Would I ever return to the Twelve Tribes?
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- Oh man! I was fully immersed in the Twelve Tribes cult for 8 years!
I'm so dang glad I'm out! Here are the top 6 reasons why I would NEVER even consider going back to join. There is far too much control and far too little autonomy for me to ever consider going back. This video gives 6 specific reasons (among many) that I would never return to the Twelve Tribes.
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Enjoying your videos. Our stories are strikingly similar. As a single brother for ten years, the community worked me to exhaustion. I was a zombie from lack of sleep. I never had time to even trim my nails for 6 months at a time.
Yeah. Single brothers got it hard! Literally no time for yourself. That ain't normal, and it DEFINITELY isn't healthy!
Hi Jilly! I’m doing a mini deep dive on the 12 tribes specially associated with the Appalachian trail. Your videos are very informative! Thank you
Glad you got some value! Thanks and guard yourself on your investigation 👍
In cult:1. No Freedom Of Choice
2. Mind Control
3. Sever Relationships On Outside
4. Strict Control/Harsh Style Raising Children
5. Never Think "About Self" And Always About Others
6. No Spiritual Autonomy
yes, and no outside influence like music, media, education... 👍
Thank you SO MUCH for taking time to share your experience & thought process. I was in a cult. Joined/ recruited @ 25yo. The silver lining to such a terrible experience? I can spot a cult much easier nowadays, I know to trust my intellect/ instincts now, etc.
yea for sure! There's a lot if programming going on around us everywhere. Even easier to spot in people too. And we learned some valuable skills too, eh? Glad my vids can help❤️
Beautiful testimony to your growth and freedom, Jillian. love you, Nora
Ahhh. You too sweet friend 😘
Hey Jillian it's Brian!
Thank you for doing these videos as it is so important for people to see past the facade. As you know I even considered joining every now and then and supported your choice to join. Anyhow these are very valuable videos to many people! ❤️
Thanks Brian!😁
I appreciate your appreciation. That's what I'm going for, nice to let people know what is going on! Cheers brother 👍
Thanks for sharing!!
A friend left and his wife and his children stayed in the group. I would like to go and speak to her if that door opens (She doesn’t know me). Any suggestions of how to approach her? I am not expecting her to leave with me, but if I could plant some seeds to have her ponder…? Thank you!
Hmmm. a tricky situation. I would be very careful. I'm sure she has very clear instructions about the situation, perhaps was told to not talk to him etc ... So if you come out strong you'll probably be rejected. Have him write a letter you can give to her? Remember their beliefs go far past relationships, and I'm sure it's not easy for her or the children. Be gentle, plan your approach, and plant seeds of love. not guilt, pressure,etc. That's a hard situation for everyone. Lemme know how it goes if it happens 🙏🏽
No playing with toys for the children? That's brain and creative stimulation. What do the children do if they can't play? That's an extremely important part of human development.
I agree!! They work alongside their parents. And are trained to obey on the first command 😐.
They use the children as free labor. Ex-members say they remember being put to work at the age of 5. Alone. No supervision. The cult has lost contracts with corporations due to this practice.
@@jillybeenz8699 that is heartbreaking 💔
@@danielletaylor9733 Wherever there's heartbreak there's an opportunity for newness 😁. It just takes time and hope 👍
I left a different bible based cult back in 2011 ish. I still struggle calling it a cult, and I remember reason #1 being huge. If you want to go to college? ask an elder. You want to buy a truck? ask an elder. Want to talk to your parents that don't really agree? talk to an elder. etc etc.
You would make a great councilor for other young people and guide them to be independent. You seem just great now! What did you mean regarding freak accidents?
I definitely have plenty of struggles 😃
But at least I can learn my way and not feel pressured to be any other way! I appreciate your words. Yes, I am available to help, although I'm still learning myself!
Freak accidents...When i was in the group "rumor had it" that several people who had left died suddenly in strange ways. I don't remember anything specific, nor would I share as it's all rumor. I think these things were passed around to instill fear of leaving. Like we would be judged. Out of "our father's" hands.
Speaking of accidents, do you know anything about the fires started on their property in Boulder and also in Fort Myers, FL?
aww. i really appreciate that 😊. Freak accidents? Yeah, I'm not gonna go into that. Some if it's hear say, sone things really happened, but i just don't know enough to pass anything on. All the best to you ☺️
no comment. 😶
I recently had dinner with the 12 tribes group in Manitou Springs Colorado, they run the mate factor restaurant there. They were interesting 🤔. They seemed to love Yahweh, just didn't talk about Jesus. I thought leaving our mediator out of the conversation and the songs we sang was a bit startling, for me. Left me questioning.....strange to stumble upon this video. Seems He is bringing all things to light.
They use to pass out flyers at dead shows... Told them it is good bathroom marital....lol f em glad you are out and safe... Peace
First thing I was taught in lot years ago was stay away from the brown bus or whatever color it is now..
