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I've owned over 20 Floyd Rose equipped guitars since 1983. Most floating. Don't take all the strings off at once when it's floating. Do one at a time . The trem should be level. When you change the string just by looking at the level your almost in tune. Repeat for each string. Make sure to stretch the string. I can change and tune in @ 10 minutes.
+1. I find that the best thing to do is change 1 string at a time and bend the crap out of it for a while. Whammy, bend whatever. Use it as practice time!! Then re-tune that string and everything g should be good. Do 5 more times and you have a well bedded inset of new strings.
I used to put some pad underneath the floating bridge while restringing the guitar for years, then one afternoon a street performer at Harvard square gave me the idea of string one by one while discussing about this headache and that was absolute relief...
At that point it’s a better idea to learn it yourself & just wing it until you know what’s best for you while listening to people that know what they’re talking about
My first time... At 12 I had my first lesson and got my first guitar on my BD. It was an Ibanez RG with a Floyd. First time tuning it I ended up with the bridge pointing up at 45° and gave up, my dad tried but he played acoustics so no luck. The tech showed us how to do it the next day... not my proudest moment. I'd advise against a Floyd Rose guitar as the first. My second guitar an SG felt like cheating. What you put on the strings tune them and done? This can't be right...
I have to go on record here. My Jackson JS32 Kelly is a beast and does an amazing job staying in tune. $300 straight up. Jackson's budget line really is just stellar.
@@mrdevil848 lots of people say theyre unstable but not really theyre fine i just dont like it coz i like the ergonomics of the ibanez edge on my 550 which outclasses all floyds in smoothness too
Don't change the strings out all at a time. Change them one at a time, removing the string, changing it, and tuning it back up, before moving on to the next. That way you preserve your tension. And tune the strings up one after another bit by bit sequentially. You can't tune one string then move to the next, they'll go all out again.
I got a Jackson JS32 Dinky DKA-M for €300 ($315) It's less then 400 but the msrp on Jackson's site is $399. I managed to restring it today without any errors and it stays in tune fairly well.
Owning, setting up, and maintaining a Floyd Rose, requires a 'learning curve'. Lower-end guitars are equipped with a lower-end Floyd: the metals used in the various components, therein, are 'Zinc'-based alloys. Higher end guitars use a Floyd that is made of hardened-steel alloys. The zinc-based models', components, wear out relatively quickly.
Doug Marks of Metal Method explains on one of his videos the easiest way to tune a Floyd is to start on the low E string and if it’s 3 cents flat tune it 3 cents sharp and go through all the strings like that. Usually after you do that a couple of times by the 3rd time you’ll only need to do that on the low E, A and D strings and tune the others to pitch and it’s done. I learned that lesson years ago while watching Doug’s video and it works every time 🎸
actually it is bcs for example i almost broke my neck while making my truss rod setting or i dont know my action point is too high i still dont know how can i fix it (wasnt mess up with truss rod just because action point i had buzzying problem)
CornKing Convenience and laziness. I know I would do it but frankly I don't want to keep throwing away money and I want to learn how to set it up myself. Even if it takes me hours to learn.
@@FingerBob Because some people value their time differently to you. Why do some people pay to have their car serviced? Why do some people pay to have others cook food for them?
I bought a Jackson JS32 new from Guitar Center(yes, I have a bit of buyer’s remorse) with a “Floyd Rose”; I’ve had it for about a year now and I’ve already changed the strings I don’t know how many times I get why people are afraid to work on their own stuff, I was recently gifted a ‘68 reissue Stratocaster that I’m having an actual, well-known guitar tech at a local shop set it up. He’s set up guitars for Eric Clapton, Jerry Garcia, etc and he charges $150. That’s his rate. But a $400 guitar? I’ve spent so much time changing the tuning, changing the strings because I break them, I haven’t shaved the frets or anything but it ain’t hard to set the action, adjust the truss rod, I’m definitely still learning how to play it, but it’s a fun guitar. And it’s fun to tinker with too
@@araryaerwinanto6052 it’s an awesome guitar for the price. The frets actually feel great for it being a Chinese guitar. The pickups for them being humbuckers still produce a little bit of notice while the guitar is standing still but throw a suppressor or noise gate in front of your amp and adjust the pickup height, that’ll help. If you can find one on the used market I would do that instead of buying brand new. Buying a guitar brand new nowadays is the biggest scam you can avoid. But the JS32 is an awesome guitar. For help or more info on Floyd Rose’s/floating bridges, look up Rob Arnold here on UA-cam. He was the guitar player for this band Chimaira and has tons of videos on setting one up and how to tune it, etc. Like I said, it’s fun to tinker with too
@@justgivenofox9543 wowss hey man, thank you so much for the response, didn't know china made jacksons. I think I might just buy a new one instead of a used one, cant trust people who sell used guitars since a friend of mine bought a used guitar and ended up being a way whole different guitar and it was even defective. But yeah I feel good about this guitar I might use it for gigs. Thank you once again 🎸🤘🏻
I spent 20 years avoiding Floyd Rose and now I absolutely love them. I can play rock or metal with them or blues and country and make them sound like a Bigsby. Once you learn the tricks they are hard to beat.
For the under 400 dollar floyd rose guitars...simply move the springs in the back to the side of the bridge that needs higher resistance (the side with more tension), mine was 325 dollars and when i tried this method, i only needed to tune once every week. Definitely try this method.
Funny hearing your say "If there's one that sells for 400$ new, and a guy is selling it for 200$ go for it" Because I just got a Ibanez rg470 Autumn Fade (400 new) from a guy on craigslist for 200. And I had no idea what a floyd rose even was all I knew is that polyphia uses it so I needed one. I tried tuning not knowing about the pieces on the nut and completely killed the string. So first string change I took all of the strings out by loosening the screws on the rose, Lost a piece on the nut that keeps the knobs from tuning it, Stripped the hole where the screws hold the strings (The previous owner had a wood block so I took out the peice by unscrewing it so I could take it out) So now it can only come halfway out tops, then after a 3 hour procedure I got the floyd flat, the strings tuned, so I strum my first chord on the guitar aaand its out of tune. So I spend the next 30 mins retuning readjusting the floyd over and over then It was late and I wasn't allowed to play it. But now that I actually watched how NOT to destroy my guitar and it sounds good, feels good and stays in tune
I own a BC Rich ASM Standard ($250) with a Floyd Rose Special, stays in tune perfectly. Only issue was that I needed to replace my stock tuners, and now it's faster to change strings since I install Hipshot locking tuners (reduce time since minimal winding is needed). I also own a BC Rich ASM Pro ($800) with a Floyd Rose Original equipped, and I have no issues with that guitar. I had a coworker in the USAF who helped me learn how to maintain and tune a Floyd Rose; it isn't hard, it just takes time and patience. Change out your strings one at a time, and if you have to do all at once, lock your bridge in place from the back end or at the tremolo block before doing a full swap to alleviate tension on the strings during setup.
I get your point with the whole "not using the whammy bar as much as I thought" thing. I have floating trems because of the tuning stability. I have an Ibanez RG550 with an Edge Tremolo. That thing stays in tune so well that I haven't tuned it in over 2 months.
Just leveled and retuned my first fr guitar. Squier stagemaster. It was actually pretty easy. Backed off the claw into a block and tuned it then tightened the claw until the block fell out and fine tuned the test of the way. I imagine a restring would be the same procedure. Stays in tune really well.
I always put something (like a stack of picks) inside the floyd to lock it, then restring it, tune it like normal guitar, then unlock it, then fine tune it. Saves a lot of time. I'll probably get some decent floyd rose lock thingie eventually just for this purpose.
My number-one HATE about owning a Floyd Rose... adjusting intonation. Oy! Currently, my PRS with a Floyd Rose is "close enough". Not perfect... but close enough that I'm not willing to mess with it. As far as bending notes, you're absolutely right... until you want to do unison bends. Floyds aren't awesome for unison bends because bending one string pulls the other strings slightly out of tune, so finding unity isn't as clean, or in tune... you can make it work, though. ;) Cool vid, man!
