When plagiarism re helping side goes wrong!

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  • @DM-kv9kj
    @DM-kv9kj Рік тому +25

    Umm...everyone already agrees that the spin imparted onto object balls isn't a thing. Literally every coaching video talking about it says that. What DOES happen, which is what is almost always talked about is the "throw" of the object ball. A lot of side spin pushes the object ball very slightly in the direction the spin is going...which is what "helping side" actually refers to. Helping side does not mean the object ball starts spinning, it means the cueball slightly nudges the object ball further to the side. This is used to make very acute angled pots a little bit easier without having to compensate for the usual throw from a plainball shot - ie, acute angles get pushed slightly off-line by the cueball and so this needs compensation either by aiming slightly thinner or by using HELPING SIDE.

    • @magpie7154
      @magpie7154 Рік тому +2

      Absolutely spot on. It does not impart transferred spin, but it does throw the object ball. Experiments around the black spot convinced me of this.

    • @IrishBog
      @IrishBog Рік тому +1

      This is confusing stuff to be fair. I get the impression that when I hit the ball at an angle slowly that the object ball drifts off the intended line in the same direction the cue ball went - so I have to aim thinner since it drifts … do you know what I mean … it won’t happen if you whack it. I’ve seen the videos where two balls in a plant won’t go in if you hit the first ball slowly at an angle. But will if you whack it

    • @XandEnglish
      @XandEnglish Рік тому

      ​​​​@@IrishBogI know what you mean mate. Basically outside spin will kind of " flick " it on course. But you still have to hit the object ball in the right place of course , accounting for the deflection. Without any spin at a certain angle the cue ball basically slides across the object ball , thus narrowing your cut angle. All of this is affected but other factors like speed etc.. Best thing to do is just practice
      and play around with it

    • @phil2768
      @phil2768 Рік тому

      Not sure why my last comment was removed with links to videos showing how spin transfers to the object ball, like "How to curve an object ball" but they clearly show spin does transfer to the object ball. Here is another one that shows it happening: ua-cam.com/video/y3uTJ7EOETA/v-deo.html

    • @MrXeberdee
      @MrXeberdee 9 місяців тому

      NO - not everybody agrees about that. The way I see it, spin is imparted and it throws the object ball - you see this the most on an angled slow stun shot. If you aim ghost ball without any helping side, you will miss thick, and the object ball will be spinning. That's throw that made it miss and the object ball to spin slightly sideways - you don't see the throw if you counter it. That is done with outside spin or helping side (left on a right cut) and taking deflection into account when aiming with side. The contact at the object ball is at the perfect ghost ball point only this time with a spinning cue ball. Left spin on the cueball imparts right spin onto the object ball and throws it right (thinner) into the pocket - this also cancels out the spin on the object ball that you would otherwise see from throw when aiming ghost ball without any helping side. That's why it looks like the object ball is not spinning when Michael hits it right with helping side and cancels out the spin and throw. In each case, spin is imparted onto the object ball.

  • @micverno
    @micverno 6 місяців тому +1

    Myth-buster of snooker 😀😀😀

    • @MichaelHoltSnookerCoaching
      @MichaelHoltSnookerCoaching  5 місяців тому

      I’m trying to empty people’s minds of all the nonsense so they can just enjoy the game.
      👍

  • @shuchami
    @shuchami Рік тому +1

    I love your videos. You are not just repeating explanations that you heard from other people. You are actually exploring and talking about stuff you are experimenting with.

  • @craighart9278
    @craighart9278 Місяць тому

    In fairness Barry Stark talks about 'helping side'. He posted a video 5 years ago for example, titled 'Angled Pots - Why use side?'
    In the description he writes ..
    "In any cue sport potting a ball at an angle many good players will choose to pot the ball using side, ‘helping side’, as it is called."

  • @notold5087
    @notold5087 Рік тому +1

    How will side help the object ball to pot along the cushion and in the scenario of playing double, will side help object ball to widen or narrow the path after contact with cushion?

  • @irnickkkknowles
    @irnickkkknowles Рік тому +6

    If you play with the dirty balls we play with, you can occasionally see the object ball spinning after contact. Slower shots though.

