High Performance Power Plan vs Balanced Power Plan
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2024
- Is the high performance power plan worth turning or or should you just stay on the balanced plan? I've had a few people criticize my recommendation on using the high performance power plan. So I decided I wanted to test it and see if they are right. my findings are actually quite surprising.
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Nice one, good sir. I have to admit I enabled the High Performance plan some time back, and forgot about it, and never bothered testing, so this info was very useful! Thanks!!
Thank you for such a profound look into these power modes.
such a well researched video!! thank you for all the information!! great viddeo!!
Wow this video just helped a ton. Cheers man!
Thanks, great explanation that covers the topic in a way that can be easily understood.
Great video! I've been debating whether these settings still did anything. Good to know!
Great info - Thanks
great video, and very well explained
Nice vid!! Keep up the good work!
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Very good explanation of the differences between the power plan settings. I honestly just use Balanced as I don't need the additional boost from the performance setting.
Always great videos ❤
Great Video!!
I don't have a selection to for high pref plan - another GREAT video
I see some mods apps to make it but I found it adjusted a few settings in the performance power plan that you can adjust and make yourself
@@jasonhawkins4528 thanks
At HP ZBook have to download and install HP Performance Advisor program and then enable High performance plan via that program?
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Great and well thought through video. Glad someone finally explains what it does instead of saying "keep it disabled it doesnt help and wastes power" or "enable it for lots more fps". I think higher low's can be significantly more important higher fps average and this setting improves those a good bit.
Those 0.1% lows really show the AMdip in all it's glory.
I can confirm that High Performance plan and the Ultimate Performance plan give me smoother gaming experience i didn't see increase in fps but the game was more stable i got less stutters while with power saver mode and balanced i would see a lot of stutter so my advice would be turn on high performance or ultimate plan while gaming and then switch back to balanced or power saver when not gaming.
I've experienced higher frames than before and higher performance in VR and out of VR during my gaming and nongaming. I've messed with the power plan options many times and i've noticed big performance and frames differences. I also am happy and glad i watched this video. Lowest temps my CPU has reached was 21'C and my GPU 23'C in room'temp 68'F (20'C) It's 24/7 cold inside my computer. My room temps is usually around 68'F - 72'F (20 - 21 - 23'C)
Please can you do a video of threaded optimization setting in the Nvidia control panel
Thankyou for this, it answers a few things that caused me to scratch my head a bit regarding my new win11 gaming laptop, the MSI Alpha17CV, it has a Ryzen9 7945HX cpu , from the factory it only came with a single power plan which is 'Balanced' which I thought was odd - as every previous laptop came with multiple plans, being an intel only user for decades and not having owned an AMD system since Socket A was a thing, I left it as is, as I wasnt sure if this was an AMD querk or not or if there would be any detrimental effects for the hardware if I went down the route of manually inserting a new plan, - but it still boosts over 5.5 ghz using balanced. Star Citizen runs buttery smooth on it too..
Laptops are a unique beast as they are almost always power and thermal limited, so even switching to the High Performance Power plan may not make any difference (as the system's main issue is that it's almost always bouncing off a power or thermal limit). For a well-cooled desktop however, the gains are noticeable and sometimes fairly substantial. In general, Balanced is the way to go on a laptop if you're looking maximize performance, and Power Saving is suitable for un-plugged, on-the-go, use.
thank you man
You're not wrong. You're just not right... I am just giving you the business. There's no "right" nor "wrong" answer. It comes down to someone's needs and preferences. Everyone is different. For example, in my case, I use Powershell to add "Ultimate Performance" and then I make an adjustment to "Disabled Power Throttling" WinAero Tweaker makes that easy to do. This ensures that I get the most power out of my P.C. which I need in my case.
Finally someone that's not an idiot and also uses Winaero in the commemts! 👍
Yeah but how bad are those fan speed increases and temperature increase from high performance? I am also worried about how bad this will actually increase an electric bill? I feel sketched out about the settings as it made my computers fans roar pretty loud last I tried using it.
This is a keeper👍
I read somewhere that Ultimate keeps hdd and other drives fully active and won't allow them to park. Not sure if that is true or not but I use high performance mode and only hear the hdd if I access files I have stored on them so I have to assume it is parking them.
Hard drives always park when they're not in use. The default position for the heads is off the platters unless they're being accessed. The high performance and ultimate power plans both disabled power management on hard drives. If you're running ssds then it's unnoticeable but if you're running a spinning disc you might use a little bit more power.
