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maybe you could have make a bit more of a spin on it by making your own deck for each class. But thats just being overly polite
the whole thing is dumb, why would people care so much about it, you gave credit to the reddit guy you don't need to do more.
its a non-issue. u gave credit where credit was due and nothing less
You did literally nothing wrong
You did nothing wrong. Nobody cares except for a few people who are overly invested in the crowdsourced bad deck concept or people that already have beef with you for whatever reason. The fact that the process to create the bad deck took a lot of effort is irrelevant. The fact that you are a streamer is irrelevant. There's a reason why someone like MarkMcKz doesn't dump his combo ideas to reddit before making them into videos.
My guess is people are lashing out after starting to realize that building a really bad deck one card at a time over 40 days isn't going to result with anything fun or meaningful in the end and it was all just a huge waste of time.
Are we really at the point where playing the same deck as someone else is considered bad? Like honestly what is this, Rarran did everything completely fine.
Yeap, seems to me that someone in the future would be offended that people breath the same air as them
People are getting more and more comfortable with being disgusting and toxic beings. That's all.
@@Porkey798 just Reddit things
Yeah, at the end of the day Rarran is the bigger content creator and him giving more exposure to the guy will also give his video about the deck more views. Without Rarran's video I highly doubt that video will get more views.
Reddit is full of dipshits who don't understand a very simple concept.
I mean, the problem was the author of the deck wanted to record/stream it but Rarran didn't know so idk. Feels like a stretch and unnecessary drama on a chill streamer.
This drama feels so forced and fake, I feel like it's just Reddit being Reddit desperately trying to find more things to be mad about. If I were you I'd just give it a quick laugh and moved on.
same. redditards always find something to cry about
This. Reddit beign reddit.
Hearthstones reddit is a toxic cesspool. People are on there to try and feel smart while putting others down. They're a buncha sad nerds and you can almost smell the BO through the screen.
true:)
Big agree, Rarran did nothing wrong. Whoever posted that is gaining a ton more exposure than they normally would have.
I really don't like the "it brings them exposure" argument... They did not ask for exposure, it isn't a payment for those who do not want it, or value it.
Even without this argument Rarran didn't do anything wrong, he explained where he got the idea from, he showcased it in the stream for a long period of time, he linked the subreddit on the description, and is now waiting until the OC of the idea to post the video before he posts his.
Most people would agree that's more than enough, considering a lot people wouldn't even do any.
@@LikeAFemaleDog what do you mean they didn’t ask for exposure? Of course they did, they posted something online. That’s like putting a male dog in a room with a female dog in heat and saying “Oh I didn’t want puppies.” If you post something online, especially a chain of something on a fairly niche reddit, you HAVE to expect exposure from that community, and even more reaching in from outside the community, by spreading a cool post
@@thechickenlord9617 Posting something online doesn't necessarily mean they're looking for exposure, they could've been looking for feedback for example. Additionally, not every type of exposure is the same, maybe they did want exposure, in the sense that more and more people would be hyped for the eventual release of their video, but they didn't want the type of exposure Rarran gave, as it makes them feel like it'll detract from his video (it won't).
It's like paying on a currency you cannot currently use, maybe you'll be able to exchange it later, or maybe you cannot.
@maskedmagician5646 I would normally agree with you, but the entire reason people are mad is because they think Rarran "stole the hype". As in, they're worried Rarran's video might take attention away from the video that the Redditor wants to later release. This whole situation is about wanting more exposure. So "it brings more exposure" is a valid counter argument
When the game itself is so stale that doing this is considered drama worthy, i think it just goes to show how much impact rarran brings regarding Hearthstone content. He's making such good content and bringing it to such a wide audience that of course assholes are going to come out of the woodwork to drag him down
I honestly feel like Rarran is the only worthwhile creator for the game by now
I used to be big into the HS subreddit and contributed a lot to it. Even now I remember going on and seeing some of this guy’s posts about the bad deck. I am a prime potential viewer for this guy’s future video and I can guarantee that unless the UA-cam algorithm recommended me the video I wouldn’t have watched it. This is a non issue and no one did anything wrong. This is just an example of redditors living in their own weird bubble.
