2003 IBM: "We've got a roadmap that will knock your socks off." 2005 Apple: "We don't know how to make the great products we can imagine with the PowerPC roadmap"
He was prob talkin about Desktop applications of their stuff. Though what Apple was really on about in 05 was that they couldn't get PPC chips into laptops, especially the G5. Though maybe that's not where IBM wanted to go they were prob striving for the ultimate in desktop speed without much thought to cooling and power usage which is where Apple wanted to go, they went more mobile starting in 03 remember. Yer right though I still find that hilarious everytime I watch it, shame though as I have a good few PPC macs that in the grand scheme of things aren't terribly old (well OK they're 15 years which is ancient in computing terms LOL but ye can still run updated software on the same age Windows machine if not spectacularly fast), and yet ye can't do much with em these days. Somebody else put it brilliant, if you'd just spent 5-6K on a Powermac G5 only to be told 2 months later Oh we're switching platforms, you'd prob feel abit p'ssed as I'm sure loads of people did just that, now granted they didn't discontinue support straight away but they weren't exactly gentle about it either.
@@Samspianopage While PowerPC was always terribly underpowered compared to x86 Intel, IBM was really short sighted with the G5. The Performance/power consumption ratio was absolutely horrendous. A large portion of the PowerMac G5 chassis was dedicated to cooling. Most of the G5 powered iMacs cooked themselves after a couple years. Yet even with all that power consumption the chips couldn't come close to matching Intel's performance at a FRACTION of the power consumption.
lol true so true they could make G4 laptops work and they were power hogs why couldn't they make the G5 work? it's not like Ibm was going away from power computing
@@Samspianopage well they could but........... the battery life of the laptop would have been in the shitter cause IBM couldn't make their chips energy efficient at all you see Steve talking about performance per watt and that's why intel works for them in ways that ppc couldn't and of course because intel caught up to AMD in 2005 and passed them by for performance soon after that had the put ppc against an AMD athlon 64 it would have been a slaughter for the G5 if they had tried that one why do you think they picked the Pentium4 to benchmark against they figured if AMD can beat Intel so can we and they did
oh common jobs is dead you can't expect someone else to talk like he did that's asking way way to much can you imagine someone else saying shit like this about the apples new chips nope it's no longer's the worlds fastest super computer it's just a cell phones cpu now in the systems they are making
@@Billyhime well it's true think about it when was the last time apple said there new computer is the most power super computer yeah it was when Steve Jobs was still alive🤣🤣🤣
Regardless of what I see in the comments, I absolutely loved my G5. It was awesome. My first Mac. Created so much on that machine. And before the transfer to intel, so many freeware applications were available for the system (back in Tiger/Leopard years) and they ran so well. Still have it to this day.
i am getting G5 in end-2018. Just glad that I'll have a piece of the platform that newest computers never will reach that attention to detail and quality.
The speed of my G4 when I first got it was very noticeable. My G5 was fast too, but my Mac Studio M1 Max is by far the fastest computer I have ever owned. G4 = 58 million transistors M1 Max = 57 Billion transistors
I miss those days. I still get excited when watching this classic WWDC. I really miss it. Today's WWDC doesn't seem to have passion and excitement; well at least that's how I feel but I still do love Apple. Thank you for uploading and sharing these videos.
yeah they never talk about their computer having kick ass words for the tech in their new chips and systems like they did with those old systems they made you want one cause they made it sound fast and powerful now apples do not make you think their new computers are that kicks ass anymore
Thats not a sell out, thats a company that recognizes their current hardware limitations. They saw that the G5 was hitting that glass ceiling and Intels chip's were still rising in power and getting cheaper to produce. It was a really good move and continues to be. If IBM's chips were able to compete then they wouldn't have made the move for the reasons they did, but it wasn't able to and thus we use Intel.
I would love to see them put that dual g5 against an athlon 64 of the time shame they didn't do that one instead putting it head to head with a shitty intel pentium 4 system
@@raven4k998the G5 predates the Athlon 64 by a few months (why they could get away with saying they were the first 64-bit processor), so they could either compare to the Athlon XP or the Pentium 4. I’m assuming the P4 probably had a more stark difference vs the G5 than the XP.
@@junaid9957782027 I sold it about 5 years ago. It wasnt great for much other than looking pretty, sadly. No software support etc. Was a decent web browsing / word processing machine with Linux installed though.
Acme ohh! Actually I have a Mac Pro 4,1 and its a good machine even for today for normal works that’s why I asked! I think those G5 cpus are its biggest negatives.
@Kenn Honson X Judging by your videos, you look to be around 12 years old. You are lying. Also in one of your videos uploaded after your comment it shows you using Windows. Stop lying kid.