BACzero yeah when I first got one I couldn't believe how difficult intonation is compared to a strat tremolo.. also being unable to adjust individual string height..
I am a noob to Floyds and setting up my intonation (which was horrible) was not hard at all. And as far as unison bends... Know what you do? Bend the out of tune string slightly to pitch. Very easy to compensate for.
I actually love the string spacing and sound of these bridges. I block mine permanently, and you can change strings just as fast as a string thru bridge
Wasn't down for a Floyd Rose bridge but I recently came upon a Schecter Hellraiser with a price too good to not pick up. Probably the best playing guitar I've ever held tbh
I heard GC and was done there. “Normal” in my collection is with a FR...actually I don’t own a single stoptail bridge. Playing guitar is an endless learning experience. Remember how much of a headache it was to learn your first song, chord, scale? And now that’s all behind you... With patience and practice a FR becomes the “norm.”
Remembering my downstairs neighbor in college now....banging on the ceiling with a broom to get me to stop. Had stack marshall amp a friend loaned me, my god i must of drove her insane 😂
my first electric guitar was a Floyd rose, used for $200 but i took it home for $175 and the high E was snapped, so I replaced all the strings, played around with it for a while until I found out the proper way to mess with the tunings lol. It was damn great, I looked up online and it sells for $300, but it is just great, i haven't played with any other Floyd Rose guitars, so I really don't know the true holy grail of the double locking tremolos. The guitar is a B.C. Rich Beast Platinum Pro Series, the main guitar I use, not completely set up xD I play at drop C and have space on the fine tuners to tune the C up to a D for D standard (it is also blocked off with a stack of pennies) which is friggn awesome, but there's this other tremolo company out there called "Coherent Sound In Light" which has the same functions of a Floyd, but without a lot of the cons such as not having to cut off the ball end, you don't have to mess with the screws that are with the springs to readjust the tuning, instead, you dial it in with a knob in the large cavity in the back.
1. Put locking tuners in. Not only do they make string changes easier, the gear ratios tend to be better than the cheaper non-locking tuners any sub-$500 guitars anyway. 2. Make sure you have the bridge set flat (not angled up not angled down). Block the bridge so it doesn’t move. 3. Set the 6 finetuners to be halfway 4. Remove the string, replace it, and tune it up. 5. Lock the tuner then lock the nut. 6. Play Eruption until the cows come home. Not trying to be a smartass. Any floating bridge is a mathematical wonder. Lots of physics going on here but the most important thing to remember is that it’s all about equilibrium. Once I have my FR tuned up, I make minor adjustments with the spring tension (I use 2 springs and love the flutter so it’s part of my style and I adapt my playing to it) to get it so the bridge sits at a 0 degree angle. I adjust my tuning and tension as I need to until everything is in equilibrium. This is why FR setups cost more. BUT...once you get the system setup properly the first time, that’s it. It is the best trem system out there because of how it works and how the stricken lock. Here’s no movement on the saddles because they lock at the bridge. Thers no movement at the nut because it locks as well. No points of friction. That’s what Mr Rose was trying to do. It’s not perfect but it’s absolutely rock sound once it’s setup. If your bridge is setup properly, replacing strings should be done one a time in this order: 1/6, 2/5, 3/4. Always block the trem by finding something that fits in the back cavity to prevent the bridge from moving beyond a 0 degree angle. Tremsetters are key here. Get one. The black box is a good one too. I have many guitars and a few are FR systems. A properly setup FR will break very few strings and give you years of use. I have no finetuner FR’s as well like the original Mr Rose gave to EVH and Brad Gillis. It’s not perfect but once it’s in flight, it is the most stable bridge out there as far as trems go. If you want an alternative, try a Wilkinson WKV50 (2-point floating, locking saddles, easy string changes, flutter all you want) and pair it with a graphite nut and locking tuners. These drop directly into any fender or squirt standard/deluxe with 2 posts. You still get a friction point on the saddle but it’s minimal. Either way, learn how do this stuff yourself so you don’t have to pay for it and if you don’t take that route don’t complain because the person setting up your Floyd puts a lot of time into understanding how it works.its a skill and frankly $80 to get it setup once but gives me years of use ... well that’s a no-brained. Otherwise you’ll just complain your guitar sucks and doesn’t stay in tune. Learn how to do yourself.
Have a LTD MH-50, bought it for $150 with a floyd. Always stayed in tune, never had a problem with it. I also lost interest when you referenced $400 or better for having a floyd on it. Would rather play my LTD than a $2000 Gibson or Fender.
I own the same guitar and I've had nothing but problems with it I ended up locking the floyd rose with a peace of wood from the back so my strings wouldn't keep popping out of the saddles Can you tell me how to fix that kind of a problem?
Greg Myers Pawn shop near me bought a guitar off a guy while I was in there. It was an Epiphone Special II. They gave him $35. Turned around, put it on the hanger for $200... I can get one at Guitar Center for $180... (Not that I would, terrible guitar, just an example XD)
If it's that hard then maybe you should be just the player and not the technician. Licensed Jackson floyds stay in tune pretty well when professionally set up btw.
Good honest opinion. I just bought one for the same reason as you because METAL!! But like you I broke a string in the first hour of messing with it. What I'm having a hard time with is finding good advice on changing just one string? I see a ton of videos about changing all the strings.
I feel like the best use for them is with live performances. But if you're just sitting at home learning new songs or writing your own it's not really worth the headache that comes with it. I wish I picked up a Strat instead of my Schecter with a Floyd. It holds its tune better than any other guitar I have but when one string goes out, I find myself adjusting each string to compensate the extra tension needed to tune it back up and I'm stuck adjusting the springs in the back as well.
Changing strings doesn't take a whole lot longer when you have a good workflow. You will change it one string at a time and you tune it up (by approximation) as soon as you changed a string. The smart thing is also to do it from the centre out. First change the G than the D than the B etc that way it keeps the trem balanced. I change a set in about 15-20 minutes. Also setting up a Floyd for action is easier than any guitar with individual saddle adjustments. It takes all but 5 minutes each side of the trem. Just drop the trem until the strings on either end of the fretboard start to choke. Now raise it up with quarter turns and when you can have no choking and the amount of fret buzz you are comfortable with you are done. And there are $300 buck guitars with Trems that stay in tune. I have a Jackson Dinky China to take with me on holidays and that thing stays perfectly in tune. They only thing I had to do is adjust the neck relieve because I went down to Eb tuning and the neck started to lean back. Taking off the truss rod cover is the most amount of work. One quarter turn and 20 hours later it was perfect again. And it sounds totally bitchin and if you loose that guitar you have not lost a great deal.
Can you elaborate on intonation a little more? And I agree, the only think is I’d never buy a Jackson again. Within 45 mins off setting everything up I played 10 minutes did a 2 step string bend and snapped the brand new string. But the sound was fantastic. I prefer my Steve vai jem Ibanez but that’s only because it holds up to my abuse.
was jaming on some pink floid backing tracks today, just hit the imtermediate level, rocking pentatonic scales etc. all of a sudden i wanted to do a dive, looked for the whammy bar, there was non, ofc, on a bc rich warlock. decided i need a new one. found this video. i love the floid rose bridges. never owned one. but tried one. and i want one now. this video just made me love them even more
I bought a Floyd Rose guitar and I don’t even play heavy metal. Lol I play gospel, but I bought it because it stays in tune. A lot of soulful playing in gospel with a lot of tremolo usage..My schecter Banshee extreme makes my job much easier with a Floyd Rose. Floyd Rose trem feels so much smoother than a strat trem
Strat tremolo was meant to be used as two way tremolo ;) this is the only set up that makes it smooth.. Check out Carl Verheyen or my videos. Vintage trem dive bombs, not a problem (with good nut and locking tuners ;)
There's a few simple tools you can make, that will speed-up re-stringing and setting-up a guitar with a Floyd Rose trem on it, one simple tool is a small wood block which is used to get the Floyd Rose bridge sitting so it floats parallel to the front-face of the guitar body, once you've got the block of wood in place, it takes one of the variables out of the equation and you'll end up spending less time tuning the guitar up to pitch, I've got to the point where I'm familiar enough with the Floyd Rose trem system, where I can get it re-strung and set-up in about an hour or so, re-stringing and setting-up of a Floyd Rose trem is something you should do when you have plenty of time on your hands to complete it, not right in the middle of a gig.
