Played in a dimly lit barn in Wyoming that didn't have painted ice as a kid, got absolutely lit up as a goalie in that game lol. Absolutely impossible to track the puck on dark brown ice.
That's also why hockey started the rule (subsequently copied by most other sports leagues) that each team must have two jerseys, one primarily white and one primarily a dark color, designating them as "home" and "road" jerseys. The system was set up so that the opposing jerseys would always contrast well on black-and-white TVs.
Honestly didn't know the neutral zone shrunk in 05-06. I was watching hockey by then but was only like 8yrs old, so I guess that's something I just didn't catch. Pretty cool to learn something new! Also insane that 2 line passing wasn't allowed until after 2000.... probably one of the most impactful rule changes of modern hockey.
A bunch of rules came in that year to speed up the game. Or, rather, allow the natural speed of the game to show up. Hurry up faceoffs, no line changes during stoppages(puck over the glass, etc) and penalty for purposely flipping the puck over the glass. I'm looking at you, Patrick Roy, Dominik Hasek, Ed Belfour et. al. This was the year that games went from almost 4 hours back down to 3 and eventually where we are at now. Ken Hitchcock advocated for these rule changes which is hilarious: the Stars, under him, were the biggest abusers of these game slowing techniques. These rule changes effectively ruined him and Bowman as coaches. Hell, any coach that ran the trap was ruined.
@@jimmybilly3336 good point! ironically, there's nothing stopping trap coaches in the modern game, you just need a much faster roster to pull it off now
@@jimmybilly3336bowman retired before it really affected his coaching though. He won a cup in 2001-2002 in detroit then instantly retired so the rules never affected him.
The face off anywhere concept in the two attack zones was scary as heck when I officiated in the early 80s. Hard to find your way back to the “safety” of the boards, particularly in the days where your only gear might be a can and shin pads.
Great history lesson! I can't believe it was only 05-06 when they took out the two line pass rule. It feels like much longer. Definitely made the game better.
Great video, it brings me back to the good old days. Prior to the 1984 season, when I attended some games, I used to enjoy watching the linesmen remove the goal by lifting it up and moving it to one side. Then one of them would take a tool out of his pocket and remove the metal posts that were screwed into the concrete below the ice. They would wait until the Zamboni came by the middle section of the ice and then reverse the procedure: screw the metal posts back in, and replace the goal. They would then skate down to the other end and repeat it. It was fun to watch during the intermissions, something you never saw on TV.
I remember being confused when I first heard that the two-line pass rule was originally created to increase scoring, and then it was later (effectively) removed to increase scoring. Correct me if I am wrong here, but my current understanding is that before the two-line pass rule was added, the rule was that you couldn't pass across any line. Therefore, you always had to head-man the puck at your own blue line, the red line, and the opposition blue line. So the new rule was that you could now pass across a line, just not across two lines in the same pass. That would then make sense as a rule change for more offense. I even think that at some point before the one-line pass rule, there was a time when no forward passing was allowed at all, which I think would have made for a much less interesting game.
The 2 line pass also included passing from behind your end's red line to over your blue line...btw..in the PWHL's Boston (New Lowell) rink, the nets are further from the end boards...
A few things to expand on maybe. The trapezoid. Glass technology & boards that give. Also what are the rules for an expansion team trying to get in the nhl, what does the rink need?
The ice surface at the old Boston Garden was 191 feet by 83, rather than 200 by 85. The neutral zone was reduced in width by 9 feet. How have I not noticed that the neutral zone for all NHL rinks has shrunk from 60 to 50 feet since 1990? I would love for the NHL to use the wider international ice surface, but the owners would not like the construction costs and permanently losing expensive seats at ice level.
@@dumdawgpro I remember "The Aud." Couldn't tell you what's the corporate name of the new building. In Boston, when the new arena was called the Fleet Center, many fans still called it "The Garden."
@@yoholmes273 I suspect tradition and high salaries have more to do with the NHL attracting elite talent. I enjoy physical play as much as the next fan. The last time I was as frustrated watching hockey as I have been these playoffs was during the Dead Puck Era, with all that clutching and grabbing. Today's players are fantastic skaters and gifted with the hand-eye coordination to knock down passes. It feels like the team playing defense has an extra skater at all times. Teams struggle to exit their zone and make passes in the neutral zone. As for gaining the offensive zone with possession, forget it. You have to dump-and-chase, and likely fail. The puck is constantly changing possession. I imagine that on the larger ice surface, the extra space would allow more plays to be made. The games might actually be more exciting to watch.
