Women Rate Guys 1-10 (What Makes Men More/Less Attractive?)
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- In this video, women give men a rating 1-10 based on an initial number given along with a statement about him. Example: He's a 10, BUT.....he's not subscribed to the Courtney Ryan UA-cam channel? He's a 0 ;)
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You should do this same video with men “she’s a 10 but”
I’d be interested to see the questions and answers
can't because men's preferences are discrimination
@@ericv5435 and women aren’t ?
This whole video is discriminatory, having preferences, standards and the whole dating process is discriminatory.
@@adon3510 for her to be a 10, she has to be young,very attractive,respectful & untouched which is very rare nowadays😂
The thing is for men the number wouldn’t change. It would be like she’s still a 10 but I wouldn't date her because xyz
@@adon3510 you clearly don’t think highly of yourself do you?
A 9/10 that goes to EDM shows is automatically a 4/5 to me.
Have some standards.
"He's an 8 and he's immature."
As a middle aged person viewing this video, I didn't find any of the ladies interviewed as mature, in fact, quite immature. Their rationale with many things is quite relativistic, lacking foundational values, and judgements based in fickle emotions.
I’m 38 going on 39 years old and live with my parents and am not ashamed of it
@@PraveenSrJ01 Without any context, I've nothing to say honestly.
@@exothermal.sprocket definitely makes sense. Thank you though for briefly commenting 😀
Absolutely! Female chauvinism 101. Entitled spoiled brats living in some alternate reality. They'll eventually hit the wall at 40, and then still blame white males for their inadequacies and indiscretions. To be sure.
Don't sweat it brother! As long as your working towards a goal in mind, you will win in the end.
Verdict: Women wants everything
It's fascinating seeing 20-somethings, I.e. young people, and their theory of mind (or lack thereof). Not one of the people thought maybe the guy was taking care of his parents. They all just think it's a money thing or a job thing. It's adorable.
Yeah I started taking care of my Mom at 19. The amount of people who assumed I was freeloading was crazy. Not to mention, giving me unwarranted advice, about saving money. Like I wasn’t running a household and paying medical bills.
Because there's so many 20 something guys taking care of their parents. 93 people have liked the dumbest comment I've seen today. Adorable.
I laugh at these videos...
The most simple thing in life is not to give a Fock and do your own thing.
Instead spend the money on feeding Stray animals... you'll be blessed and you wouldn't even realise it
Yep that was me, I spent my entire 20’s financially supporting my mother and raising my brother and sister. It took up almost all my money, so even though I had a high paying job in software I was broke and mostly stayed home.
@@Jon0387 family before whores man,even if u die alone
Womans pretty timeframe: 18-29 after that it goes quick if she doesn't workout. Mens pretty timeframe 18-49
“I’m turning 24”. Lisa looks 32
I'm a 3 but I live at home with my parents at 30 but I'm not a freeloader. so I'm a negative number
I also live with my parents bro. I doubt many people will be able to get out 'cos housing prices are not sustainable. Plus the WEF says we'll own nothing and be happy.
Also the whole framing of “he’s an X but X” is such a weird theoretical because you’re saying that every single measurable facet apart from “he eats his sandwiches weird” holistically has a certain value. So any other consideration would be incredibly outweighed unless he bangs dead bodies or whatever.
Respecting a woman and supporting their passion is paramount and what have taught all my sons.
Im a 37 year old guy in California, every time i hear a girl saying "you need to have your own place" ....does not have her own place.... the only times ive been with a woman that has her own home or apartment, i date them for a while and slowly find out ....their parents are supporting her, or she is a trust-fund baby, or she inherited the home.....i hate these double-standards.
absolutely bro :) been there, done that
It's different for men and women. Women staying in the home is not as bad compared to a man staying home, because men and women are different.
bro they live in the cars their parents gave them, but want their man to have it all. These broke females need to get humbled quick fast and in a hurry
@@catholicfemininity2126 you’re just fueling the double standard, you’re part of the problem
Is this Flipper? Who briefly worked with me and Blake over near Dodger Stadium?
Hold on a second, did the $400k minimum salary girl say material things don't matter to her? Do you now see the BIG disconnect and why young men are fed up with dating? Thanks for the video Courtney!
I think the whole “what women say, and what women really feel are two different things” is clearly on display here.
Glad someone else caught that. I did a double take on that one
A rich 7 also now becomes a 2 for her because of work/life balance. No overtime needed for $400k/yr.
@@yzer yeah no OT for 400k a year lmao. I want that job too
Dim 😅
One thing we as Men need to learn is that Women always aim to say the "RIGHT" thing. Most Women are agreeable so they aren't going to say things that will cause a backlash or confrontation. What they say and what they feel doesn't align. They would give a nice guy a 10 just to seem like "good people" even though in real life, they're indifferent to those types of Men.
Agree so much with this. If you ever ask a woman for what kind of man she wants, look at her past relationship. They usually don't aline with what they actually want.
I don't really trust these kinds of videos since we can see there faces. Rather if they weren't in front of a camera we could very well have complete 180 different answers.
True
This is 💯 they often give playbook answers. One girl even gave one of them away over divorce. She said “if they say we didn’t get along” was the reason he got a divorce then that’s a red flag because in marriage you’re supposed to work things out. That’s often what women say for why their relationship failed. It’s also what my cheating ex told me why her marriage failed and what she tells other ppl for why our relationship failed. It’s a risk-averse answer that sounds better than the real answer.
The "chivalry" thing had me laughing, the "nice guy syndrome" is real and makes men go straight to friendzone or being used emotionally. Being respectful is the best, but no need to open every door and drag every chair unless you truly feel like doing it.
Also, not every person deserves this kind of treatment from the get go, they have to earn it, I'll open the doors and drag the chairs for my grandma who is awesome xD
@@alkisg362 I wonder how they would feel if a man ask for girl to be more "feminine " would they get mad? Most want to be a strong, proud, independent, women.
24 yo. girl demands a guy her age to live on his own (WITHOUT roommates) 😂😂 she literally made me crack up, some women are truly detached from reality
Right! That's the thing. Women don't care if he's a drug dealer or it's daddy's money. The will always stand by the finish line waiting for the winner. No different than Tinder. He must be over 6ft, built, big D, and a handsome face etc... Then, if and when they get pounded out by Chad and he ghosts. Now all men a-holes and players. When in reality, only about 1% have either the capability to bang several hot women at once.
