Why Is It Impossible To Make A Good Fantastic Four Movie?
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The Fantastic Four has been a long sought after movie franchise that has never quite hit the mark. After several attempts at bringing the Marvel Family to the big screen, no one seems to have understood the source material and what makes the Fantastic Four so special. The series reinvented the wheel for Marvel Comics, can Marvel Studios actually produce a film that will reinvent the superhero movie?
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A family dynamic in Superhero films is possible. Look at Incredibles and Guardians of the Galaxy.
The Incredibles is a great movie I agree with you there at least I even liked the sequel although I think the first one is better.
Honestly I'd love to see the team that worked on Incredibles do a FF movie!
The Incredibles are basically a parody of the fantastic 4 anyway
@@ibrahimalee23 Not a parody but a very solid aumage.
It's actually kinda funny how the incredibles is basically just a better fantastic 4 when it comes to the movies, lol
It’s not impossible. Ever seen Incredibles?
not the same at all
@@spartida3850 Kind of is
@@spartida3850 of course its not you clown, its the idea
People don't seem to understand The Incredibles are about a Father, mother and their kids, while Fantastic Four is about A man, his wife, her brother and the man's best friend. Completely different dynamics when you really get down to it.
Also this comment isn't original and has been said a million times, but enjoy the no effort likes from a mindless group of individuals.
@@blackguyofthesouth2161 precisely! the incredibles ARE a family while the fantastic four is a found family. they’re also very thematically different and as the video points out, they have different ideological differences that must be reconciled, i love the incredibles but it doesn’t approach that aspect of being a family at all.
It should also be added that their most important villain, Dr. Doom, is remarkably difficult to sell in film. Sorcerer Supreme level mystical arts, ultra-genius level scientific mind arguably superior to Reed, master martial artist on the level of Taskmaster, and supreme leader of a country. He's utterly absurd, and any attempt to play him anything but straight with all those characteristics will fall flat. Dr. Doom has to be played with earnestness and utter sincerity in his convictions. Victor believes, KNOWS, that his way is best for the human race. And, sometimes, it seems like he might be right. He's Marvel's Lex Luthor, but far more complex. He wants to bring paradise to Earth, the same way that he did to Latveria. He's noble, cultured, and has the willpower to push through any difficulty. In another story, with different goals, he'd be the perfect hero. And in some stories, he is.
Trying to do that in a movie is... well, you can imagine it. Selling that kind of character to Hollywood executives is impossible. "What's his weakness?" "The man has an ego that, were it given physical form, would likely collapse into a black hole, except he'd keep it from doing so through raw willpower." I'd compare Dr. Doom to Death Note. The idea is so utterly stupid, completely absurd, that it should never work. But by committing to an idea fully, and exploring it completely, any idea can be utterly engrossing. But that level of commitment doesn't exist in Hollywood, because that requires faith. And getting a Hollywood studio/producer to have faith in anything requires either a madman, or a truly passionate director.
Why does Doctor Freaking Doom have to be a master martial artist? Super science and magic isn't enough for the biggest mary-sue that ever was?
The character's biggest problems for a more or less comics-accurate Doom are the Mephisto stuff and the iffy magical Romani tropes. That stuff just has to go.
But Doom is a character that is often very misunderstood, even by the people who write him. Doom likes or even needs to believe that he's honourable and noble and stuff, but when the chips are down, he proves himself to be just another asshole with powers, and worse than most.
I dont think death note is a bad idea even on paper...a young teen set on remaking the world qith a death note...kinda seems interesting even on paper
@@Carabas72 ya know who was a champion wrestler?
The problem is they’ve always rushed Doom through. That, and they decide that he must be a cheap knockoff of another popular villain rather than himself. Story’s Doom was just a less charismatic Norman Osborn. I never bothered with Fant4stic, but I assume there he was just a generic sci-fi horror monster from the looks of it.
Getting Doom right from here on out will practically require the Thanos template. Build him up in the background, introduce him to audiences over a stretch of time while the Fantastic Four deal with villains like Annihilus, Diablo, The Wizard and his Frightful Four… and after having tantalized us with bits of Doom here and there, fully unleash him on the world.
You don't need the Sorcery part either. That didn't come along until years later.
