Robert Cochrane's Traditional Witchcraft: Pagan or Luciferian?
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
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Explore the enigmatic legacy of Robert Cochrane, a pivotal figure in the Traditional Witchcraft movement within Western esotericism, in our latest video, "Robert Cochrane's Traditional Witchcraft: Pagan or Luciferian?". Delve into the 1990s rise of this strand of witchcraft as a counter-current to the prevailing Pagan Witchcraft, and uncover why Cochrane is revered as its founding father. Unravel the complexities of Cochrane's Craft, which has shaped contemporary practices and sparked a surge of scholarly examination.
In this in-depth analysis, we scrutinise the theistic foundations of Cochrane’s Craft, probing the mystical entities and supernatural beliefs at its core. Drawing on peer-reviewed academic sources, we assess whether Cochrane’s tradition aligns with the Pagan Witchcraft religion, akin to Gardnerian, Alexandrian, or Cardellian Wicca, or if it represents a distinct path altogether.
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Doyle White, E. 2013. An Elusive Roebuck. Luciferianism and Paganism in Robert Cochrane’s Witchcraft. Correspondences: Journal for the Study of Esotericism. 1(1), pp.75-101.
available here correspondencesjournal.com/oj...
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00:00 Introduction: Robert Cochrane
01:16 Support Angela’s Symposium
03:07 Cochrane’s Thames Valley Coven & Clan of Tubal Cain
06:35 Pagan Witchcraft or Luciferian Gnosticism?
07:13 The sources: Cochrane, Valiente, etc, modern clan practices
08:04 Pagan Witchcraft vs Luciferian Traditions
10:36 Luciferianism in history: Aradia and Leland
11:39 Cochrane’s own writings
13:23 Doreen Valiente & Evan John Jones say the Clan is Pagan
15:23 The Clan of Tubal Cain in the USA
16:35 Shani Oates posits Luciferian Gnosticism
18:46 Summary: Luciferian, Pagan or both?
19:29 Support Angela’s Symposium
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Very interesing, you have it about right.
I do traditional witchcraft uk based in a coven. Been doing this a few years now.
Doreen valiente was a local witch in my town so have heard of her from time ro time. She haz a foundation.
Been in a few covens now, started in an alexandrian then a few others. Dont consider myself wicca.
But traditional as started by cecil williamson mueseum of witchrraft in cornawall.
Shani Oates has republished Cochrane's work in her Star Crossed Serpent series of books. It's intiatory their tradition. What she learned was passed on directly from Roy, via the years she spent as Evan Jones's student and becoming the Clan matriarch. The CTTC is described by S.O as "unreservedly" Luciferian. Although other Trad crafters may practice differently. Her book Tubalos Green Fire is a lot about their tradition for those that are interested.
Informative as always. 🌟
Hello Angela 👋thank you so very much!! This was crazy informative.
Great and informative video. I was not aware of Robert Cochrane until now. ⭐
Glad you enjoyed it
Ronald Hutton writes how Cochrane practiced what he and his peers called his "Grey Magic," which obscured any understanding of Cochrane himself. I think that means it's probably impossible to know whether Cochrane's own beliefs were Pagan or Luciferian. Thank you for helping to penetrate the veil of grey magic! 🌠
Loved this ⭐⭐⭐ I've been independantly/loosely, researching Cochranian tradition since the early 2000s. Based from my observations of it, Cochrane Craft started out Pagan and was under the Pagan umbrella for a while until sometime after Shani Oates became Maiden, and her clan started leaning towards Luciferianism and gained more Gnostic elements. There's a strong divide between the clans who consider themselves to be Pagan and those that call themselves Luciferian. In my opinion, from what I have read, it seems that both sides hold the same elements-Luciferian and Pagan. I guess it boils down to how the individual chooses to term themselves. Also in my opinion, the Cochranian tradition was never actually Wica but is a form of modern traditional witchcraft. Ok I rambled on enough Lol! Thank you for this great presentation ⭐
thanks for sharing
⭐ It's interesting learning about the personalities involved.
