This 70 MPH ebike is DANGEROUS
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- If you enjoy speed, you might like my custom $10k electric bike.
Juiced Joyrides: / @juicedjoyrides
NEW 72v ebike coming to that channel in 1-2 weeks! 🤙
This 72v electric bike runs on a high discharge battery paired up to a BAC4000 controller tuned to force 12,000w into a mid drive motor. The current setup is 137 lbs of unhinged pure adrenaline. It's risky, but this is about the most fun you can have on two wheels.
This high power machine started from a Sur Ron which is very similar to the new Talaria Sting R MX4 - but this one is amped up quite a bit more. Only a few parts remain from the original bike, such as the frame, the motor, the wheels, and the rear suspension. If you're thinking about upgrading a Talaria Sting R MX4 or a Surron you may find inspiration and room for improvement in this build.
If you like this bike, you'll definitely love this one: ua-cam.com/video/jmZqcIu8u7Q/v-deo.html (it has pedals)
It seems powerful enough to be highway legal. It's definitely not really a bicycle at this point; just an electric dirt motorbike.
To be on the highway for 10minutes before being dead battery
Thank you 🙏 even if you had the pedal kit it’s still not a e bike & not legal for the roads . They are the perfect ride for a packed city . I see people in all states riding in the shitys . I get busted for riding way out in the desert . Fuck tyrant pigs 🐷
The point is that the ebike can do thar most motorcycles and cars can't.
But now people are crying for it to become ANOTHER motorcycle.
When it's not. No cars or motorcycles can take trails or paths not normally taken.
You can literally get off and walk with it to get off the saddle and stretch and it wouldn't look out of place. Can't do that on a motorcycle or car.
Cars or motrocyles Can't take narrow trails or multi use paths.
Cars and motorcycles aren't as slim or as nimble and they take up much less space on the road.
Ebikes even with throttle can be and do so much more.
But turning it into another electric motorcycle literally neuters it.
@@Mash3OH3 these 40mph+ bikes ruin it for the rest of us though. They are too fast for tight pedestrian/cyclist multipurpose trails and their tiny wheels+massive torque damage and rip up the trails for mountain bike paths.
Coming from a emtb owner these should only should be used OHV/ATV trails or streets. Not just for the rider’s safety and enjoyment but for everyone else’s too.
@@hugegoose5004
Sounds like a you problem. I've never seen or experienced any ebike rider do 40mph and up on a public trail.
Just cause you have a bias towards them doesn't mean they have to stop using those trails or paths. It's public.
In the end it come down to the rider. Personally I don't mind going slow. In fact I like going slow. Slow and controlled movements is just as fun.
If I want to go fast I go on the road.
Motorcyclist here. its a motorbike. 100%. And just so you know, your gear is absolutely inadequate for riding and any kind of protection at those speeds. be safe man, no excuses, your brakes are very weak. braking needs to be your top priority on a motorcycle.
Looks like a lot of fun! Just remember that when you hit the ground at those speeds you will become a human crayon.
I have a feeling he never goes that fast. But could
Agatt.
Paraphrased from Zen and the art of Volkswagen Maintenance, "Being able to stop is the most important thing in a car and in life".
My first street bike (1982 Yamaha Maxim 400) had very weak brakes. It's whopping 40ish horsepower needed to be planned for in terms of stopping distance, unfortunately.
Only the 93 -94 matter
It's not a "motorbike" it doesn't even have a traditional motor that gas bikes have. It's an "E-Bike" by definition
My mate has one of these, you definitely dont want to take it highway speeds but taking it on trails is the most fun ive had on a bike in a while
I took my philodo H8 down a long dirt-ish trail, a bit bumpy on some spots lol but 30mph down that was fun, and my ebike before that only had pedal assist and was slower but I took it to our dunes area all along the sandy trails, makes a good workout and a sketchy ride lol
Editing, speed & talk through was spot on lad! Much love from Scotland! 👍
10k is just insane man, Base Surron light already almost 5k. I got into E bikes to try and save money on fuel. My save some cash plan turned into an expensive hobby quick
ahhahhah true
you can upgrade them for 2k people just get ripped off
1k on facebook marketplace.