All I see is all these women watch Porno
get your bread up little boy
shes 23, she said she will turn 24 haha. but lets be honest, she dresses like 30 lmao, so im not surprised
@@Kuerikami she looks and sounds like she 30.i wonder if she has got as much to offer as she demands from a guy
"Materialistic things don't matter to me."
"His Porsche takes him from a 5 to an 8."
5k followers are the same but 100k is +1 😂
You know they inow nothing about mechurements, $, % or LOGIC!
@@Myrslokstok i think she said 50k stays 5 but 100k boosts to 7
He is a 10 and most of his friends are girs. Ohh, did she forgot say that he gave him so low because she is jealous of his girl friends?
sure I have one :) but I like it for me, I like it how it takes me from 5 to 8 just for me. You should try.
@@wonigu She gave a 0 to a guy who is10/10 and unemployed. Do not trust her words. She is just angry she doesn't have a 10/10 guy.
I wasn't surprised to hear that these girls were very anti-social media for men, but I'd love to hear how many followers THEY each have. I hate to be cynical, but I smell a double standard, and I'd love to hear their justifications, and if they're willing to close SM accounts while dating a man.
women in general are a walking double standard
Because these types of girls need/enjoy the outside validation from socials and the confidence they portray is fake alot of times
Exactly, female double standard, you said it, right on, spot on, because these ladies want to bury a 2/10 guy with oral judgment but these same ladies don't have the initiative of taking out the life of a failed guy by gunshot to end the guys misery of shame and depression
This 👆
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing
Courtney - would it be possible to invite women over 30 for this kind of sessions? I appreciate those you have but it's nice to hear perspectives from older ones too. Being 24 or 34 year old woman is a big difference for how you view things.
THIS! Average women high standards usually balances around the 30 mark
Yeah those in their early to mid 20's don't seem to have a grasp on reality
these girls mostly strike me as teenager-mentality!~
hence girls not woemn
Agreed. I'd do these interviews.
How about women in their 40's? I bet the answers would change drastically.
Men gotta come with this same energy when dating women. Hold them to their own standards.
Haha If I started acting like most modern shallow women do bullying, body shaming and publically humiliating people as they do, usually for things they can't even help about your body, you would be cancelled within the first 5 seconds.
I might try even one single day acting like your average nasty penis size shaming, height obsessed entitled shallow women, just going around deeming this person of no value based on their penis size, and calling this person a loser for what they can't help about their body blah blah blah
Yeah that won't go down well with the white knight pansies and the feminist body positive woke hypocrites.
Are u a woman speaking for men or are u an actual Man?
“Men gotta come with this same energy”, huh? Wtf? U as a man want to act as if you’re a woman?
Why the fuck would u ever even think u should be anything other than a man? U think men should act like women?
Did u even think about what the hell u are saying or you’re way too into these fresh & fit internet guys that u think becoming womanly is the thing that’s gonna fix your inability to have a girl that ‘desires’ u?
@@rcmichellepittman1565 what do you bring to the table in a relationship
Definitely. Men should shit test & adopt some female hypergamy mechanisms. 😏
True but you guys be phucking everything that moves. Pick one.
I didn’t hear anybody ask if the guy living with his parents was caring for elderly parents. Even young people can have parents with health issues.
This one should be pinned
I also thought it was telling that nobody asked about the 2 kids " does he have custody and/or a good relationship with them..." Just based the changes on their own willingness to step-parent
Thank you. Taking care of my parents and keeping them healthy and happy is so high up on my priority list. When the day comes that I move on somewhere else, they will be either in my house or right next door so I can take care of them.
They don’t care dude 😂😂 you’d be wise to stop caring too ❤️
Thanks for pointing this out; I’m in my late 20’s but the only person around to take care of my grandma, so any woman who’s interested in me needs to be understanding about my choice to live with my elderly, diabetic and illiterate grandma
Growing up in an Asian household, I find it normal living at home with my parents at 28. I contribute fairly to the mortgage payment and have a close-knit family tie. Same goes for my fiance, she lives with her parents as well being 27. In addition to mortgage, we run other errands for folks and help them whenever they need a hand right away. We are both making decent money but we find it non-sense moving out just to gain little more privacy while having half of our normal monthly saving/investment go to renting category. We are getting married soon and will likely live with them for some more times to save up before we can buy our own house somewhere in Bay area. With all honesty, if you don’t just stay at your parents place and contribute nothing in return, you shouldn’t feel ashamed or compelled to move out (unless your folks kick you out lol) just to feel independent, you can practice that everywhere, in pretty much any setting. If someone asks, I’ll proudly say that yes, I still live in my parents home with my family happily at 28!
There are many cultures where that is normal. I would not have a problem with that Unless I really knew he was just taking advantage of their kindness....
Trust me your sensible and winning at life. Might be worth also considering investments and buying property to rent whilst at home.
Before I married my wife, I told her some requirements for me to take that step. One of them that in my culture, we don't kick the kids out when they turn 18. They can stay with us until they are ready to move out. So I don't have a problem with my kids staying home. I stayed at home until I moved out to get married at 22. And my mom was crying and didn't want me to move out.
@That's just My take I have to agree with you. I think if your kids aren't taking life seriously and their freeloading that is different however if they are sorting themselves out saving a bit on the side in preparation for their future if parents can afford it then support them. No need to pay someone else's mortgage for them.
I think some of these people have a weird idea of success and winning at life. It's not a sprint to independence. It's a slower race with decent plans. Also adults children who live with their parents longer when they could choose to leave often have better relationships with their parents.
Asian parents get into their child’s business a bit too much and I felt like I had to move out to realize who I truly am and what I value should not be influenced by their thought process. They’re coming from a bias of seeing things as middle aged folks who are well settled. They don’t know what 20 somethings should value in life
I promise you they're very few 24 year old's living on their own without roommates in California. The same girl that said she wanted a 24 year old to live on his own without roommates also said she likes to spend money. And that same man has to have a work/life balance?! That's not how it works.
There’s no nobility or pride to be had in making one’s landlord/slumlord rich.
Even while living @ home w/ parents, if they help out and do all the things they’d do if they had their own place, it’s pretty much the same thing.
Save your money for something that’ll give you an ROI!
