Is it easy to leave the Twelve Tribes cult/community?
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- I was a part of this group for 8 years, and feel a responsibility to pass on info about my experience there. Learning is power, so I am here to share. How easy is it to leave the group? I'll answer that question and others here in this video.
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"Leaving is really really hard, obviously... Yeah I got kicked out."
😂🤣😂🤣💀💀
I used to visit the Tribes a lot, and got to know a lot of people there in Chattanooga. While coming home from work, I took the buses all the time, I saw one of the kids working at one of the houses they were renovating on McCallie - he was mowing a lawn - and seriously, he had finished, walked to the bus stop, and got on. That was it. He looked about 13, with his hair in that ponytail they have, with one of those headbands all the guys wear. He apologized to the bus driver and said he didn't have any money, and didn't know what to do on a bus, but he was leaving the Twelve Tribes and what should he do. The driver told him to sit down, and the whole bus treated him like a hero. Haven't seen him after that.
Wow. The strength! He is a hero! How long ago was that? Wishing all the best to him. Thanks for sharing 😊
@@jillybeenz8699 I believe 2007. Have you ever been to the Chattanooga Tribes? He was this blond haired kid who always worked withe grounds keeping company the tribes have, it was either Green Solutions, or Glad Heart, not sure the name.
@@jillybeenz8699 I don't even know where he went. Probably Family Services. The bus driver was calling Child Protective Services, since all the busses are "safe spaces" for at risk kids.
@@jillybeenz8699 It was in 2007.
Stay free! I have had some interactions with the twelve tribes through their yellow deli location in rural North Carolina because my family took me to eat there pre-Covid and my “this is a cult” alarms started going off when they were actively trying to recruit me and my girlfriend at the time. Being open minded I looked into the literature they handed out and saw it for what it is. They are definitely preying on people who are in desperate economic or personal crisis in that area.
Yes, always looking for lost sheep. I don't believe people in the group are purposefully preying on others, I definitely did my share of meeting people and hoping they would join when I was a part. But the members are always looking for people who are searching in life, and the belief is people are looking for a God shaped void, of which they claim to have the answer. Stay free yourself 😉
i remember we lived in cambridge ny and we left in the day and everyone was crying so hard and i couldent stop crying for hours till we got to my grandmas in PA ,it was a huge change i think it’s why i see change as bad ,i get u💖
Appears they are alive and well in this comment section. I spent a month in mo with 12 tribes. Left without incident. They even drove me to my father's telling me the whole ride that life wouldn't be good for my decision to leave. Wonders about infighting amongst the elders since Spriggs passed away.
When did he pass away? I really think that when the youth become leaders they will change!🤠
They are indeed very convinced.
Love watching you keep telling your story love your content!
I was there 15 years. I left a few years back. Still getting over it. I finally got kicked out too.
Why were you kicked out?
@@umaraul9868 They couldnt break me. I finally was too "bad".
Holy hell
15 years of mind games
Yikes.
😌 phew. That's a lot! Be gentle on yourself ☺️
This is so interesting ! thank you for sharing this with us :)
Glad you are appreciative of it!
Not always east to expose the hurt!
i lived in the twelve tribs too
SHUNNED :persistently avoided, ignored or rejected . I believe that’s the word you were searching for. Being shunned makes it even harder for the member of any group to leave. Shunning often splits up family relationships , business relationships , ALL relationships To be forced to start life over without any of your loved ones, without a support system is terrifying, and the reason high control groups use shunning , as they know the idea of it will make most people fall in line, rather than face their fears and gain their freedom. In the end ? I’m so happy you were forced to leave and forced to accept your freedom. And look at you . You’ve survived it and your. Kids can taste freedom. I’m so proud of your bravery and strength and look forward to more videos .
I appreciate it ☺️
yup, shunned. quite the isolating feeling. Makes people depend on acceptance from those in the group. People will do whatever to be accepted. I'm glad too! Thank you! Life ain't easy now, but at least we can go thru it knowing the inspiration inside each of us and not be told what god thinks about us. Yes, I believe I'll make one about life as a kid in the TT. All the best!
We were not there too terribly long but we did give up everything from our previous life to join, so leaving was not simple, in any sense of the word.
I believe it! How much help did they provide for you? Did they allow you all to go or did you have to be sneaky?
They did not provide any help, we left on our own and in a sneaky way. There was some harassment after leaving as well which was hard because we still had the same belief system and cared greatly for our peers there.
