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The plywood is CDX and the advantec can be found at some Lowes and home depot's.
Trying a few. What thickness of CDX warps less?
@@jerrystubbs2812 I have only used 3/4. So I can't really say on the other thicknesses but 3/4 inch is the best bet all the way around I think
@@kamonreynolds I've made lots of telescoping lids from 3/4" CDX or BDX plywood without the sheet metal cladding. (The "X" means its laminated with exterior glue.) I'm in Georgia and I think the sheet metal adds unwanted heat in the summer. My over-sized 2" rim is made of pine, which minimizes any warping and provides space for a shim if needed. They don't take long to make and much more economical alternative to the store bought stuff. They get a good coat of exterior primer and two or three coats of paint applied with a six inch roller. I'm nearly a sideliner and building up my equipment inventory is a substantial investment, trying to save where ever I can...
Would the CDX also be suitable for bottoms?
@@brianjackson2870 Mann Lake has two options available for bottom boards, both are plywood. One is painted , the other is pressure treated.
Great video ! Thanks for sharing your journey !
Love the video! Such a cute kitty cat! Never know I may start making my own lids and boxes one day. Great information. Thank you! 🐈🐝🌻
Everyone going on about the big red truck....... Heck I couldn't take my eyes off of that awesome table saw. We just don't give enough praise to a good ol heavy duty table saw until we fumble around with much of the junk that's put out today.
If it ain't got a drive belt and a separate motor, it ain't a table saw, it's a circular saw screwed to some sheet metal. Kamon doesn't seem like an 'upside down circular saw" kinda guy, one of many reasons I enjoy watching his videos is that he prioritizies what works over what's cheap or what looks good.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I used my cheapo Dewalt for the first time today. The table is plastic.
I got lucky as heck and traded a nuc for a 2-horse craftsman.
I use a cheap one for dadoes.
Wish I had two nice saws.
Look at estate sales.
@@mikeries8549 I see those big cast iron saws on craislist all the time, I picked one up last fall and do the same as you now, I keep the dado in my old craftsman and the big saw open.
With the Laurel Highlands of Pennsylvania wind and weather, my solution to warping is a bigger rock
Thanks for another stellar video. I love how you wear heavy duty gloves for handling that scary wood, but you’ll work barehanded around bees, get stung left and right, and blow it off.
I am admittedly a odd guy!
I LOVE advantech. I get all of mine for Free!!! They throw tons of the stuff away at new housing construction sites. You just have to time it right. Same deal on my hive stands, all for free! All but the screws (which are not cheap), but hey---not complaining.
That is the way to do it
Yep, I use advantec for my tops and bottom boards. Hubbard in Broken Bow, Oklahoma, manufactures them.
But I make telescope style for insulation,under. I do paint mine.
You should buy the brown Advantec for roofs and its not tongue and grove.
Langford a friend of mine in Chattanooga, Tn.uses it too and doesn't paint his with no problems on 100 plus hives.
I take the trouble to paint the top and bottom of my boxes. I let them sit a couple of days before flipping and painting the bottom and after two days I stack them with parchment paper between them, (which I refuse throwing it in a box ) so that they don't stick until they are needed.
On warm days I turn over my lids to dry out for the day. The painted side down is quickly wet and dripping since the wood cannot soak up the moisture as the unpainted side can. I also use advantech lids and bottom boards
Cool video! We got the cat and Laura’s giggles! I think the cat caused you to loose your train of thought. You can always start locking the cats up before filming. Thanks for the video and have a great day! RTR!!!
He might start putting them in boxes, lol.
I love your videos. Very clear and down to earth.
Hello from central Nebraska
Perfect video. Giggles and cat in the box. I'm not a fan either of inner covers.
I would have put the lid on the cat 🐈 too. It was necessary
It felt necessary.......that little camera hog
Very educational and entertaining. You are a very articulate educator sir.
If your lid is warping you can try placing your plywood pieces with their grains running perpendicular. Might be worth a try.
