Leftists Get Into HEATED Debate w/ Destiny On Dating Panel
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- Destiny starts a heated debate with leftist on NotSoErudite's dating panel...
Date: 13 Jun, 2022
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Wow I've never gone to a live event but this got me actually considering it
Now that I know you’re in the line up too I wish I had the money to go lmao
I found out about destiny through Tim lmao. I used to play LoL like everyday back in 2014-18
These guys are making $$$$$$$$$
“Men usually go after younger women.”
“Ehhhhh I dunno if that’s true I’m not like that. I feel you brought up some harmful stereotypes.”
I don’t know how you do it destiny.
Only for him to later admit hes in a long term relationship with a younger woman, progressives are a gift that keeps on giving.
It’s so statistically true that to deny it means that you’re not a serious person
I know men are attracted to younger women and men that are extremely high status will often be seen with women in their 20s but for the average couple, the age gap is only like 2 years on average. So what men value and what they actually get are not exactly close. I haven't seen any stats on the other way around though. Women value a man that makes more money than them but how many women are actually in a relationship with a man that makes more than them? What's the average or Median? That's something I'd like to see answered.
The sad irony of thinking reality is the social construct but their view is purely experiential.
@@patrickd5274 what statistics?
“Eastern societies tend to be more matriarchal”
What the fuck are you talking about we’re WAY more patriarchal lmao
I was about to say most Eastern societies are trad as fuck.
Leftists try not to speak on cultures they know nothing about to win an argument challenge
Reality is whatever you wish it to be if you debate dishonestly
@@marmite_popsicle Eastern Society can be anything you wish when you only watch anime and spicy anime.
We've gone so far around that the fetishization of "Eastern" societies is now the Social Justice position to take.
I get so triggered in debates where someone lays out a broad trend that is true and people try to refute it based off of their personal experiences.
Enter all left leaning gender discussions
It’s like saying “But I know a girl who is six feet tall” after hearing that men are on average taller than men.
but that's been every debate involving leftists since 2014
@Xavier E lol can’t say if that’s true or not I tend to avoid right wing discussions
@@reddragonxxx4749 its not the case. He's literally never listened to the right wing beyond some cartoonish church stereotype.
I find the guy advising to be cautious of propaganda with the Soviet Union flag behind him credible.
Bro claimed Hunter/Gatherer Society didn't have gender roles
@@blueblazer9991 but but but who did the hunting and who did the gathering
@@blueblazer9991 it’s true though
@@blueblazer9991 yeah you know you are feeling real equal when grug hits you with a rock and drags you into his cave
@@charlesmiv3842 keep up that cope shit brother
Technology fucked everything up i should be able to exchange 3 goats for my neighbors 4th daughter...
I’ve seen your neighbors daughter, low ball him.
Based and Goat pilled🐐
2 replies?
Just become a Muslim and you still can
The good old days
It's funny how theres multiple studies proving that women tend to date up, throughout time, and the others just say.. "OK well I havent read any study, or the multiple studies you have linked, or even googled any of the multiple studies published, but you are wrong"... What the fuck?
Its doesn't even require a study, we intuitively know this at an animal level. Why else do males of most species do the overt competion? I found it really funny when she said guys giving her more shots because of her master's. I seriously doubt that, every heterosexual male on the planet I strongly doubt looked at a woman and said "I wonder what she does or has accomplished?" It sucks for women to hear, but the majority of men are attracted to most women (that aren't obese or unhygienic) regardless of their accomplishments.
And it's like why would you even fault women for doing so?
Just own it. It makes sense.
@@REDDAWNproject What makes you think he doesn't own it already unlike the Beta male leftists who deny reality
" women tend to date up, through time" I don't see how someone on the left could disagree with this. Women were basically property up until the 50s when they could enter the workforce and actually start supporting themselves. Obviously women dated up through time since up until recently every man was economically above a women by default.
@@REDDAWNproject People don't wanna own something that present any sort of negativity to a certain class/race/gender etc. So even if there is a huge amount of evidence that proves their statements otherwise, they will dismiss it with whatever excuse they can like... "that was from 5 years ago" or "WELL IN MY EXPERIENCE" like... they are the problem, they wont admit to reality and try to find real and meaningful solutions to the problems of today and instead try to live in this fantasy idealistic world where women can do no wrong and anytime issues arise in men, or men in society, it's their own fault. As a society it's everyone's fault, and we need to work together to fix the problems of our society instead of pretending there are none at all.
I love the part where the one guy told Destiny his study didn’t mean shit cause he has 200,000 followers on tik tok who would disagree with it.
That guy is bargain-bin Hasan
Yeah, if you can “prove” things with one biased community then people like Fuentes would be extremely dangerous. Thank fuck that’s not how we operate.
More or less "hey I'm heavily corrupted by confirmation bias, don't trust a single fucking thing I say" lmao.
Especially hilarious with the implication being the people on tiktok, following a communist, have brain cells or value.
@@Sprite_525 😂😂😂
Kinda cringe that they cant acknowledge basic observable phenomena. They just feel the need to base their argument around their small anecdotal evidence instead of the millions of examples that exist in the world
Doubly so when stats and data back the observable phenomena. It’s genuine crazy shit
the dude’s “anecdotal evidence” felt like a sad attempt to brag as it had so little to do with destiny’s actual point 😅
billions*
Welcome to the world of anti sjw from 4 - 5 years ago.
Group of ppl that live on the internet
that guy expected a round of applause after saying ' teach your sons not to rape'
If only rape was illegal. Then rapists wouldn't rape !
Meanwhile he’s got a Soviet Union flag, how bout teach your parents not to eat you when they are starving to death
He's probably the kind of guy who thinks looking at a woman wrong constitutes one
It's pretty sus if you have to be taught rape is bad.
It’s a dumb statement. It offends the men that would never do that, and the kind of men who would do something like that don’t care about social mores anyway.
"Yeah, this peer-reviewed study that went through the process of publication is good and all, but look at my followers on TikTok" lol ok, dude
i like how this dude thinks him liking older women proves something in a debate yet he requires "sources" to prove men like younger women lmao
yea young men will date older women or hook up with them, but when to start a family that guy is going to a younger model cause she can have kids.
@@117Ender Preach. Sure at 20 dating a 30 year old woman for a couple of years might sound fun. At 35 trying to date a 45 year old if you want kids is a biological dead end.
