Talking to Clive Anderson on his chat show, Brian Clough talks about his recent autobiography, and a section where he blamed the Hillsborough tragedy on the Liverpool fans.
Worth noting that he changed his opinion in later years, admitting that his original view was based more on the hooliganism issues of the era than the policing issues of Hillsborough.
@@pc2405 Agreed. The campaign by the families of the victims was too powerful at that time for anyone in the public eys to disagree with the stance they took. Interesting that Anderson's point was about not causing upset rather than Clough being incorrect.
Had Heysel not happened, I don't think that the conventional logic at the time would've been to blame Liverpool fans for Hillsborough. That incident unfairly clouded a different incident 4 years later.
The fans were blamed on minute 1, the police there would have done the same had it been a different club. More than a few 'close encounters' at Hillsborough in the years leading up to this btw
If you see a dangerous, overwhelmed crowd trying to get into a stadium, why would you join? I would toss my tickets, go home, and libe another day. Why anyone would walk into Hillsborough stadium that day is beyond me.
I am a huge Brian cough fan, but he is simply so wrong to state what he did here. Liverpool fans were guilty of one thing only supporting the team they loved, one of the primary duties of Police at football matches is crowd control. They could have postponed the kick off, they should not have opened the gates. In addition, the design of the Leppings lane end is known to many an away football fan, a funnel, coupled with at the time high security fencing meant the ground was indeed a dangerous please that needed secure regulated crowd control.
@@gigglemaniarunninwild2207 you choose to ignore the fact the disaster had nothing to do with fans without tickets as the final Hillsborough report concluded. Perhaps at least try and educate yourself and read the independent Hillsborough report and you will read for yourself the truth. Not that I think for one moment you will as you still hang on to the lies of the police that were exposed by the panel.
@@sezles1 no its YOU that is choosing to ignore that they had to be crushed by someone, there were far too many people.....and why was that? .......and you honestly think its okay for a load of fans to enter without tickets? .....that will lead to overcrowding....which led to?
@@gigglemaniarunninwild2207 read the report and see how wrong you are about so called ticketless fans. You won't do as you prefer to believe the lies of the likes of the sun. You think you know more than the independent report well you don't you prefer to continue with your bigoted views. Am done with people like you who think they know better when in fact it's just your prejudices that shine through.
Apparently he changed his mind years later. But I think this highlights it's everybody's right to have an opinion, even if others don't agree, and even if that opinion is wrong. And you have the right to change your opinion later. Personally I don't see how it can be a crime simply to be one of a large number of people going to a football match. And who wouldn't go through an open gate into a stadium when you have travelled hundreds of miles in the hope of watching a top football match? Shouldn't the blame lie mostly with the authorities who witnessed something very similar at the same ground just a few years earlier - and did absolutely nothing to prevent that disaster so obviously waiting to happen? I write all this, of course, with 20/20 hindsight vision. RIP the 96, and condolences to all their families and friends.
I live in Sheffield not for from Hillsborough and believe me the ground is death trap, there is corner section at the leppings lane end that is un usable as it contains asbestos and is rusting away, I believe the capacity is around 38,000 but they only allow around 34,000 in at the max and it's a death trap! The north stand is actually rusting away and that's still in full use there is around 4 different shades of blue paint on the stadium down to using cheap paint and the kop stand is propped up by 2 concrete blocks if you drive along herries road you can see it for yourself, best thing is there in the top 10 teams in the UK for high ticket/season ticket prices..... absolute shuttle of a club and Yorkshire police are really 50/50 some good some bad but the majority of police at football see everyone as hooligans and treat them like criminals not paying customers, my condolences to the liverpool fans, you get supporters now days trying to sneak into games the only difference is the police handle the situation not just say fuck it let them in an already maxed capacity stadium and riot amongst themselves, disgusting police behaviour did not one think about the poor people being crushed at the front, I remember people local to the stadium taking in families and making them food and drinks, really sad time and I imagine the police slept soundly that night.
Did he not see the 81 semi final at hillsborough? Major crushing in leppings lane end and 39 injuries Perhaps he would blame the spurs fans? Leppings lane was too small as a standing area for big crowds, should not have been used after 1981 and I read even before that there were crushing episodes!!
There is news footage from the disaster of Liverpool fans complaining that nobody checked their (legitimate) tickets on their way in. So even if some fans did get in without tickets, it would still come down to an institutional failure in the duty of care by the police and match day organisers. That's even if its true. Don't forget that thousands of witness statements were changed in order to shift blame away from the police and onto the fans. Not the Liverpool fans' fault. From a proud Arsenal fan. JFT96.
The ground was not fit to hpld a semi final. in 81 wolves v spurs there were fans spilling onto the pitch 87 Leeds v xoventry , the Leeds fans were xrammed into the Leppings lane end . my brother couldn't breathe after the game . he thought he was gonna die. sadly an accident waiting to happen.
I was at that game as a Cov fan on the kop and I heard countless city fans state they should have been at the other end and Leeds on the Kop as it looked rammed full. In the quarter final we played there City were at the leppings lane end and have heard first hand from a family member that it was very uncomfortable to be in that end. A disaster waiting to happen that did not wait long.
Ian Bennett All you fans that know all about football grounds in the 80's amaze me. Every standing area was uncomfortable when it was full. Look at the films from that time. A disaster waiting to happen YES. It just happened to be at Hillsborough. It could have happened at any of the big stadiums with very bad policing and 1500 ticketless fans.
But it didnte and it nearly happened at Hillsbrough multile times before. They didnt even have a fucking Valid safety License and Duckenfield didnt attend the ground ONCE when given the appointment to do his job and see how these types of things could be avoided which even AFTER the crush outside, Could have been by simply directing people AWAY from that pen into the smaller pens there were NO police there doing that. Its their fucking Job. Not there job to make Video recordings go missing and change over 100 statements.
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Brian Clough stole 10,000 out of the Nottingham Forest ticket office when Forest played Man United in the league cup final in 1991 , those tickets ended up in the hands of touts who sold them to Man United fans and caused a riot in the Forest end , is that in his book .
He gave his opinion based on the interpretation of what he saw with his own eyes at the time, unfortunately the facts which would may have provided some context to explain what he saw and allow him to re-evaluate his opinion sooner were covered up with lies upon lies by both the police force and media. Having said that, 96 people lost their lives so it may have been more appropriate to have not said anything.
@@MarkHarrison733Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
Honestly, so many here still spout off the lies that Liverpool supporters caused this by entering without tickets. That lie, told by the police to cover up their actions has been debunked. They even admit it now. No, back then you always got some who entered without tickets to big games. But even the police admitted the number would have been so small as to not affect or cause this disaster. Were those who entered without tickets to blame? No. was it wrong? yes. But, it was common practice back then. the rush was aused by the polie and authorities putting far to many fans in a small stand, in confined pens. selling to many tickets, opening gates that should not have been opened as to many fans were already in the pens. They also failed to dispurse fans to the outer pens and allowed them all to go to the central pens. This caused the disaster. I do not are who you support, blaming the fans is wrong, it could have happened to any supporter who went to a game at that end at that time.
All the factors that caused the Hillsborough disaster have happened at countless Football matches before over and over again, but sadly they all came together on that fateful day of April 15th 1989! The saddest day of my life!!! Liverpool F.C. forever! And Justice for the 96 at last!!!
Cloughie later realised he was wrong and said: "“I now accept the investigations have made me realise I was misinformed. I wasn't trying to be vindictive or unsympathetic, but my opinion has altered over the years. It was never my intention to hurt anyone.” He still shouldn't have ever said this though. How could he not realise how hurtful it was? I'm a lifelong Forest fan btw.
Great comment Simon!! I wasn't aware he admitted he was wrong and to be fair it's little wonder people were under the wrong impression such was the intensity and onesidedness of the media's coverage at the time. I agree though...... how on earth did he think his initial comments could be construed as anything other than deeply offensive???
I dont think for one minute his comments were meant to hurt.......On the face of it , as he saw it on the day , he was right in what he said,.......But didnt realise it was actually the the Fault of the Police that caused the tragedy
@@michaelrudge3927 I wonder what Cloughie would have to say about it now...Now that we know the truth...from what I remember Clough was just going on what he was told happened and certain sections of the media did not do much to convince him otherwise
It wasn't their fault it was the incompetence of the police and the fact that inside the ground there were no stewards directing the fans to either side of the tunnel were there was loads of room. I watched it live and could even see this as a Liverpool fan.
threetimestwogamed it was Liverpool "Fans???" who charged from the back and forced the poor kids who had tickets and were where the were entitled to be, and forced them against the railings. Clough was % 100 right
Speaking about people as a 'group' is always dangerous and ill-advised. The innocent people who lost their lives that day certainly didn't deserve anything other than to be kept safe whilst they supported their football club. Cloughy showing both ignorance, arrogance and a lack of compassion here.
@@MarkHarrison733Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
As much as I love Brian Clough, his comments were out of *such* proportion here and insulting to the victims and their families. But again, Hillsborough *will* sadly remain one of Britain's greatest ever cover-ups. I mean, the chief superintendent of Yorkshire police of that day (David Duckenfield) has been legally acquitted twice of lawful wrongdoing. But sadly again, when do English football fans themselves learn (e.g. the Euro 2020 final).
@King Royal Yes there was. Why are people still to this day denying it when the evidence is against the police. Forget about Liverpool for a sec but this is people's lives we are talking about.
I'm not defending Clough in any way , although he was wrong in this case . He had no filter when it came to opinions . He said what he thought whether it was wrong or right . I remember when Nott'm Forest played Celtic in a UEFA Cup match in 1983 . A wall collapsed at the Celtic end of the ground. Clough rose from his dugout and went over to the Celtic fans and starting berating them for fighting and causing the mayhem . Later , when the facts emerged , he begrudgingly retracted his condemnation . Cloughie always acted impulsively in such matters .
Easily the best manager ever and I support lfc but total bollocks 96 died prick and oh my god these lfc scum how dare they get stretchers and help each other while pissing and the rest. Rest your head you should be ashamed.
@@lardy70s Perimeter fences, poor design of stadium & Policing at Hillsborough all contributory factors. Anne Williams campaigner for Justice for 96 R.I.P.
@@ianhart8811 yes they're all factors. If it wasn't for the drunken, ticketless yobs that forced their way into the ground then this tragedy wouldn't have happened. Liverpool fans caused this. Open your eyes and stop trying to detract the blame from yourselves. RIP to the 97.
@@lardy70s your immature, how were 15, 14 and 10 year old boys drunk?. You’re a total idiot the police have since admitted it was them that open the gate and it wasn’t broken down by fans. Read history all of it
The capacity was wildly overestimated, there were no more Liverpool fans than the stated capacity and the police didn't close off the central pens. The crush was already beginning before the gate was open. The FA had ignored warnings about crushes (due to the capacity of the ground not being as high as claimed) and the potential for congestion at the turnstiles. Liverpool fans (I'm not one) are not to blame.
Its always the innocent that end up getting it. I find it amazing that every single Liverpool fan that day was completely sober and all had tickets, obviously none of them were robbing the corner shops for beer. I spoke to a wednesday fan who was there that day, said Liverpool were out of order. I wonder what Juve think about Liverpool?
Hillsborough: Former Sun editor apologises to Liverpool The former editor of the Sun has offered "profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool" for blaming fans for the Hillsborough tragedy. It follows the release of a report into the disaster which resulted in the death of 96 fans. Kelvin MacKenzie wrote the headline The Truth on the front-page story which ran four days later. Trevor Hicks, of the Hillsborough Families Support Group, said it was "too little, too late". In a statement Mr MacKenzie said: "Today I offer my profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool for that headline. "I too was totally misled. Twenty-three years ago I was handed a piece of copy from a reputable news agency in Sheffield in which a senior police officer and a senior local MP were making serious allegations against fans in the stadium. "I had absolutely no reason to believe that these authority figures would lie and deceive over such a disaster. "As the prime minister has made clear these allegations were wholly untrue and were part of a concerted plot by police officers to discredit the supporters thereby shifting the blame for the tragedy from themselves. "It has taken more than two decades, 400,000 documents and a two-year inquiry to discover to my horror that it would have been far more accurate had I written the headline The Lies rather than The Truth. "I published in good faith and I am sorry that it was so wrong."
