Best MPPT Solar Charge Controllers Review up to 40A - EPever Vs Outback Vs Renogy Vs Victron

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  • Опубліковано 13 бер 2020
  • Review of the most popular MPPT solar charge controllers up to 40A, plus real-world performance test - EPever Tracer, Renogy Rover (Bluetooth), Victron Smartsolar and Outback (Tracer BN). www.cleanenergyreviews.info/b...
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  • @TxRiverElf
    @TxRiverElf 4 роки тому +7

    This is the BEST straightforward and comprehensive video on mppt controller comparison!!

  • @terryhuybens2500
    @terryhuybens2500 3 роки тому +8

    Nice works Jase & Marty. We can always trust you guys for an accurate, non bias, researched review.

  • @jimmybonifacio6734
    @jimmybonifacio6734 4 роки тому +8

    THanks for the great no frills comparison.

  • @kevinbreaux6769
    @kevinbreaux6769 2 роки тому +5

    I have found the Outback Power/ Epever tracerbn to be my favorite controller thus far. Great presentation. Thank you.

  • @pjwlk
    @pjwlk 4 роки тому +6

    I recently ran into a situation where the SOC shown on my Trimetric 2020 became inaccurate due to repeated deficit charging which we were not aware of. Lessons learned: 1) Don't rely solely on the calculated SOC. 2) Regularly check the Specific Gravity of the battery bank and correct the readings for temperature.

  • @davidpotter9462
    @davidpotter9462 3 роки тому +6

    Those massive input terminals sold me. Thats my idea of how to do something right...well Ive been looking for which one to buy...Ive got 390 watts now but getting another 300 watts of panels so Ill give it a good testing...thanks for the great video...

  • @passion-camping-car
    @passion-camping-car 3 роки тому +1

    a big thank you for your video. 👍👍👍👍
    finally a comparison video on a real test bench and a good final comparison.

  • @chronobot2001
    @chronobot2001 2 роки тому +7

    Excellent review.
    It is obvious you put a lot of effort into making a very clear and thoughtful presentation.
    100%
    Thank you for doing this.

  • @dennisclark8766
    @dennisclark8766 4 роки тому +8

    I have watched so many videos and I must say this is the best I've seen. Good camera work, good focus and you sir are a good teacher. Thanks for sharing with us.

  • @wa8khp-468
    @wa8khp-468 4 роки тому +7

    EXCELLENT review, testing setup and charts for showing all of the results. I have the Victron 150/35 that U tested and the Victron BMV-712. Both of these items are going into my DIY Solar Generator. Hope to have a video on this project up in the next 6 months. It will use external Battle Born 100A 12v batteries. This project is being designed for my Amateur radio. Looking forward to more of UR great videos.

  • @cleanenergyreviews
    @cleanenergyreviews  4 роки тому +4

    Learn more about how MPPT solar charge controllers work here - www.cleanenergyreviews.info/blog/mppt-solar-charge-controllers
    * Use these timestamps links to skip to the relevant sections:
    @7:56 - Start real-world performance testing
    @11:45 - Test results
    @13:11 - Overall comparison and rankings
    @13:58 - Measuring battery SOC using a DC shunt - Victron BMV programming and Peukerts constant explained

  • @darrenmoore5620
    @darrenmoore5620 3 роки тому +3

    Thanks for all that information it was great I have already bought a VictronConnect 100/50 for my boat and it turns out I made the right choice thank you very much

  • @vasaoz
    @vasaoz 4 роки тому +5

    you are an excellent bloke, I wish you a great time and hope to see many of your videos in near future. Thanks for your work, its a beautiful and well displayed/ analysed review.

  • @leoclarkin5944
    @leoclarkin5944 4 роки тому +3

    Very helpful, especially comparing price point and product quality , thx

  • @Kosmonooit
    @Kosmonooit 3 роки тому +8

    The Victron is a top quality product - also that VE Bus means it can talk to a Venus ... and now we are talking!

  • @piconano
    @piconano Рік тому +3

    Superb comparison videos.
    You made my decision easy. Went with a Victron 100/20 for my bike camper trailer.
    Only $25 more compared to Rover+ optional BT module, but the app and small size is worth it.
    Thanks.

  • @travisb.8005
    @travisb.8005 3 роки тому +1

    After I put you on pause to make sure I didn't have a low battery chirp on a CO/Fire Alarm all was good. It took a second to confirm it was you.

  • @OverlandTheAmericas
    @OverlandTheAmericas 4 роки тому +5

    Excellent! Very helpful thank you. 👍🏼

  • @SCOTE991
    @SCOTE991 3 роки тому +6

    Good concise review, maybe should have started the test with the battery at a lower SOC than 86% to see how the victron stabilised, likely it calculated the watts incorrectly because it hit the max voltage quickly. I have an Epever AN, was debating between BN and that. Did not think BN was worth the extra cash money. Very happy with AN. I had a Votronic controller before and it had flaws, like draining battery in low light level 1.5A, in the end it failed completely so I don't recommend those.