I’d absolutely remove the trapezoid, but I’m also a goalie who had to endure it getting added to my rink while I was still playing minor hockey, so I hated that thing.
One of the Howe's Mark impaled( himself lost 3 pints of blood , got that finally taken out Yzerman hurt his knee really bad hitting the post, was done for season( 50th goal) but might have ended his career early but it was the magnets so there was give otherwise Det misses out on a few cups
The coloring was too obnoxious and many fans turned against it. Within a few years they had figured it out and toned it down, so there was just a bright highlight on the puck rather than an obnoxious dark color, and it only appeared when the puck was moving over a certain speed or hidden behind the near boards. But it took too long to get to that point, and by then the "glowing puck" had become the source of too much ridicule, so eventually keeping it was simply more trouble than it was worth.
In a way, the size of the neutral zone changes multiple times per game. A puck is considered to be in the neutral zone until the entire puck crosses the entire blue line (as the attacking team), but the puck is considered to be in the attacking zone until the entire puck crosses the entire blue line in the other direction. Effectively, the neutral zone increases/decreases by a foot (the width of the blue line) depending on whether you’re entering or leaving the zone. Pedantic and trivial, admittedly.
Old enough to recall when 2 line passes weren't allowed. Yep, and dinosaurs used to regularly roam outside the rinks. In the old IHL, most of the rinks had criss crossed wire around the rink to keep the puck from hitting the audience - no plexiglass back then. During scrums it was popular to try to create a 'waffle face' by pushing your opponents head into those wire fences above the boards. You could also easily splash beer on the visiting team through the wire. Well maybe some fans did that, but I never did...well, maybe only occasionally....during most games..... ;-)
I remember when the magnetic posts came in. Before that I was surprised when a forward went into those things with his back, that his back didn't snap in two! Remember lots of players getting injured from that.
The one change I would make to the ice is the red line. They need to stop having the ling cut through the team's only logo that's on the ice. If you're going to have a bunch of ads, real or digital, they need to stop cutting the logo in half Edit: I've seen it in some preseason games where they have two thin red lines going over the center logo. I'll be fine with that.
I like Ken Daniels idea of the blue line rule being that if the puck has to be on the blue line or passed to not count as off sides to get rid of the ridiculous offside reviews.
Yeah, they definitely need to fix that blue line issue. I absolutely hate these offside calls when the puck is in the NZ behind the blue line, but the player has ONE SKATE, intermittent movement even, straddling the blue line and the play either gets blown dead - or even more insidiously - play continues for half an hour in the O-zone, then after a score, the smirking coach from the team that got scored on calls for a challenge, and everything that happened during that interval gets nullified. And the team that scored gets PO'd, and rightfully so. Then the dynamics of the game often change due to the psychological effect of that "get out of jail free" card. If it's offside, call it. Five seconds. No more. If it doesn't get called, consider it waived off. And change the bloody rule to specify that the player must have TWO SKATES over the blue line opposite the puck to be called offside. Oh, and send defensive players to the box for deliberately pushing attackers into their own goalie to get an interference call. It's complete BS...
How about those small rinks especially MSG(3),the Boston garden, Chicago (tiny) Detroit (strange shaped small, too.) The Aud, and the Igloo which was a true outlier in that it was larger. How was the size of the neutral zone governed in the small rinks?
Cobo hall in Detroit was a great place to see a game. I always remember how 'stacked' the seating was. You were almost looking down at the top of the head of the person sitting in front of you. Not an obstructed seat in the house, at least not where I used to sit.
Before I started watching hockey regularly, I was occasionally confused by the white ice as opposed to NHL 94’s blue. Being five years old is funny sometimes.
Wasnt the inside of the net painted blue for some of the years in the 90s, same colour as the crease? Did they go away from the white for a brief moment?
You are missing one last change, I think it was in either 2010-2011 or 2011-2012, the same year when they pushed the goal line back to increase wrap-around chances, they increased the width of the blue line by a few inches. I think they used to be 8 inches wide, now they are 12.
I'd like to test the blue lines being larger and or just moved closer by a foot or up to three to their respective goal lines. Meaning the neutral zone is 2-5' larger. Would be an interesting change, I'm sure someone has tried it
The red line also happened because with WW2 some players who weren’t in the military (health reasons) like Max Bentley dominated the AHL callups who filled in for the men in uniform overseas. It opened the game up of necessity.
Awesome. Didn't know most of this. I still can't believe that the two-line pass was INTRODUCED to increase offense. It seems to be an inherently defensive rule. Anyway, if I could introduce a rule, I would make it so the even if a team scores on a delayed penalty, they still get the powerplay afterword. Same with a penalty shot. If a penalty shot is awarded, it should not replace a powerplay, it should precede the powerplay, even if the goal is scored.