*EXACTLY*
I watch you and do not go on reddit almost ever.
I am happy you tried this very strange thing in hearthstone, and think it's at least fair that you gave credit to the original author as you did it.
If it was my post and idea, I'd be honoured!
The birthday analogy at 9:30 is absolutely wild.
A more honest version might be: you went to someone's birthday party, thought their cake looked great, made your own cake based on it, and then invited your own friends to watch you blow out the candles.
No, the real version is: Walmart sees some local baker making a beautiful custom-made cake and before they can sell it, Walmart takes the idea and finishes it to sell for their own gain.
I love Rarran and he had no ill intent but he just stole this guy's deck spotlight. The OC wanted to use this deck for his own content but now it's already a used idea which might kill curiosity and momentum for such a small channel as his. If the deck had been finished and the OC had done his first content with it, then it's fair game. Until then it's rude of Rarran to jump the gun and play it before the OC does.
@@jonaza2105 But you see the problem with your analogy is that the local baker is displaying purposefully how to make that custom cake by giving a tutorial for all to see. Your analogy makes sense only if the content creator and rarran spoke before he even made the first post on reddit about it and then rarran took it then i would agree with you otherwise we have to be upset about every piece of content that is made after someone make a tutorial about something.
Is it logical that there should be an uproar after I watch any tutorial on how to make a bird in photoshop and then do it and i get more view than the tutorial? If yes good for you but at that point nobody ever should stream because one guy had an idea to stream first and now we can't "copy" his idea anymore
@@jonaza2105 no, that's nonsense. People won't buy two cakes, they will watch two streams. Because the deck isn't done there's still novelty to it.
Really the only way this takes away anything is if the idea is just a huge, boring waste of time. If it's actual worthwhile content, this is building hype for the finished deck where as making content after would be trying to steal views by copying a successful concept.
@@jonaza2105If you don’t think this guy will get an exponential amount of more views because of Rarran’s video and reddit drama you are insane. I wouldn’t of ever see this Reddit guys deck actually strictly hate Reddit for this kind of cry baby crap. Type “worst deck ever”. In your Utube search this isn’t an original idea.
I highly suggest anyone trying to disprove me to go watch DarkViperAU's video series on react streamers and why they are parasites on content from smaller channels. No, big creators taking small creators ideas and using them for content does NOT give the small creator "exposure" as some want to argue here. Taking someone's idea and using it before they do is a dick move, no matter how you twist and turn it. Even more so if you're a big content creator like Rarran because you're just suffocating smaller creators. This is not a novel concept. This is why Rarran delisted his video until after the deck is finished. Attempting community engagement ≠ consent for others to take your idea.
I went to Day 1, it's community content - I don't think it's fair if any one person "owns" the deck list. Make whatever content you want.
"Rules are quite simple. The most upvoted card after a day is the one i add to the deck. Can be any card, as long as it is not already in to keep it fresh. If Renathal gets added it will go on for another couple days. If i lack a card, i will craft and add it. Point is not wasting my dust (feel free to) but making the worst possible deck.
After the deck is done i will play (and record if possible) it until i get a win in wild ranked match against a real (not bot) opponent on diamond 5-legend depending on my time.
This is a fun idea i had, feel free to make it terrible. I imagine the worst deck to have the worst cards and not be 30 10-drops but its in the hands of the community now."
People on reddit are getting angry because they wanted this idea to remain niche and unpopular so they can look at eachother and think "yes, we've all been through this since the beggining, together, partaking in this mysterious activity almost no knows about". They were getting a feeling of comradery and uniqueness from engaging in this process, as if they were in some kind of secret society.
I'm pretty sure that's their perspective and I understand how it made them mad that you revealed their project to the public, but you are not in the wrong, they could have just as well feel proud that their idea was recognised as interesting and worth sharing but decided to instead get mad that the outsider is using their secret formula.
9:46 TRUE, Reddit needs to be humbled imo. You’re not a genius for crowd sourcing a bad HS deck. It’s a good idea, but not worth literally ANY FUSS. W rarran moment
Reddit bad bruh, my man you are genralizing, OP himself said that it was fine and that he will even start streaming some other decks for fun on his own channel. It's not reddit's fault it's just that the people on the thread felt betrayed because they were still building the deck with the community, and Rarran playing it before it was finished felt real bad.
