Destiny LOSES Patience w/ MrGirl And SNAPS During White Grievance Panel
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- DEBATE: Destiny joins the white grievance panel ft. MrGirl, Dick Masterson, Lonerbox, GSUGambit and Hunter Avallone...
Date: 2 Aug, 2022
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00:00:00 Teasers / Intro
00:00:27 "White has become an insult"
00:12:40 Poor white people don't feel white privilege
00:23:49 Is Twitter it's own system?
00:30:25 GoFundMe for shooter...
00:37:23 Affirmative action worked in the UK
00:45:25 Good argument for reparations
00:52:28 "I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE"
01:05:42 Black communities were initially set back
01:30:38 "Are you calling me a liar?"
01:50:20 MrGirl wants the dogpile on his D
02:07:40 Chauvin's punishment and pound of flesh
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If you commit 56% of crime at only 13% of the pop, dont come bitching to us about what we owe you. Think about what you owe us first; human decency. Fuck the left.
Destiny is a clown and he legit doesn’t like black people jokin on call dude the n word and he down plays black racism but he cry’s about white racism when himself is not 🤡🤡🤡
I’m a new sub, an evil right winger from England, which probably makes me a commie in the US.
I’m surprised at the comment section, it’s very leftist and “virtuous”. I thought it would be more balanced. Definitely a lot of Redditors.
@@lesserspottedmugwump.363 I mean, Destiny is a progressive -- makes sense he'd attract a mostly progressive audience.
as a rural montanan, i had not heard white pride until i watched this. white power on the other hand..... this has always kind of bugged me. skipping over that kind of feels like the point of renaming it from my perspective but it could be because of my town's old ass population.
“You didn’t hurt my feelings, you just touched a nerve” mr girl once again going out of his way to be misunderstood
@@listentothedead the most frustrating thing is, he vehemently denies that he is such a thing. So either he's just such a contrarian and doesnt know it, or he is just lying and a troll. Im honestly leaning more towards the former, considering how much he denies being the latter.
@@lockekappa500 He knows what he's doing, he's not dumb, he's just a troll and I wish more people could see it
@@listentothedead I think it’s debate club for him. Take the adversarial positions that have any kind of wiggle room from which to argue and try and make a good case. I’ll bet he sincerely believes in most of his positions, but definitely not all of them.
@@listentothedead I wouldn’t describe his words as “well thought out” he seems like he makes things up as he goes and just pivots and obfuscates in every conversation to avoid ever having to think about consequences of the awful things he says or does
Seeing this should-be grown man perform this angsty teenaged edge lord shtick is pitiful, but watching his "fans" fawn over it as some evidence of authenticity is much worse.
Mr. Girl is insufferable, but I am crying laughing at him proudly declaring "I don't have any black friends" with a sly, mischievous grin to some school administrator.
Having black friends, I can see why Max has none lmao
Hunter wins out on the insufferable scale.
I find it ironic because ALL my friends are black and nothing he said would actually be that controversial if I said it to my black friends. But I guess the issue there is that my black friends are just average black people instead of liberal black people
@@isafarooq1721 I’m a left leaning black male and don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Are you comparing liberals to the overtly overnight activists?
@@isafarooq1721 Yeah, you might want to be careful about speaking on behalf of your black friends. It could be that they're affording you more leeway than they would MrGirl. I've seen this before. And here's a fictional example: In Pulp Fiction, Jules allows Jimmy to use the n-word (hard 'r') around him. But that's because they are friends. That doesn't mean that Jules would let MrGirl get away with that. lol
Mr. Girl has an impressive talent for derailing every topic into a pointless 1 hour argument about semantics
He did make a good point about white privilege not being a privilege but just the way all people should be treated.
@@hurryandleave9680 Not being discriminated against based on racial features is sadly a privilege in a world where most people are. I think this is more prominent of a term in multi-ethnic countries, as opposed to more homogeneously populated countries.
In the US, white people amount to roughly 60% of the population; that leaves 40% of the population as a target of racial mistreatment. Therefore, being born into a class of people that largely is spared certain treatment that almost half the country could possibly attest to, is a privileged position relative to that half.
@@m0zric Treating people the way they should be treated does not confer a privilege on them. As for 40% of the population being a target of racial mistreatment, that isn't true. Latinos and Asians are not mistreated on the basis of race. Only blacks can arguably make that claim, and in many cases it is unwarranted.
@@hurryandleave9680 So belonging to the half of the country that is spared racial animosity is not a privilege?
Racial mistreatment can spire from the verbally abusive to the physically lethal. Not having to face any consequence either from the system that be or through social interactions based on your race/ethnicity is a privilege only afforded to white people in America. Latinos and asians alike could surely attest to racial hostility. The fact that you think only black people have to contend with stigma and bigotry due to race is grossly naive.
Addendum: Since the vast majority of white people will not have their quality of life impacted by their race, that is a privilege. Anything that is inherent that entails protection from harm brought onto others is by definition a privilege.
Pointless? mrgirl had everyone on the ropes. He was practically controlling the debate. Nobody debated better than him.
my favorite thing about mr.girl is how he manages to take a relatively good position and still be the most unlikable, combative, irritating, self righteous person imaginable. He's made it an art.
relatively good lmao
im cryyyying ahahhahaha. underrated comment.
Indeed 😂
@@trippasnippa119 unironically, yes. id say 75-80% of what I've heard him talk about i consider relatively agreeable. it's just how he goes about it that is dog shit.
Mr.Girl has a talent for bringing the worst optics on seemingly obvious topics.
Nobody:
Mr Girl in every panel: “I’m trying to make a meta argument”
why even bother typing "nobody"
@@godursolamehahaxd9909 Because it's a common meme format, hope I could clear that up
hes lowkey based tho
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@@andrewabrams3408 elaborate
MrGirl is the most direct manifestation of a cry bully I’ve seen in a while. He aggressively tries to pluck out any amount of victimization he can for himself and then blithely attacks everyone else.
