Attack on Titan 4x20 "Memories of the Future" REACTION
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FINALLY OH MY GOD
I’m so so so excited for death note
Hope to get code geass in future also haha
Code geass would be nice. Also jujutsu kaisen reaction after demon slayer would be great
Are they reading the comments or they're just ignoring it for better experience?
@@abuubkr.e9952 i think only hisu is reading them. Never seen them answer. only Hisu so. I think it’s better atleast they won’t get spoiled.
Grisha's voice actor went all out in this scene.
Grisha VA always in OT
Agree
That scene was a masterpiece honestly
グリシャの声優はCarsのLightning McQueenの日本語バージョンの声優と同じ人です。
@@user-mz5lw1ox9 へー、私は海外人だから、それを知りませんでした
So I'm pretty sure when he kissed Historia's hand at the end of season 3, the reason his face looked so contorted and horrified (as we also saw again in Mappa's own stlye in this episode) was because Eren saw Grisha's memory of receiving future Eren's memory of future Eren talking to Grisha in the paths while viewing Grisha's memory of that same day. So the fact that Eren was able to get into the Paths is what makes this cyclical bootstrap paradox. Eren can remember previous Attack Titans' memories, and if future Eren sent his own memories into the past Attack Titans, then that becomes a past memory as well, which would then allow past Eren to see his own future memories, thus allowing him to see the future.
At this point, the only question left in my mind is WHICH memories has Eren sent back from the future, WHO did he send each one to, and which ones has he HIMSELF now seen in retrospect? I think the reason that he's sometimes cocky and sometimes flustered is because he himself only knows the outcome, but not necessarily every step to get there. So when he saw Gabi aiming that rifle, that was something he hadn't seen yet, so he was shocked. In fact, he seemed shocked that Marley was attacking them at all, so that whole battle he likely didn't know the outcome of. All he knew was that somehow he and Zeke were destined to touch, so he had to "keep moving forward" as it were. He got so angry during that fight, I think, because his own lack of knowledge. He knows he's going to win, but the Marleyans kept getting in his way, so he was basically like "don't you know who I am? Why are you ants fighting against ME?"
oh the second part of your comment is great, i didn't think about it, thank you.
@@izrael820delete it asap. Part of your question can be answered but you’ll be spoiled
Eren is only seeing 19yro Erens memories because they are his dad's memories which they all share. Technically Eren js seeing his future but not by his own will its simply his dad remembering that he can see Erens future.
@Tohlemiach ..Eren only sent memories that suited him best. All to reach this one moment
@@Aztro2 danm fr sucks that I can post a rhetorical question on the internet now🤦🏾♂️
The reason that Grisha can sometimes see Zeke:
As we learned, the owner of the Attack Titan can see memories of it's future Inheritors.
Let's take a look at the scene where Grisha is in the Basement and can see Zeke.
Notice how Eren is standing behind Grisha, looking to Zeke. Basically at this moment Grisha receives the memory of future Eren standing in the basement behind himself and looking at Zeke. So Grisha actually sees Zeke through Eren's eyes.
The same goes for the scene at the End where Grisha apologizes to his son. Notice Eren standing behind Grisha.
That's why he sees Zeke without actually seeing him😂🤯🤯🤯
how does he hug zeke then?
@@4_drei the answer is that it was too much awesome scene to not do it ahahah
@@iacopo9591 whens the last time they actually did something for the sake of just doing something?
@@rivainator8323 thanks dawg, that seems like the more believable option than just "doing it cause its awesome"
@@rivainator8323 no, it's actually Eren POV. So in Eren POV he saw it and he can hear it. But in grisha POV he was just hugging the air. If you're going to add Eren and Grish POV you have the anime like. 🤯
Love how Grisha refers to Mikasa as his daughter.
Same. That just shows he truly cares for her.
What? When??
@@oh2075 8:26
@@evestar775 ok ty
It's just about the translation, plural doesn't really exist in japanese
So basically grisha can see zeke sometimes because future eren is also seeing him. So he’s seeing eren’s future memory. Imagine how terrifying it would be seeing himself from third person’s view
hes not hearing eren thoughts
@@kinin4400 I mean that’s what grisha would feel like. His memories are just thoughts
@@instinct9641 no, memories doesn't work that way. Not in AoT but many other shows too.
You saw someone's memories doesn't guarantee you know what they feel or their thoughts. You only see their actions and speech. Like watching a parkour POV video. You see what he does, what he sounds but you don't know what's going on inside their heads
@@tranductinh2742 are you sure about that, or you just guess?
@@nerdError0XF It's not a guess, but it is easier to understand in the Manga.
He's right though, Eren can choose what things he's seeing/seen and show other past (for him) attack titan holders.
You'll notice, whenever Grisha "sees" Zeke, Eren walks behind him. As Tran put, it's like watching a biker doing a parkour course, with a camera behind him live streaming.
So by the time they're underground in the hideout, where Eren crouches and speaks to Grisha, Eren is making Grisha view basically through Eren's eyes, what Eren says and does.
In short, Eren is the complete mass manipulator of AoT so far. Zeke thought he uno reversed Eren, meanwhile Eren is playing 5D past, present, and future chess at the same time.
Also, only manga readers are ready for the next episode 😈
I don't think anybody mentioning this but Eren in a kind of way helped Zeke to get a closure. He finally got his father's love.
Exactly. I'm pretty sure that's where Zeke's character arc ended in the manga as well, and same here.
@@joemu8829 so will Zeke not be playing a major role in the future episodes?
@@drytadpole he will be playing a big role but it probably isn't as big as rn. Also when someones character arc ends it does not necessarily means their character has no relevance now
Grisha’s voice actor carried this episode
The way he whimpers "I'm sorry... I was a terrible father".
Absolute top tier voice acting
For a show like AoT? Man.. if he couldn’t nailed it then the whole world will criticize him through twitter 😂😂
imagine being the dub actor and watching this performance LOL
@@Ichirukibetter but the man makes it look so easy. He got the easiest check season 1 but then comes back and casually outclasses literally the whole cast😂
@@izrael820 i think he’s been waiting for this season so he can do this and show the other casts that eren’s VA is not the only cast who can shout 😂
What I really like is that WIT Studio actually put a quick blackscreen in the scene where Grisha transforms into a Titan to kill the Reiss family when it's shown for the first time in Season 3.