This is so true, it is about how you ride not what you ride.❤
WIth these things you can fly under the radar almost everywhere, but you also most definitely can draw attention to you if you are asking for it.
if you are not asking fro it??? look at this thing! It screams "Look At Meeeeeeeeee"
@@Psyt0sasking 4 it in Portland is riding these on bike path
I have a similar build. Thing is an absolute hoot, but the power off the line is something to respect... which I didn't and I smashed myself up pretty good. Back on it after a bit, now on power level 6
i raced a 150cc honda dirt bike around a trials course with some stretches and jumps on my bosses surron and i whooped the dirt bikes a**. they are pretty fun to spin around the corners on the trails they feel light like all the weights on or right under you
Upgrading the rotor to one with two metals, so the central spider is a different metal bolted to the rotor, will help massively with brake fade. Given how easily that thing picks up speed I would definitely want to upgrade the brakes.
Be careful with bicycle floating rotors, almost every one I've seen use thin metal washer's that can rust out and fall apart ! They got to use stainless washers like motorcycle one's
What a weapon of a bike!
I want one bad!!!
My motorbikes will disown me though!!!
really been enjoying your show. I cant wait to get one. Been riding bikes forever, did my first century when I was like 14 years old, but I never was allowed when I was younger to get anything with a motor, so I really cant wait :)
So glad to see you back on the "RON"
To be honest I enjoyed watching beautiful Santa Monica more than information's in the video. Not that it was boring or something. I love the video. It's just that place can't be beaten... the weather, people, beaches, ocean, houses along the beach.
come back for more 😆
is not about the speed and the range, its the tires and the brakes you'll see people prioritizing after many learning experiences.
Wow. Speechless. I love ur videos
What a bad ass bike! I didn't know you had another channel. I will definitely check it out!
knowing you're a gt500 dude, you might like the high powered stuff a bit more 🤙
@@TailHappyTV I do like power, and had a sportbike, but that bike is very scary 😮!! What an incredible machine though, love it!!
Awesome video...$10k!?! 😱 💰
I would definitely upgrade the brakes. Mountain bike brakes are intended to stop 250 pounds from 25 mph, ao they are totally inadequate to stop 350 pounds from 50 mph.
Yeah the brakes should absolutely be swapped w these typa builds
Double the speed increases energy by 4X for a given mass.
Look very nice. Looking forward to placing it on my 2 Australian sheperds in the nature
Thats insane ! 🤯 nice bike
When the brakes fail, look for the nearest soft surface to run into to slow you down, hopefully!;-)
We got a Sur-Ron and it climbs hills so good and acceleration is crazy. I got two batteries and can travel about 50-60 miles. Put a thicker seat on too. On second set of tires now.
you must have an upgraded battery/controller to get that type of range right?
@@zweed69 I get 45 miles on the average with stock battery, depends on what modes i ride and if there are hills etc.
@@aaaa1953 thats impressive, I was looking to upgrade mine but wondering if its worth the cost. I think I'm getting around 35-40km max but thats hard riding
i liked you changed the gears! makes sense!
Bought it few months ago. Ride it to work and back + joyride😂 it's really worth in my opinion. Finally i can skip all traffic along the road way to my home😂
What bike is that?
Definitely a motorcycle lol. At least according to the cops. I could never ride that on the street in my town. Nice wheelies!!
can't lean though tires to narrow and the wrong shape,.
thanks for watching
@@TailHappyTV great content!
Under UK law, having a twist throttle makes it not a ebike, and not having pedals makes it not an ebike. That makes it illegal. I guess that's why America is the land of the free.
Frankly, what you have there is an electric motorcycle with bicycle brakes.
That thing moves!
It’s a little extra 😆
Wow looks really nice 😊
So, its worth it if you got the cash. Looks super fun. I enjoy my bafang on my specialized rockhopper, you should build one of those 😎
I have built one of those, great motor, actually put a build video on this channel in 2016 with the bbshd
@@TailHappyTV honestly I probably saw it, haha. Awesome videos!
Not about this bike, but wanted to thank you for the reviews of the Troxus Explorer. I got one, and love it, and the coupon code saved me real dollars. I’m keeping my old Evo Cross for now, but probably not for long.
Happy to hear you’re loving it! Thanks for using my coupon code too! Enjoy!
I got one too, loving it.