Imagine being married to the dude.
@@lindyxyo4254id get a divorce asap
Nerve
Did hunter really just say brownie points when talking about getting social credit from minorities? That shit is too funny.
😂😂😂
chills.
im so happy im not the only one that thought that was funny lmao
The term originated with the points earned for various achievements by the youngest group of the Girl Scouts, called Brownies.
@@MarthaMacArthur the humor lies in the homophone, er double entendre
Classic mrgirl. Talks way more then everyone. A whole 6 person panel discussion becomes nothing but exploring mrgirl's thoughts. And yet still he keeps crying to the moderator to please let him talk more!
That's fairly normal if a talking point is a 1v4. You don't let one side take up 4/5th of the speaking time.
@@SirTipsi wow mrgirl fans are deluded. Maybe they should spend more time with Dr K and they might learn some real introspection.
1) He does this in 1v1 discussions.
2) He kept pretending it was 1v4 by just arbitrarily disagreeing with everyone and when they said they actually agreed with him he would just state that there was a disagreement over and over without stating what it was.
There was very little mrgirl concretely said that at least destiny would disagree with.
@@yautjacetanu What in my comment possibly made you think I'm a MrGirl fan? The only content of him I watch is in videos from Destiny, lmao.
I agree that he's a bit of a contrarian, though "arbitrarily disagreeing without stating what he disagreed on" isn't really something I noticed. Could you perhaps point out a specific conversation so I can watch that back?
@@SirTipsi It's a long debate so its hard to get specific timestamps but one example of it is around 52 minutes.
So if you listen to the openers, MrGirl says something and then Destiny says something and they are basically in complete agreement. Then you get to 52 minutes.
But there is a miscommunication around 52 minutes where Destiny says "I'm not saying YOU are". Where Destiny is attacking the reparations argument that MrGirl hates, and then MrGirl is attacking the same argument. But in that discourse here MrGirl was acting like Destiny was "against him".
He then calls himself the "singular defender" of white people. Even though destiny also agrees that reparations based on blackness alone is bad.
He does find a weird point eventually where he thinks that the argument for specific reparations is fine but how we got there isn't fine. (But its not obvious the rest of the panel don't think similarly white people who have recently not received what they were owed shouldn't have reparations. It's not obvious the US doesn't already allow some form of it. For example Kenya successfully sued the UK government for what happened during colonial times, that's not black americans so maybe its the same thing but at the very least people should discuss it and look for examples rather than assume the whole panel only want black reparations not all people reparations)
Similarly there was a big fight with hunter about whether or not twitter was a system. Where hunter essentially agreed with everything MrGirl said but their only disagreement was that MrGirl felt that Hunter de emphasised the badness of something on twitter when he bought up systemic racism which hunter immediately walked back on and apologised for but MrGirl kept talking about it.
There was this other bit where everyone said a stance and MrGirl said the phrase "I disagree with everything everyone has said" but then didn't seem to adequetly outline what it was everyone said, and specifically what he disagreed with. He just then said a sentence that actually everyone on the panel seemed ok with.
I think (but can't remember exactly) is that his big thing that means he "Disagrees with everything everoyne said" was where he thinks "White privilege" is a bad phrase because it suggests white people get something exceptional rather than something that is normal. But NO ONE in the panel actually thought that being able to get a job you deserve shouldn't be the normal. No one on the panel specifically argued that the phrase "white privalege" is definitely the best, they were using a phrase created by culture that probably isn't the best and more accurate word to describe the thing and they agreed with the concept behind it.
So I don't think he actually disagreed with everyone on the panel. What he meant to say was "You are responding positively to the question and I listen to the question and have negative emotions and this specific new thought I'd like to bring to the panel".
So much of what MrGirl does is respond to his perception of the emotion of a sentence, NOT the content and respond only with his emotion and very little actual content. You can see it a lot in his chat with Erudite.
It's not perfect, I tried to find better examples of what I meant but its hard to search for a specific phrase in a 2.5 hour thing and I can't do Ctrl+F on the transcript.
@@yautjacetanu thanks, that's a lot more than I even expected you to mention. I do agree the part with Hunter is ridiculous. I think Hunter did a good thing there apologizing and not accepting that is a shitty thing to do. I honestly don't even think MrGirl truly cared there, he's just trolling or trying to act out a persona.
The same for that remark with "only person speaking for white people". I think he's clearly just trolling and making a stupid comment that I think he shouldn't have. However I think the point where Destiny said "I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE" was an actual misunderstanding and not him purposely trying to disagree. He did have a couple of good points on reparations imo, but I can def see what you mean.
Occasionally he has a decent point but then it's just masked by the subtle trolling or purposeful disagreeing. I don't think 100% of what he does is disagree without actually standing by what he's saying. But some of it probably is.
Yeah the convo between him and Erudite was really bad.
I love how he starts the panel off by saying that this panel can have a rational conversation. And then is the FIRST one to start slinging fucks at people
hhahahah yeah but he cools off later. he flies off the handle a little but i have to say this was actually the only worthwhile panel i can remember listening to all year.
Well, this is mrgirl we are talking about
Guys, I am becoming *genuinely* confused as to why Mr. Girl is still being given the time of day in this community; believe me, it's not because I "don't get him". It's because, in a group scenario like this where everyone is contributing in good faith to the topic at hand, his only tactic is to upstage himself and derail the discussion with some unsubstantiated contrarian point of view - and when pressed on it, he either spins his wheels or just runs out of gas completely. Next thing you know, half the stream has been wasted.
True, although i do believe that some debates gets more interesting because he is not afraid to take the sidestance not so popular view. However, this approach only works in some debate areas.
god you must have loved the ending of that arc
@@donet0death240 we all did tbh
Fascinating stuff. Much like watching a train derail and crash into an orphanage, I was somewhat horrified but couldn't look away. 10/10 content.