However, i think they could take a page from Spiderman and ignore the F4 origin story. It's been done too many times.
Feel like Gunn would have been a solid choice for Fantastic Four. Both of his big hero movies have focused on found family, it’s clearly something he knows how to do well. However I’d say he needs a partner as the GotG / Squad humor wouldn’t be ideal for the Four and he can get too carried away with that tone at times.
I totally agree
I see where you're coming from, yeah. I think that Gunn is most comfortable working in characters that aren't very popular, though, because that allows him a lot more creative freedom, so idk if his Fantastic Four would have been as amazing as GotG or Squad
@@averythesuperhero You've got a good point, especially with the way his recent projects have been trending towards less studio requirements and more his own ideas fully explored.
Absolutely not. He's really good, but he's too raunchy and risqué to do Fantastic Four. His sense of humor just doesn't fit.
He doesn't want to make those stories he chooses unknown properties cause he is a real comic book fan and likes to be free of studio interference and if he choose Avengers or Batman it would be studio controlled
I really liked the F4 with Chris Evans. I've rewatched it as an adult and I still like it. As far as comic book movies were back then, it's easily one of the better ones.
Jessica Alba made it good
@@AndreNitroX And Chris Evans! I really liked his take on Johnny
@@hannibalpatterson4502 yes of course
They are definitely fun if you watch them with the right mindset. To this day there are few superhero stories told through the lens of TMZ.
It had problems but it's not as bad as people make it seem.
I'm sure the MCU could do it. If they can make Ant Man cool, they can definitely do Fantastic Four!
Antman was cool before lol, i mean his powers are epic...
@@eziotheassassin701 Guardians of the Galaxy.
Ant-Man was never not cool. He just suffers from having a funny name that average audiences that don't read comics, watch shows, or do 5 minutes of basic research scoff at. Aquaman had (in some ways still has) the same problem.
@@eziotheassassin701 Antman was never cool. Fans hated when he used to abuse the wasp.
I could say the opposite with eternals
The 2004 film almost nailed the FF with the family aspect, but butchered Doom. They played up the celebrity angle a bit too much.
That was pretty much the problem with the 2004 film and its sequel, it just couldn't get the Villains right I mean look at Galactus.
I quite liked the 2005 version and its sequel - but yeah Galactus was a space cloud???, watched the 2015 some months ago - (a portal story, wait what???) somehow just didn't gel.
Unless I've caught it wrong, didn't the actual Galactus turn up in one of Avengers movies??? ......makes a change from that space cloud.
@@davidprice5563 No, Galactus was never in any Avengers movie. No Fox owned character has yet to show up.
2005
I honestly think it's pretty easy to make a F4 movie, and we do have one. It's called the Incredibles. The issue is that Fox didn't care about making a F4 film, but rather a quick cash buck to keep the rights from going back to Marvel. Now with the buyout, I'm a bit excited to see how the F4 film will do
@Antonio Hernandez Agreed I for One Did enjoy the 2005 Fantastic 4 movie as a kid I wanted to see it so badly but now with the merger and feige at the helm who knows
Incredibles is a vastly different IP from FF, with different aesthetic, characters, setting, target audience, etc.
Its definitely not easy to make a FF movie, especially if they choose to set it in modern day and connect them to the rest of the MCU.
It helps that in The Incredibles that the characters are an actual family, and that none of them is inexplicably a rock monster. FF is just too strange to sell to a mainstream audience.
@@kingsleycy3450 Too strang for a mainstream audience?! Do you know who they were targeted to in the 60s?? Amd why they kept their success and popularity for decades?!
Shitty super powers:
In Incredible: strechwoman
In F4: Rockman and strechman
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Leader:
Of Incredibles: Superman
Of F4: Stretchman
Then you wonder what's wrong with F4..
There should have been a nod to The Incredibles because that was the best version of a Fantastic 4-esque story we’ve ever seen in cinema. Everything the films got wrong, Brad Bird got right.
Then perhaps he should be hired to do this
@@AmitZinmanVideo Considering how Incredibles 2 didn't live up to the first, I don't think they should try to capture lightning in a bottle after just losing it.
It would probably end up feeling too similar in some regards.