Awesome! Happy riding :D
Dangerously awesome!🎉😂
that looks like good fun
I was looking at getting the Lightbee X recently but for my usage an eMTB made more sense so went that route instead. The Lightbee is a motorbike, no question. But the fact that it's almost a bicycle in terms of size and looks still has me very interested. Where I am a motorbike license is required plus registration to ride it on the roads so that was the deciding factor against it for me.
I found a ebike that is nothing like this and impressive(but nothing like his) but what I wanted was to look like a bike. undercover. lol The moped style ebikes look like minibike in my era and a dead giveaway. way cooling looking in my eyes. The one I got was also reviewed on his channel. But his is older and they upgraded them alot but basically same power train.
So inspiring! Just saw this as I'm adding a 8kW QS273 to my fat bike. If I show up on a Sur Ron, I'd never be able to be near a bike path. What controller are you using? Ahh - BAC4000..found it on the other video. Cool.
Make sure your rims n frame are rated for that, otherwise I'm jelly 🤩
a QS273 is probably more power than you need this bike comes with what is basically a 138 and it can go 15kw @ 72v safe
I’ve got the BAC4000 on my stock 60v, SM wheels dual caliper for the rear. Blinkers, headlight, horn . Too much fun. I’ve raced motorcycles in everything my whole life. I ride on the street respectfully and haven’t had a problem with the police. There’s a Time and place for everything so don’t do anything stupid in front of people to get noticed. But go crazy when nobody is around.And wear gear. Oh I’m 67, Try to Catch Me, no way.
M8 u are nuttin these vids like crazy
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That's INSANE!
It's nice, I live in socal too but I can't justify the price tag. You dont need to spend 10k to go 72mph. The ariel x-class 52v (on sale for $1800 right now) and a 5000w conversion kit (about $1000~), plus a second battery (varies) will get you up to around 62mph. This is just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's many other options for the x-class. Those tires arent very fat, either. So, I like it and I appreciate the contribution but I personally wouldn't ride it. And be careful in the city, always assure everyone is an idiot and that there are cops on every corner.
The main difference with the SurRon class bikes are that they can used for proper off roading. Any hub/mid drive ebike wont have the same handling if you're looking for some fun in the woods! Plus there are other similar options now available at 72v out of the box for around $4,500
This ebike sure needs dual front disc brakes.
This motorcycle needs a front disc brake and caliper sized for a motorcycle of its speed and weight.
Sounds ruthless at 50+ 😂😂nice
i have similar specs on a 20 year old full suspension mountain bike lol. qs205 4t v3, sabvoton 71250 controller, 3kwh lipo, have huge dual crown shocks on the front, and remote lockout on the rear shock. about to put a dropper seat post and working on how to elevate my battery 2 inches and then it shall be road ready once again.
I like how he calls the power modes " power assist" like you would on a power assist pedal bike. Unless you are waddling that thing around like a kids balance bike, those aren't " power assist" as they aren't assisting any effort. They are just power modes, same as you find on most modern motorcycles. Calling this thing an ebike is kinda a joke. A bycycle, by definition, has to be pedal driven. This guy has got the same "pedals" i have got on my Tenere 700. Accept i would call them foot pegs. These things are super cool, and i may buy one someday, but as both an avid cyclist and motorcycle rider, i think it's pretty obvious which direction these things lean.
haha I intentionally said "power assist" tongue in cheek instead of "pedal assist" in my normal regal ebike reviews
you can actually put a 'pedal kit' on the surron so technically its a push bike then 😂
@@zweed69Still per the law it's a motor bike as the power and top speed is too high. What we tell people is you do what you can afford. meaning you get a ticket don't CRY about it you knew it's not legal.
@@Meekerextreme maybe where you live....
Sold my $10k sur ron bought a used $8k zero fxs and got plated. Got sick of getting harassed on trails so it was a road only bike and I figured at that point I might as well get a real plated motorcycle
What would you compare the sur ron to when it comes to combustion bikes?
looks violent :)
Coll bike. Much better than an old fashioned moped.
It's just a motorcycle with inadequate brakes, put on proper gear when you're above 30mph; this includes full finger gloves, abrasion resistant pants with impact padding for the pelvis (if this bone breaks, and you start bleeding and don't get moved to a trauma center by a very competent paramedic, you will probably die), an impact and abrasion resistant jacket, and a full face helmet.
