The whole flattening of the other strings during bends is kind of a dealbreaker for me. It's a trade between functionality that I do use regularly with functionality that I don't.
@@funkyfinnegan uh, no? doesnt that just make it so you cant pull up on the whammy. Im not disagreeing I just dont have understanding of a trem blocker if itll actually stop the tension on other strings during bends.
idk with my edge pro(ibanez prestige bridges) never really noticed my bridge moving much at all when I bend. I think edge pros are like the best floating bridges in the world though. Certainly i never notice being out of key or tune when I do reinforced bends it sounds just fine.
Make sure it comes properly set up for your preferred string gauge and desired tuning and when changing strings, either change one at a time or block the bridge beforehand. If you have one more guitar you can easily change tuning if you wish to, Floyd Roses are excellent, but unless you really only play on a single tuning, don't get one to be your one and only guitar. Also, don't buy it just for the novelty of whammy bar tricks, you'll end up getting bored of it and loose the only reason you've bought it. I got mine mostly for the higher tuning stability, most of the time I don't even have the bar on.
Buying a Floyd and not using the bar is like buying a Porsche without a stick shift. Yeah, you can do it...but every excuse you make up just exposes your lack of skill.
@@philfrank5601 that's nonsense, i like the bar but i have been amazed at how better my schaller stays in tune compared to my fixed bridges, it's amazing to be able to play for ages and not have any slippage. Even high end hardtails go out if you are aggressive, but a well setup floyd can stay in for a whole gig
I agree that if you only have one workhorse, you're gonna have less trouble with a hardtail, but if you're going to play in a more aggressive way, the Floyd rose is gold.
Personally, I love my Floyd. Yes, it was kind of a hassle to set up at first, but it only gets easier from there, and I virtually never have to tune it.
@@kelektark7691 Making it so you can only go down in pitch, rather than both directions. There's a lot of things for it like tremblockers. It's mostly because the tension of the back springs is enough to hold the trem flush with the body, leading to changing tunings just feeling like a Fender trem with much better tuning stability. Technically that's how Floyd Roses were meant to be installed as well, it's why old Kramers didn't have a little body cavity cut out on the top. People didn't really use it as a floating bridge back then because it hurts tuning stability.
I didn't get a floyd until after playing hardtails for 20 years. Most people will never get through the hype of them being a pain. When you learn how to do things properly it takes zero effort. My first floyd set up took about 4 hours because I didn't look for help. Now I have it down to about 15 min. Using a block or stack of business cards to hold the bridge level allows you to tune or down tune in seconds, without having to mess with the claw. The only real downsides are breaking a string on stage and bending doublestops. Plus, you can always hardtail it and be in tune forever.
I've been using them for thirty years! By doing nothing other than properly removing the springs I can remove the bridge, set it next to the guitar, work on the guitar and then replace the bridge and the springs and the guitar is still perfectly in tune!
Hello from the other side of the world probably (Osaka Japan o/) but I was curious and searching this topic as to why so many of you dislike FR! But yes it isn't a hassle to use and is extremely versatile more than what you would think. Playing on stage I replaced most of my instruments with FR style bridges because I just love the feel and stability. Really just tricks not always fitting the style, so dont think that. My advice is to get one early so you will become familiar using it and then all of the hassle is removed through repeat and experience. Next you will simply have an extra tool, which providing you buy a decent guitar with an FR original component is nice and will serve your learning very much.
@@ErraticFaith Well most people just hear how complicated it is and can't be bothered to see actually how simple it is. I'll admit I was one for years. I watched a video on the FU Tone channel and it changed my life on floyds. People have this opinion of when you tune one string it throws all the other strings out. And it does, if you do it wrong. If you just block the floyd and then tune, remove the block. It will be slightly out of tune. People try to use the fine tuners and it throws the guitar out of whack. But if you take the block out and then tune the A string by adjusting the claw in back of the guitar and not the fine tuners, it pulls the guitar into tune evenly. If tuning a hard tail is a 1/10 for difficulty, tuning a floyd is a 2/10 if you know how to do it properly. But after 30 years of people saying it's complicated, it's hard to convince people otherwise.
@@strayzilla Yes, I understand you (: Its a shame an similar in much of music. People read online that its so difficult and think it make sense because they have no knowledge thats different. Its frustrating very much when beginners tell you what they have read, doubting your actual experience and it happens with many things. My keyboard player says the same. She came to a class and young students saying something is useless because it lacks one modern feature. Then when she will play on an much older board they are surprised because it sound so great even with older technologies! Never any replacement for learn, practise and experience. If you read its just an opinion but maybe for you, you will personally like it! So you must always not take other peoples words but make some for yourself. I hope its clear what I mean (: My ESP guitars with OFR are so special for me because the stability and play is so great. I have some hardtail and other but always I reach for it and its strange to not have it now so you get used to it and extra work become worth it. Thanks!
@@ErraticFaith I just had my first guitar a month ago and it was equipped with a Floyd Rose bridge but before that, I consumed all the information I could find about dealing with a Floyd Rose bridge. By the time my guitar came, I was able to set it up and tune it in less than 30 minutes and it does hold tune pretty well.
I'll get a floyd guitar but only because I already have one with a hard tail which is great for messing with the tuning. I'll set up the floyd guitar in drop D and use the digitech drop to tune lower if need be. The less you mess with it the better.
I have both a floyd and a fixed bridge, bt after doing research I believe that the Kahler bridge is the best. Why? because it's both a fixed and tremolo system. The bridge locks into place and you can play it like any other but then simply unlock and use it just like a floyd. Only problem is the price because its about $300 for just the bridge and parts. If I had the money it would definitely be a good investment.
if you know how to pick string gauges, drop tuning is just as stable as standard. If you need drop and standard you can either have 2 guitars or you can set it up properly and use the fine tuner on the bridge to drop tune and level out the others in a few seconds. spring noise is super simple to get past, all you need is a bit of foam to pad it, ive even use the big rubber bands that come on like broccoli to wrap around the strings just enough to get rid of spring noise, but not really change the feel of using the tremolo arm like padding with foam can do, but i use 4 springs so thats not usually an issue for me. great video, none of the points made were wrong. But there are ways of getting rid of those cons, and they are all small, and cost free
Hello friend, i purchased a Schecter hellraiser c1 fr sustainiac. I want to drop D, i have gauge 42. If i change the string to 46 will stabilize the tension? Or should i go higher?, 48? 52? Mine has a Floyd Rose 1000 series The Schecter hybrid c1 fr s has a Floyd rose 1500, wich one is better? What is the difference? And what hybrid means in those two guitars? Thank you!
Ángel Castellanos Martínez FR 1500 has a push in whammy bar so you don’t have to screw it in , it also has stainless steel components. If you want to drop tune unlock the nut and decrease the tension of the springs in the back of the guitar then tune up to your desired tuning keep messing around with the springs and you will eventually get it right.
Eliminate the hassle of drop d by installing a bridge lock and a drop tuning mechanism by tone vise. Also put damping material in the spring cavity to eliminate spring sound. No problems from mine at all. Only draw back is you can’t pull up on whammy bar.
Thank you sooo much for this video! The floyd rose does appear intimidating at first glance. I was just about to purchase one from guitar center without knowing much about them SMDH!
