Mid tiers in Ultimate can go far in tournaments with a good bracket piloted by a good player. Very capable of making upsets and should not be slept on.
7:37 "Young Link is a combo centric character with zoning to-those being his bombs, arrows, and his boomerang. Young Link is a combo centric character with zoning tools, those being his bombs, arrows, and his boomerang." Honest Content 2024
As a Luigi (kinda?) main, the reason why he’s mid tier is because although he has the infamous zero to death, he has horrible, maybe even the worst air speed in the game. His recovery is also quite bad, all you have to do is body block green missile. However there are some players like Raru, who are just on another level. I do think he should be top mid tier or bottom high tier
Raru managed to win a Major with Luigi. Heck, I can't think of a Single Luigi player who DIDN'T get Top 8 at a Major at some point. He's got to be High Tier.
-Hot Take: Vanilla Ult Pichu was overrated. Most of his early hype was cause the game was new, unoptimized as many of his strong combos were on the simpler side, along with being a returning Melee vet with the additional perception of "OMG Pichu's actually good!". Especially since we had less thorough resources such as frame data and hitboxes visualizers. While his nerfs were enough to drop him down a tier, they tend to get overblown since Pichu isn't much easier to hit, his self-damage is barely higher (it's still chip damage), and F-Tilt can be hard to land due to be being stubby, while the hitbox that 2-frames lasts for only a single frame. The character is just too frail, too stubby and has worse offensive options then Pika with the lack of hitbox on Up-B and being slower with a T-Jolt that's harder to combo off of. Along with people figuring out how to escape Bair loops & Thunder on-stage. (The latter of which really sucks and should have been fixed) There's other characters with similar strengths without the extreme downsides. Even if he wasn't nerfed, he'd have no chance at being Top Tier in the current meta. Heck even in an optimized, release day Ult meta, I'd argue he would have greatly struggled to maintain Top Tier.
Remenber when Pichu was in conversations considered the best character in the early metagame of the game, along with Peach (and Daisy) Yeah, good times😔
28:19 Did you overlook Pichu? Because he's lighter than Puff by six weight units in game. Pichu is 62 and Puff is 68, being almost two times lighter than Ganon, DK, DDD, K. Rool, and Bowser.
The funny thing is that in the world of smash, all these characters are still upper high tier and regular high tier. Mid tier is more like Ike and Simon so all these characters are broken in conclusion.
I've been using Duck Hunt online to exploit a glitch with his final smash, and one thing that strikes me about him from when I'm forced to use him normally is that he doesn't have a lot of KO options outside of his smash attacks. Back air and up air are decent, but other than that, you kinda have to use his smash attacks.
Pre-Watch Opinions: They're pretty good. They can go on strong tournament runs and works as solid Secondary/Pockets. Some could go even higher, though many of them got overshadowed by DLC and I'm not holding my breath they will rise up to their potential while Ult's metagame is still hot. Also RIP 13.03 still offering no balance changes.
Hero had 1 valid case for being banned. Language barrier+down b. Smash being a global game means this can 100% come up and if u cant read the down b menu u jave no idea what hero has waiting for u, and you may charge into a thwack without realizing it. This is something easilly fixed (custom icons for each spell) but Nintendo isnt built like that.
Marth's new tippers are not a whole lot different than they were in smash 4. The problem for marth stems from the fact that ultimate is a much faster game with characters able get in and out of his range more quickly. Marth's ability to kill off stray hits is less desirable in ultimate that favors punishing and edge guarding. Marth's range has also been heavily power crept. Marth also received a lot of major nerfs to other parts of his kit. A big one is up throw killing significantly later at around 190. Marth's jab went from an amazing roy-esque combo tool to an extremely underwhelming jab.
I’m actually a Captain Falcon Main so I know it is hard for me get good results with him, but I just had to stick with him because I like the character.
This goes to show just how well balanced Smash Ultimate is compared to previous Smash games and even most fighting games in general. This game has 80+ characters and at least 70 of them are viable.
All of them are actually I've seen Ganondorfs and Little Macs succeed, they finally cracked the code as to how to make Ganondorf Succeed, and that was his punish game. Ganondorf is basically the king of punish games, if you mess up ONCE and the ganon player reads it, it's going to hurt big time.
