Attack on Titan 4x20 "Memories of the Future" REACTION
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FINALLY OH MY GOD
I’m so so so excited for death note
Hope to get code geass in future also haha
Code geass would be nice. Also jujutsu kaisen reaction after demon slayer would be great
Are they reading the comments or they're just ignoring it for better experience?
@@abuubkr.e9952 i think only hisu is reading them. Never seen them answer. only Hisu so. I think it’s better atleast they won’t get spoiled.
Grisha's voice actor went all out in this scene.
Grisha VA always in OT
Agree
That scene was a masterpiece honestly
グリシャの声優はCarsのLightning McQueenの日本語バージョンの声優と同じ人です。
@@user-mz5lw1ox9 へー、私は海外人だから、それを知りませんでした
@Hisu Chan Also if you guys remember, Griha was married to Dina who had royal blood but he was not the Attack Titan yet. He only got the Attack Titan once Dina had been made a titan and he never had contact with another Royal Blooded person until he ate Frieda.
Grisha didn't see anyone with he's own eyes, everything he saw was what Eren chose to show grisha, Everytime grisha saw Zeke he saw Zeke through erens eyes, when he stood at the door and was looking at Eren he in fact was looking through erens eyes at himself, grisha didn't hear Eren with he's own ears he heared Eren through Eren ear's using Eren future memories.
Eren became diffrent and saw everything when he kissed historia hand, you get showen that in this episode.
I think Eren also manipulated the owl into chosing grisha and sacraficed he's mother and grisha sister in order to get what he wants.
Episode felt like it was over in three minutes..
that takes some extremely good writing..
Eren can see his future through memories he has sent grisha about his future. This makes sense because when eren eats grisha be inherits his memories INCLUDING the memories that future eren has passed onto him
Obviously can't say what those memories are because spoilers
So Eren is the guy behind all of that, he caused almost everything since that day, when he forced his dad to get the founder, so Eren gets it from Grisha
Just to clarify, Grisha has never touched royal blood while possessing the Attack Titan. Prior to that he touched royal blood all the time. 😉
Guys guys. you missed the part that eren touched historia. From that moment on he know. Not before.
edit: Nvm spoke to soon.
I don't think anybody mentioning this but Eren in a kind of way helped Zeke to get a closure. He finally got his father's love.
Exactly. I'm pretty sure that's where Zeke's character arc ended in the manga as well, and same here.
@@joemu8829 so will Zeke not be playing a major role in the future episodes?
@@drytadpole he will be playing a big role but it probably isn't as big as rn. Also when someones character arc ends it does not necessarily means their character has no relevance now
So I'm pretty sure when he kissed Historia's hand at the end of season 3, the reason his face looked so contorted and horrified (as we also saw again in Mappa's own stlye in this episode) was because Eren saw Grisha's memory of receiving future Eren's memory of future Eren talking to Grisha in the paths while viewing Grisha's memory of that same day. So the fact that Eren was able to get into the Paths is what makes this cyclical bootstrap paradox. Eren can remember previous Attack Titans' memories, and if future Eren sent his own memories into the past Attack Titans, then that becomes a past memory as well, which would then allow past Eren to see his own future memories, thus allowing him to see the future.
At this point, the only question left in my mind is WHICH memories has Eren sent back from the future, WHO did he send each one to, and which ones has he HIMSELF now seen in retrospect? I think the reason that he's sometimes cocky and sometimes flustered is because he himself only knows the outcome, but not necessarily every step to get there. So when he saw Gabi aiming that rifle, that was something he hadn't seen yet, so he was shocked. In fact, he seemed shocked that Marley was attacking them at all, so that whole battle he likely didn't know the outcome of. All he knew was that somehow he and Zeke were destined to touch, so he had to "keep moving forward" as it were. He got so angry during that fight, I think, because his own lack of knowledge. He knows he's going to win, but the Marleyans kept getting in his way, so he was basically like "don't you know who I am? Why are you ants fighting against ME?"
oh the second part of your comment is great, i didn't think about it, thank you.
@@izrael820delete it asap. Part of your question can be answered but you’ll be spoiled
Eren is only seeing 19yro Erens memories because they are his dad's memories which they all share. Technically Eren js seeing his future but not by his own will its simply his dad remembering that he can see Erens future.
@Tohlemiach ..Eren only sent memories that suited him best. All to reach this one moment
@@Aztro2 danm fr sucks that I can post a rhetorical question on the internet now🤦🏾♂️
Love how Grisha refers to Mikasa as his daughter.
Same. That just shows he truly cares for her.
What? When??
@@oh2075 8:26
@@evestar775 ok ty
It's just about the translation, plural doesn't really exist in japanese
So basically grisha can see zeke sometimes because future eren is also seeing him. So he’s seeing eren’s future memory. Imagine how terrifying it would be seeing himself from third person’s view
hes not hearing eren thoughts
@@kinin4400 I mean that’s what grisha would feel like. His memories are just thoughts
@@instinct9641 no, memories doesn't work that way. Not in AoT but many other shows too.
You saw someone's memories doesn't guarantee you know what they feel or their thoughts. You only see their actions and speech. Like watching a parkour POV video. You see what he does, what he sounds but you don't know what's going on inside their heads
@@tranductinh2742 are you sure about that, or you just guess?
@@nerdError0XF It's not a guess, but it is easier to understand in the Manga.
He's right though, Eren can choose what things he's seeing/seen and show other past (for him) attack titan holders.
You'll notice, whenever Grisha "sees" Zeke, Eren walks behind him. As Tran put, it's like watching a biker doing a parkour course, with a camera behind him live streaming.
So by the time they're underground in the hideout, where Eren crouches and speaks to Grisha, Eren is making Grisha view basically through Eren's eyes, what Eren says and does.
In short, Eren is the complete mass manipulator of AoT so far. Zeke thought he uno reversed Eren, meanwhile Eren is playing 5D past, present, and future chess at the same time.
Also, only manga readers are ready for the next episode 😈
Grisha’s voice actor carried this episode
The way he whimpers "I'm sorry... I was a terrible father".