I'd like an 18" red band around the outside of the crease to act like a zone to simplify the goaltending interference review calls. If a player is in the red zone and makes contact with the goalie who is fully within the blue part of his crease, the goal is disallowed. If contact occurs but the player is outside that red band or the goalie is past his blue paint, the goal is allowed. I'd make the crease a full half circle again instead of cutting them square at the posts. The NHL would of course test different sizes for these zones to see what measurements work best to make sure they allow the goalie the room necessary to make saves properly and players to still make plays.
Once per season they should play a Pond Hockey Classic. Even if it's just an exhibition and doesn't count towards the season, I bet the ratings would be amazing!
Was at a saddledome game oilers vs flames wayne Gretzky slapper tipped hits a woman in the stands....later on 2002 after the tragic death of a fan they put the nets above the end boards
There is an article in one of The Hockey News issues of proposing to enlarge the red and bluelines to 6 feet wide each to artificially expand the ice without removing the first few rows of seats in the arena Looked pretty legit
I don't think I'd want a full NHL season with it, but I'd kill to see the two line pass brought back, and offsides eliminated. Maybe in some tournament, maybe in a preseason, just for the chaos, but to eliminate the cherry picking if it's on the FULL other side of the rink.
Speaking of history, how about "great broadcasters of yesteryear". play-by-play guys, color guys and duos? The Big Whistle doing Ranger games made me a fan. And who doesn't love Don Cherry?
Speaking as a fan of a team with 2 goalies that are good puck handlers, give the goalies more freedom handling the puck. Considering the number of goalies who aren’t as good at that as they think they are, it’d probably increase scoring for a bit
When were the circles added? And also, do you remember in the 70's there were games where players loafed A LOT. The incentive to play hard was not there.
@@angushiltz4880 Yes, but where is the "History" of that existence.....been there from Day 1? Added in 1946 after the War? Included after the introduction of Video Review?
Well remember before that you couldn't make a forward pass in the defensive zone. Only in the neutral zone. So basically they just opened up half the ice to forward passes.
Remember when goalies would complain when magnets first came in less about easily bumped off but players driving the net taking the goalies and the net off its moorings
All these changes to increase scoring, why doesn't the NHL recognize the huge increase in goalie size and make the net longer and higher. A minor increase in size in each dimension would result in quite a larger area for shooters.
How about widening the rinks to international level? I find 4 on 4 much more fun to watch because of the open space so widening the rink would create that with 5 players.
I appreciate this sentiment, but it would be virtually impossible to retrofit thirty two different arenas by widening the playing surface. You'd have to remove two or three rows of seating which are usually built on giant blocks of concrete. Then your first row of seating would be way above ice level with no way that I can think of to lower all the seats back down to the ice. It's a nightmare. :(
the only change i'd make is to move to the international dimensions... when guys were smaller and wore gear that was smaller... NHL rinks looked large... but now.. you get 11 guys on the ice and it don't look thab big anymore..
Many people like this idea, myself included, but it'll never happen because of the time and money it would take to rebuild every arena. Plus you'd lose about two row of the best seats in the house. (And most expensive seats) To lower all the seating back to ice level after a retrofit like that is pretty much impossible.
@@JohannesJanssen4 Oh, I'm aware of that... still, it would open the game up more. Watching games during the olympics in europe or Asia has shown it to be more exciting... but yeah, I can't see NHL owners making the move to eliminate some of the more expensive seats.. moving the seats down could be done easier by raising the rink instead.. still, I agree it's been debated for 30 years... I don't expect it to happen. But that wasn't part of the question either.
@@JohannesJanssen4 Seems to me that most o the lower bowls are all below ground level anyway... Just seems like if you're going to raise the bottom of the bowl or lower your seats... the former seems easier... Not that it matters.. I can't see NHL teams allowing that change to happen in the NHL's lifetime. The only way I could see them doing it is like when they standardized the rinks in late 70's/80's.. when new builds had to conform. I know my teams arena in those days was actually a tad bit undersized and it was called a home rink advantange (don't think it was but who knows).. so you grandfather the current ones but new builds have to accomodate the larger ice.
