Can the reality show Loud prove that idols can go beyond K-pop
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- JYP and PSY are creating a new music reality show called Loud. While Loud sounds like yet, another show, it has a twist. Namely, the show wants to promote artistic values and put K-pop in the backseat.
Loud aims to debut 2 male bands under P Nation (PSY) and JYP Entertainment. The show will ask if artistic skills, such as writing lyrics, music composition, and vocals can overcome the K-pop standards of hot looks, slick choreography, and having the K-pop sound.
Can Loud's band concept catch on in Korea and internationally? Let's find out!
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TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Intro
2:02 The big questions Loud will answer
2:40 Why Loud could catch on
3:41 Why Loud may not catch on
5:15 My take if Loud could catch on
7:19 K-pop is still in its infancy in the West
8:35 Now the wait begins
10:11 Now over to you
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SOURCES:
► www.soompi.com/article/143531...
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► www.koreaherald.com/view.php?u...
► • LOUD "Boys be LOUD"
► www.pri.org/stories/2020-05-2...
► • JYP 6th Audition 2010 ...
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Some of my favorite Kpop songs are b-sides with no choreography, so this concept is interesting. I'm looking forward to the show.
Same! I want to see if idol groups can thrive on pure artistic and musical talent, much like B-side songs.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The only reason idol kpop is so big is because of the fandom subculture and it’s emphasis on things like dance, visuals, and simple lyrics. Take that away, the language and cultural barrier is too strong, People would rather listen to frankly more artistic centered music in their own language and similar cultures.
Agreed 100% and you bring a really strong point. Only because of K-pop's emphasis on dance, visuals, and simple lyrics are the big reasons why it caught on overseas. K-pop is very Westernized and to most countries, that's type of sound is what they're used to and accepted.
But once you go outside that poppy standard and advance past that, that language and culture barrier is simply too strong. Unless a radical movement happened, like Korean becoming one of the world languages like how English is, Korean music such as trot, indie, and ballads will have an extremely hard time catching on.
authenticity, even a little bit still helps. people still can express themselves through their music, you are are right with your take too. but not all groups are the same.
Idols have been trying to push their artistic integrity first for many years but the companies always focus on idols who sell the most despite its artistic merit. 🙃 We can find these examples in JYP alone. 🍵
yes...i hope after this jype would change... I mean look at stray kids
I’m truly very curious to how the show will go on, the auditions, the surviving episodes and just how everything will go. It’s really interesting to see two companies come together to make a boygroup
I'm curious too! As another commentor said, P Nation is rumored to debut a hip-hop group. Let's see how a non-K-pop idol group goes.
I just want more variety in kpop. Its all so saturated now. Feels like a new group is debuting everyday with the same concept as the last group that debuted
jyp always try new idea o.o, in 2020 he make new japanese only group and in 2021 he want to make non-mainstream kpop group.. wew, i respect this man always trying new thing
Definitely, while JYP does have some controversy among K-pop fans for how he handles his boy groups, I do like him overall. He's often trying to push new concepts in music.
Interesting points. Here's my thoughts:
1. While you are right that the K-pop fans that wants to move out from the stereotypes is a minority, it is still significant enough that Korean music can be accessible on Spotify beyond K-pop. Also, Diablo, a Korean metal band has significant English comments in their music videos, especially from metalheads who find them just as hardcore as the western counterparts.
2. If JYP wants to be real wild with this idea, they should contact Ichikara Inc. to set up a joint venture to make Nijisanji KR singers under their wing. That will make K-pop fans and Virtual UA-camr fans go wild.
3. I hope that the end result isn't Korean counterparts of Westlife or One Direction. That would be a big turn off for domestic and international fans.
Here's my responses:
1. I do think there can be a decent niche for Korean metal and rock bands overseas. Like you said, Diablo has some metalhead fans that are hardcore. The problem is going overseas for non-K-pop (and some hip-hop groups) is usually unprofitable. The only profitable ventures overseas are K-pop groups.