All the gear all the time.
Review of a custom electric bike with a 70 mph top speed, upgraded battery and controller, and a $10,000 price tag. Includes a test ride and power assist levels.
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Review of a custom electric bike with 70 mph top speed and $10,000 price tag
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Explaining the power assist levels on an e-bike
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The bike's modifications and features
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Riding the electric bike is fun and requires effort
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Review of an e-bike with a top speed of 40 mph
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Riding technique matters more than location
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This bike is expensive and has downsides
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The e-bike is powerful but dangerous
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just once I would love to try something like that, the acceleration is hilariously quick :)
Even if I do not ever build a bike like this, I would still like links or details on the parts you used because ONE day I might like to build a modest version of this build. But in the meantime knowing I can will help me dream better! So PLEASE provide links so I can increase my education on these kinds of bikes! THANKS!
If it wasn’t so dang dangerous, it wouldn’t be so dang FUN💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Sounds like you are describing my wolf warrior😂
I wouldn't be surprised if some states would pass a law requiring you to have a Driver's License to drive these type of e bikes
Yeah f those states.
This is not legal to ride on the street in any state with or without drivers license. It is a motorcycle for all intents and purposes that can't be registered because it is not up to DOT standards with inadequate brakes, no signals, mirrors etc.
lmao the wheelie crash got me rolling
Do one with a heavy person and see if the speed stays the same or it is reduced
Hmmm
It's not wise choice to use bike brakes on motorbike.
If you want to have brake wat may be strong enough there is just two options out there.
1. Magura Gustav M ( Very old but still possible to find in good condition)
2. Gator 8 piston insanity ( newer seen one in a wild, probably impossible to get one)
Of course need to be paired with good pads and 2.3 mm thick rotors to perform.
China has a liking to use bicycle brakes and suspension, although they make some great knockoff dirt bike brakes and forks and shocks that wouldn't add anymore to the cost. Not sure why Suron and Talaria use bicycle components. The Rawrr Mantis has bicycle brakes but they are a LOT better then our Talaria, not and day...still I think they need to just go to a dirt bike caliper, rotor and levers. Even the Apollo RFN aka Beta Expolrer uses bicycle components. It's an odd China thing, same with using 19" wheels...LOL
@@Meekerextreme well you are right.
Author of this video says it has 12kw ( 17 hp) of power...... 50 cc mopeds what has quater of that from factory have better brakes.
Thank god you're figuring it out , pretty much all ebikes shuld be refitted to the larger brake standard . Ya they can be death , also I'm unsure on the swingarm , I think the suron is cast not extruded 😮
Thats the one that blew up in are lot from the battery.💥
If you hit someone, you are going to learn the difference between an Accident and Vehicular Homicide.
Assuming someone dies
At 70 ?@@TailHappyTV
@@epiphonium why would he be on the sidewalk at 70? how??
My nephew's fried used to ride a 125cc scooter to work. A bit heavier than your bike, and nowhere near its level of performance.
He fell over going round the corner to the road to his house. Sat looking up at the sky for a moment, had a look around, thought "oh, look... my shoe is on the road back there".
His foot was still inside his shoe, severed at the ankle.
I would hesitate to call you an idiot - you're an adult and you make your own choices. But the brakes on your $10,000 ebike are completely inadequate for something with its level of performance and you aren't wearing safety gear. A motorcycle boot (you ARE riding a motorbike, don't pretend it isn't one) has armour to protect you. No-one who knows how to ride a motorbike would ever ride one in shorts. That's really, really stupid.
If you come off that thing at anywhere above 40mph, you will be very lucky if you end up in a wheelchair. People are fragile.
Please think about this.
The more people share stories online the more you desensitize people and make your intended audience not give a shit
Bro this guy is a 'squid' and unfortunately he's the 'ride unlawfully' type as well, he's just here to make a buck like most youtubers in this space are, consequences be darned.
That's a nice bike dam
I saw your video for the first time and you're discussing about downfalls on this e-bike I agree no pedals on the E bike which everybody should have because of not looks what happens the end of walking far away to get to your location where you first started tell the smart thing is when you buy another bike make sure you have pedals on it so you can pedal home in case of emergencies go figure likewise good day and good luck to the next video if you get it another bike.
