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Thank you 🙏 even if you had the pedal kit it’s still not a e bike & not legal for the roads . They are the perfect ride for a packed city . I see people in all states riding in the shitys . I get busted for riding way out in the desert . Fuck tyrant pigs 🐷
The point is that the ebike can do thar most motorcycles and cars can't. But now people are crying for it to become ANOTHER motorcycle. When it's not. No cars or motorcycles can take trails or paths not normally taken. You can literally get off and walk with it to get off the saddle and stretch and it wouldn't look out of place. Can't do that on a motorcycle or car. Cars or motrocyles Can't take narrow trails or multi use paths. Cars and motorcycles aren't as slim or as nimble and they take up much less space on the road. Ebikes even with throttle can be and do so much more. But turning it into another electric motorcycle literally neuters it.
@@Mash3OH3 these 40mph+ bikes ruin it for the rest of us though. They are too fast for tight pedestrian/cyclist multipurpose trails and their tiny wheels+massive torque damage and rip up the trails for mountain bike paths. Coming from a emtb owner these should only should be used OHV/ATV trails or streets. Not just for the rider’s safety and enjoyment but for everyone else’s too.
@@hugegoose5004 Sounds like a you problem. I've never seen or experienced any ebike rider do 40mph and up on a public trail. Just cause you have a bias towards them doesn't mean they have to stop using those trails or paths. It's public. In the end it come down to the rider. Personally I don't mind going slow. In fact I like going slow. Slow and controlled movements is just as fun. If I want to go fast I go on the road.
Motorcyclist here. its a motorbike. 100%. And just so you know, your gear is absolutely inadequate for riding and any kind of protection at those speeds. be safe man, no excuses, your brakes are very weak. braking needs to be your top priority on a motorcycle. Looks like a lot of fun! Just remember that when you hit the ground at those speeds you will become a human crayon.
Paraphrased from Zen and the art of Volkswagen Maintenance, "Being able to stop is the most important thing in a car and in life". My first street bike (1982 Yamaha Maxim 400) had very weak brakes. It's whopping 40ish horsepower needed to be planned for in terms of stopping distance, unfortunately.
10k is just insane man, Base Surron light already almost 5k. I got into E bikes to try and save money on fuel. My save some cash plan turned into an expensive hobby quick
Same here 😅 I got a RadWagon for my family, then I got an Ariel Rider for me, and now I just got an Aniokii A8 Pro Max dual motor as my sports car and long-range commuter 🎉
I have a similar build. Thing is an absolute hoot, but the power off the line is something to respect... which I didn't and I smashed myself up pretty good. Back on it after a bit, now on power level 6
i raced a 150cc honda dirt bike around a trials course with some stretches and jumps on my bosses surron and i whooped the dirt bikes a**. they are pretty fun to spin around the corners on the trails they feel light like all the weights on or right under you
This is so true, it is about how you ride not what you ride.❤ WIth these things you can fly under the radar almost everywhere, but you also most definitely can draw attention to you if you are asking for it.
Under UK law, having a twist throttle makes it not a ebike, and not having pedals makes it not an ebike. That makes it illegal. I guess that's why America is the land of the free. Frankly, what you have there is an electric motorcycle with bicycle brakes.
I would definitely upgrade the brakes. Mountain bike brakes are intended to stop 250 pounds from 25 mph, ao they are totally inadequate to stop 350 pounds from 50 mph.
I took my philodo H8 down a long dirt-ish trail, a bit bumpy on some spots lol but 30mph down that was fun, and my ebike before that only had pedal assist and was slower but I took it to our dunes area all along the sandy trails, makes a good workout and a sketchy ride lol
To be honest I enjoyed watching beautiful Santa Monica more than information's in the video. Not that it was boring or something. I love the video. It's just that place can't be beaten... the weather, people, beaches, ocean, houses along the beach.
It’s an e-dirt bike plain and simple. Too many people to think they can just cruise the bike paths and bike lanes with them, saying they are “bikes” because they have worthless bike pedals bolted on them. They are no different than any other off-road only dirt bike.
It's nice, I live in socal too but I can't justify the price tag. You dont need to spend 10k to go 72mph. The ariel x-class 52v (on sale for $1800 right now) and a 5000w conversion kit (about $1000~), plus a second battery (varies) will get you up to around 62mph. This is just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's many other options for the x-class. Those tires arent very fat, either. So, I like it and I appreciate the contribution but I personally wouldn't ride it. And be careful in the city, always assure everyone is an idiot and that there are cops on every corner.
The main difference with the SurRon class bikes are that they can used for proper off roading. Any hub/mid drive ebike wont have the same handling if you're looking for some fun in the woods! Plus there are other similar options now available at 72v out of the box for around $4,500
If you've ever ridden one (I have) just remember it's essentially a 3/4 size bike. Compared to an actual 200cc+ 2stroke dirt bike, it's short wheelbase, small wheels, and won't take the same level of punishment that an actual dirt bike will.
My nephew's fried used to ride a 125cc scooter to work. A bit heavier than your bike, and nowhere near its level of performance. He fell over going round the corner to the road to his house. Sat looking up at the sky for a moment, had a look around, thought "oh, look... my shoe is on the road back there". His foot was still inside his shoe, severed at the ankle. I would hesitate to call you an idiot - you're an adult and you make your own choices. But the brakes on your $10,000 ebike are completely inadequate for something with its level of performance and you aren't wearing safety gear. A motorcycle boot (you ARE riding a motorbike, don't pretend it isn't one) has armour to protect you. No-one who knows how to ride a motorbike would ever ride one in shorts. That's really, really stupid. If you come off that thing at anywhere above 40mph, you will be very lucky if you end up in a wheelchair. People are fragile. Please think about this.
Bro this guy is a 'squid' and unfortunately he's the 'ride unlawfully' type as well, he's just here to make a buck like most youtubers in this space are, consequences be darned.
Hello. How did he come off? Was he speeding? I'm in the UK, I see a lot of people on Scooters not wearing gear. Europe is wild for people not wearing gear. Same as Tawain. Thailand people don't even wear helmets. I just got my Scooter. I wear a Jacket gloves, helmet jeans and steel toe cap boots atm.