Now that blackscreen makes sense to anime onlies, because he dropped his knife and then picked it up after Erens speech again
Damn, you're right. There is a black screen cut back to Eren.
It's all isayama's plan
And that scene with Grisha and Eren Kruger speaking, at the one moment we can see Eren Kruger is actually Eren Yeager
what episode in s3, please?
@@GDRiyu i believe it's episode 6 - Sin
Grisha can see Zeke because he can see Eren’s memories.
So he actually see Zeke through Eren’s eyes.
The proof is that he can’t see older Eren.
What about when he’s leaving to the hideout and stares directly into erens eyes in the doorway?
@@Deadlion0val he knew that eren was in front of him beacuse of the memory of eren
@@Deadlion0val
He saw himself through Eren's eyes
@@Deadlion0val he sees himself through Eren's POV
it’s the same equivalent as looking at a mirror or third person mode pov
Just to make something clear, Eren doesn't exactly know *everything* . Current Eren only knows what Grisha knew because of Future Eren's memories (confusing, I know). He only knows the RESULT of certain things, not the way they happen. For example, Eren knew Sasha would die because he couldn't see her in the future memories, but he didn't know *how* she would die. This is why Eren reacts the way he does when he finds out Sasha died because he realizes he is already trapped in this path he set for himself.
Ah! So Grisha saw future-future Eren's memories and was freaking out, whereas Eren hasn't done it yet and so can't see it in advance, even though Grisha can.
@@creativebeetle Eren already know what's about to happen
Yo could that be why Eren chuckled when Sasha died ? Because he can’t believe this path is actually happening?
@@Axonkid that AND the old reason of thats his reaction to loss. He still couldnt do anything to stop someone close to him from dying
@@Axonkid precisely. Also what Michael said, he can't handle loss.
Eren can't see the future whenever he wants. He can only see specific scenes that future Eren HAS ALSO SHOWN Grisha, because he's accessing Grishas memories
It took me a few rewatches but I think I got it figured out.
Eren is the one in control because of his unique circumstance. He has the Attack Titan, the Founding Titan and a Titan with Royal blood all in the paths. Presumably no other Attack Titan has been in this position so he has access to unique abilities.
It's not time travel, it's a memory causal loop. Grisha can see Eren's memories, which means Grisha can see Eren's memories of watching his whole life. When Grisha is being goaded on by Eren, from his POV he's seeing himself at a side angle being spoken to by Eren.
This is why Frida or any previous founders can't or have ever heard of doing this: It's not interacting with the past, it's interacting with memories past and future, and so long as the founding titan is unable to see future memories it can never affect the past.
Lastly, Eren knows the future not because he's clairvoyant. He has access to his dad's memories through the founding titan, which means Eren has seen everything that a future version of Eren which we haven't seen yet has shown Grisha.
He and his dad are literally using each other as windows of knowledge to the future. It's so fucked.
In the Grisha dining room scene where the young Eren answered Grisha''s question about why he wanted to join the scouts, Eren answered "And if no one is willing to take their place then the lives of all who've died will be for nothing".
This was a not so subtle dig at Grisha reminding him not to forget his mission (the lives of his sister/comrades) and abandon his thought of living a normal life and go out and steal the founding Titan's power. It was his cue that today is the day he needed to do it.
It actually answered my long standing question since I watched this series in the beginning. How did Grisha knew that this day of all days was the day he needed to kill the Reiss family since it was the day the Colossal Titan attacked the wall? I couldn't believe it was just a coincidence.
Wow i learn new thing about this show everyday. This show is so smart, almost too smart to a lot of people.
Oh, i thought Grisha stole the founding after the colossal attack since he said "My house is right where the wall was broken" and we also saw in the season 1 where grisha is riding a carriage back to shiganshina saying "Please be safe" to his loved ones.
@@nooo.6639 the Colossal attacked the wall when Grisha was on his way to the Reis chapel, probably a couple hours after he left. considering Shiganshina is on the southern end of the walled area and the Reis chapel is on the Northern part between Orvud and Utopia district and the entire walled Area is about the size of France or Texas, it would have taken Grisha some time to travel there.
@@nooo.6639 because Eren showed him his memory seeing the colossal attacking. But he didn’t show him what happened afterwards or the faith of Carla.
Imagine how scary it would be getting flashes of memories of yourself in a 3rd person view and then one day you get one of your face looking back at you, knowing whatever is sending these memories is standing right infront of your face
This episode is one of the best episodes of any show i have ever seen. I mean i don’t Even know where to start. Eren’s manipulation towards Grisha and the other attack titans is just a crazy plot twist. Eren was literally pulling the strings from behind the scenes manipulating everyone so he would Get the outcome he wanted in the future.
Grisha’s VA deserves an award for his performance here. Simply outstanding. The end of the episode made me tear up, Grisha was never a bad person. It was Eren all along. Remember back in season 3 when Eren touched historia’s hand? He saw himself manipulating Grisha and into the future and the past so that’s why he looked like he was so lost after it happened. Because Eren learnt what he must do after that u totally see his attitude change over the rest of the show, especially s4 part 1 Eren.
When Eren said he was «disgusted» in s3 about his father killing the royal family he was actually not disgusted for the reason he killed them but for the fact that he didn’t. Eren was literally disgusted with his own father not waiting to murder children and people for his sake.
Another thing, if ur wondering about why Grisha could see Zeke think about it like this: We learnt that the Attack titan can see memories of it’s future attack titan inheritors. Eren with both the founding and attack titan here and also came in contact with royal blood sent memories of eren’s future (what we Are seeing in the episode) to Grisha so Grisha knew he was being watched because he saw the memories through eren’s eyes since it was eren’s memories. Therefor he didn’t actually see Zeke or touch him like the anime made it seem like. He just saw him through the memories and therefor «saw» him.