  • @stevesidare2493
    @stevesidare2493 2 роки тому +2

    Looks like you went through some trouble to present this video. Thank you and well done! This data was helpful!

  • @stephensang2588
    @stephensang2588 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you for making this video. This is exactly what I was looking for as I was thinking of buying one of these units.

  • @John-gm8ty
    @John-gm8ty 4 роки тому +4

    the BN series also has a wireless and bluetooth adaptor options for data collection direct to pc, tablet and mac.

  • @MyKRAIT
    @MyKRAIT Рік тому +1

    Hi,
    Thank you for this video-test. It was very usefull for me when I was wondering to choose between epever and victron. :)

  • @wesleyofficer1237
    @wesleyofficer1237 3 роки тому +5

    I am AMAZED that Outback Power rebranded a Chinese MPPT unit.
    *That said, I install Outback/Midnite/Schneider equipment, but I use EPEVER equipment myself.
    I just works, and the price is good.

    • @gospower-energy
      @gospower-energy 3 роки тому +1

      Thank you for your comments, Wesley

    • @koborkutya7338
      @koborkutya7338 Рік тому

      I like it because it brings the lower price while still providing the local support that is often missing for other Chinese brands.

  • @ZenInnovations
    @ZenInnovations 4 роки тому +3

    Hey Jason! That was some good info!

  • @jefftucker9225
    @jefftucker9225 3 роки тому +4

    I'm very new to solar, I bought the smaller 10 amp tracer to go with a 50w panel, mainly due to price and reviews, once I feel more comfortable about solar and learn the in's and out's I will probably upgrade to a victron with more panels, but for a starter learning I think the Tracer is the way to go before investing to much money

  • @BenMitro
    @BenMitro 4 роки тому +11

    That was a good but imperfect review. One comment, you need to draw current roughly equal to how much your are putting out to compare the controllers fairly. As it stands, it could be the SOC of the batteries that determined the performance of the controllers, not the controllers themselves. Regardless, thank you - its not practical to get all four controllers and do this comparison ourselves.

    • @AurumFaber
      @AurumFaber 3 роки тому

      True, batteries are my limited now.
      I have 400 watts of panels, but the most power input I have seen was 200w. And that was only after I got a new battery installed.
      I have the 40amp renogy.

  • @lvstreeter
    @lvstreeter 4 роки тому +7

    Thanks for the info good video I ended up buying the Epever 30a I'm a beginner at solar and this one seems the most practical and I've seen it in other videos

    • @william38022
      @william38022 3 роки тому +1

      LV Streeter How do you like it???I believe that’s a tracer???I’m still using an old 40 amp 4210 mppt tracer probably five or six years old now or more ??? I had it in a box in the cupboard,,,I bought two of them years ago from Renorgy solar,,,I used one until it went out and then I decided to try a Renorgy commander 60 amp didn’t last very long,,,and when my Renorgy commander 60 amp went out after only about a year(and Renorgy solar would not make it right they said it was barely out of warranty but it was out of warranty and they would not do anything I even offered to pay half the cost on another new one or send it in and have it fixed at my expense and they were not interested in the least they did not.) so I used my old tracer 4210,,, it was a few years old by then however it was still new it had been in the box in the cupboard and I pressed it into service and it still works good however I know I’m going to have to replace it sooner or later and they stopped making that particular model,,,soooo,,,I have looked at the EP ever tracers and wonder if there as good as my old 4210????

    • @CosmicSeeker69
      @CosmicSeeker69 3 роки тому +1

      @@william38022 no

    • @gospower-energy
      @gospower-energy 3 роки тому +1

      @@william38022 Thanks for your comments, we would like to recommend XTRA 40 amps for you.

  • @cjoth
    @cjoth 3 роки тому +6

    As a solar charge controller newbie, this helped a bunch! Thanks, going with Victron for quality and accuracy, along with the very advanced app and minimalism (don't need load control or a display so I don't see it as a con for me).

    • @bobby1970
      @bobby1970 3 роки тому +1

      MorningStar is also a good controller.

    • @nigelshindler6334
      @nigelshindler6334 2 роки тому +1

      There's no excuse for lack of at least a minimal display on a controller of this cost, you can't always rely on apps/bluetooth etc and it's not always convenient to get out your mobile and fire up a special app anyway.

    • @veysher3756
      @veysher3756 2 роки тому +2

      @@nigelshindler6334 Honestly Victron setups generally encompass a display unit elsewhere anyhow, makes no sense to have a display on every part of a system.

    • @nigelshindler6334
      @nigelshindler6334 2 роки тому

      @@veysher3756 indeed, and that is part of their master plan, why just sell one stand alone item when you can sell a whole set of things! But most canal boats, for example, don't have space for four different boxes to do one job so we like to have at least a minimal display on a solar controller. If there is Bluetooth as well that's a bonus.

    • @veysher3756
      @veysher3756 2 роки тому +1

      @@nigelshindler6334 Although that's fair, the amount of information the Victron setups provide in my opinion is worth all the parts an extra work involved.

