The Speed of Outrage: Tom Scott at Thinking Digital 2015
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2015
- tomscott.com - / tomscott - On stage at Thinking Digital 2015, I talk about angry people, livestreaming, and how nothing seems to have changed recently.
Thanks to all the crew, volunteers, sponsors and technical team at Thinking Digital -- I'm using several camera angles and the audio from their livestream, plus my Periscope broadcast and a GoPro from the front row (thanks Emilia)!
Thinking Digital is at thinkingdigital.co.uk - tickets for 2016 are already on sale!
Us in 2015: "I wish it was 2020 already!"
Us now in 2020: _incoherent sobbing_ "please, I just wanna go back to 2015..."
No, lets go to 2025 instead.
@@Liggliluff Are you really sure about that?
@@remrevo3944 yes
Hindsight is 2020
@@Liggliluff but what iif world ends in 2022
Tom in 2015: "Enjoy the next five years."
Here in 2020, this closing comment hasn't aged well...
it really didn't...
Oh it gets worse.... MUCH worse
Y.E.S.
No, really, you wouldn't believe how WORSE it gets
I remember how blissful it was in *checks notes* April 2020
9 years and “Ed Balls.” still gets me.
wanna go for 10?
I just learned about it now, and I can already tell I'm going to reference it all the time
Same LAMO
Ed Balls
Ed Balls.
Now looking back 5 years, twitch is huge and every social media platform has their own live stream service
I hope they get to host an event in 2021 or whenever it's safe to do so!
And events are live now
This it terrifying after G Floyd
And work changing events have gone on
I wouldn't say Twitch fills the same "real life livestreaming" niche as the other social medias' livestreaming services. Twitch was already a somewhat established thing in 2015 (Twitch Plays Pokemon had happened the previous year), but Twitch is primarily for people to stream from their desktop computer at home.
Four years after this video was made, a mass killing gets livestreamed to Facebook.
@Lenny McLennington Well, that was a disgusting comment.
@@MichaelBerthelsen did you expect tact from Lenny McLennington
@@Joy_ffa1bd Common decency would have sufficed, but I suppose even that is too much to ask...
@Lenny McLennington i wish there was a heart button
Was that 7 months ago, wow
"Apple earbuds have a cable."
Welp
Considering how little time their battery lasts, they may as well still have a cable.
@@ShroudedWolf51 Isn't it like 6 hours without a case?
@@ShroudedWolf51 and few people attach a cord to the earbuds to not loose them if those fall out of the ears.
T-That was 4 years ago?
@@ValentineC137 had the same reaction
“Sky will gladly go to an interview of someone on a webcam in their home”
*uncomfortable 2020 sounds*
Is this guy a professor? I'd major in any class he taught, be it computer science or how to mix a smoothie.
He is better than that. He has appeared in the 'Only connect' quiz on the BBC. You don't get on there unless you are smart, an preferably funny and a bit weird.
He also ran for parliament.
As a pirate, and he lost a bet, so it doesn't really count. He did get 87 votes in London and Westminster, though.
Kim Philipp Möllgaard Including Noel Gallagher, funny enough.
I'd vote for him. As if any of that even matters anymore.
I'm going to keep my eyes on this internet thing, I think it's gonna be pretty big.
+The Major ?
@@GuyWithoutACamera Oh boy were you wrong
Half of this thread can't get a joke
@@_solstice and then google deleted it. one examples of internet outrages and their power, heh
Hello from the future, you were right.
7:00 In 2020, the webcam interview was the only kind of interview. Will we bother going back?
Yes please
Tom: And hoping that nothing world-changing comes along.
People in 2020: Corona virus.
We got to 2020 tho, which is something.
It doesn't even take that! just a year later the US election...
people in 2020. bushfires, floods corona, BLM protests/ riots, corona part 2. this year has been bad and we only at level 7 fam
I mean, the main reason for not being able to predict the future is that a good portion of the world-changing stuff comes from mostly random small events blowing out of proportion.
It's been a couple of decades since the scientific community has started warning about the dangers of zoonotic diseases and there is literally no way anybody could have predicted it going off exactly in 2020. Same goes for world-changing inventions, political events, natural disasters, etc. especially given how the powers in place are prone to ignore any warnings until they turn world-changing.
@@DMack6464 but can we get to 2021?
No. We can't
Interesting watching this in 2019 and comparing it to Twitch IRL streaming. Feels like we've done a little better than predicted.