In the middle of the episode we also see Grisha saying he wanted Frida to stop the titans from killing everyone and not destroying the walls. At about 14.20 ish u see Grisha’s expression kind of change and he then says «My house got destroyed during the attack» This was before it Even happened. This means Eren sent Grisha memories of what was going to happen and that’s also why he did what he did along with eren’s manipulation. Frida was also controlled by the vow reanouncing war as we clearly see when her eyes changed color into purple after she opened them again.
Grisha also said to Zeke to «stop Eren».
Grisha was a man who lived his entire life full of hatred towards Marley and hated them with his entire heart. The fact that even Grisha thought Eren’s plan or the memories of what the future holds was way to much shows how terrible and gruesome Eren’s plan really is.
All of this is extremly hard to understand but i hope ur reading all this to clear some stuff up.
The writing here is nothing but perfect. Aot is truely a masterpiece man.
I am a manga reader and to be honest, I couldn’t understand it at all in the first place I read this chapter. It’s like reading Christopher Nolan ‘s work in manga form.
people keep saying that eren sent memories to past attack titans so he can have this future, but they dont show us that in the anime at any point, so unless its a spoiler, or maybe they will show it in the future, im always wondering at what point our eren sent those memories to grisha and at what point our eren sent memories to past attack titans, but i geuss il know in the future episodes
@@guyshilon1568 I mean what else could be possible?? How would Kruger know about Mikasa and Armin and why would Grisha say "Why won't you show me everything Eren". It's super obvious that he sent the memories down and not some other way, u don't need to be a genius to understand that
@@scepii at what point did eren send grisha those memories? They don't show us that, also at what point did eren send Kruger those memories? If the only way of knowing that is spoilers so I'll just wait for next episodes hah
@@guyshilon1568 bro the whole show is literally just a big time loop u understand that right? it's a time paradox and extremely hard to understand but Eren literally manipulated all the attack titans when he wasn't even born yet because he is the last attack titan. Therefor with the founding titan aswell he could control the others with his memories of the future. It already happened but it didn't happen already if u know what I mean. Why do you think the attack titan fights for freedom? sounds kinda like Eren, no?
"In death and even after, you keep moving forward"
This was passed up in memories that influenced the strong pursuit for freedom throughout the inheritors of Attack Titan right from the start (or should I say from the end)
The will of fredom that the Attack Titan has always had is actually Eren from the future inheriting that will to its past wielders.
All the wielders of the Attack Titan will basicaly follow the last Attack Titan. Which is Eren
So is this a look?
@@alpharayet1527 THANK YOU MY GUY. people think the attack titan users always pushed towards freedom as a "trait" of the titan, so we always thought that eren's obsession with freedom was bc of that. Turns out Eren was that way ever since he was born; him wanting to know whats beyond the walls and killing the intruders even b4 he inherited the AT, EREN IS THE ONE THAT MADE ALL THE PREVIOUS AT USERS THE WAY THEY ARE BY MANIPULATING THEIR MEMORIES VIA THE AT POWERS. It blew my mind when i figured that out.
@@TheSteiner12 ye and he is only able to do this not because he is the last attack titan. But rather he is the only attack titan with the access to full power of founding titan. So grisha made a hypothesis based on the information he was told but its not the attack titan that can see into the future. It is eren that selectively sends memories back to past attack titan users. (Spoiler: this part hasent happened yet)
@@mdtowhidurrahman9005 yup i chose not to mention the "eren is the last attack titan user thus he is basically the most powerful" cuz its manga spoilers but there u go ig lol
Isayama is really the best writer in history. He's really crazy even though we witnessed these events because instead of solving he gave us all the events back from Grisha and Zeke perspective, not just from Eren perspective. I really can't describe this art. Eren is the best character in the anime world👑🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
i love AoT so much but Isayama is far from being the best writer in history.
Writing is a very specific art which should be distinguished from storytelling in general. There are authors who are terrible writers but incredible storytellers (*cough* Raymond Feist). On the other hand some people are technically excellent writers but poor storytellers. We can definitely say Isayama is one of the greatest storytellers who ever lived, possibly top 50 or maybe even top 20. However, ranking a 21st century Japanese manga writer against a 16th century English playwright like Shakespeare for example isn't really possible in any meaningful way.
Zeke thought he was showing eren the memories. But it was eren showing zeke his memories and breaking him by showing zeke that his father isn’t some evil maniplulator.
I feel so bad for Grisha. Imagine knowing about future Eren and you have to act normal around this little devil
As I understand, he didn't know what Eren would ask of him until that fated night. But I do wonder how he reacted when he learned Eren's friend was named Armin, and when he heard some couple in the woods had a daughter named Mikasa.
He only knew in his final day I think.
Summary of this episode: (NO SPOILER)
Basically throughout the series it was portrayed that Grisha killed the royal family from his on will, however Eren is the one that manipulated his father by making him believe that Eldians and Carla is safe by showing him fragments of memories instead of everything which means that Eren was controlling what his father could see and not see, which means he was playing games with his father. When Grisha says “Eren isn’t showing me everything for a reason” the moment he says that, Eren shows him the full memories and so that’s why Grisha says it’s so terrible that that Zeke needs to stop him.
So what does this mean? Eren has been playing 8D chess since the beginning, since the first episode of AOT, it was all orchestrated by (future) Eren, so everything that’s led to this moment of his mother dying, Hannes dying, the day the wall was broken, (future) Eren knew this would be the outcome. Until Eren kissed Historia hand in season 3, last episode, he saw the full memory of him manipulating his father to kill the royal family and that’s why he was distraught when he saw the ocean, because he realised he was the cause of everything.
AOT is a masterpiece
@Mallakian bc Eren showed fragments of his memories where him taking the Titan would restore Elida freedom for example the Marley attack however Eren didn’t show him EVERYTHING, and if I tell you what it is, it’s a spoiler, so this episode doesn’t explain everything
"Eren has been playing 8D chess since the beginning" But that would mean Eren was always there guiding his past self, so at what point did this loop happen and this also means the past and the future exists at the same time. Ouch, my brain
It's actually not that they can see the future, but it's that the future attack titans can send memories to its past inheritors.