I'm a villa fan but grow up loving liverpool in 70s and 80s made me proud to b English but iv been to a semi final ov the fa cup wd the villa I like a drink shag punch up and sniff u dont turn up 5000 strung at 5 2 3 u get in the ground at 230 soak the atmosphere up thay turned up and rushed the gates couse thay had no tickets same 4 the people that passed theres a lot ov scouser wd boold on there hands great club tho
Clough wasnt there. He was in the changing room. Maybe the police should have made all the forest squad and management get into hillsborough by climbing through a toilet window all at the same time.
Dear oh dear, wherever Brian Clough is now, the victims of Hillsborough will be there with him reminding him how wrong he was. What a shame he had that view.
What people need to realise,is there weren't to many people in leppings lane, there were to many in the central pens which the police could of stop by closing the gates of the tunnel and sending fans to the side pens.
@@lardy70s The Leppings Lane end was UNDER OCCUPIED. If you bothered to read the report. The problem was too many fans were directed down the tunnel to the central pens. Can’t believe 33 years later and you still get people as thick as pig shit spouting such nonsense. You’re either a S*n reader or a Tory nonce
@@peterwalker4843Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
Clough is effectively saying - if you get on a plane in a casually and slightly disorderly manner through the wrong gate after queuing in a very narrow corridor. with loads of other people And then the plane crashes because of engine failure. It's your own fault.
@@BT-kc3ee And what the inquiry says was "if thousands of you turn up to the plane having not bought a ticket and force your way on, it's the Police to blame, not you".
@@wrath_of_thrawn2163 The police didn't behave very honourably in the aftermath. instead of co-operating with the enquiry, they went into 'self-preservation' mode, muddying the waters in an effort to pre-empt the inevitable accusation of blame by the Liverpool fans. I doubt we will ever know the true chain of events which led to this dreadful disaster.
Liverpool fan; Crowd control, crowd mentality and duty of care were not a thing during this time. An individual can be held to account for making questionable decisions but when thousands of individuals are ushered somewhere at the behest of the police then that's a different story completely. Clough's opinion changed in his later years and I suspect that's down to his experience being part of a crowd rather than being the leader of it
@@tooleyheadbang4239 how is opening the gate not ushering people? Did they open it to test the hinges or to get people through it? And why are you nitpicking that anyway?
@@darthpepe2994 The police made an error of judgement. A crush was forming, and at the time it looked as if opening the gate might be the best thing to do. It wasn't. The police afterwards made another error. A disgraceful one, this time. They decided to collude with the authorities to cover up their tragic error. This second error wasn't tragic. It was criminal.
i don't care if the police held up a sign that said elle mcpherson was inside the stadium naked, its still liverpool fans pushing against the resistance that caused a crush
These are Brian Cloughs words in 2001: Finally, in 2001, he said: “I now accept the investigations have made me realise I was misinformed. I wasn't trying to be vindictive or unsympathetic, but my opinion has altered over the years. It was never my intention to hurt anyone.” So, this apparently intelligent man of the people was blinded by the light of truth for 12 long years.
Clough never changed his view. He was ordered to release that statement in 2001 by his employer, as his remarks on Hillsborough had caused controversy regarding his weekly column.
Call Clough what you want, but I don't think anyone would ever say he was a liar. He was asked about what he saw and experienced and he was honest with his opinion, as he always was. Of course, the shoe would be on the other foot if it had been Forest fans killed and the Liverpool manager said what Clough did. . .
John Bull I think you are mistaken. Actually, if you read the drivel Mr. Clough inflicted on the world in his autobiography you will realise that much of his viewpoint stemmed from regurgitating vile newspaper/government garbage that had been concocted to lay the blame on the fans. Do you think Mr. Clough would have had the courage to retract his mistaken comments once justice was finally done and these vile lies disproved? As for your second point, irrelevant, pointless speculation designed to distract attention from the deeply embarrassing lies spouted by Mr. Clouigh. Disappointing all round.
@@BS-jr3dl unfortunately Liverpool fans killed their own that day and nothing will change it. Clough was there and spoke his mind. Sad but very true. Who was responsible for the Heysel disaster?????.
Come on if the turnstiles were open any fan would go in the blame is the people running the gates for leaving them open and the police and media blaming the Liverpool fans is a disgrace.
I'm sure Cloughy would change his view if he could. His comments disappoint me greatly for a man I respect immensely. The basic reality is, regardless of how many fans turned up and where they were, the authorities have a duty of care once those supporters arrive at the stadium, to keep them safe. They failed to do that. There is the wider context here in terms of the disgusting behaviour of the establishment at the time and the years and years it took those brave families to correct all the lies that were put out there and thus became people's accepted thought process around Hillsborough. Collusion on a grand scale by the establishment in every corner. The process of the enquiry and the outcome will enable others who seek justice from tragedy, like the those poor souls at Grenfell Towers...
@@MichaelSmith-jt1ffReported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
Funny the way all these "football fans" have passes comment on fake tickets or fans without tickets like that day was the only game in history that fans tried to get in without tickets..... this happened in every big game with most clubs so the comments are aload of shite! Should never have been held at that stadium with what happened the year before. Police should have been more in control, the cover up and lies after it happened is what got LFC families and fans backs up over the whole tragedy!
Cloughie been wrong before. As we all have. BC never believed in luck nor god. He simply feared failure on any terms. Just one man banked on self. Cheers BC!
Brian commented with the facts he believed at the time if the police,s version of events were true then Brian was right,nobody likes to think the police would cover it up,had he had the facts today of the cover up i,m sure he would think differently.
yes Joe Hawkings, I think you have got it just about right there. Although Brian was there, he wasn't outside the turnstiles so he couldn't possibly know what had gone on there. There are many people who have changed their opinion on Hillsborough over time, unfortunately Brian is no longer with us so we can't ask him now.
I Think Brian would have believed the police when they said there was no grooming going on in Rotherham to and the far right were lying,as it turned out the ones only telling the truth, for their own agenda of course, were the far right,Nobody wants to admit police counil social services were lying but the cover up was the same.
It's terrible the way the police forced those fans to travel without tickets and force the gate to be opened and then squashed them all into the ground. Shame on them.
Alan Dunne What lies!! There were no fans without tickets!! Trying to push into the ground. There was a dangerous crush outside..because their were only 7 turnstiles. CCTV proves that the number of fans who entered the ground was actually slightly less than the number of tickets sold! Proof there was no horse of ticketless fans. That was a lie from the police!! The blame lies squarely with them! There were no police cordons organising the cues outside the ground...Duckenfield opened Gate C to stop the crush outside the game. Which was a shambles and totally disorganised and mismanaged by the police! Nobody directed people towards the outside pens. ( which were nearly empty)So all the fans went towards the obvious place which was the central tunnel. They had no choice.. and they had no idea what they were walking into..The fans are not to blame!! And when it was obvious that there was a problem. Duckenfield froze when he should have been evacuating the pens by opening the front gates! It was fatally delayed because it was locked! People’s lives could have been saved if the emergency services had been co-ordinated correctly!! Only 3 ambulances even made it onto the pitch! They were all told to wait outside the ground by incompetent police. Half the police were told to stand in the middle of the pitch to stop fans running onto the pitch! It was ridiculous!! Very few people who died even made it to hospital! They were just left to die at the ground! Horrendous! Police were told not to write anything in their pocket books... and statements were doctored! The cover up after this disaster was appalling! And it took 27 years to get justice for the 96 families! Shame on Clough! He’s an arrogant swine!! How dare he blame the fans!!
0:39 Brian Clough telling it how it is, like he said no one else was pushing that day. Learn to queue up in a normal, civilised manner and this tragedy would never have happened.
Justice has not been done at all, they only admitted what we all knew and vindicated the fans, no one has been brought to justice for the unlawful killing of 97 Liverpool fans (yes its 97 now)
@@jerryslayer Liverpool fans killed their own. If you think justice means that someone will go to jail, then you're gravely mistaken. If it wasn't for them drunken yobs that rushed the stadium then their wouldn't have been this tragic disaster. Liverpool fans need to stop blaming others than trying to detract the blame from themselves.
@@lardy70s You are a horrible, blinded, gullible fool. Reported for misinformation. The Liverpool fans were not to blame, the inquest has vindicated them all and rightly so.
@@lardy70sReported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
We did (the people of Liverpool) Clough was probably drunk as F anyway and didn't know what he was talking about, Great manager but a top tit when it came to making them comments
He didn't always get it right, calling Tomaschevski a clown was plain ridiculous so was his accusations that Liverpool fans were solely responsible for Hillsborough.
Yeah Brian was so wrong about Hillsborough u can't make sweeping statement without all the facts, I would be right in thinking this would have lost Brian much appreciation from Lfc fans, but no one is perfect
despite 30 years fighting the cover up people still make comments like the ones on here Mr Clough was there but from the touchline did he see why the gates where opened
That's why he was called big Ed Not subjective enough Too much of a know it all when in truth we all know fuck all but I know that the organisers, the police then and before the game (wolves v spurs hillsborough) were to control and manage the crowds and the kick off time. RIP what a tragedy 😢😢😢
I understand that Brian Clough could only go by what he knew at the time, and was expressing an opinion based on what he'd been told by police and Notts Forest staff, but he absolutely didnt need to be pointing the finger of blame in any of the victims direction. He had a habit of feeling he needed to comment on everything. He didnt.
I liked Brian but think his comment was wrong,this was a disaster waiting to happen as the health and safety at football grounds at that time was virtually none existent,I remember going to an away game at Old Trafford when Man U where building a new stand at our end and it was like a gully leading to the make shift turnstiles and contiplas walls,I was lifted off my feet by the power of the crowd trying to get in so much so that temporary walls collapsed and we just walked in for free,which was great but prior to that it was a very frightening experience.
I feel the issue with saying they brought it on themselves is that the ones who died were at the front, with tickets and did absolutely nothing wrong. The Liverpool fans who turned up drunk without a ticket and late are probably partially to blame along with the police.
@@paulcasey4282 "drunk without a ticket and late" is incorrect. Drunk - No arrests for drunkenness and also no photographs of drunk fans or bins full of cans despite the police searching through the vast amount of photos taken that day. Tickets - Using ground cctv the report counted the number of fans that entered the Leppings Lane either by turnstile or the gate (which was opened by the police). The number of fans counted was very close to the number of tickets sold (I think the number of fans counted was actually less than number of tickets sold). Late - It's estimated that 5000 fans were still outside at 14.30 for a match started at 15.00. This is because there was an insufficient amount of turnstiles open to allow fans to enter (it's all there proven in the report). The police first reported a crush outside at 14.30 to a match commander who had arrived at the ground at 14.15.
@@pc2405 Thank you for the information. I don't want it to come across that I support the initial report by the police which was obviously bogus. With regards to alcohol, it seems that the initial report way oversold the story but at any football game, there are going to be small groups who are too drunk. Football hooliganism was/is a problem in all of English football and particularly with Liverpool. Only back in 2018 they threw projectiles at the Man City bus and it was not taken seriously by Liverpool the club or the fans. The reason why I am saying this seemingly irrelevant information is because I admit maybe I am being biased by the fanbase's other actions and assuming there was more blame than there maybe should be.
A man who spoke common sense but in this day and age its forbidden. Spot on cloughy as always. Was a horrible tragedy but a tragic accident it was, cant really blame an accident on anyone if you really think about it. Blame the police for not doing more? They were outnumbered and dumbstruck. Blame the liverpool fans for keep piling in? No, they just wanted to get in. So who is at fault? Nobody ffs, it was a tragic accident. We can all play victim and blame someone else but cloughy is bang on as always, it was a pure travesty what happened that day
You can also blame it on hooliganism in general. This led to perimeter fencing that trapped in the fans. And, of course, how can you ignore thousands of fans turning up and the last minute (many, if not most, who had been drinking) and causing a crush outside the ground? Sad thing is, the fans killed were the responsible ones who got there early and were already in the ground. No one seems to be able to make that distinction.