@@Callie_with_a_bible Yeah. The only other Smash game that's more balanced than Ultimate is the original Smash for N64. In that game all 12 characters are completely viable and there's almost no matchups worse than 60/40.
The thing is… mid tiers in ultimate are the most interesting characters. Despite not being top, they are also some of the most infamous characters in the game. Ness with pk fire Luigis grab (yay they made it even more obnoxious) Sephiroth memed for DA BIG SWORD Ice climbers for their… interesting and simple combos Hero for… being sakurais sneaky way of putting casual smash into competitive smash as a big “fuck you” for making smash bros a big e sport And then theres my favorite. Ridley. A character who I feel can be alot higher. Although his recovery is kind of surprising meh. Up b can’t be angled anywhere like with say sephiroth up b. Which has led me to some “bruh” deaths. And it took me forever to learn that.
Honestly, I think all of Ultimate's Mid Tiers have a lot of potential to win tournaments, especially characters like Greninja, Falco, Mii Brawler and Meta Knight (I'm totally not a Greninja and Meta Knight main)
Makes you think there are so many characters in Ultimate, you pull a page out of Marvel 2's book and do a "low tier" tournament where you remove the top of the roster and see how the meta would develop if there wasn't a top tier presence.
@@Daniel982-d7z Yeah no shit you didn't say it was his tier list but you telling him that luigi isn't mid tier makes it seems like its his tier list even tho its not 💀that's what i mean't by your comment
@@Daniel982-d7z Dude u literally was telling him to watch raru after u said luigi isnt mid tier, which means you did was ''telling him'' so wtf u mean u wasnt telling him when u literally told him to watch raru? ur talking nonsense rn
People don't talk about it very much but Ult has a massive OCEAN of underexplored midtier characters (My personal favorite is Captain Falcon.) There's a lot of viable characters who theoretically should be good but just end up with a middling rank because they don't have enough privilege to perform as consistently compared to the FP2 characters
I love how some mid/high tiers are so solid in this game, to the point their best players rate them extremely highly. Asimo (best ryu in the world) think he’s the best character in game. Bloom4eva (one of the best Bayo players) thinks Bayo is top 3 in the game! :3
If gunner would have been legal in Smash 4, they would have been the worst character in the game. That's not just pretty bad. But to go into detail as to each Mii in Sm4sh here is what tier they'd roughly be in if they were all legal: S: Mii Brawler (I can guarantee it would be at worst 5th, but possibly #2 only because you weren't allowed to be the best spread on them that would put them above Bayonetta more easily. Think Brawler now with crazier damage and kill combos) E: Mii Swordfighter (I don't remember how bad they were exactly, but I think they were similar in viability as Charizard) F: Mii Gunner In Ultimate they are a all closer in strength for sure, but Swordfighter and Gunner are definitely better than Sm4sh.
It's crazy just how low on the tier list some real heavy hitters like Bowser and King K. Rool are. You'd think realistically that they'd be some of the best characters in the game with how hard they hit, but what really surprises me is how low Inkling of all characters is!
About the... Modifications to Nintendo games, I'm curious if that could get your account in trouble from Nintendo cus they're be schnasty. Why not branch out to things like Multiversus or Nick?
its super hard but Lucas has a true universal semi-infinite (goes up to 300%) with footstool djcz, dubbed fruitloops. Lucas should definitely be higher on the tierlists but considering he's so hard and no one is good, he's stuck down at the bottom of mid tier. Djcz just makes his character what he is, but its so hard. Oh and since it's from a single grounded footstool it can be done oos, but also from other moves like dtilt and regular djcz inclusing from ledge.
@@ABC-ik9vj well I don’t disagree with you, it’s just that my tiers are huge so for me character like Ridley and Lucario is still in my low end of high tier lol. Realistically, he’s high tier, but in smash ultimate if you have big tiers, he’s upper high
Mid tiers in Ultimate can go far in tournaments with a good bracket piloted by a good player. Very capable of making upsets and should not be slept on.
The mid tiers can go far cause there not mid tier 😭😭
@@Syrup-n3tnot everyone can be a high tier
Luigi is NOT a mid tier. He’s going to go up to high in the next tier list.