It's interesting, new tech looks scary when you can't see what's actual going to happen. These days, the tech is used for very good things. We know the truths behind things like a South American coup and several growing revolutionary movements across the world, due to live streaming and live tweeting. That's... not something we had back in 2015. The Hong Kong movements started BEFORE 2015, they only became widespread recently due to the extradition thing, but they started WAY before that. But did most of the world know that? Was that widespread knowledge? No, and I personally think we've done a helluva lot better than people thought.
Now rewatch it and think on it now
Watching this in 2020 after the blm and covid mess is... Interesting.
2017, it turns out that the speed of outrage is increasing. Now, people get outraged before the event even happens.
Cod infinity war, the trailer made the game become hated alone.
[insert an image of a cod with the infinity gauntlet here]
@@hakenbacker dont forget bf5
@@joebob8128 modern warfare, people are hating on it, at this point if could in any way be controversial, it is.
The idea that outrage is only gonna get faster kinda terrifies me. Like, I was kinda hoping we were at the "outrage peak."
Either way, fascinating talk.
Ali Jardz At some point, people will be outraged at something before it happens.
Ali Jardz You will rarely lose money by betting on human greed or human stupidity,
'Peak outrage' sounds kinda scientific. I can already imagine news reports talking about a Peak Outrage rating of 8.4, regarding the latest blog post, or election campaign.
***** Oh right, my bad.
Ali Jardz In 2025 when an outrage break out it will be massive, global and over in less than 2 minutes...
"'cause they've got the cable" oh, 2015 tom... if you but only knew...
@Trainchannel MrkLD oh, 2017 Us. if you but only knew.
9:31 "Where were you when you found X happened" got unintentionally funnier now after Twitter's rebrand
Tom, trying to guess 2020 could end up disastrous. Three months in and it's all gone mad.
@Thibaut Snoeijs (2STEMA) no. people are starting to ignore it more and more. Governments are fudging the numbers and there are not enough test kits. Even with that there over 700,000 dead and over 19,000,000 confirmed infected.
@Thibaut Snoeijs (3WEA)
3 months again. It's speeding up again.
@Thibaut Snoeijs (3WEA) 2021. It's all worse.
It really has been over a year since covid
2020: Livestreamed protests with protestors being tracked down using those videos and pictures
"what is the culture of 2020 going to look like?"
Things went viral really fast
I would go back to that event and say. "Ladys and gentlemen. You all will find that interaction and enjoyment will die during the end of 2010s. So enjoy what you have until politics and generalisation starts knocking at your door...."
"viral"
I see what you did there
@@BJ-zd2or this the truth of how it is now and its awful. Its not uncommon to 8th graders or lower online now casually throwing out words like fascism and anarchocommunism, not really knowing what they mean, just that they've been fed such ideas by the Internet. I fear for them, when I was that age I was trading pokemon cards in the park and my primary concern was late homework
"What's the 2020 election gonna look like?"
If only they knew.
this fast pacing honestly makes me want to kill myself it's too much stress help
If only YOU knew
😳😳
This did NOT age well
If only they knew...
Plot twist, the election wasn't in 2020.
You have successfully predicted the future.
The way things are going, the next one might be.
@@szbnahl The next election will, in fact, be in 2020
@@lunahoshi2844 And the outrage has only become worse and speedier (see the "cancel culture"), so this prediction by Thomas is also correct.
Luna Hoshi almost - the election is in December this year, after being voted on my MPs yesterday.
"2020 will just be a faster version of 2015"
2020: Society grinds to a halt.
Whoops!
but the outrage and polarization was fast as hell.
see all the antivaxxers and protesters and everything... polarized as hell
"If an online mob of 2020 targets you"
They would, but no one's allowed to leave their houses
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not being allowed to leave houses didn't stop people from looting flatscreen TV's in the name of George
@@TheJaguarthChannel da fudge
That truly could be a terrifying experience, in the case of protests or riots.
...when half a million people are watching police battering protesters for no reason and if people feel moved to react to that in the same way that people reacted to the pizza story.
You could have a mass riot, countrywide, happen. All because of a stream.
AceRidesBikes Sounds like a good deterrent.
Martijn van de Streek think of how ridiculous people get on Facebook and Twitter now when it comes to arguments, if you move that thinking into the meatspace then it's a dangerous thing
AceRidesBikes Sounds like a good reason NOT to batter innocent civilians, as if you really NEED a deterrent to do that... >~>
***** There's an old sci-fi story about this -- not about outrage, really, but it's a lovely thought experiment! -- called Flash Crowd by Larry Niven. Track it down if you can.
