Yes, West Coast hockey history! I recently read a great book on the Victoria team, so I wanted to share some random facts about the team and the PCHA that I found fascinating: -Unlike the other founding PCHA teams, the New Westminster Royals and Vancouver Millionaires, the Victoria team didn’t officially have a name in the first few years. Their early years are now referred to as the Aristocrats (which they did use officially from 1915), but local news reports at the time called them Senators, Capitals, and even Victorias. Because that is not confusing at all. -As Shannon noted, Victoria won the league in 1913, and they hosted the NHA champions Quebec Bulldogs for a series. Victoria won decisively, but it didn’t count as a Cup challenge because Quebec just didn’t want to bring the Cup to BC. So while it’s not considered an official challenge, it definitely gave credibility to the level of play by the PCHA and led to the “world series” era for the Stanley Cup. -In the 1910s there was this small little conflict called the First World War. May have heard of it. In 1916 the CAF decided to seize the Patrick Arena in Victoria, as it was a large building perfect for military training. Kicked out of their own home, the team moved to Spokane, WA, and became the Canaries. The team struggled that season, and because of high travel costs they suspended operations the following year. After the war was over in 1918, the team was allowed to return to their Victoria arena, with players they got from the recently-folded Portland Rosebuds. -At the end of the 1923-24 season the Seattle Metropolitans faced an issue with their building. You see, the Seattle Ice Arena was located inside University of Washington property, and when the Olympic Hotel was built they wanted the land where the arena was to build… a parking garage. Seriously. UW kicked out the hockey team and sold the land, and the Metropolitans failed to find a new home so they folded and merged with the Victoria now-called-Cougars. -The Patrick Arena in Victoria was destroyed in a fire in 1929, three years after the team folded, and an apartment building now sits in its place. There is a small stone monument commemorating the venue across the street, facing it. I bike on that road sometimes, and when I do I think about the Cougars and how amazing it must have been to watch them win the Stanley Cup in 1925. A century ago. That’s wild.
Hockey ice didn't get painted white until after World War 2. The crease was painted in 1947, and the rest of the ice in 1949. That was the same year (1949) Frank Zamboni invented his ice cleaning machine. NHL owners initially didn't want the Zamboni, because fans would sit in their seats at intermission watching it, instead of heading to the concession stands. Up until then, the ice was brushed by workers with long brooms between periods. Sonia Henie used to travel with a Zamboni she bought for her shows.
His given name was Frederick Wellington Taylor. Before he got paid to play hockey, he played on amateur teams. He made his living working for the Immigration Branch of the Canadian Department of the Interior. From 1907 to 1922 he did both. Imagine Connor McDavid working on his off days as a government clerk!
@@flyingtiger1603 According to Wikipedia, the company was started by his son Fred, Jr., in 1957. Their website lists 4 locations in and near Vancouver. I cannot confirm his family still owns the company.
@@JPMadden If you google it the current owners are Rick and Mark Taylor who are the sons of Fred Jr. and the grandsons of Cyclone Taylor so yes it’s still in the family.
@@flyingtiger1603 Good for the business staying the family. The grandson Mark Taylor played a little over 200 games in the NHL in the 1980s, as well as in the AHL and several European leagues. He also played for the University of North Dakota from 1976 to 1980. Wasn't it rare at that time for a Canadian to play in the NCAA?
Love the historical videos! Maybe you could do a look at some historically notable rovers when the position was commonplace and how their game evolved after it was phased out?
From 1973 to 2021, when only the American League had the designated hitter, World Series games would use it or not use it as the teams alternated between the two cities. But Stanley Cup Finals series between the NHA/NHL and PCHA champions played all games in the East one year and the West the following year. Commercial air travel was in its infancy or hadn't begun, and transcontinental rail travel might take several days. When the series were played in the East, did the PCHA rovers get to play? When in the West, I bet the cheap NHA/NHL owners complained about having to pay an additional player. Where did they find a rover, and how good would he be?
The PCHA folded after the Seattle Metropolitans were forced to fold when their arena was taken over by a local hotel for a parking garage and the team couldn’t find a new space. A two team league wasn’t go fly, so they merged into the Western Canada Hockey League. The PCHA had an interlocking schedule with the WCHL practically since the WCHL began.
Always enjoy these history videos. I grew up in North Carolina in the 70s and 80s so hockey was this weird Northern sport until I watched the 1980 USA hockey team beat USSR then I was hooked. But I don’t have a lot of knowledge of the history of the NHL and hockey itself so thank you Hockey Guy.