@@ahutch3835 ya there a little off.. going from GD shows to festival currently what I've heard but it just shouldn't get ya down just walk away... Good job jillybean.. much love... And be safe.. you to Hutch...l&R
it's marroon 😂
But yes. The material is quite influencial and can touch the void in people. They have ways to rope people in. It's just not the whole story they tell. I don't know if they go out nowadays, but there's many ways they "evangelize", used to go out often to shows and events to grab people's attention. The goal is to find "lost sheep". But people don't need all the answers from people claiming to know God, they need to find God within and find the source that exists within us all ☺️
*in my opinion ☺️
Don't know if they go out still, but it wouldn't surprise me. I went on a few evangelical missions with them, as i believed in the cause and just wanted to help "save" people. Geez, what a trip!
@@jackrussell108 I vended god's at festivals from 2010 until the pandemic. They are at the larger festivals and some Phish and Dead shows still.
Where did you join,in which state ans town so so gladvyou got out!!!yes you speak to your children because you love them so why wouldn't God speak to you!!
Hi Jilly it's Tony aka Nathanael great videos I need to learn how to do a UA-cam channel too maybe it would help me to heal
I also respect those that chose to stay in it
They are very inflexible, trapped in the intellect. Like they have a fixed image of what they "should" look like but divorced from the spiritual reality of what faith could/would organically produce. I expected that the group would grow exponentially but I think they died on the vine, choosing the safety of rules instead of actually relying on the Holy Spirit.
Hiding in the comfort of a fixed set of beliefs that choke out the life that should have spontaneously occurred. An over reliance on marketing to replenish the high turnover, instead of growing exponentially as a living organic spiritual movement.
Yes. I've heard things have changed in the last decades. Rules are important there,yes. More so than love that could guide.
Paraphrased: It uses the Bible and true Christianity as a buffet; picking and choosing what support their twisted system while ignoring verses or anyone that disagrees with them.
It’s a cult!
If the community's mindset was all about others before self, I'm interested to know how they taught prayer? Aren't we supposed to be self reflecting when we pray?
I think I understand your question, I'd say when we prayed we are asking for insight for our hurtful ways and for YHWH to speak to us. There was a lot of repenting and self reflection, which I still value. Also praying about our rebellious ways against the teachings. Is that helpful? 🤔
I can tell you Pop. Pop pray just like popcorn be quick and to the point we've got money to make the Holy Spirit wants pop pop.. no really I'm being serious just ask Jilly she remembers
I was there a little more than 8 years. Tribe of Yoceph. I was known as Labeshu lev Yeled. I did learn a lot of things that was good for me, but I saw corruption in leadership. I had a revelation we had always been under the law. 2 Cor 3:9 Paul explains that the law is the ministry that brings about judgment. Those who have been apart of them know about the Kahal meetings. (judgement meeting). As Paul explained the law was given to judge the evil in us. But explained in Roman 7 that the very command that was intended to give him life, actually put him to death. "I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring me life, actually brought death." Rom 7:10 He explains just before that the command that said "do not covet" actually stirred up every covetous desire within him.. I experienced this there at the community. I learned from Yahshua's teachings, about the new covenant that would not be like the first one. The new covenant brought the command "do not judge". Get this!; He also commanded them Mathew 20:25 "you have heard how the gentiles have rulers that lord it over them. And their governors have authority over them. But this shall not be with you. Instead, whoever wants to be great among you must be a servant of all." "Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve. This new way of the spirit, is explained in Galatians 5 as the ministry of freedom. Love can only be given, if you have the choice to give it.
Wow.you got to take care of yourself first,to be able to help others,correctly.
Righto. Can't fill others if you're not fulfilled yourself ☺️
Can I bring a gun as part of my personal possessions?
i doubt it! you don't get personal possessions anyway😂
Hide it.
As someone who grew up there and it's possible to have a firearm I had several for year you just have to hide it very well
The non-aggression principle is superior for raising children.
Galatians explains it...
Do you still believe in Yeshua?
the "twelve tribes" cult IS NOT the twelve tribes of YISRAEL. they're CHRISTIAN aka pagan but using different titles.
EXACTLY!!! Christians can be so obsessed with culturally appropriating Jewish culture it’s cringy..
God comes through you
Not to you.
Eeeexxxxaaaccctly. 👌
Sounds great
Don't confuse with Rastafarian 12 Tribes of Israel , not a cult
No critical thinking allowed in cults. All must think alike. Is that what it was like in your group?
Freely choosing you lost Jahshua's life for a deciving selfish world.
Well I think it's not as simple as that😁
Who's "Jahshua" ? Lol . They don't use a "J" there.
You don't think those people are selfish and full of themselves in a collective ego it is YOU who are decieved.
don't think that's true 🙏🏽😊
@@jillybeenz8699 I'm sorry I was referring to "Bety Fra". And I stand by this comment I made as they said repeatedly to me, "We are the only thing that matters." Also I heard , "we are the only way to the creator, and it is through the body of the messiah,(them) that you can be saved". So to me that sounds like the many other religious organizations that use the idea of a collective ego to diminish the individual and promote themselves above all else. I hope that helps you understand my perspective.