After binging other reactors reaction to this episode finally we are having it here💪🏃♀️
This is the best explanation I'm aware of about what Eren saw when he kissed Historia's hand.
When he kissed her hand, Eren was only shown Grisha's memories. He did not look into his own future directly. But, since Grisha was sent future memories from future Eren, Eren also saw those through Grisha.
Future Eren sends Grisha his memory of telling Grisha to kill the royal family -----> Grisha sees the future memory and kills the royal family -----> Past Eren sees Grisha receiving the future memory
So Eren only saw what future Eren chose to send to Grisha. So he only knew exactly as much as Grisha did of the future. Ever since the medal ceremony, Eren hasn't seen any more of the future. That also means he knows of the "terrible" thing Grisha says that Eren will do, but that is a future memory Eren has not had yet. That was a memory that Eren will send to Grisha when it happens in the next couple episodes.
**SPOILER** Eren knows that the rumbling will happen, or as he says "it already happened". That's why Grisha says he never would have imagined something so terrible and even though Grisha hates Marley, he's asking Zeke to stop Eren. Manga 123 and 131 also make clear Eren knows what's going to happen. But yes, future Eren is the one 'in contol'.
And all this was only possible because of Zeke. The secret ability of the Attack Titan has always been to see select memories of future titans, so it's impossible to ever see themselves in 3rd person and relive the same events twice like Grisha did. It was Zeke who enabled this to happen by bringing Eren to explore Grisha's memories. I personally think Zeke just wanted to see his father one last time, more than he needed to convince Eren that he was manipulated.
I wish I didn't read the last paragraph of your post. I had my own theories.
Wow you really coulda left out that last sentence.
I've got a question- why did Eren only see Grisha's memory sent by future Eren when he kissed Historia's hand at the end of Season 3 part 2? What about when Historia touched Eren in the Reiss Chapel in Season 3 Part 1?
@@plernhaddock9588 I'm not sure there's a better answer to that other than Isayama didn't want Eren and the audience to see that yet. If you want a lore-friendly answer, you can look at it as Eren simply unlocking the ability to see his dad's memories, so he only saw very vague flashes. So when he touched Historia later, he had already built a stronger connection with his dad's memories after reading Grisha's diaries, so it unlocked the final pieces he was missing.
We saw a glimpse of Eren kissing a hand. This was the scene in S3 with Historia, where she game them medals. Remember Eren at that moment saw a vision of Grisha killing the royal family an he got that look on his face. I believe that's the moment he connected to everything and saw the past and the future.
This show is so damn good, it's crazy.
Because of the change of animation most of the reactors didn't catch that and its such a good throw back 😔
Yeah the placement of Eren kissing historia’s hand was a little odd I don’t blame people not getting it. In the manga it’s more spread out while we are seeing grisha freak out. Also Eren’s “rage” face after grisha says “stop Eren” looks nothing like the moment where he kissed her hand so it’s just looks like a random “Eren being angry” frame.
The first time you watch the show you admire the characters, the second time you admire the writer.
@@pulsevzero yeah but that's because it's a different animation and it's seen from the front while in season 3 it's from the left side a little. I'm sure they will figure out with comments and while editing the video. It took me to watch 2 times to figure it out 😂
the way they mashed clips when grisha was calling to eren was so nicely done yo
Something not a lot of people noticed is right before Eren kissed Historia's hand, Armin was lamenting over Floch saying Armin was the wrong choice to save. Eren tells Armin they dont know that to be true because "nobody can know the future."
You guys are just fucking great - and embody the joy and marvel of this great fucking anime. Fucking love everyone here.
😉
I can't forget what Zeke did in Shiganshina arc, but it's so sad seeing him cry after he heard what he wanted to hear from his father, and knowing that Grisha didn't forget him and really regrets what he did to him.
Yeah I can't let go of what Zeke did, Erwin was one of, if not THE best character in AOT :(
@@MrViperTech Exactly, and all the ppl he killed while laughing and behaving like it was a game, that's why It's hard to forget.
Yeah. Eren really, really betrayed his brother here. On the other hand, at least he gave him the closure he'd been looking for his entire life.
That cut at 12:14 was so clean because the music stayed consistent
Keep in mind Grisha said “future inheritors” which means Eren can’t see future Erens memories. But if Grisha sees the future Erens memories and Eren sees Grishas memory of him seeing future Erens memory. Eren therefore can see his future.
Probably the biggest and most Mind bending plot twist in anime History 🔥🔥
And Someone give Grisha's VA a fckn Oscar
Next episode will be another crazy one 🔥🔥
Great reaction of an amazing episode. Two facts to keep in mind:
1- Every time Grisha sees adult Zeke, he was looking from Eren's POV, since he was seeing Eren's future memories. Meaning that Grisha can see himself on 3rd person view. Every time he sees adult Zeke, Eren is standing behind him so he has a clear view of Zeke, and when he started to mention Zeke's name while he was dreaming, previously Eren had looked at the photograph. The same thing happens when Grisha sees the adult Eren, which happens when Eren is looking at him, or is observing from a similar perspective to his own.
2- When Grisha first discovered the Reiss's hideout, he was very lucky not to choose that moment to take the Founding Titan (his reason was continue living with his new family; after all, Grisha wanted to make the most of the time he had left, knowing that he had a 13-year life limit since he inherited the Attack Titan by devouring Kruger). You may be wondering why I mention this. It's because its possessor then was not the young and inexperienced Frieda Reiss, but her experienced uncle Uri Reiss. If he had fought against Uri, Grisha would probably have lost to him because Uri had combat experience (after all, he easily disarmed a fighter like Kenny, and he would not have hesitated to seize Grisha's moment of doubt as he beheld Rod's children) and on the other hand, if he were alive when Grisha went to fulfill his mission to take the Founding Titan, Kenny wouldn't be far from his friend, and although he will not possess any of the Nine Titans, he was an enemy to be feared. After all, he was an Ackerman.