Isn’t that the definition of simp or beta
@@richarddixon6352 no
The funniest part is how he liked older women but isn’t currently dating one. He is apart of the claim he is disputing 😂
We need to eliminate the word "patriarchy" from our vocabularies RIGHT NOW, people massively overuses it and just blames everything on the "patriarchy" which basically is the same thing as saying we live in a society
it's like blaming everything on "late stage capitalism" it's barely even virtue signaling
"Patriarchy" is a synonym for fatherhood: It's basically blaming dad.
I noticed lately people repeating buzz words that make no sense .. often times they are repeating what they heard their fave tell them i have noticed.
we've come full circle to women complaining that women splitting bills on dates is because of the patriarchy. it's a useless buzzword now.
We live in a society 👁👄👁
I am the Patriarchy. I'm in your water. I'm in the air that you breathe. I'm in your walls.
So you make the frogs gay?
I’m in your mom’s walls hehe😊
Are you in the closet?
As much as I enjoyed this discussion there's a huge issue with a bunch of streamers giving advice to the general public. Because of the job and it's requirements I think streamers are the most out of touch people in society, probably along the line of trust fund kids and actors.
at least trust fund kids/actors aren’t terminally online lol
Sure but I would *SUCCESSFUL streamers. Lots still have to work real jobs and stream as a side gig. Also they're giving advice to the terminally online crowd mostly.
I wanna piggyback on that. Destiny was talking about the lack of fulfillment which comes from being the partner who stays home with the kids who seems to exist to support the main earner. I wanted to counter that it goes both ways. The idea that the primary earner is making 6 figures and has all this time for themselves is ridiculous. This is where we have this trope of father's who abandon their families. I am not saying it is right but the idea that being an earner with a career is so fulfilling and liberating feels very much off.
You do realize they're citing studies right? It's hard to write off.
Being terminally online, using Twitch lingo unironically, and having stupid fuck it money, are 3 huge benefactors to NOT being taken seriously for any reason
Congrats on managing to find the group of people that are always the exception to the majority of studies. "I don't mind dating older women!" How old are you? "Twenty six." lol..
Because everything they are saying is performative.
Yeah, the real question is whether he would marry a woman that is 36+. Most men (even red pillers) would have sex with or casually date an older woman…but would not marry them.
@@Kuonji That's lefty politics in a nutshell. Say the "right" thing and be in the "in crowd"
privileged experience, anyone?
He also said that he is dating a younger women. He is just lying his ass off.
I think the dumbest thing I've ever heard is that we just need to teach men not to rape.
As if rapists don't know rape is wrong
RIGHT!!! lol, they didn't get the memo
Pretty dishonest interpretation here. The point is a lot of men don't think that getting a woman drunk to fuck her or implicitly pressuring her, or things of the sort is rapey.
they mean raise boys better and teach them to understand consent. stop being so dense
I hate that motto so much. It’s so brain-dead. ISTG. 😒
Look at the Guy hè hasnt had a shower in years never mind a social life
15 minutes in. no way these people aren't actors and denying basic things like not understanding why men prefer younger woman, and why woman prefer a more stable, protective man.
It would depend on how younger the woman is to the man, it's one thing for any guy that might prefer a chick that is 2 years younger or possibly 7 years younger, but I do find it a bit weird personally that a guy would date a chick that's 10 + years younger, I'm the type of guy that would prefer to date a chick raging from being the same age as myself to being 4 years younger.
Yeah they are arguing dishonestly probably thinking they are on Twitter or something.
@@25taylorkw You are either one of 3 things then:
1.) Still young (under 30)
2.) In the minority of above 35+ men when it comes to preferences
3.) The curly haired guy in the top left of the VS in this stream.
....
which is it?
@@queequeg00 asking people over 35 what they “prefer” is a bit obvious because going to split between “are they happily married” in which case they are probably going to prefer their wife, or are they “divorced with kids” in which case they are just looking for a side piece not to settle down. So most answers are going to go down one of those paths.
@@queequeg00 I'll break it down like this, I'm 27 years old that about to be 28 years old in July who's dating a chick that just turned 26 years old in April and we've been dating about 1 year 9 months, both of us are definitely making more than paycheck-to-paycheck except I make slightly more,
As for the guy from the top left that has the Soviet Union sickle Hammer flag, he's basically a marxist-leninist in which I am definitely not that, specifically I am center to center left by other first-world country standards aka someone that believes in a capitalist system with simple common sense regulations, a strong social safety net, equal rights across the board under the law, and body autonomy rights ( as long as nobody commits a violent crime, theft, or vandalism ), so yeah that's basically who I am in terms of my dating life and political views if you wanted to know.
Destiny says in the beginning that one of the issues with leftists on this topic is acknowledging reality. Then panelists proceed to prove him correct.
a lot of leftists have trouble acknowledging even physiological differences between men and women, imagine them having to actually acknowledge behavioral differences, brain matter would actually start leaking from their ears.
This is why I will never vote progressive/lefty. They are completely detached from reality and furthermore don’t really care about it.
@@indicted_ham_sandwich The actual world that we live in. Not how you wish it’d be, or wouldn’t be. Or what you’ve been taught it is, or it is not.
@@indicted_ham_sandwich Not inside your imagination (aka, your head)
I love when someone dismisses ubiquitous patterns, eschewing “the rule” to fixate on an exception, while thinking they’ve made a novel argument so convincing it redefines reality 🍦
I love when ice cream 🍦
But Destiny, what about? Have you heard of? Actually there's evidence to show. Have you considered?
what's that called? stg there's a term for it but i can't recall
YOU NAILED IT
It's sickening.
"Its a personal experience, but I guess you can write it off as anecdotal."
Yes, so its anecdotal.
I'm surprised that people who say things like that are smart enough to even breathe.
I'm sorry, these people are insane. Women want stability in relationships! How can they contest that? The majority of women would be hesitant to settle down with a guy who earns less than them because they invariably want to start a family, and he may have to provide while she is looking after their baby, etc. And even if they don't want kids, unfortunately, men who are in a lower social position are seen as less reliable. These are cultural norms, deeply, embedded in society. To refute that is madness. You're a very patient guy, Destiny lol
honestly i feel like hes too charitable to the left tbh. he shoulda been way more aggressive here
As a women I can also confirm that a man becomes instantly more sexy if they’re financially stable.