@@pizzaboy3946 Absolutely. It's so tragic but it angers me that Liverpool fans want a scapegoat to detract the blame from themselves. I understand that the families want answers, but they're questioning the wrong people!.
@@lardy70s Yes, it's understandable given the grief suffered. But sad that the families of the responsible fans regard the drunken thugs as their own to ally with. It has become very political (hence the outrage at comments like these) and politics often seems to get on the way of a search for the truth.
It's quite apparent that Brian, at least, hadn't nearly a clue exactly how the tragedy came about. I can't fault him for that, because so much of the truth was being hidden and suppressed to the wider public. What I do think is terrible though was his insistence on being right, if only based on a feeling. For such an intelligent man, he let pride get the better of his judgement a little too often, and when it concerns the lives lost at Hillsborough, it becomes a dangerous tool of propaganda. Shame on him for going so many years acting as an authority on what happened.
There was no truth hidden, the main gates opened, people who didn’t have a ticket rushed in and swamped the lower stands, Police opened some gates into the pitch midway through to allow some people to spill out but there was too many. Simple.
@@matthewcoupeofficial There were not more people in there than had tickets. That is an old myth. Its just that more people ended up in the central pens. The two side pens had far less people. The crush started OUTSIDE due to the lax nature of the police. They allowed it to happen. No filtering process.
He was always right. He’s an egotist. Great manager, possibly the best British manager of all time but he was an absolute joke of a man. Blaming drunk fans is ironic considering he was alcoholic himself. He apologised years later but only because he was forced to. He was the male version of Thatcher. Always right, never wrong, seemingly devoid of compassion.
@@lyndoncmp5751 That's what you want to believe but you're wrong because you can't accept that Liverpool fans killed their own that day. There were thousands of drunken Liverpool fans without tickets that stormed the stadium. Liverpool fans are very quiet when it comes to the Heysel disaster. Why is that???
...There was a radio phone in on Hallam FM (Sheffield's local radio station) that seemed to substantiate what Clough was alluding to. The irony was the Liverpool supporter mentioned who, with some of his mates, arrived late at the ground and was instrumental in the chaos of the surge to get in, was one of the 96 who lost their lives.
It is the police's job to police a football match, I'm an Evertonian, but if you are let into a stadium, you're going to go in. I've met people from Sheffield. They were all scabs. Does that mean everyone from Sheffield is a scab?
@@chrishaws204 ...The actual story was not from anyone in Sheffield. The presenter of the show often worked around the radio network and he got the report from a woman who worked at the Manchester Evening News who knew a reporter at the Liverpool Echo. He used to walk his dog across Stanley Park and saw this Liverpool fan most days and they would talk about the match. The week leading up to the semi final, the Liverpool fan mentioned he had'nt got tickets to the match but him and a few of his mates were going along to spend a few hours in the pub then 20 minutes before kick off, get in the queue and start jostling to cause a surge they knew the stewards could'nt cope with. They had done it at other grounds. The outpouring of grief for the ones who lost their lives overshadowed the part some other fans may have played in igniting the flame! But football fans are saints, are'nt they?
I'm glad he changed his views but I can't believe some idiots laughed in the audience at some of his comments. Disgraceful people, kids died and they weren't drunk like the sun and thatcher claimed!!!!
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
I know and care nothing about British football, but this man, whoever he is, clearly knows absolutely nothing about the science of crowd crushes. It's an engineering problem, not a human attitude problem. It's like saying that rape is about sex and the victims somehow bring it on themselves rather than saying rape is an act of violence. It must have felt almost the same to the families of the victims to hear this. I'm so sorry for them. And I hope this man feels terribly foolish for talking about a physics and engineering catastrophe as though people trapped in a crush have any control. Crushes are like tsunamis in that if you're in the back, you can barely feel it pass under your boat, but if you are in the front, you may be hit by a wave that's over a hundred feet high-- or in this case hit with pressure of over a thousand kg directly onto your lungs from all directions.
@@Dovietail you're talking absolute nonsense. Open your eyes and pull your head out of the clouds. Liverpool fans killed their own. Stop talking about something that you clearly know nothing about.
So you still believe that propaganda put out by the Police straight after it happened? Do you believe the other smears, fans urinating on the Police? Fans pickpocketing the dead? These are some of the things the Police told the press. It’s a common tactic usually used by facist regimes to dehumanise people. The Nazi’s did it with jews. I’m a scouser and I’m sick and tired of the way we all portrayed. We’re all supposed to be criminals yet gave one of or the lowest crime rates of the big UK city. Look at the crime rates for other cities. We don’t want special treatment, the city like any other has problems, but I think people would be surprised and even some shocked to see that we don’t all live in slums, with burnt out cars in the road, stray dogs roaming the streets, and gangs of drug dealers everywhere. People are so gullible to believe the things in the press. People always need someone to look down upon to maje themselves feel better about themselves. First it was the Catholics, then blacks, the Irish and scousers seem to be the easy target nowadays. English people need to take a look at their own lives and the places they live.
I was at the game from 12 midday, the central pens were getting full then!! All the inocent victims kids etc where at the bottom near the fence so they could get a view of the game. Near to the kick off is when all the pissed up ticketless lads broke in and crushed the ones at the bottom. Yes the ground was okay if everyone was orderly but football fans especially Liverpool at that time where hordes of drunken men who did as they pleased, the police where also useless as the enquiry found out, but i know where clough is coming from, just in our society people don't want to hear any truth.
Good on Cloughie. He had the guts to say what he really though. Am not even a Forest fan. Football lacks characters like him. By the way, am a Leeds fan.
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
He did later retract and apologise for his comments. In the 90s Clough was just a wreck of a man, his once brilliant mind turned to mush by his addictions. Shame a lot of his legacy was damaged by the end of his career, in his pomp he was the greatest British manager ever.
@@terrybunch7313 Taylor achieved nothing without him though. Clough was the motivator and tactician, Taylor was the talent scout and mental coach. Brilliant together, apart not so much.
@@lyndoncmp5751 I think Cloughie always rated Shankley better than himself, and possibly Paisley too. They probably were better than Clough, but Clough's achievement of getting promotion followed by a league championship and two European Cups has never really been equalled. I agree with those who say he was wrong about this and I say that as a Forest fan. I am glad he retracted his statement. As is pointed out in the comments on this thread, he was a bit of a wreck during the late eighties and early nineties. And those who speak of Taylor are right to point out his contribution. Clough was still successful without Taylor ( whilst Taylor did little without Clough ) but the combination of the two of them was amazing. Taking two fairly mediocre East Midland teams ( and the East Midlands is one of the poorest and least glamorous areas of the country ) to the league title is incredible. They didn't have the resources of the big clubs ( I'm looking at you Fergie ) and they did it all in such a short time frame ( looking at you again Fergie ).
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
It was a sad day and still is for the families of the 96 and all those affected by the tragedy.It could however have been everton or norwich at hillsborough instead just think about that when you write nonsense.YNWA JFT 96
They opened the gates because the situation outside looked like it could cause casualties. There was a huge press, even lifting a police horse off the ground, it was claimed. However, common sense tells you that if a crush is bad outside, with room and places to go, it's going to be much worse inside, with nowhere to go. That one decision was the worst made that day, I think, although it was made under pressure. But that's their job. . The fans pushing were foolish but that's what crowds often do, especially if they are trying to get somewhere. Then the police really messed up by trying to blame others.
Arriving late and then being further delayed Liverpool fans were keen to get in ground, a fatal error was made by Police to open the gate and let them in, to rush of fans, caused chain reaction and we all know the tragic result. What is unforgivable is certain newspapers and the Police blaming it on drunken fans. Tarnishing the dead as hooligans who somehow deserved to die, thats incredibly disrespectful.
This Was The Great Brian Clough at his best. Giving an opinion before he new the facts, or in fairness to him at the time, the lies he read in the papers. I'm sure he would retract this statement today if he were still with us. Great Manager and sadly missed..
+Jack O'Keefe. I think you'll find It's been proven that it wasn't Liverpool fan's fault. But a nearly 30 yeart cover up by South Yorkshire police and certain sections of the media. That was proven in a court of law and an inquest. So get your facts straight.
my facts I saw with my own eyes at 2-55pm. Organised rush at turn styles dont care what was reported how can those fans not think they contributed laughable
Hillsborough could have happened anytime to any team, it's just horrible fate it happened to Liverpool.They were always qualifying for the big matches where this tragedy was waiting to happen
The layout of, the entrances and exits, and the pens and fences of the terrace where indeed a contributing factor. However it was the shear ineptitude and criminal negligence of South Yorkshire Police that was by far the biggest factor in causing the tragedy.
Just read through all these posts and comments and I reckon there's a few people on here peddling the lies whilst it's still in court. We SEE through YOU ! JFT 96 .
I love cloughie even as an LFC fan. I've just seen 30 secs of this and in truth want to switch off. I'll prob not watch again and hope he just made a grave error of judgement. Deep down Brian was an incredible man ....... please tell me I won't be disappointed too much
LeeEvans147 he’s a horrible drunken gobshite lad, no doubt he was a decent manager, but as a person he was a vile human being with his drunken mumbling
Paul Murphy unlike King Kenny who supports racist scum by getting your team to wear t shirts in his honour what pr I cks you lot are no wonder everyone despises you
@@jackr5407 How was he spot on dude? You tell me and everyone else? You probably have a dislike of Liverpudlians in general. Just have a bit of respect man.
@@jackr5407 He blames the liverpool supporters purely on his dislike for Liverpool. I shouldn't of said he was a horrible person because I didn't know the man.
Not that much of a footballing genius. Inherited a good team at Leeds United that had been put together and coached by a proper manager, and then ruined it.
im just seeing this and frankly im appalled at some of the comments about cloughie. fact: the police lied, fact the police made some incredible mistakes. fact all of those that tragically died were innocent and anything i say after this does not detract from that. fact at 14.30 hillsborough park still had hundreds if not thousands of liverpool fans still there, many drinking i was one of the last forest fans in the ground at about 14.45. Fact police were shit at crowd control in them days it was quite common to rush the turnstiles or gates. i agree with cloughies view i dont think he would change it today, i havent, irrespective of what has been said in the court, though i do believe there should be justice for the 96 because they were innocent. i do know that if i was one of those liverpool fans that rushed in from the back, just after liverpool had a shot on goal and the crowd roared, i would still be carrying my share of the guilt
He did change his opinion though. And the reason fans were rushing in from the back was due to police not doing there fucking jobs. The police staring it in the face couldnt see what was happening why would a uy at the back trying to get in? It was the pens and the police. Justice taylor omitted fans within the first year. But the government tried to smear and blame other people. Chnaging hundreds of police statements for gods sake. Yet STILL YOU know better. Do you think HIllsborough was the ONLY time people have gone to a match and had a few drinks and not had tickets??
nothing to do with hundreds or a thousand Liverpool fans travelling to the game with sole intent of charging turn styles to get in - once again deluded
Fans were completely absolved from any blame by 2 separate investigations but Paul fucking Burgin off youtube knows better. If only theyd had you in there telling the truth because im sure Fans arrived late wasnt a thing they went over and cleared was it? From countless eye witness'.Take your agenda somewhere else you fucking dickhead. I was also there. There was no more or no less people turning up late than ANY other game. Certainly no more than the year before which,ironically, was policed properly and NO ONE died. Late arrivals to a bottleneck that was not looked at before the game by the Chief of police on that day was easily avoided if police did their jobs like they do daily all over the world at sporting events, If the same negligence was show by Authority at huge events like the Semi final then there would be many more disasters. There arent because they are policed and stewarded properly or at least competently and to cover it up afterwards and take blood from barely teenage boys to try and force a 'Drunk fan' story is is fucking disgusting but keep trying to fit everthing in into your tribal narrative. Fans have been cleared of any wrong doing.