@@KrisVickers-wn6dd No, just a wet manhole cover. It was a 30mph area, he wasn't going fast. It's not like he was riding a Fireblade or anything. If he'd been wearing kit like yours he'd still have both of his feet.
@@cdoesthehula I hope so. I don't think I'd wear trainers but even steel toe caps I don't know if are adequate. Sorry to here about your nephews accident.
Sold my $10k sur ron bought a used $8k zero fxs and got plated. Got sick of getting harassed on trails so it was a road only bike and I figured at that point I might as well get a real plated motorcycle
Hmmm It's not wise choice to use bike brakes on motorbike. If you want to have brake wat may be strong enough there is just two options out there. 1. Magura Gustav M ( Very old but still possible to find in good condition) 2. Gator 8 piston insanity ( newer seen one in a wild, probably impossible to get one) Of course need to be paired with good pads and 2.3 mm thick rotors to perform.
China has a liking to use bicycle brakes and suspension, although they make some great knockoff dirt bike brakes and forks and shocks that wouldn't add anymore to the cost. Not sure why Suron and Talaria use bicycle components. The Rawrr Mantis has bicycle brakes but they are a LOT better then our Talaria, not and day...still I think they need to just go to a dirt bike caliper, rotor and levers. Even the Apollo RFN aka Beta Expolrer uses bicycle components. It's an odd China thing, same with using 19" wheels...LOL
@@Meekerextreme well you are right. Author of this video says it has 12kw ( 17 hp) of power...... 50 cc mopeds what has quater of that from factory have better brakes.
I'd love to have something like this to commute on. If the cops saw me riding anything like this on the road where I live, they'd clap me in irons, turbo illegal unless you got it homologated as a motorcycle. Probably also in some places in the US, not sure. But if you mow someone down with this at speed, it would probably have pretty severe legal consequences.
It's illegal in basically any state in usa. However potential fines and payments are much less typically in usa than they would be in say many eu countries where you'd get retro-slapped for insurance, registration, type certifying, fines... and the cops lack training about whats actually legal or illegal too in usa. Goes for modified cars and such too in usa.
I like how he calls the power modes " power assist" like you would on a power assist pedal bike. Unless you are waddling that thing around like a kids balance bike, those aren't " power assist" as they aren't assisting any effort. They are just power modes, same as you find on most modern motorcycles. Calling this thing an ebike is kinda a joke. A bycycle, by definition, has to be pedal driven. This guy has got the same "pedals" i have got on my Tenere 700. Accept i would call them foot pegs. These things are super cool, and i may buy one someday, but as both an avid cyclist and motorcycle rider, i think it's pretty obvious which direction these things lean.
@@zweed69Still per the law it's a motor bike as the power and top speed is too high. What we tell people is you do what you can afford. meaning you get a ticket don't CRY about it you knew it's not legal.
This is not legal to ride on the street in any state with or without drivers license. It is a motorcycle for all intents and purposes that can't be registered because it is not up to DOT standards with inadequate brakes, no signals, mirrors etc.
Re-t-arded world. Europe would require you to have a motocycle license. Humans need a global union that mandates the right to unimpeded travel, abortion and firearms.
It's just a motorcycle with inadequate brakes, put on proper gear when you're above 30mph; this includes full finger gloves, abrasion resistant pants with impact padding for the pelvis (if this bone breaks, and you start bleeding and don't get moved to a trauma center by a very competent paramedic, you will probably die), an impact and abrasion resistant jacket, and a full face helmet. All the gear all the time.
I'm one of the most aware people in the safety department, but even I'll say that you're going overboard. Above 30mph you don't need a full face helmet and full fingered gloves, haha. Come on man. People go faster than that every single day on pedal bikes that aren't powered.
This is not an ebike nor dirtbike, it is an electric motorcycle. As someone who rides, the risk you are taking with these is exponentially higher than with an actual motorcycle. They do not have the same safety features and are not meant to go the speed you take it to.
@@dirtedeuce5936 Not too mention that usually the bicycle suspension and brakes is cheaper and more generic on these then you would find on nice name brand bikes in a bike shop.
Yeah states are going to start making people put plates on bikes like this and pay insurance, have turn signals, inspection etc. Might be 10 years but it will happen.
@@Clearanceman2 With its speed and power it already can't be classified as an E bike, so the only way you can legally ride it basically anywhere public is by going through the process to get it plated as a motorcycle. Basically everything in this video is already technically illegal. I'm not sure what it will look like, but they're definitely going to do something enforcement-wise soon.
Have you considered an additional caliper for the brakes. High performance cars often have two calipers per wheel. I know that’s additional brake pads to replace but would provide additional clamping force
The mounts for brakes on a bicycle are either welded into the frame, or machined in. You can't really change the brake geometry on these designs without alot of machine work
@@TriadAgone you would be surprised how easy either drilling and tapping a bolt hole is if the frame is solid or using a rivet nut insert if it’s hollow is. I’m not saying it would be super easy and would require some fabrication ability but it’s also not rocket surgery.
@0ldGuy the brakes mount on a stand-off, and the forks on alot of bikes are hydroformed aluminum. It wouldn't be super hard but if you're doing all that just swap to a more robust system entirely instead if a bicycle system. At that point you can just buy a bike with the brakes you need on it.
@Old Guy "high performance cars" don't have two calipers used for braking. The second caliper you are referring to is for the E-Brake only and is not used for actual braking when applying the brake pedal.
Not about this bike, but wanted to thank you for the reviews of the Troxus Explorer. I got one, and love it, and the coupon code saved me real dollars. I’m keeping my old Evo Cross for now, but probably not for long.
That's like an off road e-dirt bike, 3000 watts and 70mph....class 3 ebikes tap out at 28mph. In another video a cop asks the rider, 'How many watt motor is that ?' It won't be long that the long arm of the law will be making many more stops.
Going 36mph on a lectric xp 2.0 is scary enough I don’t think I could ever ride anything as light yours or lighter 70mph without getting paranoid. It’s pretty neat though!