Thank you Angela. This was very interesting and well researched. My view since the late 90s when I took an interest in Cochrane & Co was that it was a mixture of both leaning towards Luciferianism. 🌟
🌟Not sure why there is a need to categorize everything so tightly. Modern Paganism and witchcraft all share common heritage. Early Asatru seemed to borrow a lot from Wicca for a time. I have seen so much overlap between various traditions when attending everything from CoS rituals to Asatru blots to Wiccan festivals.
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As always, super elucidating - as are the comments 🌞
Glad you think so!
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An excellent video, I've been trying to study the work of Andrew Chumbley. It's interesting to see the development of syncretisms and the blending of Luciferian gnosticism and Paganism. In my opinion by the time this blend reaches Chumbley it has developed into a new kind of cosmology distinct from the Mother Godess and Horned God cosmology of Wicca and the Lucifer focused cosmology of the Luciferians. That is just my thought though, I hope to hear your thoughts on Chumbley's work one day.⭐
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Esotericism, if strictly practiced, leaves no evidence of itself. But in general the mystics inner circle will know at least a few details.
✨️, here's your star emogy, very informative and well researched. I always like your videos, factual and to the point, without bias. Thank you for this one. ❤
🌟Another fantastic video!
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⭐🌟😺 Thank you for this video, may you have an awesome weekend!
Excellent video. Hope that someday you can do a video on Luciferian Witchcraft. And maybe the Feri Tradition? 🌟
Great suggestion!
⭐ great video as always!!! It so interesting that these pagan traditions always have so much background interpersonal drama.
Yes they do
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Excellent episode! I have heard a bit about Cochrane, 1734, and other related matters over the years, but not as much "actual history" as what you covered here--so, thanks so much for answering many questions I've had about this!
You also reminded me that I somewhat crossed paths with Dave Finnin at PantheaCon sometime in the late '00s (or perhaps early '10s), and what you've mentioned here makes much greater sense of it, and why I was talking with him in the first place. Everyone else I knew then seemed to know him and what he was about, but no one really explained it to me (even when I asked directly), they just kind of nodded and rolled their eyes and said, "Yeah, that tracks" when we discussed the incidents involved. Anyway...!?!
Ethan Doyle White does fantastic work...he wrote the academic articles on the tradition I practice as well, and did a superb job with them, which I wish was something more people could say when scholars study their practices! (Though I'm sure it's more the rule than the exception, I've heard more about bad experiences in this regard than good ones, unfortunately.)
Thank you, Angela 🌟
Another great video Angela. Thank you for all the work you put into bringing us this peer reviewed information regarding these occult systems. Ive been a fan of yours for a long time as well as justin and many others like Dan Attrell.
I stay grounded in the light of esoterica academia , so the work you guys do is very important to me . Ive written to you before Puca and ive been checking out some of the newer channels that cover the historical aspects of the classical mythologies of ancient Europe and the middle east. But when it comes to ceremonial magick and systems of the craft i always come home for the holidays. May your season of harvest and the winter months be cozy and warm. Many thx .Lucas☆
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⭐️ I have no idea. My few days in Brockenhurst told me very little.
Thank you - great piece! ⭐️
Great video, thank you for this.
Glad it was helpful!
Fascinating, I hadn't heard of Robert Cochrane before. ⭐
🌟 Great comparison. I'll have to look back for vids on some of the individuals and groups you discussed. I wouldn't mind watching a series on these groups. It would be interesting to trace the strands as they"ve developed decade by decade.
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I've been extremely drawn to the Clan of Tubal Cain ever since I first heard the name. I've been studying it, loosely, for a long time now.
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🌟🌟🌟I have to say that I am very interested in the hints I've seen around and about - and here - of a syncretism of sorts between Lugh/Lleu/Lugus and Lucifer occurring during the 20th century. Certainly something to consider in the history of neopagan witchcraft.
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I’ve heard apparently that Dani Filth from Cradle of Filth is a Luciferian, but I don’t really know that much about it so I can’t really comment on what he believes in or not.
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Considering that most prechristian religions had a morning star deity, there could be a pagan luciferian tradition that has little to no Christian influence. Although in modern times I think it’s very hard to escape that influence.
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