@@milothan-poirier570 you mean playing a different deck. Because as you said the deck is not finished, he was playing a similar but still a different bad deck.
Anyone invested in the process lost nothing, their deck isn't done yet.
And more importantly, who exactly are we talking about here? What's the actual number of people who knew about this, wanted to watch the final stream but won't because they already saw this one? And if you believe that these people exist, are there more of them or are there more people who heard about the upcoming stream by watching this one?
8:54 Hearing this from Rarran gives me a lot of respect for him, I remember being around when he was a smaller creator and this was the sort of thing that troubled him. Glad to see how much you've grown
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I see the biggest issue here is that someone on Reddit propped themselves up as an agent of morality and read so far between the lines that the answer they arrived at can be found on an English Composition exam. They then fired their conclusion into the void that is Reddit and the echo chamber ran with it until somehow Rarran was portrayed as a content stealing scumbag even though he did his due diligence and made sure to give credit where it was due. Those people need to log off of Reddit for a day.
My biggest reaction to all this is like… who cares, man? I heard “Rarran got into drama” and thought he called someone a slur or something, like, regardless of your opinion on the situation, it’s wild that this blew up at all, it’s a reddit post about a card game half a decade past its peak
I would never have known about this deck being made and probably wouldn't have watched a video about it if not for you tbh.
"I'm crowdsourcing this deck publicly."
"What do you mean someone from the crowd took my deck?"
Interestingly I've been rewatching some videos on a topic similar to this. The first thing to note is the decklist or idea was posted on a public forum. It is now out there and people are allowed to use that for themselves. So the issue then becomes that Rarran is streaming/making videos, essentially taking somebody elses work for themselves? Well, actually no he isn't. The real thing comes down to transformation. The idea may have come from another person or website, but Rarran absolutely transformed the content into his own unique stream. He also morally did the right thing and credited where he got the idea and information from. But this is very similar to response or criticism videos on youtube. If somebody took Rarrans video and then criticized him or added tons of weird visuals, or even just discussed his strategies and what not, it would be considered different than the original piece. As long as content is transformed, it isn't theft, it becomes something new. Rarran you kind of say this yourself, it doesn't stop anybody else, including the person behind the ideas, to also stream or make videos or anything like that. Their content will be unique and will have a different experience to Rarran in a variety of ways.
What I don't believe is a relevant point is the exposure argument. It doesn't matter how many people you are exposing it to at the end of the day. What matters is if you made the content your own, and naturally you did that. You didn't do anything wrong Rarran.
Bro i dont see anything wrong here, just a bunch of ppl crying on the net, it was kinda the same when u played f2p to leyend, ppl is just toxic bc they want to have the reason and feel good about it, how can be a freaking reddit post the same as streaming the whole thing, like other one said here on the comments if it werent for u prob no one would know about the reddit post. Much love rarran keep the awesome work ❤❤
This would have only been an issue if the creator specifically said they didn’t want their deck used, either ever or at least until they streamed their own video. Classic Reddit L, getting pissed for people who probably don’t even care in the first place
You gave the whole thing more exposure than it ever would have had in the first place. If they wanted this thing kept secret it shouldn't have been on a public forum to begin with
One thing I've noticed about the subreddit is they always love to take random digs against content creators they don't like whenever they gain a sliver of an opportunity to do so. It's rare they get any pushback, people just generally like to find random ass reasons to dislike someone. Those people don't care if Hearthstone does well, they just want to farm reddit karma and pretend like they're morally superior over someone with useless internet points lol.
You didn’t do anything wrong, they’re tweaking off the zaza
Honestly my bigger concern is how popular these "community sourced" posts on Reddit. It's low effort stuff that clogs the subreddit
The reason some people might feel like this is scummy is that when you let’s say create a sketch and 500 people see it. And than someone with larger platform takes the joke changes it a bit and reposts it with credit to you it still feels not really nice but there isn’t anything either side did wrong.