  • @Vlow52
    @Vlow52 Рік тому +2

    It does transfer a spin, but impact on the cutting is quite small, you have to transfer a lot of momentum which is possible only at shots close to a full ball hit, also the spin will be noticeable only at the direction of contact with a cloth, meaning side spin transfer is noticeable when object ball hits a cushion, and top/bottom spin will be noticible at straight shot as object ball will roll faster or slower. This is commonly used is a pool since balls are a bit bigger there. Try making some doubles with a lot of side, it will deflect the object ball a lot.

  • @TheBlueTechnology
    @TheBlueTechnology Рік тому +1

    Hi
    Can you please make a video on body weight, I forgot my natural balance weight after disk surgery which I had 5 years ago, now I have been trying to fix this issue but I have big time alignment problem. Couldn’t find a single video on youtube regarding snooker weight balance in details
    Can you please make one video if you have time
    Thank you heaps

    • @MichaelHoltSnookerCoaching
      @MichaelHoltSnookerCoaching  Рік тому

      Where your body weight/balance has no relevance to the shot. All you need to do is find a comfortable set up you can repeat, it’s no more technical than that.

  • @psbrayshaw
    @psbrayshaw Рік тому

    Love these videos!
    Thanks Michael!
    See you soon!

  • @222alanc
    @222alanc Рік тому

    Brilliant mate nice to see someone clearing one of the misconceptions of the game up,class information by someone that knows 👍

  • @mgmg-h6w1z
    @mgmg-h6w1z Рік тому

    hi sir you are my favorite hero of snooker

  • @singhvinayak92
    @singhvinayak92 Рік тому +2

    So does it mean that if I put left(bottom running) hand side on the cue ball and play a double on the red, wouldn't the red go a bit wider? And when putting right(top running), it should be a bit narrower? Isn't it? Would love to see a video on that...

  • @alecwilliams1003
    @alecwilliams1003 Рік тому

    Awsome way of getting through to me thanks , Alec.

  • @EVil-ob8in
    @EVil-ob8in Рік тому +3

    The examples I would prefer you to show is where the object ball is slightly obscured by another ball so that it doesnt quite go. Difficult to explain but imagine a slow red into top left pocket aimed slightly thick with left hand side. Somehow this does seem to widen the angle directing it into the pocket when it would otherwise miss to side rail. There isn’t enough room to swerve the white so what’s happening there?

  • @Shapter123
    @Shapter123 Рік тому +1

    What about when commentators say ‘turn it over’ when you can’t see the potting angle, they don’t mean swerve the white, I’ve presumed side on the white will ever so slightly transfer to the object ball do that it floats in

  • @ebojfmdboojoh4023
    @ebojfmdboojoh4023 9 місяців тому

    Too good to be a coach. You should still be on the tour.

  • @ads998
    @ads998 Рік тому

    So just to clarify for my simple mind, side does not transfer spin to the object ball, but it will still throw it? So left hand side will still throw the object ball to the right, but won't transfer any spin on to it?

  • @Bob-jk3il
    @Bob-jk3il Рік тому

    I genuinely love the drum intro music. Where is it from?

    • @MichaelHoltSnookerCoaching
      @MichaelHoltSnookerCoaching  Рік тому +1

      My brother who is a musician created it. 😃

    • @greenrlb
      @greenrlb Рік тому

      @@MichaelHoltSnookerCoachingMichael, Where is the best place to buy the red dot practice cue ball you use. There are lots I have seen, but I am not sure which is the right one to buy for snooker? Thank you.

  • @insert-name1500
    @insert-name1500 Рік тому +4

    Absolutely perf mate.

  • @ismahadiismail7875
    @ismahadiismail7875 Рік тому

    Thank you Michael ...