For 10,000 smakers I could get a nice used 1200 Kawasaki and have a lot of fun on two wheels and have about 5-6K left over to spend, I would not have to worry about someone snatching it and throwing into their pickup. For sure the ebike is cool and unique and you can get away with riding it in places where you couldn't take a motorcycle but you can't take any passengers and the like weight brakes, bearings and axles might cause a horrible accident. The overall build is lightweight and will fail eventually especially going off road or jumping or running stairs. I see a lot of ebikes catching on fire and that would be a hell of a way to burn 10K because I'm sure its not insured for that amount. Very curious where this sits with regulators... if bike then no license or registration, if a motor vehicle then you need plates, insurance and a driver's license? Pretty wild machine, incredible burnouts too... ride safe man.
Review of a custom electric bike with a 70 mph top speed, upgraded battery and controller, and a $10,000 price tag. Includes a test ride and power assist levels. ✦ Review of a custom electric bike with 70 mph top speed and $10,000 price tag 00:01 ✦ Explaining the power assist levels on an e-bike 01:03 ✦ The bike's modifications and features 02:10 ✦ Riding the electric bike is fun and requires effort 03:40 ✦ Review of an e-bike with a top speed of 40 mph 04:58 ✦ Riding technique matters more than location 06:38 ✦ This bike is expensive and has downsides 08:14 ✦ The e-bike is powerful but dangerous Click to expand 09:17
It actually makes sense though. I cycle through the city on an actual bike. Having people zoom through on these in a bike lane is dangerous for cyclists and oncoming pedestrians.
Politicians are working on cracking down on all legit class 1-3 ebikes because shit like this is pushing the limit. They make electric motorycles that can be registered. This is an electric motorcycle with bicycle parts that can never be registered because its missing basic safety equipment like mirrors and lights.
I was looking at getting the Lightbee X recently but for my usage an eMTB made more sense so went that route instead. The Lightbee is a motorbike, no question. But the fact that it's almost a bicycle in terms of size and looks still has me very interested. Where I am a motorbike license is required plus registration to ride it on the roads so that was the deciding factor against it for me.
I found a ebike that is nothing like this and impressive(but nothing like his) but what I wanted was to look like a bike. undercover. lol The moped style ebikes look like minibike in my era and a dead giveaway. way cooling looking in my eyes. The one I got was also reviewed on his channel. But his is older and they upgraded them alot but basically same power train.
Dude, 12 kW and ~55 kg, that's a serious motorbike. That's about the same power-to-weight ratio as the old Aprilia RS250 - a 250cc 2-stroke (so similar power to a 400c 4-stroke) - which was a very credible track-bike. The RS250 of course had a *pair* of 280mm discs, with 4-pot calipers on each (it did have more weight to stop - 136 kg or so, with proper racing pipes).
The RS250 could do 0-100 km/h (0-60 mph) in about 3.5s. So I guess your machine is limited there by gearing and wheelbase? 7s is still faster than most cars!
You paid 10 K for that! You could buy a nice Ducati for way less than that. Ya that's it, keep on making them more & MORE powerful soez they outlaw them to require a licence.
They already have outlawed them ….maybe not in California but almost all states legal e bike limit is 28 mph and has to be pedal assisted …no fixed pegs ….a suron and a talaria are just electric dirt bikes ….i tried riding my friends talaria and didn’t make it more than three miles before the cops took it …
So inspiring! Just saw this as I'm adding a 8kW QS273 to my fat bike. If I show up on a Sur Ron, I'd never be able to be near a bike path. What controller are you using? Ahh - BAC4000..found it on the other video. Cool.
I’ve got the BAC4000 on my stock 60v, SM wheels dual caliper for the rear. Blinkers, headlight, horn . Too much fun. I’ve raced motorcycles in everything my whole life. I ride on the street respectfully and haven’t had a problem with the police. There’s a Time and place for everything so don’t do anything stupid in front of people to get noticed. But go crazy when nobody is around.And wear gear. Oh I’m 67, Try to Catch Me, no way.
I saw your video for the first time and you're discussing about downfalls on this e-bike I agree no pedals on the E bike which everybody should have because of not looks what happens the end of walking far away to get to your location where you first started tell the smart thing is when you buy another bike make sure you have pedals on it so you can pedal home in case of emergencies go figure likewise good day and good luck to the next video if you get it another bike.
I will never stop comparing to my old 2013 KTM 450 exc that I paid $7500 for. I am just going to say at the start of this video I looked at the connecting point of the wheel hub and the thickness of that swing arm and it is so skinny looking compared to that 250 pound KTM I used to ride up to 80 mph on. I still would like to try that and look it over closely.
I stopped riding KTM because this stuff really does tare up the body even if you do not crash them. I mean I used to ride on rocky mountains that beat you hard on the knees and back. I even rim pinched and got a flat, and that taught me you better keep that air pressure over 30 psi. or 60 for a mountain bike.
Also, the noise from the motor noise from the KTM really is an issue, you can't hide and it will increase cops being called for noise complaints. There are signs on parts of the trail telling people to keep the noise down, and locals are fighting hard to have the trail shut down, the one at Edinburg Gap Virginia. I wish I had smooth trails around here.
Thats a motorcycle bro. You put a motor on a bike powered by anything other than legs and its now a motor-cycle. It's an important distinction to make and it needs to just be made so people arent taking these things out on dual-purpose trails.
really been enjoying your show. I cant wait to get one. Been riding bikes forever, did my first century when I was like 14 years old, but I never was allowed when I was younger to get anything with a motor, so I really cant wait :)
Seems pretty expensive to go electric. I’m sure it’s fun doing stop light get aways but that could get pretty old too. You can buy a motorcycle for that kind of money but you obviously would require a proper license and insurance too, depending on where you live.
The NEW E-RIDE-PRO SS will KILL this as it HAS Already got everything you will WANT to put on a standard SURRON/TALARIA. I;m in UK and just Ordered My E-RIDE PRO SS At a Bargain price from my Local MX Dealer.
I can confirm at max settings the bike broke my friends colar bone in half. When he flew 0- to 60 in 4 seconds right into the side of my garage door. After a panic throttle in the driveway.