@@ronpeacock9939 I don't know man, I did some quick math and the numbers are crazy! Conservatively, you'd need more than 1800 cubic meters of concrete to raise the slab beneath the ice by only one meter, which weighs about 4350 tonnes. That's almost 9.7 million extra pounds added! I hope the arena is built on some crazy solid ground, to say nothing of the city utility and sewers systems underneath getting crushed. If the rink has a basement/service tunnels below then forget it! Otherwise, like you said it's the weird situation where some of the games are played at arenas with different dimensions while they wait for the rest to catch up/be built. Total chaos! Now I'm thinking it's just easier to watch Olympic hockey for that size rink...
I remarked on another similar comment, as much as I like this idea, it's pretty much impossible to retrofit all the different arenas to accomodate this change. Way too many things have to be torn out and rebuilt for it to be viable. It's a dream that becomes a nightmare when you try to implement it, unfortunately.
@@JohannesJanssen4 I also dont think it would make the game more interesting to watch because skaters have so much more room to maneuver and pass... faster players become more valuable, physical play sees reduction and there will be less deking required. A smaller rink forces players to have better stick handling and deking skills to get past the defense... and everyone loves seeing star players deke their way around defense!
Goalies, along with their equipment, have become so damn large that scoring has become a near impossibility against a goalie who is at the top of their game. As such, I would like to see nets enlarged.
Bring back full 2 min penalties, blue lines should be bigger and red lines should be smaller. Trapezoids should stay since it will result in more clearings than give aways
God the 2 line pass was such a dumb rule imo. If you can’t pass to someone beyond the red line but not in the offensive zone then the blue line should’ve had no effect of the play being offside or not. Being pretty much called offside in the neutral zone was dumb and I’m glad they got rid of that rule.
If you have and enforce the goal crease as the goalie's area where he is not allowed to even be touched.....then he needs to be treated as a regular player when he leaves that area.
Can't go out tonight babe . Hockey guy just dropped his ice surface video
Played in a dimly lit barn in Wyoming that didn't have painted ice as a kid, got absolutely lit up as a goalie in that game lol. Absolutely impossible to track the puck on dark brown ice.
it’s usually grey concrete on newer rinks from what i understand
Its fascinating how many things were done to optimize the broadcasts. Like the red and blue line demarcation because of black and white TVs.
That's also why hockey started the rule (subsequently copied by most other sports leagues) that each team must have two jerseys, one primarily white and one primarily a dark color, designating them as "home" and "road" jerseys. The system was set up so that the opposing jerseys would always contrast well on black-and-white TVs.
Honestly didn't know the neutral zone shrunk in 05-06. I was watching hockey by then but was only like 8yrs old, so I guess that's something I just didn't catch. Pretty cool to learn something new!
Also insane that 2 line passing wasn't allowed until after 2000.... probably one of the most impactful rule changes of modern hockey.
A bunch of rules came in that year to speed up the game. Or, rather, allow the natural speed of the game to show up. Hurry up faceoffs, no line changes during stoppages(puck over the glass, etc) and penalty for purposely flipping the puck over the glass. I'm looking at you, Patrick Roy, Dominik Hasek, Ed Belfour et. al.
This was the year that games went from almost 4 hours back down to 3 and eventually where we are at now. Ken Hitchcock advocated for these rule changes which is hilarious: the Stars, under him, were the biggest abusers of these game slowing techniques. These rule changes effectively ruined him and Bowman as coaches. Hell, any coach that ran the trap was ruined.
@@jimmybilly3336 good point! ironically, there's nothing stopping trap coaches in the modern game, you just need a much faster roster to pull it off now
Imagine how brutal the panther’s forecheck would be without 2 line passing
@@jimmybilly3336bowman retired before it really affected his coaching though. He won a cup in 2001-2002 in detroit then instantly retired so the rules never affected him.
@@JarradBruessel32 thanks bud! I knew he retired but thought it was the year after the rules. I appreciate ya
The face off anywhere concept in the two attack zones was scary as heck when I officiated in the early 80s. Hard to find your way back to the “safety” of the boards, particularly in the days where your only gear might be a can and shin pads.
Great history lesson! I can't believe it was only 05-06 when they took out the two line pass rule. It feels like much longer. Definitely made the game better.
Great video, it brings me back to the good old days. Prior to the 1984 season, when I attended some games, I used to enjoy watching the linesmen remove the goal by lifting it up and moving it to one side. Then one of them would take a tool out of his pocket and remove the metal posts that were screwed into the concrete below the ice. They would wait until the Zamboni came by the middle section of the ice and then reverse the procedure: screw the metal posts back in, and replace the goal. They would then skate down to the other end and repeat it. It was fun to watch during the intermissions, something you never saw on TV.