@@shelbyengbrock2937 yikes. To me, if there's no free will to leave then how can it be from god? And, making it difficult for people to leave goes against what they say to get people to join.
How did you experience harassment 😬?
@@jillybeenz8699 Our family was repeatedly contacted after leaving, sometimes in not so nice ways, about choosing to leave and what it meant for us. We were told we needed to repent and turn back to God and that we were going against him and his will.
There were a few people we did stay in contact with that were kind and supportive. Years later we have visited the community in Warsaw, MO a couple times and that has been a positive experience. Almost tempting to be drawn back in at times. There are many thing to miss after leaving.
This is the third video of yours I'm watching so I subscribed and thumbed up.
thanks 👍🙏🏾
I left in early morning at Common Sense Farm. My Father from NJ picked me up. I had a backpack and nothing else. It was quite traumatic. I still have nightmares about it. But over the years I am much better and readjusting quite nicely.
Did they let you go or did you have to sneak out? What inspired you to leave?
@@jillybeenz8699 I had been to elder meetings quite frequently over the previous two years for complaining about things and asking questions about the Tribes finances. Some sister caught me at the local public library reading a history book and told the shepherds. They told me I was going to be demoted to working on the farm. I was tired in my soul and ready to leave. I was exhausted in my body. I had been working at cafes probably 10 -14 hours a day for the past 7 years in Boston and Cambridge, NY. The gatherings were boring and lifeless. The other single brothers in the community with me were very strange and mentally unstable. I had to sneak out in early morning, but I told them the night before I was going. Members were banging on my bedroom door to try to talk to me, but I was done.
So I have stayed at the hiker hostel in Rutland Vermont. My question is what is up with the 1000 yard gaze? It is like they are under a spell, its so weird. I also went to the farm in bellows falls, I am a hiker BTW. That is why I was there.
Hey hiker😁
I don't know about the 1000 yard gaze, I'm unfamiliar. But yes, a spell is another word for under a spirit. Being a part of the group is a commitment to believe everything they tell you, so a spell is true. They have a lot of great things going on, but it's an all in situation.
Yeah a girl few weeks ago found me on the street with that 1000 years gaze. Asking me if I knew of the 12 tribes. I peace’s out. But that stare is real.
I'm a new subscriber and happy to meet you. My oldest daughter Keliyah has thrived in the 12 tribes for many years and I am very proud of her
I totally believe you! People can flourish there, it's the transition that is really hard. I'm glad to hear you keep in touch. Count your lucky stars! 😁
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@@jillybeenz8699 thank you. I was a single dad with 3 teenagers and understand this incredible challenge. Hope y'all had a good trip to Texas and looking forward to seeing some footage of your family trip in the near future
You are lucky that you are able to be in contact with her.
@@tracycameron2580 well I grew up in evangelical cult so I'm used to being shunned by family. 😂
I haven't gotten baptized, but I'm thinking about leaving. I don't get my questions answered bc all the elders are busy traveling all over for conferences or working from sun up to sun down in their deli. Bunch of Marthas not Marys.
trust yourself and don't ignore the red flags you see! Your future can go in may directions, but if you join it ain't easy to reconsider 😬
I lived there half of my life and I really understand you.
If they say don't communicate with those who leave, how were you able to go back and visit and even meet 3 couples you had been friends with when you were there?
dope story thanks for sharing :) im curious about the choice of camera positioning haha
Glad you enjoy. It was definitely shady where I was, other than that I'm using a 360 camera.
Hi Jilly, thanks for sharing your experiences. I live close to the Yellow Deli in Vista, California and I’ve been there several times. I have some questions that I’m hoping you or any ex members of the 12 tribes can answer. Do they ever get to keep their tips at the restaurant? How many hours a day do they usually work? Do the 12 tribes members get a monetary allowance? Can they ever buy anything on their own? Can the women buy a scarf or a blouse that they like? Can the men buy a shirt that they like? Can they ever buy any food that they like other than always having to eat the food at the Yellow Deli or at the residences of 12 tribes? Thanks, Sarai
No no and no! It's all communal. Clothes are made/bought for you. There is a common pot and I never touched a dollar when I was there. There are designated shoppers for everyone. Food is provided and there is a VERY limited amount of choice. Hope that helps!😊
@@jillybeenz8699 Yes that’s very helpful, thank you. Last week I went to 3 of their events and I tried to reason with a man that has only been there for 9 months. He was questioning some things and I thought it would be a good chance to help him to not stay in the TT. I’m praying for him and for others to leave. I’m glad you got out when you did! 🙂
The best thing to do (I think) is to develop a relationship with them, and be available in case they want to get out. No amount of reasoning will get through to them. i promise ☺️
@@jillybeenz8699 Thanks, that’s good advice. That’s why I went 3 times in one week to develop a friendship with this man to try to help him get out. But he may have been trying to get me in the TT community. He acted interested in me and even asked for my phone number and I gave him my email address as well but he never contacted me. When I have more time I’ll tell you what happened Friday night at the Sabbath celebration when I told an elder I cannot come back after confronting him about a couple of their false teachings.