  • @NclsVer
    @NclsVer 4 роки тому +4

    Victron all the way. Have two thin film panels on the roof of my Land Cruiser with a Victron charge controller , lithium battery and inverter (Victron as well). The MPPT is uuuuultra fast. I observe the output while driving and see how quickly it adjusts going below bridges or in shaded areas of trees etc.
    Tested in Mozambique with 45 deg C outside and in Lesotho at 2500 m or in winter at -3, also had one day water coming in the box, everything was wet: still working like a charm!

    • @timmyinthewell1
      @timmyinthewell1 2 роки тому

      I was thinking of getting the 150/35 Victron , but do you know what they meant in this video where it showed the list of "cons" and listed "no load control" please? I don't know what that means ?

    • @petertomas3665
      @petertomas3665 2 роки тому +1

      @@timmyinthewell1 Hi Kevin. The no load control is completly faulse. As a matter of fact the controller has the most sophisticated and advanced control on load port as well as to the rest of parameters too. I link you a video i found to see how the load controls are on even the smaller controler 75/15. They all use the same software. I believe the producer of this video here said by mistake it has no control on load port or maybe i didint understand well because english isnt my first language. Anyhow i link you this video in case it might help you.
      ua-cam.com/video/DA2Y0QtUlRw/v-deo.html

  • @nlo114
    @nlo114 3 роки тому +11

    I run the EpEver 4210A (40A) controller into a 24V battery, with 1140W of mono panels in parallel. This has worked well for the last 3 years, and provides 50% of my domestic power, using an EpEver STI 1000-230-24 pure sine low frequency conversion 230VAC inverter.
    It took a lot of reading specs to arrive at this choice before committing to buy.
    I like this review, it is neat and well set-out, but does not take into account the specifications of the individual units running at their intended power levels: There seems to be a fixation with maximum voltage, rather than conversion efficiency. The statement of maximum panel-voltage is like your car's speedo or tacho - it shows what it can instantaneously do, not what you should stick to all day long.
    From the performance graphs in the manual of the 'tracer', it can be seen that maximum efficiency happens when the panel/battery voltage differential is lowest, as long as it fits within the spec.
    My panel's MPP is at 36.6V, which is 8V above the battery voltage; the efficiency of the system tests at between 96.5% with high input voltage, and 98% at the lower input voltage. Higher efficiency = lower losses = less heat = better reliability.
    1.5% of 1000W is 15W, enough to raise the temperature of the system significantly in a hot environment.
    The only reason for high I/P volts is if there is a long run from panels to MPPT unit. My system can run at 70% continuously, with allowance for cloud-edge peaks and temperature drops.
    For the purpose of the exercise, I'd like to see this review done again, after study of the manufacturer's data is taken into the equation.

    • @calvinhobbs89
      @calvinhobbs89 2 роки тому +2

      Lmao u just told him to redo his review correctly lmao , thanks for your professional insight , an pointing out what actually needs to be discussed an how important it really is

  • @photog1529
    @photog1529 11 місяців тому

    Lots of good information. Since I have limited space in my vehicle's battery compartment, I decided to go with the Victron unit due to its small footprint as well as its performance.

  • @rossawood5075
    @rossawood5075 Рік тому +5

    I've been using Outback FM 60 and FM 80's for many years now on several differing systems, they are excellent controllers and give the user vast control over many parameters.
    Interestingly Outback have a fixed price repair or refurbishment service if one does inadvertently disconnect battery bank from system with 65 amps coming in from the solar side.
    They even paid the return freight from the West Coast USA to East Coast Australia, Far Northern NSW.
    Very good quality and very reliable units IMO, and worth the higher price, buy well buy once!

    • @jacobgreen6939
      @jacobgreen6939 Рік тому

      i heard they suck since made in India. plus I heard customer service sux. that's why I'm on the fence.

    • @MichaelAngeloTech
      @MichaelAngeloTech 11 місяців тому

      @@jacobgreen6939Victron is also made in India.

  • @maryalobo1287
    @maryalobo1287 4 роки тому +7

    I use renology with no complaints

    • @AurumFaber
      @AurumFaber 3 роки тому

      Other than the almost non-existent "equalizer" mode. I have only seen it twice in two years.

  • @ElectricCarAustralia
    @ElectricCarAustralia 3 роки тому +2

    Love my Outback Solar 80 amp flexmax MPPT 😃

  • @AH-wn6dw
    @AH-wn6dw 2 роки тому

    Awesome test. Very clear & informative

  • @VirtualPapercuts
    @VirtualPapercuts 3 роки тому +10

    Good video. Also, the Renogy has 12 months data logging built in. The Victron SmartSolar only has 30 days; and you need a separate logger (eLog01) if you have the EPEver Tracer AN/BN or Triron. Makes a difference if you want to see how much power you are producing over the year.

    • @wesleyofficer1237
      @wesleyofficer1237 3 роки тому +2

      I have a Tracer AN (30a) and it logs more than a years (average production) data internally, and it can be viewed through the MT-50 display.
      But it's just the average as far as I know.