There is absolutely no issue with this. If anything, this would help the person making the deck far more than it never being covered at all. These very same people would be asking you to play the deck if you covered the deck, but never played it.
In my eyes you didn't do anything wrong. You credited the original poster and acknowledged it at the start of the stream. In fact, now I might check out the video on the completed 40 card deck now that you've shed light on it
I think the major disappointment for OP was that he was trying to create hype about it before playing his deck on stream to hopefully garner some viewers. This situation is really similar to what happened to reynad when he was sharing the open development of the bazaar and some unique ideas were copied and implemented into other games before his own. It sucks but his personal comment about that was just to present a finished idea when it is ready and not to share the ideas beforehand. Inherently I do not think there's anything you've done wrong but the internet will always find a way to be offended.
I never comment but this time I had to. I just want you to know that I really enjoy your content and you 100% got me back into hearthstone about a year ago and now fairly regularly hit diamond. I appreciate your work and how you are always real. I don't see anything wrong with what you did and it is just a further example of the time and care you put into your videos. I feel like people who play games like these have a hard time surviving due to issues like this and the stress it causes them. I hope you know there are people who genuinely care about you and your content. ❤
Hey bro just don’t forget that Reddit tried to make a homeowner feel bad when he was mad that a marathon runner took a shit in HIS yard. 😂
I also don`t understand the opinion of those people in the comments. My advice don`t listen to comments that don`t make sense because there will always be someone who takes offense. Still props to you for addressing it.:)
Rarran is one of the best CCG content creators. I got out of hearthstone a while ago but his content is always entertaining. I play and watch other games now and I wish we had someone like Rarran in those communities
Reddit people doing Reddit stuff (aka raging to whatsoever for no reason)
"I posted my script to the public forum and someone turned it into a movie! everyone knows scripts are meant to be shredded at first sight, y'all trully betrayed me"
I cannot even imagine why using a forum post as a video idea would be so important. It's just a decklist, it's just a reddit post
Giving credit is all that's necessary for doing this responsibly
I think the best way would've been to probably wait until they already had released something for you to direct people to. Cuz like you say, a lot of this audience don't really use Reddit, but if he already had a stream/video to plug that could actually have some beneficial impact in terms of exposure. That might be something this audience would be more open to.
It's tricky for sure tho, becuz there is a big difference in creator size between you two. So when (in very basic terms) they have the idea, but you have the audience, it's hard to find the best and most equitable way for both creators to have a positive outcome.
In short though, I don't think you did anything "wrong". But perhaps it could've been "more right", if that makes sense.
Much love, glad to see you bring this up in a constructive manner, super respectable!
As far as I understand, it wasnt common knowledge that the goal was to turn it into content.
Rarran you are amazing!! Keep doing what you do. UA-cam is a better place thanks to you!
If anything, its giving them more exposure rather than taking anything away from them
As an average hearthstone Andy that follows Reddit, I will say. I saw his post before your video and I never clicked into it. You are the only "hearthstone" ytber I watch, not because of your skill or the game, but because your content is entertaining. Like I'm not even subbed to this channel. I'd imagine there are thousands like me, who will never see what that creator will post unless the algorithm really play into his favour. And for the birthday cake analogy, this is more similar to comparing who can blow out more candles with one breath. Which for a smaller creator, you rather have someone to come blow with you than no one coming to your party at all
I distinctly remember a couple years ago when Noxious was getting into MTG Arena, and took a tiny and unknown youtuber's HYPER CANCER decklist for a spin, explaining as you did where he got the idea from. Thanks to that, I and a lot of people found this MTGOriginalDecks guy, and now he's at 100k subs. The idea of "stealing" ideas is just laughable
maybe my opinion isn't that valuable on this because i am a creator, albeit a small creator, but i really don't think there's anything wrong with what you did in the first place, and the fact that you gave them credit is just a bonus
if anything you're helping them out by giving it more exposure
You didn’t do anything unethical Rarran. You giving credit was right. Some people give “credit” by forgetting the creators name and say it’s on Reddit. You gave them more fame, and if someone is intrigued by their idea they’ll get more fans because of you. You’re good dude
i am a new viewer of yours and been enjoying your content and honestly i appreciate that you felt the need to make this video. it shows at your core ur just a good person trying to do right and i fuck with that mate. anyways im pretty sure you havnt done a damn thing wrong not even a little bit and these people are just saying this shit without thinking or watching the full video and to me thats abundantly obvious. My 2 cents is just ignore them the best you can and do what you know is right
“I fuck with that” is such a good expression
If anything, you helped the OP of the reddit post. You gave it more attention which in turn, may/will result in giving them more exposure and more views.