Good to see that you are using the phone mount with E-motorcycle :)
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I'd love to have something like this to commute on. If the cops saw me riding anything like this on the road where I live, they'd clap me in irons, turbo illegal unless you got it homologated as a motorcycle. Probably also in some places in the US, not sure. But if you mow someone down with this at speed, it would probably have pretty severe legal consequences.
I rode past about 10 cops today 😆
It's illegal in basically any state in usa.
However potential fines and payments are much less typically in usa than they would be in say many eu countries where you'd get retro-slapped for insurance, registration, type certifying, fines... and the cops lack training about whats actually legal or illegal too in usa.
Goes for modified cars and such too in usa.
straight mobbin
Surron more like an electric motorcycle ❤❤❤
That is a death trap with those brakes
😆 precisely, will be upgrading soon
Have fun when you run over a little kid and some time in jail. @@TailHappyTV
Have you considered an additional caliper for the brakes. High performance cars often have two calipers per wheel. I know that’s additional brake pads to replace but would provide additional clamping force
Or just plain bigger brakes. More complex with more rather than bigger.
The mounts for brakes on a bicycle are either welded into the frame, or machined in. You can't really change the brake geometry on these designs without alot of machine work
@@TriadAgone you would be surprised how easy either drilling and tapping a bolt hole is if the frame is solid or using a rivet nut insert if it’s hollow is. I’m not saying it would be super easy and would require some fabrication ability but it’s also not rocket surgery.
@0ldGuy the brakes mount on a stand-off, and the forks on alot of bikes are hydroformed aluminum. It wouldn't be super hard but if you're doing all that just swap to a more robust system entirely instead if a bicycle system. At that point you can just buy a bike with the brakes you need on it.
@Old Guy "high performance cars" don't have two calipers used for braking. The second caliper you are referring to is for the E-Brake only and is not used for actual braking when applying the brake pedal.
Got pedals fitted on mine and limited top speed to 35mph but modified sprocket for massive low down torque!
This is new wave of supermoto, awesome
Looks fun as hell, but it kinda seems like it doesn't really fit in anywhere. I sense a crackdown coming, or some changes in legislation.
Yeah states are going to start making people put plates on bikes like this and pay insurance, have turn signals, inspection etc. Might be 10 years but it will happen.
@@Clearanceman2 With its speed and power it already can't be classified as an E bike, so the only way you can legally ride it basically anywhere public is by going through the process to get it plated as a motorcycle. Basically everything in this video is already technically illegal. I'm not sure what it will look like, but they're definitely going to do something enforcement-wise soon.
Agree
Ggree @@iPig
This is not an ebike nor dirtbike, it is an electric motorcycle. As someone who rides, the risk you are taking with these is exponentially higher than with an actual motorcycle. They do not have the same safety features and are not meant to go the speed you take it to.
Was goin to type pretty much teh same thing... The shocks and the brakes are for a MTN not a EMoto
@@dirtedeuce5936 Not too mention that usually the bicycle suspension and brakes is cheaper and more generic on these then you would find on nice name brand bikes in a bike shop.
in germany we say DAS IST ILLEGAL😂😂 nice bike and looks very fun to drive
Going 36mph on a lectric xp 2.0 is scary enough I don’t think I could ever ride anything as light yours or lighter 70mph without getting paranoid. It’s pretty neat though!
These bike's were a good forerunner for the industry. But unfortunately the forks are too short to enjoy as a dirt bike. Yamaha emoto bike is good.
You were riding WAY too fast on that Santa Barbara beach trail !!
Marina Del Rey has a good hospital when you need it
It’s got considerably more power than my 50cc Yamaha TZR which only had maybe 6kw even when it was de restricted and a top speed of 50mph. It also weighed 220lbs roughly.
but it cost 10k
@@f1shado413 yeah, that is pretty extortionate isn’t it! The TZR was a quarter of that price!
That’s a lot of potential terminal velocity while whirring along sidewalks and bike paths. Yikes!
Kinetic energy
10k price tag 😭💀💀
Legend has it there’s 7 phases to this rabbit hole 🐇 🕳️
If you've ever ridden one (I have) just remember it's essentially a 3/4 size bike. Compared to an actual 200cc+ 2stroke dirt bike, it's short wheelbase, small wheels, and won't take the same level of punishment that an actual dirt bike will.
sweet i want one
You paid 10 K for that! You could buy a nice Ducati for way less than that. Ya that's it, keep on making them more & MORE powerful soez they outlaw them to require a licence.