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ADDENDUM: This is coming from an almost 48 yr old woman. Character & work ethic invested towards things people are willing to pay for will produce money, for the entrepreneurial set-just provide solutions to life’s problems, and there’s your wealth-creator, if you don’t want to work for someone.
Keep in mind that this sampling of women don’t represent “all” women. If you’re a “typical” guy who wants a “typical” woman, then maybe the responses from this video will be useful & instructive. If you know that the money will come, eventually, because you understand the potential of your long-range visions, ignore these women-they’re too conventional for you.
plus she looks way older than 24 lol
Who said anything about California? Ryan lives in Cleveland, and did one set of street interviews in Miami 🙄
trust me, even if they meet a guy who has that in his twenties, theyd still turn down a relationship because they wanna ride the CC. this entire video is cap
Agreed. And, I think that's probably the point They _want to_ be filtering out most guys
Lina is 24. Maybe a 5 (average) and likely also lives with her parents. So she would probably rate herself as a 2. See how this works people lol. Peyton and Ashley are solid and then you have Mansi who is the one has the most warping with her scores yikes. Guys what matters is that your confident and know your worth. If you are happy with yourself other people will see that and gravitate towards you naturally. Stay away from girls like Mansi and you'll find genuine girls like Peyton
All of them r the vid ngl .......
And she looks like 30+, total gаrbage. It's stuрid to make any demands in her position. Unlike Stella, would definitely smash.
There is literally BBC story about a homeless guy who talked to a girl on the park, married to her and started to go college to fix his life. LOL.
She’s definitely a solid 2
@@jordanxlongoria nah man that's too harsh. Middle of 10 is 5 making 5 plain Jane. She's average. But this is exactly what Wheatie waffles, Courtney Ryan, and Alexander Grace talk about... Hypocritical women who over value themselves yet would never be attracted to their reflection in guy form lmao
Women , children and animals are given unconditional Love. Men are loved on what they can provide. That's the message I got from these women.
we men build everything in the world and woman act like they are the ones who did it
You mean from Chris Rock?
It’s awful , makes the world feel empty knowing women are just looking for a provider .
@@charlesd3024 yes it's sad but it's something biological
Somebody gotta do the hard work to make the world go round and women and children don’t have the same abilities that grown men do
It's funny how women realize that if a man has to call himself an alpha male then he's not, yet they still feel the need to verbalize that they're a "strong independent woman" 🤦🏼♂️
Every woman claims to be "a Goddess" and that is praised, yet if a man calls himself an alpha he's a jerk.
people verbalize things about themselves all the time like on a dating app or on a date or just in daily life
I've never heard a man call himself an alpha male in my entire life. Lol.
No such thing as a strong&independent woman. No person is truly independent, we're born dependent and will always rely on tools made by people and methods taught by people, and men are physically mentally and sometimes emotionally stronger. So when a woman says strong&independent I shake my head laughing "whaaaaat"
You can thank modern feminism for that.
The answers of the women who love the fact a guy doesn''t have social media tells you a lot about how women see social media in general. They like how he has "no options" and "doesn't value likes" because those are the things SHE likes to have for herself. If you would ask any of them if they would delete their social media for a guy, I'm sure none of them would.
Yet there they are on multiple social media platforms. Talk out their asses
They don’t like competition
You’re absolutely right.
Nah. I think it's because it gives off that he's not into petty stuff and he's focused on more important things, and she's curious on what that thing, career is. However, that doesn't mean she's like that. Which is why they can care about likes, but we probably shouldn't. Yes, it's a double standard.
Yup!
Ashley seems to be the only sensible one. She has proper standards and doesn't let losers get a pass, but she also understands real life 👌🏻
bruh same. I was kinda diggin her ngl not just because shes attractive but her ideals felt compatible with mine.
high body count
She's lovely.
Well, I would be mad at her if she critizised that I am a childish 22-year old man.
Lina is pretty reasonable
You should have followed up on the 2 kids with "He's an 8 but says he doesn't wanna raise someone else's kids"
I bet we'd have had us some delicious hypocrisy then.
😂😂😂
Well yeah, that makes sense. These ratings are based on the individual person. Your expectations change when you're in a different situation in life. Or at least they should change.
Nice!
but these women are really young, I don't think they have children yet so they would give a different answer than if they are in that situation
@@NikolettaMuhari that only means they lack self-knowledge and foresight
It's a red flag to her for him not having social media? You know it used to be for networking and now it is for displaying a fake life so I guess that makes sense for women to think that is an issue because most women are plastic in person and online, which is why a lot of people value your channel, courtney, because you are authentic
Yea man I don’t have social media and my life is definitely better without it.
I only have LinkedIn and UA-cam as my social media. I have never had anything else that is social media related. I prefer it that way
I don’t mind when someone has social media at my age (24). I just don’t like when they constantly post and look for validation from others. I have IG and Snap still and will occasionally post on my story, but that’s about it. But if you’re posting or on social media all the time it’s a major 🚩
A girl would be gaining alot of point if she told me she has no social media (without lying). I'm someone who doesnt really use social media and people think I lie when I say that lol...
yeah i thought that was such a ridiculous way of thinking on that chick's part
1) Marriage is IPO for women
2) Divorce is cashing out.
3) Children produces passive income for women enforced by the government
Please…..40% of women are the bread runners of their family. Excluding the ultra rich and bad parents, single mothers use that money for taking care of their child. This isn’t the 1970’s anymore, meet single mothers and grow up.
.. this is a fun series… good idea… HOWEVER, they need to be hooked up to a lie detector … that would be some good sh#t…
The lie detector can't detect lies that they believe themselves.
women: women in front of a phone screen 24/7 is normal but video games for 4 hours is too much.
ill game till i die
hypocricy at it's finest.
And then they pretend like it's not about the video games, but about the hours...
Like 4 hours is too much.
What if i was 4 hours working out at the gym or playing football with the boys?
I bet she wouldn't mind it then.
As a game developer I loudly laughed.
4 hours are rookie numbers.
Bro, if you want som sex, obey the rules, no games!
I started my own business at age 29. So I moved back with my parents for a few years. I moved out when I was 34. If I didn't, it would have been much harder to get my business off the ground and pay my bills.
