There is a lot of debate as to whether the FBI agents revolvers were really loaded with .357 magnum ammo. First, it doesn't really matter. Secondly, when I attended the FBI seminar and viewed their training videos they consistently referred to .357 magnum. "he was shot with a .357 magnum" and so on. In a recorded interview, one of the agents referred to his revolver as, "My magnum." As I have mentioned many times, sources don't always agree with each other.
Dear Paul, In this video you explain that the 1986 Miami Dade shootout should be at the top of the list of many other shootouts to read and learn about [2:03]. Would it be to much asking if you could analyse in detail another important shootout event with your boring long talks, dramatic Shatner pauses and your inevitable return to the dawn of time? You may not like it yourself, but by God I know I'm one of the absolute majority who likes it. Please, please, please. P.S: please stay safe in these tricky times.
Very good. I lived in Miami when this went down and there was no end the armchair commandos on construction sites giving their take on this event. I had gone shooting along some of those same canals. In the end your analysis is spot on. In the words of Clint Smith "Only hits count. You can't miss fast enough to catch up."
@@houssamassila6274 or maybe what to do if a 'Red Dawn' movie type war starts. Or maybe cival war. Or just crazy times and at worst, with people having to actively arm themselves, what to do?
@@fbomb2077 if you watch Paul closely, all his videos are all about how to handle your weapons responsibly and efficiently for all kinds of needs, from self defense to hunting. Those are operational videos. What I am asking for, is rather more analytical, more academic and more directed towards the theoretical understanding of shootout situations. Because in those, one can enlarge their awareness out of a panicked tunnel vision that happens to the best of us in crucial moments. As for civil war or Red Dawn (whatever that means) if you use common sense, know your weapons and how to use them responsibly and efficiently and as long as you're not dunski you should be fine. And there will not be any civil war in America don't worry.
This has to be the third or fourth time I've watched this analysis over the years First time since Paul's passing. This time I'm watching to visit with Paul.
Dave Boothney I’ve always found it hard to second guess the man on the spot. Decisions that have to be made in split seconds are easy to criticize when you have days to analyze them, but that may not really be valid criticism at all. People complain that the police are too quick to shoot. With as many officers are there are getting shot these days, maybe they aren’t shooting quickly enough. It’s easy enough to talk about tasers, beanbags, shooting to wound, etc. when you weren’t there being shot at.
I can show you a video which of course is an extreme exception of how officers really act when it comes about to a shooting, but that officer killed a scared unarmed guy laying on the ground, that officer should have get atleast dropped out of his police job and of course many others who can not control their emotions because of fear. Being a police officer in america is too easy.
yeah its a great quote. ive been in a few bad situations and gotten flack for it later. its like hey man take away all your time to think and see how well ya do
@@apugalypse_now Indeed. I'm a historian myself (retired history professor), and although it doesn't happen as often as is commonly believed, too many historians critique the actions of people who had to make very quick decisions (said decision based on limited information) while studying an incident in history. The saying, however, comes from a misinterpretation of what some historians do: conjecture about what might have happened had the individual in question made a *different* decision? My favorite part of this incident Paul actually covered. The "agent who ran away." What would *I* have done? I'll tell you: I'd have wet my pants and ran away. I know it's kind of humorous, but it's the basic truth. I've been shot at only once in my 70 years (never served in the military), and it scared the daylights out of me. At that range, I'd have felt like I'd cheated death and was lucky to be alive. The incident that I was shot at was a hunting accident, where a fellow hunter mistook me for deer in the brush.
Coming back to my favorite Paul Harrell video after the sad news today. We will miss your Shatner-esque pauses, disclaimers, caveats, yabbits, and opinions. Thank you Paul!
"The 357 magnum is a powerful weapon, but I'm steadfast of the opinion that it is virtually useless unless you are capable of hitting what you're shooting at."
According to Wiki, all of the 357 magnums were shooting .38 special +P, which is about as powerful as the 9mm. When they later went to the 10mm, most people could not handle the extra recoil.