Better tip, do 1 string at a time. Then you won’t have an issue with the floating bridge. Massive time saver and usually Is pretty damn close to being on tune
neck length makes a big difference in that tunability! pay the set up and concentrate on intonation...then tune 3 and 4 then tune tune 2 and 5 then retune 3 and 4 then retune 2 and 5 and 3 and 4 then tune 1 and 6 3 and 4 then 2 and 5 then check all of them. then if that is ok lock it down. any variation in this will work that is how they tune them at a shop let it set between the retunes. you can tune it low or a tad high! anf fine tune the difference out! when you have some experience it takes 20 minutes....
ijust got the kramer 1984. i changed the small stock block with a big brass block, it came with 10 guage i put nine guage and removed one spring to reducce tension easy installation and setup. for double stop bends i dont like, thats what a hard tail is for, or a strat style trem tightened flush with the body (non floating) . the thing i like about locking trems most of all is the sustain and tuning stability. i dont use the trem much at all, plus the chrome floyds are beautifull..
my first guitar was a Jackson(when Jackson was still Jackson guitars) but I got it for christmas when I was 12 cause I wanted to pull harmonics like dimebag darrel \m/ Figured out how to restring and retune on my own cause there was no youtube back then lol I've had many fixed bridge, string through guitars and have always preferred the floyd rose. I love its versatility \m/ Good review bud
The only thing I don't like about the Floyd Rose system is that you can't do double stop bends. You'd have to pull the whammy arm up slightly to bring it to pitch.
Also if you bottom out your fine tuners, back them off to the middle, loosen your nut locks and re tune with the keys. It takes maybe 2 minutes. Not even close to a head ache.
I bought a Schecter guitar with a Floyd Rose and it stayed in tune perfectly... Just recently bought a Jackson js32 dinky which after minor adjustments stays in tune amazingly... But both were floor models so that could be why... They could be really worn in
Dude jackson makes amazing guitars,I am about to buy a js32 rhoads,did the jackson need a lot of adjustments,I don't own a tremolo guitar,and I am not sure if I am gonna be able to ste it up
@@obi-wankenobi4254 the reason I had gotten rid of it was because after even gently using the bar, the bushing would come loose, then I'd have to open the back, tighten it, etc. But, if you replace that, it works amazingly after a setup AND if you add a string retainer bar behind the nut.
what do i do when the fine tuner reaches the end? i've got new strings and not 2 days have passed and it's already reached the end (only the high e btw)
You need to remove the locking nut temporarily and retune using the normal tuners. You can avoid this problem by making sure to stretch your strings as much as possible before re-locking your nut. Also, before retuning, set your fine tuners so that they are tuned as low as possible, so that if your strings go flat after you locked the nut, you can use the fine tuners to raise the pitch of the strings as much as necessary.
@@ethanpederson thanks bro. I thought that removing the locking nut was a big no no and that it should never be done since people told me it changed the tension.
Good video. I've never really used whammy bars in my 20 years of playing, but I decided to get a Floyd because of the tuning stability and sustain mainly. But I will use it I think.
1:17 check the new fender squiers they have a floyd rose bridge, active pickups and cost around 390$ (sq contemporary active strat) i own this guitar and it never gets out of tune
My friend has an ESP (not LTD) Horizon FR with a genuine Floyd and the first thing we did was to try, within reason, to make it go out of tune. We even had an electric tuning pedal to see how close it stayed in tune. Eventually we were pulling down the bar and just letting it pop up to shoot spitballs at the ceiling and I'll be damned, but it stayed in tune! The only viable alternative to a genuine Floyd would be the Floyd Rose 3000. It's made of the same materials and specs as the original but manufactured in Korea instead of Germany.
FR guitars are a little quirky but its not that bad...blaco the FR and change 1 string at a time...remember new strings need to stretch so thats what makes it take a little longer. I just bought an Ibanez RG450dx with the Ibanez trem and it took a bit to get the strings broken in but now it stays in tune perfectly.
I own a 30th anniversary PRS Custom 24 "Floyd". Its true that good Floyd Roses stay in tune very well if properly set up. 2nd day of me owning it i tried learning maintence for it just in case and i completely recked it. I took it to my guitar technician and he fixed it as a favor. I do believe that owning a floyd will cost you some $ but it makes up for it with all the awesome stuff you can do with it and not to mention no more tunning every 10 sec. My point is if it suits your need buy it.
I'm in deep love with floating trems, when you get used to them you can tune the guitar in a little more than a minute, and the only real pain in the ass is when you change string gauges (not a lot of guitars come with 9-46 stock)
I bought a Kirk Hammett signature series with a Floyd Rose, not having any knowledge of it. Came home, tried to drop the tuning and yeah spent the next 2 days trying to get ‘er back in standard tuning! It was a little overwhelming at first
Great video! I agree man, I don't even look at guitars under $600, I just skim through the cheap one's until I hit around $600 and up. Trust me folks save more money and get something you'll never want to sell.
I just bought my first floyd rose guitar for 275 and after a proper setup it is staying in tune. For the most part if it wasn't setup just right I could where you're coming from.
Other alternatives are the Ibanez Edge line of floating trems. The Edge, Edge 2/3, Edge Pro, Edge Zero 1/2 etc are excellent alternatives to standard FR's, and Ibanez is usually really affordable. I have an S series that I bought for 500 bucks, with the Edge Zero 2, and it plays magnificently. Tuning stability is great, you get the same exact perks a FR gives you, and the plus of having a longer trem arm (from what I know, FR trem arms are shorter). But the drawback is Ibanez really only offers these bridges on their higher end models. There affordable range usually have trashy lo pros etc, but that goes in line with what you said about not spending less than 400 on a guitar a with trem. Also they usually have really flat radii, so the fretboard may feel weird to some people, but the payoff is you can set your action lower than ever without buzz. However there are mixed reviews about these bridges. More coming from the original Edge from what I've seen. Some say it's the best floating trem on the market next to an original FR, and others say its the worst. But to choose the 2 best in my opinion, they'd be the Edge Pro and Edge Zero 2. Then of course the original Floyd can't be beat. They're still equally annoying to set up, but there are at least great alternatives. Kahler floating bridges are also good from what I hear.
Before you replace your pickups with actives, have you ever compared active vs. passive pickups? Active pickups actually steal some of the guitarist's dynamic control; in other words, you have less ability to make subtle changes in volume with active pickups, thereby limiting your expression.
I set up my Jackson Randy Rhoads with the help of a video on UA-cam. It took a couple of days because I broke a string, and started from scratch with another new set, but I have a perfectly level float on the bridge now (unlike the first time I changed the strings on the guitar). I was going to send it to a luthier I know for a setup but he was going on holidays. I got lucky because you'd be glad of guitar centre's prices if you saw his rates. He does build amazing guitars though. But now that I have a reference to work with, future string changes and setup adjustments shouldn't take me as long. I think mine cost me about €355 on Thomann, which is less than $400.
I find bending a negative because if you are doing a two string bend it's harder than on a guitar than without a trem since you need to use another finger to bring the second string up in pitch slightly.
when I need a string change zmI just take it to my music store and let them do it for me . They dont charge for it if I buy my strings there . If a string breaks in a gig , I always have a back up hardtail guitar ready to go if I need it .
I bought a esp ltd ec 1000 and it was great sounding with active emg pickups but felt strange sitting when playing. I then bought a Jackson js32 king v without active pickups. Removed the bridge pickup right away and installed the emg alx pickup with the gain boost switch which was a pain in the ass to install. Then I put heavier gauge string on and man it took me forever to get it setup correctly I had to mess with everything and almost gave up and went back to a non floyd rose setup. I'm telling you though once I got it adjusted right and with alexi laihos gain boost it rips now. I wanted the esp ltd signature alexi laiho v guitar but after he passed away the prices sky rocketed. I'm happy with the outcome thankfully I'm mechanically inclined or I would have been screwed!
how much can you go up with the bar before a string breaks? should you play a bit first before going crazy on the bar? how easy is it to break strings with the bar?