I read on here people blaming Liverpool fans for Hillsborough and Heysel. Well, LFCs only crime, over both tragedies, was for a tiny minority to respond in the wrong manner. The opening of Leppings Lane’s gates, Was without doubt, the cause of the tragedy. If the police commander in charge that day, had his two daughters in that section, he would never have made such an irresponsible/culpable decision. The tiny minority that pushed against those just walking, may have unwittingly played some part in it, but they did not cause it! The pushing was fully observed by police officers prior to the gates being opened. Responsible policing would have prevented the tragedy 100%. Therefore, North Yorkshire constabulary are culpable, period! As for Heysel, Liverpool FC have a dedicated memorial to the tragedy. Again, poor policing and ground neglect was the cause, with both sets of fans unwittingly adding to the tragedy. Juventus and Liverpool fans began the terrible events by taunting and throwing flares and other objects at each other, but to have two large, opposing sets of fans so close, without any sufficient stewarding/policing to keep them apart was culpable of the event organisers and policing. This was a time when almost every club around the world was suffering crowd hooliganism, including Forest, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea...Juventus had a particularly nasty (minority) element of far-right facist thugs within their fans. I like to think that Liverpool fans have learned not to react to other people’s failings, and truly understand, that even throwing bottles at players coaches, or mishandling/throwing flares, can, under certain circumstances, turn to tragedy! Let’s also be grateful, of many other situations that could have turned into tragedies, far too many to list, but just one recent one below. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2329178/Prison-for-United-fans-who-fought-in-Rome.html
So by Liverpool having a memorial changes everything that happened at Heysel?. Pure scum. They killed 97 of their own and 39 at Heysel. Horrible horrible fans.
The coppers were utterly negligent towards the fans at Hillsborough yes, but the one indisputable fact is that those 96 Liverpool fans were crushed too death by other Liverpool fans. Cloughie simply said it as he saw it. He was there after all, he had a right to his opinion. And Liverpool fans don’t like being reminded of the Heysel stadium disaster.
Storm Hawk what does he know about what happened outside from the touch lines?? What lies!! There were no fans without tickets!! Trying to push into the ground. There was a dangerous crush outside..because their were only 7 turnstiles. CCTV proves that the number of fans who entered the ground was actually slightly less than the number of tickets sold! Proof there was no horse of ticketless fans. That was a lie from the police!! The blame lies squarely with them! There were no police cordons organising the cues outside the ground...Duckenfield opened Gate C to stop the crush outside the game. Which was a shambles and totally disorganised and mismanaged by the police! Nobody directed people towards the outside pens. ( which were nearly empty)So all the fans went towards the obvious place which was the central tunnel. They had no choice.. and they had no idea what they were walking into..The fans are not to blame!! And when it was obvious that there was a problem. Duckenfield froze when he should have been evacuating the pens by opening the front gates! It was fatally delayed because it was locked! People’s lives could have been saved if the emergency services had been co-ordinated correctly!! Only 3 ambulances even made it onto the pitch! They were all told to wait outside the ground by incompetent police. Half the police were told to stand in the middle of the pitch to stop fans running onto the pitch! It was ridiculous!! Very few people who died even made it to hospital! They were just left to die at the ground! Horrendous! Police were told not to write anything in their pocket books... and statements were doctored! The cover up after this disaster was appalling! And it took 27 years to get justice for the 96 families! Shame on Clough! He’s an arrogant swine!! How dare he blame the fans!!
@@Dan-wu6up His opinion was wrong. the stadium was poorly designed and the police, with those managing the situations made a huge mistake. He's wrong, opinion are not facts.
Still shouldn’t have said it! He obviously didn’t have any facts on the matter anyway so why say anything at all!?! He wrote about this in his book blaming Liverpool fans. Jst one of many occasions in which he should’ve kept his big mouth firmly shut but his ego wouldn’t allow that!!!
Sadly he was drunk at the semi final game! Sir Kenny Dalglish was so angry at this interview he wanted to include the fact he was stinking of whisky before kick-off in his own biography but was talked out of it by his ghost writer as would just add fuel to the fire of this odious interview
@@JamesRichards-mj9kw not in this case as he was proven wrong in the courts. Clough, never won a thing without Taylor. Clough was embarrassing on TV and was only put on to get bigger viewing figures. For such an expert on crowd behaviour it's odd that he didn't know what would happen if 2000 tickets for the forest end at wembley were sold to man utd fans 😂
@@JamesRichards-mj9kwI bet you're either as sober as Clough or got a connection to the SYP with the amount of drivel you're spreading here. Completely mental
@@JamesRichards-mj9kw The inqiry dealt with the disgraceful cover-up by the police, and rightly so. The crush was caused by Liverpool fans trying to force their way into the ground.
It’s his opinion but how would he off felt had Barbara or some of his kids had gone to that game in that end? He wouldn’t of been saying it their fault he’d be broken hearted so nah.
Shame he is unable to see the various documentaries on You Tube revealing the facts about why our fans were put in that situation so he can take back his words "Well they did" well they fucking did not.
Worth noting that he changed his opinion in later years, admitting that his original view was based more on the hooliganism issues of the era than the policing issues of Hillsborough.
He was told to change his opinion by the owner/editor of his magazine column.
@@pc2405 Agreed. The campaign by the families of the victims was too powerful at that time for anyone in the public eys to disagree with the stance they took. Interesting that Anderson's point was about not causing upset rather than Clough being incorrect.
Clough is a legend has only spoken the truth and he wasn’t wrong here.
@@rhythmquest I agree and, even if he were wrong, he should have been allowed to have an opinion.
Everyone has to change their opinions for lefties today as the left have destroyed freedom of speech.
Had Heysel not happened, I don't think that the conventional logic at the time would've been to blame Liverpool fans for Hillsborough. That incident unfairly clouded a different incident 4 years later.
It was a simple matter of 'here we go again'.
heysel happened
So did Hillsborough.
I wonder if there is a common factor...
@@MrRodzilla
The fans were blamed on minute 1, the police there would have done the same had it been a different club. More than a few 'close encounters' at Hillsborough in the years leading up to this btw
So did hillsbrogh and so did ibrox?are you choosing the favourite one or not accepting that heysel was accepted and justice served?
If you see a dangerous, overwhelmed crowd trying to get into a stadium, why would you join? I would toss my tickets, go home, and libe another day. Why anyone would walk into Hillsborough stadium that day is beyond me.
Any idea what you would do if you were at the front of that crowd behind you ?
You are an idiot
I'm glad Sir Bernard Ingham never apologised for telling the truth, unlike Clough.
I am a huge Brian cough fan, but he is simply so wrong to state what he did here. Liverpool fans were guilty of one thing only supporting the team they loved, one of the primary duties of Police at football matches is crowd control. They could have postponed the kick off, they should not have opened the gates. In addition, the design of the Leppings lane end is known to many an away football fan, a funnel, coupled with at the time high security fencing meant the ground was indeed a dangerous please that needed secure regulated crowd control.
Why were fans WITH NO TICKETS going in? they knew they had no tickets and the went in anyway.....
@@gigglemaniarunninwild2207 you choose to ignore the fact the disaster had nothing to do with fans without tickets as the final Hillsborough report concluded. Perhaps at least try and educate yourself and read the independent Hillsborough report and you will read for yourself the truth. Not that I think for one moment you will as you still hang on to the lies of the police that were exposed by the panel.
@@sezles1 no its YOU that is choosing to ignore that they had to be crushed by someone, there were far too many people.....and why was that? .......and you honestly think its okay for a load of fans to enter without tickets? .....that will lead to overcrowding....which led to?
@@gigglemaniarunninwild2207 read the report and see how wrong you are about so called ticketless fans. You won't do as you prefer to believe the lies of the likes of the sun. You think you know more than the independent report well you don't you prefer to continue with your bigoted views. Am done with people like you who think they know better when in fact it's just your prejudices that shine through.
@@sezles1 where can I read the full report? Why were there too many fans in that end?
Apparently he changed his mind years later. But I think this highlights it's everybody's right to have an opinion, even if others don't agree, and even if that opinion is wrong. And you have the right to change your opinion later. Personally I don't see how it can be a crime simply to be one of a large number of people going to a football match. And who wouldn't go through an open gate into a stadium when you have travelled hundreds of miles in the hope of watching a top football match? Shouldn't the blame lie mostly with the authorities who witnessed something very similar at the same ground just a few years earlier - and did absolutely nothing to prevent that disaster so obviously waiting to happen? I write all this, of course, with 20/20 hindsight vision. RIP the 96, and condolences to all their families and friends.
Yeah people can have an opinion but but the upset and offence it can cause sometimes they got keep opinion to themselves
He didn't..
If you turn up without a ticket and then cause a crush?
@lifestooshort5392 why you lying for
@@SFNDMK it’s an accepted fact that Liverpool fans turned up without tickets.
I live in Sheffield not for from Hillsborough and believe me the ground is death trap, there is corner section at the leppings lane end that is un usable as it contains asbestos and is rusting away, I believe the capacity is around 38,000 but they only allow around 34,000 in at the max and it's a death trap! The north stand is actually rusting away and that's still in full use there is around 4 different shades of blue paint on the stadium down to using cheap paint and the kop stand is propped up by 2 concrete blocks if you drive along herries road you can see it for yourself, best thing is there in the top 10 teams in the UK for high ticket/season ticket prices..... absolute shuttle of a club and Yorkshire police are really 50/50 some good some bad but the majority of police at football see everyone as hooligans and treat them like criminals not paying customers, my condolences to the liverpool fans, you get supporters now days trying to sneak into games the only difference is the police handle the situation not just say fuck it let them in an already maxed capacity stadium and riot amongst themselves, disgusting police behaviour did not one think about the poor people being crushed at the front, I remember people local to the stadium taking in families and making them food and drinks, really sad time and I imagine the police slept soundly that night.
Who was sneaking in?
Why were people without tickets going in? Genuine question. Don't know much about this
Did he not see the 81 semi final at hillsborough? Major crushing in leppings lane end and 39 injuries
Perhaps he would blame the spurs fans?
Leppings lane was too small as a standing area for big crowds, should not have been used after 1981 and I read even before that there were crushing episodes!!
He wasn't asked about 81. He was asked about 89.
@@raversrevenge8452 Maybe if he had known about it he wouldn't have looked so ignorant. '89 was not an isolated incident
@@nickmc1142 what did you want him to do? Google it before the Internet existed?
A similar thing also happened in 1988 the year before. Liverpool brought this to the attention of the FA but were ignored.
The ground hadn't been updated since the 30s they find old newspapers from the 30s stuffed in the barriers.
There is news footage from the disaster of Liverpool fans complaining that nobody checked their (legitimate) tickets on their way in. So even if some fans did get in without tickets, it would still come down to an institutional failure in the duty of care by the police and match day organisers. That's even if its true. Don't forget that thousands of witness statements were changed in order to shift blame away from the police and onto the fans. Not the Liverpool fans' fault. From a proud Arsenal fan. JFT96.
I remember your rivals (spurs) suffering in the leppings lane in the 1981 semi final, 8 years before!
Spot on.
The leppings lane end was almost full before the fans outside charged in
What a typical gay and Proud Arsenal fan ?? Iron hoof .
The ground was not fit to hpld a semi final. in 81 wolves v spurs there were fans spilling onto the pitch 87 Leeds v xoventry , the Leeds fans were xrammed into the Leppings lane end . my brother couldn't breathe after the game . he thought he was gonna die. sadly an accident waiting to happen.
I was at that game as a Cov fan on the kop and I heard countless city fans state they should have been at the other end and Leeds on the Kop as it looked rammed full. In the quarter final we played there City were at the leppings lane end and have heard first hand from a family member that it was very uncomfortable to be in that end. A disaster waiting to happen that did not wait long.