Whilst these norms are true , yhat doesent inherently make it an inherent part of what "must be" a man making less than his women objectively speaking isn't "unreliable" as a person. Its just a socially engranded prefrence if you think about it, its not something that's..."needed" if the woman already has those resources herself.
- How can you say that women want a guy with resources? I’ve been in loads of relationships where the women provided more!
- yeah and they all dumped you 🤨
Nah, PLENTY of women don't care or even prefer to be the providers in relationships, a pretty huge amount, to the point that if that's what you're into you're going to be able to find it pretty easily. The real issue is with pretending that that is the average and that the statement "most women don't want to be the providers in relationships" is somehow incorrect.
Unironically has a soviet flag in the background.
Cringe.
Sp(b)ased Marine
Of course he's the one denying reality.
I wish the Soviet Union was still around. These guys would then see what Soviet communism really was: a conservative patriarchal industrious society; not a feminist progressive inclusive utopia
@@DieNibelungenliad as someone from a soviet state, i dont
@@Corvid- "Trust me bro, real CUMmunism has not been implemented yet."
jesus this is so frustrating. we can't even get past surface level observations about dating. we have to spend 2 hours arguing about whether or not it's generally true that women are valued for their appearance while men are valued for their financial stability. what a thought provoking discussion
Lmao but the surface is only like that BeCaUsE oF pAtRiArChY
If anything social media and connectivity has exasperated this phenomenon.
*Exacerbated
This is complete nonsense both sexes are valued for their appearance and also height in this case of men first and foremost
@@barnaby4232 For men, money is the most important. Not height. You can be 5'4 but if you're a billionaire, you're getting women. You can be 6'3 but if you're homeless, good fucking luck buddy, what you gonna take her back to your cardboard box by your begging cup?
"I guess I'm just different from a lot of other men...." this is gonna be constructive for SURE
The obvious response is « my dude you have the opinions you have on men being brainwashed by muh patriarchy specifically because you’re different »
"I'm not like other guys fr fr"
Clearly the study is invalid if the hammer and sickle tik tok man’s audience disagrees with it.
Facts, and by facts I mean gutcheck.
Hy does Soviet flag guy care about the patriarchy anyway? Has he seen those propaganda posters with the Aryan Soviet family, does he think the Soviets cared about patriarchy?
@@zarlei6048 Hè is communist obsessed, probably a sociology major
political streamers talking about dating 😂
For some reason dating has become political? I think this is one of the biggest problems
Yeah everyone wants to date someone who reads super chats for 9 hours a day and thinks communism is actually totally based
I agree, when a girl sees a guy get out of bugatti she doesn't think about all the money she could get. she just thinks "wow, in order to get that car he must be a really nice guy" 🤡
Dude: 'Biology has nothing to do with the existence of the patriarchy'
Same dude: 'To truly get rid of the patriarchy we would need to perfectly balance men and women biologically'.
Lol. Couldn't make it up.
The same people that think you need to balance the sexual biologically actually don't know what they are asking for.
"Younger woman seek older men because they want a more mature partner" yeah sure...I defy you to provide me the statistics showing younger women date older men that are broke...
Not many older guys are both broke and mature though.
Do broken hips count?
Sure but there is probably some correlation between being financially stable at a certain age and maturity? Broke could indicate that someone is incompetent in some way (of course it depends on the particular circumstances). Like when guys say they want healthy girls some people are like no lol they just want slender attractive girls. But there is probably a crossover between attractive (normal weight, youthful, good mood) and healthy, right?
He even tried to counter destiny's point that men go for looks more with 'well I would date women older than me, as long as they are still attractive'.
Not, because they are more mature, or, because I like successful career women, or, because they are more financially stable. No, 'as long as she still looks young'... Also he didn't day he *has* dated older women, just that he wouldn't be put off.
Yeah but as a 31 year old, mid 20s and younger men are just children lol. And I thought I was mature in my 20s.
Ah yes, the old teach your kids not to murder, steal, criming of any sort argument again. Been a minute since I've heard that one
Yeah we need to stop with the pro murder classes in 5th grade
Wait?! I cant murder either? What else have i not been taught?
@@marmite_popsicle hey Marimite! Love your cooking show, it's the tits. But I was only taught to not get caught
“Raise your sons properly”
*slaps head
“Of course! Why didn’t I think of that?”
Don’t raise rapists!!! Why didn’t I think of that!? I was just teaching my son that you gotta snatch the snatch like a squirrel at a bird feeder but now I’m finally reconsidering
17:45 'I go after women who are older'
'Oh? How much older?'
'um... Uh.... Ah well.... I **wouldn't be afraid** of women 10 years older than me. But only if she's still attractive. Also my current partner is younger than me.'
So, you haven't approached women older than you. You just like to think you would to win the debate.
I feel bad for these young dudes who deny biological reality in dating and mating. They’re 10 years away from realizing how misguided they’ve been.
From my experience those people end up eight er becoming extremely black pilled or ends up in a relationship with sociopaths that takes full advantage of their views on them.
I feel worse for the women. At 30 a guy still has time to turn his life around. At 30 for women they most likely going to have to settle on what they’re asking for.
There is no biological reality to dating
@@highcouncil1302 Good stuff.
@@GFTCNJ well it's true social factors play more of a role
stereotypes exist for a reason. everyone a guy friend says he met a new girl he usually says a bunch of physical traits about her then says she's cool.
that is true
Not really
@@Tavat yes, really
@@Tavat yeah really
Not at all. When you tell your friends you met a new girl, you start talking about her body first? What? I usually tell my friends first what she does for work or study
man, I consider myself on the Left too, but I'm probably older than everyone in this panel. These guys are clueless or in denial about the nature of men and women. Specifically women. It's primarily biology, informed by sociology. Since the dawn of humanity, men and women haven't changed that much. The laws that govern us have.
Even the guy at 17:45 who loudly proclaimed that he _would_ go for older women, still affirmed destiny's point about men valuing looks and youth and women valuing stability and finances.
He said 'I _would_ date a women 10 years older, IF she was still attractive.' Not, I date older career women because I like their financial stability. Or their emotional maturity. But... So long as they still look young and attractive. Thereby completely missing the point. The point is women do like to date older men, even if they aren't youthful and attractive, because with age brings other relationship benefits.
@@chronographer yeah I’m still actively listening to the debate but it seems like they’re just unwilling to confront any real data, i.e. have the honest conversation, which Destiny predicted from the start too lol
Is it really tied behind biology? I’m asking this as someone who’ve dated a woman 6 years older than me and dated a woman 5 years younger than me, and let tell you that biology played a very little role on how I obtain those women.