Absolute top tier voice acting
For a show like AoT? Man.. if he couldn’t nailed it then the whole world will criticize him through twitter 😂😂
imagine being the dub actor and watching this performance LOL
@@Ichirukibetter but the man makes it look so easy. He got the easiest check season 1 but then comes back and casually outclasses literally the whole cast😂
@@izrael820 i think he’s been waiting for this season so he can do this and show the other casts that eren’s VA is not the only cast who can shout 😂
The reason that Grisha can sometimes see Zeke:
As we learned, the owner of the Attack Titan can see memories of it's future Inheritors.
Let's take a look at the scene where Grisha is in the Basement and can see Zeke.
Notice how Eren is standing behind Grisha, looking to Zeke. Basically at this moment Grisha receives the memory of future Eren standing in the basement behind himself and looking at Zeke. So Grisha actually sees Zeke through Eren's eyes.
The same goes for the scene at the End where Grisha apologizes to his son. Notice Eren standing behind Grisha.
That's why he sees Zeke without actually seeing him😂🤯🤯🤯
how does he hug zeke then?
@@4_drei the answer is that it was too much awesome scene to not do it ahahah
@@iacopo9591 whens the last time they actually did something for the sake of just doing something?
@@rivainator8323 thanks dawg, that seems like the more believable option than just "doing it cause its awesome"
@@rivainator8323 no, it's actually Eren POV. So in Eren POV he saw it and he can hear it. But in grisha POV he was just hugging the air. If you're going to add Eren and Grish POV you have the anime like. 🤯
Grisha can see Zeke because he can see Eren’s memories.
So he actually see Zeke through Eren’s eyes.
The proof is that he can’t see older Eren.
What about when he’s leaving to the hideout and stares directly into erens eyes in the doorway?
@@Deadlion0val he knew that eren was in front of him beacuse of the memory of eren
@@Deadlion0val
He saw himself through Eren's eyes
@@Deadlion0val he sees himself through Eren's POV
it’s the same equivalent as looking at a mirror or third person mode pov
What I really like is that WIT Studio actually put a quick blackscreen in the scene where Grisha transforms into a Titan to kill the Reiss family when it's shown for the first time in Season 3.
Now that blackscreen makes sense to anime onlies, because he dropped his knife and then picked it up after Erens speech again
Damn, you're right. There is a black screen cut back to Eren.
It's all isayama's plan
And that scene with Grisha and Eren Kruger speaking, at the one moment we can see Eren Kruger is actually Eren Yeager
what episode in s3, please?
@@GDRiyu i believe it's episode 6 - Sin
After binging other reactors reaction to this episode finally we are having it here💪🏃♀️
Eren can't see the future whenever he wants. He can only see specific scenes that future Eren HAS ALSO SHOWN Grisha, because he's accessing Grishas memories
This episode is one of the best episodes of any show i have ever seen. I mean i don’t Even know where to start. Eren’s manipulation towards Grisha and the other attack titans is just a crazy plot twist. Eren was literally pulling the strings from behind the scenes manipulating everyone so he would Get the outcome he wanted in the future.
Grisha’s VA deserves an award for his performance here. Simply outstanding. The end of the episode made me tear up, Grisha was never a bad person. It was Eren all along. Remember back in season 3 when Eren touched historia’s hand? He saw himself manipulating Grisha and into the future and the past so that’s why he looked like he was so lost after it happened. Because Eren learnt what he must do after that u totally see his attitude change over the rest of the show, especially s4 part 1 Eren.
When Eren said he was «disgusted» in s3 about his father killing the royal family he was actually not disgusted for the reason he killed them but for the fact that he didn’t. Eren was literally disgusted with his own father not waiting to murder children and people for his sake.
Another thing, if ur wondering about why Grisha could see Zeke think about it like this: We learnt that the Attack titan can see memories of it’s future attack titan inheritors. Eren with both the founding and attack titan here and also came in contact with royal blood sent memories of eren’s future (what we Are seeing in the episode) to Grisha so Grisha knew he was being watched because he saw the memories through eren’s eyes since it was eren’s memories. Therefor he didn’t actually see Zeke or touch him like the anime made it seem like. He just saw him through the memories and therefor «saw» him.
In the middle of the episode we also see Grisha saying he wanted Frida to stop the titans from killing everyone and not destroying the walls. At about 14.20 ish u see Grisha’s expression kind of change and he then says «My house got destroyed during the attack» This was before it Even happened. This means Eren sent Grisha memories of what was going to happen and that’s also why he did what he did along with eren’s manipulation. Frida was also controlled by the vow reanouncing war as we clearly see when her eyes changed color into purple after she opened them again.
Grisha also said to Zeke to «stop Eren».
Grisha was a man who lived his entire life full of hatred towards Marley and hated them with his entire heart. The fact that even Grisha thought Eren’s plan or the memories of what the future holds was way to much shows how terrible and gruesome Eren’s plan really is.
All of this is extremly hard to understand but i hope ur reading all this to clear some stuff up.
The writing here is nothing but perfect. Aot is truely a masterpiece man.
I am a manga reader and to be honest, I couldn’t understand it at all in the first place I read this chapter. It’s like reading Christopher Nolan ‘s work in manga form.
people keep saying that eren sent memories to past attack titans so he can have this future, but they dont show us that in the anime at any point, so unless its a spoiler, or maybe they will show it in the future, im always wondering at what point our eren sent those memories to grisha and at what point our eren sent memories to past attack titans, but i geuss il know in the future episodes
@@guyshilon1568 I mean what else could be possible?? How would Kruger know about Mikasa and Armin and why would Grisha say "Why won't you show me everything Eren". It's super obvious that he sent the memories down and not some other way, u don't need to be a genius to understand that
@@scepii at what point did eren send grisha those memories? They don't show us that, also at what point did eren send Kruger those memories? If the only way of knowing that is spoilers so I'll just wait for next episodes hah
@@guyshilon1568 bro the whole show is literally just a big time loop u understand that right? it's a time paradox and extremely hard to understand but Eren literally manipulated all the attack titans when he wasn't even born yet because he is the last attack titan. Therefor with the founding titan aswell he could control the others with his memories of the future. It already happened but it didn't happen already if u know what I mean. Why do you think the attack titan fights for freedom? sounds kinda like Eren, no?