What a horrific image
@@azraeldemuirgos9518 yeah but it's fitting considering this is mrgirl we're talking about
>somewhat
@@azraeldemuirgos9518 I can't get off to porn anymore so now I watch Destiny
@@wiredvibe1678 I so did not need to know that
Can we appreciate Gambit for a second. He is based af. I want to see him on more panels.
Yes
Nah he's a hypocrite. If Chauvin was black he wouldn't give a fuck out George Floyd.
Yup also he kept his shit together when Mr Girl was poking constantly, when lesser men, myself included, would have lost it
No
He is the most patient A man I’ve known
A conversation about white grievance and no Lauren Southern?! Lameeee
I think mrgirl was hoping to show that if you have grievances about being white you don't have to be pushed toward the right wing.
I need my Nazi Queeeen
@@Patrichor777 Sexually speaking
*Laaaame
@@romanski5811 damn you got me
So this is a conversation about white grievances and it’s instantly compared to disparities in the races of people in prison? Why do the brains of these people immediately go there? It’s like if a girl goes into a police station to report a rape and they say “You were raped? Well don’t you know we’re looking for a serial killer who tortured and killed 32 woman? Maybe you should count your blessings.”
The inability to discuss one problem without instantly talking about a completely different “problem” is the sign of a feeble mind.
Good point
that can happen, but not in this case, they started by mentioning how in some instances, white people face challenges unique to their race, everyone agreed, and at some point the idea of prisons was brought up, not as a way to dodje the original point, because everyone agreed
MrGirl refuses to acknowledge that gross negligence when you are dealing with other peoples lives is not like "oops I spilled some water on the counter." Just saying it is technically an accident does not mean that the incredibly dangerous negligence should be virtually ignored.
Mr Girl really out here saying “I don’t think you should be punished for being stupid”. Consequences are clearly chasing him right now
52:56 Gambit’s reaction is gold
There are people like Mr.Girl in this world that I just can't put my finger in. It's hard to tell if he's intelligent, but just trolling or trolling and ignorant, or intelligent but specifically ignorant and trolling. His views are close to sense at times and then at other times you can see the wheels turning in his mind and then a 2x4 being thrown into a gear that he just can't break loose. He's weird.
100% ego defense. The 2x4 being thrown in is the moment he realizes that he might be wrong or made a mistake but in order to save face, protect the ego and publicly not admit he lost/made a mistake/failed he engages in in that annoying ass behavior we all know to well.
Give him whatever Bill Cosby used and you will be able to stick several fingers in
I think the thing for Max is that he's very intelligent, in some ways, and very dumb, in other ways. And the ego doesn't help anything.
I dislike how Hunter is trying to minimize the racism on twitter by saying it’s not “systemic.” I think it’s foolish to ignore the harm of people openly breeding hateful ideas on a public forum. I am generally against silencing/banning people online, but it’s kind of ridiculous that one side is allowed to promote their hate while another side is not.
If we could get rid of all forms of hate towards everyone then life would be better, but sadly things aren’t that simple. As humans we’re our own worst enemy.
I dont understand how separationism or segregationism is hateful when its the most peaceful solution.
Well, it's true though. Hunter's argument is something that most people probably understand. Using racial epithets and throwing insults at people on twitter is definitely a form of racism, but it takes a backseat to larger issues the second you take a step outside of the 'twitter' sphere. Racism is bad across the board, but some forms of it are worse than others.
@@brandonscanoe4242 Which form is it that white people enact against black people actively, in the current year, that is worse and "systemic"?
@@brandonscanoe4242
Doesn't the language encourage actual violence? I mean, just look at the interracial violent crime statistics. It's something like 10 to 1 against whites
Mr. Girl is basically the real life embodiment of Livia Soprano.
nobody :
Mr Girl: "well I guess I should just keep my mouth shut. Like a MUTE."
🤣
To be fair a lot of antiwhite sentiment on twitter is not by far left whites but also far left nonwhites. so saying its "white thing" is not really true.
Nah there's plenty of white leftists I know who attack peoples whiteness. It's almost become that white leftists automatically think they're invited to the cookout bc they're democrats
It absolutely is not a "white thing", even if it was mostly done by white people, which it isn't, it still didn't COME from white people.
It’s definitely not just whites but it’s interesting how many far left whites there are. Also, some are just jokes while others are serious.
Twitter hates on all folks
@@HomoErectus311 These are the same people that go after jokes and comedians, so I don't think that's an excuse for their racism. That defense has sailed.
This was a good panel. I recently took a class in understanding race in university and these were the kind’ve conversations I wanted to have but I also want to be employable in the next 5 years so I just kept my head down and didn’t contribute much.
Its funny, we actually did have the question regarding white pride and the instructor, who was a black woman, seemed to really want to inspire good faith debate. But when she brought up the question you could noticeably see the class go dead and all the white students started side-eyeing each other. She tried to play Devil’s advocate and argue the opposing view point but the class just wasn’t having it. It was such a surreal experience lol.
Black prof: "You guys aren't racist!"
White students: "But we ARE!"
Thats awesome she was encouraging debate
Bro you missed your one opportunity to talk about how fucked the double standards are and how gross and racist these required race focused classes are on their messaging about white people. When I took one of these classes in uni I was ultra combative with the material and my self described "queer Marxist" professor.
Knowing my audience I would just demonstrate how illiberal each idea really is and draw from my personal experience as a white kid growing up as a minority within the Los Angeles area being bullied by the Hispanic majority explicitly for race reasons. University is the one place you shouldn't be afraid, now that I have been in the corpo world I have to parrot the anti-white talking points at our DE&I meetings to show that I am a good anti-racist (anit-white) person.
there is one question you should always ask, _“why are there more languages than one?”_
Brainwashing is a hell of a drug
These students are pathetic.
I do think Mr. Girl is a contrarian by default
No shit
waiting for his islam arch
Two people with opposing opinions are by definition and default contrarian.
@@lingzhao5719 Thats his point. He never agrees so by default contrarian.