@@WhoBlah21 you’re doing the same thing the panelists did. Anecdotal evidence doesn’t really bolster an argument.
@@WhoBlah21 how in the hell can you watch this debate, then use the same exact anecdotal argument these delusional people tried to make. When 4/6 of the debators explained at different times why that argument holds ABSOLUTELY ZERO weight...
I love Erudite as the mod for discussions. She's maintaining a good time, offering up good discussion topics and keeping an eye on 1v3's.
Best moderator for a discussion I've seen, you don't get this standard in Presidential debates.
I had to scroll wayyy too far to find this comment!
I love how body expectations discussions about men always focus on being buff when everyone knows height is way more important.
True. Women want a man who can reach the top shelf, not a man who can lift them so they can reach the top shelf.
Height in multiple ways
I (as a woman) genuinely don’t understand this height thing… i’ve dated taller guys and i absolutely cannot stand the height difference. It makes every physical aspect of the relationship way worse when the guy’s head is like 6-12 inches taller than mine its very physically limiting. I don’t understand it at all. I mean if you are a taller girl then sure.. it seems valid to want someone in your general height range. But im 5’3” and I absolutely don’t prefer anything 6’ or over. 5’7” is probably a good.. idk because obviously i don’t walk around measuring people but i never see guys and think they would be too short..
if a guy is much taller than me then i feel like they are my parent or something weird.
@@plantsb4pants978 If you can understand wanting someone in your height range and wanting someone 4 inches taller you can imagine wanting more.
@@alaintouloucanon5467truth is height and even body type doesn't matter much (unless its something extreme.) Everyone is a face person. If u have a good looking face most other things dont matter, physically speaking, for either sex.
NotSoErodite is a god tier host! She sits quietly and lets the panelists talk while only interjecting to get things back to running smoothly. MORE PLEASE!
Calm down captain brownnose
@@deeznutz8320 HuR hUr HuR hUr sO fUnNy 🤤
Bozo.
Once again, Destiny attempts to have a second tier conversation with those stuck on the first tier, bless his heart
The moment it was clear they were arguing in complete bad faith was the moment he should've left the debate.
Yeah, the conversation was gimped the second they tried to invalidate Destiny's position by saying patriarchy, "I go after older women" and accused him of stereotypes
You perfectly worded it, it's killed so many topics before they can start
Cannot believe Vowsh "Tacoma Wept" Vidya was not invited to this panel.
Hes too busy being "inside someone" now lol
Lived in Tacoma at the time that statement was made. Can confirm. Not a dry eye to be found. We felt his absence like the death of Alderan.
Any woman ever is allowed to just outright refuse to date chubby or overweight guys, or refuse to date any guy for any reason, but we have been for years on a shame campaign to police men's dating preferences
Well said
I think part of that is that a lot of mens dating preferences or rather exclusion criteria are really superficial. It makes them seem less justified and more unfair, which makes them easier targets for criticism.
@@synlion the comment you're replying to can be read as a reply to your comment, so i'm not sure why you wrote it.
@@synlion lol and women's exclusion criteria are any less superficial? Have you ever been on any dating app?
That, but also because the people who « analyse » and produce the shame campaigns are mostly women and mostly feminists, so you’re not going to get a lot of criticism of women’s behavior from that.
an hour and 10 minutes into this and I feel so bad for Destiny... they can't get past such basic level shit and having to recognize every fucking nuance on the planet and not be like "ok here is some basic realities that yes are stereotypes that affect most, what can we do about this?"
I am 23 and live with my parents because my mom is disabled and my dad is too old and senile to take care of her. They're boomer asses had me way too fucking late. I luckily have a girlfriend who lives on her own despite this but holy god. It fucking sucks that women get a free pass to live with their parents but guys are treated like losers for it.
You have a really good reason. Even if you couldn’t afford to live on your own, you can always use that as cover. Any woman who would hold that against you probably isn’t someone worth dating anyway.
@@nsaylor9 Even without a good reason it's stupid. Moving out just to move out is next level stupid and people who do that shouldn't complain about never being able to afford a house.
That is same as my life. Dad was crippled and mom was too busy with work to take care of the house/pets and what not.
My own family would look down on me for it. Most potential girlfriends didn’t care to hear any explanation, soon as they hear you live in the same house as your parents they disengage.
I resent Americans heavily for it. I live in Seattle, see all this fake “inclusivity” nonsense people love talking about, yet in REALITY I see them totally disrespect folks actually suffering from medical conditions or those sacrificing their time to help the sick/suffering.
I don’t buy this new generation of “equality” one bit. The people who preach it only follow it when it’s convenient for themselves...
This guys says he is ' steel manny ' like its a bad thing, steel manning your opponents arguments is exactly what you need to do to come to effective resolutions
Well, that is what happens when the barrier for entry is a webcam and an audience of dumb people with credit cards.
the priority of most online debaters is to humiliate their opponents, not come to effective resolutions
I think when he said that he meant "too steelman-y" as in giving too much charitability to the argument that might not warrant it, but yeah it definitely shouldn't become a pejorative lol
I mean it depends. There is absolutely no need, for example, to steelman Hitler's ideology... in fact anyone who does that in front of a huge audience is just a dangerous idiot.
@@IrideLastMtb In my opinion all arguments warrant steel maning, it's the only way that makes any sense.
Destiny: “I prefer women who are more mature.”
Destiny: married to a hot ditzy 23-year-old
Melina literally has no hobbies, intelligence or maturity. There’s nothing interesting about her.
@@wolfensteinabsolutely8715 I don’t think she’s stupid. But she often seems to play up other aspects of her personality than the more cerebral ones Stephen engages in seemingly perpetually. She does not seem particularly “mature” to me though.
Not to armchair psych, but Destiny's made it clear that he prefers women who are "interesting" to a fault, but as someone who streams all day all the time he's old enough to understand he needs a companion that doesn't mind his work schedule, is self-motivated enough to do their own thing most of the time, and is comfortable enough to not only let him do the poly thing, but probably by necessity needs to do the poly thing themselves so they aren't solely reliant on him for companionship. Melina might not be the same kind of "interesting" Destiny bangs, but she seems a good stable element that fits his extremely niche needs so it's not surprising they stayed together.