I made some like Ian and they work great for room for the pollen patties, mountain sugar and fondant paities fit also. Like them very much. I used the plywood style. Holds up well. Build and enjoy.
You said you were gonna give a starter hive away.....lol
jeremy james 🤣😂 I’m pretty sure I heard that too 😜🤪
I want to discuss varroa and their resistance to treatments that I've used this year. I started eight new packages. Once the packages were capping brood, I used Apivar to kill any mites in the package. At the end of June I pulled the strips and checked mite counts using the alcohol wash. My mite counts were 2 mites per 100. So, in July I used Apiguard (trusted by me for years). At the end of July my mite counts doubled to 4 per 100 bees. So, in August I used Oxalic acid every five days for three weeks. The mites were falling because I used sticky boards.
Last weekend I used Oxalic acid once again since the brood rearing is just about over. I didn't have sticky boards remaining so I used 8.5" x 11" paper to catch the mite droppings. I placed the sheets of paper on the bottom board as close to the cluster as I could.
I came back the next morning to collect and count the dead mites. I was shocked to see the number of dead mites in the sample. Here they are...
Apiary 1. Hive one 1024 mites. Hive two509 mites. Hive three 63 mites.
Apiary 2. Hive one 438 mites. Hive two 331 mites. Hive three 303 mites.
Two hives weren't treated because they died from PMS and DWV. I'll melt down that wax this winter.
I know you talk about mite control a lot. I did everything possible to kill mites and yet I failed. I've kept bees for over 20 years and never had this much issue with mites being resistant to these treatments. I monitored all season long and still had these high numbers.
I'm hoping the hives make it through the winter. The populations are strong and food is heavy. If they die out I'm done keeping bees. Suggestions on your part.
Oh, these new hives were put on foundation and built up through the year.
You have to try to treat mites when the colonies are broodless.Whenever that is .During summer season usually august when brood is very little try to destroy the existing brood and then try to donthe treatment.At december again the same thing.
@@RKalos I know the best time for Oxalic is when the hive is bloodless. But when nothing else works then I had to try to keep the numbers at bay.
@@beebob1279 yes but you should try to uncap the existing brood and treat these frames separately with formic acid.
Cat: What hive box? This is my box now.
Truer words were never spoken
I find it funny that it's not available where I live in the Great North. Yet the factory that produces it and sends it all over the country by rail, is 30 miles from me.
Love the cat !!!!!!
I want a truck like yours for Christmas!
Bought some Advantech today, $68 a sheet! CDX plywood was $75!!!
Wow that is crazy. I purchased a sheet of advantech today for a home project for 46 dollars a sheet which is high to me. Think I paid 37 a sheet when I did this video
The Lyson cover for their styrofoam hive looks similar but costs 4x as much.
I like your cats they love you
A nice roof for hives, I see a way to use it as a bottom too, in case of emergency.
Swedisch beekeper.
Very perceptive. In a pinch we have done just that
I use ACX plywood. 3/4"
It starts getting mooshy after 3 or 4 years. Ten per sheet.
I cut everything 16.25 x 22
That way I can make either tops or bottoms with the same size pieces.
Insulating hives is over-rated. Keep them DRY and well-fed.
Hello from the UK
Years ago I worked for J M Huber who made Avantec. Here is an FYI on the OSB and plywood you spoke of
OSB is four layers of wood strips normally 6x2 inches and thinly sliced oriented with layers 1 and 4 going one way and 2 and 3 ninty degrees off in the middle layers. Glue is on all layers prior to being laid out and is pressed under heated plates. 6-10 inches of stranded thickness is compressed to 1/2- 3/4 inch in about 10 seconds. It is then trimmed and cut to size.
Plywood is made the same way except the logs are spiral cut from outside to the log core then laid outin layers similar to OSB with glue and heat.
The big difference is the OSB will shed small strands while plywood will separate in sheets as moisture gets in. The main area to protect g with both are the edges where air gaps form on both.
Phil
Thanks !!