@@iminumst7827 few films live up the first, specially 15 years later. That considered, I think they did good
@@reyrio6034 That is true, and sometimes the sequels are not only underwhelming but straight up terrible. The Incredibles 2 did okay for what it was, I just didn't like so much that it felt like a bit of a regression for the character growth and the villain's motivations were weak.
The Fantastic Four should not be an average “superhero movie” kinda the X-Men or Avengers, but mostly an adventure story (kinda Lost in Space) with the family dynamics being the priority
That's what I was thinking, more Lost in Space than anything.
Very good point, would have to agree...
"This was truly a huge step forward." cut against Reed Richards stretching to take a huge step was an editing chef's kiss. It's the little things.
The reason why the last few F4 movies failed was due to Fox hiring the wrong director's for the job. Now that Marvel have the rights again here's hoping Jon Watts will finally give us the proper F4 movie we fans rightfully deserved.
@M Curran Well said. "Impossible"? Please. Two attempts in decades, by hacks? Try a good script with good direction this time. Or do you think the Russo brothers would fail?
I have a bad feeling Jon Watts would put his spin on MCU Fantastic Four and make it nothing likel the comic, like have a diverse cast and make the film more comedy focus.
@@MERCHIODOS bro whats wrong with having a diverse cast 😭
@@harlem4942 Its because the comic didn't have any.
@@MERCHIODOS it would not change anything abt their characters i dont see the big deal
I never got the total hatred of the Tim story movies. They both are fairly decent solid movies that are entertaining enough. Far from perfect, they could have done better. But they could have done worse, and they have. I agree that the Trank version was complete crap, the the Tim story ones were more solid and entertaining then people give them credit for.
Man, I still remember that time when they said that Trank's F4 would be based on the classic Lee and Kirby stories... until they change their minds and went full Ultimate.
True even tho some aspects of it are abit goofy I can for sure say they're pretty much comicbook accurate from thier suits to the characters themselves except for doom qnd they even got the chance to introduce the silver surfer himself
People gotta remember that they were made in the early 2000’s. I say they’re absolutely golden for that day and age.
The answer is simple, especially in today's world of entertainment: Fantastic Four should be a show, not a movie.
It's too hard to do the team and a villain like Dr. Doom justice in feature length movies; their characters and chemistry is better served depicted over the span of a seasonal show and Disney+ could really do it right with the proper creative team.
Also I'm of the opinion that a FF show or movie would be better as a period piece, like if it took place in the 60's or 70's. FF is a bit outdated conceptually, so return them back to a simpler time setting.
Personally, I would've had the Fantastic Four as the unofficial successors to the Avengers in the MCU, but that's just me.
@@johnnygyro2295 wouldn't that mean no more Avengers? The Fantastic 4 are not superheroes, they're scientists who solve problems.
I've always thought the Fantastic 4 should be a period piece. I would go with 60's. But I think Mole Man should be the first villain of the movie because that way you can focus more on them as a family.
Introduce Dr Doom a different way, like in his own movie, where the villain in Maphisto or something.
@@kingmonde Mole Man is the extremely obvious way to go for a first MCU outing. It would be a dream come true if they payed homage to one of the most iconic issue #1’s in comic book history. I fully believe that by the way, considering just how much the FF changed the entire superhero comic industry forever.
@@ravenwraith1017 yes, and if it's a period piece from the 60's, they could've gotten stuck in the negative zone where they get there powers. So they disappeared in the 60's and maybe Antman accidentally finds them in Quantumania and they come back. They could buy back the original building they used in the 60's, which would be Stark Tower.
"Blood is thicker" even though half of them aren't related. It'd be weird if Sue was related to Reed, since they're married. Ben isn't related at all. Only Sue and Johnny are related. I think it's actually more about how CHOSEN family is what matters most. They chose to be a family and pretty much always stick together and have each other's backs, at least when it matters most. (Of course from time to time they've done a story where Johnny tries going off on his own or whatever but he always comes back)
Fun fact! That's what blood is thicker actually means. "The blood of covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" - the phrase means found family matters more.
Lmao you got the phrase wrong.
Look up the phrase
There's a lot of blame being put on Trank himself, when actually the first culprit we should be looking at is Fox's studio interference with the project. Barely any of his original ideas were left in the film because they had to constantly reshoot and replace entire sections of the movie to appease the studio mandates. He was confident in his vision for the movie, but he said he was ashamed by the version that ended up being released, because it wasn't his film and he knew fans wouldn't be happy with it.