No accident, a disaster waiting to happen.
Ian Bennett All you fans that know all about football grounds in the 80's amaze me. Every standing area was uncomfortable when it was full. Look at the films from that time. A disaster waiting to happen YES. It just happened to be at Hillsborough. It could have happened at any of the big stadiums with very bad policing and 1500 ticketless fans.
But it didnte and it nearly happened at Hillsbrough multile times before. They didnt even have a fucking Valid safety License and Duckenfield didnt attend the ground ONCE when given the appointment to do his job and see how these types of things could be avoided which even AFTER the crush outside, Could have been by simply directing people AWAY from that pen into the smaller pens there were NO police there doing that. Its their fucking Job. Not there job to make Video recordings go missing and change over 100 statements.
@@craigeast3682 - There were not 1500 ticketless fans, if you're going to open your disgusting mouth then get your facts straight boy.
Something happens to you once you make a personal commitment to honour and serve The Truth; it has a subtle and progressive effect of completely taking you over and altering the very nature of your Being until it makes you Whole.
Nice.
Brian Clough stole 10,000 out of the Nottingham Forest ticket office when Forest played Man United in the league cup final in 1991 , those tickets ended up in the hands of touts who sold them to Man United fans and caused a riot in the Forest end , is that in his book .
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He gave his opinion based on the interpretation of what he saw with his own eyes at the time, unfortunately the facts which would may have provided some context to explain what he saw and allow him to re-evaluate his opinion sooner were covered up with lies upon lies by both the police force and media.
Having said that, 96 people lost their lives so it may have been more appropriate to have not said anything.
There were no "lies". The drunk ticketless fans caused all of the deaths.
@@MarkHarrison733Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
The only people responsible are those that were pushing, no one else. In the end it became a witchhunt.
@@MarkHarrison733 This is false andas was stated by a public inquiry.
@@TheSt1092 A fake "inquiry".
Honestly, so many here still spout off the lies that Liverpool supporters caused this by entering without tickets. That lie, told by the police to cover up their actions has been debunked. They even admit it now. No, back then you always got some who entered without tickets to big games. But even the police admitted the number would have been so small as to not affect or cause this disaster. Were those who entered without tickets to blame? No. was it wrong? yes. But, it was common practice back then. the rush was aused by the polie and authorities putting far to many fans in a small stand, in confined pens. selling to many tickets, opening gates that should not have been opened as to many fans were already in the pens. They also failed to dispurse fans to the outer pens and allowed them all to go to the central pens. This caused the disaster. I do not are who you support, blaming the fans is wrong, it could have happened to any supporter who went to a game at that end at that time.
All the factors that caused the Hillsborough disaster have happened at countless Football matches before over and over again, but sadly they all came together on that fateful day of April 15th 1989! The saddest day of my life!!! Liverpool F.C. forever! And Justice for the 96 at last!!!
Very true words bud ya a gent, Up the Toon
I was in Celtic park that day to watch Rangers v St Johnstone, Couldn't believe it when I heard the news. RIP 💙66❤96
@King Royal What airport's this?
@King Royal are you on crack?
@King Royal good, get it round u ya hun rat
Cloughie later realised he was wrong and said: "“I now accept the investigations have made me realise I was misinformed.
I wasn't trying to be vindictive or unsympathetic, but my opinion has altered over the years. It was never my intention to hurt anyone.”
He still shouldn't have ever said this though. How could he not realise how hurtful it was? I'm a lifelong Forest fan btw.
Great comment Simon!!
I wasn't aware he admitted he was wrong and to be fair it's little wonder people were under the wrong impression such was the intensity and onesidedness of the media's coverage at the time.
I agree though...... how on earth did he think his initial comments could be construed as anything other than deeply offensive???
I dont think for one minute his comments were meant to hurt.......On the face of it , as he saw it on the day , he was right in what he said,.......But didnt realise it was actually the the Fault of the Police that caused the tragedy
@@michaelrudge3927 I wonder what Cloughie would have to say about it now...Now that we know the truth...from what I remember Clough was just going on what he was told happened and certain sections of the media did not do much to convince him otherwise
Why Shouldn’t He Have Said It?
It wasn't their fault it was the incompetence of the police and the fact that inside the ground there were no stewards directing the fans to either side of the tunnel were there was loads of room. I watched it live and could even see this as a Liverpool fan.
" 96 people , or whatever it was , dying " sums it all up
97
3-5-2 was the formation employed by El-Tel’s England side at Euro ‘96 funnily enough!
Cry harder.
@@savedfaveshe was quoting what was said in the video, that’s why he said 96 not 97😭
threetimestwogamed it was Liverpool "Fans???" who charged from the back and forced the poor kids who had tickets and were where the were entitled to be, and forced them against the railings. Clough was % 100 right
Speaking about people as a 'group' is always dangerous and ill-advised. The innocent people who lost their lives that day certainly didn't deserve anything other than to be kept safe whilst they supported their football club. Cloughy showing both ignorance, arrogance and a lack of compassion here.
@King Royal what is “lol” about that??? Fucking idiot.
They were drunk and had forged tickets.
@@MarkHarrison733bet you got that from your rear
The hard truth is Loserpool hooligans caused the deaths of "innocent" Loserpool fans.
@@MarkHarrison733Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
As much as I love Brian Clough, his comments were out of *such* proportion here and insulting to the victims and their families. But again, Hillsborough *will* sadly remain one of Britain's greatest ever cover-ups. I mean, the chief superintendent of Yorkshire police of that day (David Duckenfield) has been legally acquitted twice of lawful wrongdoing. But sadly again, when do English football fans themselves learn (e.g. the Euro 2020 final).
@King Royal Yes there was. Why are people still to this day denying it when the evidence is against the police. Forget about Liverpool for a sec but this is people's lives we are talking about.
I'm not defending Clough in any way , although he was wrong in this case . He had no filter when it came to opinions . He said what he thought whether it was wrong or right . I remember when Nott'm Forest played Celtic in a UEFA Cup match in 1983 . A wall collapsed at the Celtic end of the ground. Clough rose from his dugout and went over to the Celtic fans and starting berating them for fighting and causing the mayhem . Later , when the facts emerged , he begrudgingly retracted his condemnation . Cloughie always acted impulsively in such matters .
Easily the best manager ever and I support lfc but total bollocks 96 died prick and oh my god these lfc scum how dare they get stretchers and help each other while pissing and the rest. Rest your head you should be ashamed.
Much as I admired Brian Clough. He was totally wrong in what he said on Hillsborough tragedy, lacking sensitivity & compassion towards the victims.
Karmatic justice?
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No he wasn't. He's right. Drunken yobs with no tickets caused this disaster.
@@lardy70s Perimeter fences, poor design of stadium & Policing at Hillsborough all contributory factors. Anne Williams campaigner for Justice for 96 R.I.P.
@@ianhart8811 yes they're all factors. If it wasn't for the drunken, ticketless yobs that forced their way into the ground then this tragedy wouldn't have happened. Liverpool fans caused this. Open your eyes and stop trying to detract the blame from yourselves. RIP to the 97.
@@lardy70s your immature, how were 15, 14 and 10 year old boys drunk?. You’re a total idiot the police have since admitted it was them that open the gate and it wasn’t broken down by fans. Read history all of it
To say that thousands of fans who HAD been drinking turning up with a few minutes to go had NOTHING to do with it is ridiculous
Drink didn't play any part in it you fool. Read the report.
The capacity was wildly overestimated, there were no more Liverpool fans than the stated capacity and the police didn't close off the central pens. The crush was already beginning before the gate was open. The FA had ignored warnings about crushes (due to the capacity of the ground not being as high as claimed) and the potential for congestion at the turnstiles. Liverpool fans (I'm not one) are not to blame.
Shame on BRIAN CLOUGH, I wonder how this tastes now he's in the next life....
Thousands off fans trying to get into 20 odd turnstiles is wa coursed it u fucking bellend
@@lewisbuxton6690 So its the fans fault? Is that what you're saying?
Its always the innocent that end up getting it. I find it amazing that every single Liverpool fan that day was completely sober and all had tickets, obviously none of them were robbing the corner shops for beer. I spoke to a wednesday fan who was there that day, said Liverpool were out of order. I wonder what Juve think about Liverpool?
Most matches in the world have drunk fans, what is your point?
@@forestsunset9617 that the Liverpool fans aren't without blame.
@@jamiekelly7280 what because they are from Liverpool they act differently?
It was the Liverpool fans
Hillsborough: Former Sun editor apologises to Liverpool
The former editor of the Sun has offered "profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool" for blaming fans for the Hillsborough tragedy.
It follows the release of a report into the disaster which resulted in the death of 96 fans.
Kelvin MacKenzie wrote the headline The Truth on the front-page story which ran four days later.
Trevor Hicks, of the Hillsborough Families Support Group, said it was "too little, too late".
In a statement Mr MacKenzie said: "Today I offer my profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool for that headline.
"I too was totally misled. Twenty-three years ago I was handed a piece of copy from a reputable news agency in Sheffield in which a senior police officer and a senior local MP were making serious allegations against fans in the stadium.
"I had absolutely no reason to believe that these authority figures would lie and deceive over such a disaster.
"As the prime minister has made clear these allegations were wholly untrue and were part of a concerted plot by police officers to discredit the supporters thereby shifting the blame for the tragedy from themselves.
"It has taken more than two decades, 400,000 documents and a two-year inquiry to discover to my horror that it would have been far more accurate had I written the headline The Lies rather than The Truth.
"I published in good faith and I am sorry that it was so wrong."
Didn't he retract this statement soon after?
Stuart S Brian retracted this statement soon after lol. You obviously no nothing about the man.
That was a man kowtowing to a public shaming. The consensus around the "facts" of Hillsborough is balderdash.
Spencer Max never happened pal
Reading comments on here remind me why I have gone off football. Vile comments from some.
Its worse now though because they can hide behind their computers. Most of these rats wouldnt dare say it in real life.
I'm a villa fan but grow up loving liverpool in 70s and 80s made me proud to b English but iv been to a semi final ov the fa cup wd the villa I like a drink shag punch up and sniff u dont turn up 5000 strung at 5 2 3 u get in the ground at 230 soak the atmosphere up thay turned up and rushed the gates couse thay had no tickets same 4 the people that passed theres a lot ov scouser wd boold on there hands great club tho
Yes
And Hearing his comments remind me why I went off Brian Clough
But none so vile as his
Martin Buttler shut up you fkn idiot the police opened the gates where have you been you moron?
Clough wasnt there. He was in the changing room.
Maybe the police should have made all the forest squad and management get into hillsborough by climbing through a toilet window all at the same time.
Dear oh dear, wherever Brian Clough is now, the victims of Hillsborough will be there with him reminding him how wrong he was. What a shame he had that view.
Many people did unfortunately.
A good Honest Man.
An alcoholic idiot
Would this disaster happened if Forest Fans had the Lep End🤔
Exactly take care
What people need to realise,is there weren't to many people in leppings lane, there were to many in the central pens which the police could of stop by closing the gates of the tunnel and sending fans to the side pens.
@@lardy70s The police could've stopped them going in but they didn't..Simple as
@@lardy70s The Leppings Lane end was UNDER OCCUPIED. If you bothered to read the report.
The problem was too many fans were directed down the tunnel to the central pens.
Can’t believe 33 years later and you still get people as thick as pig shit spouting such nonsense.
You’re either a S*n reader or a Tory nonce
pens are for farm animals
The central tunnel didn't have its own gates. Went in that central pen many a time. They should never have opened the gates as they did.
@@peterwalker4843Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
Clough is effectively saying - if you get on a plane in a casually and slightly disorderly manner through the wrong gate after queuing in a very narrow corridor. with loads of other people And then the plane crashes because of engine failure. It's your own fault.