2. I can see JYP possibly doing that, as he's bee known to think outside the box and experiment often.
3. Yeah, I wouldn't like to see these groups turn into those groups as well.
The long awaited video🙌
Is a very risky show, But if this succeed, they are gonna became your typical western style industry, Similar to what happened to Japan some decades ago after the 1st Idol wave that lasted about 40 years died down. I guess this is a natural process tho... And even if that doesn't happen now, is gonna during this century.
I see what you mean. I'm hoping "Loud" could work, since I want to see more artistic talent in K-pop.
If we see more artistic talent, I think indie music, hip-hop, funk, and other genres in Korean music will be listened to more.
@@Popsori Rumor has it that Psy will be making a hip-hop group rather than a band; JYP wants the band for his label. And if you want to see Psy's concepts for idol groups, check out iKON on Chinese show Heroes of Remix; Psy was the producer/mentor for them there.
@@klynb Oh cool, thanks for the suggestions! I think I will check out Heroes of Remix.
As for making a hip-hop group, now that's interesting. I wanna see that happen.
JYP is debuting a band through this like day6 i believe, we already know this, psy is debuting their first bg
Just found this video, so I'm wondering: What are your current thoughts on the show and the participants?
Personally I've been really enjoying the show and all those boys are truly talented and quite diverse, too. The few songs they produced by themselves on the show so far also are all bops in my opinion, so when this is what they're capable of pre-debut (and at such young age), I can't wait to see what they'll put out in the future once they debuted.
I have some favorites, but I'm honestly totally okay with whoever gets to debut because they all deserve it, all I want is that Jyp and Psy give them all the artistic freedom they want and deserve, since that is kinda the whole point of the show
FINALLY!!
But for p nation I think it's going to be a typical kpop boygroup with self producing members for jyp I don't know
Did all participants on loud already get their message that they pass?because me i didn't get any notifications since i apply on this program
Your take was very interesting. I live in the US. Where can I watch “Loud?” Do you think it will end up on Viki eventually? While I’m also into the traditional male Kpop groups, I do agree that to be successful these days in the Kpop world it depends on your management agency and how good your social media is....talent is way down the road....1the9 and Lim Jimin as a solo artist are every bit as good as the top groups, but just didn’t have the force behind them. And, it seems like 50% of every young Korean male/female is a trainee.
Hi Cindy, right now the show is restricted to Korea, but you still watch it. I watch the show on Naver cast using VPN. You need to use VPN, since Naver video is only accessible if you live in Korea.
bit.ly/2T57bMs
You're right that with K-pop groups, it really does depend on your management agency and how good your marketing -- aka social media -- is. Talent is way down the list in what makes a group successful.
Like you said, you'll see underrated groups and soloists and think "why wasn't this singer/group more popular," but didn't either have the marketing, management, or wasn't idol K-pop enough.
And now the groups are finished, I think it is sad that Eun Whi got into Pnation, he is an amazing lyricist and composer, and he is stuck in a group with a little kid that will be forever known as the group with a little kid and all his talent and skill will be overshadowed forever.
lucy won't be replaced but hopefully there will be more groups like lucy.
I'd love Queens Of The Stone Age/ Bring Me The Horizon/ Bad Suns/The Donnas/The Bangles/The Vines but Korean
People downplay the importance of looks. Korea as a whole put so much emphasis on visuals with all those cosmetic surgery ads. Whats worse is that idols who are "ugly" get roasted by knetz.
Agreed 100%, looks are so emphasized in K-pop, especially by some K-netz. Korea is a very appearance-based society, especially in entertainment.
I know with foreign fans, they value looks too. But even if an idol isn't the best looking, international K-pop fans usually won't be mean about their appearance.
Pnation group are the best now !
Especially koki
Pnation definitely has some serious talent. How are you enjoying the show Loud so far?