Destiny has also said on stream while he prefers older woman single woman in their 30s are crazy. He says a lot of statements.
and he started dating her when she was 20 and he was 30 lol
Imagine believing “earning money” is an element of subculture
I really can’t stand when young adults in their 20’s have experiences and date people a little older speak as if this means a high percentage of men in their 30’s and 40’s are willing to date women 10 years or more older than them. Or when these young people on the panel in their 20’s give no examples and simply say that’s not what I feel is going on so Destiny where is your evidence of anything otherwise? It’s like bruh you gave no examples and you are just saying you feel this way but you have no evidence and are wanting others to provide evidence to common truths about the human existence. Geez!
"we are facing a huge societal issue"
"m-m-muh red pill"
Jesus christ
Not an argument
@@JoeMama-gi1so neither is your comment, but go off ig
@@voxling ok
you can tell people live online when they ask for studies of basic things you can tell just by going outside.
"can you show me studies that women tend to like older men"
Just go touch grass
“20 years ago if you lived with your parents you were a loser.”
Cope harder. It’s the same 20 years later.
Not really to the same degree. Depends on the age though.
seeing as how over half of all people aged 25-35 live with their parents still, after the market crashes + covid, you sound delusionally out of touch with reality.
@@darkarchonisme dude, ingesting that level of copium on a regular basis is bad for your mental health.
@@superviolentia it breaks my heart to see so many lives ruined by the copiod epidemic.
yeah i mean, but housing
wow eris went with the reactionary spiteful to leftists. I'm also annoyed because it sounds like none of you live in the real world. I've never heard a man say "she was cool and hot but I ended it because she works at subway or bc she didn't finish college." men don't care about these things knowing a few people that do doesn't make it a norm and bringing it up makes you sound super out of touch as it's not really relevant to an average person
I dont want to sound hateful but I think these progressive types want to play a double game wherein they are neither heterosexual nor cis gendered but they still want to speak on behalf of the heterosexual cis gendered people because cis straight people are the majority of society.
Here in Toronto, a big North American city, Church St is where all the gay culture is concentrated. Outside that, and especially in muslim and punjabi communities, most people are very conservative in regards to gender roles
"I can't believe that my audience, who happens to follow me for my very specific takes, would lean more towards my beliefs and thoughts on social issues."
DGG, serious answers only.
Is loving black people AND respecting women at the same time equivalent to gathering the 6 infinity stones?
You have a salient comparison
I find this question to be disingenuous and supererogatory to the saliency of my amelioration, also you're a fascist.
All I'll say is I've never seen it happen.
Only if you're a black woman with a name that really fits.
DO
If strength difference is meaningless in 22, why do women keep asking me to lift things for them?
this is so cringy because those lefty guys never seem to be dating at all
I feel like the fact that women tend to date up economically, but have a harder time doing that now than in the past, causes women to raise their standarts in other areas. In total this makes the bar so much higher for men to attract a women for a relationship than vice versa. It feels to me like as a guy you have to be at least decently financially stable for your age AND decently attractive AND have a decently interesting/attractive character (confidence, humor, intelligence) to have good chances with most women.
If any of these qualities are significantly below average you're pretty much out of the game unless you can compensate with significantly above average stats in the two other areas.
Meanwhile women can largely still cruise on their looks alone like it's the 1950s, and even if they are just average wouldn't have any difficulties finding a guy to date, i'd argue even an unattractive women has it easier in that regard than most men. Like Destiny said in some other video, a woman counts as having her shit together if she just works any job and doesn't smoke crack, while a man counts as a loser if he doesn't at least have an average income.
This is really bad for society, women end up frustrated because they can't lock down a guy in a committed relationship that meets all these standarts, while men feel like they are in a rat-race where scoring anything below average means you have zero chances for a relationship.
You are exactly right imo. This is why we see so many mens dating spaces on UA-cam, men don’t know what to do because they don’t understand the basics about women. So they’ve created areas where they either get taught how to get a women today or accept that womens standards are too high today and MGTOW. Either way, it is beneficial for both men and women to understand what each other want so we can have successful relationships.
@@caitlinharper1633 women want too much
It's pretty disgusting how much attention a 6/10 white girl gets nowdays
The data on this doesn’t corroborate that narrative though. Yes, women PREFER men with money. Everyone prefers money. But in actuality, more women are the “breadwinners” (I hate that term) in their relationships than ever before. So, clearly, that hypergamous mentality is decreasing every year. Just like men PREFER young women with no kids, but the average marriage age for women is still ~28-30. I think people are conflating preferences with standards/deal-breakers because it allows them to make excuses for why they’ve been unsuccessful in dating.
@@LoneWulf278 That was the point of my comment. I said, that because women aren't able to date up economically that easy anymore, they raise their standarts on other traits. There are also more single people in their 20s than ever before and it's usually not guys that say they are fine being single and celibate, so where does this come from? And that guys have higher standarts to clear is pretty much a fact at that point, when is a woman ever judged on her financial status? Or on her ability to make jokes, her confidence, her interesting life? The majority of men are fine with an average looking woman that isn't a total mess on those factors. But like I said, a guy with these same attributes is going to have a real hard time dating because women generally have a lot of options and to me it seems many women are fine with being single until they find a guy that checks all these boxes.
When the guy said “hunter gatherer societies” at ~30min I actually shuddered in revulsion
history finds 1 woman 1 time doing a manly thing, lefties go zomg this exception breaks the norms thus this exception is how we should base society norms now....
@@117Ender im getting my phd in evolutionary biology and these idiots make me want to cry they really do
I noticed far lefties like to keep mentioning hunter gatherer societies in a grossly ahistorical way in order to justify their beliefs and it's very annoying since it's very obvious that they have no idea what they're talking about.
"My TikTok followers disagree with your research"
We live in the dumbest society.
No, a trophy wife doesn't need degrees....pretty much everything this women says is nonsense ....
She's jewish in academia, Different culture.
I would agree that on average well-off men that are college educated tend to marry women with a similar education level. People tend to marry others with a similar education background, and most rich people are college educated.
We don’t live in the 1900s, women are enrolled in college at higher levels than men so it’s almost a given that high earning men will choose a woman that is college educated over one that is not. Men value the education level of women more than Destiny realizes, because your background matters if you are marrying someone rich and acts as an income trajectory. Most people want to marry someone that can contribute economically in a meaningful way, your household income will tend to be higher when both people are college educated.