    • @VirtualPapercuts
      @VirtualPapercuts 3 роки тому

      @@wesleyofficer1237 Thanks, handy to know about the functionality in the MT-50 display. I never purchased one for my Triron. I've since moved to an all Victron system but I'll keep the MT-50 in mind if I even need to switch back.

    • @mnambio66
      @mnambio66 Рік тому +2

      @@wesleyofficer1237 my victron 100/50 has a data stored since day one 7 months ago, happy to see the lifetime total of over 200kWh so far and also all the monitoring history and trends

  • @johnq8792
    @johnq8792 3 роки тому

    Excellent set-up and testing

  • @raystone4673
    @raystone4673 4 роки тому +4

    The lower indicated Renogy voltage reading is concerning, especially with only current to power it flowing. Because all your wiring is not visible, putting the voltmeter up on the regulators terminal screws instead of on the battery, would be undeniable proof of a problem. That eliminates any installation suspicions, since you did mention it was hard to get wires in and holes were small.

  • @getubelogin
    @getubelogin 3 роки тому +3

    Its true to say the Victron unit doesn't have a display, but thats not surprising as its designed to be used in conjunction with bluetooth and a mobile phone!

  • @_DEX_-
    @_DEX_- 3 роки тому

    Very helpful! Thanks!

  • @headsandtailsheadsandtails4313
    @headsandtailsheadsandtails4313 3 роки тому +3

    Going to buy a Renogy in a couple of weeks based on different reviews they seem a good unit,hoping that one was just slightly calibrated wrong,and anyhows been using solar for a good 15yrs now so not worried about that slight difference, and will be running 400watts at 100v for winter so won't affect me..buying Renogy on price and the fact one reviewer opened unit up and inside was quality build..all best

    • @VirtualPapercuts
      @VirtualPapercuts 3 роки тому

      Good choice. The Renogy has 12 months data logging built in. The Victron SmartSolar only has 30 days; and you'd need an entirely separate logger (eLog01) if you want any history for the EPEver Tracer AN/BN or Triron. Makes a difference if you want to see how much power you are producing over the year.

    • @bover86
      @bover86 3 роки тому

      Did you buy the renogy? If so, what's the quality and performance like?

  • @richardsandwell2285
    @richardsandwell2285 2 роки тому +27

    One really BIG TURN OFF for me is when they are starting to link these units via APPs to smartphones. I am happy with my two old Tracer units which merely display information and can be programmed manually.

    • @koborkutya7338
      @koborkutya7338 Рік тому +3

      agreed, I don't like that in Victron at all.

    • @Marley-ii6ls
      @Marley-ii6ls Рік тому +3

      Yes
      Keep it simple

    • @johnthompson3643
      @johnthompson3643 Рік тому +2

      Lol, more control and data visibility is a turn off for you?!? 😅

    • @FTVG_inc
      @FTVG_inc Рік тому +3

      Complete opposite for me, I need to monitor my solar from work a couple times per day to make sure everything is running smoothly.

    • @mojavegold-
      @mojavegold- 11 місяців тому

      I had very good success with the Renogy Tracer MPPT units as well - but switched over to the 40A Rover units when I upgraded my battery bank, as the Tracers aren't compatible with LiFePo4 batteries. As mentioned in the video, I also noticed an offset from the Rover display to actual measured battery voltage.

  • @alanjohnston6722
    @alanjohnston6722 4 роки тому +7

    Epever now has bluetooth and wifi modules available.
    There is also a lithium charging software available.

    • @legendfpv
      @legendfpv 3 роки тому

      China vs NL what more do you need to know

    • @MTechOver9000
      @MTechOver9000 Рік тому

      @@legendfpvlol, Victron is made in India

  • @timburge7087
    @timburge7087 4 роки тому +5

    A few points to note with the Rover MPPT controller:
    1. With all loads going out of the devices load terminals the SOC feature could theoretically be somewhat accurate for this MPPT if it calculated the data it has access to, as it could be calculating all incoming and all outgoing power, the output load terminals are rated 20 amps he states, so if you were wanting a decent size inverter or other load/s you could not have it on those terminals.
    2. when the Rover had a reading of 12.5volts (0.2 volts below the others) it would have been correct to measure the voltage to the MPPT at the terminals of the device itself to rule out voltage drop in the cable and or cable terminations, not measure at the battery.
    Another helpful test would be to calculate the MPPTs running power consumptions.
    I personally recommend the Victron battery monitors, especially when you have invested a lot in your battery bank.
    My background: I live off-grid, I design and install small solar systems, and I am a Registered Electrician.
    Thank you for taking the time to make this video.

    • @cleanenergyreviews
      @cleanenergyreviews  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks for your comment. Yes, we did double check all connections and measure the voltage at the controller terminals as well. The measurement was always 0.2V below the others (there is another commenter here who also said they found the same problem with a Rover MPPT, so it isn't an isolated incident). All controllers had the roughly the same length of cable and no loads were present.