Funny thing, I developed in 1997 under Windows NT4 for Alpha, on Alpha 21064 AXP 64 bit processor w/ Visual C++ 64 bit for Alpha, on our desktop computers: PowerPC G5 wasn't the first desktop 64 bit processor, in fact he was desktop-only at first instead being server+desktop as was DEC's Alpha CPU. And yes, the 21064 was on a class by itself compared to our brand new Pentium II running the same exact portable C code on the same payload, as we had several P2 servers and one Alpha server, all desktop computers in fact in our premise. 2X faster while clocked slower. Breakthrough! And btw we were beating our challenger for similar on-line service, they used IBM mini-computer, by a tenfold increase in performance (us in tenth of seconds for a request, them with seconds for the same request on the same Official dataset), for a tenth of the investment. This was for the French Trademarks dataset, we all received the same dataset on a CD-R and offered the same services. You have to note that IBM mini-computers are built to be failsafe, and meant to provide a lot other services in parallel, and much more complex services, but we built a resilient architecture (on non resilient microcomputers) by distributed computing instead for a simple service, that was eventually much more performant and cost effective on this specific payload and service.
@@atisbasak With 64-bit processors kernel started by default in 64-bit mode at last, in 10.6 and 10.7 kernel started in 32-bit mode even with 64-bit processors. One had to change it by hand.
They FINALLY had to admit that PowerPC was garbage compared to x86. OS optimizations can only take you so far with an inferior underlying architecture. Clock for clock a G4 was comparable to a P4, e.g. a 1.25 G4 equaled a P4 running at 1.25, and they never made them that slow. The G5 had decent performance, but MASSIVE power consumption. They moved to a Core2Duo that was nearly twice as fast at a fraction of the power consumption.
@ballachrille He's not fat... he is healthy... Steve looks like walking death nowadays. I think he needs to gain some weight. Every since he had cancer he never really recovered i guess. ;)
Steve Jobs CONTRADICTS him self from 2002 to 2005 he says Apple Think Different - the IBM POWER PC MAC G5 is the Fastest Computer in the world better than ANY INTEL XEON,Pentium PC. In late 2005 he says Apple will use INTEL only the same as PCs. Now Apple has the same Arcitecture as BILLIONS of PC's the only difference is Apple Operating system OSX and the design of the cases. The Power PC Range is ORIGINAL Apple Technology Intel Macs are basically PC's with OSX - What a sell out !
2003 IBM: "We've got a roadmap that will knock your socks off."
2005 Apple: "We don't know how to make the great products we can imagine with the PowerPC roadmap"
He was prob talkin about Desktop applications of their stuff.
Though what Apple was really on about in 05 was that they couldn't get PPC chips into laptops, especially the G5. Though maybe that's not where IBM wanted to go they were prob striving for the ultimate in desktop speed without much thought to cooling and power usage which is where Apple wanted to go, they went more mobile starting in 03 remember.
Yer right though I still find that hilarious everytime I watch it, shame though as I have a good few PPC macs that in the grand scheme of things aren't terribly old (well OK they're 15 years which is ancient in computing terms LOL but ye can still run updated software on the same age Windows machine if not spectacularly fast), and yet ye can't do much with em these days.
Somebody else put it brilliant, if you'd just spent 5-6K on a Powermac G5 only to be told 2 months later Oh we're switching platforms, you'd prob feel abit p'ssed as I'm sure loads of people did just that, now granted they didn't discontinue support straight away but they weren't exactly gentle about it either.
@@Samspianopage While PowerPC was always terribly underpowered compared to x86 Intel, IBM was really short sighted with the G5. The Performance/power consumption ratio was absolutely horrendous. A large portion of the PowerMac G5 chassis was dedicated to cooling. Most of the G5 powered iMacs cooked themselves after a couple years. Yet even with all that power consumption the chips couldn't come close to matching Intel's performance at a FRACTION of the power consumption.
I come from the future, they ditched Intel too.