For those who want the bike it’s called the Surron X although I recommend the erode pro s or the ss. If you want to upgrade it to hell go for the surron
These bikes are cool but they aren't legal to ride on the street pretty much anywhere in the US they are basically light electric motorcycles similar to a 110cc stock. That's why I never really wanted to buy one. Sure in some arias you can get away with riding one but all it takes is that one cop that stops you and you're done. You now have the very real possibility of your $4400 bike being confiscated and destroyed as well as a court date.
@@craigchenery604 Right......If you don't have the peddle kit it's no longer a bicycle and the peddle kit is an absolute joke. Let's not play dumb here this thing is not an E Bike never has been most cops don't see it as one either.
Sir it doesn't matter no one is going to ride this thing in a class 3 configuration no one. Sooner or later you're going to get in trouble with the cops on this thing let's just agree to disagree. I've already seen people pulled over on this thing several times.
Those type of bikes seem to be proliferating. I'd be worried that the law will be more strictly applied in the future but maybe not. I got a brand new Husqvarna Vitpilen 401 motorcycle last October. It was $5399.
@@godsstreetmessenger2839 Electric motorcycles cannot be "driven" without engaging the electric motor. You could coast downhill, though. You can pedal an ebike and propel yourself without using the motor. Different laws apply to each.
I ride one of these all the time I don't even need a full motorcycle license and have been for the last 2 years the police go straight by me no questions asked they always look but aren't bothered. Great bicycle.
depending on the state, they can still impound it unless you have it registered as a moped through the DMV. although the chances of it getting impounded are lessened if you hold a valid moped (M2) license
@@dzonib1 you can take long trips on a motorcycle and get on the highway with a motorcycle as well. This thing is in a very weird space. It’s too overpowered to be a “bicycle” and you’re not peddling. But it’s not safe enough or doesn’t have enough range to be ridden like a motorcycle.
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Your insane for getting in an elevator with that thing
It seems powerful enough to be highway legal. It's definitely not really a bicycle at this point; just an electric dirt motorbike.
To be on the highway for 10minutes before being dead battery
Thank you 🙏 even if you had the pedal kit it’s still not a e bike & not legal for the roads . They are the perfect ride for a packed city . I see people in all states riding in the shitys . I get busted for riding way out in the desert . Fuck tyrant pigs 🐷
The point is that the ebike can do thar most motorcycles and cars can't.
But now people are crying for it to become ANOTHER motorcycle.
When it's not. No cars or motorcycles can take trails or paths not normally taken.
You can literally get off and walk with it to get off the saddle and stretch and it wouldn't look out of place. Can't do that on a motorcycle or car.
Cars or motrocyles Can't take narrow trails or multi use paths.
Cars and motorcycles aren't as slim or as nimble and they take up much less space on the road.
Ebikes even with throttle can be and do so much more.
But turning it into another electric motorcycle literally neuters it.
@@Mash3OH3 these 40mph+ bikes ruin it for the rest of us though. They are too fast for tight pedestrian/cyclist multipurpose trails and their tiny wheels+massive torque damage and rip up the trails for mountain bike paths.
Coming from a emtb owner these should only should be used OHV/ATV trails or streets. Not just for the rider’s safety and enjoyment but for everyone else’s too.
@@hugegoose5004
Sounds like a you problem. I've never seen or experienced any ebike rider do 40mph and up on a public trail.
Just cause you have a bias towards them doesn't mean they have to stop using those trails or paths. It's public.
In the end it come down to the rider. Personally I don't mind going slow. In fact I like going slow. Slow and controlled movements is just as fun.
If I want to go fast I go on the road.
Motorcyclist here. its a motorbike. 100%. And just so you know, your gear is absolutely inadequate for riding and any kind of protection at those speeds. be safe man, no excuses, your brakes are very weak. braking needs to be your top priority on a motorcycle.
Looks like a lot of fun! Just remember that when you hit the ground at those speeds you will become a human crayon.
I have a feeling he never goes that fast. But could
Agatt.
Paraphrased from Zen and the art of Volkswagen Maintenance, "Being able to stop is the most important thing in a car and in life".
My first street bike (1982 Yamaha Maxim 400) had very weak brakes. It's whopping 40ish horsepower needed to be planned for in terms of stopping distance, unfortunately.
Only the 93 -94 matter
It's not a "motorbike" it doesn't even have a traditional motor that gas bikes have. It's an "E-Bike" by definition
10k is just insane man, Base Surron light already almost 5k. I got into E bikes to try and save money on fuel. My save some cash plan turned into an expensive hobby quick
ahhahhah true
you can upgrade them for 2k people just get ripped off
1k on facebook marketplace.
Same here 😅 I got a RadWagon for my family, then I got an Ariel Rider for me, and now I just got an Aniokii A8 Pro Max dual motor as my sports car and long-range commuter 🎉
I have a similar build. Thing is an absolute hoot, but the power off the line is something to respect... which I didn't and I smashed myself up pretty good. Back on it after a bit, now on power level 6
i raced a 150cc honda dirt bike around a trials course with some stretches and jumps on my bosses surron and i whooped the dirt bikes a**. they are pretty fun to spin around the corners on the trails they feel light like all the weights on or right under you
This is so true, it is about how you ride not what you ride.❤
WIth these things you can fly under the radar almost everywhere, but you also most definitely can draw attention to you if you are asking for it.
if you are not asking fro it??? look at this thing! It screams "Look At Meeeeeeeeee"
@@Psyt0sasking 4 it in Portland is riding these on bike path
Oh hell no way$10,000!!!!???!!¡!!!¡!!!! Uh i would definitely take that $10,000 and get a bad ass motorcycle!!
Under UK law, having a twist throttle makes it not a ebike, and not having pedals makes it not an ebike. That makes it illegal. I guess that's why America is the land of the free.
Frankly, what you have there is an electric motorcycle with bicycle brakes.
Its a class 3 ebike, until you remove the limiter.
I would definitely upgrade the brakes. Mountain bike brakes are intended to stop 250 pounds from 25 mph, ao they are totally inadequate to stop 350 pounds from 50 mph.