Plus didn't they said in the early stages that the movie was going to be more based on the first 100 issues of the Kirby and Lee comics?
Until for some reason they changed their minds and went full Ultimate.
fox wanted a darker movie with a young cast they could use for 10 years if the movie succeded
As i always said the Fantastic four would better as a TV series. The Tim Story films were "fine" cause they captured the characters correctly (these characters were made in the 60s) but as you said they are a family drama so character development needs to be done slowly with these characters. As a series the MCU could use them better as a vehicle to showcase new universes, time times and explore the marvel universe similar to the way they have always expanded the comics.
i've seen a lot of people say a F4 movie should start after their adventures/origin. Kind of like how we haven't seen Tom Holland get bit by the spider and uncle ben die etc. Just jump in and bring the audience along for the ride.
The bridge scene in the 1st Fantastic 4 movie is so underrated, I'm specifically talking about the scene where the Thing tried to pick up his fiancée’s ring, that's still one of the most well done scene in comic book movies history
It's basically the Sandman transformation scene but better, at least that's a villain, and he did eventually picked up his daughter's photo, the Thing never managed to pick it up, and he's a good guy who got turned into this monster due to an accident
Having literally just rewatched both of the TIm Story films recently, I do think as films they are very fun and hold up pretty well. The chemistry between the team is fantastic but yeah Doom is absolutely terrible and his costume actually gets worse in the sequel and they definitely do fail to explore the crazier aspects of the story unfortunately.
The actor for doom was perfect
@Asmosis Jones the ACTOR was a solid choice. The execution of the character? Abysmal
You hit the mark bang-on. Really disappointed that there hasn't been a solid live action F4 movie, because the comics are so good! I feel like James Gunn would be a solid directing choice for an F4 movie. Both GOTG and The Suicide Squad do a great job of focusing of the familial aspects and interpersonal relationships that are associated with group dynamics. Though he would probably have to tone down the humor a bit to match the F4 tone.
I really liked the 2005 film it was the closest thing to the comics, it was fun and exciting I think the only thing I had a problem with was Dr. Doom making jokes that's about it.
They keep not emphasizing the family aspect of the Fantastic 4. Incredibles got it right just from the fact that it wasn't an origin story, so they could just introduce characters with powers and have them be a family from the start of the movie.
Bingo. That’s all they need to do. They just have to pick a good adversary and make a solid story
You're right they get stuck in trying to make an entertaining superhero story and lose focus on the fact that they are a family.
Yeah honestly Fantastic 4 as a show like the Addams Family but with more budget and more creative directing like Wandavision would work imo, with a movie coming later
The Fantastic 4 were favorites of mine, as a kid.
I also grew up with the cartoons.
At the time The first Story film was made, Studios were still trying to perfect the superhero genre.
Before the 80s, There were not many SH movies ( Other than 2 Superman films with Chris Reeve)
1989's Batman was the next big DC franchise..a great stand alone movie!
If and when the F4 is brought into the MCU
Maybe that will help it to succeed
I would love to see you tackle what you personally think is the more accurate interpretation of hulk mark,bena or Edward? Or how you would make the perfect hulk movie. Me personally believe all interpretations have aspects that would make the perfect hulk story.
If you wanted you can take the Hulk into oscar bait territory if you take him in a Logan-Esque direction with strong acting for Bruce in his self imposed isolation, maybe lean more into the fact that the he struggled with psychological problems way before the hulk, the gamma radiation just brought his anger and frustration to life as different personalties... yes plural get joe fixit in there, he is good fun
@@Firegodot that sounds pretty good actually. I would personally combine 2003 banner psychological and anger issues, 2008 lonely man and 2012 socially awkward and combine all of them into one and add the hulk and banner dynamic.
@@maxfordgaming9278 I would agree. Having actually taken the time to familiarize myself with the Hulk and his storyline, I've come to realize just how dark and tormented his stories are. I think if we took the tone of The Incredible Hulk with the introspective psychological elements brought up in Ang Lee's Hulk, we could have something quite compelling. As for the best actor, tho, I don't feel like any of them have quite nailed it, but I also particularly don't like Ruffalo's portrayal of Banner.