So is everything is a loop?
I don't think Uri would've beat Grisha neccesarily. Uri had no experience against titans, well neither did Grisha, but then they're on the same level. Also Grishas titan was bigger, and buffer than Uri's (from what we saw of Uri's titan, it was pretty average), and Grishas attack titan might be inherently stronger than the limited titan that the Reiss's had. Also Kenny had no experience against titans, and didn't use swords, so he wouldn't have been much help. The only edge Uri has is if Grisha hesitates. Even then the future Eren might just spring him into action, considdering that Eren has already been shown changing the past, that would've inevitably lead to Grisha being killed by Frieda, so there's no reason it can't happen here.
“I don’t know where it’s going to go from here” Theme: “Rumbling, Rumbling, It’s coming…”
It touches me how at the begging of the episode Zeke calls his dad "Grisha" then at the end he calls him "Father"
The scene of Grisha screaming out to Eren was the first time I ugly cried in Attack on Titan.... The animation, voice acting, and the damn music....ugh what an episode man
"Are you happy now?"
Absolutely insane thing to have to scream after murdering a whole family at your son's behest.
It was theoried that the Will of Attack Titan was motivated and influenced Eren. But actually it really was the Will of Eren Jaeger who influenced the Attack Titan and its shifters!!
Not gonna lie, it's become a habit of mine to watch reaction videos to my favorite anime. This is the first one I've watched from you guys and you're now instantly my favorites. Neither of you are going out of their way to talk or force reactions, it's clear you're thoughtful and have a true understanding, knowledge, and love for Attack on Titan. It was sincerely enjoyable to rewatch this episode with you guys. Best of luck moving forward.
😉👌🏻
zeke : but, i thought the past can't change
eren : but, it didn't
RARE STORYTELLING
Eren hasn't seen everything. When Eren kissed Historia's hand, he saw some of his future memories through Grisha's memories.
This episode was fire! Eren definitely deserves the antagonist & protagonist award!
When grisha is apparently looking at eren he is basically seeing himself through eren's memories, he does not see big eren, the same when he sees zeke he does it through eren's memories.
All the episodes from here will be amazing. From here, there are many hints collected. I'm looking forward to seeing you with you!
Hi mate, anime only watcher here, assuming the rumours are true and the final chapters/chapters will be made into a movie, are the rest of the episodes of this season going to be quite good or part filler?
@@TheOsamaBinLiner no filler, def not enough time for that, but leakers have also said nothing will be rushed, so don’t worry.
“All the episodes form here will be amazing” So that was a lie
Eren touch Historia, Eren sees Grisha memories.
Because Eren sent future memories to Grisha, Eren, when he touch Historia’s hand, saw his future memories through Grisha’s past memories.
Grisha never sees Eren in Paths, he sees through Eren’s POV, he sees himself and Zeke, if Eren is looking at them.
“Keep moving forward, even after death” it just clicked for me, because even though grisha is dead he still has to move forward in the memories to kill the reiss family.
"Keep Moving Forward"
That's the quote that we always have to remember of what happened in the series
So in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here.
AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's almost impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen. This calls into the question of the existence of free will in the world of Attack of Titan.
The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past?
Well, he had 3 perfect conditions:
1.He had the ability of the Attack Titan
2.The ability of the Founding Titan
3.He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke.
After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror.
Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time.
So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time.
Also Note that everytime, Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from actually due to the memories from Eren's POV
Another thing to add: Eren did NOT see everything in the future. Eren only saw CRUCIAL moments in the future, for example, he saw Pieck pointing a gun at him when he kissed Historia’s hand 4 years ago, this is why he was so calm when she threatened to shoot him, because Eren KNEW she wouldn’t shoot him. However, Eren DIDN’T know that Porco was going to try to eat him just a couple of minutes later. Even Eren doesn’t know EVERYTHING that will happen
This post should help anyone who’s still confused
Also, this isn’t my comment, I did not make this, ALL CREDIT GOES TO u/Skyclad_Observer
That's correct. It's just not time travel. Everything that happened, is going to happen or is happening has already happened from eren's point of view. Hajime isayama is only showing us what he wants us to see to tell his story. We are following the paths.
He doesnt fully know the future but he knows for sure he’s going to succeed
This anime has grown humans crying.
Zeke: “Eren, I will save you from Grisha’s manipulation.”
Eren: “You thought I was manipulated but actually IT WAS ME, EREN who’s manipulating.
Fun fact: when eren kissed historia he was in shock that he did that to his father from the momment in this ep they show him kissing historia to the very end is what eren saw not the beginning of grisha talking to freida JUST FYI
Do you know why grisha was able to see Zeke or listen to eren? it's not because of time travel or just like that.
The future eren was sending memories to girsha ( they were able to do that because they both are attack on titan).If you have watched previous seasons eren keeps on getting memories from attack titan . Exactly the same way Eren was giving memories to Grisha.
Important to note Eren’s perspective each time grisha “sees” zeke
*FREE OF SPOILERS*
Eren can not freely look into future. In order for the Attack titan to see the future, the memories has to be send by it's future inheritors. It is confirmed when Grisha wants Eren to show him more of the future, but Eren doesn't so Grisha doesn't know everything. So Eren was never able just look into his own future. Thinking like that, Eren didn't know everything up to this point, he has seen some stuff ( Grisha being influenced by Erens future himself), and don't know what will happen from now on, after he has done his little "influence the father quest". Also... Eren was only able to do that because he is in the paths with a coordinate powers. That made a perfect conditions for him to do what he needed to do, because the power of the coordinate allow to look into past of every eldian ( every eldian is connected through paths, through coordinate) and the attack titan powers can allow it's inheritor to look at the future memories. This means that Eren is seeing the past (like he would be there) and Grisha is seening Eren seeing the past. Grisha has never seen adult Eren, he has only seen himself in 3rd person and old Zeke (You can notice that everytime Grisha mention or talk to Zeke, Eren is always behind both of them).
Oh and Frieda couldn't use the founders powers fully because of the first kings will.