I moved back home at 27 right before getting my first six figure job and it’s crazy how ONE YEAR can change the entire outlook of your life when you spend that year working on yourself and saving money
idk why living with parents is such a big deal, maybe i's an american thing, here in italy the usual age people get married is at 30 for man and 32 for women, finding job even if u studied in a super good university with top marks is very hard because people don't want to hire but try to make u work for free by "paying" u with experience (they mean an all rounder slave) so if u manage to find a job and in the same/close place where your parents live is more advantageous to stay with your parents focus on your career and save the money to then spend them in actually buying your own house.
obviously the vast majority of people would prefer living by themself but looking at it in long term living with your parents it's more convenient
ikr my brother is 31 and still lives with the parents and there happy to have him.
well yeah, romania as well.
I think most of the countries from Europe are this way.
They are from US so maybe they can still have a decent life after paying the rent/mortgage but not where we are from
when you earn 500E and the rent is 200E (200 at best), yeah good luck.
I see both sides. I’ve personally just moved out and I’m 24. I spent all my years in college and first two years of my career staying at home and saved money. I’m now in a 2X2 apartment with my friend, so that helps. I’d never judge a girl my age if she still lives at home (being responsible and saving), but I’d say around 27-30 is when it would be a turn off.
A ton of cultures have it that way, and plus if you have older parents you kind of have to. My dad is 60 while I am 19, so it’s pretty likely that I won’t move out or won’t move terribly far since I’ll have to help take care of him.
It’s just an American thing. In America they think you should be kicked out and live on your own once you turn 18/19
Yes you should definitely do this with guys!!!
What’s a good Christian boy doing watching this??
Make a UA-cam reaction about this @Ruslan KD
Yes, we know. You love to belittle men
What ? You Ruslan ? 😂😂😂
@@storm2945 Lol you'd get cancelled for even doing a reaction video most likely.
You're not even allowed to call out this toxic behavior, unless its towards average to below average men of course lol
Stay single brothers
he's a 6 but he's a gentleman.
what the women say: 10
what they actually mean: 2
Facts lol
@@Black-ICE92 is there any proof that's facts
@@rustyblonchjr8660 yea the 2 women he asked out in the past 6 years were like that
I wish all men would stop believing that being a gentleman has any real value any more. If it ever did outside of fiction.
@@moleahy6880 the thing that's stumping me is you saying it has no value
like it seems like your saying this is universal no women values a gentleman
which I'm just like where's the proof for this how could you possibly know this unless you can read minds
Mansi said if a guy has more than 10 followers he's not on the "roster," but I just took a quick glance at her page and she has well over that. Isn't it important to hold yourself to the same standards? Also, the living at home thing is definitely relative, I lived in Western Europe for a bit and it was very common for people in their late 20s and early 30s to still live at home
Nah they don’t care lol they want us men held to a particular standard while they do whatever they want. Just avoid these types.
These women don't live in Europe.
Also the double standard of her having a “roster” but if you have over 10 followers then you lose value because that means you might have your own “roster” 💀🤣
Couldn't have said it better. It's also common in my culture for people to live with relatives. My aunt has lived alongside my parents even when my brother and I were kids. I don't see anything wrong with this sort of living situation of living with relatives or even siblings
@@IndyMotoRider Doesn't mean we can't be open-minded and accepting how things are in other cultures. Just like other countries, the US is a melding pot of numerous cultures. The problem is that many Americans don't know $hit about other countries like where they're located, let alone anything about the culture, nor do Americans even seem to care. In the event of meeting someone from abroad, this knowledge becomes useful to not only simplify mutual understanding and respect, but also to broaden the dating pool instead of limiting oneself to those of the same cultural group. Adding to the OP's comment, in my culture, it's normal for relatives to share a living space as we tend to have large families and we realize that, due to an ever increasing human population, there are not enough spaces for everyone to be living alone. Eventually we'll need to start sharing because houses and apartments don't just appear out of nowhere
Your channel is very interesting for social anthropology on American Woman and shows how many issues this society is struggle with
So what I'm hearing...to find a woman, a guy needs to...
Have his own place,
Drive a Porsche 911 worth at least $200k,
Have at least 50k followers OR no social media,
Never married,
No kids,
Have all guy friends,
Never play video games,
and just listen to her talk.
Not really. Just need good looks and game
The last two turn me off
Did you watch the video? The girls said video games aren't a problem in moderation. Four hours a day is way too much.
that's what they say they want, I could also create a wish list of demands.
@@anthony9013 Money beats good looks and game any day.
“He doesn’t have social media.”
“12! He isn’t looking for anything, there’s no other options out there…”
I like how she sounds EXACTLY like a controlling manosphere weirdo.
He's a 10, BUT.....he's not subscribed to the Courtney Ryan UA-cam channel? He's a 9000
29:32 if ur a 6 and gentelman ur a BIG 0 in the friendzone don't fall in the trap
Speaking of weirdos…
let's see what happens when I start cold approach girls, letting them know I deleted all my social media
@@AdamNickProd a super Saiyan 👍🤣🤣🤣🤣
That whole "he is a gentlement, he is a 10" portion was BS. Let's be honest, most of the guys that are a 5-6 and would treat them that way, these girls wouldn't even give him a second glance in the first place.
are you saying this is universal
There’s truth to this. With dating apps being the new norm for how people meet each other, a guy that is a 5 or a 6 is dead on arrival regardless of whether or not he’s a gentleman.
@@kirkules330 yeah I would assume there's some truth to a lot of things but you can't call it bullshit unless what your saying is universal or unless you got some proof that they're bullshiting
@@rustyblonchjr8660 I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make here. Universal suggests that 100 percent of all people in a group act in an identical way to one another and obviously that’s not the case for anything that exists on this planet. I feel like you’re being pedantic for the sake of being pedantic.
Amen. Spot on.
this was fun to watch until the end.. "hes a 6 but hes a gentleman." this was me for the longest time and it has only put me in the friend zone with every girl i wanted to persure a relationship with.
Big difference between being a gentleman and being a "nice guy". Check out the book No More Mr. Nice Guy to learn the difference.
This is hard, to me being a gentleman is being a simp and they don't like simps. This is fucked up.
Lesson here is stop giving a fk what they think. Your validation is to come internally, what some floozy thinks of you shouldn't matter if your self improvement game is persistent and consistent
Agree. It's sad but these days the best thing a man can do is to stay away from dating and use that time and money for self improvement. Way better spent
For real Fk dating n shit.... Spend money on Dogs and Cats or feed some poor Strays and you'll be blessed
_Instead of spending on Betches_
Most underrated comment of the year.