The floyd rose is also probably the most comfortable bridge out there. Any guitar I get for metal is gonna have a floyd (preferably the original). Best bridge out there IMO.
If you're like me and you just have a couple guitars that you like to noodle around with and learn on, I can say from experience having an FR is both fun if you're into the whammy-bar gimmicks and nice when you just need that standard or that drop guitar always on hand and nearly always in tune, to just pick up and have fun with. Oh, and learning how it all worked and the tuning process just spoke to the engineer/technician in me, you never have the thing fall out of tune but then the process is fun anyway, I iterate through all those strings having to make smaller and smaller adjustments until it's zeroed and balanced across the bar and it's just fine...it's satisfying.
This is a great video. I think I've learned that the cons outweigh the pros for me. I may get a guitar setup with one for fun, or try it at a guitar center one day, but my itch to perform those dragonforce tricks has disappeared when I think about all the stuff you've gotta do.
I don't know why people hate floyd rose bridges so much, I got myself one after doing some research on the internet and I don't/didn't have any problems. I bought mine for 200€ (247$) which is a Cort X6 and I love it.
Matteo マテお Kyselý same, I spent a month watching videos, than goed to a must store and tried it out, I even got to watch a guitar technician do it by a new I'm stock guitar Just inform yourself and apply that step by step, also re-check especially in the beginning
Kyselý キセリーMatteo マッテオ wait till you bust a few strings mid gig then come back to me . They are not worth the trouble. Learn to bend properly and you don’t need one
Floyd Rose + ESP arming adjuster = WIN. Floyd rose capability , rock solid tuning , attack , sustain of a fixed bridge. Faster to tune too. Steve vai uses almost same kind of the system, called ibanez trem stopper, shown on his live rig rundown videos :)
Je Ry hes not gonna answer the whole tone wood debate 🤣 Essentially some people think that different woods create different tones Let’s say mahogany has a thick and warm sound (I have no idea about this) and ash has a twangy and snappy sound (same I have no idea). If you wanted to play country you would go for the ash, but if you wanted to play classic rock, you would choose mahogany. So yea that’s the basics
@@seamusforpresident3670 I have been educated since then,but what I believe is that depending on the density of the wood it affects how much vibration it takes in, let's say a high density wood will not absorb that many vibrations so there will be more sustain and a brighter snappier tone of some sort,even if you can eq the bass in order to get that tone,or a low density wood will absorb way more vibration and decrease the sustain and make the tone warmer I'd say,at least this is what I believe,maybe I'm stupid and don't understand physics,if that's the case feel free to bitch slap me with knowledge.
I always brought them to a shop until this week, when I decided to do it myself, to change my gauge and tuning. Well it turned out perfectly. The only thing I regret is thinking it was too hard to do myself for so long. It isn’t. My next guitar will be a fixed bridge, because I would like to also have a fixed bridge where I can quickly change whatever I want. But if I didn’t have a Floyd I would want one.
I am thinking of getting a guitar with a floyd rose bridge. What would be your suggestion? My first guitar is a fixed bridge basic bolt-on Ibanez guitar which I have always been happy with, actually. I am also looking for a set-thru or neck-thru model. Should I get a set/neck-thru guitar with a Floyd Rose or a fixed bridge?
There are tremolo systems like the one EVH had, which has a small controller to drop the E to a low D and it stays in tune. I believe the Wolfgang guitar has that system. IMO, if you want to use a diff tuning, it is best to have more than one guitar. This way, you can leave the first guitar all set and not have to mess with it.
It's called a D-tuna, but IMO it's a temporary compromise because you're still tuning down a lighter gauge string - intonation and tension will be off. And yes, if you play in multiple tunings, it's just easier to have multiple guitars, each dedicated to that tuning, although that's an expensive option that only professionals can justify.
Great review and a fun Whammy bar system. One thing I don’t like about the Floyd Rose system, is if you accidentally pop a string all the other strings go out of tune .
I've been in the process of making my ibanez into one with the floyd rose tremlo bridge and I've been putting it off since I have to carve out the cavity for the bridge myself..I could have easily been talked out of it but your light words of heavy influence really solidified my decision of continuing with the plan for the floyd rose :) thanks dude.
Solid short vid. No fluff. Thanks. Also I love your LTD. If I was buying one that is exactly what I’d get. That all around inlay!!!! I’m a sucker for it.
Hey, great video! So if I'm switching tunings a lot, for example between standard and drop C, I would have to adjust the tension of the springs every time, right? That seems like a huge turn off...
Yes, correct That being said, I’d really just recommend to go ahead & learn to love your instruments enough to enjoy putting on some music & going through maintenance. Any musical instrument you buy will demand maintenance, floating bridge guitars are just the worst of it
tuning stability with bends is HUGE I bought a jackson Js32 second hand and it's a monster in tuning stability. regular floyds have the knife edge poles just nailed in the body. Jackson has them screwed in a metal plate that is bolted flush to the body. I am telling you. I don't have to tune it unless I change the strings. All cons in this video are still standing. but unless you want a fixed bridge, floyd is the way to go
You make a great point on only Floyds being worth using. The fact that I only used the bridge and neck pickup on my Strat and that I was completely indifferent to the tremolo was a sign I should have opted for a Tele way back.
Gotoh 510 when setup properly will do even the floppiest of string divebombs without the need for a locking nut. When I saw it do that, I knew it was the real deal.
Since we are talking about Floyd Rose bridges, which one is best? Original Floyd, Floyd Rose Special, or the licensed floyd rose that comes on the guitar? I think the original is the best
Holy shit. This is the first time I've ever heard of a Floyd Rose. Thank you for this very informative video in terms of pros and cons. Being able to do a huge dive bomb sounds like a lot of fun. At the same time, sometimes less is more. You can do more with a subtle touch to the whammy bar then to go overboard. I find this quite interesting cuz I've never heard of this thing until now. I'm about to purchase a Gibson SG with a side vibrola. I understand it's relatively fragile. Although I was told by my guitar mechanic that if the guitar is set up properly before you take it home you should be able to use the vibrola and not have your guitar go completely out of tune. I guess with the money I'm spending on guitars, I'd rather treat it with kid gloves when it comes to the wiggle stick then take a chance of damaging a guitar that's four or five grand.
Haha. Lol. Even Steve Vai's signature PIA is around 3.5k USD, and so is John Petrucci's Majesty. I find if extremely hard to beleive that you really bought a 5 grand guitar.
@@ashuzguitar Believe it. I paid $5K for a Custom Shopop Gibson SG with the side Vibrola. it's a 60th Anniversary and the whole thing is Relicted by the Custom shop. The hardware is all that antiqued nickel finish. I got it cuz I thought it looks cool. Most people are not going to buy a sideways vibrola because of the tuning concerns.
@@ashuzguitar I made them give me a print out of the price tag. 60th Anniversary Custom Shop Relic SG with a side vibrola. It was on display and I almost never buy display guitars. But they told me it would be a year before they got another one in. They made so many versions of that SG but this one is a Custom Shop.Can you attach photos to these messages?
This is why I love CSIL's new block with a thumbscrew on it that adjusts spring tension on the fly No need to take out screwdriver or anything like that And OFC get noise proof springs I think the problem with Floyd's is Floyd Rose themselves and how _they_ did it wrong for so many years but got the patent on it anyway and basically made it so no one else could offer anything better -- until now :) BUT...double edged sword, people are resistant to change, they'd rather use something that's been around forever!