@@AudaciousBourgeois ....a degree is nice...but it isn't a needed requirement for a women to be a trophy wife ...
@@AudaciousBourgeois A woman with a science degree, for instance, also likely has a high IQ-and would therefore produce more intelligent, successful children. Intelligence is highly based on genetics, so an attractive+educated woman would be a much more impressive trophy wife than an attractive high school dropout.
@@casebased8391 Exactly.
Why is it so hard to bring up "evolution" when it comes to identifying major factors that make men and women behave differently? Unless you are a blank-slater, the contribution that evolution has on sex-different behavior is practically undeniable.
Because they are anti science more than they like to believe.
Did you guys hear that?? It's a miracle !!! We can cure grape if we just teach men not to grape !! What a profound and intelligent idea....
Leftist greatest weakness is that they are prone to being completely divorced from the natural world. These fools actually think nature does not apply to humans because "we're different"
Why didn’t I think of this?!
Where do people get this ridiculous idea that women didn’t have the right to work until the fifties? That’s just not true. Because of a host of different factors, including that they bear children and the manual labor nature of work it just didn’t make much social or financial sense for women to work outside of the home. Most had no desire to. But if they did want to and if they were qualified they absolutely were allowed to work. It is the technological advancements of the last 100 years that mostly propelled women into the work force. It’s like these people can’t even conceive of a world outside of the one they live in.
Eris mentioned beauty standards, and how women have to look a certain way. I have to say, I think most of these beauty standards are self imposed. I've never been bothered about make-up. In fact I prefer women without make-up, and I know so many guys who feel the same way, but whenever I've told a partner I prefer them without make-up - they still want to wear make-up. I mean, that's their choice, but it's a choice that's being constantly reinforced by other women for the most part.
The problem is, those standards are reinforced everywhere else. Even if you tell her you don’t need her to wear makeup, she’s paying attention to all the girls like Kim Kardashian that men crave that does wear makeup.
@@KingstonHawke I don't disagree. It's just frustrating. If they're just being influenced to do this, and the people who are marketing these standards are also just being influenced to do so _(in order to make money in a society that values wealth)_ at what point do we allow for personal autonomy?
@@peterbabicki8252 Autonomy doesn't exist in the way many people seem to think it does. We are never acting absent influence from environmental factors. It always plays a part. You just have to overcome all of the influences you don't think are in your favor to act on.
It's not easy though. Self control, or self determinism, is basically a form of conversion therapy. And while conversion therapy can work, AA is an example, it's difficult as hell. Almost even impossible for some.
@@KingstonHawke Yeah, I agree. I'm a pretty hardcore determinist. It still think it's useful to call out people to change.
@@peterbabicki8252 I think it is heavily self imposed by other women, but that self imposition is very much informed by an implicit reinforcement that comes from men. So men, generally like women who look really hot and makeup helps, so women who are really good at makeup are more popular with men. This is all implicit, very few men are like “ew put makeup on or I’m gonna puke all over the place”
But then this very minor upstream factor causes this massive downstream effect where you have makeup companies going crazy with predatory marketing, social bullying etc.
People make the mistake of attributing blame to men when men are basically an unwilling contributor and the harm is being done downstream.
I don't know if this is just me, but I find people displaying a flag under which the Ribbentrop Molotov Pact was signed to be a slap in the face. The HasanAbi clone guy really gets under my nerves.
I hated him he acted like such a when the girl joined
Hearing a bunch of 20 year olds talk about their experiences (or lack of) with women is fucking hysterical. Like asking an 8 year old to explain string theory.
Thank you. The blindest leading the blind
Look at the Guy top left, the term ungroomed comes to mind
Still laughing 😂 😂👍🏻
This conversation is filled with Anecdotal Andy’s. Then the one dude when asks for studies, he gets them but then is like “tHiS sTuDy Is 5 yEaRs oLd”
Yeah using this logic is so disingenuous when plenty of studies take over a year to conduct, therefore we can just keep saying "Ofe that study might not be accurate now since norms can change every year or so"
Half the population has used online dating? Absolutely not. Not even close.
I couldnt finish this, had to stop 57 min into the video. Saying “just learn to code” is a meme for a reason. Un-ironically saying “just work out” as an equalizer for rape between men and women is frustratingly stupid.
This chick is an excellent moderator
"just socialize, lol, it's easy" - inceldom is cured
How can they be surprised that guys turn to PUAs and the red pill if *that* is the only advice they are capable of giving?
It always seems like Destiny will be engaging in a certain conversation based on a topic that could definitely be interesting and contains a great deal of nuance only for their to be contention on the most fundamental parts on the topic, something that everyone should agree with. Good conversations get stalled because people don't even want to acknowledge reality and contextualize their framework around a fantasy world they've concocted in their mind. This Convo is very synonymous to the steal thing discourse panels where we could've had pretty good conversations going through the nuance of sex and consent and how broad the term rape has become or how much agency an individual has in the interaction, but we ended up being stun locked on whether a should take steps to prevent any harm to themselves. We'll be trying to have a conversation at tier 2 and 80% of the panelists are stuck trying to figure out tier 1
I think saying “fuckin” every few words weakens your argument, and kinda sounds like you aren’t totally convinced of it yourself
He’s a communist. You expect him to have some tangible confidence in his beliefs?
@@YeahBoy1019 Communists don't have principles at all though, do they
Non-native speakers sometimes overuse "fucking" "like" "etc" to buy some time to form their next sentence so it doesn't sound like gibberish
The anti-science of these people knows no bounds. Its actually mind blowing
what is the "anti-science" views of this video? It seems like a more sociological conversation IMO.
@@fenixdown2396 i think he means statistics and basic knowledge of people who have lived as a member of society.
Anti-science as in disregarding that we are animals with gut instincts that affect our actions, regardless of how much we’d like to think we’d make a different choice
@@YeahBoy1019 the whe gut Instinct thing is still a more social an assumption more than it is a "inherent fact" of life.
@@fenixdown2396 I’d say that claiming no biological differences existed in hunter gatherer society was pretty anti-science
These 2 soy boys living in fantasy land? There's plenty of guys now a days willing to be house husbands but almost no women looking for one
Real question. Is there any guy in here that wasn’t told growing up that rape is a really shitty thing to do?