💯
But what you, don’t get is that most guys have low self-esteem too and they will date anyone just to feel important (social status, of having a girlfriend).
This should be good. He is an 8 but has …
Not bought greg doucettes cooking book…
Didn't expect to see Greg here 👀
Oh, I see you are a man of culture as well
I found you Greg I want to make video on this 😂
Guys take it from a real woman..if u are allowing a woman to tell u how to be a man..u already lost. A woman, this woman, can only control a soft emotional man..a man that's like her. A real man, is not about to listen to some random chic tell him how he should be acting. Every guy that compliments this woman is weak as f.
“A red flag if he doesn’t have social media.” My god, delusional 😂😂😂
If a person doesn't have social media, it's says that the person is not high maintenance which is good
Delusional is always real with Women.
I think it’s about social proof/social status
Yeah! Are women seriously not going to go out with a guy just because they DON’T have social media? I don’t have social media and yet I don’t judge a girl just because of their internet connections with people.
@@blurrcs15 It's the opposite. They rated guys higher on the 1- 10 scale for not having social media.
This is a rare scenario but it would have been worth asking with the first question " he's an 8 and still lives with his parents BUT he pays the majority to all the bills? " Would be interested if that changes the score at all.
Funny. That’s the scenario I’m going through right now.
At that point it’s more like his parents live with him
Good point. I just saw John Rich on TV the other day. He bought his grandparents a house and lives with them. I'm sure he does fine with the ladies.
Not to mention, many people lost their jobs (even folk with Ph.D) because of the SCAMDEMIC.
Many went bankrupt or homeless even.
Are their heads in the sand?
Do you pay all of your bills or 70%?
If you are below 50% no sex for you
Haha these woman try to make men feel what they do will never be good enough for woman.I say better off single than ending up with such woman.👊
What if your parents live with you? Or if you simply have a family home.
If you're from a culture of caring/living with the family by choice, it's normal and not a sign of dependency. Split families and 'retirement homes' are a very western and modern concept.
Context is important, as many of the women stated.
Yup
Living with parents is bad. No matter where. Unless you're an indian or paki. Which you wont meet any of these girls anyway
eroding community and family (which is where community starts) is the intention of the domesticating aristocracy that uses authoritarian systems (religion, school, gov't, medical) to make people dependent up on the nanny state rather than sovereign and autonomous among themselves
It would be also interesting to see same questions asked to women in their 30s and 40s to see the difference in answers, if any.
I agree. Id like to see older people answer these questions.
Surprise surprise, they'll be the same " If he's older than me and doesn't have X he's a loser".
No way the first one is 24. She's 44. bet.
0:25 How the hell do you expect an 8 year old to not live with his parents?
You can't please these women. They're living on another planet.
😂😂
Agree
*you* can’t. Don’t lay your inadequacies on others.
Absolutely!!!!
AGREED!!! THEY'RE ALL ALIENS, LOL!!!
Ultimately you have to keep your standards consistent and have the same standards for others as you have for yourself. You should not downgrade a person for qualities you personally have.
Agreed!
@@CourtneyRyan I'll be in the male version of this video of you want ! @jsmittywhorunsdacity
Agree. Now let see those girls social media accounts when it comes to followers and the amount of time they spend on there phone daily. You know, to keep it consistent.
There are plenty of people driving very nice cars that are 3 months behind on payments and about to be repo’d.
Almost all of these criteria and shallow. No wonder dating is impossible today.
Where I live the average house price is equivalent to about half a million dollars, you do not find many people under 35 or even 40 with their own house. lol
Ashley (the second one) is absolutely perfect. Perfect personality, rationality, super cute, and just seems like an incredibly well put together person. Seems like a huge family girl which is important to me too. Mansi- didn’t vibe with her at all. Everyone else seemed pretty cookie cutter- didn’t really get a a good sense of their personality.
Sure, but Ashley should treat me nicely if I initiated a conversation with her! I am 22 and a bit childish. I dislike that women do not like funny guys.
@@ManuelPersona24Women like funny guys. Maybe you're not as funny as you think you are. Plus, you kinda sound like an incel, stop that.
@@ManuelPersona24 yeah, they say they don't like "immature" guys but if you're serious, they will say you're creep. There is so fine line between immature and funny.
I am so glad I stumbled upon this video. These responses are truly scary and reinforce my extreme hesitation to engage in dating or seek a relationship at the moment. There seems to be zero effort for compromise, no intention of understanding other people's hobbies, no intention of learning something new from a potential partner, and an extremely narcissistic, materialistic, and shallow behavior from these young women. However, it would have been educational to also have the perspective of more mature, grown up, well established women (professionals in their early 30s perhaps).
you are right, they are absolutely delusional because they are only on their 20's. Life starts hitting harder in a few years and they will start changing their views as well :D
@@masterkraft4746 love to hear them answer the work/balance question again after Corporate America stops on their dreams
No wonder you are still single. Frustrated?! Let the women express their opiniona as men do. They have the right to want what they want as men express they want.
Is why I never got into a relationship.And,at nearly 68 years old,still refuse to. It's all B.S.
As a 28 year old that lives at home because of a breakup during the apartment searching process, I appreciate Stella and Ashley's answers. I still could've moved out after the split, but I never would've been able to get ahead financially so I had to put my frustration to the side and accept that a better future is worth more than having my own living space right now. The other answers were incredibly shallow and judgmental and I wouldn't give people like that an ounce of energy.
Good for you man. I move out just this year as a 27 (about to be 28) it better in the long to think of yourself first. Girls can wait
@@raptortown That’s awesome man, I’m super happy for you! Appreciate your support and you’re right, self-improvement makes everything else fall into place.
There's nothing wrong living at home. It may matter if you're 50 but apart from that.
I'm 26 and still live at home because I am saving money for a house. Why would I waste my money on rent when I could just save up, build my credit and get a house and pay the same amount every month on a mortgage instead?
@@ripetika1743 Andrew Tate would disagree with you on that? lol
*hes a 0 but is a billionaire.*
*100*
"He's an 8, because I call myself an alpha female" I literally bust out laughing, that was a perfect response.
I hate when anyone gives themselves a title. Arrogance
An alpha female wouldn’t rate people. They don’t judge based on nothing.
Biggest egos colliding
What is an alpha female exactly?