I love my floyd because of the possibilities (pulls, dives etc), but i've unscrewed all the nut locks because i often change tunings (mainly because i play a lot of rocksmith). Anyone think that playing without the nutlocks can have a negative effect?
I've played a Floyd rose for 15 years. If you leave the nut unlocked it will constantly go out of tune. I lock mine with drop D tuning and the fine tuners most of the way unscrewed. This way I can screw down the 6 string form D to E standard without touching the locking nut and the strings stay in tune a lot better. Trust me. I've messed around with every set up imaginable over the years. This is the way to go.
so im going to get a floyd rose guitar for my birthday and i change my tunings a lot so can i really play without the locking nut. will it affect my guitar in negative ways?
Extremely informative video. Excellent job. After watching this, it's really not something I want to mess with. I mean, is it really worth going through all that hassle just to do a stupid dive bomb when you can do something just as creative using other more subtle tricks and techniques. Very good job of explaining all this, very thorough.
Jake, this is a very comprehensive video. I have two questions which may be of benefit to anyone selecting bridge types on a new guitar, and I hope you will field them. 1) if the bridge is pulled forward during a string bend on a floating bridge, does it make vigorous string bending in general more difficult because all strings and hardware are connected? 2) if other strings go flat when a string is bent on a floating bridge, then unison bending (involving two strings) a la Gary Moore will sound way off?
Well, I bought a use Suhr with the Floyd Rose, and wow, it seems like a real pain. But, your video was great and I will work with the guitar. Thank you.
Just Get it thats all I wanted to hear lol, been playing 32 years and never owned one, I'm 42 now and i'm writing 80's songs these days. I felt the call of my childhood so I think it's time.
Just bought a Harley Benton R-456FR BK for about $175 USD including shipping for my 12 year old grandson. It has a Floyd Rose Special locking Tremolo system. (it's not the $200+ unit obviously, but still an FR) It's replacing the two Squier Bullets that I bought him 3.5 years ago. After beating those two guitars up, doing all types of Hendrix dive bombs, etc. I think he will use the Whammy Bar sparingly, now that he has more command of how to play guitar. However, since I have no desire to pay over $200 for his instruments (Epiphone SG, Firefly Semi-hollow body & Harley Benton above), I would just have him keep the same gauge strings on the HB, and if he needs to drop tune, use one of the other two. He seems to also have a grasp of using his pedals and amp to make tone adjustments as well. Maybe having an extra guitar or two seems a bit excessive, but going back and forth tuning, re-tuning, adjusting the springs & screws to get the FR level, seems like a lot of work.
The Edge Zero tremolo is basically a Floyd Rose design system, and probably must be licensed through Floyd Rose. It has nice refinements apart from the Floyd, but is really the same basic thing.
They are Edge, and Edge Pros. Another brand that makes floating bridges. Only Floyd Rose makes Floyd Rose brand bridges, which are yet another brand of floating bridges.
*Dude, that was some helpful information you shared over there!* Now I know why my floyd-rose LTD produces an strange vibration when strummed strongly. Do you know what to do in order to avoid it?? Thanks!!!! :D
There are "silent" springs you can get on eBay with some sort of rubber to kill the noise. You might have to setup the tension screws again, and flutters might get more difficult, though.
I know I'm a couple months late on this one, but you can also put a little bit of a sponge or something behind the springs to deaden them. Works fine and is much cheaper.
After reading though the comments, I see there are varying opinions about the merits of using a Floyd Rose. The great Texas guitar player, Jimmy Thackery, carved out a space for a Floyd Rose on his vintage stratocaster, and has the locking nut on it too - that's the guitar he's famous for playing, which is named "Murgatroyd". He usually only uses the wang bar lightly, like a typical strat, or in this song, like a Bigsby. Occasionally he'll wang on it harder, but not usually, being primarily a blues musician. I had the pleasure of seeing Jimmy play here in Portland about 15 years ago, and he was playing Murgatroyd at the time. My only complaint, is that he keeps playing forever - long jams that sometimes get boring after awhile. He was playing too loud, but that was usual back then. Thankfully most musicians don't play painfully loud anymore. I would think the locking nut and bridge would made bending easier, besides staying in tune better, but it likely detracts from the tone somewhat. Murgatroyd sounds pretty darn good on the old standard "Apache". Strings likely don't break often, when they aren't rubbing back and forth on the nut and bridge, so that likely isn't a problem. For drop tuning, most musicians I've seen use a Floyd have an extra guitar tuned down, so they won't have to retune their guitar in regular tuning. All the arguments against using a Floyd haven't convinced me that I shouldn't get at least one guitar with a Floyd Rose, for playing around with radical wanging. What can I say, I like to wang! Hendrix was a master of the wang, often combining it with a wha-wha pedal, or slide playing, like on some versions of "Red House". SRV was pretty darn good at it too!! But they didn't use Floyd Rose hardware, just standard stratocasters, but if they are setup correctly, you can wang pretty hard without going out of tune. I always have my bridge flush wth the top, so I can only go down with a wang, having it floating is a pain to keep in tune, and big bends cause other strings to do flat. The types of music played with a Floyd Rose, Joe Satriani, Steve Via, etc,. aren't attractive to me. I saw them both with the G3 tour, including Eric Johnson as the 3rd great guitar slinger. They added an unannounced G4 great guitarist, by the name of Adrian Legg, who was playng an Ovation acoustic, and he STOLE THE SHOW. I had never heard of him before, and he blew my mind - my lower jaw was on the floor! After Adrian played, he was so incredibly good, that Eric Johnson seemed boring, and he played way too loud. Steve Via was next, and he played even louder, and was more boring. Satriani finished the show, as loud and boring as Vai, despite and his amazing technique and sounds he could make with his guitar, it wasn't "music" to my ears. I'll never forget how good Adrian Legs sounded at the Snitzer Concert Hall, a venue designed for music, with excellent acoustics. Adrian Legg was the only one of them who understood you can't play as loud in a concert hall with excellent acoustics! Thoughtless guitar slingers almost made me deaf - i had to leave my seat and listen from the hallway, because it was too painfully loud, and I grew-up in the 1970's going to concerts, ears still ringing. ua-cam.com/video/PA948o42TR8/v-deo.html
I like where you say that none of the cons will convince you not to get at least one fr. I'm only a fledgling player,, been playing less than a year, but I got one and I hate setting it up with every fiber of my being (10 minutes after I finally got it in tune my first time restringing it I broke the g string and had to do it all over again) as much of a bitch it is, it's worth the experimentation
Simple solutions to the floyd rose for those with tuning issues and issues with the string bends throwing off the tuning: Floyd Rose Tremolo Stop Lock - the only downside is that you can't raise the pitch; only dive bombs which is really only why you'd need it.
That's what i did with the fr in my Kramer Assault. When I did mutings or picked real close to the bridge I always pressed it down a little so the tuning got sharp. As I use bends to rise the pitch I am contend with the possibility to do dive bombs.
changing string gauges and releveling the bridge by adjusting the springs in the back is a huge pain in the ass because you would have to retune after every adjustment just to get it leveled.
little known fact the old german made 1980s floyd rose trems were manufactured by kahler floyd created it and held the pattent but contracted kayhler to mass produce
I’ve been looking at buying a PRs with a Floyd Rose which strangely is cheaper than the other guitars by Paul Reed Smith, for example the 24th fret custom SE Paul Reed Smith with a Floyd Rose tremolo is only $1000. I’m trying to figure out what the catch is. I love the Floyd Rose and yes it is a pain in the ass but like anything you adapt and you overcome you conquer and you master it.