@@averythesuperhero I agree. I liked marks interpretation in 2012, after that it goes downhill for me.
It really simplifies things to attribute the troubles to a curse. I like to think that the cause of said curse were those that greenlit the Corman version
Fantastic Four just requires them to get creative with the Multiverse. If they stopped trying to make them modern and instead had them existing in a bizarre retro reality that gets caught up in the 'multiversal war', they could really work.
Put Brad Bird and John Byrne on as advisors. They understand what makes the team work. Look at Incredibles 1 and 2. It's about family who happen to be super-powered. They are a family of adventurers who sometimes get drawn into super-hero battles. Too bad the MCU made Tony Stark smarter than he was supposed to be. Makes it tough to show Reed as the smartest person. Modern Invisible girl's powers make her the toughest on the team which is great for MCU wokeness. And hopefully they won't forget Johnny is same age as Peter Parker and they become best of friends.
Yes! Finally some talk about fantastic four! Hope one day they’ll finally be properly portrayed on screen. The 2000s cartoon was the best.🤩
I still unironically feel that even if it wasn't a great finished product, since it kind of never was a finished product, the 1994 Fantastic Four movie is the closest we've ever gotten to an actual Fantastic Four movie. Even if the effects are very cheesy, and the audio is very poorly mixed a lot of the time, the performances in that movie (ESPECIALLY DOOM) definitely carry it.
Thank you. I think i have an idea now of how MCU would explain the absence of them so far. aside from probably not being the fantastic four yet - there's the fact that they're adventurers. you never see them in new york or wherever they are cuz they're probably busy being somewhere else
I like your coverage on the first family.
You said pretty much how I feel.
Let's hope the future will be fantastic
So what you’re saying is The Fantastic 4 needs Dom Toretto!!!
I've heard a couple proposals for a F4 movie with Molecule man as the villain. I'd love to see that, also they could set up Doctor Doom for the sequel. In my opinion this would be terrific so they could take more time to develop the character. As for the FF themselves, just try to find a cast that actually has good family chemistry, and maybe it might not hurt to let the group spend some time together before the film is actually made.
They have to be creative and stop using Doom.
This is always my argument for the FF. They're super heroes from a technical standpoint alone, they're more so adventurers. Reed doesn't really have powers, but he is the smartest person alive and scales way past Stark. The MCU sometimes has a problem where going bigger doesn't always mean it's better. Sometimes it feels crowded and you can miss the straightforward nature of going from an alien hellbent of intergalactic genocide and could just want a bad guy that's going to do something not as globally effective but much more personal for the hero.
The FF were always the team that handled scale well. Dimensions, magic and science, all were faced by a family that felt like the accident not only brought them closer together, but gave them purpose.
Another great video.
I still standby that the Roger Corman film is the best adaptation for film, so far. I hope the MCU can give us a Star Trek meets Family Drama here.
Something similar to GOTG but still has its own style and can stand on its own feet.
James Gunn has to be the perfect director for fantastic 4 family dynamic I mean look at guardians of the galaxy, we had no idea who they were and then we started liking their characters in the first movie
It can be done. The first two movies were comedy skits with a few boss fights, the last movie was as dry and lifeless as the planet they visited. They should explore a Negative Zone filled with bizarre are interesting life, similar to the Guardians of the Galaxy background characters
That shot of what's supposed to be Reed's arm waving goodbye out the roof of the limo as it drives away at 3:35 is Cring 3000!! 🤣
I'm not a filmmaker nor am I a writer but I think a Star Trekish Fantastic Four with no Dr. Doom would be great. And make comic book accurate Dr. Doom solo movie later on have the Fantastic Four take on Dr. Doom or team up against Galactus.
Agreed
Yep, just with mentions of Latveria and its creepy hooded ruler, or of Reed's former jerk college roomate that blow up the lab, stuff like that.
I have a soft spot for the Story films, though it has been a while since I last watched them. My ideal F4 film would be a family adventure film with a retro sci-fi feel. Almost like it was made in the sixties and set in what they thought today would be like.