This guy is awesome I hope he gets up to 500k subs. That difference for red line and blue line for colorblind folk. Thats a great idea
Go Avs Go
I remember being confused when I first heard that the two-line pass rule was originally created to increase scoring, and then it was later (effectively) removed to increase scoring.
Correct me if I am wrong here, but my current understanding is that before the two-line pass rule was added, the rule was that you couldn't pass across any line. Therefore, you always had to head-man the puck at your own blue line, the red line, and the opposition blue line. So the new rule was that you could now pass across a line, just not across two lines in the same pass. That would then make sense as a rule change for more offense.
I even think that at some point before the one-line pass rule, there was a time when no forward passing was allowed at all, which I think would have made for a much less interesting game.
Just wanted to say that I really enjoy these history videos. I've learned a ton from this channel!
Love these history vids
The 2 line pass also included passing from behind your end's red line to over your blue line...btw..in the PWHL's Boston (New Lowell) rink, the nets are further from the end boards...
Get rid of the Trapezoid already
That's Marty's fault
@@mokgable Doesn't matter. The trapezoid shouldn't exist.
Explain
I agree get rid of it
@@stlfatman I agree. Yell at Marty then lol
Nice, a new upload as soon as I come over to the channel
A few things to expand on maybe. The trapezoid. Glass technology & boards that give. Also what are the rules for an expansion team trying to get in the nhl, what does the rink need?
Great video, as always. Thank you
The ice surface at the old Boston Garden was 191 feet by 83, rather than 200 by 85. The neutral zone was reduced in width by 9 feet. How have I not noticed that the neutral zone for all NHL rinks has shrunk from 60 to 50 feet since 1990? I would love for the NHL to use the wider international ice surface, but the owners would not like the construction costs and permanently losing expensive seats at ice level.
Chicago Stadium was also smaller than regulation.
same with buffalos arena
@@dumdawgpro I remember "The Aud." Couldn't tell you what's the corporate name of the new building. In Boston, when the new arena was called the Fleet Center, many fans still called it "The Garden."
International ice surface STINKS.
There is a reason North America professional hockey is the cream of the crop.
Smaller rinks and more physical play.
@@yoholmes273 I suspect tradition and high salaries have more to do with the NHL attracting elite talent. I enjoy physical play as much as the next fan. The last time I was as frustrated watching hockey as I have been these playoffs was during the Dead Puck Era, with all that clutching and grabbing. Today's players are fantastic skaters and gifted with the hand-eye coordination to knock down passes. It feels like the team playing defense has an extra skater at all times. Teams struggle to exit their zone and make passes in the neutral zone. As for gaining the offensive zone with possession, forget it. You have to dump-and-chase, and likely fail. The puck is constantly changing possession. I imagine that on the larger ice surface, the extra space would allow more plays to be made. The games might actually be more exciting to watch.
I’d absolutely remove the trapezoid, but I’m also a goalie who had to endure it getting added to my rink while I was still playing minor hockey, so I hated that thing.
In rec hockey there's always a goalie who can stickhandle to center ice, deke everybody and make perfect passes
That might be one of the best looking thumbnails right there, feels like its in 16k
You did not mention the shape of the net change.The old net with the center skewer caused a lot of damage when sliding into the net.
One of the Howe's Mark impaled( himself lost 3 pints of blood , got that finally taken out
Yzerman hurt his knee really bad hitting the post, was done for season( 50th goal) but might have ended his career early but it was the magnets so there was give otherwise Det misses out on a few cups
Oh goodness me this is a TREMENDOUS topic. Always appreciate hockey history Shannon!
now THIS is a topic
I remember when they used special effects and placed a blue halo around the puck to make it easier for non hockey fans to be able to follow it.
The coloring was too obnoxious and many fans turned against it. Within a few years they had figured it out and toned it down, so there was just a bright highlight on the puck rather than an obnoxious dark color, and it only appeared when the puck was moving over a certain speed or hidden behind the near boards. But it took too long to get to that point, and by then the "glowing puck" had become the source of too much ridicule, so eventually keeping it was simply more trouble than it was worth.
In a way, the size of the neutral zone changes multiple times per game. A puck is considered to be in the neutral zone until the entire puck crosses the entire blue line (as the attacking team), but the puck is considered to be in the attacking zone until the entire puck crosses the entire blue line in the other direction. Effectively, the neutral zone increases/decreases by a foot (the width of the blue line) depending on whether you’re entering or leaving the zone. Pedantic and trivial, admittedly.
But you’re soooooo good at it!