lol true so true they could make G4 laptops work and they were power hogs why couldn't they make the G5 work? it's not like Ibm was going away from power computing
@@Samspianopage well they could but........... the battery life of the laptop would have been in the shitter cause IBM couldn't make their chips energy efficient at all you see Steve talking about performance per watt and that's why intel works for them in ways that ppc couldn't and of course because intel caught up to AMD in 2005 and passed them by for performance soon after that had the put ppc against an AMD athlon 64 it would have been a slaughter for the G5 if they had tried that one why do you think they picked the Pentium4 to benchmark against they figured if AMD can beat Intel so can we and they did
Lol at 2:13 he says "no prob-lems". Couldn't decide between "no problemo" and "no problems". :D
2:13
@@hoangvietcuong2569 2:06
I just wish today's Apple keynotes could be as brilliant as this one
oh common jobs is dead you can't expect someone else to talk like he did that's asking way way to much can you imagine someone else saying shit like this about the apples new chips nope it's no longer's the worlds fastest super computer it's just a cell phones cpu now in the systems they are making
@@raven4k998 😂
@@Billyhime well it's true think about it when was the last time apple said there new computer is the most power super computer yeah it was when Steve Jobs was still alive🤣🤣🤣
@@raven4k998not even about the product. Jobs can present a worst product ever but the keynote will still be interesting to watch
@@devaraft yeah he had a way with words back then shame he's dead now jim
Regardless of what I see in the comments, I absolutely loved my G5. It was awesome. My first Mac. Created so much on that machine. And before the transfer to intel, so many freeware applications were available for the system (back in Tiger/Leopard years) and they ran so well. Still have it to this day.
Tiger was my favorite OS ever
i still love mine lol
i am getting G5 in end-2018. Just glad that I'll have a piece of the platform that newest computers never will reach that attention to detail and quality.
The speed of my G4 when I first got it was very noticeable. My G5 was fast too, but my Mac Studio M1 Max is by far the fastest computer I have ever owned.
G4 = 58 million transistors
M1 Max = 57 Billion transistors
Very true. The new Apple M chips are very fast
First 64 bit processor in a personal computer, Just like now with the first phone to use 64 bits in iPhone 5S!
ThatGuyFromBRITAIN how about now. 64bit is Normal.
@@RobbyLender AMD followed Apple by releasing the Athlon 64 on the PC side about a year after the G5
@@mspeter97 Meanwhile Intel think these are amateurs, they think Itanium is the TRUE 64bit processor.
There where 64 bit CPU before this, like the DEC Alpha...
I miss those days. I still get excited when watching this classic WWDC. I really miss it. Today's WWDC doesn't seem to have passion and excitement; well at least that's how I feel but I still do love Apple. Thank you for uploading and sharing these videos.
apple died when steve died
Crazy that Apple went from competing with IBM to working with them, then competing with Intel to working with them, then competing with them again.
God damn what nostalgia. Please come back Steve Jobs and 2003 Apple.
yeah they never talk about their computer having kick ass words for the tech in their new chips and systems like they did with those old systems they made you want one cause they made it sound fast and powerful now apples do not make you think their new computers are that kicks ass anymore
@@raven4k998 The gigahertz war is over, that’s why.
Thats not a sell out, thats a company that recognizes their current hardware limitations. They saw that the G5 was hitting that glass ceiling and Intels chip's were still rising in power and getting cheaper to produce. It was a really good move and continues to be. If IBM's chips were able to compete then they wouldn't have made the move for the reasons they did, but it wasn't able to and thus we use Intel.
Today Apple is transitioning the entire Mac lineup to their own Apple Silicon processors because Intel is no longer innovative.
"Massive Branch Prediction Logic"
What is it?
I don't know, but it works. LOL :))
*predicts branches
It's the reason why you have Spectre and Meltdown
I would love to see them put that dual g5 against an athlon 64 of the time shame they didn't do that one instead putting it head to head with a shitty intel pentium 4 system
@@raven4k998the G5 predates the Athlon 64 by a few months (why they could get away with saying they were the first 64-bit processor), so they could either compare to the Athlon XP or the Pentium 4. I’m assuming the P4 probably had a more stark difference vs the G5 than the XP.
i remember this day. it was huge.
5:05 He smashed it ... the architecture.
I can't believe it's the first time I'm seeing this video. I've worked in Fishkill for 23 years. Sad to say we don't make this trip anymore lol
What happened right now there?
I'm watching this 10 years later because I just bought a G5 xD
How's it holding up?
@@junaid9957782027 I sold it about 5 years ago. It wasnt great for much other than looking pretty, sadly. No software support etc. Was a decent web browsing / word processing machine with Linux installed though.
Acme ohh! Actually I have a Mac Pro 4,1 and its a good machine even for today for normal works that’s why I asked! I think those G5 cpus are its biggest negatives.
Can't believe even this comment is 11 years old
11 years later, and we now have computers in our pockets that are way more powerful than this.
I love this.
watching this on my powermac g5 lol
@Kenn Honson X Judging by your videos, you look to be around 12 years old. You are lying. Also in one of your videos uploaded after your comment it shows you using Windows. Stop lying kid.
@@oriondewitt dude its a joke because apple products are expensive
Nice! Just got one yesterday
R.I.P. STEVE JOBS
love the jokes that he made. cant get it from the modern ones
2019
its 2019 and im here lol
Hello from 2020.
Hello from 2021.
Hello from 2077.
@@atisbasak lol how is the world there?