@@SystematicMechanic It's an illusion created by Communists, a tool to destroy the USA family, that's what it is.
You should do this but with guys
Agreed
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UA-cam will demonetize her if she did
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In reality they’ll put up with anything as long as they find him physicaly/mentally attractive or he is able to make himself attractive.
This video is great proof that the human brain doesn’t fully develop till 25
so do you think if they were 25 they wouldn't have said what they said
@@rustyblonchjr8660 some would have more perspective by then, some wouldn’t
when under 25*. You don't know who they will be in their 30s
I was 23 right after college and moved back in with my mom, but it was mainly because my dad had passed away of a heart attack the year before. I wanted to be there for her and I also wanted a familiar space to grieve. I got an engineering job right after college too and I used the money saved from living at home to get a head start on paying off my student loans. I only lived at home for 20 months. By that time my mom had met someone else and they had been dating (they're happily married now).
Like the girls were saying, it really depends on the reasons you're living at home. I was willing to pay rent but my mom said I only had to pay half the utilities and groceries. Also I definitely felt the need for my own space once she started dating someone else.
Sorry to hear about you dad but glad everything worked out. Any normal person would understand/empathize with this sort of situation.
I’m really sorry about your dad. It would be exponentially hard on my life if I lost my dad but life would eventually go on so I make him proud 🥲
I am sorry to hear that. And living with your parents at 23 is completely normal. It's normal to live with your parents when you are young. Most people move out at 27 or after 27, so it's 100% acceptable to live with parents during your early and mid 20s. It's the norm. Who cares what anyone says
Owning a porshe doesn't mean he bought it.
How many 24 year olds can afford to move out when rent in most large cities is 2k+ for one bedroom and most jobs without a degree pays less than 20/hour. Forget about going to school, having a car, buying food, children.
Be born rich or be single
Live out side the big cities.
@@SystematicMechanic I have my own house, but for people under 30 it doesn't make sense.
I live with my parents by choice, I have an amazing relationship with them and as a single person there is no reason to live alone and waste money/time, I don't know why is that considered a bad thing because I'm 100% willing to move if I start a serious relationship.
Women want to see that a man can be independent. There will always be assumptions made if a guy is living with mommy and daddy past a certain age regardless of circumstances
@@johnnythekid4601 It's mainly a Western thing, in Collectivist culture in the East, the children usually stays with the parents until they get married off
@@johnnythekid4601 There are men who live at home who are 100 times more responsible than men who live alone. Plus, since when is caring for your elderly parents a "bad thing"?
@@Sagefrakrobatik in most of europe people cant afford to buy a house even if they want to with a normal job
About the early 1990s, Barbara Walters did something similar to this on a ABC news program, but the ratings that short men encounter with women. Many women were unfathomably odd, in that because one guy was presented as a convict, but was tall, he was rated high, but a short doctor was rated low.
i remember , your right. these women are seeing all these theoretical men as 6 foot tall. if your 5 foot 7 many 5 foot 8 your out with these women
Most would take a tall murderer over a short humanitarian.
You should read the self experiment _"Modern Women Will Hook-Up With Child Molesters and Nazis As Long as they’re Good Looking"_
Ok, here's what I find insanely ironic. If a guy spends 4 hours doing something he enjoys it's an issue, but if she spends 4 hours a day on her looks, which she definitely doesn't enjoy doing but feels compelled to do then that's fine. I can't make that compute.
I would like to see how many hours do these girls spend on there phones? Or see there social media accounts when it comes to followers.
Can't help but smell hypocrisy 😒
I agree. Even to the girl thats nosy knowing how the dude divorced from his wife is a big red flag. That's nobody business to know.
Great point. I think that goes a lot into transgenerational and contemporary gender role confusions and dilemmas. Very interesting stuff indeed. Lots of variables, culture, life experiences, personality, upbringing, compatibility, quality of communication, mental health, maturity, etc. Feeling happy that you know your partner knows that you know they know you are happy is really priceless. hahaha
Agree. With regards to gaming, admittedly I do it but it's just one of my hobbies. Let's consider the fact that there are numerous gamer girls on youtube and twitch. It's not just guys doing it, and just because none of these women are gamers doesn't mean others are not. Let's also consider how large the market is and how many companies spend lots of time and hard work for us consumers to enjoy the game. There are people whose jobs literally are to play test games to report errors, helping to fine tune the final product
Spending 4 hours a day on your looks usually implies exercise, skincare, productive stuff that makes you healthier.
Playing videogames 4 hours a day is too much and all you do is sit on your ass for 4 hours, come on, I like videogames but I limit my playtime to two hours a day max, it is not comparable at all.
I never heard about ranking people 1-10 before moving to USA. I also did not know that there is dating and exclusive dating. I thought that you should only be seeing one person at the time. So much to learn :)
Don't learn this shit. It's not good for you. Both of these things are terrible ways to think about dating.
That’s because North Americans only know how to count to 10
I absolutely and utterly despise this 1-10 ranking system. It infuriates me when I overhear people using it. You can't numerically grade someone's appearance like it's a test score , let alone every other aspect of who they are.
He’s a 7 but divorced…
Without knowing the actual context, you shouldn’t hold that against any man. Women file 80%+ of divorces so he doesn’t really have a choice in the matter 🤷♂️
What really matters in this situation is how he recovered & does he still allow that past event to affect him in the present/future
Dang, is it up to 80 percent now?
But it makes sense because if a guy goes through divorce once, he's usually smart enough not to get married again. He's not an easy prey, so his value goes down.
90% of the men in these comment sections let the past affect them
@@MrCjchamp2001 if it’s divorce specifically then that’s a justified reason. If most men lose in divorce why get married again?
@@MrCjchamp2001 hence the 2nd paragraph on my comment, a 1st date usually shows if they are recovered or holding on to the past.
“Materialistic things don’t matter to me that much” then she bumps him up from a 5 to an 8 lmaoooo. Bruh I swear I don’t think these ladies have any clue how they sound sometimes. IMO most of the these types should straight up be avoided. As a man, find God and go find you a woman who also has a strong relationship with God. It’s your best chance at an optimal relationship. Plus look at divorce statistics, secular women get divorced more frequently and at higher rates. If you’re still out here dating dealing with ungodly materialistic secular wicked types you will never find happiness. They will always find a reason to nitpick at your life and compare you to their friend’s relationship and so on. They use astrology to guide their life decisions they listen to celebrities for advice, just nah bro not for me.