Old enough to recall when 2 line passes weren't allowed. Yep, and dinosaurs used to regularly roam outside the rinks. In the old IHL, most of the rinks had criss crossed wire around the rink to keep the puck from hitting the audience - no plexiglass back then. During scrums it was popular to try to create a 'waffle face' by pushing your opponents head into those wire fences above the boards. You could also easily splash beer on the visiting team through the wire. Well maybe some fans did that, but I never did...well, maybe only occasionally....during most games..... ;-)
I remember when the magnetic posts came in. Before that I was surprised when a forward went into those things with his back, that his back didn't snap in two! Remember lots of players getting injured from that.
Best rule change was the elimination of the two line pass - really opened up stuff!!
I would like to see rink size the same as international ice. Yikes!
Interesting stuff!
The one change I would make to the ice is the red line. They need to stop having the ling cut through the team's only logo that's on the ice. If you're going to have a bunch of ads, real or digital, they need to stop cutting the logo in half
Edit: I've seen it in some preseason games where they have two thin red lines going over the center logo. I'll be fine with that.
I like Ken Daniels idea of the blue line rule being that if the puck has to be on the blue line or passed to not count as off sides to get rid of the ridiculous offside reviews.
Yesterday I saw a video replay in a high school baseball game. My mind was blown.
Yeah, they definitely need to fix that blue line issue. I absolutely hate these offside calls when the puck is in the NZ behind the blue line, but the player has ONE SKATE, intermittent movement even, straddling the blue line and the play either gets blown dead - or even more insidiously - play continues for half an hour in the O-zone, then after a score, the smirking coach from the team that got scored on calls for a challenge, and everything that happened during that interval gets nullified. And the team that scored gets PO'd, and rightfully so. Then the dynamics of the game often change due to the psychological effect of that "get out of jail free" card. If it's offside, call it. Five seconds. No more. If it doesn't get called, consider it waived off. And change the bloody rule to specify that the player must have TWO SKATES over the blue line opposite the puck to be called offside. Oh, and send defensive players to the box for deliberately pushing attackers into their own goalie to get an interference call. It's complete BS...
If I really enjoy videos like this one, does that make me an official Hockey Nerd?
How about those small rinks especially MSG(3),the Boston garden, Chicago (tiny) Detroit (strange shaped small, too.) The Aud, and the Igloo which was a true outlier in that it was larger. How was the size of the neutral zone governed in the small rinks?
Cobo hall in Detroit was a great place to see a game. I always remember how 'stacked' the seating was. You were almost looking down at the top of the head of the person sitting in front of you. Not an obstructed seat in the house, at least not where I used to sit.
Goal line 10 feet from end boards, blue lines 30 feet from red line, offensive zone is whatever is left
So Olympic hockey was first added in 1920, curious why their Olympic rinks and measurements were so different than the "established" game of hockey.
Before I started watching hockey regularly, I was occasionally confused by the white ice as opposed to NHL 94’s blue. Being five years old is funny sometimes.
Wasnt the inside of the net painted blue for some of the years in the 90s, same colour as the crease? Did they go away from the white for a brief moment?
Yeah, very briefly and it was a terrible idea.
You are missing one last change, I think it was in either 2010-2011 or 2011-2012, the same year when they pushed the goal line back to increase wrap-around chances, they increased the width of the blue line by a few inches. I think they used to be 8 inches wide, now they are 12.
I'd like to test the blue lines being larger and or just moved closer by a foot or up to three to their respective goal lines. Meaning the neutral zone is 2-5' larger. Would be an interesting change, I'm sure someone has tried it
When did the goal nets change from B to D in shape ?
I was born in 2028 so this is all news to me. Thanks for keeping me updated!
The red line also happened because with WW2 some players who weren’t in the military (health reasons) like Max Bentley dominated the AHL callups who filled in for the men in uniform overseas.
It opened the game up of necessity.
Awesome. Didn't know most of this. I still can't believe that the two-line pass was INTRODUCED to increase offense. It seems to be an inherently defensive rule. Anyway, if I could introduce a rule, I would make it so the even if a team scores on a delayed penalty, they still get the powerplay afterword. Same with a penalty shot. If a penalty shot is awarded, it should not replace a powerplay, it should precede the powerplay, even if the goal is scored.
I'd like an 18" red band around the outside of the crease to act like a zone to simplify the goaltending interference review calls.
If a player is in the red zone and makes contact with the goalie who is fully within the blue part of his crease, the goal is disallowed. If contact occurs but the player is outside that red band or the goalie is past his blue paint, the goal is allowed.
I'd make the crease a full half circle again instead of cutting them square at the posts.