@@CyberCPU oh okay thank you for clearing that up for me. I use a mix of drives NVMe, sata ssd and hdd all in one system. I use high performance because of the benefit to gaming.
Does anyone have a list of Intel i7 Processors and their speed and core?
My computer is an 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700K 3.61 GHz.
I don't know if it is a screamer or just a middle of the road CPU? Anyone know ?
What's interesting is for 7800X3D all I've found online forums or Reddit etc. is to always use the balanced plan (with slider or drop down option set to 'best performance' ) instead of the regular high performance plan. I've never understood why. Did you run these benchmarks with the slider set to best performance within the balanced plan?
Guess I'll give the high performance profile a try instead. But I like my ~ 35° idle so I'll keep an eye on that lol
That setting affects the performance of the processor's IGPU. If you disable the IGPU from the bios and delete adrenaline driver with DDU or with AMD Clean Up Utility and check the control panel that setting will disappear
On an Intel processor, setting "High Performance" doesn't let the processor idle at 800 mhz...
So is High perf worth it with an i7 12700k? I'd like it to idle at low clock speed
@@brody8857 On my i5-12600KF high performance idles at around 4.5 to 4.9 GHz. The power draw at idle is around 5W though. The CPU isn't overclocked.
My LG Gram blocks Ultimate and the new UI is very confusing with the old UI bring able to set to different things. This is a mess.
Love the video, thanks for that. I guess it depends on the cpu, how they react in "high-performance-mode", my Ryzen 5950x is boosting in that mode all the time to 4,1-4,2GHz, the base is 3,4GHz. Even at idle. Thats nice, but very expensive, living in germany with very very high power prices. Also, yes, Ryzen Optimized Power-Plans are still deliverd. Just build 2 days ago and installed 1 PC and change some stuff on the PC of a friend, 5 days ago, who had not installed Chipset drivers. Both AMD-Chipset-Driver installs came with it.
It sounds like you have something running on your system in the background making it boost. Because there's nothing in the power mode doing that. I list the differences in the video, and nothing would make that happen.
Do you have the ability to test 13th gen that has e core? Things I see online show the thread director doesn’t handle the high performance well.
Unfortunately, I do not. I don't have an unlimited hardware budget.
@@CyberCPU totally understandable, thank you!
Could you make video/benchmarks about HPET (High Precision Event Timer) disabled vs enabled in the latest windows 11 build, please?
There is a lot different opinions about this topic on the internet.
Some people say it significantly improves system latency, mouse and keyboard input, FPS + 0.1%/1% lows.
Other say, that disabling it decreases performance and system stability + any time based measurement like FPS counter or latency counter will be inaccurate because system timer is desynced.
Most posts and articles about HPET are a bit outdated with older hardware and OS so it would be nice see results with something more recent.
for some reason when i enable it my pc turns into dogshit and temps go up. but idk
I disabled HPET and replaced it with ISLC, setting the timer resolution to 0.5ms.
MSFS runs smooth as silk. Yes, I've done other 'tweaks', like using 'Ultimate Power Plan' (better than High Performance, IMHO.)
To get access to Ultimate you have to run this command in CMD (as administrator.)
powercfg -duplicatescheme e9a42b02-d5df-448d-aa00-03f14749eb61
Reboot after running it and you'll see Ultimate as a optional power plan.
Hey, I have a 2011 low end PC on which I have changed the HDD to an SSD and upgraded the RAM from 2 GB DDR3 to 4 GB DDR3. Honestly at this of a low-end device with a Pentium T4500, I see 0 difference in performance between power saver and high performance in normal usage. However, battery life is much longer on power saver in idle than high performance (it takes a big bite out of the power left).
I must have a weird computer - A 6-7 year old Lenovo ThinkCenter i5X4. I went to the manufacture's site to see what is expandable - 78 pages in all. I found that my model's 4th core has a turbo boost. Why - dunno.
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I always use balanced mode
Been awhile since I've taken a gander her...busy building my next website....just for fun
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Wow, that was a great breakdown of performance issues! There sure is a lot to it. I prefer retro rigs, so my drivers don't get that advanced, DX 11 is as high as I go (great for Crysis & Warhead, early Far Crys, Halos, Quake 2 & 4, Doom 3, etc) I have the script for Ultra High, but just run High, everything runs great. But with this crash course I get it all a lot better now & if I go into overclocking or higher performance rigs I'll know what to look for 👍 (My neighbor just gave me his HP 8280 Pentium II Win 98 system (ASUS P2L97A MoBo from '97, so Duke Nukem here I come!)