@@Arianschko I beg to differ
I feel like Mr. Girl has stances that are sometimes fueled by whatever past trauma or social learning he did when he was younger, and not by what maps onto reality today. Throughout this debate, he seems to formulate a new argument/depiction every time one of his gets shot down and he realizes that the panel is correct when they say he is fighting a boogyman. The boogyman is in reality the visage of whatever emotional trauma he experienced when he was younger. I just get this feeling every time I watch him, and to me it just fits his argumentation structure. For example he will stop a panelist in the middle of their response to him, and he'll say "I don't think I am getting this across how I want to." He uses this phrase a lot. In my opinion, I think he unintentionally uses it to mask his realization of issues with his argument half way through a panelist's response.
I think you give him too much credit he's just antagonistic imo.
@@mtjskzm people want to give this huge get out jail free card to Mr Girl for being neurodivergent like that excuses anything and everything.
@@mtjskzmTHANK YOU!,I couldn't tell if he was trolling I never can but was really REALLY hoping he was. cos well I mean just listen to what he saying. So I've been scrolling the comments for a epoch now just praying somebody would confirm he's trolling and I finally found you! you have restore my hope in humanity! God bless you sir, God bless you T_T)/
You should either be Racist, or you shouldn't. It shouldn't be 'This Racism is okay, that Racism is not okay', because left unchecked all Racism grows bolder.
yet all the institutions are fundamentally in one group's hands and historically the racism has been to their benefit nobody is in no position as well as nobody wishing to commit anti racism against white people because they're still dealing with the racism that's already here. the biggest threat according to the FBI is white supremacy/nationalism
@@hbsupreme1499 "as well as nobody wishing to commit anti racism against white people". Are you saying there doesn't exist people that wish to be, and are, Racist to Whites? I'm having a hard time following your sentence here.
It's more like "This Racism isn't okay, but THAT Racism is worse."
@@brandonscanoe4242 All Racism is Racism. It all stems from the same idea of the person it's inflicted on being less than human.
@@brandonscanoe4242 I mean, it's not like that. It is very much like 'being racist to Whites is okay... even not possible, due to Power Imbalance... but all that other racism is pretty bad."
We've literally redefined Racism to allow groups to be Racist but not accountable for it. It can't be much clearer that this is the literal path to 'it is okay and acceptable'.
Brilliant talk. Kudos!! I truly think this should be seen in most schools. Maybe cut some of MrGirls stuff because it gets a little tedious at times but over all kept me engaged the whole time.
Hating Mr. Girl is easy. After all, he does all the work for you.
Mr Girl isn’t smart enough to engage with himself anymore. He’s gone beyond the meta
I really wish that fanatiq was a part of this panel. Pure content
Holy shit 😭
Destiny's"ooooooooooohs" make the convo so much funnier
Hunter is the kind of guy that will go to someone’s funeral who died from a hate crime and proclaim that “atleast it wasn’t systemic”
😂
Mr Girl is a master of making a kind of understandable take, and then removing all doubt that it was in fact actually just a thinly-veiled _really shitty_ take as he tries to argue in favor of it. lmao
the NLP mind games are real lol
This is so true. Even when he’s like “that’s ANTI-WHITE” when people say “lmao white people” on Twitter.. I get a bit like… okay calm down. He’s like performing it like he’s hearing something so abhorrent.
@@iworshipgaysandsatan6822 they say much worse things about whites on Twitter. Don't be disingenuous.
1:05:38 mrgirl's habit of jumping in to rearrange a point instead of waiting his turn is infuriating and works against him. I want to hear the other person's entire point, THEN I want to hear mrgirl refute it succinctly. He sucks at this.
Destiny was so pissed that he couldn't even spell "Grievance" right in the thumbnail😂
I have the bell on and notifications enabled, but this is like the fourth video in a row from this channel to not show up in my notifications
the fact Gambit carried the "WHITE GRIEVANCE PANEL" is crazy
This is the kinda dumb shit i'd expect someone with a rei pfp to say.
Don’t let this panel distract you from the fact that Destiny loves black people
he luh dem bulah peepo
Amazin
i’m new and see this comment a hand full of times so does destiny hate us and you’re being ironic, or are you being serious because I just can’t tell over text.
@@Puffball230 it’s a meme, watch the hilarious interview with Jesse Lee Peterson. In that one, JLP asked a weird question like “do you love black people?” And it became a DGG meme
I feel like any panel with Mr girl becomes completely useless because he's only there to make a show
>panels
>usefull
@@hinglemccringleberry1255 thanks, english as a second language is easy but I miss some sometimes. However I did mean useless
@@chris_tine1430 Panel singular is correct. I think he was poking fun at someone thinking panels can be useful.
My eyes roll so hard every time he details the convo w some thought Process that nobody cares about…f…
Nick F, SNEAKO & A.Tate looking at Mr. Girl and whispering: "Come join the dark side brother. You are already close..."
I got in trouble on Twitter for saying nigga as a black person....where's my special treatment
RACIST!
we don't people want to have this false persecution complex to black/racial minorities are above them
White people talking about race issues is so cringe. They always sound stupid.
Must have thought you were white
But thats twitter lol u can get banned for anything if someone reports you
Overcorrection is cringe, and the so-called “virtuous bigotry” invoked out of liberal guilt is one of the worst manifestations of [it]
Virtuous bigotry is such a good way to put it. It's really probably one of the biggest thigns stopping the left from de-radicalizing the right
Why is the ''it'' in brackets
@@theronerdithas2944 why [not]
@@theronerdithas2944 He's being cringe.
@@donaldthompson6808 well, he's right.