Even if it wasn't said verbatim I would hope that everyone was told at least something from which it is implied that rape is bad
@@Theo-vn9hm ya exactly lol. And honestly I always find that argument silly because anyone that is willing to commit a violent act of rape against someone probably doesn’t give a shit how many times they have been told it’s a bad thing to do.
@@travismlamb Yeah. What might however be a legit good idea is to talk more about the more subtle ways a girl might feel pressured or non-penetrative acts of sexual harassment and assault. It really wouldn't surprise me if some guys genuinely don't know how to tell what is appropriate or inappropriate. Of course that won't stop the POS who just wants to grope but it might stop bad situations that arise from a bad understanding of limits
"Eastern cultures tend to be more matriarchal."
........that's not true at all. What?
in some cases from certain perspectives
And North East Asian nations are on par with Western countries
In Korea the marriage between Korean men and Western women is more common than the other way around
pretty sure they won't be doing that unless they think they will treat them well
But most western men get cognitive dissonance when they hear things like that
Im 130 at 5'11", a toothpick, and I imagine I can still beat 90% of women IF I didnt hold back yet I still understand how woman can be abusive and get away with it.
Abuse comes in 3.
1-Physical
2-Psychological/Mental
3-Social/Legal
"Going to bars and dating is not the common subculture"
Well, it is. but the alternative is an arranged marriage. so yeah.....
Bars and clubs are becoming less appealing to young people especially to meet women in my city, and I live in one of the biggest cities in America. The average bar experience is mostly older dudes chilling, and the average club experience is a sausage fest.
@@WhoBlah21 meeting women in clubs is like dumpster diving for groceries.
@@WhoBlah21 meeting women in clubs is like dumpster diving for groceries.
Dude asks for data from Destiny about women not wanting to date a guy who makes less than them and without skipping a beat tells a personal anecdote. It’s the classic fallacy “But I know a really tall women.”
This dude talking about how Asia is “more matriarchal” has literally never been to any Asian country. I lived in East Asia for a decade and have been to all but a couple countries in that region many times. Asian countries are SUPER patriarchal in pretty much every aspect.
Yup 100%! There are tiny communities in Asia that are matriarchal, but are completely irrelevant to the general cultural trends on the continent
@@lespaul5734 The longer I watched this, the more I saw that Destiny’s critique of how super-SJW people online pick tiny example outside the standard deviation applied to a couple of these guests’ arguments.
My main contention is Destiny’s application of “the left” to all these ardent SJWs. The common socially conscious person on the street usually has no fking clue about any policy details, let alone “leftist” policy. It’s an unfortunate association.
These college kids don't understand physical labour at all. "Nobody needs to be strong anymore we have machines" Like. Cmon go to a construction site
Or ANY labor. Every job I've ever had asked if you could lift 50 lbs and be on your feet all day.
It is incredibly strange listening to people who don't realize the social biology at play here. Women look for social/economic security (age, wealth, status), men look for the highest chance for their offspring's reproductive success (youth, childbearing hips). Not to mention this makes sense even further if you look at the fact that a man could take multiple partners (even lesser ones) and still be biologically successful, but women can only reproduce once in a given window AND only a few times in a lifetime.
Women also look for the most sexually stimulating partner, hence why women tend to cheat with men who provide a greater roller coaster of emotion. This can either be the bad boy who loves dangerously, or the high status entrepreneur who buys her nice stuff. And due to our modern world, short term sexual mating opportunities are becoming more common.
I remember reading a dissertation about findings on female sex tourism, the men women seek out in foreign cultures are not rich nor high status. Something to consider.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing.
Biological successful for an individual probably isn’t what best for society in this case though. I see guys use this argument to imply that men should be able to have multiple partners and women should only have one. The problem with this obviously is that then only really really successful men are going to get to have multiple partners and the many men none. This leads to lots of unhappy lonely men. This might have been ok in the past where lots of guys are killed in wars or die in dangers work conditions but that doesn’t work as well now.
@@Seri-dy5dd From the little research I've done it seems that polygamous cultures in the past led to this exact dynamic, regardless of men dying more.
more resources/status/money=tons of partners and offspring, that leaves the majority of men with nothing with no chance to get partners... which obviously leads to murder, rape, kidnapping and from what I gathered war. polygamous cultures are way more violent and it makes sense we wouldn't want to go down that route unless we hate safety and some amount of stability culture/society wise.
@@AnimosityIncarnate this is why monogamy is based. I think a few liberal-minded emotionally mature people can handle open relationships and things like that but I think for 98% of the population monogamy should be the ideal.
With this debate we can finally understand why there’s so many of those “embrace masculinity” Little Dark Age edits
"the toxic redpill community"
god I hate those guys, good thing I'm part of the "good hearted blue checkmark community"
Destiny, don't sit there and say it's shitty that men are attracted to women for their beauty and women are attracted to men for their accomplishments when your very relationship is based upon those exact principles 🤣
@Harry Evans Destiny's current wife wouldn't have given him a second look if he wasn't a successful streamer and Destiny wouldn't have given his wife a second look if she wasn't young and attractive 🤣
Doesn’t Melanie make more money than him?
@@gabemord5088 not necessarily true, women aren't as attracted to status as many believe. The red pillers are correct on this topic in my opinion, women place a greater emphasis on status when her mate is not of the highly sexually stimulating type. Hence the sexual success of the proverbial bad boy, he takes risk, street smart and overall a fun partner.
@@OpiatesAndTits Maybe, but definitely not when they originally met and first became attracted to each other. So the point stands.
@@ahmarcamacho8404 no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Top left guy invented bad faith
Lmao
The problem isn't expectations on men, it's that those expectations are becoming harder and harder for them to meet.
I’m 27 and one of my biggest regrets in life was listening to blue pillers when it comes to dating my whole life.
I used to think “being a man” was just a bs stereotype and I wasn’t very successful in college, but I joined the army, got a lot stronger, got a stable income, deployment toughened me up, and magically started getting more girls.
It’s shitty as someone who’s always leaned left on social issues but I 100% have to give it to red pillers that there’s something to this whole “be a man” thing. Stereotypes exist for a reason
My girlfriend has two masters degrees and is currently working on her Phd in the STEM field, she makes great money already, I have no college education and make OK money in an unskilled type of job.
Women who dont care about mens careers exist but I would never deny that it is not normal at all. Oh and I dont even care about her education, I started dating her because she is hot lol.
No harm there, I hope it pans out.