The Cat!! Kamon your doing much better with them. Hilarious 😂
Kamon, on the topic of paints, if people are really concerned about the possibilities of paint fumes causing issues for their bees, they can paint with Low VOC paints, the same kind that's preferred when painting the interiors of reptile enclosures. The outgassing of the volatiles takes much less time, so people who are worried about them can paint and put their lids in use fairly quickly.
So I was helping my dad replace a floor in an enclosed trailer where he lives down in central Florida. I looked all over Home Depot for advantech till finally I asked a guy that looked like he worked in construction who was at the store. He was like, I don't know what that is. !!! I didn't know what to say lol. So apparently some areas don't rot like they do here in TN. In Florida its all sand and the water just doesn't stay on the surface, so stuff doesn't decompose like it does here. Who knew? So all they have there is Pressure treated Ply and no advantech. I was so sad for them.
You mentioned “screws” and the cat stole your attention.
I love the cats!!!!! 🤣
2021 here to remind that Advantech is currently running $91/sheet.
we dont have Advantec here in AZ.
My opinion is that the Advantech doesn't warp as much as any plywood. And in your video, it seems to demonstrate that. But if it's working for you, then that's all that matters.
Kamon I wish you luck with the plywood, I found that it always warps. This is the reason that I went to advantec. I agree totally about painting the tops inside and out. I roll 3 coats on the edges also. So far no problems. Very very happy as comparing to my plywood tops. Being that you are adding the lips may make a difference, In Ian’s case, he has the insulation material that will compensate for any warpage? Let me add, when milling my boxes I mill the inside frame rest 3/4 deep giving that little extra bit of top space, which suits my needs perfectly and may do the same for you ?
Phillip Hall
I have a friend who uses the pvc board. That's what I'm going to try.
I build my migratory, with treated plywood, but do router a 3/8 grove in a 2.5" wide 1x an glue an screw on ends of lids along with a 3" wide scrap piece of plywood on ends as well, really helps with warping, an on underside i rip treated 2x4s 3/8" thick ,lay flat an glue an staple , for bee space, then dip lids. Will last for yrs an yrs.
Awesome video brother! Huge fan of your channel! Can you make a short video review on your awesome truck? What year?
Thanks David. Twist my arm! I would love to talk about my baby! Try to get to that soon
Advantech is $72/sheet today...
Make a t-shirt with a cat in box lol
i use CDX, sister inlaw gave me 12 sheets of it and making lids and other items around my ranch.
Thanks Kamon, this information is totally useful, i am using telescoping covers and have had issues with ants and roaches as you mentioned so this advice is great. I also follow Ian and continue to learn from both of you. In the Bahamas we don't have snow but the basic theory is the same for keeping bees. Awesome stuff
Thanks Ian!
Cat! That cat!!
I'm curious about your wax dipping process. That might be a good topic for a video........;-)
Look back on his list. He did one several years ago.
Gotta love the farm cat 😆
Yea kitty!! Love it
Yeah pawmallow has a purr nearly as big as my truck. Apparently he owns everyone and everything now.
Advantech and CDX are not meant to be used exposed to the weather and elements. Advantech is mostly used as a subfloor in the building industry. CDX plywood is mostly used in sheathing for wood frame buildings. Both materials can be used for beehives but will need to be replaced eventually. Paint or dipping will help prolong the life of the wood. Capping with aluminum may help as well. Nice truck, nice saw, nice cat!
Since cats have conquered the internet already, you should make a "Beekeeper cat blooper" video playlist. I am sure you will get tons of views and subscribers ;) And pics and videos of their bloated faces when they get nailed by the girls.
Yeah, Fiddlesticks! You tell them Kamon.
That was hilarious, those cats are out of control. I was really trying to listen Kamon. I'm expecting those cats will start turning up in their own tshirts with funny lines on them soon. The lids look great, why do you wax dip and not paint FWIW?
Just a guess here.....think of the wood like it were steel. Plating steel in zinc gives it rust resistance up until you scratch through the plating, then it can rust. If instead you make stainless steel (add some chrome and/or nickle into the steel itself) then even if you scratch the surface it still wont rust. Wax dipping penetrates much deeper than paint ever could
nice cat
Thanks for the tips Kamon. About how old is that box?