***** Talk about terrifying futures, Larry Niven has several stories about the penalties for most crimes being death by Organ Bank because most people want transplants to live forever. I think it's in The Defenseless Dead.
"You've got the cable"
Welcome to 2016.
C L I C K B A I T E D welcome to 2019
C L I C K E D B A I T welcome to 2021
Oh look, someone is rationally talking about crazy mobs online.
And, somewhat ironically, expressing outrage at the situation.
With the recent shooting in NZ, this is terrifyingly more relevant than ever.
Coming back to this video in 2019 with Twitch being mainstream and Stadia Just being announced. This video is very interesting on how it was almost completely right about something but completely wrong on others.
That's what is rather cool about looking back with hindsight that was impossible at the time when it was an educated prediction. Really cool.
Stadia.l.
@@talkalexis WELL THAT NEVER HAPPENED
"Stadia service is no longer available"
that just happened.. after the paris attacks no one asked me where i were.. but i got asked a dozen times.. "Have you seen it?" and yeah i have seen it.. live.
"Enjoy the next five years."
No.
i'll pass. thanks for the offer, though
Tom Scott is an extremely good speaker.
100 likes! Well done :D
Tom predicted both Twitch and cancel culture half a decade ago
Now watching this from around 4 days after the killing of George Floyd, from around a half mile from where it happened. I can confirm, Tom Scott was absolutely right about livestreaming taking over-the ubiquity of Facebook Live is truly impressive.
Anita's threats weren't credible.
+Confuzzled Tomato Slow down. use smaller words. people still don't get it.
+adood101, there is no speed slow enough, nor words small enough.
My brother could not make my bachelor party, and I wanted him to be there so bad. So I Skyped it live and he saw and heard everything I did at the exact (accounting for the time it takes to process it and all that) same time and aside from not getting titties rubbed in his face, he WAS there. He even did a shot when we all did, so he was just as drunk. I left the camera on and dropped it in my shirt pocket and he was with me the whole night. I don't know if this is what you're referring to, but it's happening right now. And it the next day I was talking with him and it wasn't that I had to describe what happened, he already knew. We just talked about WHAT happened. And that is a key difference. He would say something like "yeah, that guy by the pool table looked pisses off! He's lucky that chick didn't throw his drink on him!" and things like that, which he would not know unless he was there.
This year my cousin who's living in Michigan attended a wedding in S England via Facetime.
And now, that's the norm. At least for now. I'm not certain if it'll stick. But it might.
“For everyone who wants the future to be here now, this is a really frustrating time.” I feel you
Yep. Welcome to 2020. The speed of outrage is so fast we're outraged about things before they've happened
Videos can be changed and edited in real time even today, even by mobile phones. At the moment, it is often recognizable but in five years, they may get better at it. And that means you may have ten thousand eye witnesses of an utter lie.
Page 3: Rewriting Reality
The reality we take for granted is softer, more adaptable than we think. Under correct conditions, you can reshape it, turn it into almost anything you want. When it happens, almost nobody notices. It's not that we forget; it's that after the change, there's nothing to remember.
Only those who have been directly touched by the powers that can shift reality are aware of the changes. Many are driven mad by it. Others can cope. I am one of those people, and I know to wield that power to rewrite reality.
Page 4: The Devil is in the Details
To change reality, you nudge it into the right direction. Your version of it is there, waiting; it wants to come true. All you need to do is to help it achieve its potential. The devil is in the details.
You change the details of the scene to match those on the page. If you get the details right, if you achieve that critical mass, the shift will come, and the rest of your new reality overrides the existing paradigm.
The lie - no matter how outrageous - is now the truth.
Page 11: The Dangers of Creation
To change the world, you must craft a blueprint for the new reality. Any work of art will do, as long as it's a genuine act of creation; that's what the energies of the Dark Place respond to. The results may be subtle and perplexing, or far-ranging and momentous.
My area of expertise -- the written word -- gives much more precise results than music or interpretive dance would, for instance.
But words can be extremely dangerous. What you define may become reality, but so can that which you imply... Even if you don't realize you're doing so.
Page 14: Everything Is as Real as Everything Else
This act of creation is exhilarating and frightening. Subtext and symbols loom, eager to take effect. Causality and consequence become domino chains that stretch into infinity. The more fundamental the change, the more unpredictable the variables become; reality is too complex to control completely. Ordinary questions become meaningless.