Hope that can help. :D
Thanks for the spoilers
@@username-ql8ox what spoilers?
@SlowMill _ this is all information we will learn later in the series. Just you explaining this implies stuff that we shouldnt be able to answer yet, hence spoilers
@@username-ql8ox when do U learn that?
tell me when and I'll shut up...
It can be a simple thought, but hearing you guys talking or comment about the music on each episode it's one of the things that shared the most with you guys
“Eren why did you betray me?”
“Because I wanted to”
Apparently Eren's dramatic shift came about when he kissed Historia's hand and saw pretty much everything.
JUST A REMINDER : THERE IS NO TIME TRAVEL IN AOT, JUST MEMORIES OF THE FUTURE
A person on the internet said something like founding titans is bounded by the past whereas the attack titans are bounded to the future.
14:49 TO BE CONTINUED jumpscare got the boys good
(SPOILER FREE!)
Grisha didn't see old Zeke and Eren through his perspective, instead he saw it all through Eren's perspective since Eren sent his memories back in time to Grisha via the Attack Titan. Notice how whenever Grisha sees Zeke, Zeke is within Eren's sight, so he saw it all in 3rd person view basically which means when he stared in Eren's eyes he actually saw himself. Must've trippy af for Grisha.
The "future" Grisha saw is Eren's memories that he sent back to Grisha, Grisha has no control over what he sees from the future, it's all handpicked by Eren himself.
I never anticipated Eren as a complete antagonist... he is giving some serious villain vibes ryt now!!!
Imagine Eren with a Light Yagami laugh right at the end. terrifying.
@@powerlogic1992 man Light Yagami will look like a saint in front of Eren .
Eren or future user can send memories down to the past. The reason why His dad saw zeke was because eren was in a position through out the episode to see both zeke and his dad. So in retrospect, his dad is see the pov of his dad and zeke because eren saw them both. just like how at the end eren was watching his dad hug zeke so that is why there was a connection.
Also to add on eren only saw grisha's pov and saw future eren messing with him through his memories and also what actually happened in the cave
Everytime Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing
behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from
actually due to the memories from Eren's POV
In the manga from season 1, when grisha showed eren the key to the basement he was looking at a different direction rather than the kid eren. Now we see grisha was actually looking at the future eren
Grisha saw Zeke thru Eren's future memories, he can also see himself. Grisha saw memories of future Eren but also Eren is in control of the memories that Grisha can see. When Eren kissed Historia's hand he saw what really happened in the Reiss underground (he saw his future self interfering)
Here's my attempt to explain what happened:
As Grisha said, Attack Titan can see the memories of its future inheritors, that's why Grisha can see the memories of future Eren (the one in the paths). Whenever Grisha "senses" Eren and Zeke, what's actually happening is Grisha is reliving Path Eren's memories. That's why as many people already stated, Grisha was seeing everything through eren. Whenever Grisha sees zeke, eren is behind him, so Grisha is actually seeing zeke and himself on 3rd person POV. And when Grisha "sees" Eren, he was actually seeing himself through Eren's POV. This is why Grisha never mentions how Eren looks or where he is, because he can't see him since he's reliving his memory. He can only guess Eren's position based on his perspective.
This phenomenon was actually already shown to us in season 3. Remember when Eren was chained on that cave? We were shown a scene with Frieda combing her hair. We couldn't understand what it was at that time but now with context, it was clear that Eren saw that memory.
Now you might say that, "how can Eren see Frieda's memories if she was a past inheritor?" or "How can Eren see Grisha or Krueger's memories?" The simple answer is that ALL titan shifters in general can see the memories of their past inheritors, but ONLY the attack titan can see the memories of its future inheritors.
Technically Eren could not be able to influence Grisha in the cave with the Attack Titan's power alone, since there's no way he could be there. It was only possible because he was in the paths and zeke initiated a memory lane tour, so he was able to go to that place and use the attack titan's power to have Grisha see his future memories.
Sorry for the long post. Also, I do believe that Grisha isn't physically touching Zeke or Eren is physically touching Grisha. It was just a memory of him.
Man Erens rage when Freida says only Eldians would need to die…what an insane moment.
When Eren said he saw Grisha's memories of when he slaughtered the Reiss family, he said he was disgusted by it. Little did we know the one who actually felt disgusted was Grisha.
Been waiting sooo long for this!!! Loved your reaction!!!
@Hisu Chan Also if you guys remember, Griha was married to Dina who had royal blood but he was not the Attack Titan yet. He only got the Attack Titan once Dina had been made a titan and he never had contact with another Royal Blooded person until he ate Frieda.
Just to clear up Eren was able to see the future when he kissed Histórias hand at 11:51
I really love it how they appreciate the phenomenal music of the show.
just realized that you finally have 1080p available on ur channel, thank you
Zeke: You're just a key Eren.
Eren: All of you are my keys.
Amazing and beautiful episode. Mind blowing that Eren gassed up his dad. That him being ashamed wasn’t because he did it, it was because he didn’t want to! 😱😱😱 And the small moment when Eren is watching him and Mikasa when he gave her his scarf. That means something!
Also, if you go back to S3/ e21, when Owl is talking to Grisha? That’s EREN talking to his dad!!!! That’s why he says “In order to save Mikasa, Armin, and everyone. It must be done!” Then Owl gets confused cuz he doesn’t know either. 😱😱😱💜💜💜
Geisha's VA (subbed) was so good that the English dub VA tried to sound like him. Down to the very subtle voice cracks. What an incredible production. The music. The sequences. The character development. The symbolism and nuances. I don't understand how people can say this is a bad show.
Hey guys, to explain:
The founding titan’s power allowed them to go through Grisha’s memories. The attack Titan’s power, allows the current user to send memories at their control to the previous users, making the previous user able to “see” the future which is not in their control.
While Zeke and Eren were walking through Grisha’s memories, Eren was sending his “real-time” memories back to Grisha at that moment, which is why Grisha kept seeing Zeke, but it was always from future Eren’s POV and he never actually saw Eren. This is why Grisha could “hear” Eren convincing him before the fight with Frieda. Eren only sent back certain memories at his choice to guide Grisha. (If you notice certain points through this episode, Grisha was staring directly at Eren, but really he was looking at himself through Future Eren’s POV, so he only knew where Eren was standing.)