The bridge coming up a little when you bend is also better because it allows you to bend the string higher up, because as you bend, the tension goes down a little bit.
ok... what if i never use the tremolo system, lets say i have a floyd rose trem in my guitar, but i never ever once rest my hand on the bridge or i dont use to dive bomb or flutter it, hell i dont even have a bar installed on it to pull it, what if i just play it like a normal hardtail guitar, WOULD IT ACTUALLY BE THAT BAD? another question would be if i do use it like a normal hardtail guitar without blocking off anything (its still floating) can i take out the locking nut mechanism since the "tuning stability" wont be affect because i wont be doing crazy divebombs? or is it a 100% requirement for the guitar to have a locking nut with a floyd rose trem at ALL TIMES??
I've got an LTD ordered from reverb comes Tuesday. I first off hope it arrives ok. It's used and speaking to the seller had a paint chip on the headstock. Looks new. Anyway I paid next to nothing for it. LTD Esp mh103qm that was 399.00 new. I don't expect a miracle. Thankfully I have nice gilmour strat black that's my baby. Also a cheap M10 LTD that is actually not bad for yanking off stand by my couch to practice. This guitar coming is a step up from the M10 I suppose but it's the first Floyd rose I will have owned. I've bought my son a few and he likes them but prefers the hard tails etc. My thing is when bending a blues lick and hitting the e high while bending or similar lick the non bended string loses pitch more on rose. I am hoping that I won't be too concerned with it. For 150.00 I paid I don't mind blocking or hell, even completely swapping it for another system non rose or older Schaller ...Nice video.
I agree.. most Guitars that Go for under $400. Brand new... Aren't "all that" , even stoptail... Or string through body. Because at that point the tuners may(or probably would,) be Substandard. And go out of tune easily... Floyd Rose Equipped Guitars are Great if You understand them.. and You're 100% correct.that anyone who owns one Should learn to set them up....but.. I believe that anyone who owns a Guitar of any kind should learn to do all work on them. (that's because I'm cheap and broke and never paid to do Anything to my guitars) lol .. now I build guitars and I do fret leveling. Crown and polish. Truss rod adjustment. String action adjustment. And I build Floyd Rose trems from parts ordered from Floyd Rose ,New Jersey.. (not cheap) .. Great over all video .. thanks for This
I have a SGR C1by Schecter, first floyd I have owned. Stays in tune and really set up isnt that bad. I have playing almost 25 years and do 90% of my own work to my guitars.
Every guitar is unique i luckily haven’t had any issues with my LTD M155. Stays in tune forever and guitar strings are easily changed out one by one and tune each string as you go. Easy
Hi, i have a question. I have a guitar witch i had played since i started. i had tryed a floyd rose Ibanez guitar witch my friend has and i love it. So i want to buy a Kramer Pacer classic witch it has a floyd rose but it is 300$ there are good critics about this guitar. But the question is. Is that guitar good enought?
LOL....the joys and pains of owning a Floyd Rose....I bought an Ibanez RG560 in 1991 and would not trade it for anything less but what you're saying here kid is a little off because I also own Dean 88 that was about $250 bucks when I bought it and has Floyd on it as well and I beat the hell out of that thing and it stays in perfect tune. It's not the price it's all about the set up.
Oh man, If you set up a floyd once and do it correctly it is so easy to change strings. You don't want to change string gauge or tuning with a floyd, If you are not familiar with this. Even so a good floyd (schaller/original) is in my humble opinion just behind the evertune tuning stability wise. Kahler is a fun trem. But not nearly as stable as a floyd.
I add an extra spring in the back.....just so the bar DOESN'T pull down.... because when I bend up to pitch and meet ...say a higher different string. It's still in pitch where it SHOULD be... But...hey... I'm just that crazy one who owns and enjoys over 10 floating tremalo Guitars... I have Floyd Rose Special... Floyd Rose 1000 series.. Floyd Rose Original.. Jackson branded licensed Floyd... Ibanez branded licensed floyd... And a Kahler Spyder floating tremalo.. Lol
i had a RR js model Jackson with a floyd rose. only had one other owner. the first owner onlt play it twice then traded it in for a fender. i payed 400 for her. unfortunately 2 months ago i lost all my guitars ( i had 9) to house fire. i miss her alot. now i have a Jay Turcer Les Paul. picking a Dean Vendetta VNXM 7 string in a few days. but back to the Jackson, i had no problems with her. my favorite. only thing i had a problem with was the locking nut.
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I've owned over 20 Floyd Rose equipped guitars since 1983. Most floating. Don't take all the strings off at once when it's floating. Do one at a time . The trem should be level. When you change the string just by looking at the level your almost in tune. Repeat for each string. Make sure to stretch the string. I can change and tune in @ 10 minutes.
Richard Binder: This should be the number on comment. I worked at a guitar shop for years and you summed it all up in a few srntences. Good job.
+1. I find that the best thing to do is change 1 string at a time and bend the crap out of it for a while. Whammy, bend whatever. Use it as practice time!! Then re-tune that string and everything g should be good. Do 5 more times and you have a well bedded inset of new strings.
OH yeah. I LOVE Amy Ibanez with Floyd Rose hardware.
I used to put some pad underneath the floating bridge while restringing the guitar for years, then one afternoon a street performer at Harvard square gave me the idea of string one by one while discussing about this headache and that was absolute relief...
You have to clean your fretboard eventually tho
If Guitar Center is your only option for set ups, you've got more problems than just a bad Floyd.
Yes lol
God bless online shopping
I like your blue SG where did you get it?
At that point it’s a better idea to learn it yourself & just wing it until you know what’s best for you while listening to people that know what they’re talking about
My first time... At 12 I had my first lesson and got my first guitar on my BD. It was an Ibanez RG with a Floyd. First time tuning it I ended up with the bridge pointing up at 45° and gave up, my dad tried but he played acoustics so no luck. The tech showed us how to do it the next day... not my proudest moment. I'd advise against a Floyd Rose guitar as the first. My second guitar an SG felt like cheating. What you put on the strings tune them and done? This can't be right...
i have a Jackson D. and it stays in tune perfectly and i paid $300
Vic Zav. which dinky model?
Ali Raza Jackson JS32 DKA Santin Black
Vic Zav. how does it sound.. I just ordered dinky js32q arch top. coming on 21 !m!
Ali Raza it sounds great...really smooth and it works even better when i put distortion on it (MXR fullbore metal)
Vic Zav. yeah man.. happy for yoy
I have to go on record here. My Jackson JS32 Kelly is a beast and does an amazing job staying in tune. $300 straight up. Jackson's budget line really is just stellar.
Reviews say the tremolo on tht isn't really good, did u have any tremolo issues ?
@@mrdevil848 lots of people say theyre unstable but not really theyre fine i just dont like it coz i like the ergonomics of the ibanez edge on my 550 which outclasses all floyds in smoothness too
He sounds like mclovin lol
"i am mc lovin"
Ahahahahaha yeahh
u mean superbad
Probably we should check his driver license
Don't change the strings out all at a time. Change them one at a time, removing the string, changing it, and tuning it back up, before moving on to the next. That way you preserve your tension. And tune the strings up one after another bit by bit sequentially. You can't tune one string then move to the next, they'll go all out again.
I got a Jackson JS32 Dinky DKA-M for €300 ($315) It's less then 400 but the msrp on Jackson's site is $399.
I managed to restring it today without any errors and it stays in tune fairly well.
Jackson js32 has never gone out of tune
PJ Scherens Same bro... What color
Getting the js32 too. Is it good for the price?