Yeah the brakes should absolutely be swapped w these typa builds
Double the speed increases energy by 4X for a given mass.
My mate has one of these, you definitely dont want to take it highway speeds but taking it on trails is the most fun ive had on a bike in a while
I took my philodo H8 down a long dirt-ish trail, a bit bumpy on some spots lol but 30mph down that was fun, and my ebike before that only had pedal assist and was slower but I took it to our dunes area all along the sandy trails, makes a good workout and a sketchy ride lol
00:10 video may as well have ended here for me 😂
LOLLLLL Yeh, No kidding😅
Definitely a motorcycle lol. At least according to the cops. I could never ride that on the street in my town. Nice wheelies!!
thanks for watching
@@TailHappyTV great content!
Where are you from?
is not about the speed and the range, its the tires and the brakes you'll see people prioritizing after many learning experiences.
To be honest I enjoyed watching beautiful Santa Monica more than information's in the video. Not that it was boring or something. I love the video. It's just that place can't be beaten... the weather, people, beaches, ocean, houses along the beach.
come back for more 😆
this is an electric motor bike, an ebike has pedal dive - 2 very differed units
Editing, speed & talk through was spot on lad! Much love from Scotland! 👍
If it doesn't have pedals, it's a motorbike.
Its a motorbike powered with a battery instead of petrol/gas.
It’s an e-dirt bike plain and simple. Too many people to think they can just cruise the bike paths and bike lanes with them, saying they are “bikes” because they have worthless bike pedals bolted on them. They are no different than any other off-road only dirt bike.
You’re not wrong
Ugh move around Karen
@@LexyTheEbikeQueen You’re so tough
Don’t be a pansy
Mama raised a sissy eh
It's nice, I live in socal too but I can't justify the price tag. You dont need to spend 10k to go 72mph. The ariel x-class 52v (on sale for $1800 right now) and a 5000w conversion kit (about $1000~), plus a second battery (varies) will get you up to around 62mph. This is just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's many other options for the x-class. Those tires arent very fat, either. So, I like it and I appreciate the contribution but I personally wouldn't ride it. And be careful in the city, always assure everyone is an idiot and that there are cops on every corner.
The main difference with the SurRon class bikes are that they can used for proper off roading. Any hub/mid drive ebike wont have the same handling if you're looking for some fun in the woods! Plus there are other similar options now available at 72v out of the box for around $4,500
This ebike sure needs dual front disc brakes.
This motorcycle needs a front disc brake and caliper sized for a motorcycle of its speed and weight.
If you've ever ridden one (I have) just remember it's essentially a 3/4 size bike. Compared to an actual 200cc+ 2stroke dirt bike, it's short wheelbase, small wheels, and won't take the same level of punishment that an actual dirt bike will.
My nephew's fried used to ride a 125cc scooter to work. A bit heavier than your bike, and nowhere near its level of performance.
He fell over going round the corner to the road to his house. Sat looking up at the sky for a moment, had a look around, thought "oh, look... my shoe is on the road back there".
His foot was still inside his shoe, severed at the ankle.
I would hesitate to call you an idiot - you're an adult and you make your own choices. But the brakes on your $10,000 ebike are completely inadequate for something with its level of performance and you aren't wearing safety gear. A motorcycle boot (you ARE riding a motorbike, don't pretend it isn't one) has armour to protect you. No-one who knows how to ride a motorbike would ever ride one in shorts. That's really, really stupid.
If you come off that thing at anywhere above 40mph, you will be very lucky if you end up in a wheelchair. People are fragile.
Please think about this.
The more people share stories online the more you desensitize people and make your intended audience not give a shit
Bro this guy is a 'squid' and unfortunately he's the 'ride unlawfully' type as well, he's just here to make a buck like most youtubers in this space are, consequences be darned.
Hello.
How did he come off? Was he speeding?
I'm in the UK, I see a lot of people on Scooters not wearing gear.
Europe is wild for people not wearing gear. Same as Tawain. Thailand people don't even wear helmets.
I just got my Scooter. I wear a Jacket gloves, helmet jeans and steel toe cap boots atm.
@@KrisVickers-wn6dd No, just a wet manhole cover. It was a 30mph area, he wasn't going fast. It's not like he was riding a Fireblade or anything.
If he'd been wearing kit like yours he'd still have both of his feet.
@@cdoesthehula I hope so. I don't think I'd wear trainers but even steel toe caps I don't know if are adequate.
Sorry to here about your nephews accident.
Sold my $10k sur ron bought a used $8k zero fxs and got plated. Got sick of getting harassed on trails so it was a road only bike and I figured at that point I might as well get a real plated motorcycle
What would you compare the sur ron to when it comes to combustion bikes?
Hmmm
It's not wise choice to use bike brakes on motorbike.
If you want to have brake wat may be strong enough there is just two options out there.
1. Magura Gustav M ( Very old but still possible to find in good condition)
2. Gator 8 piston insanity ( newer seen one in a wild, probably impossible to get one)
Of course need to be paired with good pads and 2.3 mm thick rotors to perform.
China has a liking to use bicycle brakes and suspension, although they make some great knockoff dirt bike brakes and forks and shocks that wouldn't add anymore to the cost. Not sure why Suron and Talaria use bicycle components. The Rawrr Mantis has bicycle brakes but they are a LOT better then our Talaria, not and day...still I think they need to just go to a dirt bike caliper, rotor and levers. Even the Apollo RFN aka Beta Expolrer uses bicycle components. It's an odd China thing, same with using 19" wheels...LOL
@@Meekerextreme well you are right.
Author of this video says it has 12kw ( 17 hp) of power...... 50 cc mopeds what has quater of that from factory have better brakes.
That's fast dude, 60mph is more than enough for a "bike" :))
I'd love to have something like this to commute on. If the cops saw me riding anything like this on the road where I live, they'd clap me in irons, turbo illegal unless you got it homologated as a motorcycle. Probably also in some places in the US, not sure. But if you mow someone down with this at speed, it would probably have pretty severe legal consequences.
I rode past about 10 cops today 😆
It's illegal in basically any state in usa.