I just found out about Destiny after seeing clips of him vs sneako and this has become my favorite source of entertainment on the internet
Steven, your intro scared me :(
Started playing in the background randomly and it sounded like Kenny was mad at me ;(
Mr girl sounds like that one friend who always wants to be in charge but gets mad when no one wants to listen to him
For real. The type of guy who spends more time complaining about people trying to shut him up than actually getting to the point. His self aggrandizing need to sit there and repeat over and over again "if you say what I believe on you'll get banned and canceled!" over and over again. You're on a panel with a platform to talk to people, talk about what you want to talk about then holy shit.
Also I hate people who go to a debate, and get angry at people disagreeing with them over the topic, even when it's polite and respectful. Gives me Ana vibes when she was on that rape culture panel with Fanatiq
@@ArmoredSoul1 agreed on both points(haven’t seen the ana fanatiq debate). Mr girl seems to just like to hear himself talk and likes the art of language which makes I’m pompous and annoying to listen to
Mr Girl took hard stances this whole debate lmao
It's amazing to see all these people actually have reasonable and moderate positions on this issue now. A couple years ago, all of them (especially Destiny) would have been in full denial.
Liberals are habitually late to apparent realities that cant be empirically proven.
Ik. I think it’s because it’s so blatantly obvious that Twitter is filled with antiwhite hatred so it’s impossible to ignore.
Mr. girl adds so little to this debate after he laid out the initial greivance. His points are so pedantic and petty, and he's quite abusive in his style. The part about punishing Derek Chauvin just dragged into him goading and manipulation of framing to pursue nothing but the need to put Gambit on the back foot.
It got worse in the discussion of police violence where he is the only one to keep bringing up the "shooting" while the discussion is about *deaths*. It's so precise that it triggers my disingenuousness alarm so hard.
Hunter goes straight to “systemic harm” lol whoopsies
I mean it's a panel on racism and he's a Leftist. We/they tend to look at these things like Destiny mentioned this isn't a hot take or a bad understanding of the topic.
@@user-a593frta "If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.” Basically just refers to always relying on one's favorite problem solver.
@@aidanhearn4210 i still think hunter is subconsciously trying to make up for the fact that he was practically a public reaganite a couple years go. I may be wrong but none it really feels genuine, rather that he feels as though he has to echo the opposite of the views that made him so originally disliked.
@@rickyspanish3007 You can believe that but it seems kinda bad faith to me. Like the dude might just have opinions that are opposite to what he used to believe because he changed his mind without it coming from a reactionary place. What makes you think it isn't genuine?
@@aidanhearn4210 hunter rarely if ever tries to actually understand things. Whether it was when he was conservative or now as a left winger he just parrots talking points and tries to hit people with gotcha type bs. He is so arrogant even his “apologies” are dripping with debate bro-like tactics. Hunter is an arrogant, insufferable, and disingenuous person
You know I always wind up leaving these debates wondering why systemic harm is the only kind of harm that's determined to have value or be in need of consideration when determining if something is harmful. Yes, bashing hard on white people may not create systems of discrimination in our government or various systems, but is that really the only thing that matters? Does ground-level harm where you're just verbally abusing people for shit that they can't control not matter? Are we just supposed to ignore a problem until it festers and grows to a point that it becomes baked into hard parts of our culture?
It's because this imaginary (yes, I'm not a leftist despite watching Destiny) "systemic" discrimination supposedly affects minorities and not whites. Those are all justifications to hate on white people, just like rape (which is very bad) being considered worse than murder by many people is only the case because it affects women more, which are now societally seen as victims.
Because systemic racism is nebulous enough that you can throw a giant net and you can morally grandstand on a nebulous discrimination thats impossible to prove and disprove. That giant net is justified through micro cultural operations that push the overton window.
It's like a kind of soft discrimination.
Ya know?
A lot of thee school shooters were verbally abused, people tend to not care until other people get hurt. Go figure
I guess thats the real question. Because both extremes of what this can turn into are equally bad imo. Overblowing this and acting as if what white people are experiencing is just as bad as systemic racism can be a bad thing when it isnt, but also downplaying it and then an epidemic of racism against white people where there's nothing they can do about it happening is just as bad.
Thank you for pointing this out. I often feel systemic effects get all the spotlight, yet in great irony, the media and the masses swirl most when *one* racist act becomes a giant viral news story. George Floyd, hate to break it to people was technically a sample size of one (watching what's often argued as murder in broad daylight), yet rightfully so it instilled a wave a concern over the nation.
What our culture says, and how it acts are so different. We react FEROCIOUSLY to individual acts, let's either start admitting those are a problem too, or pipe down until it's not.
at this point I can't honestly entertain the idea that Mr. Girl has any conversation online in good faith. I think he just gets off on saying crazy shit and trying to get people mad at him
Is MrGirl schizophrenic? I think he saw a 7th person in this panel invisible to everyone else and kept arguing with them.
Lmao, based comment. Also, TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUE.
Mr. Girl is getting triggered by Hunter's response because even though Hunter agrees with him. The caveat of "What harm is being done to white people" or "Black people face more systemic oppression" is often times used as a justification for anti-white hatred online.
Even though Hunter doesn't intend for it to be used that way.
hunter looks like an angry lesbian
Good to see you don't call what is basically a bunch of folk with far too much time on their hands screaming at each other a debate. You've grown.
im convinced Mr.Girl is a goverment Psy-op to make any opinion sound bad, hearing him talk about encarceration rates was the only time in my life ive insctinctively been in favor of the prison system
I think that in the U.S., if you as a minority cannot have empathy or sympathy for those that feel like they too have been overlooked by a system, your opinion should become practically moot. The idea that in the case you feel the brunt of system that overlooks you, and yet wanting to pass that to others that aren't disproportionately represented, but submit to the idea that a majority ought feel the same level of individual harm is ludicrous and quite dangerous for relations and systems down the line.
To be honest, most minorities just want the system repaired so we arent fucked so hard. It's White people that added all this guilt tripping, passing blame, and attempts at harm. We just want to stop getting fucked. But we will look at you with a side eye if you block the un-fucking progress. That's when we dont give a fuck if you are harmed.