I received an Ibanez jiva 10 for Christmas. I normally play a strat, es335, tele. But I fell in love with the guitar and mentioned to my family that it was my dream guitar. I do a lot of bending. What is anyone's opinion on the affect bending has on the other strings? Does the floyd get knocked out of tune because of bending? Is there a way to "turn the floyd off" Should I keep it? I do love the tones and things I get out of it. Thanks anyone.
Alternatives are the Ibanez trems, like the Edge, Edge Pro, and Edge Zero lines. They're basically floyds but with lower profiles, that is they're designed to be more flat against the body. Biggest differences come in their set up. I think the Edge and Edge Pro have to be set up to tilt forward a bit, and the Edge Zero without the ZPS spring system is set up to float exactly like a Floyd. Of course there are mixed reviews but from personal experience and from a lot of research, the original Edge and Edge Zero 2 bridges work the best. And guitars with these bridges go for as cheap as 500 bucks, which I think is a steal for guitars with such high quality parts.
thanks !! 2nd string going flat ?? wow I never had that i go ever and it is very useful !!! Im into Brad Gillis stuff and he has the first Floyd Rose type which did not had bridge fine tuners !! Amazingly he knows how to setup these and still stays in tune plus he pretty much does all the show mostly with one guitar !!! But with your input, yikes I will stay with my standard block and tunings to,go along with drop D's or whatever tuning I want !!! Excellent imp info !
I’m a beginner (slow learner) and just purchased a fender strat with a Floyd Rose because it was chrome and shiny, makes guitar look so cool! So can I just bolt it down and use as regular bridge? I’m pretty handy mechanically. Still would like to use a little whammy, but nothing extreme. Any suggestions?
In my opinion like a beginner should probably not get a Floyd rose because firstly it makes tuning very hard plus it can demotivate you Maintenance is a bitch too
Funny, a couple of my guitar picking friends that bought guitars with one of these, have me to lock them because they can’t figure out how to tune up. I show them how but they do not feel it is worth the effort. Also, if your hand is on the device while playing, you will be out of tune. They are easy to lock and people should give them a try. Good video!
Great question! Theoretically, it should. But I found that it has much less of a negative effect on tone than I would expect. The bridge does eventually anchor into the body, only in the back cavity rather than anchoring into the top. You can definitely hear the springs and additional hardware resonating though. It gives it a unique sort of metallic resonance that you would not otherwise have. Whether you like that or not is personal preference, but it means that you don't necessarily sacrifice sustain, etc. It just trades a slight amount of wood resonance for a slight amount of metal resonance, in my opinion. Hope that helps!
Jake Pool Music There’s a video on UA-cam that’s called how much tone there’s a Floyd Rose steal. The video compares a Les Paul with Floyd and one without one , the les Paul with sounds completely different and a lot worse than the one without the Floyd. the video shocked me. How much of a difference in tone do you think there is between a tremleo bridge like a gotoh 510 or a Wilkinson vs a Floyd ? Do you think the tone difference is noticeable?
I am just a casual player that is looking for a good decent guitar. Then I came across a Ibenez rg 370 and when the guy at the shop tuned it I got so confused because he started unscrewing the top and started tuning and then used the fine tuners. When I played the guitar it felt really good and I thought that this was the one but it made me think twice about the tuning bit. Can someone please explain to me how it works really simply so I can actually understand.
People shouldent be afraid to get a floyd rose. It is like everything else a matter of learning how it work. Nomatter what you enjoy to do so is it always things to learn and it is no different here. When you have putted time into it and learned it so will is it no problem longer. :)
Any advice? Im in a gigging band and need to change from drop D and standard between songs, will this be impossible with a floyd because of string tension?
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I love my Floyd until it's time to adjust intonation.
Look for “The Key” on Stuart Macdonald website. Makes things a million times easier
Fu tone.com there is a tool to make it super easy
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@@freewheeler8924 hahah
The whole flattening of the other strings during bends is kind of a dealbreaker for me. It's a trade between functionality that I do use regularly with functionality that I don't.
Yes and thank goodness someone explained it (without prejudice) before I got one.
If anybody could figure a way to stop this from happening, it will be a bigger revolution than the Floyd itself.
Fu-tone tremblocker will take care of that if set up correctly.
@@funkyfinnegan uh, no? doesnt that just make it so you cant pull up on the whammy. Im not disagreeing I just dont have understanding of a trem blocker if itll actually stop the tension on other strings during bends.
idk with my edge pro(ibanez prestige bridges) never really noticed my bridge moving much at all when I bend. I think edge pros are like the best floating bridges in the world though. Certainly i never notice being out of key or tune when I do reinforced bends it sounds just fine.
I'm gonna put a floyd rose in me acoustic!
Freewheeler ! I just put one in my ukulele
amateurs.. i put one on my drum kit
Lmao got one installed on my vocal cords actually
Put one on my throat to get better tone
put one in my violin
I have hardtail and floyds. Love em both. They both have their place
Are his fans called Jake Poolers?
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Make sure it comes properly set up for your preferred string gauge and desired tuning and when changing strings, either change one at a time or block the bridge beforehand. If you have one more guitar you can easily change tuning if you wish to, Floyd Roses are excellent, but unless you really only play on a single tuning, don't get one to be your one and only guitar.
Also, don't buy it just for the novelty of whammy bar tricks, you'll end up getting bored of it and loose the only reason you've bought it. I got mine mostly for the higher tuning stability, most of the time I don't even have the bar on.
Buying a Floyd and not using the bar is like buying a Porsche without a stick shift. Yeah, you can do it...but every excuse you make up just exposes your lack of skill.
@@philfrank5601 that's nonsense, i like the bar but i have been amazed at how better my schaller stays in tune compared to my fixed bridges, it's amazing to be able to play for ages and not have any slippage. Even high end hardtails go out if you are aggressive, but a well setup floyd can stay in for a whole gig
In your case I think EverTune might work better for you.
I agree that if you only have one workhorse, you're gonna have less trouble with a hardtail, but if you're going to play in a more aggressive way, the Floyd rose is gold.
Personally, I love my Floyd. Yes, it was kind of a hassle to set up at first, but it only gets easier from there, and I virtually never have to tune it.
What's your tuning of choice then? :)
That is if you don't change the tuning you want.
@@seinfan9 Make the bridge drop only, and it's not an issue
@@watersnortmoment3734 What do you mean by that?
@@kelektark7691 Making it so you can only go down in pitch, rather than both directions. There's a lot of things for it like tremblockers. It's mostly because the tension of the back springs is enough to hold the trem flush with the body, leading to changing tunings just feeling like a Fender trem with much better tuning stability. Technically that's how Floyd Roses were meant to be installed as well, it's why old Kramers didn't have a little body cavity cut out on the top. People didn't really use it as a floating bridge back then because it hurts tuning stability.