Just to make something clear, Eren doesn't exactly know *everything* . Current Eren only knows what Grisha knew because of Future Eren's memories (confusing, I know). He only knows the RESULT of certain things, not the way they happen. For example, Eren knew Sasha would die because he couldn't see her in the future memories, but he didn't know *how* she would die. This is why Eren reacts the way he does when he finds out Sasha died because he realizes he is already trapped in this path he set for himself.
Ah! So Grisha saw future-future Eren's memories and was freaking out, whereas Eren hasn't done it yet and so can't see it in advance, even though Grisha can.
@@creativebeetle Eren already know what's about to happen
Yo could that be why Eren chuckled when Sasha died ? Because he can’t believe this path is actually happening?
@@Axonkid that AND the old reason of thats his reaction to loss. He still couldnt do anything to stop someone close to him from dying
@@Axonkid precisely. Also what Michael said, he can't handle loss.
It took me a few rewatches but I think I got it figured out.
Eren is the one in control because of his unique circumstance. He has the Attack Titan, the Founding Titan and a Titan with Royal blood all in the paths. Presumably no other Attack Titan has been in this position so he has access to unique abilities.
It's not time travel, it's a memory causal loop. Grisha can see Eren's memories, which means Grisha can see Eren's memories of watching his whole life. When Grisha is being goaded on by Eren, from his POV he's seeing himself at a side angle being spoken to by Eren.
This is why Frida or any previous founders can't or have ever heard of doing this: It's not interacting with the past, it's interacting with memories past and future, and so long as the founding titan is unable to see future memories it can never affect the past.
Lastly, Eren knows the future not because he's clairvoyant. He has access to his dad's memories through the founding titan, which means Eren has seen everything that a future version of Eren which we haven't seen yet has shown Grisha.
He and his dad are literally using each other as windows of knowledge to the future. It's so fucked.
I feel so bad for Grisha. Imagine knowing about future Eren and you have to act normal around this little devil
As I understand, he didn't know what Eren would ask of him until that fated night. But I do wonder how he reacted when he learned Eren's friend was named Armin, and when he heard some couple in the woods had a daughter named Mikasa.
He only knew in his final day I think.
Zeke thought he was showing eren the memories. But it was eren showing zeke his memories and breaking him by showing zeke that his father isn’t some evil maniplulator.
Isayama is really the best writer in history. He's really crazy even though we witnessed these events because instead of solving he gave us all the events back from Grisha and Zeke perspective, not just from Eren perspective. I really can't describe this art. Eren is the best character in the anime world👑🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
i love AoT so much but Isayama is far from being the best writer in history.
Writing is a very specific art which should be distinguished from storytelling in general. There are authors who are terrible writers but incredible storytellers (*cough* Raymond Feist). On the other hand some people are technically excellent writers but poor storytellers. We can definitely say Isayama is one of the greatest storytellers who ever lived, possibly top 50 or maybe even top 20. However, ranking a 21st century Japanese manga writer against a 16th century English playwright like Shakespeare for example isn't really possible in any meaningful way.
In the Grisha dining room scene where the young Eren answered Grisha''s question about why he wanted to join the scouts, Eren answered "And if no one is willing to take their place then the lives of all who've died will be for nothing".
This was a not so subtle dig at Grisha reminding him not to forget his mission (the lives of his sister/comrades) and abandon his thought of living a normal life and go out and steal the founding Titan's power. It was his cue that today is the day he needed to do it.
It actually answered my long standing question since I watched this series in the beginning. How did Grisha knew that this day of all days was the day he needed to kill the Reiss family since it was the day the Colossal Titan attacked the wall? I couldn't believe it was just a coincidence.
Wow i learn new thing about this show everyday. This show is so smart, almost too smart to a lot of people.
Oh, i thought Grisha stole the founding after the colossal attack since he said "My house is right where the wall was broken" and we also saw in the season 1 where grisha is riding a carriage back to shiganshina saying "Please be safe" to his loved ones.
@@nooo.6639 the Colossal attacked the wall when Grisha was on his way to the Reis chapel, probably a couple hours after he left. considering Shiganshina is on the southern end of the walled area and the Reis chapel is on the Northern part between Orvud and Utopia district and the entire walled Area is about the size of France or Texas, it would have taken Grisha some time to travel there.
@@nooo.6639 because Eren showed him his memory seeing the colossal attacking. But he didn’t show him what happened afterwards or the faith of Carla.
"In death and even after, you keep moving forward"
This was passed up in memories that influenced the strong pursuit for freedom throughout the inheritors of Attack Titan right from the start (or should I say from the end)
The will of fredom that the Attack Titan has always had is actually Eren from the future inheriting that will to its past wielders.
All the wielders of the Attack Titan will basicaly follow the last Attack Titan. Which is Eren
So is this a look?
@@alpharayet1527 THANK YOU MY GUY. people think the attack titan users always pushed towards freedom as a "trait" of the titan, so we always thought that eren's obsession with freedom was bc of that. Turns out Eren was that way ever since he was born; him wanting to know whats beyond the walls and killing the intruders even b4 he inherited the AT, EREN IS THE ONE THAT MADE ALL THE PREVIOUS AT USERS THE WAY THEY ARE BY MANIPULATING THEIR MEMORIES VIA THE AT POWERS. It blew my mind when i figured that out.
@@TheSteiner12 ye and he is only able to do this not because he is the last attack titan. But rather he is the only attack titan with the access to full power of founding titan. So grisha made a hypothesis based on the information he was told but its not the attack titan that can see into the future. It is eren that selectively sends memories back to past attack titan users. (Spoiler: this part hasent happened yet)
@@mdtowhidurrahman9005 yup i chose not to mention the "eren is the last attack titan user thus he is basically the most powerful" cuz its manga spoilers but there u go ig lol
Summary of this episode: (NO SPOILER)
Basically throughout the series it was portrayed that Grisha killed the royal family from his on will, however Eren is the one that manipulated his father by making him believe that Eldians and Carla is safe by showing him fragments of memories instead of everything which means that Eren was controlling what his father could see and not see, which means he was playing games with his father. When Grisha says “Eren isn’t showing me everything for a reason” the moment he says that, Eren shows him the full memories and so that’s why Grisha says it’s so terrible that that Zeke needs to stop him.