@HuneeBruh yeah, that would mean a game with like 80 characters would have to be balanced. Good luck with that.
7:37 "Young Link is a combo centric character with zoning to-those being his bombs, arrows, and his boomerang. Young Link is a combo centric character with zoning tools, those being his bombs, arrows, and his boomerang." Honest Content 2024
He’s just that good
i like Honest's vids but his editing is def pretty sloppy
@@moddedpan4252 It used to be good, but kind of fell off over the summer.
As a Luigi (kinda?) main, the reason why he’s mid tier is because although he has the infamous zero to death, he has horrible, maybe even the worst air speed in the game. His recovery is also quite bad, all you have to do is body block green missile. However there are some players like Raru, who are just on another level. I do think he should be top mid tier or bottom high tier
Raru managed to win a Major with Luigi.
Heck, I can't think of a Single Luigi player who DIDN'T get Top 8 at a Major at some point.
He's got to be High Tier.
Luigi won a couple majors in Japan via Raru.
Imagine seeing Luigi’s successful 2024 and still thinking he’s a mid tier 😂
cause he is
S tier is top tier
A tier is high tier
B tier to C tier is Mid tiers
D tier is Low tier
and E tier is bottom tier
@@fakesupreme0184cos the official tier list is restarted. luigi has better results than mario
@@randompianist8359 tell that to the best players that made this tier list
This tierlist is a community tierlist and it was made last year. It doesn’t take into consideration Raru’s amazing tournament results from 2024
Luigi’s gonna go up in the next tier list. And yes Luigi is better than Mario period.
-Hot Take: Vanilla Ult Pichu was overrated.
Most of his early hype was cause the game was new, unoptimized as many of his strong combos were on the simpler side, along with being a returning Melee vet with the additional perception of "OMG Pichu's actually good!". Especially since we had less thorough resources such as frame data and hitboxes visualizers.
While his nerfs were enough to drop him down a tier, they tend to get overblown since Pichu isn't much easier to hit, his self-damage is barely higher (it's still chip damage), and F-Tilt can be hard to land due to be being stubby, while the hitbox that 2-frames lasts for only a single frame.
The character is just too frail, too stubby and has worse offensive options then Pika with the lack of hitbox on Up-B and being slower with a T-Jolt that's harder to combo off of. Along with people figuring out how to escape Bair loops & Thunder on-stage. (The latter of which really sucks and should have been fixed) There's other characters with similar strengths without the extreme downsides.
Even if he wasn't nerfed, he'd have no chance at being Top Tier in the current meta.
Heck even in an optimized, release day Ult meta, I'd argue he would have greatly struggled to maintain Top Tier.
Remenber when Pichu was in conversations considered the best character in the early metagame of the game, along with Peach (and Daisy)
Yeah, good times😔
And ZSS
A shame Japan came and destroyed the metagame😢
Hell nah you tripping 😂
Those were the days. I’m a Pichu main and will never forget how many players were playing and talking about Pichu.
> video about mid tiers
> starts talking about a top 15 character
these guys are the closest we will ever have to normal characters in smash bros ultimate
Ken and Young Link are NOT normal characters let's be fr
Neither is Luigi or Hero
@@ebrahimfawad940 My point exactly
Every character in the thumbnail is high tier 💀
28:19 Did you overlook Pichu? Because he's lighter than Puff by six weight units in game.
Pichu is 62 and Puff is 68, being almost two times lighter than Ganon, DK, DDD, K. Rool, and Bowser.
The funny thing is that in the world of smash, all these characters are still upper high tier and regular high tier. Mid tier is more like Ike and Simon so all these characters are broken in conclusion.
That’s a funny way if saying Ike and bottom 10 (officially)
In every other Smash Game the higher mid tiers would be top tiers and the lower mid tiers would be upper mid tiers
I've been using Duck Hunt online to exploit a glitch with his final smash, and one thing that strikes me about him from when I'm forced to use him normally is that he doesn't have a lot of KO options outside of his smash attacks. Back air and up air are decent, but other than that, you kinda have to use his smash attacks.