12 years give or take a year it sat in a barn for 2-3 years of that
Schrodinger’s cat.
Haha remember when advantech was $36 a sheet!?!
Kamon, I live in south Arkansas and we have some seriously hot and humid summers!! Do I need to be adding some form of ventilation in the lid?!?
Lol my, my you raise big bees! a new type of bee! " A kat bee 😂 but I have a question have you ever experimented with composite wood ( the ground up wood an plastic) As an experiment when they first came out with it 15+ years ago. I built an bench seat & back, it has never had any treatment an sets out in full sun 365 an winter's ice an snow their is a slight UV deterioration showing up after 15+ years.. only down side I have found? It's " heavy" but like I said this was an experiment to see how it weather in Michigan... If I was to give it a deterioration percentage? I would estimate 2-3% " facial"
Question...saw allium paint to patch roof on mobile home. Would that work?
I follow your video's, they are great. My question is I am in a Darth , I guess that is how to spell it, anyway I think I should start feeding my bee's. What should I get to mix with sugar and water ? Thanks
What about an upper entrance if you stack? Inner cover provides that.... What do you do?
Looks like it is hard to keep water out of the hive.
Kamon for your next trick is Laurel going to come out of the box ?????
Getting cats to do this in a video is the work of a skilled magician! To do what you are asking I would have to be a miracle worker!!!
I didn't know you used to work for averitt. I too worked for averitt until I had the stroke.
Yessir I did 3 years till I got a part time driving job elsewhere
@@kamonreynolds I put in 8yrs. 14mos on the road, then into corporate in expedited and multimodal.
Schrodinger's cat
Do you use a inner cover?
No sir
How would it work to make nuc boxes
Please more info on Ian's lid. I'm not visualizing it. A 1/2" strip that is 3/4" wide?
1/2" thick or high x 3/4" wide around the inside edge of the lid. Just to leave a 1/2" space for patties, etc. Also puts all the weight of the lid on the edges of the flexible inner sheet.
ua-cam.com/video/PKASeCnB8eg/v-deo.html check it out fellas. Ian is one the few guys I really like on UA-cam.
@@kamonreynolds Ian is full of information about bee keeping,seems like a very genuine nice fella, who is also a successful Honey Producer.
Bob fl. I Have 4 gallon top feeders with one gallon of 1-1 sugar water in them 3 are bone dry 5 have not been touched. What does this tell me ? 3 weak hives ? 3 strong hives?
I have a old deck with treated 5/4" boards I removed and made a top out of them this summer. Seems to be working and have not noticed any side effects so far from the treated wood (10 years old and very dry wood). Have you had any experience using treated lumber for tops?
GO KAMON.
I just bought some new hives and the top board does not have a hole in it. After thinking about it the hole is used for feeding not for ventilation as I was thinking.
How on earth do the bees get ride of all the moisture from the evaporating nectar if there is no hole in the top of the hive?
Kamon, did you say PDX or CDX, could be my hearing. googled PDX and it only comes up with CDX which I have used.
CDX
CDX Harold. Sorry about that
Ha, ha, I listened several times and have never heard of PDX. Glad it was clarified here. Cat got your tongue Kammon!
You ment to say War Damn Eagle!
U have vent in top
With so much talk of ventilation, how are your hives ventilated with these lids? I use telescoping cover with popsicle sticks in corners. Would like to use your type for cost saving. Seems to me your ventilation is fine. What you say?
How long do you get out of advantech lids now? My last batch only made it 2 yrs and are now mush.
Advantech is not made like it use to be made. Unless they are wax dipped I don't use advantech anymore. Painted a get couple years
@@kamonreynolds yeah exactly I think they changed the glue. My waxed dip advantech boards are falling apart too. They may last 3 yrs, bc they dont get as much contact from rain etc as the lids. My first advantech stuff lasted almost 6yrs.
Make a new video, the cat is distracting me :D
When you say paint the box are you saying paint with WAX or you saying to paint with exterior paint?