  • @ralph9987
    @ralph9987 4 роки тому +5

    Great . Can you please now do a review of all charge controllers that are suitable for marine use

  • @IlBuono1990
    @IlBuono1990 3 роки тому +2

    Another advantage of the victron is his size compared to the others, in my installation i could not have fitted a bigger mppt

  • @HDXFH
    @HDXFH 3 роки тому

    I use renogy 60 amp and 100 amp units, great units, both support lifePo4 too

  • @berns1853
    @berns1853 4 роки тому

    Nice video. Better cover your panels when u connect/disconnect. I have 3 different tracers including the new tirion. They all make a light high pitch sound when there is no charge. Annoying when there is 1 in the garden house

  • @easydiy224
    @easydiy224 2 роки тому +1

    New subbie. That Renogy Rover Li 40 gives out inaccurate voltage readings for LiFePO4 batteries. I'm using it without a shunt and it's a hassel trying to figure out the SOC. I really need a shunt. Great video 👍

  • @mmtruckingllc657
    @mmtruckingllc657 4 роки тому +1

    Very good information!

  • @GroovyVideo2
    @GroovyVideo2 4 роки тому +6

    Ive been using a Victron for 4 yrs - works Great - Very adjustable and app is awesome - wire clamps kind of small tho

    • @MrJohnyfalco
      @MrJohnyfalco 4 роки тому +1

      GroovyVideo2 I agree about the wire clamps. Too small

  • @ejdd3442
    @ejdd3442 10 місяців тому

    Great Video, I purchased this controller (60 AMP Rover essentially ) for my boat and am OK with it. I use it to keep 400 AH lithium batteries charged, monitor with the BT2. My energy consumers use relatively low amperage except for the 12 volt fridge and that is somewhat low. My only issue is the Load terminals, they do not output voltage they are in the off mode all the time. It seems like the design is to output voltage when the panels are not powered (night), this makes no sense to me, unless you are simply using it for a timer after the panels stop producing. I thought the purpose of load is to use surplus energy when the batteries are topped off, that would be a great idea since the solar panels would not have any use for the solar energy after the batteries are at 100%+.

  • @stuartdavies8388
    @stuartdavies8388 4 роки тому +8

    Epever Tracer AN is by far the best of this bunch, especially when used in conjunction with the PC Monitoring Software. Cost, features and build quality are great and the reason I use 3 of them myself..

    • @cleanenergyreviews
      @cleanenergyreviews  4 роки тому +1

      They are very good value for money I must agree. Great for small systems but the 40A model used here is not suitable for larger systems with Voc over 100V, or if you want to use a modern 48V battery system.

    • @stuartdavies8388
      @stuartdavies8388 4 роки тому +8

      @@cleanenergyreviews I have a 48v, 100A Tracer 10420AN 200V PV Charge Controller that has been working flawlessly for the past 3 years in my home.I also have a 12v 30A in my RV and a 24v 40A in my cabin, both working flawlessly for almost 5 years. They are excellent controllers considering their cost.

    • @gospower-energy
      @gospower-energy 3 роки тому +5

      @@stuartdavies8388 Thanks for supporting EPever, yes, You are right, we have Tracer AN 50-100amps,12/24/36/48VDC, 150V and 200V for a big system, also support parallel up to 6 units

  • @Wallabynge
    @Wallabynge 2 роки тому +4

    I wish there was an ideal one. The Victron 100/50 gets bouncy under 6A, also confused by clouds under 36W, confused by clouds fooling it into float. The Outback, EPEver is very robust, but often gets confused by high temperature panels, and ends up doing MPPT just above battery voltage. It's infuriating to lose half your power. But its slowwwwness means it's not confused by cloudy weather.

    • @cleanenergyreviews
      @cleanenergyreviews  2 роки тому +2

      Just so you know, when the panel temperature increase the Vmp drops, this is normal. If you only have panels connected in parallel then on a very hot day the panel voltage (Vmp) might drop close or even below to the battery absorption voltage. If this happens often then it might be worth rearranging the panels into series then parallel (depending on the Max Voc of the MPPT)

  • @clivestamp1891
    @clivestamp1891 4 роки тому +3

    Guarantees and actual costs would have helped also global availability thanks

  • @andrewradford3953
    @andrewradford3953 4 роки тому +6

    Ran over my Victron with a 7.5 ton excavator. Warped but still works!

    • @samnr2723
      @samnr2723 4 роки тому +1

      Amazing😂

    • @gabrielmartinez3171
      @gabrielmartinez3171 4 роки тому

      I snugged up my wire on those cheap tiny inputs and broke my victron. Went with a rich solar renogy clone much better input terminals.

    • @bobbywright8431
      @bobbywright8431 3 роки тому

      Wow!

    • @Schmitz3
      @Schmitz3 3 роки тому

      @@gabrielmartinez3171 So you downgraded

    • @gabrielmartinez3171
      @gabrielmartinez3171 3 роки тому

      @@Schmitz3 less expensive for sure but its been working great plus I technically getting more amps 30 amp vs 40 amp amp I did oversize my PV system a little on the victron the rich solar handles it great. The rich solar also using the bluetooth BT-1 adapter connects quickly let's me check pv production daily, weekly, monthly let's me set all battery perameters. Will it last as long as the victron I dont know in my case the victron didn't last even getting connected. If your happy with your victron good for you.