However potential fines and payments are much less typically in usa than they would be in say many eu countries where you'd get retro-slapped for insurance, registration, type certifying, fines... and the cops lack training about whats actually legal or illegal too in usa.
Goes for modified cars and such too in usa.
If you hit someone, you are going to learn the difference between an Accident and Vehicular Homicide.
Assuming someone dies
At 70 ?@@TailHappyTV
@@epiphonium why would he be on the sidewalk at 70? how??
I like how he calls the power modes " power assist" like you would on a power assist pedal bike. Unless you are waddling that thing around like a kids balance bike, those aren't " power assist" as they aren't assisting any effort. They are just power modes, same as you find on most modern motorcycles. Calling this thing an ebike is kinda a joke. A bycycle, by definition, has to be pedal driven. This guy has got the same "pedals" i have got on my Tenere 700. Accept i would call them foot pegs. These things are super cool, and i may buy one someday, but as both an avid cyclist and motorcycle rider, i think it's pretty obvious which direction these things lean.
haha I intentionally said "power assist" tongue in cheek instead of "pedal assist" in my normal regal ebike reviews
you can actually put a 'pedal kit' on the surron so technically its a push bike then 😂
@@zweed69Still per the law it's a motor bike as the power and top speed is too high. What we tell people is you do what you can afford. meaning you get a ticket don't CRY about it you knew it's not legal.
@@Meekerextreme maybe where you live....
lmao the wheelie crash got me rolling
What a weapon of a bike!
I want one bad!!!
My motorbikes will disown me though!!!
I wouldn't be surprised if some states would pass a law requiring you to have a Driver's License to drive these type of e bikes
Yeah f those states.
This is not legal to ride on the street in any state with or without drivers license. It is a motorcycle for all intents and purposes that can't be registered because it is not up to DOT standards with inadequate brakes, no signals, mirrors etc.
Re-t-arded world. Europe would require you to have a motocycle license. Humans need a global union that mandates the right to unimpeded travel, abortion and firearms.
You were riding WAY too fast on that Santa Barbara beach trail !!
It's just a motorcycle with inadequate brakes, put on proper gear when you're above 30mph; this includes full finger gloves, abrasion resistant pants with impact padding for the pelvis (if this bone breaks, and you start bleeding and don't get moved to a trauma center by a very competent paramedic, you will probably die), an impact and abrasion resistant jacket, and a full face helmet.
All the gear all the time.
I'm one of the most aware people in the safety department, but even I'll say that you're going overboard. Above 30mph you don't need a full face helmet and full fingered gloves, haha. Come on man. People go faster than that every single day on pedal bikes that aren't powered.
Awesome video...$10k!?! 😱 💰
This is not an ebike nor dirtbike, it is an electric motorcycle. As someone who rides, the risk you are taking with these is exponentially higher than with an actual motorcycle. They do not have the same safety features and are not meant to go the speed you take it to.
Was goin to type pretty much teh same thing... The shocks and the brakes are for a MTN not a EMoto
@@dirtedeuce5936 Not too mention that usually the bicycle suspension and brakes is cheaper and more generic on these then you would find on nice name brand bikes in a bike shop.
So glad to see you back on the "RON"
That’s a lot of potential terminal velocity while whirring along sidewalks and bike paths. Yikes!
Kinetic energy
Front brake needs to be a small motorcycle brake disc and caliper set up.Great video. Unreal fun bike.
So, its worth it if you got the cash. Looks super fun. I enjoy my bafang on my specialized rockhopper, you should build one of those 😎
I have built one of those, great motor, actually put a build video on this channel in 2016 with the bbshd
@@TailHappyTV honestly I probably saw it, haha. Awesome videos!
Surron more like an electric motorcycle ❤❤❤
Looks fun as hell, but it kinda seems like it doesn't really fit in anywhere. I sense a crackdown coming, or some changes in legislation.
Yeah states are going to start making people put plates on bikes like this and pay insurance, have turn signals, inspection etc. Might be 10 years but it will happen.
@@Clearanceman2 With its speed and power it already can't be classified as an E bike, so the only way you can legally ride it basically anywhere public is by going through the process to get it plated as a motorcycle. Basically everything in this video is already technically illegal. I'm not sure what it will look like, but they're definitely going to do something enforcement-wise soon.
Agree
Ggree @@iPig
Thanks!
wow, thank you!
Incredible E-Bike and video. Is this bike and upgrades available in Canada?
Have you considered an additional caliper for the brakes. High performance cars often have two calipers per wheel. I know that’s additional brake pads to replace but would provide additional clamping force
Or just plain bigger brakes. More complex with more rather than bigger.
The mounts for brakes on a bicycle are either welded into the frame, or machined in. You can't really change the brake geometry on these designs without alot of machine work
@@TriadAgone you would be surprised how easy either drilling and tapping a bolt hole is if the frame is solid or using a rivet nut insert if it’s hollow is. I’m not saying it would be super easy and would require some fabrication ability but it’s also not rocket surgery.
@0ldGuy the brakes mount on a stand-off, and the forks on alot of bikes are hydroformed aluminum. It wouldn't be super hard but if you're doing all that just swap to a more robust system entirely instead if a bicycle system. At that point you can just buy a bike with the brakes you need on it.
@Old Guy "high performance cars" don't have two calipers used for braking. The second caliper you are referring to is for the E-Brake only and is not used for actual braking when applying the brake pedal.
A bike that fast really should not have "horrible" brakes.
Not about this bike, but wanted to thank you for the reviews of the Troxus Explorer. I got one, and love it, and the coupon code saved me real dollars. I’m keeping my old Evo Cross for now, but probably not for long.
Happy to hear you’re loving it! Thanks for using my coupon code too! Enjoy!
I got one too, loving it.
Awesome! Happy riding :D
That's like an off road e-dirt bike, 3000 watts and 70mph....class 3 ebikes tap out at 28mph. In another video a cop asks the rider, 'How many watt motor is that ?' It won't be long that the long arm of the law will be making many more stops.
Will Anyone else here be surprised at all when this dude gets flattened by a truck as he's flying around traffic like this?