If they ever do some sort of reverse retro or similar run of jerseys again it would be kind of cool to see Detroit do a cougar or falcon themed jersey.
Lester Patrick went on to be first head coach and GM of the NY Rangers. Some of the PCHL Saskatoon Sheiks formed the nucleus of the early Ranger cup teams. Lester Patrick even played goalie again for one game in the 1928 SC Final.
Fun fact: Lord Frederick Stanley is the namesake of the cup, Stanley Park in Vancouver. Side note: He’s a 9th cousin (not close, 4th is fam) of my late father. Common descent from Donough O’Brien the 4th Earl of Thomond - Dublin, Ireland. The Vancouver arena was down on Denman St.
Imagine a retro night hockey with original rules - no forward passing, goalies couldn't couldn't stop the puck on their knees, a rover position, etc. Could something like that happen today?
Oooof the names! Victoria Aristocrats? New Westminster Royals? So hockey-like... I can imagine the fights. No, they are actually duels and the two players are 5 meters apart and have to aim the puck to the face after a gunshot is fired.
The Vancouver Millionaires definitely don’t get talked about enough, gorgeous jerseys too…I’m curious who owns the history of the teams that folded (i.e. the Seattle Metropolitans)
Imo it would be fun to have a game at the All-Star where players have to use old school equipment and rules, leather skates without much ankle support, wodden sticks with a straight blade, leather gloves, standing goalies, original 6 era stuff.
@@85blutch My guess is it would look very much like a game from the 40s, 50s, and 60s. The game would be slowed a step by nature of the heavy skates, and I think it would give new respect for the teams that won cups in that generation. As I constantly hear from modern fans, "Duh...they won the cup in a league with only 6 teams (even though those six teams were all significantly deeper than teams today) so therefore their championships are irrelevant."
@@20thCenturyManTrad Yeah that's kinda what i have in mind, it would give the average fan or kid a small lesson in the history of the game and renew the respect for the players of old that i feel has be kinda lost recently.
Ebbets Field, though they don't have it anymore. seattle-metropolitans.com/shop I haven't seen jerseys from this site, but they do own that name and logo.
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When and where the term goaltender, "Stood on his head" was coined.
Great content HG, been watching your videos for some years now. However there's a bit of wrong storytelling here! The series 1914 WAS played and Toronto swept Victoria in a best of 5 series with 3-0. It was first denied because of misunderstanding regarding paperwork, but was then accepted after the issues were cleared out.
I did some history into the NHL and the early days of the game.. and it seems so foreign for no forward passing (the lines came in with the forward pass), no crease.. goalies staying on their skates... among other things... seems beyond odd to me.
Hey sorry to bring up this trauma but I just saw that new 30 for 30 on the Vancouver riots. Did you witness anything crazy during that whole process? Especially as a Bruins fan in Vancouver. Interested to hear your perspective.
@@TheHockeyGuy according to Wikipedia, the Blackhawks were an expansion team but they "purchased" most of the players from Frank Patrick's Portland team
The situation with Portland and Chicago (and Victoria and Detroit) is probably most analagous to Arizona-Utah thing happening right now. They bought all the players but are a separate organization.
So I have encyclopedias telling me Portland had to fold out of the PCHA and that was the case. Yes, Portland managed to exist in the hockey world, but not as a member of the PCHA. Since the PCHA itself folded and the two surviving teams joined the WCHL before it folded, my statement on what happened to the Rosebuds stands.
@@TheHockeyGuy both the Detroit and Chicago starts would make great summer time videos. Just saying Shannon. appreciate all you do, your incite and knowledge is second to none.
@@TheHockeyGuy you have a page dedicated to the NHL as a whole, you have a channel dedicated to entertainment, I think it would be great if you did a channel dedicated to the teams you grew up supporting. More of a personal sports page even MLB, NFL talking about the padres and chargers I think it’s a cool idea
I already don't see my wife during the regular season. I already don't have time to make TEG videos half the year. Adding a third channel would be redundant.