So what does this mean? Eren has been playing 8D chess since the beginning, since the first episode of AOT, it was all orchestrated by (future) Eren, so everything that’s led to this moment of his mother dying, Hannes dying, the day the wall was broken, (future) Eren knew this would be the outcome. Until Eren kissed Historia hand in season 3, last episode, he saw the full memory of him manipulating his father to kill the royal family and that’s why he was distraught when he saw the ocean, because he realised he was the cause of everything.
AOT is a masterpiece
@Mallakian bc Eren showed fragments of his memories where him taking the Titan would restore Elida freedom for example the Marley attack however Eren didn’t show him EVERYTHING, and if I tell you what it is, it’s a spoiler, so this episode doesn’t explain everything
"Eren has been playing 8D chess since the beginning" But that would mean Eren was always there guiding his past self, so at what point did this loop happen and this also means the past and the future exists at the same time. Ouch, my brain
It was theoried that the Will of Attack Titan was motivated and influenced Eren. But actually it really was the Will of Eren Jaeger who influenced the Attack Titan and its shifters!!
the way they mashed clips when grisha was calling to eren was so nicely done yo
Imagine how scary it would be getting flashes of memories of yourself in a 3rd person view and then one day you get one of your face looking back at you, knowing whatever is sending these memories is standing right infront of your face
This is the best explanation I'm aware of about what Eren saw when he kissed Historia's hand.
When he kissed her hand, Eren was only shown Grisha's memories. He did not look into his own future directly. But, since Grisha was sent future memories from future Eren, Eren also saw those through Grisha.
Future Eren sends Grisha his memory of telling Grisha to kill the royal family -----> Grisha sees the future memory and kills the royal family -----> Past Eren sees Grisha receiving the future memory
So Eren only saw what future Eren chose to send to Grisha. So he only knew exactly as much as Grisha did of the future. Ever since the medal ceremony, Eren hasn't seen any more of the future. That also means he knows of the "terrible" thing Grisha says that Eren will do, but that is a future memory Eren has not had yet. That was a memory that Eren will send to Grisha when it happens in the next couple episodes.
**SPOILER** Eren knows that the rumbling will happen, or as he says "it already happened". That's why Grisha says he never would have imagined something so terrible and even though Grisha hates Marley, he's asking Zeke to stop Eren. Manga 123 and 131 also make clear Eren knows what's going to happen. But yes, future Eren is the one 'in contol'.
And all this was only possible because of Zeke. The secret ability of the Attack Titan has always been to see select memories of future titans, so it's impossible to ever see themselves in 3rd person and relive the same events twice like Grisha did. It was Zeke who enabled this to happen by bringing Eren to explore Grisha's memories. I personally think Zeke just wanted to see his father one last time, more than he needed to convince Eren that he was manipulated.
I wish I didn't read the last paragraph of your post. I had my own theories.
Wow you really coulda left out that last sentence.
I've got a question- why did Eren only see Grisha's memory sent by future Eren when he kissed Historia's hand at the end of Season 3 part 2? What about when Historia touched Eren in the Reiss Chapel in Season 3 Part 1?
@@plernhaddock9588 I'm not sure there's a better answer to that other than Isayama didn't want Eren and the audience to see that yet. If you want a lore-friendly answer, you can look at it as Eren simply unlocking the ability to see his dad's memories, so he only saw very vague flashes. So when he touched Historia later, he had already built a stronger connection with his dad's memories after reading Grisha's diaries, so it unlocked the final pieces he was missing.
We saw a glimpse of Eren kissing a hand. This was the scene in S3 with Historia, where she game them medals. Remember Eren at that moment saw a vision of Grisha killing the royal family an he got that look on his face. I believe that's the moment he connected to everything and saw the past and the future.
This show is so damn good, it's crazy.
Because of the change of animation most of the reactors didn't catch that and its such a good throw back 😔
Yeah the placement of Eren kissing historia’s hand was a little odd I don’t blame people not getting it. In the manga it’s more spread out while we are seeing grisha freak out. Also Eren’s “rage” face after grisha says “stop Eren” looks nothing like the moment where he kissed her hand so it’s just looks like a random “Eren being angry” frame.
The first time you watch the show you admire the characters, the second time you admire the writer.
@@pulsevzero yeah but that's because it's a different animation and it's seen from the front while in season 3 it's from the left side a little. I'm sure they will figure out with comments and while editing the video. It took me to watch 2 times to figure it out 😂
You guys are just fucking great - and embody the joy and marvel of this great fucking anime. Fucking love everyone here.
😉
Probably the biggest and most Mind bending plot twist in anime History 🔥🔥
And Someone give Grisha's VA a fckn Oscar
Next episode will be another crazy one 🔥🔥
Do you know why grisha was able to see Zeke or listen to eren? it's not because of time travel or just like that.
The future eren was sending memories to girsha ( they were able to do that because they both are attack on titan).If you have watched previous seasons eren keeps on getting memories from attack titan . Exactly the same way Eren was giving memories to Grisha.
Keep in mind Grisha said “future inheritors” which means Eren can’t see future Erens memories. But if Grisha sees the future Erens memories and Eren sees Grishas memory of him seeing future Erens memory. Eren therefore can see his future.
I can't forget what Zeke did in Shiganshina arc, but it's so sad seeing him cry after he heard what he wanted to hear from his father, and knowing that Grisha didn't forget him and really regrets what he did to him.
Yeah I can't let go of what Zeke did, Erwin was one of, if not THE best character in AOT :(
@@MrViperTech Exactly, and all the ppl he killed while laughing and behaving like it was a game, that's why It's hard to forget.
Yeah. Eren really, really betrayed his brother here. On the other hand, at least he gave him the closure he'd been looking for his entire life.
JUST A REMINDER : THERE IS NO TIME TRAVEL IN AOT, JUST MEMORIES OF THE FUTURE
This anime has grown humans crying.
