Another issue is not use OEM filters. I got filters from Amazon probably from China and I had this issue of not starting. So make sure you put filters from Detroit.
hallo Alrey, we have the problem for engine OM 471 LA, i think the engine similar with detroit DD13, we have a problem ih engine idle condition, the engine is noise and abnormal idle, we have check for rail pressure sensor, over flow and qty solenoid valve at HPP, but engine not yet normal, after we replace HPP with assy component, the engiene can be normal condition, do you have similar problem ? after look your video i think we need to check 2 stage valve like in your video.
I'm having this issue right now. Wouldn't start but I could prime it then start. Now it won't prime at all. I changed the filter housing. Both of those check valves. The ball check at the bottom of the small filter. If I block the return line it will prime. My only other thought is a leak from the emergency shut off valves. Any suggestions?
@@robinsonr6had similar symptoms when I replaced the injector pass thru seals on my DD15. Engine would crank but not start, priming would send fuel back to the tank. Phoned a Detroit Guru who said to remove the connector to the solenoid at the front of the fuel pump. He said this will cause it to go to high pressure on crank. Got my engine started in minutes after trying for 2 days. Not sure if it was air in the system or this valve stuck.
Thanks for the video. I've got this truck model of 2001 and it cranks but wont start. The mechanic replaced its starter and it didn't help. Now, he says it might be the flywheel but I don't trust him anymore. The question is how do we know if starter is cranking the engine to look for other issues like fuel?
If the engine is turning over/cranking but not starting then it is not the starter or flywheel. If you try to start it and it just clicks or does nothing at all then it is likely a starter or electrical issue. Sounds like you have a fuel, air, compression, or perhaps a timing issue.
Thanks for the response. The issue is how to know if the engine is turning? Is the engine speedometer accurate enough to show the low rpm?@@alreyindustries
Thank you for this great insight! Is it safe to runs the engine longer than 1 minutes with the return line blocked off, without risking to damage more parts? The two stage valve has some side openings, holes, does it have to be specifically screwed in to align the holes with something inside the fuel pump housing?
Was doing an oil change and large fuel filter was stuck on when finally got it out the plastic insert got a little damaged and some fuel filter plastic pieces fell in there. Tried to clean it out as best possible but now truck only starts if I prime it and will run just fine but shut it off and I have to prime it again
@@adrianarce9427 a rule of thumb I try to go by is: “if everything was working before you did something, go back to what you just did.” Those filters are spring loaded at the bottom and there is a little nipple at the bottom of the filter that MUST lock in place at the bottom of the filter housing when you put it in. Maybe check the old filter to see if that broke off the bottom and is stuck in the filter housing. If not, you may need to pull the new filter and double check that you got that nipple inserted into the correct place.
Having same issue. But valve looks good. How did you block off return ? So we can try that to rule out the valves. Installed new fuel pump and now it loses prime won’t start up. Looks like fuel may be going back to tank when trying to crank up engine.
The brown fuel line coming out of the fuel filter housing, directly under the hand primer is the return line I do believe. We removed that fitting and attached a homemade fitting with a valve on it. We shut the valve during cranking so that the fuel could not return during cranking, then opened it after it started up. Essentially we added another check valve to see if that was the issue and it was.
I don’t have any videos on those yet. I will keep that in mind though and try to get some out there. From what I have seen they are pretty good and reliable engines. I remember an issue with oil consumption. I think there was an issue with liners or something like that which was causing the engine to burn oil on some models. Other than that I can’t think of any major issues I have seen personally.
@@alreyindustries thank you, for the fast response, what do youthink about the bubbles in air separator filter? When truck shut off fuel from water separator filter dissappear
@Pablo Lizano could be a stuck open check valve in the base of your separator housing. Or, it could be that the cap on top or the oring at the base of the glass is allowing air in. Check that both of those are tight and not cross threaded. Other than that, I’m not sure.
On the generation truck I was using I didn’t need a special tool. Looks like you may be working on one that requires a special tool. 3/8 drive gen2 two-stage valve socket Part number is: w470589050900
Thanks for the speedy reply...I have another question for you.... Would a improper electrical ground along with low fuel and multiple attempts to start/crank the motor, could it cause the overflow valve to get stuck?
@@troydeleon1162 that’s a lot of variables. I take it you don’t have fuel pressure. How did the issue begin? Any service or anything performed on truck prior to loss of fuel pressure?
Well it all started with battery issue... I thought my Battery was dead so after multiple attempts of jump starting and not getting anything we realized that the ground strap was broken, I replaced the strap and went ahead and turned the key... The truck started within about 30 seconds of the engine running it revved out a shut off on its own... Tried to start it again had to hard start kept the key down it eventually started this time it revved out and shut off in less than 5 sec... I thought maybe air had gotten in the fuel line due to low fuel in my tank so we primed and that did not work either..