Mouad Granderson fuck yea
my dinky is totally tits :) the only thing I’ve broken is a tuner
Owning, setting up, and maintaining a Floyd Rose, requires a 'learning curve'. Lower-end guitars are equipped with a lower-end Floyd: the metals used in the various components, therein, are 'Zinc'-based alloys. Higher end guitars use a Floyd that is made of hardened-steel alloys. The zinc-based models', components, wear out relatively quickly.
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if you're going to restring it you should probably block off the trem block so the bridge wont flop back and forth as you remove the strings,
Doug Marks of Metal Method explains on one of his videos the easiest way to tune a Floyd is to start on the low E string and if it’s 3 cents flat tune it 3 cents sharp and go through all the strings like that. Usually after you do that a couple of times by the 3rd time you’ll only need to do that on the low E, A and D strings and tune the others to pitch and it’s done. I learned that lesson years ago while watching Doug’s video and it works every time 🎸
Yep, setup cost for my FR is $0 'cause I learned to do it myself. It ain't rocket science. ;-)
actually it is bcs for example i almost broke my neck while making my truss rod setting or i dont know my action point is too high i still dont know how can i fix it (wasnt mess up with truss rod just because action point i had buzzying problem)
Learn to set up your guitar by yourself. Then it's free. I wouldn't want somebody setting up my guitar
Never understood why people pay other people to set up their guitars
CornKing Convenience and laziness. I know I would do it but frankly I don't want to keep throwing away money and I want to learn how to set it up myself. Even if it takes me hours to learn.
@@FingerBob Because some people value their time differently to you. Why do some people pay to have their car serviced? Why do some people pay to have others cook food for them?
I set my own guitars up. I can change the strings in a very short time. Dude it's a floating bridge.
You may have to be fine tune. Like always
My dad has 6 guitars with real Floyd roses. He literally spent years practicing changing them and he can set them up sooo fast
I bought a Jackson JS32 new from Guitar Center(yes, I have a bit of buyer’s remorse) with a “Floyd Rose”; I’ve had it for about a year now and I’ve already changed the strings I don’t know how many times
I get why people are afraid to work on their own stuff, I was recently gifted a ‘68 reissue Stratocaster that I’m having an actual, well-known guitar tech at a local shop set it up. He’s set up guitars for Eric Clapton, Jerry Garcia, etc and he charges $150. That’s his rate. But a $400 guitar? I’ve spent so much time changing the tuning, changing the strings because I break them, I haven’t shaved the frets or anything but it ain’t hard to set the action, adjust the truss rod, I’m definitely still learning how to play it, but it’s a fun guitar. And it’s fun to tinker with too
@@justgivenofox9543 hey man I'm planning on buying the same exact guitar can you please tell me how the experience was?? Thank youu
@@araryaerwinanto6052 it’s an awesome guitar for the price. The frets actually feel great for it being a Chinese guitar. The pickups for them being humbuckers still produce a little bit of notice while the guitar is standing still but throw a suppressor or noise gate in front of your amp and adjust the pickup height, that’ll help. If you can find one on the used market I would do that instead of buying brand new. Buying a guitar brand new nowadays is the biggest scam you can avoid. But the JS32 is an awesome guitar. For help or more info on Floyd Rose’s/floating bridges, look up Rob Arnold here on UA-cam. He was the guitar player for this band Chimaira and has tons of videos on setting one up and how to tune it, etc. Like I said, it’s fun to tinker with too
@@araryaerwinanto6052 do you have a guitar already with a fixed bridge? Or will this be your first guitar?
@@justgivenofox9543 wowss hey man, thank you so much for the response, didn't know china made jacksons. I think I might just buy a new one instead of a used one, cant trust people who sell used guitars since a friend of mine bought a used guitar and ended up being a way whole different guitar and it was even defective. But yeah I feel good about this guitar I might use it for gigs. Thank you once again 🎸🤘🏻
I spent 20 years avoiding Floyd Rose and now I absolutely love them. I can play rock or metal with them or blues and country and make them sound like a Bigsby. Once you learn the tricks they are hard to beat.
For the under 400 dollar floyd rose guitars...simply move the springs in the back to the side of the bridge that needs higher resistance (the side with more tension), mine was 325 dollars and when i tried this method, i only needed to tune once every week. Definitely try this method.
Funny hearing your say "If there's one that sells for 400$ new, and a guy is selling it for 200$ go for it" Because I just got a Ibanez rg470 Autumn Fade (400 new) from a guy on craigslist for 200. And I had no idea what a floyd rose even was all I knew is that polyphia uses it so I needed one. I tried tuning not knowing about the pieces on the nut and completely killed the string. So first string change I took all of the strings out by loosening the screws on the rose, Lost a piece on the nut that keeps the knobs from tuning it, Stripped the hole where the screws hold the strings (The previous owner had a wood block so I took out the peice by unscrewing it so I could take it out) So now it can only come halfway out tops, then after a 3 hour procedure I got the floyd flat, the strings tuned, so I strum my first chord on the guitar aaand its out of tune. So I spend the next 30 mins retuning readjusting the floyd over and over then It was late and I wasn't allowed to play it. But now that I actually watched how NOT to destroy my guitar and it sounds good, feels good and stays in tune
I have a $300 Jackson Kelly that's rock solid.
Dave Rockk I have a $330 Jackson Dinky and I haven't had problems
Same!
I just got one yesterday its great
Dave Rockk I have a Jackson Kelly too! 1996, I bought it a few days ago. It's red.
I'm getting the jackson js32q.
Dinky.. Probably should be worried about tuning issues a?
I own a BC Rich ASM Standard ($250) with a Floyd Rose Special, stays in tune perfectly. Only issue was that I needed to replace my stock tuners, and now it's faster to change strings since I install Hipshot locking tuners (reduce time since minimal winding is needed). I also own a BC Rich ASM Pro ($800) with a Floyd Rose Original equipped, and I have no issues with that guitar. I had a coworker in the USAF who helped me learn how to maintain and tune a Floyd Rose; it isn't hard, it just takes time and patience.
Change out your strings one at a time, and if you have to do all at once, lock your bridge in place from the back end or at the tremolo block before doing a full swap to alleviate tension on the strings during setup.
Charvels are my favorite. But had to settle with a Jackson JS32. Never had Floyd before so trying to figure it out haha. Thanks for the video!
how is it going so far? do you think its worth it for me to buy a js30?
I get your point with the whole "not using the whammy bar as much as I thought" thing. I have floating trems because of the tuning stability. I have an Ibanez RG550 with an Edge Tremolo. That thing stays in tune so well that I haven't tuned it in over 2 months.
Just leveled and retuned my first fr guitar. Squier stagemaster.
It was actually pretty easy.
Backed off the claw into a block and tuned it then tightened the claw until the block fell out and fine tuned the test of the way.
I imagine a restring would be the same procedure.
Stays in tune really well.
Floathing trems are ok as long as you dont damage the knife edges.. doesnt matter if cheap or expensive
Some of them have better material for the knife edges than others. The Gotoh, OFR, and high-end Ibanez tremolos are good.
I always put something (like a stack of picks) inside the floyd to lock it, then restring it, tune it like normal guitar, then unlock it, then fine tune it. Saves a lot of time. I'll probably get some decent floyd rose lock thingie eventually just for this purpose.
My number-one HATE about owning a Floyd Rose... adjusting intonation. Oy! Currently, my PRS with a Floyd Rose is "close enough". Not perfect... but close enough that I'm not willing to mess with it. As far as bending notes, you're absolutely right... until you want to do unison bends. Floyds aren't awesome for unison bends because bending one string pulls the other strings slightly out of tune, so finding unity isn't as clean, or in tune... you can make it work, though. ;) Cool vid, man!
BACzero yeah when I first got one I couldn't believe how difficult intonation is compared to a strat tremolo.. also being unable to adjust individual string height..
I am a noob to Floyds and setting up my intonation (which was horrible) was not hard at all.
And as far as unison bends... Know what you do?
Bend the out of tune string slightly to pitch. Very easy to compensate for.
Love my Floyd! Not really that hard to setup once you get it figured out.