I have pretty serious PTSD from an attack by a horse named Floyd Rose. Didnt even kick me the horse just repetitively bit me over and over again
Oh my god dude😂
Must have been a bad horsie
DarthHotDog
*Steve Vai casually walks in the room*
Yo wtf😆😅
*screenshots
My very first guitar was a Floyd Rose Ibanez. The only regret that I have about that guitar... I shouldn't have sold her.
Same here!
I hate the Floyd Rose and yet I can't live without it. Kind of like my wife.
That's codependency 😬👌🏻
Ok boomer
Okay fuvkwit
Lol
She love\hates Floyd Rose too?
Very honest and unbiased opinions, great job man!
I've used floyds for many years and it's exaclty like that.
I didn't get a floyd until after playing hardtails for 20 years. Most people will never get through the hype of them being a pain. When you learn how to do things properly it takes zero effort. My first floyd set up took about 4 hours because I didn't look for help. Now I have it down to about 15 min. Using a block or stack of business cards to hold the bridge level allows you to tune or down tune in seconds, without having to mess with the claw.
The only real downsides are breaking a string on stage and bending doublestops. Plus, you can always hardtail it and be in tune forever.
I've been using them for thirty years! By doing nothing other than properly removing the springs I can remove the bridge, set it next to the guitar, work on the guitar and then replace the bridge and the springs and the guitar is still perfectly in tune!
Hello from the other side of the world probably (Osaka Japan o/) but I was curious and searching this topic as to why so many of you dislike FR! But yes it isn't a hassle to use and is extremely versatile more than what you would think. Playing on stage I replaced most of my instruments with FR style bridges because I just love the feel and stability. Really just tricks not always fitting the style, so dont think that. My advice is to get one early so you will become familiar using it and then all of the hassle is removed through repeat and experience. Next you will simply have an extra tool, which providing you buy a decent guitar with an FR original component is nice and will serve your learning very much.
@@ErraticFaith Well most people just hear how complicated it is and can't be bothered to see actually how simple it is. I'll admit I was one for years. I watched a video on the FU Tone channel and it changed my life on floyds. People have this opinion of when you tune one string it throws all the other strings out. And it does, if you do it wrong. If you just block the floyd and then tune, remove the block. It will be slightly out of tune. People try to use the fine tuners and it throws the guitar out of whack. But if you take the block out and then tune the A string by adjusting the claw in back of the guitar and not the fine tuners, it pulls the guitar into tune evenly. If tuning a hard tail is a 1/10 for difficulty, tuning a floyd is a 2/10 if you know how to do it properly. But after 30 years of people saying it's complicated, it's hard to convince people otherwise.
@@strayzilla Yes, I understand you (: Its a shame an similar in much of music. People read online that its so difficult and think it make sense because they have no knowledge thats different. Its frustrating very much when beginners tell you what they have read, doubting your actual experience and it happens with many things. My keyboard player says the same. She came to a class and young students saying something is useless because it lacks one modern feature. Then when she will play on an much older board they are surprised because it sound so great even with older technologies!
Never any replacement for learn, practise and experience. If you read its just an opinion but maybe for you, you will personally like it! So you must always not take other peoples words but make some for yourself. I hope its clear what I mean (:
My ESP guitars with OFR are so special for me because the stability and play is so great. I have some hardtail and other but always I reach for it and its strange to not have it now so you get used to it and extra work become worth it. Thanks!
@@ErraticFaith I just had my first guitar a month ago and it was equipped with a Floyd Rose bridge but before that, I consumed all the information I could find about dealing with a Floyd Rose bridge. By the time my guitar came, I was able to set it up and tune it in less than 30 minutes and it does hold tune pretty well.
Nice, very helpful! Exactly what I needed.
I'll get a floyd guitar but only because I already have one with a hard tail which is great for messing with the tuning. I'll set up the floyd guitar in drop D and use the digitech drop to tune lower if need be. The less you mess with it the better.
I have both a floyd and a fixed bridge, bt after doing research I believe that the Kahler bridge is the best. Why? because it's both a fixed and tremolo system. The bridge locks into place and you can play it like any other but then simply unlock and use it just like a floyd. Only problem is the price because its about $300 for just the bridge and parts. If I had the money it would definitely be a good investment.
if you know how to pick string gauges, drop tuning is just as stable as standard.
If you need drop and standard you can either have 2 guitars or you can set it up properly and use the fine tuner on the bridge to drop tune and level out the others in a few seconds.
spring noise is super simple to get past, all you need is a bit of foam to pad it, ive even use the big rubber bands that come on like broccoli to wrap around the strings just enough to get rid of spring noise, but not really change the feel of using the tremolo arm like padding with foam can do, but i use 4 springs so thats not usually an issue for me.
great video, none of the points made were wrong. But there are ways of getting rid of those cons, and they are all small, and cost free
or just use a pitch shifter pedal and avoid the hassle!
Hello friend, i purchased a Schecter hellraiser c1 fr sustainiac.
I want to drop D, i have gauge 42.
If i change the string to 46 will stabilize the tension? Or should i go higher?, 48? 52?
Mine has a Floyd Rose 1000 series
The Schecter hybrid c1 fr s has a Floyd rose 1500, wich one is better? What is the difference?
And what hybrid means in those two guitars?
Thank you!
Ángel Castellanos Martínez FR 1500 has a push in whammy bar so you don’t have to screw it in , it also has stainless steel components. If you want to drop tune unlock the nut and decrease the tension of the springs in the back of the guitar then tune up to your desired tuning keep messing around with the springs and you will eventually get it right.
@@swarmer5 ...thanks for your info
Eliminate the hassle of drop d by installing a bridge lock and a drop tuning mechanism by tone vise. Also put damping material in the spring cavity to eliminate spring sound. No problems from mine at all. Only draw back is you can’t pull up on whammy bar.
Thank you sooo much for this video! The floyd rose does appear intimidating at first glance. I was just about to purchase one from guitar center without knowing much about them SMDH!
The floyd rose is also probably the most comfortable bridge out there. Any guitar I get for metal is gonna have a floyd (preferably the original). Best bridge out there IMO.
If you're like me and you just have a couple guitars that you like to noodle around with and learn on, I can say from experience having an FR is both fun if you're into the whammy-bar gimmicks and nice when you just need that standard or that drop guitar always on hand and nearly always in tune, to just pick up and have fun with. Oh, and learning how it all worked and the tuning process just spoke to the engineer/technician in me, you never have the thing fall out of tune but then the process is fun anyway, I iterate through all those strings having to make smaller and smaller adjustments until it's zeroed and balanced across the bar and it's just fine...it's satisfying.
This is a great video. I think I've learned that the cons outweigh the pros for me.
I may get a guitar setup with one for fun, or try it at a guitar center one day, but my itch to perform those dragonforce tricks has disappeared when I think about all the stuff you've gotta do.
If you make the bridge dive only like it was built to do, those issues are practically nonexistent.
@@watersnortmoment3734 If you're going to make it dive-only, there's no point to getting a Floyd Rose bridge.
And that’s why I achieved a high salary career so I can pay a pro to deal with my Floyd Rose.
So because u achieved a high salary career, that makes you lazy and too dumb to try and learn how to tune a Floyd Rose guitar?
@Campbell Spence ok calm down lol
@@benhernandez9973 oooo burn XD
Weirdest flex ever
HAHHAHAHA
For Drop D, exist d-tuna EVH for floyd rose :D
Johann Muñoz yes, by Tone Vise. I got mine installed, love it
This was really thankful! Subscribed
Thank you!