"Who created who?"
"What is really real?"
Everything is as real as everything else. You learn to let go of the things you can't control and go with the flow, or go insane.
Alan Wake, Return (manuscript) "A sequel to Departure"
And that's what's terrifying.
I want to see the point when Google Earth can take all these live streams of major events, get their GPS data, and collate them all into an explorable 3D digital place!
+NALGames | There we go, even more big steps in the right direction.
I’ve got some news for you...
@@xleep712 wait WHAT
That sounds actually really cool
Riots and a pandemic. If this is the world 5 years later I'm terrified of what 2025 will look like!
It won't look like anything.
Conservatism. They look at the mist of the future and see nothing but fear.
“Unless something world breaking happens” -Tom Scott 2015 referencing 2020
The speed of outrage - 2016 EU Referendum, Facebook live... you were right.
Donald Trump hahahahaha *7 hours later why God why.... why!
Just see "he will not divide us" from shia. The people in 4 chan found it only by seing the sky and hearing a frog in less than 48 hours. Think if those people put their mond into outrage against someone. When they found an isis terririst training camp it was bombed by russia in 4 hours. Imagime that but that same crowd going after you
As someone interested in writing science fiction, these talks are always incredible. They offer a view of social and technological change that I find to be much more nuanced than the usual fare I find.
So thanks for the inspiration; I'm going to go write a snippet about this now. :)
Any progress?
Watching this in 2021 a week after an attempted coup on the american capitol was livestreamed.
"you go for the extrême, because if you're not extrême enough, your own side will think you're a traitor for the other side" That's incredible. 😮 Scary but true. Thx Tom for this vidéo, that inspired me for the graphic novel I'm writing.
"Hope nothing world-changing comes along" *cries*
It’s so crazy watching this and thinking about how popular twitch gaming has gotten nowadays. Thousands and thousands of people watch every day and it just seems to keep on rising.
I'll tell you the speed changed in 2020. It CHANGED. As in it is a stand still and has been canceled.
""the best you can do is hope that nothing world-changing comes along"
Hmm...
I always think back to this video whenever something happens. The phrase ‘were you watching when it did’ has stuck with me and as more and more massive events happen in the world, you see it unfold live.
I’m predicting that this whole pandemic is gonna be a catalyst for something like this, if someone ever does have a good idea.
It's happening and it's scary as hell
now that it is 2017 (2 years later) it is surprising how accurate that is. livestream is "the thing" if you want to watch an event you can go anywhere on the internet and see it.
Welcome to 2020
Well, he’s right about immediately live-streaming catastrophes. There were dozens of Jan. 6 livestreams
"Catastrophes"
Me in 2021: You guys didn't have mainstream live streaming services? I can think of 5 off the top of my head!
2020 - All the bloopers of the entire human history.
I just hope that if/when is does happen, that cameras either automatically crop video into landscape, or preferably send a small electric shock down the arm every time the camera is held incorrectly :-p
We've got worse problems than portrait images now.
It happened and it's not even 2020 yet.
TL;DR
Tom Scott doesn't understand why people get pissed off at ideologues.
Tom Scott makes reasonably believable predictions regardless.
Is Twitch not a successful streaming service? Sure, it's only to do with video games and it's only on computers and gaming consoles, but surely it was worth mentioning?
Twitch is accessible, and reliable on mobile as well.
Probably not for exactly the reason you mention. It's just for gaming and is thus limited to one community. He's talking about a service that's fully accessible to the mainstream that can be used for just about anything, including covering live events and actions of social change.
+Liam Robertson it's not a live streaming service for walking around
twitch is not live. not in the real sense of live. tom sadit to. its a minute or two in the past.
Well, 20 seconds give or take, and they have been rolling out faster broadcasting speeds that have 6 or 7 seconds delay.
Hitbox, on the other hand, is a steaming service with 3 or 4 seconds of delay, which I don't think will be getting shorter in the next few years, especially when streaming from a mobile device to a wireless network.
"Apple with their earbuds with the wire and the batteries" goodbye wires says Apple
Interesting, I would have brought up 9/11. IT was an event on TV sure, but everyone was watching TV at the time and everyone watched it happen live. The idea that that will become more common is very interesting.
Hey Tom, just wanted to say thanks for the videos you make. I love your enthusiasm and your style has helped me improve my own public speaking.