I have the same problem where my truck won’t start. However, the freightliner dealership in Lancaster,pa told me I need to change to a 2-filter system. So they don’t sell the two-stage valve anymore! Parts alone is about $1600. Any other way around this? Where can I buy a two-stage valve?? I have a 2011, D13 engine. Please help..
Another issue is not use OEM filters. I got filters from Amazon probably from China and I had this issue of not starting. So make sure you put filters from Detroit. With Detroit filters it start up right away
I have a 2014 cascadia DD15 . I took it for service ( oil change and fuel filters ) they are having the same issue., loss of fuel pressure, and it won’t start . Does DD13 and DD15 have the same fuel system ? So I can show them this video to try this
Possibly. But if you have it all apart and can get a new one, I would. I wouldn’t want to go through all the trouble of taking it apart twice if you don’t get all the rubber out or something like that.
@@notkirill6991 maybe pull the fuel filter cap and check to see if they are full of fuel. If not, fill them up first and then try to hand pump it again. I’ve had problems with getting them primed before without a machine. That’s where I would start before pulling anything apart.
@Alrey Industries Top Tech Diesel sorry forgot to mention I put diesel into fuel filter and into water separator. Pumped for hours on end, no luck truck doesn't even stay running with starter fluid. I'm getting code for low pressure in rail. Thank you so much for getting back to me by the way
@@notkirill6991 no problem. And ok good to know. Yea the two stage valve could be the issue. But if you have software or a mechanical gauge I would check to see if you’re getting fuel pressure on the low side. There is a quick connect fitting for a gauge right there on the fuel filter module. I’d start troubleshooting that way. I hate just throwing parts at stuff. Gets expensive quick.
holy fuck this just happened to me 2 hours ago , I didn't figure it out because I don't know much but I changed the fuel filter and tried priming it and it would not build pressure at all , fuel filter splines were not broken or anything and they were installed right , the engine started only with starting fluid but didn't stay on , I did find out it was a check valve but I thought it was located under the big fuel filter lol
I have dd15 cascadia there is an issue there is no fuel on the water separator if i need to start i have to pump always please any one who knows this problem ? Please advise me. Thanks
I have a 2020 DD16, 40K miles on it and it started to give me this problem. I would have someone turning the key while I prime the pump and it would start right away. Sometimes it would start up normally after cranking for a while.
Yo remplase check valve fuel pump disel housing 2valvulas en el separator de agua Las lineas del disel fuel sensor del riel y siguio haciendo lo mismo hasta ke remplaze los injectores ese chistecito salio como 14 mil dlls
listen to me The human world, it's a mess Life under the sea Is better than anything they got up there Under the sea Under the sea Darling it's better Down where it's wetter Take it from me
Another issue is not use OEM filters. I got filters from Amazon probably from China and I had this issue of not starting. So make sure you put filters from Detroit.
hallo Alrey, we have the problem for engine OM 471 LA, i think the engine similar with detroit DD13, we have a problem ih engine idle condition, the engine is noise and abnormal idle, we have check for rail pressure sensor, over flow and qty solenoid valve at HPP, but engine not yet normal, after we replace HPP with assy component, the engiene can be normal condition, do you have similar problem ? after look your video i think we need to check 2 stage valve like in your video.
This video might of just solved my problem👍🏻
Did it??
I'm having this issue right now. Wouldn't start but I could prime it then start. Now it won't prime at all. I changed the filter housing. Both of those check valves. The ball check at the bottom of the small filter. If I block the return line it will prime. My only other thought is a leak from the emergency shut off valves. Any suggestions?
Did you find out what was the problem? I have the same issue Freightliner cascadia 2019.
@@Habib0783 were any of u guys able to find out? My shit won't start
You need to use Detroit filters not from China and make sure that are installed correctly
They never come back and say if they fixed it or not.
@@robinsonr6had similar symptoms when I replaced the injector pass thru seals on my DD15. Engine would crank but not start, priming would send fuel back to the tank.
Phoned a Detroit Guru who said to remove the connector to the solenoid at the front of the fuel pump. He said this will cause it to go to high pressure on crank.
Got my engine started in minutes after trying for 2 days. Not sure if it was air in the system or this valve stuck.
Thanks for the video. I've got this truck model of 2001 and it cranks but wont start. The mechanic replaced its starter and it didn't help. Now, he says it might be the flywheel but I don't trust him anymore. The question is how do we know if starter is cranking the engine to look for other issues like fuel?
If the engine is turning over/cranking but not starting then it is not the starter or flywheel.
If you try to start it and it just clicks or does nothing at all then it is likely a starter or electrical issue.
Sounds like you have a fuel, air, compression, or perhaps a timing issue.