  • @phil2768
    @phil2768 Рік тому

    How to swerve an object ball
    ua-cam.com/video/iReuQJB2Ztw/v-deo.html
    See Myth 3
    ua-cam.com/video/cdlQuEQcpRs/v-deo.html
    Another example with training balls
    ua-cam.com/video/Ui0V642rVkA/v-deo.html
    Physics suggests that spin can impart onto the object ball but maybe in snooker (due to the size of the balls and type of cloth?) it may be so negligible and insignificant as to make no difference.
    Saying that, it is not the same on a pool table (and the type of cloth makes a big difference) as this type of transfer is used all the time. It is often used for shots down the rail to get an object ball to 'hug' the cushion it is travelling down. I also make shots (again, on a pool table) which would not be possible if that transfer of spin did not occur. For example, with a thin cut shot to a middle pocket I can curl the object ball by transferring side onto it so it curls around another ball that is *very slightly (by millimetres)* impending its straight path to the pocket.

  • @brendangough5560
    @brendangough5560 Рік тому

    Don’t give away all the secrets Michael 😂

  • @fmsd91
    @fmsd91 Рік тому

    What about the reverse side on a plant?

  • @witzar
    @witzar Рік тому

    Helping side actually helps with potting balls, because with helping side you hit the object ball fuller, and with fuller hit you have bigger margin for error.

  • @TheFlyingdeuces
    @TheFlyingdeuces Рік тому

    If I put the cue ball and the 8 ball (pool)in a dead str8 line to the pocket I can cue across the cue ball making the 8 ball spin on it's axis to the table and still pot the ball so I can impart spin on an object ball intentionally.

    • @paulkerry69
      @paulkerry69 Рік тому +1

      Because its pool the cue ball is smaller then the 8 ball

  • @jasonlaverty6074
    @jasonlaverty6074 Рік тому

    Watched you on with hendry , great watch michael cheers

  • @jamieanderson7920
    @jamieanderson7920 Рік тому

    Correct me if I'm wrong (pretty confident I'm not) I'm sure you will be aware of the ghost ball potting method and that this only works on cuts up to possibly quarter ball at best then anything thinner you then have to adjust and actually hit a bit thinner than what the ghost ball potting angle would tell you due to the slide affect on thin cuts. The helping side comes in here so as allowing you to hit roughly where the ghost ball would tell you to hit giving that squeeze effect and reducing the slide, making the pot easier and helping the pot (helping side)

  • @Softlad92
    @Softlad92 Рік тому

    Damn this came at the right time… I just watched a video where someone said the red rolled off line but stayed on line with side… my head was spinnin.

    • @lamnic696
      @lamnic696 Рік тому

      The red went offline due to Cut Induced Throw. Helping side is helping the red to stay on line. Helping side is to counteract the Cut Induced Throw effect.

  • @JJmoony
    @JJmoony Рік тому

    No side can go on the object ball because it would have to put slight grip on the object to impart the spin if you get what I mean. It’s pushing not gripping

    • @Jimthehumanoid
      @Jimthehumanoid Рік тому

      There is friction which will cause the object ball to spin in the opposite direction. Not much though, mind.

  • @workrestandplaysnooker
    @workrestandplaysnooker Рік тому +2

    And there was me thinking that it WAS possible to impart a slight amount of side onto an object ball, wether meant or not.
    I guess that just means I'm missing by more than I thought 😂

    • @Jimthehumanoid
      @Jimthehumanoid Рік тому

      It is, but at the speed he plays these shots it has an insignificant effect as the forward motion is much greater.

  • @Jimthehumanoid
    @Jimthehumanoid Рік тому

    Side spin is definitely transferred to the object ball. You might not see it, especially if it's quite a thin cut and it's hit with pace, but you can't argue against the laws of physics.

  • @MrXeberdee
    @MrXeberdee 9 місяців тому

    I don't get what you are trying to say here. On those two shots you added outside spin, which counters the throw. If you made a centre-ball medium stun shot on that half ball black spot shot and aimed it thin to get it in, then the spotted cueball (black) would have been spinning. This proves that there is spin imparted by throw, ie. spin induced throw. If you counter it with the correct amount of left hand side, when the object ball is spinning clockwise, it throws (spins) the object ball anti clockwise and throws it off at the right angle to pot it with a ghost ball aim. In either case, there is spin imparted onto the object ball, the first results in a spinning black, the second counters the spin and therefore it looks like there is no spin - but you just removed it.