Also, no offense to this guy but you're not taking any views from this guy cos he wasn't gonna get them regardless. People aren't watching the vid for the idea specifically, they're watching it cos YOU are making it
I know it's been a month but, I found you through a video recommendation of one of the Reynad videos, I forget exactly which one it was. I only watched that video because I knew who Reynad was and I hadn't seen anything from him in a while so I watched it to see what was up. I use to play hearthstone and more recently (last few years) if I ever opened the game it was to play specifically battlegrounds. I don't play hearthstone anymore, I don't keep up with set releases or anything. I watched a few more of your videos, some of the guess how strong these mtg/yugioh etc cards are, but until your first video with Voxy I never watched a heap of your stuff. (I used to play MTG a lot and don't much anymore but I still watch some magic content sometimes so I knew of Voxy).
Ever since that video I've been watching all of yours and Voxy's hearthstone stuff, I would never have known that, that deck was a thing that was being made by reddit, and likely due to how youtube works I would not have seen the video the person would've made on it, and even if I did, I likely would not have clicked on it. When I watch hearthstone videos I'm watching for the person presenting the video not the game or even the content of the video itself.
I may or may not be in the minority with that experience but you making the video of that deck definitely made it reach a larger audience than the initial poster ever could've let it reach, if the reddit threads had more interaction maybe there would be a case for saying otherwise but it doesn't appear to be the case in this video.
In my mind as an impartial observer that doesn't care about hearthstone in the slightest, you didn't do anything wrong. As you said in this video/stream, they put the idea out into the world what the world does with it cannot then be controlled by them.
If you wanted to be more sensitive about this stuff in the future, perhaps messaging the creator before doing the idea yourself, then waiting for them to make the video, and then referencing that video as opposed to the reddit thread could be a good way to go about it without leaving a sour taste in peoples mouths. Even if you don't need to do something like this because there isn't anything wrong with what you did in the first place, it would at the very least give people a better feeling a perception towards you. It goes from a "This guy stole my idea before I got to do it." to a, "oh look this big creator thinks my idea is cool and would like to make their own video on it using mine as reference/a jumping off point."
Sometimes even though you haven't done anything wrong you can definitely do things in such a way that leaves people more satisfied and happy. Whether or not that's something you care about is entirely up to you and I think most people wouldn't care either way.
Personally I just love watching your content, I find your videos very funny and interesting spins on the classic hearthstone gameplay. They always make for a good viewing experience.
Also as an MTG player I can't wait to see your MTG videos and watch you learn the game, hope to see coach Voxy on the sidelines in some of these too I think it would be very fun, you two make a great content duo.
This is absolutely insane. I can't even believe something like this became an "issue" for some. I am sorry, but world has gone crazy.
The only proper way to settle this is with a duel.
worst deck Vs worst deck
So let me get this straight: Rarran gives credit to the creator, tweaks the idea based on his ideas, and then ppl are still mad? Maybe just do a collab with OP see who truly has the worst Deck
But Rarran, don't you know that people only watch the first person to make content about 1 thing? Like look up the latest twitch drama, surely there won't be videos from dozens of creators, speaking about the same thing, and all of them having millions of views. (to be real, yeah if you knew they planed to stream it, it would have been a nice curtesy to wait for them to do it, but absolutly not required, and you even put your own spin on it...)
I casual r/hearthstone. You've done literally nothing wrong. It's publically available information and you even gave them credit.