@@TheHockeyGuy I definitely understand that. I’ve been a big supporter of yours for years now, I really don’t even watch hockey anymore like I did when I was a kid but I still always watch every video because of what you represent and the time that you put into your videos. I’m a huge NFL MLB fan so I guess that’s where the idea comes from
The IPHL was the most influencial league with being the first pro leage in NA . Ssm Michigan and Ont should still be hockey town Usa and Canada. All other hockey places and culture are inferior
Yes, West Coast hockey history! I recently read a great book on the Victoria team, so I wanted to share some random facts about the team and the PCHA that I found fascinating:
-Unlike the other founding PCHA teams, the New Westminster Royals and Vancouver Millionaires, the Victoria team didn’t officially have a name in the first few years. Their early years are now referred to as the Aristocrats (which they did use officially from 1915), but local news reports at the time called them Senators, Capitals, and even Victorias. Because that is not confusing at all.
-As Shannon noted, Victoria won the league in 1913, and they hosted the NHA champions Quebec Bulldogs for a series. Victoria won decisively, but it didn’t count as a Cup challenge because Quebec just didn’t want to bring the Cup to BC. So while it’s not considered an official challenge, it definitely gave credibility to the level of play by the PCHA and led to the “world series” era for the Stanley Cup.
-In the 1910s there was this small little conflict called the First World War. May have heard of it. In 1916 the CAF decided to seize the Patrick Arena in Victoria, as it was a large building perfect for military training. Kicked out of their own home, the team moved to Spokane, WA, and became the Canaries. The team struggled that season, and because of high travel costs they suspended operations the following year. After the war was over in 1918, the team was allowed to return to their Victoria arena, with players they got from the recently-folded Portland Rosebuds.
-At the end of the 1923-24 season the Seattle Metropolitans faced an issue with their building. You see, the Seattle Ice Arena was located inside University of Washington property, and when the Olympic Hotel was built they wanted the land where the arena was to build… a parking garage. Seriously. UW kicked out the hockey team and sold the land, and the Metropolitans failed to find a new home so they folded and merged with the Victoria now-called-Cougars.
-The Patrick Arena in Victoria was destroyed in a fire in 1929, three years after the team folded, and an apartment building now sits in its place. There is a small stone monument commemorating the venue across the street, facing it. I bike on that road sometimes, and when I do I think about the Cougars and how amazing it must have been to watch them win the Stanley Cup in 1925. A century ago. That’s wild.
Hockey ice didn't get painted white until after World War 2. The crease was painted in 1947, and the rest of the ice in 1949. That was the same year (1949) Frank Zamboni invented his ice cleaning machine. NHL owners initially didn't want the Zamboni, because fans would sit in their seats at intermission watching it, instead of heading to the concession stands. Up until then, the ice was brushed by workers with long brooms between periods. Sonia Henie used to travel with a Zamboni she bought for her shows.
Cyclone Taylor, that's one badass name! Sounds like wrestler!
His given name was Frederick Wellington Taylor. Before he got paid to play hockey, he played on amateur teams. He made his living working for the Immigration Branch of the Canadian Department of the Interior. From 1907 to 1922 he did both. Imagine Connor McDavid working on his off days as a government clerk!
There’s also a sporting goods store that sells mostly hockey equipment called Cyclone Taylor’s that I believe is still owned by his family.
@@flyingtiger1603 According to Wikipedia, the company was started by his son Fred, Jr., in 1957. Their website lists 4 locations in and near Vancouver. I cannot confirm his family still owns the company.
@@JPMadden If you google it the current owners are Rick and Mark Taylor who are the sons of Fred Jr. and the grandsons of Cyclone Taylor so yes it’s still in the family.
@@flyingtiger1603 Good for the business staying the family. The grandson Mark Taylor played a little over 200 games in the NHL in the 1980s, as well as in the AHL and several European leagues. He also played for the University of North Dakota from 1976 to 1980. Wasn't it rare at that time for a Canadian to play in the NCAA?
The idea that Bobrovsky’s ridiculous stop against TB in the playoffs could’ve been illegal in another timeline is absurd.
Love the historical videos! Maybe you could do a look at some historically notable rovers when the position was commonplace and how their game evolved after it was phased out?
2011? Time travel!
Right? I think he meant to say 1911. 😆
Misspeaking happens.
@@TheHockeyGuy Miswriting too!
Damnit, who put 2011 on the whiteboard, for the last time, anything you put on that board, Shannon will read! 😅
@@TheHockeyGuy The 2011 Vancouver Riot documentary does debut on ESPN tonight.
From 1973 to 2021, when only the American League had the designated hitter, World Series games would use it or not use it as the teams alternated between the two cities. But Stanley Cup Finals series between the NHA/NHL and PCHA champions played all games in the East one year and the West the following year. Commercial air travel was in its infancy or hadn't begun, and transcontinental rail travel might take several days. When the series were played in the East, did the PCHA rovers get to play? When in the West, I bet the cheap NHA/NHL owners complained about having to pay an additional player. Where did they find a rover, and how good would he be?