  • @AshleyBobLes
    @AshleyBobLes Рік тому +1

    So you are saying when one object with friction collides with another with friction with rotational force the rotational force is not at all imparted onto the object? That’s seems to defy physics.

    • @D.Appeltofft
      @D.Appeltofft Рік тому

      I think you confuse 'transfered to' with 'caused by'. A hard thin contact may cause the object ball to rotate. But, that doesn't mean the spin on the cue-ball transfers to the object ball.

    • @Jimthehumanoid
      @Jimthehumanoid Рік тому

      @@D.Appeltofft It does. That's just the laws of physics.

    • @D.Appeltofft
      @D.Appeltofft Рік тому

      @@Jimthehumanoid What law? There are many laws in physics.

    • @Jimthehumanoid
      @Jimthehumanoid Рік тому

      @@D.Appeltofft Newton's third law of motion says that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The cue ball will apply a friction force to the object ball causing it to spin the opposite direction. Conversely, the object ball will apply an equal force in the opposite direction to the cue ball causing its spin to reduce. You could argue that the effect is negligible on thin shots, but I believe it is there nevertheless. The effect becomes more pronounced when the angle of incidence is closer to 90 degrees (full ball) which is why it is useful in making doubles in pool when you don't want a double kiss on the white

  • @andreasengelhart7203
    @andreasengelhart7203 Рік тому

    Thanks a lot Michael, thumbs up!
    Can you make a video, where you are showing different angles on the blue, and if you are on the wrong side of the blue, how to get down to the pack to be on a red. (The longer way for the cue ball)
    Also I would like to se how you can get through the gap between the bulk colours.
    Sometimes the pros play stun shots, when the are on the blue...
    I would like to see the effect if you play a stun shot or just a straight hit on the cue ball.
    Greetings and all the best Andreas

  • @ceebkay
    @ceebkay Рік тому

    I read joe Davis book of snooker in the 80s,he always said you can’t transfer side from one ball to another,I get infuriated when I hear pundits saying the side helps to pot,this book is years old but he knew,pretty good player as well!🎱🎱

  • @dnbmania
    @dnbmania Рік тому +1

    Could I play devil's advocate here and argue your first shot with the long spotted white showed side on the cue ball? The spots were tumbling along a diagonal plane instead of perfectly straight to the pocket. Regardless of this I think the transferred side is negligible on napped cloths in regards to gameplay/tactics

    • @dnbmania
      @dnbmania Рік тому +1

      Second one too actually. The left most spot is fair out of view when stationary, but when the balls make contact it is slightly pulled into the camera shot. Again, negligible amounts though

    • @Jimthehumanoid
      @Jimthehumanoid Рік тому

      @@dnbmania Yes. If there was no side imparted the spot on the top right of the ball would have travelled in the direction of the ball (up), but it actually goes diagonally to the right.

  • @joe2grand
    @joe2grand Рік тому +2

    @miichaelholt I agree it doesnt actually put spin on the object ball but as I understand it when you have thinner cut shots (like around half ball and three quarter ball) you get a 'squeeze' effect on contact and it always pushes it a bit straight and thus you miss thick. Helping side tends to push the object ball in the direction you want it to go on these shots.......right >? Barry startk did a good video on what I mean ua-cam.com/video/Dfo_2qAXnaw/v-deo.html

    • @phildre1974
      @phildre1974 Рік тому +1

      This is what i use now all the time, exactly this. I find this to be working best for potting balls to centerpocket and keeping control.

  • @tonus6559
    @tonus6559 Рік тому +2

    I agree that there's no side/spin imparted onto the object ball... but am I right in saying the side 'kicks' the ball in a different direction? And it then rolls straight on that line but the side has kicked it wide? I watched this a while ago and it was interesting... Barry Stark 'Angled Pots - Why use side?' ua-cam.com/video/Dfo_2qAXnaw/v-deo.html

    • @IrishBog
      @IrishBog Рік тому

      But that happens too if you hit the object ball at an angle slowly. The momentum of the cue ball pushes the object ball off the direct line. It won’t if you whack it though

  • @liyexiang666
    @liyexiang666 8 місяців тому

    what u mean get the ball rolling? isn't it will roll even if u just hit a straight ball?