I see nothing wrong with what you did, in fact I come from a mtg background and this discussion happened/happens too often (ofc, because it's about content creation not the game itself)
The content creator I follow mostly there (UMotivo) said some VERY good arguments why doing this kind of stuff is actually better for the smaller creator, the main one being the algorithm WILL most likely show the other person's on the recommended videos due to the fact that: 1- you two are playing the same-ish deck, 2- you actually mentioned him and will probably link his content alongside your, 3- you have a much bigger reach than reddit (I myself haven't touched hearthstone in 4+ years but watch you for content)
So yeah, posting your gameplay is actually better for the person creating the deck, and i would say a bit more, you actually make your viewers aware of this hole community thing so they can actually follow and interact with it.
Keep up with the great content Rarran 🎉🎉
The Hearthstone subreddit can be an absolute cesspool. Like just how incredibly negatively they talk about Zeddy, you can dislike his videos sure, but jesus christ the amount of vile comments towards him there is insance
I dont think you did anything wrong here.
The problem here, i think, is that people in niche bubbles tend to get really upset, when a "bid dude" gets involved in their stuff.
Lets say you would have waited 10+ days after he finished his deck and then streamed the day 31 version bc you think it fits the theme better. The same people would have been upset about you "misusing" his idea.
Even if you played the finished deck without changes, poeple would be upset. "Rarran has no original ideas anymore", "he has to copy ideas from a small community...", etc.
And if you took the concept and created your own deck from scratch, there would have been comments calling you out for stealing the idea.
A learning opportunity could be to weigh up, if an idea for conent, that didn't originate from you, would be worth the troubble should said community see you as intruder.
In the artform of magic, no inventor would publish his trick and it's construction whilst constructing and complain if someone showed it before he put his last stamp on it.
Yea just Reddit being Reddit. Big respect for responding and being careful about this kind of thing!
What you did is totally fine and no one should give you shit for it , it's just internet people overreacting as usual , don't bother with them , thumbs up to you to take into consideration these people's opinions but you did nothing wrong .
Man i'm going to be completely honest, all your argument is 100% correct, the ones that should learn from their mistakes are the ones that write those things without thinking about all the possible logical arguments. First mistake, post a deck in public when your idea is to make a video from it, second mistake think that all your viewers would see their deck without you being in that video, and all the rest of the arguments you already stated. Maybe you can't say it like me because would be "rude" but normal people don't think logically too often and get mad about their own nonsense, and this is just an example of it, keep it up!
Imagining thinking reddit has an input
Nothing was done wrong. Credit was give. I think if the original creator of the deck was worried they should have reached out to you personally. Mountains have been made of a molehill.
After I watch a video on a subject I don't stop watching videos on that same subject. it's a mute point... I can watch your video on the worst deck in HS ever and then watch his, it's about the deck at the end of the day, it's about if you can win with it or not. The same point you made about picking a high legend deck from someone and making a video on it, I can watch multiple people playing the same exact deck, it's about how the games go, how it's piloted, the editing... "Stealing" his idea is the most reddit argument ever
This has got to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. I get where people are coming from when they think others have stolen the idea, but here’s why it doesn’t work in this context.
1. You did give full credit to the guy, that should already have solved the issue.
2. It’s an argument on Reddit, the angriest place on the internet.
3. It’s a f***ing deck of cards. You can’t “copyright” a deck list and others shouldn’t be pissed if you run a modified version of it. Seriously, people mad over a deck list is incredibly childish. This is one of those arguments that makes me hate the internet and how stupid people are on it. You are fully in the right, Rarran, Reddit is just so toxic they’ll make things up to get mad about.
I don't even use Reddit, i literally would not have known about that other guy if not for Rarran
We're with you Rarran, this is stupid terminally online reddit stuff. You're the best hearthstone creator on the website man.
The idea of "deck ownwership" in card games is a weird concept to me. Ill never inderstand it.