Thanks for the response. The issue is how to know if the engine is turning? Is the engine speedometer accurate enough to show the low rpm?@@alreyindustries
Awesome video, keep it coming
Thank you for this great insight! Is it safe to runs the engine longer than 1 minutes with the return line blocked off, without risking to damage more parts? The two stage valve has some side openings, holes, does it have to be specifically screwed in to align the holes with something inside the fuel pump housing?
What if you took that plastic that was in there would it work?
Do you have a part number ? I’ve been trying to find this part online
Which troubleshooting were you following
When you replaced the two stage valve did it come with like a seal or o right that goes into the hole of the valve?
Thanks but what about losing power which valve?
Was there any engine light or code for injector pressure?
Was doing an oil change and large fuel filter was stuck on when finally got it out the plastic insert got a little damaged and some fuel filter plastic pieces fell in there. Tried to clean it out as best possible but now truck only starts if I prime it and will run just fine but shut it off and I have to prime it again
I think there might be some plastic in mine too but mine needs a special tool..
Do you think the very top of the plastic insert being damaged has something to do with that?
@@adrianarce9427 a rule of thumb I try to go by is: “if everything was working before you did something, go back to what you just did.”
Those filters are spring loaded at the bottom and there is a little nipple at the bottom of the filter that MUST lock in place at the bottom of the filter housing when you put it in.
Maybe check the old filter to see if that broke off the bottom and is stuck in the filter housing. If not, you may need to pull the new filter and double check that you got that nipple inserted into the correct place.
@@adrianarce9427 I’ve had issues with priming the fuel system when those filters get messed up too.
Having same issue. But valve looks good. How did you block off return ? So we can try that to rule out the valves. Installed new fuel pump and now it loses prime won’t start up. Looks like fuel may be going back to tank when trying to crank up engine.
The brown fuel line coming out of the fuel filter housing, directly under the hand primer is the return line I do believe. We removed that fitting and attached a homemade fitting with a valve on it. We shut the valve during cranking so that the fuel could not return during cranking, then opened it after it started up. Essentially we added another check valve to see if that was the issue and it was.
@@alreyindustries what about the check valve inside the fuel filter housing on the bottom of that small fuel filter
What check valve solved the issue?@@alreyindustries
@@alreyindustriesboth check valves are good, already replaced filter housing I installed fitting with valve so fuel won't go back to tank
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE THE PLASTIC IS COMING FROM???? This has happened to me twice in 6 months and plastic pieces where in it both times.
why did you change it? what were the symptoms before replacing it?
@@javiervargas3995 truck wouldn’t start. The valve was stuck open so the engine couldn’t maintain proper fuel pressure.
Any chance you have a fuel flow diagram for the dd15 ,got a 2011 cascadia i gota fill the filter housing pump it jus to start the truck
Great video. Do you have any on the Cummins X-15 you could do or any thoughts of their performance and reliability.
I don’t have any videos on those yet. I will keep that in mind though and try to get some out there. From what I have seen they are pretty good and reliable engines. I remember an issue with oil consumption. I think there was an issue with liners or something like that which was causing the engine to burn oil on some models. Other than that I can’t think of any major issues I have seen personally.
It will be same on a 2012 dd15 3 filters housing? I have the same problem , that valve will be at the same location? Thank you.
I’m pretty sure it will be
@@alreyindustries thank you, for the fast response, what do youthink about the bubbles in air separator filter? When truck shut off fuel from water separator filter dissappear
@Pablo Lizano could be a stuck open check valve in the base of your separator housing. Or, it could be that the cap on top or the oring at the base of the glass is allowing air in. Check that both of those are tight and not cross threaded. Other than that, I’m not sure.
@Pablo Lizano was the filter changed or disturbed recently?
@@alreyindustries yes we have changed several times, and we replaced both of the check valve located inside of water separator and still doing it
What tool did you use to remove the valve... My 19 spanner and socket don't work
On the generation truck I was using I didn’t need a special tool. Looks like you may be working on one that requires a special tool.
3/8 drive gen2 two-stage valve socket
Part number is: w470589050900
Thanks for the speedy reply...I have another question for you....
Would a improper electrical ground along with low fuel and multiple attempts to start/crank the motor, could it cause the overflow valve to get stuck?
@@troydeleon1162 that’s a lot of variables. I take it you don’t have fuel pressure. How did the issue begin? Any service or anything performed on truck prior to loss of fuel pressure?
Well it all started with battery issue... I thought my Battery was dead so after multiple attempts of jump starting and not getting anything we realized that the ground strap was broken, I replaced the strap and went ahead and turned the key... The truck started within about 30 seconds of the engine running it revved out a shut off on its own...
Tried to start it again had to hard start kept the key down it eventually started this time it revved out and shut off in less than 5 sec...
I thought maybe air had gotten in the fuel line due to low fuel in my tank so we primed and that did not work either..