I don't know why people hate floyd rose bridges so much,
I got myself one after doing some research on the internet and I don't/didn't have any problems.
I bought mine for 200€ (247$) which is a Cort X6 and I love it.
Matteo マテお Kyselý same, I spent a month watching videos, than goed to a must store and tried it out, I even got to watch a guitar technician do it by a new I'm stock guitar
Just inform yourself and apply that step by step, also re-check especially in the beginning
Kyselý キセリーMatteo マッテオ wait till you bust a few strings mid gig then come back to me . They are not worth the trouble. Learn to bend properly and you don’t need one
Floyd Rose + ESP arming adjuster = WIN. Floyd rose capability , rock solid tuning , attack , sustain of a fixed bridge. Faster to tune too. Steve vai uses almost same kind of the system, called ibanez trem stopper, shown on his live rig rundown videos :)
Great explanation! I just recently hardtailed mine
so legts say i want to play A LOT of van halen, a floyd would obviously be a good choice for me right?
Yes. Also be conscientious of the body wood you're using.
Jake Pool Music OK thank you :D
@@jakepoolmusic7061 I have a question,what does the body wood affect other than weight?
Je Ry hes not gonna answer the whole tone wood debate 🤣
Essentially some people think that different woods create different tones
Let’s say mahogany has a thick and warm sound (I have no idea about this) and ash has a twangy and snappy sound (same I have no idea).
If you wanted to play country you would go for the ash, but if you wanted to play classic rock, you would choose mahogany. So yea that’s the basics
@@seamusforpresident3670 I have been educated since then,but what I believe is that depending on the density of the wood it affects how much vibration it takes in, let's say a high density wood will not absorb that many vibrations so there will be more sustain and a brighter snappier tone of some sort,even if you can eq the bass in order to get that tone,or a low density wood will absorb way more vibration and decrease the sustain and make the tone warmer I'd say,at least this is what I believe,maybe I'm stupid and don't understand physics,if that's the case feel free to bitch slap me with knowledge.
I have a floyd rose and i don't even know why the hell i'm watching this video
I'm watching it because I'm thinking about getting a Fraser custom with a Floyd rose on it and wanna know more details.
Great content man, subbed!
Thank you!
I always brought them to a shop until this week, when I decided to do it myself, to change my gauge and tuning. Well it turned out perfectly. The only thing I regret is thinking it was too hard to do myself for so long. It isn’t.
My next guitar will be a fixed bridge, because I would like to also have a fixed bridge where I can quickly change whatever I want. But if I didn’t have a Floyd I would want one.
I am thinking of getting a guitar with a floyd rose bridge. What would be your suggestion? My first guitar is a fixed bridge basic bolt-on Ibanez guitar which I have always been happy with, actually. I am also looking for a set-thru or neck-thru model. Should I get a set/neck-thru guitar with a Floyd Rose or a fixed bridge?
There are tremolo systems like the one EVH had, which has a small controller to drop the E to a low D and it stays in tune. I believe the Wolfgang guitar has that system. IMO, if you want to use a diff tuning, it is best to have more than one guitar. This way, you can leave the first guitar all set and not have to mess with it.
It's called a D-tuna, but IMO it's a temporary compromise because you're still tuning down a lighter gauge string - intonation and tension will be off.
And yes, if you play in multiple tunings, it's just easier to have multiple guitars, each dedicated to that tuning, although that's an expensive option that only professionals can justify.
Excellent. Thank you very much.
Great review and a fun Whammy bar system. One thing I don’t like about the Floyd Rose system, is if you accidentally pop a string all the other strings go out of tune .
I've been in the process of making my ibanez into one with the floyd rose tremlo bridge and I've been putting it off since I have to carve out the cavity for the bridge myself..I could have easily been talked out of it but your light words of heavy influence really solidified my decision of continuing with the plan for the floyd rose :) thanks dude.
wish i knew all these a few years back when i got my first guitar. Floyd rose gave me a great deal of headaches...
Solid short vid. No fluff. Thanks. Also I love your LTD. If I was buying one that is exactly what I’d get. That all around inlay!!!! I’m a sucker for it.
Hey, great video! So if I'm switching tunings a lot, for example between standard and drop C, I would have to adjust the tension of the springs every time, right? That seems like a huge turn off...
Correct.
Yes, correct
That being said, I’d really just recommend to go ahead & learn to love your instruments enough to enjoy putting on some music & going through maintenance. Any musical instrument you buy will demand maintenance, floating bridge guitars are just the worst of it
tuning stability with bends is HUGE I bought a jackson Js32 second hand and it's a monster in tuning stability. regular floyds have the knife edge poles just nailed in the body. Jackson has them screwed in a metal plate that is bolted flush to the body. I am telling you. I don't have to tune it unless I change the strings. All cons in this video are still standing. but unless you want a fixed bridge, floyd is the way to go
Thank u for that very detailed input.
You make a great point on only Floyds being worth using. The fact that I only used the bridge and neck pickup on my Strat and that I was completely indifferent to the tremolo was a sign I should have opted for a Tele way back.
Dime is one of my favorites but I’m far too lazy for a Floyd. I dig them just as long as someone else is using them 😅🤘
Gotoh 510 when setup properly will do even the floppiest of string divebombs without the need for a locking nut. When I saw it do that, I knew it was the real deal.
Thanks. This really helped. I already have a fixed bridge, now I'm gonna get me Floyd Rose 🤘🤘🌹
Perfectly explained
Really great info, thank you so much!
Nice and informative video
Since we are talking about Floyd Rose bridges, which one is best? Original Floyd, Floyd Rose Special, or the licensed floyd rose that comes on the guitar? I think the original is the best
Thank you very much Sir! Really needed this
Fortunately there are aftermarket products that help a long way with keeping your Floyd Rose functional, and help with keeping your guitar in tune!
Holy shit. This is the first time I've ever heard of a Floyd Rose. Thank you for this very informative video in terms of pros and cons. Being able to do a huge dive bomb sounds like a lot of fun. At the same time, sometimes less is more. You can do more with a subtle touch to the whammy bar then to go overboard. I find this quite interesting cuz I've never heard of this thing until now. I'm about to purchase a Gibson SG with a side vibrola. I understand it's relatively fragile. Although I was told by my guitar mechanic that if the guitar is set up properly before you take it home you should be able to use the vibrola and not have your guitar go completely out of tune. I guess with the money I'm spending on guitars, I'd rather treat it with kid gloves when it comes to the wiggle stick then take a chance of damaging a guitar that's four or five grand.
Haha. Lol. Even Steve Vai's signature PIA is around 3.5k USD, and so is John Petrucci's Majesty. I find if extremely hard to beleive that you really bought a 5 grand guitar.
@@ashuzguitar
Believe it. I paid $5K for a Custom Shopop Gibson SG with the side Vibrola. it's a 60th Anniversary and the whole thing is Relicted by the Custom shop. The hardware is all that antiqued nickel finish. I got it cuz I thought it looks cool. Most people are not going to buy a sideways vibrola because of the tuning concerns.
@@lamontprospect9974 okay. If you say so, I'll give you the benefit of doubt till I research the price of custom shop Gibson that you've mentioned.