Friends..please keep your value Up.
WE will not be rated !
.women change around 40 and look very old around 50..even with fake boobs and facial procedures....
many women in usa are overweight !
also marriage rate is down...because of Abuse of Men/divorce laws
keep healthy/ diet/exercise ...You will find plenty of good women .
1:10 she's 24?! felt like 34..
same. looks like she had some work done too
She got the voice of a 50 year old as well.
@@tangbein too much smoking/sucking you-know-what
My guess was 38-42. That's not a knock on her either.
she ages bad...going to be a big disadvantage in the near future. men like younger girls
One thing to ask myself is "If I found a person that's exactly like me, would I like myself?" What I got from this video is that women want a responsible, honest, and decicated guy that cares for himself and others. They basically want a well balanced cup of Joe, and not a watered down cup of Gabe.
Yes, that’s indeed what they say... problem is most women don’t live based on their logic, they are fully guided by their emotions.
@@williamwallace410 I kinda need more emotional intelligence for myself so... Idk. I'll have to get myself a well balanced girl.
These women just want a James Bond....
These numbskulls don't even know real life...but have 65000 expectations from others
Real women are way different.
Wow! The double standard for the first question is astounding. And hypocritical since more than one of them live at home too. I guarantee if Brad Pitt was the one who lived at home, he'd be a 10 or above.
These girls do realize that this video is broadcast on SOCIAL MEDIA, right? I also find it amusing that the only information they got about one guy was that he was a 9 and didn't have social media. And two of them wanted to get married immediately. I literally just watched a video where these same women said looks weren't as important as honesty, and humor and manners etc... Another outright lie.
This is a cool idea.
I’d kinda like to see the roles reversed and asking guys the same questions
I kinda played this game with a friend of mine (girl) which I liked in the past. She is 24, never had a job and has super high standards for men (has a thing for 'bad boys' from bad Netflix TV shows). We discussed a mutual friend and how he always treats his girlfriend very gently. Mind that the dude is 30 years old, never had a gf until now and is not particularly good looking. And that one girl was saying to me that's what she considers a real man. Obviously, she was lying and she knew she was lying but wanted to appear virtuous (like some of the girls in the video) because when I asked her if she would ever date a guy like our mutual friend she simply shut her mouth and started being aggressive.
Women are looking for the "real person: does the man have a heart, believe in a higher power. Now, it's almost impossible to ask a women out. Many women do not trust men, have had bad experience with men in the past, which transience to the next relationship. Many women that are attractive, and know they are attractive "play the well he "looks good, sounds good, has good manners. One wrong move, the women (not all of them) I think I want see that "guy" I see's this in American society now ( a lot of superficial bullshit happens too) Many women play their game, because that's "all they know" "They know nothing else, women like to "play" with men. Many women are superficial, toxic, think that they are the world with their looks, and men "play on it" Some women treat men as "shit" again it's not the women"s fault, it's the way they grew up (upbringing, major for women) If a women was raised with abusive parents, your going to see that in a relationship! (for sure) Alot of men do not being with attractive women, because they use their looks to manipulate you, year their nice to look at. Most women know the men's "tricks" before they do "anything" Alot of women are use their minds to mess with guys minds. It should be Win-win, that's not always the case. Alot of times it's win-lose, lose-win. Alot of women are "in-sensitive" towards men (depends on how they grew up) Many women have this "princess-world" of looking for they "right guy" many women destroy men's presence.
All my Introverts, Gamers, and movie/Anime lovers feeling this one. But would you prefer four hours of doing all these or going out and party for 4 hours or more at the club?
I would rather be with a 5 that’s into video games as much as me than a 7+ of these variety
@@ViPER5RT10 man f*ck this numbers crap.
Clubs are a waste of time energy money and braincells. I'll take my games tyvm. More fun, cost's less, and I don't have to listen to inane rabble from 304's like the one's in this vid.
Why are video games and the club the only two options?
@@Mere...Greene it's both things brought up in the video. And used to compare introverted things and extroverted things.
The more physically alluring you are as a man, the more grace your awarded for interpersonal mistakes and hiccups.
The more grace you're awarded for everything in life, dating happens to be the most obvious thing. When dudes will realize that lifting weights and getting plastic surgery will change their lives much more than any 100k college diploma ever will, life will get better for society as a whole
How shallow and hypocritical these people are. I live home and that's ok but you better live on your own. Social media shouldn't control your life and decisions. I stayed away from women like this when I was in my 20s. Pathetic.
Heh - "He's a 9 and he constantly talks about himself." 100% that for every one of these women, they are their #1 topic of conversation with every man they date. But they have no problem immediately recognizing how unattractive this is when men do it.
I think women fail to realize that men feel exactly the same way, but will tolerate it - even act like it doesn't make us want to poke out our ears with the nearest eating utensil - because we are hoping that listening like we are interested will improve our odds of taking you home, or going back to your place. Once we realize that the girl we are out with is this self-absorbed, we loae interest in getting to know you more, and immediately, unconsciously even, switch to act-however-you-need-to-in-order-to-get-her-to-smash mode.
Yup. A lot of this women are narcs
Yessss. Like there are so many girls that act like bitches, but expect guys to be invested in them as a long term relationship material. Like I wouldn't want to date a woman that only talks about herself, dresses like a slut, and expects guys to have all these qualities that she herself does not have. No guy would want to date a person that is so egoistical and self unaware. On the other hand she might have the looks of a 7,8/10, and like I'm not going to bullshit anybody, I still do want to fuck her (because fundamentally I'm an animal). I definitely feel like there is a split for me as to how I would act around a girl like this and a genuinely kind girl. One I talk to only out of lust, the other out of love. One I want to just "use", the other I want to feel good, do nice gestures to her, be kind to her, make her happy, and if it comes to that make love with her.
Ya. Na. Nope. My life is WAY to short to suffer a fool for pussy. I won’t be doing that. First off, the flesh light feels 98% like a real vagina and doesn’t talk at all, always there and no dates. Secondly, when you meet the right woman who has it all right you would be insulted that you suffered so many hoists and money loss on annoying, vapid women. Don’t do it.
You ever heard Toby Keith's song "I wanna talk about me"? That's what he is referring to--having a TWO-WAY conversation. MUTUAL interest. NOT just ONE person doing a monologue.Narcissist-style.