*FREE OF SPOILERS*
Eren can not freely look into future. In order for the Attack titan to see the future, the memories has to be send by it's future inheritors. It is confirmed when Grisha wants Eren to show him more of the future, but Eren doesn't so Grisha doesn't know everything. So Eren was never able just look into his own future. Thinking like that, Eren didn't know everything up to this point, he has seen some stuff ( Grisha being influenced by Erens future himself), and don't know what will happen from now on, after he has done his little "influence the father quest". Also... Eren was only able to do that because he is in the paths with a coordinate powers. That made a perfect conditions for him to do what he needed to do, because the power of the coordinate allow to look into past of every eldian ( every eldian is connected through paths, through coordinate) and the attack titan powers can allow it's inheritor to look at the future memories. This means that Eren is seeing the past (like he would be there) and Grisha is seening Eren seeing the past. Grisha has never seen adult Eren, he has only seen himself in 3rd person and old Zeke (You can notice that everytime Grisha mention or talk to Zeke, Eren is always behind both of them).
Oh and Frieda couldn't use the founders powers fully because of the first kings will.
Hope that can help. :D
Thanks for the spoilers
@@username-ql8ox what spoilers?
@SlowMill _ this is all information we will learn later in the series. Just you explaining this implies stuff that we shouldnt be able to answer yet, hence spoilers
@@username-ql8ox when do U learn that?
tell me when and I'll shut up...
So in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here.
AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's almost impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen. This calls into the question of the existence of free will in the world of Attack of Titan.
The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past?
Well, he had 3 perfect conditions:
1.He had the ability of the Attack Titan
2.The ability of the Founding Titan
3.He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke.
After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror.
Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time.
So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time.
Also Note that everytime, Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from actually due to the memories from Eren's POV
Another thing to add: Eren did NOT see everything in the future. Eren only saw CRUCIAL moments in the future, for example, he saw Pieck pointing a gun at him when he kissed Historia’s hand 4 years ago, this is why he was so calm when she threatened to shoot him, because Eren KNEW she wouldn’t shoot him. However, Eren DIDN’T know that Porco was going to try to eat him just a couple of minutes later. Even Eren doesn’t know EVERYTHING that will happen
This post should help anyone who’s still confused
Also, this isn’t my comment, I did not make this, ALL CREDIT GOES TO u/Skyclad_Observer
That's correct. It's just not time travel. Everything that happened, is going to happen or is happening has already happened from eren's point of view. Hajime isayama is only showing us what he wants us to see to tell his story. We are following the paths.
He doesnt fully know the future but he knows for sure he’s going to succeed
Eren touch Historia, Eren sees Grisha memories.
Because Eren sent future memories to Grisha, Eren, when he touch Historia’s hand, saw his future memories through Grisha’s past memories.
Grisha never sees Eren in Paths, he sees through Eren’s POV, he sees himself and Zeke, if Eren is looking at them.
It's actually not that they can see the future, but it's that the future attack titans can send memories to its past inheritors.
When grisha is apparently looking at eren he is basically seeing himself through eren's memories, he does not see big eren, the same when he sees zeke he does it through eren's memories.
14:49 TO BE CONTINUED jumpscare got the boys good
Fun fact: when eren kissed historia he was in shock that he did that to his father from the momment in this ep they show him kissing historia to the very end is what eren saw not the beginning of grisha talking to freida JUST FYI
Future Eren manipulating his father from the past by showing him future memories in order to trick his suddenly 10 years older brother who wants to euthanise an entire nation.
Try to explain that plot to someone who doesn't know Attack on Titan
Attack on Titan
A Fictional Show becomes a Realistic one then turned into some Sci-fi mind twisted one 😎
Isayama the G.O.A.T
Try to look at it like EREN is the camera for Grisha. Both of them are the attack titans and Grisha can see the Future from EREN's POV. That's why he can only see ZEKE and himself and not EREN. That's why he was so stunned when he was on his way out of their house cause he was basically looking at himself through EREN when he was at the door. Look back at it again 😉
Great reaction of an amazing episode. Two facts to keep in mind:
1- Every time Grisha sees adult Zeke, he was looking from Eren's POV, since he was seeing Eren's future memories. Meaning that Grisha can see himself on 3rd person view. Every time he sees adult Zeke, Eren is standing behind him so he has a clear view of Zeke, and when he started to mention Zeke's name while he was dreaming, previously Eren had looked at the photograph. The same thing happens when Grisha sees the adult Eren, which happens when Eren is looking at him, or is observing from a similar perspective to his own.
2- When Grisha first discovered the Reiss's hideout, he was very lucky not to choose that moment to take the Founding Titan (his reason was continue living with his new family; after all, Grisha wanted to make the most of the time he had left, knowing that he had a 13-year life limit since he inherited the Attack Titan by devouring Kruger). You may be wondering why I mention this. It's because its possessor then was not the young and inexperienced Frieda Reiss, but her experienced uncle Uri Reiss. If he had fought against Uri, Grisha would probably have lost to him because Uri had combat experience (after all, he easily disarmed a fighter like Kenny, and he would not have hesitated to seize Grisha's moment of doubt as he beheld Rod's children) and on the other hand, if he were alive when Grisha went to fulfill his mission to take the Founding Titan, Kenny wouldn't be far from his friend, and although he will not possess any of the Nine Titans, he was an enemy to be feared. After all, he was an Ackerman.
So is everything is a loop?
I don't think Uri would've beat Grisha neccesarily. Uri had no experience against titans, well neither did Grisha, but then they're on the same level. Also Grishas titan was bigger, and buffer than Uri's (from what we saw of Uri's titan, it was pretty average), and Grishas attack titan might be inherently stronger than the limited titan that the Reiss's had. Also Kenny had no experience against titans, and didn't use swords, so he wouldn't have been much help. The only edge Uri has is if Grisha hesitates. Even then the future Eren might just spring him into action, considdering that Eren has already been shown changing the past, that would've inevitably lead to Grisha being killed by Frieda, so there's no reason it can't happen here.
Eren hasn't seen everything. When Eren kissed Historia's hand, he saw some of his future memories through Grisha's memories.