No what he's saying is if thousands of you turn up to the plane having not bought a ticket and force your way on, it's probably gonna crash
@@BT-kc3ee And what the inquiry says was "if thousands of you turn up to the plane having not bought a ticket and force your way on, it's the Police to blame, not you".
@@bingola45 exactly
@@wrath_of_thrawn2163 The police didn't behave very honourably in the aftermath.
instead of co-operating with the enquiry, they went into 'self-preservation' mode, muddying the waters in an effort to pre-empt the inevitable accusation of blame by the Liverpool fans.
I doubt we will ever know the true chain of events which led to this dreadful disaster.
you wouldn't get on a plane without a ticket ya clown.
'I never thought about it being diplomatic or otherwise'.
In his own words.
Well the fans have been acquitted so somebody did think 👏
Liverpool fan; Crowd control, crowd mentality and duty of care were not a thing during this time. An individual can be held to account for making questionable decisions but when thousands of individuals are ushered somewhere at the behest of the police then that's a different story completely. Clough's opinion changed in his later years and I suspect that's down to his experience being part of a crowd rather than being the leader of it
Nobody was 'ushered' anywhere. Opening the gate simply moved the crush elsewhere.
@@tooleyheadbang4239 how is opening the gate not ushering people? Did they open it to test the hinges or to get people through it? And why are you nitpicking that anyway?
@@darthpepe2994 The police made an error of judgement. A crush was forming, and at the time it looked as if opening the gate might be the best thing to do.
It wasn't.
The police afterwards made another error. A disgraceful one, this time.
They decided to collude with the authorities to cover up their tragic error.
This second error wasn't tragic. It was criminal.
@@tooleyheadbang4239 all of which I agree with, but you challenged my comment on them "ushering" the fans through, which they did by opening that gate
i don't care if the police held up a sign that said elle mcpherson was inside the stadium naked, its still liverpool fans pushing against the resistance that caused a crush
These are Brian Cloughs words in 2001:
Finally, in 2001, he said: “I now accept the investigations have made me realise I was misinformed. I wasn't trying to be vindictive or unsympathetic, but my opinion has altered over the years. It was never my intention to hurt anyone.”
So, this apparently intelligent man of the people was blinded by the light of truth for 12 long years.
Clough never changed his view. He was ordered to release that statement in 2001 by his employer, as his remarks on Hillsborough had caused controversy regarding his weekly column.
Call Clough what you want, but I don't think anyone would ever say he was a liar. He was asked about what he saw and experienced and he was honest with his opinion, as he always was. Of course, the shoe would be on the other foot if it had been Forest fans killed and the Liverpool manager said what Clough did. . .
John Bull I think you are mistaken. Actually, if you read the drivel Mr. Clough inflicted on the world in his autobiography you will realise that much of his viewpoint stemmed from regurgitating vile newspaper/government garbage that had been concocted to lay the blame on the fans.
Do you think Mr. Clough would have had the courage to retract his mistaken comments once justice was finally done and these vile lies disproved?
As for your second point, irrelevant, pointless speculation designed to distract attention from the deeply embarrassing lies spouted by Mr. Clouigh. Disappointing all round.
@@BS-jr3dl unfortunately Liverpool fans killed their own that day and nothing will change it. Clough was there and spoke his mind. Sad but very true. Who was responsible for the Heysel disaster?????.
@@lardy70s Reported for misinformation. The Liverpool fans were not to blame, the inquest has vindicated them all and rightly so.
The problem was three-fold: they opened the gate at that end, the stadium was oversold, the blue fences allowed people to be crushed
And the fans were drunk.
@@MarkHarrison733smh really
and liverpool fans pushed
@@MrRodzilla pushed what?
@@SFNDMK pushed the person in front of them
Come on if the turnstiles were open any fan would go in the blame is the people running the gates for leaving them open and the police and media blaming the Liverpool fans is a disgrace.
I'm sure Cloughy would change his view if he could. His comments disappoint me greatly for a man I respect immensely. The basic reality is, regardless of how many fans turned up and where they were, the authorities have a duty of care once those supporters arrive at the stadium, to keep them safe. They failed to do that. There is the wider context here in terms of the disgusting behaviour of the establishment at the time and the years and years it took those brave families to correct all the lies that were put out there and thus became people's accepted thought process around Hillsborough. Collusion on a grand scale by the establishment in every corner. The process of the enquiry and the outcome will enable others who seek justice from tragedy, like the those poor souls at Grenfell Towers...
They had responsibility for it tho. People without tickets push in
@@MichaelSmith-jt1ff Go and read a book you cretin.
@@MichaelSmith-jt1ffReported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
Funny the way all these "football fans" have passes comment on fake tickets or fans without tickets like that day was the only game in history that fans tried to get in without tickets..... this happened in every big game with most clubs so the comments are aload of shite! Should never have been held at that stadium with what happened the year before. Police should have been more in control, the cover up and lies after it happened is what got LFC families and fans backs up over the whole tragedy!
Cloughie been wrong before. As we all have. BC never believed in luck nor god. He simply feared failure on any terms. Just one man banked on self. Cheers BC!
Brian commented with the facts he believed at the time if the police,s version of events were true then Brian was right,nobody likes to think the police would cover it up,had he had the facts today of the cover up i,m sure he would think differently.
JOE HAWKINGS I agree,i was annoyed when I watched this clip but things have changed and also time,ynwa
yes Joe Hawkings, I think you have got it just about right there. Although Brian was there, he wasn't outside the turnstiles so he couldn't possibly know what had gone on there. There are many people who have changed their opinion on Hillsborough over time, unfortunately Brian is no longer with us so we can't ask him now.
I Think Brian would have believed the police when they said there was no grooming going on in Rotherham to and the far right were lying,as it turned out the ones only telling the truth, for their own agenda of course, were the far right,Nobody wants to admit police counil social services were lying but the cover up was the same.
The Taylor Report had already exonerated the Liverpool fans years before Clough spoke shite.
knuddle1968 alky twat was probably pissed at the game, like he was in this clip.
I agree with Brian and love that he doubled down.
Even though he's wrong?
Tip old big head an amazing man who's entitled to his opinion.
Rip to all 96 who sadly lost their lives 💔
97 now it is and has been for a few years.
To think Scousers are usually quite adapt at climbing fences when they are performing a B&E
It's terrible the way the police forced those fans to travel without tickets and force the gate to be opened and then squashed them all into the ground. Shame on them.
Alan Dunne What lies!! There were no fans without tickets!! Trying to push into the ground. There was a dangerous crush outside..because their were only 7 turnstiles. CCTV proves that the number of fans who entered the ground was actually slightly less than the number of tickets sold! Proof there was no horse of ticketless fans. That was a lie from the police!! The blame lies squarely with them! There were no police cordons organising the cues outside the ground...Duckenfield opened Gate C to stop the crush outside the game. Which was a shambles and totally disorganised and mismanaged by the police! Nobody directed people towards the outside pens. ( which were nearly empty)So all the fans went towards the obvious place which was the central tunnel. They had no choice.. and they had no idea what they were walking into..The fans are not to blame!! And when it was obvious that there was a problem. Duckenfield froze when he should have been evacuating the pens by opening the front gates! It was fatally delayed because it was locked! People’s lives could have been saved if the emergency services had been co-ordinated correctly!! Only 3 ambulances even made it onto the pitch! They were all told to wait outside the ground by incompetent police. Half the police were told to stand in the middle of the pitch to stop fans running onto the pitch! It was ridiculous!! Very few people who died even made it to hospital! They were just left to die at the ground! Horrendous! Police were told not to write anything in their pocket books... and statements were doctored! The cover up after this disaster was appalling! And it took 27 years to get justice for the 96 families! Shame on Clough! He’s an arrogant swine!! How dare he blame the fans!!
Five years on, are you still thick as shit
0:39 Brian Clough telling it how it is, like he said no one else was pushing that day.
Learn to queue up in a normal, civilised manner and this tragedy would never have happened.
We did you tool
Reported for misinformation. The Liverpool fans were not to blame, the inquest has vindicated them all and rightly so.
Read most of the bickering comments on here think the best way to say it is justice has been done and RIP to the 96 and all at heysel
Justice has not been done at all, they only admitted what we all knew and vindicated the fans, no one has been brought to justice for the unlawful killing of 97 Liverpool fans (yes its 97 now)
@@jerryslayer Liverpool fans killed their own. If you think justice means that someone will go to jail, then you're gravely mistaken. If it wasn't for them drunken yobs that rushed the stadium then their wouldn't have been this tragic disaster. Liverpool fans need to stop blaming others than trying to detract the blame from themselves.
@@lardy70s You are a horrible, blinded, gullible fool. Reported for misinformation. The Liverpool fans were not to blame, the inquest has vindicated them all and rightly so.
@@lardy70sReported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
Back then we still didn’t really know how the disaster started or was caused.
We did (the people of Liverpool) Clough was probably drunk as F anyway and didn't know what he was talking about, Great manager but a top tit when it came to making them comments
Yes we do, it was caused by drunken ticketless c**ns wantingnto getninthe ground
No shit sherlock
He didn't always get it right, calling Tomaschevski a clown was plain ridiculous so was his accusations that Liverpool fans were solely responsible for Hillsborough.
And saying it was a shame for football when Italy won.
Yeah Brian was so wrong about Hillsborough u can't make sweeping statement without all the facts, I would be right in thinking this would have lost Brian much appreciation from Lfc fans, but no one is perfect
@Stalin I'm sorry but Heysel is always mentioned and that was dealt with with fans getting arrested so no one is acting "high and mighty"
Love this man, but was out of line with his comments about Liverpool fans,
Always the victims
@@arthurmorgan7086 They were the victims in this case. Proven now. So fuck off.
despite 30 years fighting the cover up people still make comments like the ones on here
Mr Clough was there but from the touchline did he see why the gates where opened
William Jones exactly! He had no idea! So should keep his trap shut!!
That's why he was called big Ed
Not subjective enough
Too much of a know it all
when in truth we all know fuck all
but I know that the organisers, the police then and before the game (wolves v spurs hillsborough) were to control and manage the crowds and the kick off time.
RIP what a tragedy 😢😢😢
I understand that Brian Clough could only go by what he knew at the time, and was expressing an opinion based on what he'd been told by police and Notts Forest staff, but he absolutely didnt need to be pointing the finger of blame in any of the victims direction. He had a habit of feeling he needed to comment on everything. He didnt.
NoMoreHideTheBall exactly. How the hell did he know what went on outside the ground from
The touch line! He just likes mouthing off. Arrogant git!!
I liked Brian but think his comment was wrong,this was a disaster waiting to happen as the health and safety at football grounds at that time was virtually none existent,I remember going to an away game at Old Trafford when Man U where building a new stand at our end and it was like a gully leading to the make shift turnstiles and contiplas walls,I was lifted off my feet by the power of the crowd trying to get in so much so that temporary walls collapsed and we just walked in for free,which was great but prior to that it was a very frightening experience.
It's tricky and I always respected brian but sometimes it's best to say nowt
Fox m it’s never best to say nothing bro
I feel the issue with saying they brought it on themselves is that the ones who died were at the front, with tickets and did absolutely nothing wrong. The Liverpool fans who turned up drunk without a ticket and late are probably partially to blame along with the police.
Have a read of the Hillsborough Independent Panel Report, might enlighten a few on here who have no idea what they're talking about.
@@pc2405 is there something in particular that I said which is wrong/ you disagree with?
@@paulcasey4282 "drunk without a ticket and late" is incorrect.
Drunk - No arrests for drunkenness and also no photographs of drunk fans or bins full of cans despite the police searching through the vast amount of photos taken that day.
Tickets - Using ground cctv the report counted the number of fans that entered the Leppings Lane either by turnstile or the gate (which was opened by the police). The number of fans counted was very close to the number of tickets sold (I think the number of fans counted was actually less than number of tickets sold).