Any advice with the current windows update causing BSODs?
Too vague of a question. But also i'm on the latest windows 11 build and haven't experienced any Blue screens.
@@zackzeedit was with the latest KB5035853 update. Caused my system to blue screen and apparently others as well especially handheld PCs. Did a clean install and haven't had any issues anymore but still iffy about that update
It would be nice to have a similar video about GPU's power options in the control panels.
Why do some laptops not have high performance, and why does using the command prompt only show the ‘Balanced’ option?
use Balanced if your not into gaming and stuff and High or Ultimate if you are gaming.
I don't tweak settings on my windows machine because I never know when an update will move or change things. In fact I just don't use windows unless I have to.
2:20 While that setting is indeed set to 60% for balanced plan I'm not sure it is actually having any impact, at least in my experience with my Ryzen 5800x on Windows 10 21H1 with latest chipset drivers. My CPU boosts 4.45 GHz for all cores and 4.7 GHz for single core for both the balanced and high performance plans, so this setting is having zero impact to my boost clocks despite the plans having a setting value (I verified balanced is set to 60 with the explorer program). Different generation or Intel CPUs, different versions of Windows or different chipset drivers may cause it to behave differently but to me this setting seems to be having no effect on my actual boost clocks.
11:22 - And where is it "below in the description"?
can you make a video about core unparking? there are apps that allow you to unpark all cores permanently would be nice to know what it actually does
There is a slight latency to un-park a car (takes a few cycles), so that's the benefit, no latency for the core to go back into an active state. As to how much of a difference this makes will be application specific. If the app is constantly parking / un-parking cores during a given workload, there will be a penalty. However, if the app is constantly saturating all threads (something like tile-based renderer for example), the difference probably won't even be measurable since the cores never have an opportunity to park themselves while the app is processing.
let's say gaming / tekken 8 would it be beneficial?@@WSS_the_OG
@@Honir4Oh sorry man, I'm totally unfamiliar with that game. If it's a game that multi-threads well, that is it just doesn't peg one core really hard and leave the others mostly unused, it may help to use the Performance option. I'd give it a go, and pay attention to 1% and 0.1% lows.
ok thank you@@WSS_the_OG
Please link power settings!
the power high ProFormance plain is now working properly now
I worked on a 233 MHz yesterday... I don't think the high performance mode would help much, even if it existed in DOS 6.22. Thing was so slow I wanted to get out and push.
Isn't there a weird game mode option in Windows? Does that do anything?
Nope
It will never reach max boost on balanced plan? What? I am not sure If I am misunderstanding you but that's just completely wrong.
i always wonder how much pc uses electricity in sleep mode? can you test it?
0w I have an avr
You said it sets the processor state to 0% by default? I have never seen that happen ever on any version of windows. Usually, it's set at 5% by default. However, i have not used windows 11 yet, so does windows 11 set it to 0 now by default? I'm just curious is all thanks for the awesome video.
I have Ryzen 7600 + Win 10 LTSC 21H2 and default min processor state is at 0%.
@@divzed3737 maybe new processsors are setup that way? I still use amd fx 8320e as my cpu and I can set it to 0 but when I do it makes no difference. Either way it hangs around 1.20ghz when idle on task manager
Yes, the default is 5% for me as well. I've never seen 0% so I'm not sure where he is getting that from. I'm also confused on his claim that High Performance does not prevent throttling. I'm watching task manager right now and if I switch to Balanced, my CPU speed will drop when activity drops, but on High Performance it stays at its highest speed regardless.
Please plug-in a warr meter next time to show how much the power draw difference is in your system.
I'm off grid/solar power so I don't really have a choice but to stay on balanced.
Hmm, after checking out that app (which is from 2017 btw so over 6 yr's old) it would appear you used the windows balanced plan as a comparison for at least some of this video rather than the ryzen balanced power plan. The minimum processor state on the windows plan is 5 as you stated, but the ryzen balanced plan is 99.