Idk if it's correct or not,but i feel like Attack Titan didn't really have the power to see the future,but it was Eren who is making them see the future. Bcoz,even the Reiss family were surprised to hear that Attack Titan had such an ability.
As u said,Eren is kinda different and maybe he can use the power of the founding Titan,not fully,but partially. And he may be using that power to pass on his memories or the memories that he want his ancestors to see in order to fulfill his dream.
Just a theory!!
My understanding is that the Attack Titan can't see the future. Rather The Attack Titan can send memories back to the past. What that means is that every Attack Titan holder is being controlled by the last person to hold the Attack Titan. Since the holders of the Attack Titan can selectively show things to the past to manipulate them. Eren refused to show Carla's fate, because Grisha may have collapsed in defeat if he actually knew he couldn't save her.
After rewatching this episode a few times, I believe it *is* the Attack Titan's power. It's why the Attack Titans have always been rebellious. Eren isn't special. Zeke is special. It was only because Zeke took Eren into Grisha's memories that the Attack Titan was able to interact with itself for the first time.
I think the attack titan can REMEMBER the future only. The scene where Krueger tells Grisha to save Mikasa and Armin he was holding a syringe about to Inject Grisha, in that moment it triggered a future memory of Grisha holding the syringe about to inject Eren, where Grisha tells Eren he has to save Mikasa and Armin. Now Eren is different because he has the co-ordinate too he can essentially move through the paths backwards and forwards outside of time. He uses the attack titans ability to remember the future to send Grisha specific targeted memories in order to Influence the outcome of the future.
All the episodes from here will be amazing. From here, there are many hints collected. I'm looking forward to seeing you with you!
Hi mate, anime only watcher here, assuming the rumours are true and the final chapters/chapters will be made into a movie, are the rest of the episodes of this season going to be quite good or part filler?
@@TheOsamaBinLiner no filler, def not enough time for that, but leakers have also said nothing will be rushed, so don’t worry.
“All the episodes form here will be amazing” So that was a lie
zeke : but, i thought the past can't change
eren : but, it didn't
RARE STORYTELLING
The scene of Grisha screaming out to Eren was the first time I ugly cried in Attack on Titan.... The animation, voice acting, and the damn music....ugh what an episode man
"Are you happy now?"
Absolutely insane thing to have to scream after murdering a whole family at your son's behest.
It touches me how at the begging of the episode Zeke calls his dad "Grisha" then at the end he calls him "Father"
Eren or future user can send memories down to the past. The reason why His dad saw zeke was because eren was in a position through out the episode to see both zeke and his dad. So in retrospect, his dad is see the pov of his dad and zeke because eren saw them both. just like how at the end eren was watching his dad hug zeke so that is why there was a connection.
Also to add on eren only saw grisha's pov and saw future eren messing with him through his memories and also what actually happened in the cave
Eren also kinda lets his mom die cause Grisha said “why won’t you show me everything,the walls breaking,the day it happens,if Carla is ok”Also I don’t think Eren can see the future you only get memories of future attack titans I think he’s blind cause I think he’s the last attack titan what he seen kissing historias hand is Himself making Grisha kill the family and I think that fuckD him up cause remember the fist time he was upset cause he though Grisha had just slaughtered them and in historias hand kiss we see Grisha pleading and then his crazy face that face happened from Eren egging him on so that’s what he seen himself tormenting his dad
bro grishas va went crazy
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Grisha didn't see old Zeke and Eren through his perspective, instead he saw it all through Eren's perspective since Eren sent his memories back in time to Grisha via the Attack Titan. Notice how whenever Grisha sees Zeke, Zeke is within Eren's sight, so he saw it all in 3rd person view basically which means when he stared in Eren's eyes he actually saw himself. Must've trippy af for Grisha.
The "future" Grisha saw is Eren's memories that he sent back to Grisha, Grisha has no control over what he sees from the future, it's all handpicked by Eren himself.
Something not a lot of people noticed is right before Eren kissed Historia's hand, Armin was lamenting over Floch saying Armin was the wrong choice to save. Eren tells Armin they dont know that to be true because "nobody can know the future."
グリシャと子供エレンの目線の先を見ると更に意味が理解できて面白いですよ！次のリアクションを楽しみにしています(*^^*)
So the way i see see it attack titan can send his memories for previous attack titan owners to see. Royal blood/Founding tital allows you to see memories of previous owner. So when Eren touched Historia hand he saw past memories of Grisha, but because Grisha was able to see memories of future Eren, young Eren saw memories of future Eren the moment he touched Historia. If we go even further in time, Owl was able to see Eren sent to him and say to Grisha "You need to start a family" so Eren could be born. Now i'm interested just how far Eren influenced the past. Did he sent memories up to 2000 years ago to first attack titan?
Eren cannot always see the future, there's an event that he first saw all future, but before that he does not know anything. Also I think past Attack Titan holders does not really see everything in the future, I think only those voluntarily shared
Yea. They can't see the future. They can only see what a future version of the Attack Titan decides to show them. Meaning that future version that's sending things back gets to selectively pick and choose what to show to manipulate the past. The person sending things back gets to either give or hold back important context details to the memories they send. Grisha believed he was doing this to save Carla, because Eren let him believe she could still be saved. Where in reality Carla was already dead even before this.
@@hamsterfromabove8905 so why was the attack tiran before grisha able to see Mikasa and armin
みんな速すぎw
Just to clear up Eren was able to see the future when he kissed Histórias hand at 11:51
That cut at 12:14 was so clean because the music stayed consistent
I think eren already said enough that Eren is himself, The hatred about how their freedom has been taken away by the enemy outside the wall keeps him pushing on and he didn't care anymore even if he knows that he's action killed his friend in the process it's just gonna make him keep moving because those sacrifices will be in vain. eren when he's a kid he wants freedom I think that's why when Frieda tells his father that in the end eldia people who will die eren face is in rage, is just sacrificing the people who don't know anything and get blamed for their past king action.
Eren is just characteristic of his own quote
"If someone is willing to take my freedom... I won't hesitate to take theirs. Our father never made me that way. It's who I've been since the time I was born."