Based on how 2020 is coming along, the speed of overreaction is immeasurable.
Glad to finally find someone who thinks so too.
Hello from 2019.
It's worse now.
Please send help.
Hello from 2020.
It's even worse now.
Please send help.
I'm from two weeks after the last comment, it got worse. Help
Hello from 2 days after the last comment, it just got worse again. We're beyond help.
Hello from May 2020. It looks like it might get better...
at least for a bit.
Hello from the future. It doesn't get better.
I’m still laughing at “Ed Balls”
Amazing, please share more of these!
"You have to hope nothing life-changing happens"
2020: ha!
7:40 reminder that Shia Lebouf's live streams were raided for the lols, to go as far as finding flags based on what the clouds looked like. That was just to troll 1 guy, a single year later.
This is a really interesting talk that might be worth revisiting
the worst part of this is, there won't be a 2020 general election 😂
After the Turkish Coup and the Munich shootings I felt the need to come and watch this video. Because even as someone with no smartphone and not that tied in to social media I found myself following the periscopes of people live. I found myself hearing about the experience, live, from people on the ground and I feel so much closer to this destruction that I ever have.
Tom actually predicted the future, not in the way he wanted but Periscope did not take off but Facebook Live sure did.
Tom Scott: "...periscope..."
Me: Now that is a name i haven't heard in a long time.
this talk made me think of January 6th, alot of the people in the building were livestreaming and you can see all of the footage if you look around.
Looking at this through December 2021 eyes it is spookily and eerily prophetic.
Can't wait to see 2020 thinking digital now
Every time he says his name I hear "Tomska" and am now thinking of the The Orb.
But where did the Orb come from?
It came from The Hole.
*_sting_*
Almost 2019 and I feel like we're slowly getting there
Tom Scott is underrated. Then and now
Desperately want Tom to do a video response to this now!
Only halfway through the talk and he's already predicted:
Facebook Live
AirPods (or at least what may be in a future version of them)
wow...
Absolutely fascinating talk. Thank you so much for sharing!
Hey Tom Scott from 2015, 2020 talking. We are currently a bit behind due to events, you might get this in 2021. Enjoy the next *six* years.
Drop the Periscope. Just "Scope". It's cleaner.
+Chris Duffy Why doesn't this have a thumbs up? I'm giving this a thumbs up.
+otocan Thank you, I always thought that comment deserved some recognition :)
Damn straight it does! Sorry it took six months!
what about zoom
2015: why is there angry people with no reason?
2022: why is there frustrated people with reasons?
Conclusion? You just dont listen....~
Watching this video in 2020 is hilarious.
Some of this stuff is scarily accurate about the past few weeks in 2020
Great talk as always!
That day when you left your phone stand at home.
You never fail to amaze on these.
Watching this in late July 2020, 2015 Tom would be immensely disappointed in us
"Credible threats"
Coldly worded, serious sounding threats of murder arent actually credible, they're just someone trying very hard to sound dangrous and edgy to someone they're angry at. You hear this kind of thing sometimes in video game voice chats. But context and their teenage voice, there, makes it directly obvious that its nothing. A letter at ones door or a phone call is not actually any more credible though. Not in a world where its as easy as it is to find that information about most people, with just a bit of research.
Also that the FBI has released Documents saying that they weren't real or credible (and at least 3 of them were made by the people reporting them)
Most of them weren't credible but they were getting hundreds per day. A handful of the included personal information - like their home addresses - which greatly increases their credibility compared to just generic threats.
Welp, lookin at this in 2020 is kinda strange
Edit: And now, two weeks later, I am quarantined at home, with 2 online classes scheduled for today. Strange feeling, isn't it?
And it's know 4 years from this video, and it's still really good
Well Tom was certainly right about the rise of live video streaming. It wasn't Periscope it was Zoom. But what I find amazing is how bad the front facing camera seems in 2021. Even budget phones have decent selfie cameras these days.
It's Twitch, rather than Zoom. No one livestreams on Zoom for hundreds of followers, it's a work tool
The FBI didn’t deem the threat credible.
We never figured UA-cam’s algorithm because it’s too perfect for us mortals.
watching this in 2020 hits different
You are a truly interesting person to listen to Tom. You have the ability to engage people and not talk down to them combined with a great sense of humor!
That's something to think about. It's almost like we've come full circle back to the lynch mobs. Even if somebody does not actually get killed by a mob, their reputation can be ruined.