I actually love the string spacing and sound of these bridges. I block mine permanently, and you can change strings just as fast as a string thru bridge
Which guitar is that? It looks really beautiful that I need to know pls
I ordered a jackson js32 rhoads and I've heard it stays in tune very well
So in your experience it does stay in tune?
Wasn't down for a Floyd Rose bridge but I recently came upon a Schecter Hellraiser with a price too good to not pick up. Probably the best playing guitar I've ever held tbh
I got a solar guitar today.
I was so thrilled. I unboxed it immediately broke the low e string. Ughh it killes my mood bro. Thanks for this video
The fact that the floyd moves when you bend makes it harder as you have to move the string further to reach to same pitch as a non trem guitar
Exactly what I was thinking
My thoughts also!
I heard GC and was done there. “Normal” in my collection is with a FR...actually I don’t own a single stoptail bridge. Playing guitar is an endless learning experience. Remember how much of a headache it was to learn your first song, chord, scale? And now that’s all behind you...
With patience and practice a FR becomes the “norm.”
Remembering my downstairs neighbor in college now....banging on the ceiling with a broom to get me to stop. Had stack marshall amp a friend loaned me, my god i must of drove her insane 😂
my first electric guitar was a Floyd rose, used for $200 but i took it home for $175 and the high E was snapped, so I replaced all the strings, played around with it for a while until I found out the proper way to mess with the tunings lol. It was damn great, I looked up online and it sells for $300, but it is just great, i haven't played with any other Floyd Rose guitars, so I really don't know the true holy grail of the double locking tremolos. The guitar is a B.C. Rich Beast Platinum Pro Series, the main guitar I use, not completely set up xD I play at drop C and have space on the fine tuners to tune the C up to a D for D standard (it is also blocked off with a stack of pennies) which is friggn awesome, but there's this other tremolo company out there called "Coherent Sound In Light" which has the same functions of a Floyd, but without a lot of the cons such as not having to cut off the ball end, you don't have to mess with the screws that are with the springs to readjust the tuning, instead, you dial it in with a knob in the large cavity in the back.
1. Put locking tuners in. Not only do they make string changes easier, the gear ratios tend to be better than the cheaper non-locking tuners any sub-$500 guitars anyway.
2. Make sure you have the bridge set flat (not angled up not angled down). Block the bridge so it doesn’t move.
3. Set the 6 finetuners to be halfway
4. Remove the string, replace it, and tune it up.
5. Lock the tuner then lock the nut.
6. Play Eruption until the cows come home.
Not trying to be a smartass. Any floating bridge is a mathematical wonder. Lots of physics going on here but the most important thing to remember is that it’s all about equilibrium.
Once I have my FR tuned up, I make minor adjustments with the spring tension (I use 2 springs and love the flutter so it’s part of my style and I adapt my playing to it) to get it so the bridge sits at a 0 degree angle. I adjust my tuning and tension as I need to until everything is in equilibrium. This is why FR setups cost more.
BUT...once you get the system setup properly the first time, that’s it. It is the best trem system out there because of how it works and how the stricken lock. Here’s no movement on the saddles because they lock at the bridge. Thers no movement at the nut because it locks as well. No points of friction. That’s what Mr Rose was trying to do. It’s not perfect but it’s absolutely rock sound once it’s setup.
If your bridge is setup properly, replacing strings should be done one a time in this order: 1/6, 2/5, 3/4. Always block the trem by finding something that fits in the back cavity to prevent the bridge from moving beyond a 0 degree angle. Tremsetters are key here. Get one. The black box is a good one too.
I have many guitars and a few are FR systems. A properly setup FR will break very few strings and give you years of use. I have no finetuner FR’s as well like the original Mr Rose gave to EVH and Brad Gillis. It’s not perfect but once it’s in flight, it is the most stable bridge out there as far as trems go.
If you want an alternative, try a Wilkinson WKV50 (2-point floating, locking saddles, easy string changes, flutter all you want) and pair it with a graphite nut and locking tuners. These drop directly into any fender or squirt standard/deluxe with 2 posts. You still get a friction point on the saddle but it’s minimal.
Either way, learn how do this stuff yourself so you don’t have to pay for it and if you don’t take that route don’t complain because the person setting up your Floyd puts a lot of time into understanding how it works.its a skill and frankly $80 to get it setup once but gives me years of use ... well that’s a no-brained. Otherwise you’ll just complain your guitar sucks and doesn’t stay in tune. Learn how to do yourself.
Have a LTD MH-50, bought it for $150 with a floyd. Always stayed in tune, never had a problem with it. I also lost interest when you referenced $400 or better for having a floyd on it. Would rather play my LTD than a $2000 Gibson or Fender.
Agreed. I have a DBZ Barchetta and I just bought an LTD MH-350. I would rather play them over a Gibson any day.
I own the same guitar and I've had nothing but problems with it
I ended up locking the floyd rose with a peace of wood from the back so my strings wouldn't keep popping out of the saddles
Can you tell me how to fix that kind of a problem?
I've not had one problem with my FR. Mine is an Original though. They are a much higher quality than any licensed trem
@@nickjurgle7131 u have l a ltd-mh 50, and it's been a pain in the ass since I got it...
You should upgrade the trem block and the string locks. That helps a lot.
I bought a guitar from a pawnshop for 80 dollars that is 350 new and it works perfect, I've had it for 3 years
Greg Myers
Pawn shop near me bought a guitar off a guy while I was in there. It was an Epiphone Special II. They gave him $35. Turned around, put it on the hanger for $200... I can get one at Guitar Center for $180... (Not that I would, terrible guitar, just an example XD)
If it's that hard then maybe you should be just the player and not the technician. Licensed Jackson floyds stay in tune pretty well when professionally set up btw.
So true, just got a Jackson js32rm Rhoads special edition with Pre installed Jackson Floyd rose and hasn’t even faltered
Good honest opinion. I just bought one for the same reason as you because METAL!! But like you I broke a string in the first hour of messing with it. What I'm having a hard time with is finding good advice on changing just one string? I see a ton of videos about changing all the strings.
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Sure did. Was just scrolling through to see if anyone had already posted this.
I feel like the best use for them is with live performances. But if you're just sitting at home learning new songs or writing your own it's not really worth the headache that comes with it. I wish I picked up a Strat instead of my Schecter with a Floyd. It holds its tune better than any other guitar I have but when one string goes out, I find myself adjusting each string to compensate the extra tension needed to tune it back up and I'm stuck adjusting the springs in the back as well.
Changing strings doesn't take a whole lot longer when you have a good workflow.
You will change it one string at a time and you tune it up (by approximation) as soon as you changed a string.
The smart thing is also to do it from the centre out. First change the G than the D than the B etc that way it keeps the trem balanced. I change a set in about 15-20 minutes.
Also setting up a Floyd for action is easier than any guitar with individual saddle adjustments. It takes all but 5 minutes each side of the trem. Just drop the trem until the strings on either end of the fretboard start to choke. Now raise it up with quarter turns and when you can have no choking and the amount of fret buzz you are comfortable with you are done.
And there are $300 buck guitars with Trems that stay in tune. I have a Jackson Dinky China to take with me on holidays and that thing stays perfectly in tune. They only thing I had to do is adjust the neck relieve because I went down to Eb tuning and the neck started to lean back. Taking off the truss rod cover is the most amount of work. One quarter turn and 20 hours later it was perfect again. And it sounds totally bitchin and if you loose that guitar you have not lost a great deal.
Can you elaborate on intonation a little more? And I agree, the only think is I’d never buy a Jackson again. Within 45 mins off setting everything up I played 10 minutes did a 2 step string bend and snapped the brand new string. But the sound was fantastic. I prefer my Steve vai jem Ibanez but that’s only because it holds up to my abuse.