I wonder how long this can last, does it go all janked up after a year or two?
For the price probably. It's not a truck. If you have a problem you buy a new 30$ part and turn a wrench. Don't cry about it ya know.
i need this bike !!!
How much range can you get? I don't think you mentioned full range.
It’s an e-dirt bike plain and simple. Too many people to think they can just cruise the bike paths and bike lanes with them, saying they are “bikes” because they have worthless bike pedals bolted on them. They are no different than any other off-road only dirt bike.
You’re not wrong
Ugh move around Karen
@@LexyTheEbikeQueen You’re so tough
Don’t be a pansy
Mama raised a sissy eh
I’m in Ebike owner, but I’m sorry, that’s a motorcycle!
Where are those jumps you're hitting in the hills? I hit then some of the same spots, don't know those hills though, and would like to check them out. Newer to the area. Thanks for the video and reviews on some of the others you've posted THTV; Eahora chopper was great!
It looks like a Suron with the full month of aftermarket goodies.
I wanted to bike it now start marketing dude.
I think so❤
Might be time to open a bike shop
Its all fun until its not.
Get some SRAM code 4 pot downhill MTB brakes on there. Paired with the matching rotors with heat dissipation fins and paint they'll stop you and not fade for sure!
What bag do you use? I like that greenish one
Seems pretty expensive to go electric. I’m sure it’s fun doing stop light get aways but that could get pretty old too. You can buy a motorcycle for that kind of money but you obviously would require a proper license and insurance too, depending on where you live.
It is. If you could get a 7kw of power setup for 3k usd or so the moped asia would switch over rather quickly.
My voge er10 electric motorcycle was £3400 and has a peak power output of 14000 watts.
I got a zero fxe and it doesnt' cost much more lol
Dude, 12 kW and ~55 kg, that's a serious motorbike. That's about the same power-to-weight ratio as the old Aprilia RS250 - a 250cc 2-stroke (so similar power to a 400c 4-stroke) - which was a very credible track-bike. The RS250 of course had a *pair* of 280mm discs, with 4-pot calipers on each (it did have more weight to stop - 136 kg or so, with proper racing pipes).
The RS250 could do 0-100 km/h (0-60 mph) in about 3.5s. So I guess your machine is limited there by gearing and wheelbase? 7s is still faster than most cars!
haha love you're analysis. These are all facts. The power to weight ration and instant torque delivery are what makes this bike incredible 😆⚡️🤙
@@TailHappyTV To be honest, this thing shouldn't be on public roads or paths...
Soon as you said do not look that way top secret I knew you also tend to the garden of eden. They shan't see my tomatoes 😂
I’ve got the BAC4000 on my stock 60v, SM wheels, dual caliper for the rear, Blinkers, headlight, horn. Too much fun. I’ve raced motorcycles in everything my whole life. I ride on the street respectfully and haven’t had a problem with the police. There’s a Time and place for everything so don’t do anything stupid in front of people to get noticed. But go crazy when nobody is around. And wear gear. Oh I’m 67. Try to Catch Me, no Way.
I'd love a lightweight EV motorbike to commute on, but have no desire to go above 35-40mph and even that would be in proper PPE.
At 60+ that would be terrifying 😱
You could change the sprockets to lower the top speed.Just have to be even more careful with the throttle, though.
Single gear kills the fun imo. A variator of power transmission like those you find in a moped should be the way to go
How many olympic sized swimming pools is 70 MPH? ;)
Awesome bike and video, man!
Yeah, I got a 6kw e-scooter and everyone asks me who fast it goes. Who cares, its fast enough, and then some. My guess its about 100 km/h, never did more than 80 though, I think, cause its an off road e-scooter so its not very stable at high speeds. I love driving it though and most of the time, I cruise along at about 25-40 km/h. That's more than enough for normal driving. The great thing about it is it climbs and keeps accelerating up any given hill here in Norway and it has a 2 KW/h battery providing me with long range.
Impressive bike but I bet the chain, sprocket and tyre life could be measured in weeks. 😁
😆 you’re not wrong