I don't think anyone will be surprised, but if it happens I hope its by whistlin diesel in the MonsterMax or the Tank
Motorcycles are the most fun you can have on two wheels. This is pretty neat though.
Wow. Speechless. I love ur videos
Going 36mph on a lectric xp 2.0 is scary enough I don’t think I could ever ride anything as light yours or lighter 70mph without getting paranoid. It’s pretty neat though!
For 10,000 smakers I could get a nice used 1200 Kawasaki and have a lot of fun on two wheels and have about 5-6K left over to spend, I would not have to worry about someone snatching it and throwing into their pickup. For sure the ebike is cool and unique and you can get away with riding it in places where you couldn't take a motorcycle but you can't take any passengers and the like weight brakes, bearings and axles might cause a horrible accident. The overall build is lightweight and will fail eventually especially going off road or jumping or running stairs. I see a lot of ebikes catching on fire and that would be a hell of a way to burn 10K because I'm sure its not insured for that amount. Very curious where this sits with regulators... if bike then no license or registration, if a motor vehicle then you need plates, insurance and a driver's license? Pretty wild machine, incredible burnouts too... ride safe man.
Review of a custom electric bike with a 70 mph top speed, upgraded battery and controller, and a $10,000 price tag. Includes a test ride and power assist levels.
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This bike is expensive and has downsides
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The e-bike is powerful but dangerous
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Politicians are already working on reclassification of them to be considered as motorcycles due to the high speeds
It actually makes sense though. I cycle through the city on an actual bike. Having people zoom through on these in a bike lane is dangerous for cyclists and oncoming pedestrians.
Politicians are working on cracking down on all legit class 1-3 ebikes because shit like this is pushing the limit. They make electric motorycles that can be registered. This is an electric motorcycle with bicycle parts that can never be registered because its missing basic safety equipment like mirrors and lights.
I was looking at getting the Lightbee X recently but for my usage an eMTB made more sense so went that route instead. The Lightbee is a motorbike, no question. But the fact that it's almost a bicycle in terms of size and looks still has me very interested. Where I am a motorbike license is required plus registration to ride it on the roads so that was the deciding factor against it for me.
I found a ebike that is nothing like this and impressive(but nothing like his) but what I wanted was to look like a bike. undercover. lol The moped style ebikes look like minibike in my era and a dead giveaway. way cooling looking in my eyes. The one I got was also reviewed on his channel. But his is older and they upgraded them alot but basically same power train.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong about the sprocket. Going down would raise the top speed. Going up in size would increase the torque.
I might have said it wrong, went from 54t to 58t for more acceleration
This is a motorcycle, full stop. Licence, insurance. Roads only.
I bought my used 2018 HD Sport Glide with a 107 CI motor for 10k in December 2022. 15k miles on it. This thing is far too expensive for what it is.
I wanted to bike it now start marketing dude.
I think so❤
Might be time to open a bike shop
That thing moves!
It’s a little extra 😆
Dude, 12 kW and ~55 kg, that's a serious motorbike. That's about the same power-to-weight ratio as the old Aprilia RS250 - a 250cc 2-stroke (so similar power to a 400c 4-stroke) - which was a very credible track-bike. The RS250 of course had a *pair* of 280mm discs, with 4-pot calipers on each (it did have more weight to stop - 136 kg or so, with proper racing pipes).
The RS250 could do 0-100 km/h (0-60 mph) in about 3.5s. So I guess your machine is limited there by gearing and wheelbase? 7s is still faster than most cars!
haha love you're analysis. These are all facts. The power to weight ration and instant torque delivery are what makes this bike incredible 😆⚡️🤙
@@TailHappyTV To be honest, this thing shouldn't be on public roads or paths...
What a bad ass bike! I didn't know you had another channel. I will definitely check it out!
knowing you're a gt500 dude, you might like the high powered stuff a bit more 🤙
@@TailHappyTV I do like power, and had a sportbike, but that bike is very scary 😮!! What an incredible machine though, love it!!
You paid 10 K for that! You could buy a nice Ducati for way less than that. Ya that's it, keep on making them more & MORE powerful soez they outlaw them to require a licence.
They already have outlawed them ….maybe not in California but almost all states legal e bike limit is 28 mph and has to be pedal assisted …no fixed pegs ….a suron and a talaria are just electric dirt bikes ….i tried riding my friends talaria and didn’t make it more than three miles before the cops took it …
@@darshyvids4165 all you gotta do put pedals on them and that makes it more stable feeling
At least for $10k you can get a bike that sounds like a motorcycle on helium.
So inspiring! Just saw this as I'm adding a 8kW QS273 to my fat bike. If I show up on a Sur Ron, I'd never be able to be near a bike path. What controller are you using? Ahh - BAC4000..found it on the other video. Cool.
Make sure your rims n frame are rated for that, otherwise I'm jelly 🤩
a QS273 is probably more power than you need this bike comes with what is basically a 138 and it can go 15kw @ 72v safe
I’ve got the BAC4000 on my stock 60v, SM wheels dual caliper for the rear. Blinkers, headlight, horn . Too much fun. I’ve raced motorcycles in everything my whole life. I ride on the street respectfully and haven’t had a problem with the police. There’s a Time and place for everything so don’t do anything stupid in front of people to get noticed. But go crazy when nobody is around.And wear gear. Oh I’m 67, Try to Catch Me, no way.
I saw your video for the first time and you're discussing about downfalls on this e-bike I agree no pedals on the E bike which everybody should have because of not looks what happens the end of walking far away to get to your location where you first started tell the smart thing is when you buy another bike make sure you have pedals on it so you can pedal home in case of emergencies go figure likewise good day and good luck to the next video if you get it another bike.
10k price tag 😭💀💀
Legend has it there’s 7 phases to this rabbit hole 🐇 🕳️
I will never stop comparing to my old 2013 KTM 450 exc that I paid $7500 for. I am just going to say at the start of this video I looked at the connecting point of the wheel hub and the thickness of that swing arm and it is so skinny looking compared to that 250 pound KTM I used to ride up to 80 mph on. I still would like to try that and look it over closely.