An ode to one of the greatest comic book creations ❤️
Jon Watts is the perfect director and choice for the Fantastic Four! He did three Spider-Man films like of course Homecoming, Far From Home, and No Way Home. He made the character Peter Parker go through what every teenage kid to go through, focusing more on Peter's side of going to school and taking on responsibility for himself.
If Jon could make a superhero to come alive and pop out like Spider-Man, I think he can do the same with Fantastic Four. And yeah! they're more like a family, so I think Jon (Watts) could pull that off very well of a superhero team up, like Fantastic Four. I really like what you were getting! :D
I totally agree!
Real poetic bro, love the ending
Not sure if it’s your voice or something but your videos always make me feel like rainy days and blankets
Taking this as a compliment - thanks!
@@Nerdstalgic you definitely should! these are my comfort videos haha. sometimes I just let older ones play in the background cause it’s calming to me.
The first 2 with Cris Evans, Ian Grundruff and co was still good for that time!
But i am sure Marvels Version will be very good.
I fear if ever can get as good Wolverine like Hugh Jackman!
I know that's a weird statement but the best way I can think of to make a good fantastic four movie would be to look at X-Men First Class.
It was colourful, it's the only X-Men movie that made the yellow jumpsuits look cool so there wouldn't be a problem with fantastic four's blue jumpsuits, it had a 60s aesthetic without making it a period movie and a training montage like the one in that movie would be the perfect way to show the FF adjust to their powers.
i did learn to read with J.Kirby's FF. It still holds up
I think the 90’s corman one could have actually been the 2000 X-Men and raimi spidey before those films if they just had a large budget
It is interesting how the Fantastic 4 movies have tried to differ from the source material unsuccessfully (although my personal bias, I love the first 2000s film). A great example of differing from the source meaningfully is Iron Man. Iron Man from the comics really doesn’t give too much of a hoot about anyone but himself. But Robert Downey Jr.’s Iron Man has a story arc. He has a family. He has a wildly different sense of self and values than the original comic book character. And you know what? It works! To great success. It’s honestly difficult to imagine the Iron Man and Avengers movies without the version of the character we see. What’s difficult about Fantastic 4 is… the differences from the comics do not meaningfully contribute to the story. And while I like the character in the movies, Dr. Doom is probably the biggest failing of all F4 films so far. He will be a huge challenge for Marvel to adapt to the big screen, but I’m excited to see how they do it.
Oh yes Comic Tony was a asshole and in Civil war comics he a 100% villian and betrayled Peter and his friend and sell them out.
I like the RDJ Version aclot he was cool but nice and good mentor for peter and he care...
This Tony only wants piece and want good i like that the do cival differnt and peters Civial War Arc of Comic wa used a little for No Way Home!
Doom would be hard but i personally like the 2000 Films and think this was okay for that time!
Best Villian ever Willam Dafoe as Green Goblin they will never top!
0:17 Yo! Ray Holt whatcha doing there?
2:23 I appreciate the huge step forward
I think a big part of the problem too is that there has been no way in the past to do Thing or Reed without looking stupid with awful special effects, and then when effects are finally good enough we get an awful script. I have faith in the Watts adaptation.
I hope that when whoever disney picks for Mr fantastic in the mcu (if they haven't picked someone already) isn't too young. Someone who could realistically have silver streaks in his hair, and not a guy who looks fresh out of high-school like in fant4stic.
The only member of the F4 that needs to be young...ish is Johnny, so they can do the whole bromance of him with Peter/Spidey.
patrick wilson is my favorite fan-cast for Reed.
Well done, man. thanks.
the Fantastic 4 are my favorite Marvel heroes/property, I am hopeful that we can get a good movie someday. I love that their dynamics, the reason Reed never had them adopt secret identities, the larger than life interdimensional adventures. Guardians of the Galaxy are the closest the MCU has gotten to what I look for in a FF film... here's hoping.
They also barely touched on the Thor/Hulk rivalry in Avengers too. Imagine the 3way rivalry between the Hulk, The Thing and Thor. Each at one time or another if memory serves correctly would duke it out for who was stronger.
I actually think F4 as body horror is an interesting take, but it definitely wasn't the move at the time, and it needed a much better execution to work in any sense.
They're pretty much a young super-powered soldiers that goes on missions for the government
I think it’s the fear of making something grounded but also realizing the absurd and having fun with it. It’s a balance of fun without being camp and grounded without being joyless.