The NHL would of course test different sizes for these zones to see what measurements work best to make sure they allow the goalie the room necessary to make saves properly and players to still make plays.
I'd love for them to just get rid of all the lines (except the goal line) and play 20 games like that. See what they do.
Once per season they should play a Pond Hockey Classic.
Even if it's just an exhibition and doesn't count towards the season, I bet the ratings would be amazing!
@@JohannesJanssen4that would look cool and amazing on TV
Icing and cherry picking. That’s what would happen.
@@dankdill8286 and the best players in the world would not adapt at all.
Was at a saddledome game oilers vs flames wayne Gretzky slapper tipped hits a woman in the stands....later on 2002 after the tragic death of a fan they put the nets above the end boards
You look at old footage of 70's 80's. Is it old film deteriorating or is the lighting so poor to now days....so much brighter
Blue lines being thinner at the beginning made sense because offside didn't exist until midway through the 1929-30 season.
There is an article in one of The Hockey News issues of proposing to enlarge the red and bluelines to 6 feet wide each to artificially expand the ice without removing the first few rows of seats in the arena
Looked pretty legit
I don't think I'd want a full NHL season with it, but I'd kill to see the two line pass brought back, and offsides eliminated. Maybe in some tournament, maybe in a preseason, just for the chaos, but to eliminate the cherry picking if it's on the FULL other side of the rink.
was nothing quite like going to a friend's house, sitting down to some EANHL, and realizing they played without 2-line passes and icing 🤣🤣🤣
Speaking of history, how about "great broadcasters of yesteryear". play-by-play guys, color guys and duos? The Big Whistle doing Ranger games made me a fan. And who doesn't love Don Cherry?
Only change I would make is to widen the rink & make it more Olympic sized.
You know some pictures thrown in for good measure would take like 10 minutes and would help a lot
Speaking as a fan of a team with 2 goalies that are good puck handlers, give the goalies more freedom handling the puck. Considering the number of goalies who aren’t as good at that as they think they are, it’d probably increase scoring for a bit
When were the circles added? And also, do you remember in the 70's there were games where players loafed A LOT. The incentive to play hard was not there.
I think there were puck drops in non dots until the late 2000s. Watch a game in 2006 and you’ll see them
Anyone else remember that time Buffalo painted their ice blue?
Joel "Puck kicker" otto
Post lockout they moved the nets back too right?
Trapezoid needs to go!
To today where the ice is being covered by adds.
2029-30 the ads in the faceoff circles.
You say this as a joke but it’s almost a guarantee at this point
It will show the draftkings odds on who will win the faceoff
Europe already has it for a long time
Get that Trapezoid out of there. Let goalies go for a walk and risk it. Small change that can add excitement to the game
NJ made that be the most un fun thing ever. Shoot a put in........ and it's out. Watch a lot of center ice 1 to 0 games that way
What's up with the Half-Circle in front of and in between the Penalty boxes?
That's the Referee crease. Players cannot enter that area when the referee goes to the scorer's box.
That's the Refs' space when talking to the time keepers or (now) reviews. Players have to stay outside the line when the Refs are in that half circle.
@@angushiltz4880 Yes, but where is the "History" of that existence.....been there from Day 1? Added in 1946 after the War? Included after the introduction of Video Review?
@@KevinWindsor1971 Yes, but what is "The Evolution" of that Semi-circle? Always part of the Ice-Lines? Added with the advent of Television?
That's a surprise! I would have thought that "No two line passes" would make offense, specifically scoring, more difficult? Oops, my bad.
When was the goal/icing line added?
Someone play hockey and get this man some content already. He's dying over here!!!
How would disallowing two-line passes ever have increased offense? Doesn’t that just make it harder to move up the ice?
Well remember before that you couldn't make a forward pass in the defensive zone. Only in the neutral zone. So basically they just opened up half the ice to forward passes.
Remember when goalies would complain when magnets first came in less about easily bumped off but players driving the net taking the goalies and the net off its moorings
All these changes to increase scoring, why doesn't the NHL recognize the huge increase in goalie size and make the net longer and higher. A minor increase in size in each dimension would result in quite a larger area for shooters.
How about widening the rinks to international level? I find 4 on 4 much more fun to watch because of the open space so widening the rink would create that with 5 players.
I appreciate this sentiment, but it would be virtually impossible to retrofit thirty two different arenas by widening the playing surface.
You'd have to remove two or three rows of seating which are usually built on giant blocks of concrete.
Then your first row of seating would be way above ice level with no way that I can think of to lower all the seats back down to the ice.