When Eren made contact with Historia 4 years ago kissing her hand, the founding Titan within Eren made contact with Royal blood, allowing him to see previous attack Titan user’s memories (including Grisha’s). This included Grisha’s memories of seeing Future Eren’s memories. This means, Eren has only seen the future, to the extent of the memories that Future Eren sent to Grisha.
Hopefully this explains!
On of my fav discussions by you two. Keep killin it
you guys are smart
glad you're enjoying this as much as we are!
One point I want to point out is that Grisha says that the power of the Attack Titan is seeing the future through the future inheritors. That confirms that future inheritors can control what those of the past can see. I suspect that everything Eren Kruger has said has been Eren's words all along. That is why in the underground place where Grisha tries to stop the royal family, Eren quotes Eren Kruger word for word. Those have been Eren's words and goal this whole time. Eren has been in control this whole time. The only time Eren was not in control was before Grisha as a child before leaving the walls. The second Grisha took a chance and left the walls, Grisha came into contact with The Owl, Eren Kruger, and set the path towards Eren's desires. Grisha could have prevented all of this if he did not leave the walls that day.
Whenever Grisha saw Zeke it was through Eren’s pov. Eren is always behind Grisha and Zeke is in front of them. So when Grisha hugged him, he was only hugging air at the time.
More like Dark from Netfluz though. brilliant show as well. Avengers prevented things to happen meanwhile Eren caused things to give him the desired outcome that he wanted. Dark has a crazy twist as well.
I've seen a lot of people mess this part up. Including manga readers. The reason eren can control what grisha sees is because of this founding titan's power to control what they can see. Eren is a very special person because he is the first person to hold both the attack titan and founding titan AND having access to royal blood. This means he can control how much of the future memories attack titan shifters can actually see. If he only had the attack titan then he couldn't control how much the attack titan shifters could see. If he only had the founding titan then he couldn't see in to the future. If he only had royal blood he would basically be useless unless somebody wanted to use his blood to access the powers of the nine titans.
It is also implied that eren could also alter the founding titan memories too because in season 3 frieda was brushing her hair in a mirror and she felt eren looking from her perspective . eren then proceeded to wake up in the jail cell with mikasa and started telling armin, mikasa and hange the story of grisha and his aunt faye. As we all know only attack titan shifters can see memories of future shifters , BUT if eren has both the founding titan and the attack titan then in theory it should be possible to use the founding titan's ability to allow past founding titan shifters to also have the attack titan's ability to see memories of future shifters as well. If this is true it means eren most likely could have also been manipulating the royal family as well. All because we know from that one scene frieda did in fact feel eren's presence
Eren can see Grisha's memories as he his the previous successor wherein Grisha already see Eren's future memories because of Attack Titan powers.
The Devil was probably Marleyan propaganda but now its real and its Eren. He was literally the Devil in Grisha´s shoulder. This theme of "becoming a devil" is present since Erwin.
Also in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here.
AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen and always happenned. This calls into the question of the existence of free will in the world of Attack of Titan.
The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past?
Well, he had 3 perfect conditions:
1) He had the ability of the Attack Titan
2) The ability of the Founding Titan
3) He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke.
After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror.
Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time.
So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time.
And I think you are right Eren saw himself doing all of this in Grisha´s Memories when he kissed Historia´s hand, that was also when he kinda became more distant.
This is all really interesting because it touches on one of the central themes of this story: What is freedom? Is there such a thing? Is Eren even culpable of all of his actions, or is he himself a puppet of himself and always was? Like Kenny said "We are all a slave to something" and Eren seems to be a Slave to himself in a way.
A perfect AoT episode that touched on all of its central themes: "Devil" "Freedom" "Family"
Grisha is seeing future Eren's memories through future Eren's perspective. He does not actually see future Eren. He sees himself through future Eren's point of view. Future Eren's point of view can see future Zeke standing there as well which is why Grisha knows he is there. Also Eren saw this entire episode, among other things, when he kissed Historia's hand at the end of season 3.
Eren hasn't seen everything but he know a lot abt what's to come
To clear some things up:
They aren't interacting with the past. They are only seeing Grisha's memories. The reason it seems like they are "interacting" is because Grisha can look into the future memories of the next Attack Titan, so he is seeing those moments in Eren's perspective at that moment of when they are exploring Grisha's memories. Kinda like watching a video in real time and Eren is the camera. So they are technically creating the memories that Grisha will see in the past when he looks at Eren's future memories. Them actually touching physically is just artistic liberty taken by the animation studio (I think).
Also another thing to point out is I don't think Eren has seen everything his future self does or will do. When he touched Historia's hand, he connected to Grisha's memories in the moment that Grisha confronts Frieda and since in that memory, Grisha is looking at future Eren's memory at that moment, he also sees himself in the future convince Grisha to kill the royal family. It seems he also saw the "terrible" thing that Grisha saw him do. Which is why he is so shook and changes drastically as a character in the last episode of season 3 when he touches Historia's hand.
Also the "keep moving forward" line makes so much sense now. If he's seen a future event that plays out because they are in a deterministic time loop, he just has to keep moving forward because no matter what, he'll reach that point in time. He doesn't know how to get there, but I think he knows him and Zeke touching is a condition to get there. So his actions in part 1 of season 4 have all been to get to this point and keep moving forward. He's done whatever it takes to have him and Zeke touch.
I think he thought Zeke was telling the truth when they first entered the paths and Zeke said he had control. You can see when Grisha first sees future Zeke in the memories, Eren is also surprised but quickly realizes they just have to keep moving forward in the memories to get to the part where Grisha confronts the royal family. That's why Eren is suddenly like, "Next memory, Zeke." I love that shot and line because you can clearly see the moment when who is in control gets flipped.