And then we have that one battle where Luigi 0-deathed Steve twice in a row
Pre-Watch Opinions: They're pretty good. They can go on strong tournament runs and works as solid Secondary/Pockets.
Some could go even higher, though many of them got overshadowed by DLC and I'm not holding my breath they will rise up to their potential while Ult's metagame is still hot.
Also RIP 13.03 still offering no balance changes.
What about after-watch opinions?
Hero had 1 valid case for being banned. Language barrier+down b. Smash being a global game means this can 100% come up and if u cant read the down b menu u jave no idea what hero has waiting for u, and you may charge into a thwack without realizing it. This is something easilly fixed (custom icons for each spell) but Nintendo isnt built like that.
Marth's new tippers are not a whole lot different than they were in smash 4. The problem for marth stems from the fact that ultimate is a much faster game with characters able get in and out of his range more quickly. Marth's ability to kill off stray hits is less desirable in ultimate that favors punishing and edge guarding. Marth's range has also been heavily power crept. Marth also received a lot of major nerfs to other parts of his kit. A big one is up throw killing significantly later at around 190. Marth's jab went from an amazing roy-esque combo tool to an extremely underwhelming jab.
My top 3 mains in Ultimate are all Mid tiers, nice to see you talk about them after the high and low tiers of Ultimate!
I’m actually a Captain Falcon Main so I know it is hard for me get good results with him, but I just had to stick with him because I like the character.
Yea I don’t agree with some of these characters being mid tier, some should definitely be way higher
i think ness should be way higher tbh
This goes to show just how well balanced Smash Ultimate is compared to previous Smash games and even most fighting games in general. This game has 80+ characters and at least 70 of them are viable.
All of them are actually
I've seen Ganondorfs and Little Macs succeed, they finally cracked the code as to how to make Ganondorf Succeed, and that was his punish game.
Ganondorf is basically the king of punish games, if you mess up ONCE and the ganon player reads it, it's going to hurt big time.
@@Callie_with_a_bible Yeah. The only other Smash game that's more balanced than Ultimate is the original Smash for N64. In that game all 12 characters are completely viable and there's almost no matchups worse than 60/40.
@@lukejones7164 And then there's Brawl.....which has a 95 : 5 matchup
@@Callie_with_a_bibleit has like 3
And one doesn’t even involve Ganon or metaknight lol
@@lpgoodgamer7137 Yeah Marth Vs Ness
The thing is… mid tiers in ultimate are the most interesting characters.
Despite not being top, they are also some of the most infamous characters in the game.
Ness with pk fire
Luigis grab (yay they made it even more obnoxious)
Sephiroth memed for DA BIG SWORD
Ice climbers for their… interesting and simple combos
Hero for… being sakurais sneaky way of putting casual smash into competitive smash as a big “fuck you” for making smash bros a big e sport
And then theres my favorite. Ridley. A character who I feel can be alot higher. Although his recovery is kind of surprising meh. Up b can’t be angled anywhere like with say sephiroth up b. Which has led me to some “bruh” deaths. And it took me forever to learn that.
Honestly, I think all of Ultimate's Mid Tiers have a lot of potential to win tournaments, especially characters like Greninja, Falco, Mii Brawler and Meta Knight (I'm totally not a Greninja and Meta Knight main)
Makes you think there are so many characters in Ultimate, you pull a page out of Marvel 2's book and do a "low tier" tournament where you remove the top of the roster and see how the meta would develop if there wasn't a top tier presence.
Luigi is NOT mid tier... watch raru
u do realize this isnt his tier list right?
@@fakesupreme0184 ok? i didnt say it was
@@Daniel982-d7z Yeah no shit you didn't say it was his tier list but you telling him that luigi isn't mid tier makes it seems like its his tier list even tho its not 💀that's what i mean't by your comment
@@fakesupreme0184 I wasnt "telling him" anything. Just making a comment about the topic.