I stopped riding KTM because this stuff really does tare up the body even if you do not crash them. I mean I used to ride on rocky mountains that beat you hard on the knees and back. I even rim pinched and got a flat, and that taught me you better keep that air pressure over 30 psi. or 60 for a mountain bike.
Also, the noise from the motor noise from the KTM really is an issue, you can't hide and it will increase cops being called for noise complaints. There are signs on parts of the trail telling people to keep the noise down, and locals are fighting hard to have the trail shut down, the one at Edinburg Gap Virginia. I wish I had smooth trails around here.
Thats a motorcycle bro. You put a motor on a bike powered by anything other than legs and its now a motor-cycle. It's an important distinction to make and it needs to just be made so people arent taking these things out on dual-purpose trails.
really been enjoying your show. I cant wait to get one. Been riding bikes forever, did my first century when I was like 14 years old, but I never was allowed when I was younger to get anything with a motor, so I really cant wait :)
Good to see that you are using the phone mount with E-motorcycle :)
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That's not a Ebike, it's a motorcycle.
Do one with a heavy person and see if the speed stays the same or it is reduced
Coll bike. Much better than an old fashioned moped.
Seems pretty expensive to go electric. I’m sure it’s fun doing stop light get aways but that could get pretty old too. You can buy a motorcycle for that kind of money but you obviously would require a proper license and insurance too, depending on where you live.
It is. If you could get a 7kw of power setup for 3k usd or so the moped asia would switch over rather quickly.
My voge er10 electric motorcycle was £3400 and has a peak power output of 14000 watts.
I got a zero fxe and it doesnt' cost much more lol
The NEW E-RIDE-PRO SS will KILL this as it HAS Already got everything you will WANT to put on a standard SURRON/TALARIA. I;m in UK and just Ordered My E-RIDE PRO SS At a Bargain price from my Local MX Dealer.
I wonder how long this can last, does it go all janked up after a year or two?
For the price probably. It's not a truck. If you have a problem you buy a new 30$ part and turn a wrench. Don't cry about it ya know.
It stopped being a bicycle for me as soon as you removed the pedals xD
Look very nice. Looking forward to placing it on my 2 Australian sheperds in the nature
This is closer to a motorcycle. Having Mtb brakes on it is probably going to be the death of people.
If you ever decide to get rid of it, I have probably the most mint Yamaha YSR converted to 80cc that you will ever see
Single gear kills the fun imo. A variator of power transmission like those you find in a moped should be the way to go
Jesus, doesn't anyone just peddle anymore? It's good for you.
Impressive bike but I bet the chain, sprocket and tyre life could be measured in weeks. 😁
😆 you’re not wrong
I can confirm at max settings the bike broke my friends colar bone in half. When he flew 0- to 60 in 4 seconds right into the side of my garage door. After a panic throttle in the driveway.
Thats Rock and Roll Baby
handlebar single sided extension
An e-bike feels like half a motorcycle and a bicycle
For those who want the bike it’s called the Surron X although I recommend the erode pro s or the ss. If you want to upgrade it to hell go for the surron
Future government: "It's a tractor trailer, because the wheels are round. Need a Class A license to operate.
10,000$ for that!? insane.
These bikes are cool but they aren't legal to ride on the street pretty much anywhere in the US they are basically light electric motorcycles similar to a 110cc stock. That's why I never really wanted to buy one. Sure in some arias you can get away with riding one but all it takes is that one cop that stops you and you're done. You now have the very real possibility of your $4400 bike being confiscated and destroyed as well as a court date.
It's a class 2 ebike in ny just dont speed
@@craigchenery604 Right......If you don't have the peddle kit it's no longer a bicycle and the peddle kit is an absolute joke. Let's not play dumb here this thing is not an E Bike never has been most cops don't see it as one either.
@@zeppast wrong again .throttle assist only is legal as long as it doesn't go over 20 mph in ny .called the 3 class system
@@zeppast moped and scooter have no peddles but can be driven u make no sense just spreading false info
Sir it doesn't matter no one is going to ride this thing in a class 3 configuration no one. Sooner or later you're going to get in trouble with the cops on this thing let's just agree to disagree. I've already seen people pulled over on this thing several times.
Nice bike but for 10k I would rather get a 'ICE' motorcycle
Makes sense for most people, I agree
Those type of bikes seem to be proliferating. I'd be worried that the law will be more strictly applied in the future but maybe not. I got a brand new Husqvarna Vitpilen 401 motorcycle last October. It was $5399.
Yeah, rules will be applied more harshly with these available.
Having this video title and thumbnail doesn't help the cause.
There are DIY guys putting 8000 watt motors on mountain bike frames, and reaching 100MPH! Talk about death traps.
Why are you calling this an ebike when it's an electric motorcycle?
Dirtbike
Electricbike
common sense
🤫 e-bike 🤐
E bike. No electric motorcycle
Isnt every ebike an electric motorcycle? Surely any motorised bike is a ' motorcycle' or am i missing something?
@@godsstreetmessenger2839 Electric motorcycles cannot be "driven" without engaging the electric motor. You could coast downhill, though. You can pedal an ebike and propel yourself without using the motor. Different laws apply to each.
I ride one of these all the time I don't even need a full motorcycle license and have been for the last 2 years the police go straight by me no questions asked they always look but aren't bothered. Great bicycle.
depending on the state, they can still impound it unless you have it registered as a moped through the DMV. although the chances of it getting impounded are lessened if you hold a valid moped (M2) license
$10k for a bike that maybe hits 70mp for maybe 60 miles is ridiculous.
Doesn't belong in the bike lane, nor on a beach bike-path, nor pretty much anywhere you're riding it.
Cool opinion
These things are the modern day choppers.
Just get a motorcycle
They will be way heavier, way less maneuverable, and way more expensive to maintain
also you cant go everywhere with a motorcycle as you can with this bike.
@@dzonib1 you can take long trips on a motorcycle and get on the highway with a motorcycle as well. This thing is in a very weird space. It’s too overpowered to be a “bicycle” and you’re not peddling. But it’s not safe enough or doesn’t have enough range to be ridden like a motorcycle.