Mr Girl's novelty has overstayed it's welcome I think
Mrgirls ability to lag 20 minutes behind in a conversation is always impressive. 💀
“well black ppl get to be more racist than white ppl on Twitter and that’s a version of systemic racism because i spend a large amount of time in that system” how am i not supposed to scoff at that
y'all needed a black leftist in this group badly, a little too echo-chambery at the beginning at least
@Jayson Roberts Oh yeah I forgot GSUGambit is white....
Well it’s entirely echo chambered, given there aren’t any conservative type of people on the panel, or the “radical” bad whites that lonergay brought up.
@@malbasedvalentine3210 there doesn't have to be a conservative for there to be enough diversity of ideas to not be an echochamber cmon now. MrGirl is stating conservative ideas and the moderator seemed conservative too
@@xavwill4807 except neither of them are conservative…
you can tout their talking points, but that doesn’t mean they’ll assess why they’re being said, but instead use their biases to interpret it.
What you’re stating is the world should never allow any detractors, and we should live in one ideological bubble.
Mr Girl is misunderstanding negligence. The question of negligence is not just how reckless the action was or the persons intelligence. The question of negligence relates to the how foreseeable the outcomes of their actions were and (almost always) whether or not they had access to tools or knowledge that would have prevented or reduced the extent of the outcome.
If you act in a reckless manner and disregard the safety of another person in way that its reasonable to think they could be hurt as a result of your actions, you are morally culpable for the outcome.
Basically just because I didn't intend the outcome, I didn't care, that's a pretty big deal.
Establishing whether a duty of care exists in the first place is also an important limb of establishing negligence. Recklessness only factors in with regards to determining whether that duty of care was actually breached or not. Other important limbs are causation - how connected the negligent actions are in connection to the harm suffered, while foreseeability mostly factors into calculating damages (ie. were the losses suffered a foreseeable result of the negligent action).
@@kraatakans he's a cop, proximity and causation in this situation are kind of obvious, none of them were disagreeing with those.
He said as much in the discussion. He framed it as similar to drunk driving; it's reckless and wrong and he's morally culpable. The disagreement he's having is not on moral culpability, but on whether the punishment of jail (possibly for life) is just.
@@drewjones7389 i don't remember the part where he agreed with the drunk driving bit. I thought they just moved on from that.
I would be interested to see if he thought the same of a drunk driver with their kids in the car and the kids are killed because of the drivers reckless actions, if he disagrees with the level of moral culpability there, he's delusional.
One big problem with Hunter's argument is that it doesn't accept racist discrimination as a problem per se, only when it creates a demonstrable harm to a group (on average). In other words, Hunte hopes that racism is either so minor as to not cause a harm, or helps a group in a non-zero sum way. The tension is that some ways that racism helps are in zero-sum situations (jobs and admissions), and even minor harms (like feeling bad when exposed to a popular anti-you opinion) 'sum up' to major harms when enough people are subject to them.
Way better to be fundamentally opposed to racism and racist discrimination.
also 'systemic' racism is obviously not a 'real' thing, or at least, it's not the same thing as racism. 'systemic' racism is always thrown in to pull in all this baggage and skate out of having to make a real, tangible point.
One of the issues with 'white privilige' is that it stands on an unstated assumption that people can (and generally are) 'implicitly' racist or unconsciously racist. However, there's really no evidence that it's possible to be unconsciously racist, and even then, private beliefs only matter when manifested into actions (which can be measured and are decidedly *explicit*). All other aspects of white privilege, i.e. institutionalized or legalized racism, have been stopped. So practically, white privilege depends on unconsious bias existing, which is commonly accepted as a meme, but lacks evidence and is logically suspect too.
@@erikschafer5176 ??? There's evidence black children are more likely to be punished for "misbehavior" than white kids in the same circumstances at school. Also having darker skin is more likely to get you a longer prison sentence.
Hunter also busting out the BM 2.5x more likely to be shot by police without any regard for the denominator....
@@erikschafer5176 I’m pretty sure he acknowledged that the denominator was due to higher crime rates which in turn stemmed from the systemic racism from slaver to segregation.
moderator killed this debate
Dick masterson was surprisingly a great moderator
He is actually by far the best panel moderator I’ve seen period. He kept the conversation moving very well, prompted great questions, intervened when necessary and was funny in his own right. Other moderators need to take notes.
Feel like he moderated as a listener. Cutting off the bickering once it got annoying and got them back on focus in seconds.
Mr Girl was the only one that tweeted “I’m proud of my white heritage” which probably irritated the hell out of him. Lol
That’s an optics L!
@@HomoErectus311 optics is so silly and manipulative I’d rather everyone just be honest.
its so wierd to be proud of being birn a certain race...
@@gaymer5697 only when it's white
@@gaymer5697 in a world were pride in oneself and thier people is worshipped then don’t be surprised when everyone does it
The whole twitter argument just feels like mrgirl complaining about not being allowed to say the n-word on twitter
Well, if its in songs on the radio, why not??
Max legit opens with "we're going to prove that 6 normal people can have a normal conversation about white grievance" and the first sentence from anyone after that is "hello folks... With an 'x'".
BE NORMAL! 😂
Mr.girl "I'm not white."
Also mr.girl , "I'll post that I'm proud to be white"
What a tool
My grandmother was Indian (south Asian Indian) and I’m white. No point in throwing my grandmother in the argument, as I’m white. Lol. I will never feel guilty for being white. I feel awful about atrocities from the past, but I don’t take responsibility for them, as I wasn’t there. Is there anti white rhetoric going around? Yep. Some of it is disgusting, yet happily tolerated. I’m not proud to be white….I just was born white lol.
Mr girl superhero name should be “The Pretentious Obfuscater”
P.S.
Anyone who isn’t In Favor of reparations doesn’t love black people and has a girls name
I have one of the manliest possible names and I'm not in favor of reparations
I am not in favour of reparations and I'm a man called Jamie.
Ah shit.