@@sarailovesjesus.revelation11 Honestly in my opinion there's nothing you could say to them to convince them otherwise. Of course they're interested in you! They want you to join and be saved! Good to make connections, but warning ⚠️ don't get too emotionally involved 😁!
Wish I could watch your videos but I have vertigo. Did want to say I’m glad you got away from 12 Tribes ❤
Weird cult, but makes the best peanut butter milkshakes I've ever had hahaha
It's true! They definitely know how to make dank food!
Hi Jilly My friend lost his wife to TT a number of years ago. They had a son before the cult took her. TT tried to take their son into the cult. My friend successfully showed the judge in family court that TT had a history of child abuse and so it was not a safe environment for their son. TT would not allow her to see her son until their son was handed over to the cult. When they first met the cult, the cult leaders actively tried to split the family because they knew she was weak to their arguments. She is still there. Very sad. My friend had PTSD from the whole thing and it affected the son deeply. This cult is very damaging and controlling.
shew. Sorry to hear that. Not easy stuff. We are going through similar things as far as PTSD goes. It's a long road, but worth it. Stay strong! Don't give up! Just make sure if she ever does decide to leave that she has a forgiving place to come home to ☺️.
All the best, Jillybeenz
What's up Jilly. I had a few things I was curious about and was wondering if you would be able to help me understand the 12 tribes a little better. I found out about 12 tribes recently because of a huge fire outside of Boulder, CO this past week that burned down hundreds of houses and land. I guess that it may have originated from the 12 tribes properties in that area.
I heard that the 12 tribes group would go around in their crazy multi level busses and follow Grateful Dead, Phil and Friends, Pink Floyd and other popular 70s artists. I also heard that they would often engage in predatory techniques upon "spun-out" kids who were at those shows and who had nowhere else to go. I heard they would do things like send over a pretty young girl to talk to some kid who was tripping his face off and then bring him into their group and attempt to convert him to the 12 tribes cause.
Are any of those things true? How often did they go on these concert tours in these buses? Did you ever ride in one of them or go to a show with the 12 tribes group? What is with their interest in these bands that often have a very psychedelic vibe to them? Was / Is it common for members in the 12 Tribes group to take LSD, mushrooms, and other psychedelic drugs (maybe considered sacraments?).
Sorry this is so long lol. Anyway thanks for your knowledge and have a wonderful day.
He there! Ah yes, the busses. Peacemakers they are called. Super beautiful! I did get to go to Kansas City once i believe. In my experience (which was 8 years) there were many evangelism trips that were taken. Often to a big event, and we would arm ourselves with hundreds of "free papers" that would have stories in then that would tug at people's hearts and offer them a solution (being part of a group). The papers are definitely interesting and well done. Worth a read! They used to and probably still do go to shows, although the busses are shared between tribes. But a van or two full of people would go out and give people papers pretty often.
No drugs ever as far as i know. Sexuality was definitely frowned upon and I never witnessed anyone trying to get a 12 T girl out to lure people. The main goal for the bus would be to provide a safe place for people to come. But of course after they create a warm hospitable place, they would ask questions to see if the people were satisfied with their life. It was definitely a way for the TT to "plant seeds" and provide "hope" for aimless people looking for a change. Hey, it worked on me!
But again, I was never a person of authority in the tribes, so who knows, maybe there was something going on there that i wasn't able to see. All i could do was trust them, cause if i didn't I wouldn't have the "holy spirit", and nobody wanted that.
I think they follow bands like that because people who follow those bands could be thought of as "wandering" or "aimless". In the 70's I believe they found a LOT of people following the G Dead.
No they don't do drugs anymore after woodstock,etc. 😂 and have a very good formula to help people recover from drugs and permiscous lifestyles before the baptism ceremony
They don't do any kind of drugs
@@jillybeenz8699 Interesting, that's what they do in Scientology: ask people questions to find out if they are satisfied in their lives.