I got my first Floyd Rose when I was 11…
It irritated the hell out of me but it kept tune just fine.
was jaming on some pink floid backing tracks today, just hit the imtermediate level, rocking pentatonic scales etc. all of a sudden i wanted to do a dive, looked for the whammy bar, there was non, ofc, on a bc rich warlock. decided i need a new one. found this video. i love the floid rose bridges. never owned one. but tried one. and i want one now. this video just made me love them even more
I bought a Floyd Rose guitar and I don’t even play heavy metal. Lol I play gospel, but I bought it because it stays in tune. A lot of soulful playing in gospel with a lot of tremolo usage..My schecter Banshee extreme makes my job much easier with a Floyd Rose. Floyd Rose trem feels so much smoother than a strat trem
Strat tremolo was meant to be used as two way tremolo ;) this is the only set up that makes it smooth.. Check out Carl Verheyen or my videos. Vintage trem dive bombs, not a problem (with good nut and locking tuners ;)
There's a few simple tools you can make, that will speed-up re-stringing and setting-up a guitar with a Floyd Rose trem on it, one simple tool is a small wood block which is used to get the Floyd Rose bridge sitting so it floats parallel to the front-face of the guitar body, once you've got the block of wood in place, it takes one of the variables out of the equation and you'll end up spending less time tuning the guitar up to pitch, I've got to the point where I'm familiar enough with the Floyd Rose trem system, where I can get it re-strung and set-up in about an hour or so, re-stringing and setting-up of a Floyd Rose trem is something you should do when you have plenty of time on your hands to complete it, not right in the middle of a gig.
Better tip, do 1 string at a time. Then you won’t have an issue with the floating bridge. Massive time saver and usually
Is pretty damn close to being on tune
neck length makes a big difference in that tunability!
pay the set up and concentrate on intonation...then tune 3 and 4 then tune tune 2 and 5 then retune 3 and 4 then retune 2 and 5 and 3 and 4 then tune 1 and 6 3 and 4 then 2 and 5 then check all of them. then if that is ok lock it down. any variation in this will work that is how they tune them at a shop
let it set between the retunes. you can tune it low or a tad high! anf fine tune the difference out! when you have some experience it takes 20 minutes....
$25-35 for a setup? I have two local shops, one charges $75, the other $90. Both not including strings. Where are you getting setups for that cheap?
ijust got the kramer 1984. i changed the small stock block with a big brass block, it came with 10 guage i put nine guage and removed one spring to reducce tension easy installation and setup. for double stop bends i dont like, thats what a hard tail is for, or a strat style trem tightened flush with the body (non floating) . the thing i like about locking trems most of all is the sustain and tuning stability. i dont use the trem much at all, plus the chrome floyds are beautifull..
my first guitar was a Jackson(when Jackson was still Jackson guitars) but I got it for christmas when I was 12 cause I wanted to pull harmonics like dimebag darrel \m/ Figured out how to restring and retune on my own cause there was no youtube back then lol I've had many fixed bridge, string through guitars and have always preferred the floyd rose. I love its versatility \m/ Good review bud
Such a great and retrospective video even 6 years later
The only thing I don't like about the Floyd Rose system is that you can't do double stop bends. You'd have to pull the whammy arm up slightly to bring it to pitch.
I have a jackson Js32 rhoads v with a floyd and it stays in tune relatively well. i payed $230 for it used
I was looking for picking hand technique when playing a floyd's floating bridge.
Also if you bottom out your fine tuners, back them off to the middle, loosen your nut locks and re tune with the keys. It takes maybe 2 minutes. Not even close to a head ache.
I bought a Schecter guitar with a Floyd Rose and it stayed in tune perfectly... Just recently bought a Jackson js32 dinky which after minor adjustments stays in tune amazingly... But both were floor models so that could be why... They could be really worn in
Dude jackson makes amazing guitars,I am about to buy a js32 rhoads,did the jackson need a lot of adjustments,I don't own a tremolo guitar,and I am not sure if I am gonna be able to ste it up
@@obi-wankenobi4254 the reason I had gotten rid of it was because after even gently using the bar, the bushing would come loose, then I'd have to open the back, tighten it, etc. But, if you replace that, it works amazingly after a setup AND if you add a string retainer bar behind the nut.
what do i do when the fine tuner reaches the end? i've got new strings and not 2 days have passed and it's already reached the end (only the high e btw)
You need to remove the locking nut temporarily and retune using the normal tuners. You can avoid this problem by making sure to stretch your strings as much as possible before re-locking your nut. Also, before retuning, set your fine tuners so that they are tuned as low as possible, so that if your strings go flat after you locked the nut, you can use the fine tuners to raise the pitch of the strings as much as necessary.
@@ethanpederson thanks bro. I thought that removing the locking nut was a big no no and that it should never be done since people told me it changed the tension.
Good video. I've never really used whammy bars in my 20 years of playing, but I decided to get a Floyd because of the tuning stability and sustain mainly. But I will use it I think.
1:17 check the new fender squiers they have a floyd rose bridge, active pickups and cost around 390$ (sq contemporary active strat) i own this guitar and it never gets out of tune
My friend has an ESP (not LTD) Horizon FR with a genuine Floyd and the first thing we did was to try, within reason, to make it go out of tune. We even had an electric tuning pedal to see how close it stayed in tune. Eventually we were pulling down the bar and just letting it pop up to shoot spitballs at the ceiling and I'll be damned, but it stayed in tune! The only viable alternative to a genuine Floyd would be the Floyd Rose 3000. It's made of the same materials and specs as the original but manufactured in Korea instead of Germany.
FR guitars are a little quirky but its not that bad...blaco the FR and change 1 string at a time...remember new strings need to stretch so thats what makes it take a little longer. I just bought an Ibanez RG450dx with the Ibanez trem and it took a bit to get the strings broken in but now it stays in tune perfectly.
I own a 30th anniversary PRS Custom 24 "Floyd". Its true that good Floyd Roses stay in tune very well if properly set up. 2nd day of me owning it i tried learning maintence for it just in case and i completely recked it. I took it to my guitar technician and he fixed it as a favor. I do believe that owning a floyd will cost you some $ but it makes up for it with all the awesome stuff you can do with it and not to mention no more tunning every 10 sec. My point is if it suits your need buy it.
I'm in deep love with floating trems, when you get used to them you can tune the guitar in a little more than a minute, and the only real pain in the ass is when you change string gauges (not a lot of guitars come with 9-46 stock)
I have a Jackson Kelly its priced around 300 and it plays well
I bought a Kirk Hammett signature series with a Floyd Rose, not having any knowledge of it. Came home, tried to drop the tuning and yeah spent the next 2 days trying to get ‘er back in standard tuning! It was a little overwhelming at first
Great video! I agree man, I don't even look at guitars under $600, I just skim through the cheap one's until I hit around $600 and up. Trust me folks save more money and get something you'll never want to sell.
I agree especially the cheap kramers, but the cheaper jacksons are alright.
I just bought my first floyd rose guitar for 275 and after a proper setup it is staying in tune. For the most part if it wasn't setup just right I could where you're coming from.
Other alternatives are the Ibanez Edge line of floating trems. The Edge, Edge 2/3, Edge Pro, Edge Zero 1/2 etc are excellent alternatives to standard FR's, and Ibanez is usually really affordable. I have an S series that I bought for 500 bucks, with the Edge Zero 2, and it plays magnificently. Tuning stability is great, you get the same exact perks a FR gives you, and the plus of having a longer trem arm (from what I know, FR trem arms are shorter). But the drawback is Ibanez really only offers these bridges on their higher end models. There affordable range usually have trashy lo pros etc, but that goes in line with what you said about not spending less than 400 on a guitar a with trem. Also they usually have really flat radii, so the fretboard may feel weird to some people, but the payoff is you can set your action lower than ever without buzz.
However there are mixed reviews about these bridges. More coming from the original Edge from what I've seen. Some say it's the best floating trem on the market next to an original FR, and others say its the worst. But to choose the 2 best in my opinion, they'd be the Edge Pro and Edge Zero 2. Then of course the original Floyd can't be beat.
They're still equally annoying to set up, but there are at least great alternatives. Kahler floating bridges are also good from what I hear.
Do I add another spring so my Floyd rose can stay in tune? Mine currently has 3 springs. But i got an extra one when I bought the guitar.