@@Popsori very much waiting for next episode
Oh nice! I'm catching up myself, having missed the last few episodes. About to watch episode 11 in a bit.
What do you mean K-pop go beyond mainstream. K-pop is the global mainstream music now
While K-pop is big and known, it's not as mainstream as you think in the West (in East and Southeast Asia, sure).
Most listeners in the West are casual fans that may heard of a few songs or BTS, but that's it. For the most part, international casual fans and even K-pop fans only know a few K-pop acts (BTS, Blackpink, Twice).
Loud is just hype & PR to bring in more anti-KPOP & new KPOP fans, but the Boy Groups will still be KPOP bcz they have to succeed domestically to be accepted internationally. Most of the International fans have FOMO. Korean fans feel a sense of national pride in supporting their Korean government-funded KPOP groups, as though America will envy/acknowledge their KPOP groups if they nearly-imitated & replicated American artists/tastes but with Korean eyes. So they support groups that they think Americans will love or suit American tastes. Koreans just dont want to be insulted with accusations of being uncultured & backward. Surrounded by developing, poorer South East Asian countries, they know only too well how insulting "ugly looks & no dance talent" comments can be. LOUD can call itself anti-looks, anti-dance, anti-KPOP, but will they really want to miss out on CFs, drama/movie appearances & concerts in a dance-obsessed South East Asia? If not at first, the group's young members will slowly be trained to dance for their later songs. Viewers will just see more personal stories, drama & unique performances of these young, talented boys, for free. There seems to be some level of trust in Korea, bcz Americans have been through issues of exploiting the young for profit with Jackson 5, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, etc.
aside fr BTS i also like artists like Crush, Kim Feel and Hwang Chi Yeol. They are not typical K-pop. It could be because of my age and my exposure to K-tv shows, movies and dramas here in Singapore. But at the moment i don't really like trot. Maybe k-hiphop i can still tolerate.
I have a question do you think jyp is one of the worst K-pop company's, don't get me wrong he is great at cultivating talent no doubt but he seems to sabotage his boy groups and now it seems ever since itzy and niziu came out and are doing amazing on both charts and sales he and the company said twice who let's not mention what he did to 2pm and wonder girls and miss a and got 7 and now with day6 no promo is jyp sabotaging twice because he has two girl groups that are killing it currently i would love to know you're opinion on this thanks.
Well bts have more than 16B streaming on spotify is just audio not any dancing and my favorite bts song's don't have any mv or dance
Sure and that's great that the B-sides are your favorites. But I'm sure you probably first found out about BTS through one of their MVs with dancing and slick K-pop video production.
From there, you checked out some of BTS' B-side songs without dancing and MV and enjoyed them more.
@@Popsori that's because i was searching kpop mv shure i saw first the mv???
@@JK-zy8vj It's more than likely. I'm not saying it's not possible that you first heard a B-side of theirs.
It's just that nearly all people first discover BTS through one of their MVs with a ton of dance in it. The UA-cam algorithm promotes those MVs a lot too.
Who’s the only kpop group who won KMA?...exactly!
Yes, BTS won multiple awards at the 2021 KMAs. That's great for them and the ARMY. But what's your point?
There’s a Kband called Day6
Yeah.... I mentioned them multiple times in the video. I ask this nicely, but did you even watch the video?
Better than nothing. However, it's still arguably having the image of lightsticks and associating with JYP. Meaning international K-pop fans will support them as a rock band. Only a few tried to push for their success as a rock band and not part of the K-pop scene.
Face it for native Koreans, they don't take the material seriously until Westerners like you do. They take more pride to indie groups and hip hop acts, or more recently trot. Like K-pop, trot is totally Korean as well.
I was asking that because not many Kpop UA-camrs talk about day6
@@somallyaaa2065 Ahhhh gotcha. I do think Day6 is one of the few pop/rock bands in K-pop right now.
@@Popsori The aesthetic is that they are promoting an original idea without going outside the box with the musicians involved. Cool and cute flower boys playing instruments.