Rarran, you are chilling my guy. Don’t sweat this, I think it’s great that you’re self improving! But don’t worry about this one
Fine by me! You shout out the creator of the idea, it's all good
Overall, I totally agree with you and it seems they're just too anxious about their own work + the usual reddit being reddit and egging other on while being uneducated. The only problem with the logic of 'if I post a video of something the people watching are mostly watching it because I posted it' that I see is that personally if the idea is unique enough I will only watch it once and it's mostly the first video that pops up from all the people that I am subbed to. That said, it mostly applies to youtubers that I are at least somewhat big like you, Regis, Trump, Kripp etc. It's not gonna be some random dude from reddit
The equivalent to this is if the creator of nuzlocke challenge on pokemon games started complaining about all the people making nuzlocke challenge videos on youtube.
the whole point of sites like reddit is to share your idea with others who are interested in the same things as you this whole argument makes no sense
this is a non issue
Stupid Drama. I'd have never heard of this person without your video. You're increasing their exposure, not taking away from it.
Same people will whine about copyright yet think a basically random selection of cards is property of the Vatican library.
To quote Mr Burnham "The backlash to the backlash to the thing that's just begun..."
This is the culture of outrage at its finest
Personally, I think that if you had known he was planning on streaming it, and decided to stream it first, then yeah, that would be scummy.
However, considering the steps you have taken since then, I think you are solid, and posting this discussion is a good mentality to have IMO.
this is just lame. theyre utilizing a public forum and trying to call dibs on something that is not even their own hard work but a collaborative effort from a community? This isnt even an original idea. Plenty of people have done worst possible deck videos. Everyone who finds anything wrong with this needs to touch grass.
@@404schmoozernotfound the only thing these animals need to touch is fire. they shouldn't be allowed to live.
Okay, so reaction content (which is basically what this was about for the people upset) is kinda complicated. I have seen some folks say it absolutely helped their content get wider exposure, while others have said it really doesn’t help much at all and their channel didn’t grow by more than a half dozen subscribers despite hundreds of thousands of views to the reactor. Which one is more often the case I got no clue, and I am not gonna tell anyone their experience is wrong.
I get them being upset though, they put 40 hours into creating something someone then just watches and makes money off of with next to zero effort input by themselves.
But Rarran’s video really doesn’t seem applicable to that. First, he actually played the deck. He didn’t just make a video looking at the current image and say what cards are in it for 10 minutes. The content of the stream was still Rarran DOING things, transformative art and all that.
If the original creator reached out and asked Rarran to take down the stream then sure, it would be the considerate thing to do. But just playing a version of the deck on a stream is perfectly fine. The hearthstone reddit just sounds like it is full of insufferable assholes.
I mostly agree with you and don't think you did anything bad really but don't agree with your exposure reasoning. If people were waiting for the deck and hyped to see it played eventually then swooping in beforehand does not just help them out.
To be honest Im watching Rarran, not hearthstone. I dont even play hearthstone anymore. You hella funny
What the creator of the post said about the situation? Because it seems like a lot of people are talking but the main person is silent. It would be good to hear his opinion and see the result.
Rarran this is honestly a Non-issue, people get upset over everything. There is no "in the wrong" here.
Honestly this whole thing is just blown out of proportion lol
Best fix right now. When they finish their 40 card list. Play then with your 30 cars list. Have them do the stream or upload on their channel. Then host it when it’s live or promote it so your followers are exposed to their channel. Turn it into a real way of them getting exposure.
This is unfortunately how internet works. With how many people can access the content, there will be always someone who will complain about dumb things. There is simply no way to satisfy everyone.
I start writing this message while watching, so there are probably thing's you'll mention as well, but I want to share my "unbiased" opinion, I'm really curious how many of my statements you have as well. ;)
I see no problem here - as you said, it's like taking someone's deck list and playing it yourself, that's pretty common in HS (and all other games) content creators world. Heck, I think there are very little content creators who creates their deck from scratch - and you don't watch their videos for these decks most of the time - rather their personalities.
By analogy - he had idea for worst deck, it's like someone comes with "hey, this new card, King Toggwagle has nice effect, create some deck around it to mill your opponent!" and now many other players tries to create this deck (but that's not their idea). Bold statement - content creator like Kibler has to put much more efforts into their ideas, as they have to come up with cards and refining their deck list. Here it's community that did all this work, so this person contribution is idea and time to post all these reddit posts.