@@editorkmanikhemmusicprod I played the game Cyberpunk 2077 and the world is dominated by a giant megacorporation called Arasaka Corporation.
Steve at it's best... Now it's more like Howard Huges kinda paranoid freak
Steve Jobs: says anything
The audience: 👏👏👏
Nah, the clapping is fine. Its the Wooooo Guy, i wanna punch in the face so hard...
Have you ever seen that in the 80's apple hated IBM, but now they are working with them?
130nm technology??? Apple is now designing 5nm CPUs!!!
Just one year later there were 90nm PowerPC G5 processors.
3nm was released 1 week ago…
@@covert0overt_810 3nm??? peasants...we push around atomic nuclei now!
7:58 Famous last words 😂😂
Funny thing, I developed in 1997 under Windows NT4 for Alpha, on Alpha 21064 AXP 64 bit processor w/ Visual C++ 64 bit for Alpha, on our desktop computers: PowerPC G5 wasn't the first desktop 64 bit processor, in fact he was desktop-only at first instead being server+desktop as was DEC's Alpha CPU.
And yes, the 21064 was on a class by itself compared to our brand new Pentium II running the same exact portable C code on the same payload, as we had several P2 servers and one Alpha server, all desktop computers in fact in our premise. 2X faster while clocked slower. Breakthrough!
And btw we were beating our challenger for similar on-line service, they used IBM mini-computer, by a tenfold increase in performance (us in tenth of seconds for a request, them with seconds for the same request on the same Official dataset), for a tenth of the investment.
This was for the French Trademarks dataset, we all received the same dataset on a CD-R and offered the same services.
You have to note that IBM mini-computers are built to be failsafe, and meant to provide a lot other services in parallel, and much more complex services, but we built a resilient architecture (on non resilient microcomputers) by distributed computing instead for a simple service, that was eventually much more performant and cost effective on this specific payload and service.
I remember watching this at the Mall of America Apple Store.
2003 64-bit CPU but 64-bit kernel introduced in 2012, macos 10.8.
64 bit kernel was actually introduced in 2009 with Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. With OS X Mountain Lion, all macs had 64 bit processors.
@@atisbasak With 64-bit processors kernel started by default in 64-bit mode at last, in 10.6 and 10.7 kernel started in 32-bit mode even with 64-bit processors. One had to change it by hand.
@@przemysawpiorkowski9370 In Mac Pro and Xserve 2008 and later, Mac OS X 10.6 and later defaulted to 64 bit kernel.
the mac G5...Price??? gemme your wallet! thats how much it is.
hello im for year 2021
Hello I'm from year 2077 and I've seen what the future of humanity looks like.
2:13
my G5 is still running fine, its a later model with 2 xeons not IBM´s, but i do video edits and it works fine
That's called a Mac Pro not a G5
@@ChimpyChamp Your typical Apple user.
@@thomasanderson5929 I'm a typical Hackintosh user.
12 Core Processor
3:55 joker laugh
and 2 years later they ditched it lmao
They FINALLY had to admit that PowerPC was garbage compared to x86. OS optimizations can only take you so far with an inferior underlying architecture. Clock for clock a G4 was comparable to a P4, e.g. a 1.25 G4 equaled a P4 running at 1.25, and they never made them that slow. The G5 had decent performance, but MASSIVE power consumption. They moved to a Core2Duo that was nearly twice as fast at a fraction of the power consumption.
jblyon2 and the fact is even p4 was not efficient at all...that pretty much tell the whole story
3 years latér
It’s a shame the G5 ended up being a flop.
@ballachrille He's not fat... he is healthy... Steve looks like walking death nowadays. I think he needs to gain some weight. Every since he had cancer he never really recovered i guess.
;)
the original cheese grater... the best case ever made
rip i god
Do they still make these G5 processors? LOL
Technically yes, IBM has the Power architecture of CPUs on their servers and mainframes.
Apple ditched IBM after this lol
Why did he dress like a sad dad
This is what the real pro is, not the imac pro
Mac Pro 2019: Hold my beer.
full simp
Steve Jobs CONTRADICTS him self from 2002 to 2005 he says Apple Think Different - the IBM POWER PC MAC G5 is the Fastest Computer in the world better than ANY INTEL XEON,Pentium PC. In late 2005 he says Apple will use INTEL only the same as PCs. Now Apple has the same Arcitecture as BILLIONS of PC's the only difference is Apple Operating system OSX and the design of the cases.
The Power PC Range is ORIGINAL Apple Technology
Intel Macs are basically PC's with OSX - What a sell out !
But now they are using their own Apple chips from PA Semi (now Apple Silicon)
I like my G5, but the jerk on stage looks like someone trying to cure cancer by eating fruit.
Um what
Worlds fastest PC ...lol ...utter bullshit