@@Daniel982-d7z Dude u literally was telling him to watch raru after u said luigi isnt mid tier, which means you did was ''telling him'' so wtf u mean u wasnt telling him when u literally told him to watch raru? ur talking nonsense rn
I read the title and i was like "they straight up aren't"
People don't talk about it very much but Ult has a massive OCEAN of underexplored midtier characters (My personal favorite is Captain Falcon.) There's a lot of viable characters who theoretically should be good but just end up with a middling rank because they don't have enough privilege to perform as consistently compared to the FP2 characters
go Luigi
One of the panelist PUT INCINEROAR IN THEIR TOP 5, THAT IS JUST CRAZY
I love how some mid/high tiers are so solid in this game, to the point their best players rate them extremely highly. Asimo (best ryu in the world) think he’s the best character in game. Bloom4eva (one of the best Bayo players) thinks Bayo is top 3 in the game! :3
Omg it's the fun Larry fact guy!
People didn’t want to ban hero for being op they wanted to ban him because of reading the menu
If gunner would have been legal in Smash 4, they would have been the worst character in the game. That's not just pretty bad. But to go into detail as to each Mii in Sm4sh here is what tier they'd roughly be in if they were all legal:
S: Mii Brawler (I can guarantee it would be at worst 5th, but possibly #2 only because you weren't allowed to be the best spread on them that would put them above Bayonetta more easily. Think Brawler now with crazier damage and kill combos)
E: Mii Swordfighter (I don't remember how bad they were exactly, but I think they were similar in viability as Charizard)
F: Mii Gunner
In Ultimate they are a all closer in strength for sure, but Swordfighter and Gunner are definitely better than Sm4sh.
Do you play ultimate..? Brawler in mid tier ?
That's not his tier list
It's crazy just how low on the tier list some real heavy hitters like Bowser and King K. Rool are. You'd think realistically that they'd be some of the best characters in the game with how hard they hit, but what really surprises me is how low Inkling of all characters is!
You could try covering Rivals 2 since it’s coming out new and similar to Smash
Ultimate is such a weird game because a character like Luigi with several major wins this year is considered mid tier
Jigglypuff grab game definitely not nerfed in ulitmate, its way better then what it was berfore
Mannnn get Luigi's top tier ass out the thumbnail ☠️
He isn't Top Tier, but he is definitely a High Tier.
Ken is underrated, if you can use him hes good
About the... Modifications to Nintendo games, I'm curious if that could get your account in trouble from Nintendo cus they're be schnasty. Why not branch out to things like Multiversus or Nick?
Because those games aren't as fun nor compelling.
The finale…
this microphoen quality lowkey makes the video unwatchable
ssb64 remix c:
i lowkey dont agree with Brawler being mid tier that character is a sleeper pick
What happened to his mic??
MID
Mii gunner my beloved, why must you be a slightly worse version of samus. Still gunna dual main cause nair is better tho. (In my opinion)
Damn my highest ranking character is a mid tier? (Ken main)
Why is Luigi in mid tier
He’s deadass top tier
good video but get a better mic bro
I wouldn’t call them bad…
where was corrin?
corrin is A tier in the other video
@@fakesupreme0184 i dident realize how much higher corrin got in the teirlist
its super hard but Lucas has a true universal semi-infinite (goes up to 300%) with footstool djcz, dubbed fruitloops. Lucas should definitely be higher on the tierlists but considering he's so hard and no one is good, he's stuck down at the bottom of mid tier. Djcz just makes his character what he is, but its so hard. Oh and since it's from a single grounded footstool it can be done oos, but also from other moves like dtilt and regular djcz inclusing from ledge.
oh and it is human viable bc i do it, even though i may be the only one 💀
@temmie5764 yoo you should upload a video of you doing it that sounds sick
@@jamesrutley1009 its all in lucascord rn, thinking about doing a tutorial once i get a capture card or smt
Awesome Smash video!
Calling ness a mid tier is WILD.
Get real
He’s not, he’s upper high tier but there’s only three videos for ultimate in this channel so they group them
no lol, ness is high-mid tier@@Syrup-n3t
@@ABC-ik9vj well I don’t disagree with you, it’s just that my tiers are huge so for me character like Ridley and Lucario is still in my low end of high tier lol. Realistically, he’s high tier, but in smash ultimate if you have big tiers, he’s upper high
@@Syrup-n3tridley and lucario are what bro 😭😭😭
Honest Drops, World Heals. Great Vid 🔥.
"Ness is actually my main" *closes the video*
First