@@ashuzguitar
I made them give me a print out of the price tag. 60th Anniversary Custom Shop Relic SG with a side vibrola. It was on display and I almost never buy display guitars. But they told me it would be a year before they got another one in. They made so many versions of that SG but this one is a Custom Shop.Can you attach photos to these messages?
@@lamontprospect9974 not a part of this conversation but you can use Imgur and post a comment with that link
My 1984 Floyd rose original is awesom
Floyds are easy to set up and they stay in tune for a long time. Just balance spring tension and string tension.
Thanks for the Vid and Info, Bro... Peace
This is why I love CSIL's new block with a thumbscrew on it that adjusts spring tension on the fly
No need to take out screwdriver or anything like that
And OFC get noise proof springs
I think the problem with Floyd's is Floyd Rose themselves and how _they_ did it wrong for so many years but got the patent on it anyway and basically made it so no one else could offer anything better -- until now :)
BUT...double edged sword, people are resistant to change, they'd rather use something that's been around forever!
THANK YOUUUUU I NEEDED THIS!
I love my floyd because of the possibilities (pulls, dives etc), but i've unscrewed all the nut locks because i often change tunings (mainly because i play a lot of rocksmith). Anyone think that playing without the nutlocks can have a negative effect?
No problem that I know of, but do yourself a favour and get a tremolno / stopper to avoid hassles when tuning differently.
Alright i'll check that out! Thanks a lot for the tip :)
I've played a Floyd rose for 15 years. If you leave the nut unlocked it will constantly go out of tune. I lock mine with drop D tuning and the fine tuners most of the way unscrewed. This way I can screw down the 6 string form D to E standard without touching the locking nut and the strings stay in tune a lot better. Trust me. I've messed around with every set up imaginable over the years. This is the way to go.
Paul Nealis That's really smart! Thanks a lot for the tip!!
so im going to get a floyd rose guitar for my birthday and i change my tunings a lot so can i really play without the locking nut. will it affect my guitar in negative ways?
Extremely informative video. Excellent job. After watching this, it's really not something I want to mess with. I mean, is it really worth going through all that hassle just to do a stupid dive bomb when you can do something just as creative using other more subtle tricks and techniques. Very good job of explaining all this, very thorough.
Jake, this is a very comprehensive video. I have two questions which may be of benefit to anyone selecting bridge types on a new guitar, and I hope you will field them. 1) if the bridge is pulled forward during a string bend on a floating bridge, does it make vigorous string bending in general more difficult because all strings and hardware are connected? 2) if other strings go flat when a string is bent on a floating bridge, then unison bending (involving two strings) a la Gary Moore will sound way off?
Well, I bought a use Suhr with the Floyd Rose, and wow, it seems like a real pain. But, your video was great and I will work with the guitar. Thank you.
Great video!
Just Get it thats all I wanted to hear lol, been playing 32 years and never owned one, I'm 42 now and i'm writing 80's songs these days. I felt the call of my childhood so I think it's time.
Just bought a Harley Benton R-456FR BK for about $175 USD including shipping for my 12 year old grandson. It has a Floyd Rose Special locking Tremolo system. (it's not the $200+ unit obviously, but still an FR) It's replacing the two Squier Bullets that I bought him 3.5 years ago. After beating those two guitars up, doing all types of Hendrix dive bombs, etc. I think he will use the Whammy Bar sparingly, now that he has more command of how to play guitar. However, since I have no desire to pay over $200 for his instruments (Epiphone SG, Firefly Semi-hollow body & Harley Benton above), I would just have him keep the same gauge strings on the HB, and if he needs to drop tune, use one of the other two. He seems to also have a grasp of using his pedals and amp to make tone adjustments as well. Maybe having an extra guitar or two seems a bit excessive, but going back and forth tuning, re-tuning, adjusting the springs & screws to get the FR level, seems like a lot of work.
Amazing vid. Thanks!
Good video. Very informative.
My Floyd Rose I have tune to drop C and I'm honestly fine with it
I love my Jackson Kelly JS32!
So I am thinking about getting an ibanez rg with an edge zero tremolo idk what is the difference between a Floyd rose tremolo and an edge zero tremolo
can u please help me sir
The Edge Zero tremolo is basically a Floyd Rose design system, and probably must be licensed through Floyd Rose. It has nice refinements apart from the Floyd, but is really the same basic thing.
Edge Trems have softer metal than legit Floyds, hence they wear out quickly
If you go Ibanez stick with original Edge, the later ones were worse and they still put the Edge on their upper range today.
I think that the best floyd rose style bridges are the ibanez ones, those have tremsetter and a lot of features usefull for floyd users
They are Edge, and Edge Pros. Another brand that makes floating bridges. Only Floyd Rose makes Floyd Rose brand bridges, which are yet another brand of floating bridges.
Although I hate the floating feature, I love the sound. So I use a Temel-no. Pretty much eliminates a lot of disadvantages.
I have mine set for drop C it seems to work fine
*Dude, that was some helpful information you shared over there!*
Now I know why my floyd-rose LTD produces an strange vibration when strummed strongly. Do you know what to do in order to avoid it??
Thanks!!!! :D
There are "silent" springs you can get on eBay with some sort of rubber to kill the noise. You might have to setup the tension screws again, and flutters might get more difficult, though.
Oh, thanks. I might try them out :D
I know I'm a couple months late on this one, but you can also put a little bit of a sponge or something behind the springs to deaden them. Works fine and is much cheaper.
Sounds clever, I'll try it!!
After reading though the comments, I see there are varying opinions about the merits of using a Floyd Rose. The great Texas guitar player, Jimmy Thackery, carved out a space for a Floyd Rose on his vintage stratocaster, and has the locking nut on it too - that's the guitar he's famous for playing, which is named "Murgatroyd". He usually only uses the wang bar lightly, like a typical strat, or in this song, like a Bigsby. Occasionally he'll wang on it harder, but not usually, being primarily a blues musician. I had the pleasure of seeing Jimmy play here in Portland about 15 years ago, and he was playing Murgatroyd at the time. My only complaint, is that he keeps playing forever - long jams that sometimes get boring after awhile. He was playing too loud, but that was usual back then. Thankfully most musicians don't play painfully loud anymore. I would think the locking nut and bridge would made bending easier, besides staying in tune better, but it likely detracts from the tone somewhat. Murgatroyd sounds pretty darn good on the old standard "Apache". Strings likely don't break often, when they aren't rubbing back and forth on the nut and bridge, so that likely isn't a problem. For drop tuning, most musicians I've seen use a Floyd have an extra guitar tuned down, so they won't have to retune their guitar in regular tuning.