So don't worry Rarran, in my opinion you did nothing wrong (not that my opinion is meaningful and changes anything :P), and remember - internet, especially reddit, especially HS subreddit can be really toxic and dumpster. People likes to voice their negativity and it's probably 0.1% of community that is the most vocal part. Also -there are people that don't like other successful people so they'll always find some way to show their frustration "because they're doing better than me!". :)
the cause of misunderstanding here is quite simple: Rarran is a business, while this person is just a person. Every single one of Rarran's arguments here is somehow related to exposure, revenue, and things like that, while not everyone is actually pursuing these goals - the person just wanted dibs on experiencing the deck for the first time, it's that simple. If I came up with a wacky crowdsourced idea, for me it would be a fun and unique experience and I wouldn't want it to first become one in a long line of daily uploads of a popular streamer, it would take the fun out of the whole experience. That's why the XQC example doesn't work - none of you have that much personal attachment to content you pump out, so it is fair to discuss it in terms of revenue and such, after all it's basically just your daily video becoming another person's daily video, no big deal. Plus, they're both probably monetised, so it's just a fair business competition, nothing more; while if I created an idea meant explicitly for fun and someone decided to turn make money off it I'd be very very upset
Rarran, I have no idea how playing a hearthstone deck can somehow make people mad, don't worry about what they're saying just keep doing what you're doing, and that is singlehandedly keeping hearthstone alive!
Ngl, this kinda reminds me of some of the more trivial digital art community drama, albeit maybe not quite as bad, considering that there are people in some places who think you can steal a color palette.
I stumbled on this and I think you did nothing wrong and are pretty great/thoughtful towards the original creator
I feel posting cards online has the implicit subtext of letting others use it?
Because why would you post it otherwise. Idk, I don't think he's at fault if he explains where he got the list from.
I get why people get mad about this.
But my personal opinion is basically 100% what you're saying. I think the normal decklist analogy is on point. Someone produced a deck, you played it with a slight tweak and you gave them proper credit. That's it.
I think there's some merit to the idea of "they want to be the first person to try their own idea" but I also agree with you that I think you actually give them more views rather than take away from them.
If you wanted to play the full deck, I think there would be more of a case of being polite and waiting for a bit, but... you didn't even know they want to record that. And you made your own spin on this. So even the hypothetical bunch of people who only ever watch this deck once... have still the motivation to watch the full deck. Because that's the original idea. If any sort of spin on that idea makes people not want to watch this, then nobody would watch this at all - there has been plenty of "Imma play the worst crap" decks in the history.
I think making the pause with the edited video is a nice and polite move and thumbs up for that. But I don't even think the DM prior to a stream would have been correct. Because that implies you actually care about their response. And I don't think that person has any right to tell you "no, you can't stream this spin on my deck". And asking without caring about the response is just disingenuous.
Does anyone know the background music name?
I trademark all decks I make so I can sue anyone who has the same idea.
if my idea was taken by a big streamer which credited me i would be happy asf. First it would be a confidence boost because it means im in the right way. second its free marketing...
It is a ridiculous notion to imply that there is any harmdoing in copying/playing/rating a deck you posted online for a video game. There is absolutely nothing done wrong in Rarran's part and I am saying this as someone fairly new to his content. Are we supposed to start looking for trademarks under deck builds now in fear that someone might feel robbed or offended If we use them? What is this world coming to man. At the end of the day If that person wanted to be the first to stream gameplay of these decks then maybe, just maybe it's on them for not doing that before posting it all online. Like others have said and because apparently silly drama like this happens often online and many times it won't be something you have control on, try just laughing it off and moving on. Some things just don't deserve attention
I’ve been apart of other TCGS and sometimes you just do something “wrong” to the wrong person.
no issue here with me. I've been following the deck on reddit waiting for it to finish so others would make a video on it
Rarran, I have a great solution for you: Raid that person.
Reddit gonna Reddit, watcha gonna do
Posting your deck on a public forum and then not expecting people to play it is bonkers.
Hearing him explain this was so fucking stupid, it’s amazing what passes for controversy nowadays
I don't like the whole "bringing exposure" idea. But other then that I don't think you did nothing wrong. Playing other peoples decks, especially with credit, is absolutely fine. Also I personally don't think I would ever stumble apon that persons video on that deck if you never did that stream.