Damn you're lucky
Same! My gf is gonna do her post doc soon and makes double what I make as a line cook. Though I do find her ambition to be a professor very attractive it's not the main reason we're dating.
They keep bringing up education but that's tightly linked to wealth which they kept saying isn't that important.....
Yo good point, I didn’t even consider that.
I love when someone blows the gain and volume up on their mic so I can’t hear half of the panel, really great
I wish they would have defined an "ideal relationship" before going into this. This dude next to Hans kept talking about how successful his dating life has been, but he doesn't seem to be married and has had multiple relationships. That seems like a failure to me personally. A successful dating life to me, is finding your pair bond and marrying them, but I understand to some other people that running through as many women/men as possible is considered successful or having long term relationships are successful. But unless you actually agree on an "ideal relationship/dating life" how can you even talk about a successful dating life. How can you prescribe anything when you haven't given the stated goal.
Finally, a based Poly hater
True
True. Kinda what I said earlier. He kept mixing up relationship and sex attraction. Most men his age (especially if single) would have sex with women of varying ages 35+ given the opportunity. But actually marrying them would be a very separate topic.
@@fiachracasey7625 I'm not a poly hater lol, I'm just giving my personal opinion of "successful dating"
@@MithosDagon Also, he's bringing up what is popular in porn. Of course people are gonna explore their fetishes in porn.
In my mind "women who are 10 years older than me" isnt the same as "older women"
WAY more women would date and marry a man as old as their dad as opposed to the number of men who would date and marry a woman as old as their mom
A lot of people in my country can't easily afford to move out at 25 because their jobs still pay the minimum amount since they lack experience. So before they move out, it's way more comfortable to pay some small fee to parents, help with some housework, and stay in for some time before you can actually move out and be on your own and comfortably manage your finances. I understand that streamers like Destiny might have trouble understanding this since they have a particular personality and luck was on their side as well, but believe it or not, some people actually do have to worry about money and it's not always easy to just take off. Destiny acts smug as fuck now that he's fine but I'm pretty sure there is plenty of worlds where he could also have easily gotten absolutely fucked in his own path of life, so I don't really like his demeanor here.
I really don't understand why it carries a loser status to have money but live with your family, but it's not loser status to be dead broke, breaking even, and living in a tiny apartment.
My mom and brother live in the same house as me, we all work, we all take care of our own responsibilities, I cook my own meals, I do literally everything for myself, AND I have a shit ton of money in the bank because the portioned out rent isn't draining me. But women will invariably consider me a loser.
@@SkeleTonHammer How did you get the impression that women consider you a loser for living with parents? Have you been told so specifically?
In the terms of how people can improve on their independency, these can be the ways that this type of situations can be improved in the terms of policies,
- Have legislation that would protect unionization / collective bargaining so the workers / employees can have better pay and better working conditions,
- Make housing affordable by easing up on zoning ordinance laws in order for more housing develop companies to build affordable houses while also do a antitrust bust on private equity firms like BlackRock that are monopolizing the housing market,
- Having public tax-funded higher education be tuition-free for the first four years while having finance classes in high school that could teach young kids to be better with their money,
There's a few other things that would greatly increase the chances of young adults living independently on their own, but these are the top three ways that I come up with from the top of my head.
@@25taylorkw Dude good one. You forgot that the previous generations want everything for themselves and nothing for you and they (excluding young people) make like 85% of voters in every western country. Good luck with your policies. You're suggesting these policies to the same fucks who brought onto us a massive inflation, housing crisis (they own the houses kekw), lack of jobs and social division based on everything imaginable. There will sooner be a third world war before they do anything that could favor you in the slightest.
@@Bai_Su_Zhen If you're talking about the fair majority of people in the US ( aka baby boomers and possibly generation X ) that had the mindset that you're describing then you would be correct in which those age of voting demographics are going to decrease barely over the next 10 years to 15 years in the US, but in other western countries ( with also in other first-world countries around the globe ) as far as I'm aware of do have legislation that protect unionization / collective bargaining, having a form of universal healthcare, having a public tax funded higher education that is affordable or tuition-free, and other things like those policies.
Some of these guys are in abject denial about the reality of gender dynamics in relationships.
Damn near all the women I've kept in touch with that I have met during undergrad and graduate school, are all either currently in a traditional conservative relationship, where they either do not work or work part-time or, they're currently seeking a traditional conservative relationship, where they either do not work or work part-time. These are all lefty feminist women as well.
The more things change, the more they stay the same and women as a collective still fervently impose traditional gender roles onto men.
@@0doublezero0 essentially women wanted to have their cake and eat it too. While being able to say they never had the cake to begin with. It def feels like all that’s been done is women have vice gripped the ability of a fair amount of guys to find stable relations. While women also get the added benefits of sexual promiscuity, financial success and social status. It’s kinda cancer to be frank.
@@0doublezero0 I personally do not mind if a woman wants a traditional conservative lifestyle, like being provided for and what not. That's what you're just into then that's just what you're into. I just do not think it's realistic. Almost all men make like $40k to $80k. Men on average are just not going to be able to provide a traditional conservative lifestyle.
@@0doublezero0 ya well that’s all fine and dandy. But that also is incredibly fucking up society. If more guys are having harder time finding partners cause of high picky standards by women who lets be honest tend to be the arbiters of said relations in society. Where just gonna see a continued decline in areas like birth rates, male participation etc. and just a general message being sent to these dudes to just piss off cause your not wanted.
Frankly is this really worth having more women waiting till their 40 for whatever all encompassing empowerment trip being posed and endorsed? Honestly I don’t think so.
Almost makes you wish for a gender pay gap....
Agreed, anyone who's been though a stem degree can see it. I did a physics degree, of my friends who all also did physics; men: defence contractor, aerospace modelling, meteorology, physics researcher, secondary physics teacher. Women: part time author, stay at home mum, stay at home cat mum, housewife, seasonal ski instructor.
I mean good on them for finding what makes them happy, but it wasn't pursuing a highly technical career. For most it was finding a man who was even more qualified who could support them in their passions, and that's okay. But that's the reality you have to work with
Every single person on this panel has a different volume level holy shit.
What an actual moderator. Very refreshing
"My 200,000 subscribers would agree with me about gender stuff so that's a greater sample size than your study."
C'mon dude. You have to understand the selection bias here. Most of them follow you because they already agree with you. Think about it, no one would take it seriously if Steven Crowder polled the millions of people in his audience about race issues.