I recnetly put high performance back on and noticed CPU was at 3.8GHZ quite frequently even sometimes while idle, along with high temps. I havent noticed any effect on Halo Infinite or other demanding games. If you want max frequency all the time then tinker with C-states.
I tested both balanced and high performance on my PC and get same max cpu speed (4.08 GHZ) when running games so will leave on balanced.
The main problem for me when I turn on the "High Performance" profile - is that in Win11 It seem to turn off the screensaver (even if the settings are correct and worked with "balanced") - as well as the power settings for the screens to turn off after x hours of AFK. Sure, it is more of an annoyance - but I would like it to work. 😕
I switched to the balanced power plan because for the first time in ages I'm using an air cooler for my 5900X instead of using a custom loop. On the high performance plan my CPU temp is 93c while gaming. On the balanced plan it stays below 70c. On the balanced plan, I'm still getting 290 FPS on GTA5 Online on a 1080p 165Hz monitor.
I use the ryzen balanced one which came from chipset drivers
The upper 128-bit lanes are power-gated at the hardware level. Power plans won't make any difference for testing purposes.
I never really found any different and by the way I got 22h4 to work fine with my hp pavilion 15 and old i7 using rufus😅
Your comment at 2:30 (ish) is incorrect. Claiming that the balanced power plan won't let you boost to your full potential is incorrect, my CPU (also a ryzen 5) is stock 3.6 Ghz and the max boost speed is 4.2 Ghz and on the balanced plan it boosts all the way up to the 4.2 whenever it needs to (and sometimes when it doesn't lol). So changing the power plan won't actually change the max boost speed as you're not limited to 60% like you claim on the balanced plan. Unless you're possibly running an older power plan that was glitchy as AMD has messed it up a couple times. But if you've been updating your chipset drivers every now and then the power plan should be updated to one that allows full boost regardless of what plan you set it to.
You're statement about the minimum processor state being zero on the balanced plan is also incorrect, it's (default) 99%. I'm guessing the program you used to compare the power plans was faulty or had old information. There is very little difference between balanced and performance plans nowadays, mostly in terms of powering down drives and USB devices etc, there is little to no value in using 1 plan over the other as they are virtually identical nowadays except for the drive stuff etc which can be adjusted regardless of what plan you are on, but there's no real difference in terms of the CPU and how it is handled.
Even your own benchmarks show no real difference other than a higher 1% low, which really isn't relevant since the odd time it'll drop that low is literally 1% of the time you're playing, so maybe a couple seconds out of a few hours of gameplay, you probably wouldn't notice if you didn't have the FPS on the screen. Every other benchmark is within the margin of error so essentially you only proved that the plans are pretty much the same so it really doesn't matter which one you use.
The latency issue is because on the high performance plan everything basically stays at 100% while on the balanced plan the system is constantly checking for things it can dial the power down on and that causes a slight delay sometimes (half a millisecond or so). But adjusting the balanced plan a bit would take care of that and still save some power usage.
I have to nitpick here, 1% & 0.1% lows matter as much, if not even more, than average fps...
Do i have to explain why that is?
@@zackzeed Please do enlighten me, I'm not a huge gamer and my rig can do a consistent 60 FPS in any game I play so I'm happy (yes my rig "can" do higher FPS, I just don't need it to). Having the FPS drop below a certain point for a second or so isn't going to make much difference unless it happens often. They are called lows for a reason, the literal definition of a 1% low is that's the lowest framerate you get 1% of the time you are playing. But please do explain your point of view, like I said, I'm not a huge gamer so maybe I'm overlooking something here. But my original comments still stand, the increases gained are basically within the margin of error so pretty much irrelevant in terms of noticeable performance overall.
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i thought the power was just to keep the monitor from shutting off
I use both balanced power plan and High Performance, the difference is that I set the balanced max cpu setting to 99% with this I lose 10 to 15C on the cpu and when gaming it clocks nay on max speed. I use the High Performance when I want continues max power.
The results may and probably vary between different CPU:s (Intel/AMD) and different generation CPU:s significantly.
AND the difference also depends on the version of Windows. It was not many years ago that the difference (tested) was non existent (inside the margin of error).
have u looked at the ultimate plain
20:59
The Setting is named.. Power mode: Best performance (Win 11 23H2)
not.. high performance power plan
One very long video with all the de-bloating and optimising tricks with windows 11 and another video for gaming settings comparisons would be sublime
One stop shop long-form videos i mean.
what about ultimate power performance plan
I talk about that in the closing of the video.
what if the GPU and computer start getting hot?