Zeke: “Eren, I will save you from Grisha’s manipulation.”
Eren: “You thought I was manipulated but actually IT WAS ME, EREN who’s manipulating.
Been waiting sooo long for this!!! Loved your reaction!!!
This episode was fire! Eren definitely deserves the antagonist & protagonist award!
“I don’t know where it’s going to go from here” Theme: “Rumbling, Rumbling, It’s coming…”
Important to note Eren’s perspective each time grisha “sees” zeke
The Devil was probably Marleyan propaganda but now its real and its Eren. He was literally the Devil in Grisha´s shoulder. This theme of "becoming a devil" is present since Erwin.
Also in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here.
AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen and always happenned. This calls into the question of the existence of free will in the world of Attack of Titan.
The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past?
Well, he had 3 perfect conditions:
1) He had the ability of the Attack Titan
2) The ability of the Founding Titan
3) He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke.
After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror.
Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time.
So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time.
And I think you are right Eren saw himself doing all of this in Grisha´s Memories when he kissed Historia´s hand, that was also when he kinda became more distant.
This is all really interesting because it touches on one of the central themes of this story: What is freedom? Is there such a thing? Is Eren even culpable of all of his actions, or is he himself a puppet of himself and always was? Like Kenny said "We are all a slave to something" and Eren seems to be a Slave to himself in a way.
A perfect AoT episode that touched on all of its central themes: "Devil" "Freedom" "Family"
“Keep moving forward, even after death” it just clicked for me, because even though grisha is dead he still has to move forward in the memories to kill the reiss family.
I miss your one-hour discussion🥰😂
Eren gave his dad manga spoilers
Not gonna lie, it's become a habit of mine to watch reaction videos to my favorite anime. This is the first one I've watched from you guys and you're now instantly my favorites. Neither of you are going out of their way to talk or force reactions, it's clear you're thoughtful and have a true understanding, knowledge, and love for Attack on Titan. It was sincerely enjoyable to rewatch this episode with you guys. Best of luck moving forward.
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Grisha - One of the most tragic characters of AOT. Maybe "THE" Most
Grisha saw Zeke thru Eren's future memories, he can also see himself. Grisha saw memories of future Eren but also Eren is in control of the memories that Grisha can see. When Eren kissed Historia's hand he saw what really happened in the Reiss underground (he saw his future self interfering)
If anything, eren was brainwashed by armin's damn sea book lmao
Quick thought, if the Attack Titan's mission is to always push forward, is Eren being controlled by the Attack Titan itself? Or is Eren the entire power of the Attack Titan?
More like Eren influences the Attack Titan
My analysis includes spoiler:
The Attack Titan go forward because Eren, the last inheritor, is the one who can using, holding the Coordinate power, and sending the memories through the Path, which influences the previous inheritors. But the personality of the inheritors are also important too.
Attack Titan ability is seeing some(not all memories) from next persons. Let's assume Eren is last attack titan so there is nobody after him so He didn't knew everything until he reached to the paths. Nobody couldn't get here before death. Others mostly just saw some dreams about it. Eren and Zeke are first. The paths has Eldia memories from the past and future. Eren used the paths sending some( not all) memories to previous attack titans including his father so he can leads them to this moment. But before all of this Eren saw what his father saw through kissing that goddamn hand few years ago that's why he became depressed after that. STILL HE DIDN'T SAW EVERYTHING UNTIL HE REACHED THE PHATS. This is so important cuz if he could see everything before the path he would probably saved Sasha or predict some fights. This shit caused so many misunderstanding for manga reader which is understandable.
Lmao he already see everything when he kisses Historia hand but he can change anything because Eren is slave of his own time loop that he created he is a slave of the future him he will never be free when Sasha died he asked her lasts words because he already knew what there are Eren know the future of the Time loop where is a Mastermind but he can’t change anything because the future him already decided
@@floch-jaeger9485 cant
@@floch-jaeger9485 there were other reasons he didn’t do anything because if he chose to do another thing, there will be many possibilities can happen after. And we cannot ensure that if it will lead to the the better result or not. I believe following it is a better decision then.
@@addeycharon7751 don’t spoil me I’m anime only bro but by that episode man
@@floch-jaeger9485 Don’t worry. It’s not a spoiler. It’s just my analysis.
I recommend Turtle Quirk’s explanation video.
I never anticipated Eren as a complete antagonist... he is giving some serious villain vibes ryt now!!!
Imagine Eren with a Light Yagami laugh right at the end. terrifying.
@@powerlogic1992 man Light Yagami will look like a saint in front of Eren .
Clearing up some things for you guys because it's kinda confusing (don't worry no spoilers).
Eren doesn't actually see the future..at least not in the way you think. The Attack titan just has the ability to see memories of future inheritors but only if they let them.
For exemple: future Eren showed Grisha certain memories to manipulate him in a way...like the destruction of the walls or the fact that he will acquire the founder. He didn't show him Carlas death however.
That's why Grisha said "why don't you show me the rest Eren, is this really how your mother will be saved"
Grisha is also only able to see Zeke through Eren's eyes. He doesn't actually interact with him but can kinda guess where he is standing so he's speaking in this direction.
Another memory future Eren showed to Grisha is yet to come. That's what Griaha means when he says "I didn't think it could be something that terrible"
NOW going back to how Eren can kinda see the future. When he touched Historias hand back in season 3 he was able to see the memories of his father. Since Grisha knows certain events from the future (because future Eren showed them to him), Eren now knows about these future events as well. He can only see the future through the memories of Grisha.
Eren learned in the moment he kissed Historias hand that HE was the one responsible for making Grisha steal the founder and about a certain terrible event that's yet to come. There might have been more memories he knew about like Sasha's death and a little boy we will meet soon.
Hope that makes sense and cleared some things up
AOT = uno reverse card intensifies
Eren Vilian or Not?
i think what people are forgetting this season is that Eren from season 1-3 was a victim. "I think that makes Eren a great villian" Well what here is making him a villain? The fact that he killed innocent people? Well what about Paradise? What about Reiner or Zeke and the rest of Marley? Aren't they villains too? AOT makes it very clear that there is no good guy or bad gay, there just people. Eren isn't good or bad, he's just Eren. Same with every other character. NO one is good or bad in aot. Same thing in the world. Just because you haven't killed someone doesn't make you a good person either.