Great little history video. Would love to see more videos like this. Quite a lot of leagues around the turn of the 1900s.
A century ahead? Would you say… ahead by a century?
The PCHA folded after the Seattle Metropolitans were forced to fold when their arena was taken over by a local hotel for a parking garage and the team couldn’t find a new space. A two team league wasn’t go fly, so they merged into the Western Canada Hockey League. The PCHA had an interlocking schedule with the WCHL practically since the WCHL began.
Always enjoy these history videos. I grew up in North Carolina in the 70s and 80s so hockey was this weird Northern sport until I watched the 1980 USA hockey team beat USSR then I was hooked. But I don’t have a lot of knowledge of the history of the NHL and hockey itself so thank you Hockey Guy.
If they ever do some sort of reverse retro or similar run of jerseys again it would be kind of cool to see Detroit do a cougar or falcon themed jersey.
Threw me of a bit with the 2011 :)
My first full-time job was at Parkview Chevron, 785 Denman Street. Built on the former land of the Denman Arena.
During my next job, our salesman married Cynthia Taylor. Cyclone's granddaughter. He currently manages Cyclone Taylor Sports.
Love the Seattle Mets jersey
Lester Patrick went on to be first head coach and GM of the NY Rangers. Some of the PCHL Saskatoon Sheiks formed the nucleus of the early Ranger cup teams. Lester Patrick even played goalie again for one game in the 1928 SC Final.
I read so much about the Pacific Coast Hockey League as kid, especially about Frank Patrick.
Fun fact: Lord Frederick Stanley is the namesake of the cup, Stanley Park in Vancouver. Side note: He’s a 9th cousin (not close, 4th is fam) of my late father. Common descent from Donough O’Brien the 4th Earl of Thomond - Dublin, Ireland. The Vancouver arena was down on Denman St.
I think the Patricks also came up with the idea of painting the ice white so you can actually see the pucks
I love your hockey history videos.
Cougars vs Predators would have been one hell of a match up
The Coloured Hockey League was the first league to allow goalies to fall on the ice and invent the slapshot as well.
One Eyed Frank McGee! I used to have a poster of the Dawson City Nuggets. Love this history
Love that the hockey history series is back!
Really good stuff....love historical videos.
I like this video! History of the game is fascinating.
As a bc resident my whole life so word to hear city's names being a team when nowadays no one mentions anything other than Vancouver
Portland Rosebuds great name
I now have a favorite name in hockey.
CYCLONE MF'N TAYLOR!!!!
How come players in olden days always look older than the todays nhl? Life was harder ?
Oh dear, "rosebuds" would not be acceptable to our filthy minds today!
Love the historical videos!
Imagine a retro night hockey with original rules - no forward passing, goalies couldn't couldn't stop the puck on their knees, a rover position, etc. Could something like that happen today?
Always love a history video.
I'm here for the hockey nerd content
If i remember correctly I heard that wives of the players would sew the jerseys that's why they all have look slightly different
I hope for the Blackhawks Winter Classic is based off a Portland Rosebuds inspired jersey as the Blackhawks were formed from the Folded Rosebuds.
These leagues were full of maroons!
History lesson time
My memory isn’t that bad, I feel like I should remember this
The Rosebuds were placed on the Cup in 1916.
Smooth video!
As someone who watches a lot of rugby too, I can't imagine hockey with no forward passing. Would everyone be doing the flying V?
ECH Has a great video on the history of the Seattle Mets really interesting stuff with the war and the Flu Pandemic.
ua-cam.com/video/oJz5waBBAHQ/v-deo.html I talked about the cancelled Final when the flu epidemic was at its height.
Oooof the names! Victoria Aristocrats? New Westminster Royals? So hockey-like... I can imagine the fights. No, they are actually duels and the two players are 5 meters apart and have to aim the puck to the face after a gunshot is fired.
Stick fights were a thing until the 70's, so there was fencing going on.
100 years ago PCHA is no more.
The Vancouver Millionaires definitely don’t get talked about enough, gorgeous jerseys too…I’m curious who owns the history of the teams that folded (i.e. the Seattle Metropolitans)
Thankfully, coming out of COVID helped the MLB finally make the rule change to allow the DH position in NL and AL games.
@TheHockeyGuy The red line was first introduced in 1943 by Frank Boucher
Season by season history? I know what I’ll be watching for the next few weeks.