Undervolt, up the fan curve, etc.
i hope someone can answer, windows basicly has 3 diffrent power option first it nvidia u can choose between 3 option then comes. Power plant also 3 option and then on top there, windows settings -> Power and there are 3 option what are the best settings now ?
Balanced plan sets minimum processor state to 5%, not 0% by default. I'm on Intel so maybe that's the difference? And setting both min and max to 100% locks my CPU clock speed at its highest boost, without any throttling. So I'm confused why you claim this is not the case. I'm watching task manager right now and if I switch to Balanced, my CPU speed will drop when activity drops, but on High Performance it stays at its highest speed regardless.
I feel that the gaming profile is the moast balanced 😇
Use the Bitsum High Performance power plan. Unlike the built in ones on windows (including ultimate), the Bitsum one keeps the cpu cores unparked. Good for gaming
In he video he states that all current power plan's keep cores unparked 9:20
This video made me wonder what the differences between “Power Saver” and “Balanced” are.
i remember i switched to power saver one day and i got bad fps in gta v
My graphics card runs at max MHz all the time on max power so this isn't an option for me.
there is nothing wrong with the latest version of Cyberpunk. it runs buttery smooth on my Windows 11 & RTX 2070. and it's even heavilly modded as well. in fact, i am playing the game on my gaming rig while listening to this video. sounds like user error to me.
The Ultimate High Performance plan is just the beta for the Giga Ultimate high performance Plan.
"Autobahns in Europe". There's exactly one country that has "Autobahns".
Honestly what High performance helped me with is that process in task manager that takes me like 20-25% that takes a while after you restart windows 11
I don't remember the name, but that worked way faster on my 1135g7 laptop
You lost me 😂😂😂
high performance on my rig doesnt stop the 11400 from being at 4398 mhz all the time. changing min processor state on high performance does nothing to change the clocks in hwinfo/hwmonitor or in taskmanager. balanced does let the cpu drop down to around 800mhz... but i worry from what you said it means i cant get to max clock when gaming? yet on balanced it seems to get to 4389 mhz at least. and i dont want my cores parked ever, under any circumstances. what i need is more options to turn off core parking, and high performance plan to acknowledge min processor state setting (its currently overridden by a registry setting Processor energy performance preference policy: set to 0 it prefers max performance)
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The performance gains really don't seem worth it if energy consumption is high on the list of priorities, so useful to show this.
As for the 0.1% lows, I don't understand why something that is only 1000th of the gameplay time would be of any practical use.
Because average frame rate doesn't account for times where the frame dips really low.
If you're playing a game and it seems to play fine most of the time but it hesitates and stutters occasionally, the 1% and .1% low is how you measure that. The closer you can get the 1% low to the average frame rate the smoother the game play is. It's just an indication of less dips in frame rate.
For instance I would rather have a 100 FPS average frame rate and a 90fps 1% low then a 300 FPS average frame rate and a 90fps 1% low.
The point is to get the average frame rate and the 1% low as close together as possible.
Here's someone doesn't know anything. Check your knowledge...
I measured cpu idle power consumption for high and balanced. High was 15 w at idle and balanced was 5w. This is on an intel i7 12700f.
Could you please describe how you measured cpu consumption?
You are correct on Win 11 power modes: 'Best Performance' instead of Balance or Best battery life. When I had it on 'Balance' my usb TV tuner adaptors disconnect automatically. (I thought faulty hardware or driver... After 'trial and error' with those modes; Best performance stops those frequent auto usb disconnects. Thank you for posting that video a few weeks ago - you saved me!!! (I never knew of those modes specifically in Windows 11 before). 🫨
Ooh! Ooh! I wanna know all about your SOLAR SETUP! Using less power than you produce, even with all your nifty toys, is of EXTREME interest to me! Please?
It cost me around 40k. It was actually pretty ridiculous. However, typically when you get solar they account for 5% over your typical usage and with mine I had them build it 20% over my typical usage so I wouldn't have to worry about an electric bill again and I am not what you would consider someone who conserves power. I run my AC all summer long and half the time all the lights are on in my house.
The only thing I didn't do that I wish I would have is batteries. I may upgrade it later.
THANK YOU! 😍And in my eyes, the pretty ridiculous toys are the most fun. Thanks again!@@CyberCPU