All the arguments against using a Floyd haven't convinced me that I shouldn't get at least one guitar with a Floyd Rose, for playing around with radical wanging. What can I say, I like to wang! Hendrix was a master of the wang, often combining it with a wha-wha pedal, or slide playing, like on some versions of "Red House". SRV was pretty darn good at it too!! But they didn't use Floyd Rose hardware, just standard stratocasters, but if they are setup correctly, you can wang pretty hard without going out of tune. I always have my bridge flush wth the top, so I can only go down with a wang, having it floating is a pain to keep in tune, and big bends cause other strings to do flat. The types of music played with a Floyd Rose, Joe Satriani, Steve Via, etc,. aren't attractive to me. I saw them both with the G3 tour, including Eric Johnson as the 3rd great guitar slinger. They added an unannounced G4 great guitarist, by the name of Adrian Legg, who was playng an Ovation acoustic, and he STOLE THE SHOW. I had never heard of him before, and he blew my mind - my lower jaw was on the floor! After Adrian played, he was so incredibly good, that Eric Johnson seemed boring, and he played way too loud. Steve Via was next, and he played even louder, and was more boring. Satriani finished the show, as loud and boring as Vai, despite and his amazing technique and sounds he could make with his guitar, it wasn't "music" to my ears. I'll never forget how good Adrian Legs sounded at the Snitzer Concert Hall, a venue designed for music, with excellent acoustics. Adrian Legg was the only one of them who understood you can't play as loud in a concert hall with excellent acoustics! Thoughtless guitar slingers almost made me deaf - i had to leave my seat and listen from the hallway, because it was too painfully loud, and I grew-up in the 1970's going to concerts, ears still ringing.
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I like where you say that none of the cons will convince you not to get at least one fr. I'm only a fledgling player,, been playing less than a year, but I got one and I hate setting it up with every fiber of my being (10 minutes after I finally got it in tune my first time restringing it I broke the g string and had to do it all over again) as much of a bitch it is, it's worth the experimentation
thanks man. that really helped me out
What about Ibanez Zero Resistance tremolo? It does ALL that Floyd Rose do, but much better!
speed 1.5 you're welcome
Thanks. My poop came out faster
how about some patience for good informations...?
@@WhiteCranK god forbid we make our lives easier, that is after all why we're here.
1.25 is better
0.25 is better
Simple solutions to the floyd rose for those with tuning issues and issues with the string bends throwing off the tuning:
Floyd Rose Tremolo Stop Lock - the only downside is that you can't raise the pitch; only dive bombs which is really only why you'd need it.
That's what i did with the fr in my Kramer Assault. When I did mutings or picked real close to the bridge I always pressed it down a little so the tuning got sharp. As I use bends to rise the pitch I am contend with the possibility to do dive bombs.
Thanks a lot. It's really helpful
I have the same guitar, it rocks
Hey man I love your guitar what guitar is that
changing string gauges and releveling the bridge by adjusting the springs in the back is a huge pain in the ass because you would have to retune after every adjustment just to get it leveled.
What about using a pedal for hard dives? Vibrato can be done with the hand no?
Floating Trem? Got a Floyd, Got a Kahler - prefer the Kahler, even though it's not quite as aggressive …
I have a floating trem strat but I need a floyd so I can wammy dive and stuff like that
Get the Kahler, it's very beginner friendly
little known fact the old german made 1980s floyd rose trems were manufactured by kahler floyd created it and held the pattent but contracted kayhler to mass produce
Very informative.
Thank you oh so much!
I’ve been looking at buying a PRs with a Floyd Rose which strangely is cheaper than the other guitars by Paul Reed Smith, for example the 24th fret custom SE Paul Reed Smith with a Floyd Rose tremolo is only $1000. I’m trying to figure out what the catch is. I love the Floyd Rose and yes it is a pain in the ass but like anything you adapt and you overcome you conquer and you master it.
You mean prs?
@@aarxv_s1042 yes
I received an Ibanez jiva 10 for Christmas. I normally play a strat, es335, tele. But I fell in love with the guitar and mentioned to my family that it was my dream guitar. I do a lot of bending. What is anyone's opinion on the affect bending has on the other strings? Does the floyd get knocked out of tune because of bending? Is there a way to "turn the floyd off"
Should I keep it? I do love the tones and things I get out of it. Thanks anyone.
GREAT VIDEO! Playing with my buddy and he wanted me to learn a song. Drop D tuning.....I felt pretty stupid trying to tune down. Thanks bro
Thank for the video! It is very helpful! /Subscribed
Alternatives are the Ibanez trems, like the Edge, Edge Pro, and Edge Zero lines. They're basically floyds but with lower profiles, that is they're designed to be more flat against the body. Biggest differences come in their set up. I think the Edge and Edge Pro have to be set up to tilt forward a bit, and the Edge Zero without the ZPS spring system is set up to float exactly like a Floyd. Of course there are mixed reviews but from personal experience and from a lot of research, the original Edge and Edge Zero 2 bridges work the best. And guitars with these bridges go for as cheap as 500 bucks, which I think is a steal for guitars with such high quality parts.
thanks !! 2nd string going flat ?? wow I never had that i go ever and it is very useful !!!
Im into Brad Gillis stuff and he has the first Floyd Rose type which did not
had bridge fine tuners !! Amazingly he knows how to setup these and still
stays in tune plus he pretty much does all the show mostly with one guitar !!!
But with your input, yikes I will stay with my standard block and tunings to,go along with drop D's or whatever tuning I want !!!
Excellent imp info !
I’m a beginner (slow learner) and just purchased a fender strat with a Floyd Rose because it was chrome and shiny, makes guitar look so cool! So can I just bolt it down and use as regular bridge? I’m pretty handy mechanically. Still would like to use a little whammy, but nothing extreme. Any suggestions?
In my opinion like a beginner should probably not get a Floyd rose because firstly it makes tuning very hard plus it can demotivate you
Maintenance is a bitch too
Funny, a couple of my guitar picking friends that bought guitars with one of these, have me to lock them because they can’t figure out how to tune up. I show them how but they do not feel it is worth the effort. Also, if your hand is on the device while playing, you will be out of tune. They are easy to lock and people should give them a try. Good video!
there's some noiseless spring you can install on your guitar, it's a little upgrade to fix that problem
Is it true floyd takes away from the tone or makes it sound worse?
Great question! Theoretically, it should. But I found that it has much less of a negative effect on tone than I would expect. The bridge does eventually anchor into the body, only in the back cavity rather than anchoring into the top.
You can definitely hear the springs and additional hardware resonating though. It gives it a unique sort of metallic resonance that you would not otherwise have. Whether you like that or not is personal preference, but it means that you don't necessarily sacrifice sustain, etc. It just trades a slight amount of wood resonance for a slight amount of metal resonance, in my opinion.
Hope that helps!
Jake Pool Music There’s a video on UA-cam that’s called how much tone there’s a Floyd Rose steal. The video compares a Les Paul with Floyd and one without one , the les Paul with sounds completely different and a lot worse than the one without the Floyd. the video shocked me. How much of a difference in tone do you think there is between a tremleo bridge like a gotoh 510 or a Wilkinson vs a Floyd ? Do you think the tone difference is noticeable?
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I am just a casual player that is looking for a good decent guitar. Then I came across a Ibenez rg 370 and when the guy at the shop tuned it I got so confused because he started unscrewing the top and started tuning and then used the fine tuners. When I played the guitar it felt really good and I thought that this was the one but it made me think twice about the tuning bit.
Can someone please explain to me how it works really simply so I can actually understand.
People shouldent be afraid to get a floyd rose. It is like everything else a matter of learning how it work. Nomatter what you enjoy to do so is it always things to learn and it is no different here. When you have putted time into it and learned it so will is it no problem longer. :)
I've managed to keep mine in tune but im still afraid to change the tuning lol.
Any advice? Im in a gigging band and need to change from drop D and standard between songs, will this be impossible with a floyd because of string tension?
yes
It’s deff possible i did it on my guitar. Look up the brand Tone Vise.
two guitars