    • @MichaelHoltSnookerCoaching
      @MichaelHoltSnookerCoaching  7 місяців тому

      Not quite.
      With helping side you are avoiding the ball spinning the wrong way. 👍

    • @liyexiang666
      @liyexiang666 7 місяців тому

      @@MichaelHoltSnookerCoaching u mean prevent the object ball wabbleing? isn't that imply that the object ball will carry side spin if hitted with no side spin on the cue ball?

  • @CueBald
    @CueBald Рік тому

    Mythbusters 👌

  • @jurijpotocnik4488
    @jurijpotocnik4488 Рік тому

    I come from an american pool background where spin on the cue ball definetly imparts spin on the object ball. This has been proven a bunch of times on video. It is hard to understand how this can be different in snooker. Could it be because the mass of the balls is smaller?

  • @theknowledgewithin6514
    @theknowledgewithin6514 Рік тому

    If you slow it down more you can actually see you got spin on the object ball

  • @michaelgrayrn4579
    @michaelgrayrn4579 Рік тому

    This is hilarious. Tell the bank pool players that there's no transfer of English. The helping side is in your stoke is to ALLEVIATE friction induced throw. The transfer of English to the object ball would best be seen with no English, no helping side, and coming across the face of the OB. Especially with dirty balls, it will both pull the OB of path, it will also impact side from the Velcro effect at contact. Helping side is like skipping a rock across water.

  • @zhangken9884
    @zhangken9884 Рік тому

    Unbelievable, it does not make object ball spin !

  • @DDOSETV
    @DDOSETV Рік тому +1

    Why not just use a striped ball as the object ball (and possibly white ball)? Not disagreeing with what is said, but you can’t see if the object ball has side spin or not in this video…

  • @chowweihoong5052
    @chowweihoong5052 Рік тому +1

    please dont' say perf. you're making it sound like perv.
    hahaha.

  • @scottpurdue8946
    @scottpurdue8946 Рік тому

    Can you explain this without imparted side-spin? A pool table and slower shots, but see what you think. Maybe it works for different reasons.
    start at 8min38 to 10m18 ua-cam.com/video/11iSqkJjWgM/v-deo.html

  • @OliverSG1
    @OliverSG1 Рік тому +1

    There really needs to be a video on how side actually works, not once have I seen a video fully explain the full issue.
    A. Aiming to miss depending on side
    B. Side changing direction of object ball (players often use side to create an angle when it's not available plain ball)
    C. How the side on white can catch the cloth and it end up rolling to a side on longer shots
    D. How these 3 things interact and how to aim and use side with all these things in mind.
    WHY CANT ANYONE JUST HAVE A VIDEO EXPLAINING ALL THIS ON AIMING WITH SIDE AND HOW IT ALL WORKS FFS

    • @misotopoli
      @misotopoli Рік тому +1

      This is what I think most complex video on mechanics of playing side spin shots.
      ua-cam.com/video/EG29YjLC7aM/v-deo.html

    • @joe2grand
      @joe2grand Рік тому

      good questions....number 1 depends on how hard you hit it! softer hits will impart less 'throw' ...on both balls!

    • @robertl426
      @robertl426 Рік тому

      @@misotopoli I was about to say, there are many American Pool videos about the complexity of sidespin, Dr Dave is a great channel. It is a little different with snooker as the balls are smaller and lighter, plus the cloth is different. However, the general principles are the same.

  • @miropopovic1830
    @miropopovic1830 Рік тому

    Wrong

  • @ColinDakin
    @ColinDakin Рік тому

    I Firmly believe that,,,,NO,,,, It doesn't impart Spin..
    What seems to be Happening is it Stops the Object ball from skidding across the face of the object ball,,, Thus in Theory straightening tha collision..
    As you would when the White is amained at the side cush,,,, it has a certain amount of Slide before it Grips the cush.
    My theory anyway..??.
    Please keep them coming Michael.....
    You say it as it is..
    NOT,,,always conformity ..
    Thank you.