  • @NerdThingsAndMore
    @NerdThingsAndMore 9 місяців тому

    Thnaks for the video

  • @jamiemitchell9804
    @jamiemitchell9804 4 роки тому +4

    The maximum solar input for all these controllers is also a very good feature as some of these are designed current limiting features which mean you can use more solar than what they are rated at great feature for cloudy weather or when there is shade

    • @cleanenergyreviews
      @cleanenergyreviews  2 роки тому +1

      Yes, oversizing the solar is very common these days. Generally, 20% oversize is considered safe However, only a few models, such as those Victron, allow oversizing without affecting the warranty. Other models which don't specifically approve oversizing solar may be damaged, so be careful and check the spec sheets.

    • @fc436
      @fc436 2 роки тому +2

      @@cleanenergyreviews epever says that with their controller you can oversize PV until to 1.5x the rated power of controller. This is in alla epever manual. In old tracer-A models until 2x the rated power!

  • @CATips
    @CATips 4 роки тому +1

    Great demonstrate...

  • @SHAINON117
    @SHAINON117 11 місяців тому

    Excellent video bro thankyou ❤

  • @juanantoniocarrascodelgado3491
    @juanantoniocarrascodelgado3491 3 роки тому +2

    Epever and victron my favorite.

  • @richardbennington6289
    @richardbennington6289 2 роки тому +4

    The biggest gain using MPPT, IMHO, is when it is cold out, or you have panels with good shaded performance(on panel bypass diodes) and/or you have a high Vmp on your panels. I have observed that magical 25% to 30% improvement over PWM. Your single static setting does not cover those use cases.

  • @Spoonfed78
    @Spoonfed78 4 роки тому +2

    Interesting comparison. It would be great to see partially shaded performance. In my experience this is where some fall flat on their face, especially with a high voltage panel setup.

    • @cleanenergyreviews
      @cleanenergyreviews  4 роки тому +4

      Yes, we planned to do a partially shaded comparison but unfortunately ran out of time and the weather turned. This is where MPPT tracking speed and accuracy will make a big difference. (I'd expect Victron to perform the best out of this group under partially shaded conditions)

    • @niccatipay
      @niccatipay 3 роки тому +1

      Rule of thumb:
      More series = More voltage
      Do not use series if you expect shading.

    • @colosistvan
      @colosistvan Рік тому +1

      So 12V panels are less less sensitive to shading caused MPPT fluctuation vs 48V or higher?

    • @Spoonfed78
      @Spoonfed78 Рік тому

      My comment related to a single high voltage panel LG panel and direct comparison Victron to Enerdrive where the Victron was far superior with partial shading to the Enerdrive, which tell me it's more about the MPPT's ability not high vs low voltage panels etc. Maybe Enerdrive is better on 12v panels but given Victron does exceptionally well on a high voltage, simply means they did more R&D and built a superior product in that regard.

  • @danmco2366
    @danmco2366 3 роки тому

    Thanks for nice review,

  • @kristopher2651
    @kristopher2651 Рік тому +1

    Good info however, for clarification, the Renogy Rover does not always come with the Bluetooth dongle. You got the kit. The dongle must otherwise be purchased separately.

  • @drdiesel1
    @drdiesel1 4 роки тому +12

    I have two Victrons and an Epever. No question the Victron is of much higher quality, tons of options and a 5 year warranty.

    • @serious-rc933
      @serious-rc933 4 роки тому +7

      And cost tons more money

    • @Ropetangler
      @Ropetangler 3 роки тому

      @Citizen Smith and Serious-RC Yes the Victron costs more but over its lifetime it could well be cheaper, and in the meantime you have more capability and more reliability and in Australia at least they have a great attitude to keeping the customer happy.

    • @fratermus5502
      @fratermus5502 3 роки тому

      I like the option where they screwed up auto-absorption duration feature for over a year, under-absorbing lead batts due to intermittent shade confusing the algorithm, couldn't resolve the issue with patches, and caused sulfation / battery damage. See their own forum for discussions and evidence. I hope they have it under control with new firmware. If not, take manual control of Absorption duration.

  • @jeanie52
    @jeanie52 3 роки тому +6

    When testing mppt controlers they should also test them for radio interference. My Epever 10a wipes out radio reception with in 100 feet of it.

    • @DupczacyBawol
      @DupczacyBawol 3 роки тому +1

      Use a shield. A shield may be of aluminium foil or ask a fellow specialist ;)

    • @schwellenzaehler4587
      @schwellenzaehler4587 3 роки тому +1

      @@DupczacyBawol, it should come shielded by the builder, but electrical rules cares in China not.
      You cover a solar charger with aluminium foil ??? Thats a idiotic a solution........ 😱
      Then the charger will die very quick, at overtemperature, thats for shure.