Well that last one that went through all kinds of production hell.
I personally liked the Tim Story movies. I mean they weren't perfect, but neither was Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy. For their time, both franchises felt like homey and engaging superhero stories on big screen feature-length films BEFORE that kind of thing got totally over-saturated by the MCU.
I genuinely believe Tim would've gotten a third movie if he didn't decide to make Galactus into a f'kin cloud in the sequel.
That was then Fox CEO Tom Rothman who decided to make Galactus a cloud. He also cancelled Firefly and sewed Deadpool's mouth shut in X Men Origins: Wolverine.
The moment they announced Jon Watts as director, I felt the movie was doomed. But coming off of No Way Home, my confidence has risen. I trust Marvel with their decisions.
Why did you think that in first place, he has three great movies before that
Now he left the project
@@jacobharris954 Debatable.
@@alexanderm.635 I’m again worried about where it’s gonna go but they’ve said they’re looking for a big-shot director to take it over, so I can see it turning out even better than whatever Jon Watts would have done.
@@ParzivalTheThird yeah agreed
I am suddenly picturing the Fantastic Four doing something fun with the song "We Are Family" in the background!
From what you said, i think F4 would really works as a series for starters, and after their backstorys family dynamics were established, near the end of the series they could start introducing doom and then make a movie to finish working on his arc
I like the Tim Story films and I own a lot of related media to them. Fant4stic’s failure made the previous films stand out.
The body horror element was the only good part of Trank’s film, not sure why that was the takeaway here. Sure the whole thing shouldn’t be Videodrome, but having these characters experience a shared trauma could be used as a great foundation in the right hands.
The FF was originally a horror story. Reed caused it by cutting corners and breaking rules.
Which is funny because he keeps getting treated in movies as an innocent nice guy instead of a doucchebag who screwed his friends over and is ready to do it again at a moment's notice for SCIENCE!!!!^TM
Great video!
I quite like the 2000s fantastic four movies Chris Evans was great as the Human Torch and Michael Chiklis was great as the thing
The main problem is that they are ALWAYS against Dr. Doom
i dont think them facing a top 10 level villain is a problem its how poorly said villain has been done thats the problem
Doom needs to be built up too
While I like Dr. Doom a lot, I wouldn't mind seeing an F4 film with a different villain!
@@ChicCanyon I think it is a problem. With doom as the villain, the movie ends up being rushed. Rather than have the focus on the fantastic 4. The focus then turns to doom, and building up his arc, and then rushing to put him as the big bad, and make him so powerful.
@@OscarASevilla so the film shouldnt have an antagonist? i dont follow. the issue youre describing isnt about doom at all.
John wats has a good track record if you watched the spiderman home trilogy. Both Mysterio and Vulture are pretty difficult to make a full live action but somehow John wats managed to pull off. He'll usually changed things but still retain the original things that make those characters unique.
Has zero originality and thank god he's out now
You honestly said it perfectly how the stories have always focused on trying to follow the generic superhero algorithm rather than highlighting the uniqueness that comes from a group made up of space traveling nerds. I feel like the rise in popularity of DnD (which isn't typically thought of as space and scifi but has lots of translations/sibling modules) can really give a scifi adventure film that the band has needed all along
The Incredibles is a good FF movie, so clearly not impossible.
It’s not. We have The Incredibles
I was very excited for the Trank version and was then let down when it came out. Watched it again about a month ago with no expectations and it wasn't the worst thing. Almost fit into the current MCU storylines even.
Found family is really popular in the fanfic universe. I think it’d be really great to see it on screen, esp with F4 who is supposed to be that at their core.
F4 Earths Greatest Heroes was the best.
That's the anime-looking series right?
The one where Ben has a 4 graffiti sprayed on his chest?
It ain't impossible, both 2000s films were actually good.
No they are not
Yes they are, it is actually more faithful than the awful 2015 reboot, also its from 2000s, best era for everything and i can rewatch both films all the time without getting bored.