Late - It's estimated that 5000 fans were still outside at 14.30 for a match started at 15.00. This is because there was an insufficient amount of turnstiles open to allow fans to enter (it's all there proven in the report). The police first reported a crush outside at 14.30 to a match commander who had arrived at the ground at 14.15.
@@pc2405 Thank you for the information. I don't want it to come across that I support the initial report by the police which was obviously bogus.
With regards to alcohol, it seems that the initial report way oversold the story but at any football game, there are going to be small groups who are too drunk. Football hooliganism was/is a problem in all of English football and particularly with Liverpool. Only back in 2018 they threw projectiles at the Man City bus and it was not taken seriously by Liverpool the club or the fans. The reason why I am saying this seemingly irrelevant information is because I admit maybe I am being biased by the fanbase's other actions and assuming there was more blame than there maybe should be.
@@paulcasey4282 Your a dickhead who clearly has a problem with Liverpool.
A man who spoke common sense but in this day and age its forbidden. Spot on cloughy as always. Was a horrible tragedy but a tragic accident it was, cant really blame an accident on anyone if you really think about it. Blame the police for not doing more? They were outnumbered and dumbstruck. Blame the liverpool fans for keep piling in? No, they just wanted to get in. So who is at fault? Nobody ffs, it was a tragic accident. We can all play victim and blame someone else but cloughy is bang on as always, it was a pure travesty what happened that day
You can also blame it on hooliganism in general. This led to perimeter fencing that trapped in the fans. And, of course, how can you ignore thousands of fans turning up and the last minute (many, if not most, who had been drinking) and causing a crush outside the ground?
Sad thing is, the fans killed were the responsible ones who got there early and were already in the ground. No one seems to be able to make that distinction.
Liverpool fans killed their own plain and simple!.
@@lardy70s Agree. Looks to me like they were the ones turning up late, forcing their way in and crushing the fans.
@@pizzaboy3946 Absolutely. It's so tragic but it angers me that Liverpool fans want a scapegoat to detract the blame from themselves. I understand that the families want answers, but they're questioning the wrong people!.
@@lardy70s Yes, it's understandable given the grief suffered. But sad that the families of the responsible fans regard the drunken thugs as their own to ally with. It has become very political (hence the outrage at comments like these) and politics often seems to get on the way of a search for the truth.
Police and Ground staff issue but fans have to take a certain amount of responsibility but I would have probably done the same.
Football is fun but don't get carried away with it.
It's quite apparent that Brian, at least, hadn't nearly a clue exactly how the tragedy came about. I can't fault him for that, because so much of the truth was being hidden and suppressed to the wider public. What I do think is terrible though was his insistence on being right, if only based on a feeling. For such an intelligent man, he let pride get the better of his judgement a little too often, and when it concerns the lives lost at Hillsborough, it becomes a dangerous tool of propaganda. Shame on him for going so many years acting as an authority on what happened.
There was no truth hidden, the main gates opened, people who didn’t have a ticket rushed in and swamped the lower stands, Police opened some gates into the pitch midway through to allow some people to spill out but there was too many. Simple.
It was all videoed and recorded.
@@matthewcoupeofficial There were not more people in there than had tickets. That is an old myth. Its just that more people ended up in the central pens. The two side pens had far less people. The crush started OUTSIDE due to the lax nature of the police. They allowed it to happen. No filtering process.
He was always right. He’s an egotist.
Great manager, possibly the best British manager of all time but he was an absolute joke of a man.
Blaming drunk fans is ironic considering he was alcoholic himself.
He apologised years later but only because he was forced to.
He was the male version of Thatcher. Always right, never wrong, seemingly devoid of compassion.
@@lyndoncmp5751 That's what you want to believe but you're wrong because you can't accept that Liverpool fans killed their own that day. There were thousands of drunken Liverpool fans without tickets that stormed the stadium. Liverpool fans are very quiet when it comes to the Heysel disaster. Why is that???
Football is taken far too seriously in this life. In the 80s it was chaos. Tragic for many people. Now players are on 100 grand a week. It's surreal.
...There was a radio phone in on Hallam FM (Sheffield's local radio station) that seemed to substantiate what Clough was alluding to. The irony was the Liverpool supporter mentioned who, with some of his mates, arrived late at the ground and was instrumental in the chaos of the surge to get in, was one of the 96 who lost their lives.
It is the police's job to police a football match, I'm an Evertonian, but if you are let into a stadium, you're going to go in. I've met people from Sheffield. They were all scabs. Does that mean everyone from Sheffield is a scab?
@@chrishaws204 Coal mining should have been phased out during the 1960s.
@@chrishaws204 ...The actual story was not from anyone in Sheffield. The presenter of the show often worked around the radio network and he got the report from a woman who worked at the Manchester Evening News who knew a reporter at the Liverpool Echo. He used to walk his dog across Stanley Park and saw this Liverpool fan most days and they would talk about the match. The week leading up to the semi final, the Liverpool fan mentioned he had'nt got tickets to the match but him and a few of his mates were going along to spend a few hours in the pub then 20 minutes before kick off, get in the queue and start jostling to cause a surge they knew the stewards could'nt cope with. They had done it at other grounds. The outpouring of grief for the ones who lost their lives overshadowed the part some other fans may have played in igniting the flame! But football fans are saints, are'nt they?
I'm glad he changed his views but I can't believe some idiots laughed in the audience at some of his comments. Disgraceful people, kids died and they weren't drunk like the sun and thatcher claimed!!!!
Ticketless fans trying to get in for nothing
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
@@Marcus__Trance always the victims never your fault.
Theatre of Dreams
I just wish Cloughie had been around when the truth came out years later
He was well dead by then drunk in a ditch and still think he was the greatest manager ynea
Love the man, but he was wrong what he said,
@@granto6738 He was correct.
@@leefairfield7537 I love the man but he was a bit harsh, big mis
@@granto6738 He’s from an age where people didnt take offence and he was right about what he said
Worth noting he was seen having a tipple around1,45pm thatday in the executive lounge .. WITH DUCKENFIELD THE MATCH COMMANDER
Proof ?
Liverpool fans were at fault for this. ?Humm obviously the police had a word with cough on the day and told lies to him. Shameful.
I know and care nothing about British football, but this man, whoever he is, clearly knows absolutely nothing about the science of crowd crushes. It's an engineering problem, not a human attitude problem. It's like saying that rape is about sex and the victims somehow bring it on themselves rather than saying rape is an act of violence. It must have felt almost the same to the families of the victims to hear this. I'm so sorry for them. And I hope this man feels terribly foolish for talking about a physics and engineering catastrophe as though people trapped in a crush have any control. Crushes are like tsunamis in that if you're in the back, you can barely feel it pass under your boat, but if you are in the front, you may be hit by a wave that's over a hundred feet high-- or in this case hit with pressure of over a thousand kg directly onto your lungs from all directions.
It's more than just a physics and engineering problem when many of the Liverpool fans attended without tickets.
@@Adam-hi4mg I have seen or read no evidence of that period in fact, I have read evidence that that was a false rumor.
@@Dovietail you're talking absolute nonsense. Open your eyes and pull your head out of the clouds. Liverpool fans killed their own. Stop talking about something that you clearly know nothing about.
So you still believe that propaganda put out by the Police straight after it happened?
Do you believe the other smears, fans urinating on the Police?
Fans pickpocketing the dead?
These are some of the things the Police told the press.
It’s a common tactic usually used by facist regimes to dehumanise people. The Nazi’s did it with jews.
I’m a scouser and I’m sick and tired of the way we all portrayed.
We’re all supposed to be criminals yet gave one of or the lowest crime rates of the big UK city.
Look at the crime rates for other cities.
We don’t want special treatment, the city like any other has problems, but I think people would be surprised and even some shocked to see that we don’t all live in slums, with burnt out cars in the road, stray dogs roaming the streets, and gangs of drug dealers everywhere.
People are so gullible to believe the things in the press.
People always need someone to look down upon to maje themselves feel better about themselves.
First it was the Catholics, then blacks, the Irish and scousers seem to be the easy target nowadays.
English people need to take a look at their own lives and the places they live.
I was at the game from 12 midday, the central pens were getting full then!! All the inocent victims kids etc where at the bottom near the fence so they could get a view of the game. Near to the kick off is when all the pissed up ticketless lads broke in and crushed the ones at the bottom. Yes the ground was okay if everyone was orderly but football fans especially Liverpool at that time where hordes of drunken men who did as they pleased, the police where also useless as the enquiry found out, but i know where clough is coming from, just in our society people don't want to hear any truth.
Good on Cloughie. He had the guts to say what he really though. Am not even a Forest fan. Football lacks characters like him. By the way, am a Leeds fan.
Leeds fans are known for their racist views
Proper nazis them lads
No surprise your a leed fan, all just a bunch of bad dickheads
Incredible ignorance, the truth is now out there.
Ticket-less fans should not have been there. End of.
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
He did later retract and apologise for his comments. In the 90s Clough was just a wreck of a man, his once brilliant mind turned to mush by his addictions. Shame a lot of his legacy was damaged by the end of his career, in his pomp he was the greatest British manager ever.
I don't think Clough was a great manager. A lot of his success was dependent on Peter Taylor's presence.
@@terrybunch7313 Taylor achieved nothing without him though. Clough was the motivator and tactician, Taylor was the talent scout and mental coach. Brilliant together, apart not so much.
Shanks was greater, both as a manager and a human being and he built a long term dynasty.
He didn't. FourFourTwo made him do it.
@@lyndoncmp5751 I think Cloughie always rated Shankley better than himself, and possibly Paisley too. They probably were better than Clough, but Clough's achievement of getting promotion followed by a league championship and two European Cups has never really been equalled.
I agree with those who say he was wrong about this and I say that as a Forest fan. I am glad he retracted his statement. As is pointed out in the comments on this thread, he was a bit of a wreck during the late eighties and early nineties.
And those who speak of Taylor are right to point out his contribution. Clough was still successful without Taylor ( whilst Taylor did little without Clough ) but the combination of the two of them was amazing. Taking two fairly mediocre East Midland teams ( and the East Midlands is one of the poorest and least glamorous areas of the country ) to the league title is incredible. They didn't have the resources of the big clubs ( I'm looking at you Fergie ) and they did it all in such a short time frame ( looking at you again Fergie ).
The Liverpool fans caused all of the deaths.
Reported for misinformation. The Liverpool fans were not to blame, the inquest has vindicated them all and rightly so.
Reported for misinformation. The inquest made it crystal clear. Fans were NOT to blame for what happened. Verdict was unlawful killing. Stop being ignorant.
@@Marcus__Trance The "inquest" was a joke.
The Liverpool fans charged the gate, causing all of the deaths.
@@Marcus__Trance The fans were 100% to blame.
who's fault do you think it was?
Peter Hamilton police! And the FA! The ground was unsafe! Police failed to control the entrances!
It was a sad day and still is for the families of the 96 and all those affected by the tragedy.It could however have been everton or norwich at hillsborough instead just think about that when you write nonsense.YNWA JFT 96
Yes, just coincidence that it was the infamous Liverpool supporters.
Makes me wonder if he was yet again drunk on this clip he was a legend in his own mind
@@jameslamprell4189 offended by everything, responsible for nothing. Absolutely perfect
Moran
@@colmoreilly1323 don't get your. reply if your attempting to wind me up it should be Moron but reading your name it speaks volumes.
@@michaelmoran9399 cry because he’s spot on
Truth hurts
And this is why you don't speak on opinion rather than actual facts. And he spoke on opinion and was very wrong.
Good point fact was I saw it and Liverpool fans contributed to the tragedy
He was there. Were you there?
They opened the gates because the situation outside looked like it could cause casualties. There was a huge press, even lifting a police horse off the ground, it was claimed.
However, common sense tells you that if a crush is bad outside, with room and places to go, it's going to be much worse inside, with nowhere to go. That one decision was the worst made that day, I think, although it was made under pressure. But that's their job. . The fans pushing were foolish but that's what crowds often do, especially if they are trying to get somewhere. Then the police really messed up by trying to blame others.