It's a nightmare. :(
@@JohannesJanssen4 the reason why they would never do it is because those are high value seats and trams don’t want to lose the revenue.
ditch the trapezoids ANNND if the goalie is out of his crease handling the puck, he's fair game for a hit
T.H.G. pulling for the oilers , kiss of death?
Um.
Is it possible to have an offsides line in each zone or move the blue lines closer to the goal?
the only change i'd make is to move to the international dimensions... when guys were smaller and wore gear that was smaller... NHL rinks looked large... but now.. you get 11 guys on the ice and it don't look thab big anymore..
Many people like this idea, myself included, but it'll never happen because of the time and money it would take to rebuild every arena.
Plus you'd lose about two row of the best seats in the house. (And most expensive seats)
To lower all the seating back to ice level after a retrofit like that is pretty much impossible.
@@JohannesJanssen4 Oh, I'm aware of that... still, it would open the game up more. Watching games during the olympics in europe or Asia has shown it to be more exciting... but yeah, I can't see NHL owners making the move to eliminate some of the more expensive seats.. moving the seats down could be done easier by raising the rink instead.. still, I agree it's been debated for 30 years... I don't expect it to happen. But that wasn't part of the question either.
@@ronpeacock9939 How are they going to raise the ice level that much?
@@JohannesJanssen4 Seems to me that most o the lower bowls are all below ground level anyway... Just seems like if you're going to raise the bottom of the bowl or lower your seats... the former seems easier... Not that it matters.. I can't see NHL teams allowing that change to happen in the NHL's lifetime. The only way I could see them doing it is like when they standardized the rinks in late 70's/80's.. when new builds had to conform. I know my teams arena in those days was actually a tad bit undersized and it was called a home rink advantange (don't think it was but who knows).. so you grandfather the current ones but new builds have to accomodate the larger ice.
@@ronpeacock9939 I don't know man, I did some quick math and the numbers are crazy!
Conservatively, you'd need more than 1800 cubic meters of concrete to raise the slab beneath the ice by only one meter, which weighs about 4350 tonnes.
That's almost 9.7 million extra pounds added!
I hope the arena is built on some crazy solid ground, to say nothing of the city utility and sewers systems underneath getting crushed.
If the rink has a basement/service tunnels below then forget it!
Otherwise, like you said it's the weird situation where some of the games are played at arenas with different dimensions while they wait for the rest to catch up/be built. Total chaos!
Now I'm thinking it's just easier to watch Olympic hockey for that size rink...
Like to see them go to the international ice dimensions to give more room for players to be more creative
I remarked on another similar comment, as much as I like this idea, it's pretty much impossible to retrofit all the different arenas to accomodate this change.
Way too many things have to be torn out and rebuilt for it to be viable.
It's a dream that becomes a nightmare when you try to implement it, unfortunately.
@@JohannesJanssen4 I also dont think it would make the game more interesting to watch because skaters have so much more room to maneuver and pass... faster players become more valuable, physical play sees reduction and there will be less deking required.
A smaller rink forces players to have better stick handling and deking skills to get past the defense... and everyone loves seeing star players deke their way around defense!
@@Otakahunt Very true, and good point.
Way too easy for McDavid to win everything!
Goalies, along with their equipment, have become so damn large that scoring has become a near impossibility against a goalie who is at the top of their game. As such, I would like to see nets enlarged.
Bring back full 2 min penalties, blue lines should be bigger and red lines should be smaller. Trapezoids should stay since it will result in more clearings than give aways
What about the crease going from rectangular to semicircular and the ice from white to blue?
...He mentioned BOTH of those. Please watch the entire video before wasting a comment on ignorance.
God the 2 line pass was such a dumb rule imo. If you can’t pass to someone beyond the red line but not in the offensive zone then the blue line should’ve had no effect of the play being offside or not. Being pretty much called offside in the neutral zone was dumb and I’m glad they got rid of that rule.
If you have and enforce the goal crease as the goalie's area where he is not allowed to even be touched.....then he needs to be treated as a regular player when he leaves that area.
Not a fan of the trapezoid.
I can never figure out how goalies played without masks.
The only change I want to see them make is bringing back Stanley Cup Playoffs to just inside the zone
Let the goalies play the puck outside the trapezoid, but if they do go outside, they're fair game to get hit.
40 views…guys fallen off
Twice that amount 30 seconds later
We are at 1500 now an hour later.
Ha it was a joke guys geez😄
I think they should shrink the blue lines down to a pin strip, that way the moment the puck touches the line, your good to go
The trapezoid is dumb. Get rid of it
Agree not a fan of it