At least I can spell favour correctly
If reparations are for Black people than Puerto Rican specifically Taino and Native people also deserve reparations. I will give you my address and you can start with those reparations tonight.
@@georgewashingtonrockwell3355 ok “Georgia”
@@yautjacetanu ok “mate”
Shout out to Hunter, he is defending against systematic problems than the black guy...
You've all agreed on manslaughter or some variation; everyone except Gambit stated that the death was unintentional. Derek was charged with second-degree unintentional murder, second-degree manslaughter, and third-degree murder.
So, he was charged with unintentionally killing Goearge and intentionally killing him. That second-degree manslaughter charge shouldn't be there; that's your pound of flesh.
Also, he was sentenced to 22 years; sentencing guidelines based on the crimes committed are 12 years. Then after already being in prison, he was sentenced to another 20 years for breaking George's constitutional rights. All in all, that's about 25 years tacked on due to societal vengeance.
Imagine having strong outspoken views on "systemic" injustices and inequalities when you don't even know what the term means.
No one knows what it means, it's purposely vague.
@@dukedematteo1995 Holy shit you literally beat me to the punch by one minute haha. That was exactly what I was about to say, because it’s true.
Oh did that term get redefined again? Must be a great idea if it has to be perpetually redefined in order to dodge scrutiny
Systemic Systems of Structural Institutions
Lots of people know. You don't though.
Before watching, let me guess: this is going to be more about black people than white.
Lol I'm guessing so I'm only a few minutes in but the whataboutisms will be thicker than flies on a ton of dog shit..
lol
because they are white racist Kryptonite and you knew the conversation was going to have them flip to talk about that history
Of course it is
Remember that discrimination debate when Mrgirl was self-righteously lecturing Dooby and calling him a racist?
It makes me very happy when Destiny shouts a Mr Man
Mr girl never wants to listen to anybody, dont even know why he wants to "debate"
He doesn't. He wants to pretend to debate, while he just does his little performative trolling bullshit.
Guys, in the midst of all this arguing, I think it's always important to remember that destiny is a girl's name
I'm proud of my white heritage
I (personall) hope ‘C*lonizer’ never becomes a slur. Mainly because it’s hilarious 😂
I love this set up where there's a healthy amount of debate, but also a lot of agreement and common ground so it is mainly a chill discussion with some mini debates within. Not blood sports but not a circle jerk. Just a conversation with agreement and disagreement among the members.
I'm not sure everyone on the panel got Destiny's point, in regards to justifying reparations, or if I even got his point correct actually ha. Is Destiny essentially looking at it as a debt that was not paid sort of thing ? Say Guy A was mistreated at a company, and that company (Or the state) in writing etc, states that they will give Guy A compensation, but then Guy A dies before the company pays him, would his next of kin legally be allowed to claim the compensation ? And in law, what happens if his children and wife etc die before the compensation was claimed ? can the next of kin, of the original next of kin, claim the compensation ?
If so, would this not come down to individuals in each generation having to make a claim to that compensation ? Is there not a statue of limitations here ? Wouldn't the next of kin of the original slave, of had to of made a legal claim to that compensation, and then their next of kin etc for todays descendants to be legally able to make a claim to that compensation ? Otherwise where does it end ? Can we all go and find debts that were not paid to our ancestors, no matter how many generations ago it was, and make a claim to that compensation ?
And who's to say this wouldn't apply to many, white Americans, and Native or Latino Americans etc ? Don't a lot of people who aren't black have ancestors who were black slaves ?For example I'm pretty sure, due to race mixing, there were people that passed as white, and had children with white men and women. And your going back so far, that I would have thought that a lot of non black Americans have an ancestor who was a black slave. So they would be entitled to claim that compensation too, if black Americans are.
And outside of this, considering every black person in America this applies to (Not more recent African etc migrants) who has ancestors who were slaves in America, also has ancestors who were slave masters in America, I don't see the reasoning for paying someone, because some of their ancestors enslaved some of their other ancestors.
@Mazz 38 Ha I completely agree with almost all of what you said, apart from, and just to be fair to Destiny, and I can't remember now, but was he not saying something like, this is the only argument you can make in regards to reparations, I don't know if he was actually making it as an argument himself. It's still a bad argument though I believe.
And just to note in regards to things like redlining the same principles would apply, if some old guy today was discriminated against and the loan corporation still exists, if they can prove they were discriminated against in a court, by all means sue them.
Destiny's claim is that for reparations to be valid, it wouldn't merely be that individual held slaves or that government passed laws to discriminate, its that following those injustice the government made promises to make those individual or families whole. So uts an argument based on promises made but not kept, not that there were merely injustices. Which then (qnd he admitted to this but only as a side note) that historical documents would need to be referenced and shown for reparations to really be valid. And this knowledge seems to be beyond destiny's knowledge base and is beyond my own. But I do know people like Daryl Davis have been referring to the these promises being made post abolishing of slavery. But I can't comment if these are in fact, actually historical.
@@thomaswalmsley8959 *1* " the government made promises to make those individual or families whole."
That may be different but I would have to see exactly what was stated, again though if it did say, something like that would not the same principles I outlined before apply ? Would the next of kin of the family that passed away had to of made a claim ? I wouldn't of thought that anything like, "And if those families pass away, all of their descendants into eternity are entitled to the compensation" Would have been stated. And again, this would apply to many non black people. And what about the slaves who bought their freedom, or earned their freedom in the many ways that it was possible to (this did happen by the way, and some of those slaves even went on to buy slaves themselves, thousands of them at least in fact did) Would the compensation apply to them and their descendents ?
And I will look up what Daryl Davis has to say on this matter thanks.
@@thepubquiz3198 you are correct to point out the question of what about generations that follow said promise if said promise was not realized. But thats a question of practicalities, not of the justification, which is what destiny was actually laying out. Thats all I was trying to clarify. And just to state my own position clear it would simply be there is probably a good justification for reparations on the morality grounds, however because of the practicalities, I think it's a pointless conversation cause it's a) not gonna happen and b) there's no effective way to do it.