@@troydeleon1162 any check engine lights or fault codes?
I have the same problem where my truck won’t start. However, the freightliner dealership in Lancaster,pa told me I need to change to a 2-filter system. So they don’t sell the two-stage valve anymore! Parts alone is about $1600. Any other way around this?
Where can I buy a two-stage valve??
I have a 2011, D13 engine. Please help..
Another issue is not use OEM filters. I got filters from Amazon probably from China and I had this issue of not starting. So make sure you put filters from Detroit. With Detroit filters it start up right away
I have a 2014 cascadia DD15 .
I took it for service ( oil change and fuel filters ) they are having the same issue., loss of fuel pressure, and it won’t start . Does DD13 and DD15 have the same fuel system ? So I can show them this video to try this
I’m pretty sure it is very similar
I have the same truck We’re you able to fix this issue? If so what did you replace and how much did it cost you?
Great video! Thanks.
I have to do 4 hard cranks before truck starts. After I can turn it off and restart no problem what can it be?
Many things. I’d start with the filters first. What kind of engine?
Can't you just use an o ring pick or something to get the plastic piece out of that 2 stage valve?
Possibly. But if you have it all apart and can get a new one, I would. I wouldn’t want to go through all the trouble of taking it apart twice if you don’t get all the rubber out or something like that.
Hey so after running out of fuel I can't get it to prime. So my problem can be the 2 stage valve? Or did I mess up my fuel pump?
How did you try to prime it?
@Alrey Industries Top Tech Diesel I used the hand pump for like 6 hours. I even put air into the fuel tanks to force fuel and nothing
@@notkirill6991 maybe pull the fuel filter cap and check to see if they are full of fuel. If not, fill them up first and then try to hand pump it again. I’ve had problems with getting them primed before without a machine. That’s where I would start before pulling anything apart.
@Alrey Industries Top Tech Diesel sorry forgot to mention I put diesel into fuel filter and into water separator. Pumped for hours on end, no luck truck doesn't even stay running with starter fluid. I'm getting code for low pressure in rail. Thank you so much for getting back to me by the way
@@notkirill6991 no problem. And ok good to know. Yea the two stage valve could be the issue. But if you have software or a mechanical gauge I would check to see if you’re getting fuel pressure on the low side. There is a quick connect fitting for a gauge right there on the fuel filter module. I’d start troubleshooting that way. I hate just throwing parts at stuff. Gets expensive quick.
holy fuck this just happened to me 2 hours ago , I didn't figure it out because I don't know much but I changed the fuel filter and tried priming it and it would not build pressure at all , fuel filter splines were not broken or anything and they were installed right , the engine started only with starting fluid but didn't stay on , I did find out it was a check valve but I thought it was located under the big fuel filter lol
So what did you do to fix the problem? Change the valves?
What happened next did you changed the valve?
Thank you 👍
Any idea where the plastic came from?
No. Never did figure that out. Could have been internal to the two stage valve, but I’m not sure.
Do appreciate that 🙏 💯
Wow great video sir
Great vid ...
I have dd15 cascadia there is an issue there is no fuel on the water separator if i need to start i have to pump always please any one who knows this problem ? Please advise me.
Thanks
We have some issue any update on this problem? Let me know thanks
nice vidéo just next time give part number 😮
Thanks guy
I have a 2020 DD16, 40K miles on it and it started to give me this problem. I would have someone turning the key while I prime the pump and it would start right away. Sometimes it would start up normally after cranking for a while.
your starter and all pump system take the air so bad to do always prime pump even 2 min to be hard and after start
Damn, thats how it started
I don’t think either photo references were wrong. The first photo the version 2 pump. Your “correct” photo was for a version 1 pump.
Excellent diag!
I learned that the hard way
Good video. I'm at a shop for what I thought was just a fuel filter. But alas they can't get it to run. Maybe this will work.
What engine model? Let me know what they come up with.
Hi, would this cause fuel to look black? Having the same issue for a while and now I noticed my Fuel is black.
No, I don’t see any reason why this valve would cause fuel to look black.
@@alreyindustries from experience what do you think would cause my fuel to go black?
@@ymusa8721 oil getting into your fuel
I'm vietnamese, are you repairing dd 15 engine oil leak
No, this is the two stage valve for the fuel system.
It also has bubbles on glass water separator filter. No luck finding the problem. Any advise? Thanks
Did you figure it out?
Yo remplase check valve fuel pump disel housing 2valvulas en el separator de agua Las lineas del disel fuel sensor del riel y siguio haciendo lo mismo hasta ke remplaze los injectores ese chistecito salio como 14 mil dlls
Valiendo madre, es un pedo con estas trocas
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listen to me
The human world, it's a mess
Life under the sea
Is better than anything they got up there
Under the sea
Under the sea
Darling it's better
Down where it's wetter
Take it from me