@@pchtommy1268 being better then something horrible doesn't automatically make it good
yes it does, they are the only good ones in the entire category, right next to The Incredibles
@@pchtommy1268 they might be okay movies but they're not good fantastic four movies
Muito bom. Uma boa perspectiva
You forgot about the play Tobias made in Arrested Development
I didn't really care for the F4 that much, cool abilities, but kinda lame imo. What I REALLY want is for them to finally make a good live action Dr. Doom, he's my favorite Marvel villain and it really sucks to see how they massacred my boy.
4th times the charm
Hopefully (underrated comment btw)
So that 90s movie that never got released to theaters doesn't count at all?
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 well yeah
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 he could have counted the 2000 ones as the same thing as they are the same cast if ygm
Well, we'll get some sort of Reed tease in May. I hope we get the MCU Fan4 by 2026, announced this summer. There's a ton they can do with them the previous films can't. Just don't make them time travelers or something silly. Heck, a SWORD partnership makes perfect sense.
Make Reed the lead scientist/astronaut; Ben the former USAF/NASA pilot; Sue a combination of Amy Ross (NASA) and Dava Newman (MIT) as a suit designer; and Johnny the cocky gifted intern. Partner the Future Foundation (funded by Doom) with SWORD in a SpaceX style venture.
I like how the 94 movie depicted how they got their powers. I like the personalities of the mid 2000s and i like how sue and johnny were mixed family dynamics and sue is so weak cause she didn’t actually go through.
Maybe try it like the resent Lost in Space…but with the Fantastic Four.
Funy what you said about what makes the family sounds a lot like the dynamic of rebels and the ghost crew
I legitimately believe that with how much the MCU, especially these days loves to add elements of comedies i to the films, I think MCU Fantastic Four whenever that happens will essentially be a superhero sitcom, which wouldn’t be a bad way to go about it.
With all the hype surrounding John Krazinski as Mr. Fantastic, do you think he could direct/produce a Fantastic FF Movie?
He did the Quiet Place, which centers around a family.
Both iterations of live action Fantastic 4(2005 and 2015) had great 1st halves......they drop the ball when it comes to the villain and the 3rd act
0:16 Is this possible, Capitan Holt is that you?
I love this analysis as much as I love Spider-Man and mcu i couldn’t find my way to respect or enjoy mcu’s Spider-Man. You basically put the words together, he wasn’t really Spider-Man yet. I really enjoyed No way home
But loved the way you broke it down
Nice video but wish it kept going- like the difficulty to make a serious movie with the thing as a main character, and the film would have to make a world where they exist- vs other super heroes that hide with secret identities. Mcu will work cause the reality that some people have powers is already set, so they don’t have to do a full origin story to explain their existence.
Stan Lee was doing the interrelationship side of the comic. He said in an interview he was fed up with his job (not Fantastic Four, just his assignments up until then) and was talking to his wife, Joan,and decided he wanted to quit after the newest comic. Joan told Stan if we was going to quit, he may as well do a comic the way he wanted to for his last assignment. Stan said that’s the best advice he ever received an just wrote the Fantastic Four as a bickering New York family that loved each other through and through but had so many issues whenever they weren’t fighting whatever Kirby cooked up for them to fight, they were being pains in each-others’ super-butts. But the staff and readers loved it so much, Stan was given near complete creative control of his comics, stayed and the rest is history.
Sadly Joan is no longer with us and Stan as returned to whatever cosmic force dropped him here on earth, so there is no one with any creative control over the movie rites willing to embrace that concept. But you can all thank Joan Lee for acting as the muse for Marvel’s First Family.
0:17 genuinely thought this clip segment was pulled from a Brooklyn 99 episode
0:19 "Wait, when was the Fantastic Four on Brooklyn Nine-Nine?!"
Can y'all do a video about cold opens please 🥺🙏🏽
Dude,you are correct!!🎯💯👍🏻😁
The fact that Stan lee never saw the fantastic four adapted that was faithfully adapted to his creation
I love these characters - plus I love their villains: Doctor Doom and Super Skrull
I don't think it's impossible to make a good Fantastic Four movie, you just need a solid cast, a good story and script with a director that stays completely faithful to the source material but keeps it fresh. As a huge fan of the FF, it really saddens me that they still can't get it right after all these years, they deserve a classic movie on the big screen, they're long overdue now. I'm really hopeful that the MCU can get the job done and do true justice to comic book's first family.
Half of Ben Grimm's character actually is him being upset that he's a rock person