It would be hilarious to do an exhibition game where modern goalies had to stand only.
Imo it would be fun to have a game at the All-Star where players have to use old school equipment and rules, leather skates without much ankle support, wodden sticks with a straight blade, leather gloves, standing goalies, original 6 era stuff.
@@85blutch My guess is it would look very much like a game from the 40s, 50s, and 60s. The game would be slowed a step by nature of the heavy skates, and I think it would give new respect for the teams that won cups in that generation. As I constantly hear from modern fans, "Duh...they won the cup in a league with only 6 teams (even though those six teams were all significantly deeper than teams today) so therefore their championships are irrelevant."
@@20thCenturyManTrad Yeah that's kinda what i have in mind, it would give the average fan or kid a small lesson in the history of the game and renew the respect for the players of old that i feel has be kinda lost recently.
In the same fashion that the Portland Rosebud players where bought by the Chicago Blackhawks right?
That is a really cool Metropolitans sweater Shannon! I am from Seattle and am interested in getting one. Where did you buy it from?
Ebbets Field, though they don't have it anymore. seattle-metropolitans.com/shop I haven't seen jerseys from this site, but they do own that name and logo.
When and where the term goaltender, "Stood on his head" was coined.
Winnipeg Jets of WHA could have beaten any NHL team for the Stanley Cup.
I hope there is a team in Portland again and I hope they are named the Rosebuds
Great content HG, been watching your videos for some years now. However there's a bit of wrong storytelling here! The series 1914 WAS played and Toronto swept Victoria in a best of 5 series with 3-0. It was first denied because of misunderstanding regarding paperwork, but was then accepted after the issues were cleared out.
What was the rationale for not allowing forward passes?
I did some history into the NHL and the early days of the game.. and it seems so foreign for no forward passing (the lines came in with the forward pass), no crease.. goalies staying on their skates... among other things... seems beyond odd to me.
Hey sorry to bring up this trauma but I just saw that new 30 for 30 on the Vancouver riots. Did you witness anything crazy during that whole process? Especially as a Bruins fan in Vancouver. Interested to hear your perspective.
did Portland Rosebuds not become the Chicago Blackhawks? i had read that someplace
Portland had to fold.
@@TheHockeyGuy according to Wikipedia, the Blackhawks were an expansion team but they "purchased" most of the players from Frank Patrick's Portland team
The situation with Portland and Chicago (and Victoria and Detroit) is probably most analagous to Arizona-Utah thing happening right now. They bought all the players but are a separate organization.
So I have encyclopedias telling me Portland had to fold out of the PCHA and that was the case. Yes, Portland managed to exist in the hockey world, but not as a member of the PCHA. Since the PCHA itself folded and the two surviving teams joined the WCHL before it folded, my statement on what happened to the Rosebuds stands.
@@TheHockeyGuy both the Detroit and Chicago starts would make great summer time videos. Just saying Shannon. appreciate all you do, your incite and knowledge is second to none.
Im actually first! Go Millionaires! :p
Going forward, the winner of the PWHL playoffs should be able to challenge the winner of the NHL playoffs for the Stanley Cup.
No views in 24 seconds. THG fell off 😢😢😢
Have you considered another channel dedicated to just the canucks? Or all 3 of your teams?
Why in the world would I do that?
@@TheHockeyGuy you have a page dedicated to the NHL as a whole, you have a channel dedicated to entertainment, I think it would be great if you did a channel dedicated to the teams you grew up supporting. More of a personal sports page even MLB, NFL talking about the padres and chargers I think it’s a cool idea
I already don't see my wife during the regular season. I already don't have time to make TEG videos half the year. Adding a third channel would be redundant.
@@TheHockeyGuy I definitely understand that. I’ve been a big supporter of yours for years now, I really don’t even watch hockey anymore like I did when I was a kid but I still always watch every video because of what you represent and the time that you put into your videos. I’m a huge NFL MLB fan so I guess that’s where the idea comes from
Considering the times we live in, I'm kinda worried the PCHA will make a return. Politically Correct Hockey Association.
The IPHL was the most influencial league with being the first pro leage in NA . Ssm Michigan and Ont should still be hockey town Usa and Canada. All other hockey places and culture are inferior
The IPHL was only around for three years and using natural ice meant only playing a couple of months a year. It was mostly a disaster.
The NHL is no longer competitive . To many teams so who cares .
That has nothing to do with the topic of this video.
Mote teams yea, but also more players to select from.