I'm glad you are out and are happy to be out.
meeeee too.
Dear Jilly Beenz, thank You for sharing!!! I am very thankful to be able to hear about Your experience which is quite unique as You Yourself point out.
Since I almost never heard about someone being "kicked out" there and the implications... You Yourself point out that ppl usually leave "over night" "in secret" "hastingly sneaking out" which also is my impression. Then some (very few) ex-members sound more like a "controlled, smooth transition out" like S.R. Lavin (and his book "GOD'S PEOPLE in Search of a Destiny") or Chen Czarnecki R.I.P.
Actually the ONLY occasion I heard about someone being "kicked out" is Rosemary Cruzado's husband not willing to accept teachings and opposing actively and openly and becoming a "troublesome element" to the group and its holy and noble destiny. Even renegade youths are being described as "our lost sheep" and being often addressed in prayer to please come back. The only other occasion for "kicked out" being "some sexual misconduct" which I read in another book, when it "couldn't be fixed by a brown-pants-wedding".
In ALL other instances, I hear about the group actually trying to hold and correct You while the individual pushes to leave. Which is somehow comforting for a person planing to join, given that you have put EVERYTHING on one oneway ticket, you wouldn't want a group that drops you at "first inconvenience".
- I know this is a personal question, but would You be able to give a hint on why the group did such a drastic and unusual thing like "kicking out" in Your case? Openly rejecting teaching(s)? Something "sexual"?
PS: I really love your hair and wish you all the best...which is likely living in the land of the free. For folx here in Europe I sense shit coming down "communist china" style next fall...sadly enough...or maybe not as I still looking for the "final push" over the waterfall...
Yeees! So in a nutshell I was judged as not having the "spirit". I did my darndest to remain in the group, but after a taste of free will ( my kids having whooping cough so we were quarantined) and with my "husband " gone, and also being disconnected I just wasn't making it. SO much pressure. They tried to help me in some ways, but it was decided that I needed to go back to my "head" ("husband "), reunite as a family then the idea was we'd all come back together. At least that's what they said!
I wanted to stay (although I believe subconsciously I wanted to get the heLL outta there), but I got booted!I wasn't upholding the discipline standards and became a liability.
That's pretty much the jist.
Little did they know (maybe) that they put us in a dangerous situation 🤔.
@@jillybeenz8699 Thanks!! This sounds a bit crazy, because on the one hand there surely is some vigor on visitors to "stay and join" and on the other hand I hear about people inside being asked to "sort out their things in the world first, and *then* come back". What is kind of weird, because sorting out your stuff in the world surely is much more effective and thorough if You do this *before* joining (and giving up a neat job). But I guess this is a bit too much pragmatic thinking.
So in a nutshell, I plan to support my needy family first until they can make it independently from my support, making a clean cut with the least amount of "collateral damage" and family suffering as possible and then... well I'll just have to do it. I sense it for almost 5 years now. I need to because I really believe them and their biblical knowledge and having lost almost all faith in the world.
I don't know if anyone can relate to the sensation that one "needs this experience" or having missed some important call in Your life. Even though it meaning giving up everything else and possible desaster. But life is a single shot only. I might lose everything but I yearn for this peace with god, peace with surroundings, inner peace with myself.
I am counting the cost for the pearl of insanely high price ;-)
Hello. I was born and raised there. Please tell me the names of these books you read. I'm very interested in what they have to say. Thank you.
@@Eurobunker You sound like me who had a hard on against the world and want to stick it to them as they await their judgement. Well what about the abuses of the twelve tribes. What about the passive aggressive nature of many of the male members, the teachings about Slavery and Blacks, the hiding of certain teachings unless confronted, they group narcissism that exists that is like toxic sugar. What about the smackings with balloon sticks and Cain's and children hating God because of it. There are no messianic communities that are 100% true. If you believe it biblically then that is on you. My dad did a good job indoctrinating me so that I would fall into these people's hands. Its crazy man, Babylon will fall along with the twelve tribes and their dopey ideology.
Thank you for sharing your story. You are strong and beautiful.
Ahhh. Thank you! I appreciate the kind words😁. I think so too!
Glad you got out. Good luck!👍😎🇨🇦
Thank you ☺️
We've made it a long way so far👍
You said you didn't want to leave. So it's not hard to leave because you can't leave. It's hard to leave because I don't want to leave?