If you need more spring tension, add another spring. If you are using 10 gauge strings or lower, 3 springs should be enough.
just popping by to add an old video pulled me to your channel. sick content
"bending thing." Don't take bong rips, before trying to give guitar advice.
Hahahahaha
Always take bong rips before giving any advice!
Always
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Hello Eric, Can you please PLEASE for the love of GOD, show us how to replace original pickups with emg? EMG ACTIVE OR HZ
Before you replace your pickups with actives, have you ever compared active vs. passive pickups? Active pickups actually steal some of the guitarist's dynamic control; in other words, you have less ability to make subtle changes in volume with active pickups, thereby limiting your expression.
Already changed to EMG 81 and 85, and happy with my jackson, i wanted to change them from stock, bcoz i already have schecter with seymour duncans
He can't, he took it to guitar center
Floyd rose or edge on Ibanez are awesome. Not a biggie if you drop tune or change gauges. It’s beautiful.
I set up my Jackson Randy Rhoads with the help of a video on UA-cam. It took a couple of days because I broke a string, and started from scratch with another new set, but I have a perfectly level float on the bridge now (unlike the first time I changed the strings on the guitar). I was going to send it to a luthier I know for a setup but he was going on holidays. I got lucky because you'd be glad of guitar centre's prices if you saw his rates. He does build amazing guitars though. But now that I have a reference to work with, future string changes and setup adjustments shouldn't take me as long. I think mine cost me about €355 on Thomann, which is less than $400.
I find bending a negative because if you are doing a two string bend it's harder than on a guitar than without a trem since you need to use another finger to bring the second string up in pitch slightly.
when I need a string change zmI just take it to my music store and let them do it for me . They dont charge for it if I buy my strings there . If a string breaks in a gig , I always have a back up hardtail guitar ready to go if I need it .
I bought a second hand LTD ESP, works so good!
Best tip I ever got: Never EVER remove all strings at the same time - will be headache of the century.
I believe giving a fixed price ($400) is a little be harsh. There are some guitars on the range of 300 which work well.
i spent 350 on a jackson js34q dinky with a floyd rose and it’s been great. i’ve recently got a schecter hellraiser fr.
What is that guitar? It looks great
I bought a esp ltd ec 1000 and it was great sounding with active emg pickups but felt strange sitting when playing. I then bought a Jackson js32 king v without active pickups. Removed the bridge pickup right away and installed the emg alx pickup with the gain boost switch which was a pain in the ass to install. Then I put heavier gauge string on and man it took me forever to get it setup correctly I had to mess with everything and almost gave up and went back to a non floyd rose setup. I'm telling you though once I got it adjusted right and with alexi laihos gain boost it rips now. I wanted the esp ltd signature alexi laiho v guitar but after he passed away the prices sky rocketed. I'm happy with the outcome thankfully I'm mechanically inclined or I would have been screwed!
Not a bad video but it didn't really tell me much about actually using a Floyd Rose. I wanted to know more about intonation, drop tuning etc
how much can you go up with the bar before a string breaks? should you play a bit first before going crazy on the bar? how easy is it to break strings with the bar?
The bridge coming up a little when you bend is also better because it allows you to bend the string higher up, because as you bend, the tension goes down a little bit.
Preston B yes, but less tension means that the note becomes lower...
ok... what if i never use the tremolo system, lets say i have a floyd rose trem in my guitar, but i never ever once rest my hand on the bridge or i dont use to dive bomb or flutter it, hell i dont even have a bar installed on it to pull it, what if i just play it like a normal hardtail guitar, WOULD IT ACTUALLY BE THAT BAD? another question would be if i do use it like a normal hardtail guitar without blocking off anything (its still floating) can i take out the locking nut mechanism since the "tuning stability" wont be affect because i wont be doing crazy divebombs? or is it a 100% requirement for the guitar to have a locking nut with a floyd rose trem at ALL TIMES??
I've got an LTD ordered from reverb comes Tuesday. I first off hope it arrives ok. It's used and speaking to the seller had a paint chip on the headstock. Looks new. Anyway I paid next to nothing for it. LTD Esp mh103qm that was 399.00 new. I don't expect a miracle. Thankfully I have nice gilmour strat black that's my baby. Also a cheap M10 LTD that is actually not bad for yanking off stand by my couch to practice. This guitar coming is a step up from the M10 I suppose but it's the first Floyd rose I will have owned. I've bought my son a few and he likes them but prefers the hard tails etc. My thing is when bending a blues lick and hitting the e high while bending or similar lick the non bended string loses pitch more on rose. I am hoping that I won't be too concerned with it. For 150.00 I paid I don't mind blocking or hell, even completely swapping it for another system non rose or older Schaller ...Nice video.
I agree.. most Guitars that Go for under $400. Brand new... Aren't "all that" , even stoptail... Or string through body. Because at that point the tuners may(or probably would,) be Substandard. And go out of tune easily... Floyd Rose Equipped Guitars are Great if You understand them.. and You're 100% correct.that anyone who owns one Should learn to set them up....but.. I believe that anyone who owns a Guitar of any kind should learn to do all work on them. (that's because I'm cheap and broke and never paid to do Anything to my guitars) lol .. now I build guitars and I do fret leveling. Crown and polish. Truss rod adjustment. String action adjustment. And I build Floyd Rose trems from parts ordered from Floyd Rose ,New Jersey.. (not cheap) ..
Great over all video .. thanks for This
I have a SGR C1by Schecter, first floyd I have owned. Stays in tune and really set up isnt that bad. I have playing almost 25 years and do 90% of my own work to my guitars.
Every guitar is unique i luckily haven’t had any issues with my LTD M155. Stays in tune forever and guitar strings are easily changed out one by one and tune each string as you go. Easy
Hi, i have a question. I have a guitar witch i had played since i started. i had tryed a floyd rose Ibanez guitar witch my friend has and i love it. So i want to buy a Kramer Pacer classic witch it has a floyd rose but it is 300$ there are good critics about this guitar. But the question is. Is that guitar good enought?
I bought my Kramer Striker used in 2012 for like $150. It stays in tune perfectly. You need to set it up properly, that's it.
LOL....the joys and pains of owning a Floyd Rose....I bought an Ibanez RG560 in 1991 and would not trade it for anything less but what you're saying here kid is a little off because I also own Dean 88 that was about $250 bucks when I bought it and has Floyd on it as well and I beat the hell out of that thing and it stays in perfect tune. It's not the price it's all about the set up.
Thanks. Almost going to get one, but i may choose to stay satisfied with an extra routed strat trem which floats with lots of room up and down.
Oh man, If you set up a floyd once and do it correctly it is so easy to change strings. You don't want to change string gauge or tuning with a floyd, If you are not familiar with this. Even so a good floyd (schaller/original) is in my humble opinion just behind the evertune tuning stability wise. Kahler is a fun trem. But not nearly as stable as a floyd.
I add an extra spring in the back.....just so the bar DOESN'T pull down.... because when I bend up to pitch and meet ...say a higher different string. It's still in pitch where it SHOULD be...
But...hey... I'm just that crazy one who owns and enjoys over 10 floating tremalo Guitars... I have Floyd Rose Special... Floyd Rose 1000 series.. Floyd Rose Original.. Jackson branded licensed Floyd... Ibanez branded licensed floyd... And a Kahler Spyder floating tremalo..
Lol
i had a RR js model Jackson with a floyd rose. only had one other owner. the first owner onlt play it twice then traded it in for a fender. i payed 400 for her. unfortunately 2 months ago i lost all my guitars ( i had 9) to house fire. i miss her alot. now i have a Jay Turcer Les Paul. picking a Dean Vendetta VNXM 7 string in a few days. but back to the Jackson, i had no problems with her. my favorite. only thing i had a problem with was the locking nut.
I bought a Jackson Kelly for 333 euro's and the floyd works just fine and stays in tune very well.
I had an Ibanez rg350mdx and it was great. Never any problems with tuning.
I got $636 Floyd rose guitar by Schecter, it got flat time to time! What that mean