  • @mteca5093
    @mteca5093 4 роки тому +3

    Nice vid

  • @goodgoyou1
    @goodgoyou1 2 роки тому

    Thanks

  • @danydany7852
    @danydany7852 2 роки тому

    thank you

  • @5885ronny
    @5885ronny 3 роки тому

    Gute Infos weiter so 😊👍

  • @ReviewsandTech
    @ReviewsandTech 2 роки тому +1

    Amazing video and comparison truly, now does the Victron support LifePo4 as well? Thank you so much as you have put so much into this video, Excellent.

    • @cleanenergyreviews
      @cleanenergyreviews  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks. Yes, Victron supports LifePo4 battery systems and has multiple charging options suited to different LFP batteries.

    • @ReviewsandTech
      @ReviewsandTech 2 роки тому

      @@cleanenergyreviews Excellent, thank you so much as I am building my own 12v 100AH off grid power station, I am probably going to get the Victron as I have heard a lot of good things about it for a while, cheers buddy.

  • @TheFlyingPlectrum
    @TheFlyingPlectrum 3 роки тому +4

    Shame the batteries were charged before the victron could show it's capabilities. In the yachting world there are lots of discussions about charge controllers and often it comes down to the battery being full! Ive heard people calling their panels or controller faulty because they aren't seeing the full label values.

  • @ExilesGate
    @ExilesGate 2 роки тому

    Thanks✨🙏

  • @Chris-by8eh
    @Chris-by8eh 4 роки тому +2

    I would love to see a review of fixed vs flexible solar panels.

  • @wesleyblake8552
    @wesleyblake8552 Рік тому

    Great explanation I have a victron 100/50 and 2 x350w solar panels, but only 1 on my caravan roof so far, the max watts it has gone to is only 190watts which I thought it would have been more, so I am going to put the second panel up. My question to you is over 5 meters what size cable I need to join and run the cable to the controller from the panels, as the controller might not fit the diameter of the cable that is needed for the 500watts all though it handles 500 watts? thanks Wes

  • @DO5MZ
    @DO5MZ 3 роки тому +1

    EPEVER has a slow MPPT in the morning ist the battery current under 1.5A runs in PWM mode and need maximum 1h to jump in MPPT mode, is the battery current again under 1.5A runs in PWM again. My setup was a Tracer 3210 and a 235W from Mage Solar loging with Arduino to Thinverse

  • @TerrydeAlaska
    @TerrydeAlaska 4 роки тому +2

    It would be interesting if you showed the difference between a PWM and NPPT charge controller in your set up sometime....thanks

  • @gamedev1271
    @gamedev1271 3 роки тому

    you should compare them, mmpt vs some pwm in different conditions

  • @toolate6971
    @toolate6971 Рік тому

    Good test setup. Were those solar panels in the background used for the test?

  • @sol.green.energy9515
    @sol.green.energy9515 4 роки тому +4

    Great review. Where do you get those switches you have on the solar panels coming in?

    • @cleanenergyreviews
      @cleanenergyreviews  4 роки тому

      They are 2 pole DC circuit breakers (20A rating). These are quite easy to source in Australia from a number of suppliers. Noark are the best known manufacturer. www.noark-electric.eu/en/products/Installation_devices/DC_Miniature_Circuit_Breakers_Ex9BD

    • @jamiemitchell9804
      @jamiemitchell9804 4 роки тому

      We have single pole DC rated circuit breakers in ax DC voltage 250 don't use the ones 500cdc max not suitable for low voltage system
      www.jgmdirect.com

  • @69indigoblue
    @69indigoblue 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for this great video comparison. In the end, they are all very similar in terms of perfomance. Would go with victron due to its massive positive reviews on the net.

    • @cleanenergyreviews
      @cleanenergyreviews  3 роки тому +2

      Yes, personally I would consider Victron to be the best quality out of the 4 options. It also has a 5-year warranty and by far the best app-based setup and monitoring platform.

  • @william38022
    @william38022 3 роки тому +1

    I have looked at some Victron energy charge controllers they are quite expensive however I have heard good reviews

    • @dyslectische
      @dyslectische 3 роки тому +1

      victron have more mppt trackers the cheap one is 180 euro model victron mppt 100/30 (you have the smartsolar and the bluesolar one model have Bluetooth

    • @william38022
      @william38022 3 роки тому +1

      sebastiaan suijkerbuijk what Victron energy MPPT charge controller should I choose for about 700 to 800 Watts of solar panels?

    • @dyslectische
      @dyslectische 3 роки тому +1

      @@william38022 for 800 watt solar panel it's about 66amp on 12 volt and 33amp on 24 volt or 17amp on 48volt battery packs .
      So really only on model will do it
      www.victronenergy.nl/solar-charge-controllers/smartsolar mppt ve.can
      It's a Dutch company victron lol.

    • @william38022
      @william38022 3 роки тому +1

      sebastiaan suijkerbuijk thanks

  • @mr.c4u274
    @mr.c4u274 4 роки тому

    I am putting together a solar well pump system to feed a pond. I have a 305 watt, 9.28 A, short-circuit current 9.85 A good(Max overcurrent reading 20 amp), 32.9 V rated current, 40 volt open circuit mono panel and plan on getting a 280W 24V/48V Solar Powered Deep Well Submersible Pump 60M Lift Water Pump with a
    12V/24V/48V MPPT Controller,
    I don't intend to use batteries but run directly off this panel during daylight hours. Question being should I get the 24 V or 48 V pump and will these 3 components all work together?

