College strength coach here… I am personally not a fan of Olympic lifts for athletes as we can spend more time on things that have a lower barrier of entry. Also, spending that time teaching them the lifts, we could be sprinting maximally. Plyometrics ALONE you’ll see these results in this study, but unweighted/weighted plyos, max/submax strength work, fast eccentrics, slow eccentrics, loaded/unloaded acceleration, etc., these are what make a fully rounded out program. Why spend all that time teaching the lifts when you could be doing these instead that take athletes a VERY short time to comprehend them, if you are a competent coach. Not saying Olympic lifts are bad, just saying the juice ain’t worth the squeeze.
Cause olympic lifts will training most of these at once. You don't need to add so many weighted/unweighted plyos, acceleration etc. With like 4 sets of olympic lifts 2x per week you ve trained power, coordination, balance, strength, acceleration. Do you know how many exercises you need to train all that?
@@dbbdbdbdbd599 So you are saying that if I do 8 sets of Olympic lifts a week, I don’t need to sprint as much? That is just false. And back squats train all the characteristics you just listed, so why not just replace Olympic lifts with back squats? You’re comparing apples to oranges. Olympic lifts are just fine, but to say that just because we use these lifts means we don’t have to do as much of “the other stuff” is just wrong.
@@dbbdbdbdbd599 oh and also, yes, I know what it takes to train those characteristics. A solid day of training, 1 hour can train all of that. 20 minutes of sprints/COD, 40 minutes of lifting can take care of those. Do you work with athletes?
@davidbeck1678 unless your sport is sprinting then no you don't have to sprint if you do oly lifts. Squats are slow the point of explosive exercises is to generate strength fast, really fast, if you do squats that fast its just plyometrics and the weight is low. Also oly lifts train upper body explosiveness as well, squats not
@davidbeck1678 no, I am an athlete. Your program doesn't hit upper body, ig you are a sprinter that's why. I do mma and upper body is just as important so I should add push press and explosive push ups in there
As an athlete and even the parent of athletes, I've learned there are more coaches that won't admit they are good teachers or and/or they don't understand the mechanics themselves of certain movements.
Strength is built on Squats, hip sled (sets of 20). Biceps , triceps and stabding overhead press. Plenty of hanging deadlifts will take the place of cleans, back extemsions are great as well.
Olympic lifts present high injury risks for some people. There is a reason great Olympic lifters retire early from overuse injuries. They definitely have their benefits though.
You will notice of you watch olympic lifters at practice, THEY DO DEADLIFTS AND OVERHEAD PRESS! I don’t believe Olympic lifting can add strength or muscle size. Presses and pullsowns do both.
College strength coach here… I am personally not a fan of Olympic lifts for athletes as we can spend more time on things that have a lower barrier of entry. Also, spending that time teaching them the lifts, we could be sprinting maximally. Plyometrics ALONE you’ll see these results in this study, but unweighted/weighted plyos, max/submax strength work, fast eccentrics, slow eccentrics, loaded/unloaded acceleration, etc., these are what make a fully rounded out program. Why spend all that time teaching the lifts when you could be doing these instead that take athletes a VERY short time to comprehend them, if you are a competent coach. Not saying Olympic lifts are bad, just saying the juice ain’t worth the squeeze.
Cause olympic lifts will training most of these at once. You don't need to add so many weighted/unweighted plyos, acceleration etc. With like 4 sets of olympic lifts 2x per week you ve trained power, coordination, balance, strength, acceleration. Do you know how many exercises you need to train all that?
@@dbbdbdbdbd599 So you are saying that if I do 8 sets of Olympic lifts a week, I don’t need to sprint as much? That is just false. And back squats train all the characteristics you just listed, so why not just replace Olympic lifts with back squats? You’re comparing apples to oranges. Olympic lifts are just fine, but to say that just because we use these lifts means we don’t have to do as much of “the other stuff” is just wrong.
@@dbbdbdbdbd599 oh and also, yes, I know what it takes to train those characteristics. A solid day of training, 1 hour can train all of that. 20 minutes of sprints/COD, 40 minutes of lifting can take care of those. Do you work with athletes?
@davidbeck1678 unless your sport is sprinting then no you don't have to sprint if you do oly lifts. Squats are slow the point of explosive exercises is to generate strength fast, really fast, if you do squats that fast its just plyometrics and the weight is low. Also oly lifts train upper body explosiveness as well, squats not
@davidbeck1678 no, I am an athlete. Your program doesn't hit upper body, ig you are a sprinter that's why. I do mma and upper body is just as important so I should add push press and explosive push ups in there
Wait... so plyometrics is equal??
As an athlete and even the parent of athletes, I've learned there are more coaches that won't admit they are good teachers or and/or they don't understand the mechanics themselves of certain movements.
Strength is built on Squats, hip sled (sets of 20). Biceps , triceps and stabding overhead press. Plenty of hanging deadlifts will take the place of cleans, back extemsions are great as well.
Power hanging cleans with straps rion the lower back. All athletes must do cleans from the floor.
Ruin, not Rion
Most athletes will have a better back position going from standing to the hang position compared to setting up from the floor
Olympic lifts present high injury risks for some people. There is a reason great Olympic lifters retire early from overuse injuries. They definitely have their benefits though.
You will notice of you watch olympic lifters at practice, THEY DO DEADLIFTS AND OVERHEAD PRESS! I don’t believe Olympic lifting can add strength or muscle size. Presses and pullsowns do both.
Olympic lifters are very good at squats.
Bodybuilders do not do the clean and Jerk or the snatch because they go to the gym to build up their muscles.
Plyometrics are worhless. So are those charts that give detailed pyramid workouts based on the lifters 1-rep max.
Why would plyometrics be worthless