Clarification of the power of the Attack Titan: Grisha could see Zeke why both times Eren was in front of him, so what he saw was the memories of the eren from the future, and he also saw himself in the third person when he talked about the key and when eren talks to him and urges him to kill the Rise family
BEST EXPLANATION: Every time Grisha 'sees' Zeke its because Eren is allowing him to see HIS memories. You'll notice in the first scene in the basement, Eren is standing behind Grisha. Grisha is seeing Zeke from Erens POV thru the attack titan. He even sees Zeke and himself for a brief moment at 6:05 (its why his look is so horrified) then finally after the massacre, Eren is behind Grisha again. And once again allows Grisha to see Zeke and say all those things.
Not a manga reader so idk what happens, but whats on my mind is why Eren is allowing Grisha and Zeke to see eachother and say these things, it would seem to put him at a disadvantage. Unless he is becoming the true super villian.
bro grishas va went crazy
I think eren already said enough that Eren is himself, The hatred about how their freedom has been taken away by the enemy outside the wall keeps him pushing on and he didn't care anymore even if he knows that he's action killed his friend in the process it's just gonna make him keep moving because those sacrifices will be in vain. eren when he's a kid he wants freedom I think that's why when Frieda tells his father that in the end eldia people who will die eren face is in rage, is just sacrificing the people who don't know anything and get blamed for their past king action.
Eren is just characteristic of his own quote
"If someone is willing to take my freedom... I won't hesitate to take theirs. Our father never made me that way. It's who I've been since the time I was born."
Grisha is only seeing present Eren’s memories from Eren’s pov. So Grisha is seeing his own pov as well as the future memories of Erens pov watching Grisha’s memories simultaneously. He never sees Eren. This is how he’s able to see Zeke because he’s seeing Zeke through Eren’s eyes. Also Zeke was only able to go through Grisha’s memories by using the Founder along with the paths. It created a type of simulation where they can just observe. Everything Grisha did in reaction to the present Zeke and Eren had already happened because Eren was simultaneously live castling his memories to the past Grisha. That was just set in stone to happen. The Attack On Titan timeline is a fixed and an unchangeable one. It also explains why they showed Eren kissing Historia‘s hand. In that moment after present Eren influenced Grisha to kill the royal family is when Eren sent future memories to his past self because when he kissed the hand in Season 3 he saw future memories of himself influencing Grisha to kill the royal family. When Grisha said he saw what comes next he meant Eren showed him something else that we didn’t see while they were under the chapel.
Just to clarify, Eren can’t see his entire future he can only see future memories that his future self sent to him
Eren back in season 3 when he first saw the crystal cave:
"This place seems familiar, have i been here before?"
PEAK STORYTELLING
Idk if it's correct or not,but i feel like Attack Titan didn't really have the power to see the future,but it was Eren who is making them see the future. Bcoz,even the Reiss family were surprised to hear that Attack Titan had such an ability.
As u said,Eren is kinda different and maybe he can use the power of the founding Titan,not fully,but partially. And he may be using that power to pass on his memories or the memories that he want his ancestors to see in order to fulfill his dream.
Just a theory!!
My understanding is that the Attack Titan can't see the future. Rather The Attack Titan can send memories back to the past. What that means is that every Attack Titan holder is being controlled by the last person to hold the Attack Titan. Since the holders of the Attack Titan can selectively show things to the past to manipulate them. Eren refused to show Carla's fate, because Grisha may have collapsed in defeat if he actually knew he couldn't save her.
After rewatching this episode a few times, I believe it *is* the Attack Titan's power. It's why the Attack Titans have always been rebellious. Eren isn't special. Zeke is special. It was only because Zeke took Eren into Grisha's memories that the Attack Titan was able to interact with itself for the first time.
I think the attack titan can REMEMBER the future only. The scene where Krueger tells Grisha to save Mikasa and Armin he was holding a syringe about to Inject Grisha, in that moment it triggered a future memory of Grisha holding the syringe about to inject Eren, where Grisha tells Eren he has to save Mikasa and Armin. Now Eren is different because he has the co-ordinate too he can essentially move through the paths backwards and forwards outside of time. He uses the attack titans ability to remember the future to send Grisha specific targeted memories in order to Influence the outcome of the future.
Noticed they featured the scene where eren touched historia's hand?
If you can remember in Season 3, Eren saw a glimpsed of the future when they got connected.. He was so shocked after that.
He got shocked because he saw his future self telling his dad to do those things.
The best way to describe the attack titan shenanigans is that eren isn't fighting for freedom because of the attack titan. The attack titan is pursuing freedom because eren possesses it. Thus influencing the entire line of succession in reverse.
Essentially in the same way the reiss family is subjected to the will of the first king(karl fritz). All attack titan holders are subjected to the will of future eren.
Try to look at it like EREN is the camera for Grisha. Both of them are the attack titans and Grisha can see the Future from EREN's POV. That's why he can only see ZEKE and himself and not EREN. That's why he was so stunned when he was on his way out of their house cause he was basically looking at himself through EREN when he was at the door. Look back at it again 😉
My guess is that there are two rules.
1. the Founding titan has access to the memories of subjects of Ymir in the past.
2. the Attack titan can access the memories of the future inheritors of the Attack titan.
So maybe, Eren can't see his own future freely, right?
When Eren kissed Historia's hand, he accessed Grisha's memories by the Founding titan power.
In that memory, Grisha was seeing the memories of the future Eren (this episode and the ones after it).
So, Eren learned about the future of himself and this world only from Grisha's fragmentary future memories at that time?
In the start of S4 eren knows everthing until the end because of one special trait of his Attact Titan power and the same time he already controlled his own titan power. Thats why he infiltrate the marley and he know that shaha will be killed on that day thats why when eren ask connie what shasha last word and connie said "meat" he laugh beacuse he know thats what he sees in the future and its real. Thats why when Eren locked in prison while facing his face in the mirror he keep saying "fight fight fight" because he don't have choice but to keep moving forward until the end because for him thats the right thing to do for his friends and to the whole Eldians.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD Grisha was able to see zeke because eren was looking at both zeke and grisha in that scene. If eren was facing the other way, grisha wouldnt have seen a thing.