Well, it's hard to leave cause they don't want you to go. Many sneak out. I didn't want to leave (not consciously), but they wanted me to leave (rare). But in any case life after leaving is incredibly challenging 🙂
No man is an island. That said man can live a much more independent life. My wife and I sold everything except a thirty eight foot sailboat eight years ago which we made our home. Looking back it is amazing how much of our lives were controlled by society. Now we live on the fringes of society and the freedom of our time is mostly ours. My point being the Twelve Tribes are a micro cult but how we live in a society at large can be the same.
Totally hear that! It seems I'm living in a giant cult in some ways! I'm working on a secure and free life for my family. My ultimate goal🌟
wow i dident even know they told all those crazy stories!im never going back !
thank you for sharing your story 🤍
I left them over a year ago.have been homeless since.but God is good im were he needs me.
Hey! Have you found any help for yourself? There are some ways I know of to start from 0! Let me know if you need some more help!
Here's a website from an ex long term member. worth a look!
question12tribes.com/samie-brosseau/
@@jillybeenz8699 hi im still homeless but hopefull God is good.
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I'm in Ava Missouri! Praying for you 🙏🤠
@@akowboysjourney9514 thank you and my The lord God bless you and keep you close.
i find i am very guilty for not wanting to visits my dad there ..i feel so soffacted like they woult let me go
My question is about taking medication or going to a doctor? Is this never allowed? Same thing with prenatal care or childbirth in a hospital?
Not never, but they try to handle everything the homeopathic way. There's definitely a lot of wisdom they have. I'm sure it's a case by case basis as far as medication goes, but overall is not used. Prenatal care and births are normally done at their homes, unless there is a circumstance.
Hope that helps☺️
Hey Billy beans it's Nathanael lived with you in Manitou and boulder was there when you were sent away . I also was sent away and split up from nedivah my wife and now 6 children. Just because I stood up to there cult tactics we should talk somehow I'm living in Kansas and have a lot to share
Nathaniel!! Good to hear from you! Man, sorry to hear that tho😬. How long ago? Crazy how families can get broken up...I wonder about y'all sometimes ☺️
@@jillybeenz8699 it's been 2 months they really showed no mercy at all . They really don't worry about the damaging effect that this causes on the family
@@jillybeenz8699 Nedivah is still there brainwashed completely . Love her so much and this is so hard but I also feel like I can think on my own a little bit. Still discombobulated though like getting footing again
@@tonyshaw2958 Yeah 😬. That's really crappy. Are you able to talk with her at all? probably not 🙄...
We can definitely chat sometime ☺️👍
Sorry you're having to go through all this.
🙏🏼
Why did they kick you out when you wanted to stay? Were you questioning too much? Were you more of an expense because of three children? I looked through your videos to see if you elaborated on that. What does it take to get kicked out? I never heard of a cult that actually kicked members out back into the world. Somehow you were no longer an asset to the community.
hmmm. maybe i should make a video about it. Gonna have to have a degree of discretion, but I'll think about it 😊
i lived there with my mom ahahva (angie) and my dad zerah it was so hard for my mom to leave
I want to know how this has affected you relationship with Jesus!!!!
Good question, definitely changed it! I can tell ya that much 🤣!
@@jillybeenz8699 lol.... that was a politician style nonanswer answer....
yes, you're correct 🤣
I'll have to figure out how to answer that one👍
Sounds like you were disfellowshipped, which proves it's not a cult
Very cool I subbed
cheers 😁
im not trying to be rude, but like youre part of this problem "im NOT going to tell you NOT to go there" but ur experiance was horrific? i get that you escaped a cult and theyre most likely keeping tabs on you, buttttt uhhhhhh dont make other people think that it maybe it might be a cool idea to go there
1% clubs can have similar aspects.
I can see that, but I'd sat the 1% know they're keeping the sheep dumb, I don't know for sure if that's the case here.
WTH...people die when they left???????
Not saying that as an official statement. Just said that because that is what we heard when I was a part of the group. Fear used as a reason to stay in the group.
I joined twice and left you won’t die ;) it’s just the fear they tell you so you don’t leave
Oh please!! lose that camera, I got the whirlies watching this.
Sorry man! I appreciate the feedback, working on different methods👍
" Um ..." 😃🐕😃
Couldnt watch the whole vid- spinning 360 and chewing gum.
😬sorry, thanks for the feedback ☺️
Very similar to Jehovah’s witnesses.
Probably so, closed place with no outside influence. Don't know much about Jehovah's Witnesses tho...
nauseating camera work
yes. thanks 👍 working on changing that😂