  • @johanna.browne
    @johanna.browne 3 місяці тому

    Question, being 5 days into portable solar, we have 2 x 100ah deep cycle batteries (not lithium.), connected in parallel. Using the victron smart shunt, battery 1 minus to tje bat minus on the shunt and all system loads connected after it on the system minus
    Positive from bat 1 to pos bat 2 and system loads connected via bat 2 pos.
    Also the smart shut pos connected to bat 2
    In the Victron app, I set the bat capacity to 200ah
    Do I need to configure the aux to the value of mid point or leave it as none?
    I'm assuming using this setting is for when 2 batteries are connected in series maybe?
    Victron isn't clear on this in their instructions
    When I set it to mid, I got a high-voltage alarm.
    Do I need to connect the aux pos to the pos of outgoing positive load on bat 2, or bat 1 pos, or not use the aux monitoring at all?

  • @mlg779
    @mlg779 3 роки тому

    This is useful info.

  • @davidb.5544
    @davidb.5544 3 роки тому

    Should be noted that if you want to install most/all in the USA in a residence including the Victron it is not NEC compliant and requires you to add a Ground Fault Protection Device which adds to the cost and complexity.

    • @cleanenergyreviews
      @cleanenergyreviews  3 роки тому

      Good point. We are about to release a new video comparing the leading professional 60A+ charge controllers which will take GFP into account

  • @kbuff15
    @kbuff15 2 роки тому

    ..VS Midnite (KID) would of been nice also, regardless great video!

  • @maggiesjourney3877
    @maggiesjourney3877 3 роки тому

    Good presentation. I have the Rover with Bluetooth. I don't know that I trust it.

  • @suataydemir9144
    @suataydemir9144 Рік тому

    Hello, there is a 20amp mppt charge control. Is it efficient to connect 4 50 watt panels in parallel or in series with 44 volts in 2 groups, the system is 12 volts?

  • @bradsmall4125
    @bradsmall4125 Рік тому +1

    One things for certain, you will find plenty of people all over the internet who’ve changed from any number of these units to a Victron after the failures they have had, you will be hard pressed finding it go the other way. I switched to Victron after my “great value” Epever started smoking up in the camper after about 12 months of use.
    I think you will find most people that eventually land on Victron do so after bad experiences with the cheaper ones.

  • @thomasbranson8796
    @thomasbranson8796 2 роки тому +1

    I use Xantrex charger with built in load controller. Has built in dump load I have never had one bit of trouble since I went to this company and model. I run ten large cat batteries which are solar batteries, an amazing set up. I started buying 12 volt panels in 2005. I have had nothing but trouble out of my charge controllers I was using. Over time I increased and transfered my system to a 24 volt system. I run my entire home, barn, and garage and my entire system has cost me under six grand.

  • @moestrei
    @moestrei 3 роки тому

    Are they all with a fan? I prefer fanless. Got 3 cheapos with fans even running in cloudy weather and one failing already. Same for inverters. Fan only in overload but not for regular operation.

  • @dshack4689
    @dshack4689 Рік тому

    LOL - I thought one of my smoke alarms was 'chirping' a low battery - and then I realised that audio was coming from this video! =)
    10:20 and 10:55

  • @checkingoutgypsymike2075
    @checkingoutgypsymike2075 3 роки тому

    Why didn't you use the epever in your 150/60 review? I'm looking into mppt cc and i see a lot of support for the epever for those on a budget, is the epever just not a good enoug controller in the bigger size.... I can afford the victron, but i like the tracer because of it's wire connections. Can't find it in a 60a though lol. So when it comes down to the victron wire connections being just as poor as the epever, im wondering if the price being doubled for the victron is worth it? Also on amazon the promote buying a victron battery protector? Is that not part of epevers unit but built into victron? I'll research and see if i can find my answers but thought id ask and see if you know. Watched both videos, really great easy to understand content. Much appreciated, God bless!!

  • @gatecrasher1970
    @gatecrasher1970 Місяць тому

    Such an expert but failed to notice the victron does have load out connectors

  • @stevemcgowan3017
    @stevemcgowan3017 3 роки тому

    hi.i have 290 watts solar on my camper van roof.i use 100watt fixed panel connected to epever mppt 10amp to mt50.then 30watt x3 panels to renogy rover 20amp mppt connected bluetooth and just bought epever mppt tracer 10amp will connect to another mt50..I have been using the renogy bluetooth app to read battery voltages .its not far off on readings.you said your renogy was reading low.?steve

  • @sergiocavazos8963
    @sergiocavazos8963 3 роки тому

    nice video, tks

  • @Sabumnim666
    @Sabumnim666 8 місяців тому

    I understand that current is certainly an important factor but it is only the result of the voltage and the load.