Eren back in season 3 said something like, "will i be free outside the walls" well no, he's not a member or Marley, he's eldian. Marley is the leading nation in the world. the biggest and strongest nation. Marley is fighting and concurring not just eldians but every other nation and group of the world. Yelenas ppl and onyankopon ppl too, and many more people we've yet to see. If you aren't a Marleyan, you're screwed.
If Eren decided to back down and go back to Paradise with the scouts then Marley would continue with the titans and continue with the wars/opression/concurring of other people and nations. Nothing would change, Paradise would countine to be clueless and igonart to the world inside the walls. Forever behind on tech and resources, science, medicine etc.
The cycle needs to be broken or nothing would change. Eren IS the cycle being broken. In a perfect and completely PG anime or perfect world Eren would be able to break the cycle without causalities. I think we are forgetting this is WAR. innocent people are going to die either way, if you want to change something for the greater good then of people then yes, people will die and there nothing that can be done about it. Even tho it is a ANIME and a TITAN one, its still being as realistic about life and death and evil and good as it can. No matter what Eren does, poeple will need to die.
The Scouts where naive to think they could change Marleys mind. And with what exactly? negotiation? talking? Its MARLEY we are talking about here. Eren isn't as naive as he was before or the others. Everyones to scared to say it or admit it because of Morels and ethnics, but Eren isn't wrong, nor right tho. He's thinking whats best for his people, and this is it.
Wether we like it or not, to Paradis hes the Hero and to the world hes not, to the world Rieners a Hero but to Pardise he isn't. There's no good or evil in aot. Every character has done something bad in the excuse of "The greater good of our people" just like Eren is doing. and just because hes the protaganist/main character of the story people don't like it, people are debating and hating eren about his choices. Yes they aren't good, nor bad. He's a genius written character who started out seeing people and the world as Black and White to now realizing the exact opposite. Seeing the world and people in gray for how it truly is.
I find it funny how in season 1-3 people hated on Eren for seeing the world in Black and White and being naive to now seeing it in how they want him to, realistic, not naive, only to hate him again.
edit: Also, everyone loves Erwin, yet he scarified the rest of the scouts in the name of "greater good" Like Eren is doing, except he isn't sacrificing his own people. Yet he's one of the most loved characters in aot, but god forbid if Eren does it right? same can be said for few other arcs/plots the anime has had so far. If the anime is in the POV of Erwin im sure this huge debate would be talked about too. Im just saying because he is the main lead, people hate Eren or are arguing about this.
This is an inevitable war that has been delayed for century's.
Imagine being in Eren's shoes, what could you possibly do?
Eren created his own story.
“Eren why did you betray me?”
“Because I wanted to”
ppl: in every AOT chara tragic story : why isayama why? why did you do that..
Also isayama : so what,? I just did what Eren wanted, that's all
26:47 I don't think Eren knows exactly what's going to happen. He knows some key moments in the future, he knows the outcome but he doesn't know exactly the process. For example, I think he was genuily surprised when Zeke tricked him last episode. But it doesn't scare him much cause he knows he'll win anw, it makes more sense when he said: "It's useless. Stop it".
Overall, Eren still need to try his best in every moments. He can't just chilling in bed and says "Eh, it's alright. I don't need to do a thing".
Yeah, he seemed shocked many times this episode. When Grisha found out the royal family chapel and when he first interact with Zeke too.
Everytime Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing
behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from
actually due to the memories from Eren's POV
Grisha is seeing future Eren's memories through future Eren's perspective. He does not actually see future Eren. He sees himself through future Eren's point of view. Future Eren's point of view can see future Zeke standing there as well which is why Grisha knows he is there. Also Eren saw this entire episode, among other things, when he kissed Historia's hand at the end of season 3.
I think it's important to point out that Grisha said that the Attack Titan can see "glimpses" of memory of its future inheritors.
So, I don't think Eren knows everything that's going to happen down to a T. I think he only knows the major events.
I think he knows what's going to happen but not necessarily how it's going to happen.
It's like reading a manga but only reading the chapters' title. You know what I mean?
Eren outsmarted the Smartest Character in AOT just like that!
To be fair to Zeke it’s much easier to outsmart someone when you can see the future lol
Let me sum up what happened and the amazing thing it’s not time travel it’s just memories overlapped
- The attack titan has the ability to see the future
- Grisha before he gave eren the attack titan he was able to see eren’s future memories
- zeke and eren going back inside grisha memories which means he also see zeke in eren’s future memories including going inside his memories and that’s he was able to see zeke through eren’s future memories ( memories overlapped here , eren+. Zeke went inside grisha memories, grisha sees this through eren memories which means eren can interact with his dad’s memories)
- eren knew this and used it into his advantages and convinced his father so technically the whole aot story started by eren , that’s mind blowing, including telling his dad to let the dad alive so the story would go as we witness since aot started , isayama is f*cking genius
anime onlys are not ready for what Erens is ready to do for freedom
Grisha is only seeing present Eren’s memories from Eren’s pov. So Grisha is seeing his own pov as well as the future memories of Erens pov watching Grisha’s memories simultaneously. He never sees Eren. This is how he’s able to see Zeke because he’s seeing Zeke through Eren’s eyes. Also Zeke was only able to go through Grisha’s memories by using the Founder along with the paths. It created a type of simulation where they can just observe. Everything Grisha did in reaction to the present Zeke and Eren had already happened because Eren was simultaneously live castling his memories to the past Grisha. That was just set in stone to happen. The Attack On Titan timeline is a fixed and an unchangeable one. It also explains why they showed Eren kissing Historia‘s hand. In that moment after present Eren influenced Grisha to kill the royal family is when Eren sent future memories to his past self because when he kissed the hand in Season 3 he saw future memories of himself influencing Grisha to kill the royal family. When Grisha said he saw what comes next he meant Eren showed him something else that we didn’t see while they were under the chapel.
Just to clarify, Eren can’t see his entire future he can only see future memories that his future self sent to him