Arriving late and then being further delayed Liverpool fans were keen to get in ground, a fatal error was made by Police to open the gate and let them in, to rush of fans, caused chain reaction and we all know the tragic result. What is unforgivable is certain newspapers and the Police blaming it on drunken fans. Tarnishing the dead as hooligans who somehow deserved to die, thats incredibly disrespectful.
The drunk fans were 100% to blame.
This Was The Great Brian Clough at his best. Giving an opinion before he new the facts, or in fairness to him at the time, the lies he read in the papers. I'm sure he would retract this statement today if he were still with us. Great Manager and sadly missed..
But he had one tremendously BIG mouth and it shows here
He was there he saw it
@@luketasker5217And he was wrong
+Jack O'Keefe. I think you'll find It's been proven that it wasn't Liverpool fan's fault. But a nearly 30 yeart cover up by South Yorkshire police and certain sections of the media. That was proven in a court of law and an inquest. So get your facts straight.
my facts I saw with my own eyes at 2-55pm. Organised rush at turn styles dont care what was reported how can those fans not think they contributed laughable
@@paulburgin9442 See above..
Hillsborough could have happened anytime to any team, it's just horrible fate it happened to Liverpool.They were always qualifying for the big matches where this tragedy was waiting to happen
Thank you
Only it happened again at Heysel...who was there? Oh yeah, LFC
Happened twice. To Liverpool.
The ground was clearly not fit for purpose to hold a game of that magnitude at the time end of story really?
The layout of, the entrances and exits, and the pens and fences of the terrace where indeed a contributing factor. However it was the shear ineptitude and criminal negligence of South Yorkshire Police that was by far the biggest factor in causing the tragedy.
Just read through all these posts and comments and I reckon there's a few people on here peddling the lies whilst it's still in court.
We SEE through YOU !
JFT 96 .
I love cloughie even as an LFC fan. I've just seen 30 secs of this and in truth want to switch off.
I'll prob not watch again and hope he just made a grave error of judgement.
Deep down Brian was an incredible man ....... please tell me I won't be disappointed too much
LeeEvans147 he’s a horrible drunken gobshite lad, no doubt he was a decent manager, but as a person he was a vile human being with his drunken mumbling
Paul Murphy unlike King Kenny who supports racist scum by getting your team to wear t shirts in his honour what pr I cks you lot are no wonder everyone despises you
Nathalie Gibson talking about being despised, a bit like the Nottingham miners who went crawling back to work during the miners strike in 1984 SCABS
Nathalie Gibson what the fuck are you going on about?? What has Chelsea got to do with Brian drunken gobshite Clough and Shithouse Nottingham scabs???
Paul Murphy what coal mining got to do with football? Ask your carer to wash your mouth out by the way.
how was he allowed at the game that day if as he always was, was pissed?
Pist he was there but he reacted his statement for four for two mag
Brian Clough football genius. Horrible person.
Cry, he was spot on
@@jackr5407 How was he spot on dude? You tell me and everyone else? You probably have a dislike of Liverpudlians in general. Just have a bit of respect man.
@@pjsmith2744 Ok he maybe not be totally right but he isn’t totally wrong either. And he wasn’t a horrible person
@@jackr5407 He blames the liverpool supporters purely on his dislike for Liverpool. I shouldn't of said he was a horrible person because I didn't know the man.
Not that much of a footballing genius. Inherited a good team at Leeds United that had been put together and coached by a proper manager, and then ruined it.
im just seeing this and frankly im appalled at some of the comments about cloughie. fact: the police lied, fact the police made some incredible mistakes. fact all of those that tragically died were innocent and anything i say after this does not detract from that. fact at 14.30 hillsborough park still had hundreds if not thousands of liverpool fans still there, many drinking i was one of the last forest fans in the ground at about 14.45. Fact police were shit at crowd control in them days it was quite common to rush the turnstiles or gates. i agree with cloughies view i dont think he would change it today, i havent, irrespective of what has been said in the court, though i do believe there should be justice for the 96 because they were innocent. i do know that if i was one of those liverpool fans that rushed in from the back, just after liverpool had a shot on goal and the crowd roared, i would still be carrying my share of the guilt
He did change his opinion though. And the reason fans were rushing in from the back was due to police not doing there fucking jobs. The police staring it in the face couldnt see what was happening why would a uy at the back trying to get in? It was the pens and the police. Justice taylor omitted fans within the first year. But the government tried to smear and blame other people. Chnaging hundreds of police statements for gods sake. Yet STILL YOU know better.
Do you think HIllsborough was the ONLY time people have gone to a match and had a few drinks and not had tickets??
nothing to do with hundreds or a thousand Liverpool fans travelling to the game with sole intent of charging turn styles to get in - once again deluded
and yes I was there at 2-55 and Yes I did witness it with my own eyes. As above post said late arrivals and police failings have blood on their hands
Fans were completely absolved from any blame by 2 separate investigations but Paul fucking Burgin off youtube knows better. If only theyd had you in there telling the truth because im sure Fans arrived late wasnt a thing they went over and cleared was it? From countless eye witness'.Take your agenda somewhere else you fucking dickhead. I was also there. There was no more or no less people turning up late than ANY other game. Certainly no more than the year before which,ironically, was policed properly and NO ONE died. Late arrivals to a bottleneck that was not looked at before the game by the Chief of police on that day was easily avoided if police did their jobs like they do daily all over the world at sporting events, If the same negligence was show by Authority at huge events like the Semi final then there would be many more disasters. There arent because they are policed and stewarded properly or at least competently and to cover it up afterwards and take blood from barely teenage boys to try and force a 'Drunk fan' story is is fucking disgusting but keep trying to fit everthing in into your tribal narrative. Fans have been cleared of any wrong doing.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-35473732 Try number 1
Oh dear Brian the biggest own goal anyone could score the authorities were to blame the police the fa simple RIP the 96 from a Boro lad
I read on here people blaming Liverpool fans for Hillsborough and Heysel.
Well, LFCs only crime, over both tragedies, was for a tiny minority to respond in the wrong manner.
The opening of Leppings Lane’s gates, Was without doubt, the cause of the tragedy.
If the police commander in charge that day, had his two daughters in that section, he would never have made such an irresponsible/culpable decision.
The tiny minority that pushed against those just walking, may have unwittingly played some part in it, but they did not cause it! The pushing was fully observed by police officers prior to the gates being opened. Responsible policing would have prevented the tragedy 100%.
Therefore, North Yorkshire constabulary are culpable, period!
As for Heysel, Liverpool FC have a dedicated memorial to the tragedy.
Again, poor policing and ground neglect was the cause, with both sets of fans unwittingly adding to the tragedy.
Juventus and Liverpool fans began the terrible events by taunting and throwing flares and other objects at each other, but to have two large, opposing sets of fans so close, without any sufficient stewarding/policing to keep them apart was culpable of the event organisers and policing.
This was a time when almost every club around the world was suffering crowd hooliganism, including Forest, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea...Juventus had a particularly nasty (minority) element of far-right facist thugs within their fans.
I like to think that Liverpool fans have learned not to react to other people’s failings, and truly understand, that even throwing bottles at players coaches, or mishandling/throwing flares, can, under certain circumstances, turn to tragedy!
Let’s also be grateful, of many other situations that could have turned into tragedies, far too many to list, but just one recent one below.
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2329178/Prison-for-United-fans-who-fought-in-Rome.html
Erm, why north Yorkshire constabulary? Do you know where Sheffield is located exactly?
So by Liverpool having a memorial changes everything that happened at Heysel?. Pure scum. They killed 97 of their own and 39 at Heysel. Horrible horrible fans.
Felt really sorry for his son nigel after cloughs naive comments when eventually signing for Liverpool
The coppers were utterly negligent towards the fans at Hillsborough yes, but the one indisputable fact is that those 96 Liverpool fans were crushed too death by other Liverpool fans. Cloughie simply said it as he saw it. He was there after all, he had a right to his opinion. And Liverpool fans don’t like being reminded of the Heysel stadium disaster.
Storm Hawk what does he know about what happened outside from the touch lines??
What lies!! There were no fans without tickets!! Trying to push into the ground. There was a dangerous crush outside..because their were only 7 turnstiles. CCTV proves that the number of fans who entered the ground was actually slightly less than the number of tickets sold! Proof there was no horse of ticketless fans. That was a lie from the police!! The blame lies squarely with them! There were no police cordons organising the cues outside the ground...Duckenfield opened Gate C to stop the crush outside the game. Which was a shambles and totally disorganised and mismanaged by the police! Nobody directed people towards the outside pens. ( which were nearly empty)So all the fans went towards the obvious place which was the central tunnel. They had no choice.. and they had no idea what they were walking into..The fans are not to blame!! And when it was obvious that there was a problem. Duckenfield froze when he should have been evacuating the pens by opening the front gates! It was fatally delayed because it was locked! People’s lives could have been saved if the emergency services had been co-ordinated correctly!! Only 3 ambulances even made it onto the pitch! They were all told to wait outside the ground by incompetent police. Half the police were told to stand in the middle of the pitch to stop fans running onto the pitch! It was ridiculous!! Very few people who died even made it to hospital! They were just left to die at the ground! Horrendous! Police were told not to write anything in their pocket books... and statements were doctored! The cover up after this disaster was appalling! And it took 27 years to get justice for the 96 families! Shame on Clough! He’s an arrogant swine!! How dare he blame the fans!!
Hazel Walsh Cloughie knew nothing of the full facts, he just called it how he saw it.
@@vashna3799 well said. Liverpool fans killed their own but want to blame everyone else but themselves.
Great manager, great personality but was so wrong on this occasion.
How? He was asked his own opinion and he gave it
@@Dan-wu6up Because it was a totally inaccurate one which has been proven by the second inquest, that's how.
@@Dan-wu6up His opinion was wrong. the stadium was poorly designed and the police, with those managing the situations made a huge mistake. He's wrong, opinion are not facts.
He is right
@@billharrison6410 No, he isn't.
Still shouldn’t have said it!
He obviously didn’t have any facts on the matter anyway so why say anything at all!?!
He wrote about this in his book blaming Liverpool fans.
Jst one of many occasions in which he should’ve kept his big mouth firmly shut but his ego wouldn’t allow that!!!
Sadly he was drunk at the semi final game! Sir Kenny Dalglish was so angry at this interview he wanted to include the fact he was stinking of whisky before kick-off in his own biography but was talked out of it by his ghost writer as would just add fuel to the fire of this odious interview
Clough told the truth.
@@JamesRichards-mj9kw not in this case as he was proven wrong in the courts.
Clough, never won a thing without Taylor.
Clough was embarrassing on TV and was only put on to get bigger viewing figures.
For such an expert on crowd behaviour it's odd that he didn't know what would happen if 2000 tickets for the forest end at wembley were sold to man utd fans 😂
@@steve-kl9iv The so-called "inquiry" was a whitewash that ignored vital evidence.
The Liverpool fans caused all of the deaths.
@@JamesRichards-mj9kwI bet you're either as sober as Clough or got a connection to the SYP with the amount of drivel you're spreading here. Completely mental
@@JamesRichards-mj9kw The inqiry dealt with the disgraceful cover-up by the police, and rightly so.
The crush was caused by Liverpool fans trying to force their way into the ground.
Any fan who was at that game attempting to get in without a ticket needs to have a think about whether they were part of the problem.
Proven to be wrong by the court of law. Keep spouting bullshit behind anonymity you little cretin.
No they don’t as this is proven nonsense
@@aaronadams9625 The "inquest" was a joke.
He went back on this later in his life. Obviously he’s bang wrong here.
It’s his opinion but how would he off felt had Barbara or some of his kids had gone to that game in that end? He wouldn’t of been saying it their fault he’d be broken hearted so nah.
They'd have been in the Forest end where nothing happened.
Shame he is unable to see the various documentaries on You Tube revealing the facts about why our fans were put in that situation so he can take back his words "Well they did" well they fucking did not.