I do agree with them in the alpha male thing, thats kinda corny, you are not supposed to call yourself an alpha... but one thing ,to the girl with the white tank top : there is NO such thing as an aLpHa fEmALe , thats like saying 2+2=5
the girl that said she's an alpha female is an instant 1 because of that cringe
Most girls don’t call out their own hypocrisy so I’ll give her a point for that lol
It was the only red flag she gave. It doesn't instanly make her a 1 from a 9 (she would get a 10 from me if she had larger boobs, although you can fix that with money).
See this videos are misleading because DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT WOMEN SAY, WATCH WHAT THEY DO !
All this ranking system in America is creepy.
I would want only distance from all this woman at very least.
So much things between the lines, between the questions, that they went along. Toxic. All of them.
When my ex wasn't working, she was sitting on the couch either scrolling through her phone, or watching tv. No motivation to get outside, no interest in being active, no interest in developing any hobbies or outside interests,and having little to no problem with being like that.
I have never been with anyone like that before, and was surprised how quickly I lost interest in her because of that.
That’s every chick
@@phinsmagic Like for real. Where are the women with hobbies ?
@@fluktuition Lol women with hobbies hahaha
Most modern womens hobbies are sleeping around at nightclubs and penis size shaming men to their friends the next day.
These women don't have hobbies or interests, out with penis size and sleeping with "alpha chads".
The girl with the multi-colored shirt is 23?! Wtf?! She has lines and crow's feet already. She looks about 10 years older.
What people say to hypothetical situations and what they do in life are often quite different. However, the follow up questions and responses were interesting and quite revealing. Good job Courtney!
Love these types of videos cause it really gives you a look into the double standards. The one that really showed this was where the guy has alot of friends who are girls. If a guy were to say that a girl having alot of guy friends lowers her number they are "insecure" but, if a man has alot of friends who are girls then he might be cheating. Also liked the social media one, wondering if the girls would shut off their social media when in a relationship, especially Instagram (i.e. the world's biggest dating app)
Answer to your last question, in a word...NO.
I don’t mind double standards personally. We’re different. Like I would never want a girl who’d cheat on me, but as a 9 making 500k/year I’m entitled to see other women
35 here. I took over my dads bills and house payments after he passed. My mom lives with me. It’s not like I can kick her out. So yeah. I live with mom. Is that bad?
I have known both men and women who moved back home after graduating from college to pay off their student loans before living on their own. While they were home, their dating experiences were vastly different, even though all of these persons were employed. When the women would tell their dates that they were home to pay off student loans, the men they dated thought that was a good idea. When the men told their dates that they were living at home for the same reason, the attitudes of some of the women became negative, even after explaining that this was a temporary situation.
Yeah they’re ghastly hypocrites. One reason could be it’s they get take advantage of the bachelor’ pad.
One thing I learned is that
1.) what they say and do are completely different.
2.) Fuck it I’ll stay alone and lonely.
I believe that the only ones who have every right in the world to ask for these "requirements" or say that he is a "10" are traditional virgin women (the percentage of virgin women in past generations was higher than now), perhaps Maybe you're going to tell me "you're coming with religion" or "that's over, virginity doesn't define a woman" I think you're forgetting, or you don't know that the most important thing virginity showed was total loyalty to a man that not even she had met, do you know how strong the bond was between them? Difficult women who protected themselves in any way, and that is why they asked for a man with high standards, because they did not trust a man who was not going to give them stability in a family, and I do not blame the current woman for demanding these " requirements" because they come from a tradition of centuries, which will not be removed from one day to the next. especially in these difficult times when sex is so materialized, and that is why I could even accept that a traditional virgin woman will look for that man who is within the small percentage that the current woman wants. How is it possible that they want a man with high standards if they lose their most precious "trust", perhaps you may ask me, but what's wrong with a woman losing her virginity in these times? well, you're living it. it is impossible and contradictory that they are modern women and are asking for requirements just like a traditional woman.
I'm 44 and living with my father, however I am his legal caretaker - he had a lung transplant a year ago and he is 74. I'm working hard on my career but family is important. That being said, dating is more difficult in this situation.
Kings, moved out of my mom’s at 19, started my career at 20, bought my first home in CA at 23, proposed at 25, I’d honestly rate myself off looks between 6-7, down to earth guy, humble, ambitious, frequently traveled with my fiancé but it still wasn’t enough for her thanks to comparing our lives to the lives seen on Instagram, the attention of guys from all over on Instagram, etc, etc. If your partner prioritizes social media over your relationship that’s a huge red flag. My point is sometimes you can give someone the world and it still will not be enough. I say this so you know your worth, you are valuable, you are actually dedicating yourself to make things work and make someone happy. You are not the issue. Do not blame yourself, accept that you are enough but won’t be for the wrong person. Stay strong gents 🙏🏽
Yea man, this is an epiphany I had just recently. The black pill is setting guys back to worry so much about their looks to attract women. Looks today are starting to be like having a lot of money, how would you know if the girl is truly loyal to you cause of you and not due to her finding you attractive/very attractive
Damn, I respect being so open. I’m sorry to hear that about your situation, but ultimately you are on the right track. Never settle for anything less than your worth
Yeah sure you're very down to earth😂🤦♂️
This just depresses young men. You seem to had everything work out perfect for you but others are born with more obstacles to overcome and need more help.
Yep, happened to me. She was not happy because everything on SM said she wasn't living the best life. No money probs, no infidelity, no abuse. She got bored and bounced. I'm better off, I know that now!
Lol, 6 to 10 for being a gentleman. What a joke, don't fall for the scam fellas. What she really means is 6 to 10 = 6 to10 figures net worth. They always say a gentleman is everything, but in reality, nothing could be further from the truth. Buy dinner, open the door, pull out the chair, walk on the curbside, you get put in the "I got this guy whipped already, now where's a challenge" category. And if you don't make at least as much or more than they do, expect to get ghosted or friendzoned immediately. Act like you don't care if they come or go....they're dying for your call....
They spend 10 hours a day on social media but you can’t have a hobby
When the 24 year olds are basically telling a 23 year old that just finished grad school that they’ll rate me lower cause I still live at home. That’s great to hear! #sarcasm
24, living at home, would dock his score, but she lives at home. WHAT 😆 Ladies.. really??