@@thomaswalmsley8959 Oh I see, sorry. And although there is a reasonable moral argument for that, I think the moral argument, now you say it would lead into a legal argument in a way anyway, you could argue that the next of kin where not in a reasonable position to make such a claim to the compensation due to the laws and systemic racism etc at the time. Yet again this would present a whole lot of practical issues. People would need to prove that they have ancestors who were enslaved, which is not so easy, as black people did come to America after 1865. And there were black people who came to America before 1865 who were never enslaved. So just being black wouldn't make you any more entitled to the compensation than a white, native American, or a latino etc person.
Essentially if you are going to go down the route of it on moral grounds overriding the legality of it. You would either have to give compensation to anyone who could prove that they had an ancestor who was a slave, whether they are white or black etc. Or you would have to just pay the compensation to every person in the country. Which of course would not be possible, and I don't think it would be even possible to pay everyone who had an enslaved ancestor compensation either. And if you do down the moral ground you have to pay white people for indentured servitude anyway, as in Europe white children were literally kidnapped and worked to death in America. So ye actually, if you do want to go down the moral ground route and throw the legality aside, you got to pay everyone the same compensation.
Re hypothecation was the cause of slavery.
The start of the transatlantic slave trade was the sassafras trade.
Even the East India company was not allowed to venture into the heart of the African continent without explicit tribal permission
15:46 tbh this part is so funny to me, everyone agrees that a lot of anti-white racism comes from white people and mrgirl gets mad that everyone thinks white ppl hurt themselves in their confusion
MrGirl is so weasely, his "meta" argument is just: "assume that I'm right about everything, now how can I possibly be wrong about anything?" - that's not deep or profound or insightful, it's just dogshit thinking
Are you calling a jewish man weasely? I don't know champ, but i think i would be more carefull. This is literaly what Hitler would say. Have you never heared of the Holocaust?!
@@runescapeersejt who cares what race he is. aren't you giving more credence to hitler's cause when you insinuate and seperate people you weasely banana. You are the type to be first in line when the nazi's asked who would like to volunteer for the cause.
@@runescapeersejt 38:29 🗿
Wesley So
"What you're saying makes sense, and I can agree with it logically. I just don't understand why you're even saying it." This is such a hilarious approach to take in an argument. It's like telling a judge you understand the law, and agree that in respect to that law, you have committed a crime and agree with the logic of why you're being sentenced. But then asking the judge if they ever considered why it's even a law in the first place lol. It's losing one argument, and then stepping back and saying "now win this one too."
Why doesn't anyone address the extrapolation which occurs over time? If it's acceptable to disparage whites online in the present, where does that lead in 5 to 10 years? South Africa?
there is no discrimination going against whites in South Africa because they still own overwhelming amount of the land and property which they stole
you're trying to pretend like centuries of discrimination doesn't take actual policy to take away which includes giving back what was stolen
@@hbsupreme1499 I ain't pretending.
@@hbsupreme1499 I'm not giving shit to anyone.
@@hbsupreme1499 your pretending that we all weren't all trackin this stuff for many years. I'm from the south, I see it ever day. Your late to the fight.
Stop associating swastika with Nazi... Nazi symbol is called hakenkrutz. Swastika is holy and auspicious symbol in Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism. Learn.
New to Destiny really, been subbed for a few months but rarely actively watch his stuff while I'm working from home but every time I see Mr.Girl clip I click and get the popcorn out. I was almost dissapointed at the beginning thinking "Wow, he's making fairly decent point here," but after half an hour of pressing the point I can see the cracks forming into his patented loop of crybullying, can't wait to see how this devolves further 😅
These older videos are the best yeah, lots of bangers going all the way back to 2016
Why is it always assumed that white people know where they came from or heritage? I literally know nothing about either side of my family other than America.
Because not all white people are America….. (ahem Europeans exist and most of us still live in the areas we’ve been in for centuries)
@@undefinedhuman7404 Not their point.
@@FusionArmorX his point is that most white people can trace their lineage back to before slavery while african americans cant.
@@Puffball230 How do you get that from what appears to be open mockery?
Mr. Girl splits every hair possible. Living up to his name.
this arguement please have me in it.
Is Destiny against compensating the families of veterans that were exposed to agent orange? Yes, show a causal link for reparations, but it shouldn't only be for broken agreements. It absolutely is about righting wrongs.
I'm a 42 year old man & a Destiny fanboy. Not ashamed. I've heard all the talking heads over the last 10 years and Destinyis by far the most reasonable and good faith talking head Ive come across. ❤️
Agreed...and I'm also 42.
If you're 42 years old and a 'fanboy' of destiny you have serious fucking problems. Why don't you try reading instead of watching some gaming chud discuss issues he barely understands. Destiny is all rhetoric and entertainment. You take him seriously you have major issues
agreed, I’m also 18
why is hunter on this panel we couldve gotten Destiny x Nick content
Mr Girl was fucking based on this debate
I'm surprised he didn't drop the 14 words in that intro Jesus Christ
I don't know why anyone would bring Hunter on a panel. He brings nothing to the table. He parrots the exact same biased studied to every debate and if anyone mentions a study that contradicts his narrative he claims the study has been debunked. .
Because he got embarrassed by Vaush and now wants to gain back favor with him. Dude got fucked so hard he decided to switch his whole personality for the worse I would say
So true. He's one of these guys that think they are way smarter than they actually are. Very gullable and susceptible to brainwashing.
Mr girl really should stay on his lane of screaming at women and making provocative videos because this serious politics isn't working out
I wish he would start talking about 13 year olds again. That was when he was at his best
@@Nattapong69 it still serious politics you know how many people hate on cuties
17:55 Genuine LOL
" hEy iM mRgIrL iM fiNdInG LineS, tHeN tRyInG tO exPlOiT thEM "