@Legend Of Cretacia It's important to note though that suppressive fire isn't supposed to miss, but is meant to be effective even if you do. Lack of accuracy is never a feature, just a bug that you can apply tactics to mitigate the consequences of.
Pistol bullets tend to just make holes. An expanding bullet makes a bigger hole at the cost of penetration. You typically need impact speeds over 2200fps to get significant hydrostatic shock effects, like you get with high powered rifles. If you're not poking holes in the right place they wont die. I know of someone who took 6 shots of .44Mag to the abdomen and lived to tell the tale.
I have been in that position and let me tell you one thing I learned among several. The size of the opening that the bullets are coming out of is actually 6” in diameter. I should say appears to be that big. It’s definitely a shit your pants call on Jesus moment. Most people would freeze and die. To even have the wherewithal to run away is incredible. My instructor used to say something like - Don’t talk shit if you’ve never been on the toilet -
@@prepperjonpnw6482 Indeed. I've told people about that agent in my history classes (retired history professor), and what I'd have done in the same situation. It's the same thing "most people" would have done: wet my pants and run away or try to hide.
31:16 my father is an electrical engineer. One day he was checking on something when it exploded in an arc flash that cut through my fathers eye protection and cut his eyes. He survived and his eyes made full recovery. He had less than a second to react beforehand. He only survived because of his eye protection. A couple months later the company he works for gave a tutorial on how to deal with that scenario, and they pretty much called him an idiot who didn't know what he was doing. My father asked for a demonstration on the correct response and showed the man video of his incident. The man quickly realized there was absolutely nothing my dad did wrong and he had no time for any of the things they are supposed to do. It is easy to judge someones actions when you aren't that person.
I was once hiking with 3 people. We had beforehand agreed a million times that if we see a bear we will all stand together and shout. Eventually, we actually did see a bear literally 5 feet from us running across our path. It was pretty small and seemed scared of us and this whole interaction lasted for like a second cuz the bear ran across at light speed. In any case, what happened was, ALL 3 of these mfckers started running and I am just like standing there alone Their later excuse was that "well, you were the only one with a knife, we had no weapons"
Sounds like typical asshole boss with a cover your ass strategy. Point blame at the employee and your operation is never held accountable. Don't ever work for people or institutions who keep rules and regulations vague.
@Bob troof. And when you look at the intent of the protection categories you see that the cat 1 suit isn't intended to stop the arc flash entirely. They are expected to cut your risk of burns by 50%. Meaning, they still expect you will receive at least a 2nd degree burn. It's about mitigating some danger, not stopping it entirely. That's just one of the risks you accept when you work with dangerous things.
I've done the 1-hand 12 Guage "trick" - mostly because I had heard of the officer doing it. First time (I was about 20 or 21), @#$% nearly broke fingers. Tried again some years later, when I saw my Hwy Patrol Officer Uncle do it. More swearing, but I managed to empty the gun. Tried again when got prison job. Can pull it off, but I'll say this. The shotgun and that officer were both loaded with balls of steel. I'll buy him a drink at any bar and be proud to be allowed to drink beside him.
" yes I know their names I just choose not to say them " And if mainstream media would adopt that logic there would be fewer nut bags looking for vain glory
I just stumbled upon his videos and they're delivered so balanced and without any ego. I feel like if this man had received a different sort of training early on in life, he could have easily been a great teacher of any subject.
I came here right after the Wendigoon video about the Miami Dade shooting. Wendi fills in so much of the details of the leadup and timeframe of the shooting. However I'm here to re-watch the Paul video to get a more in depth look at the shooting part of the events. Great stuff all around!
Paul Harell: Speaks about his training and experiences in a very serious, expected ex-military tone. Also Paul Harell: Literally pats himself on the back as a joke. You sir are fantastic
"A failure of marksmanship..." "A .357 is useless...unless you hit what you're shooting at!" THIS is why I subscribed. That and your dry wit. I can't get enough.
He has a slight stammer or something similar to that. It's very rarely noticeable, and I dont think it detracts from his oratory skills, which are formidable.
He also has this bad habit of claiming he’s boring us and all his stories are too long. Each time he says that I wanted to grab him and say, “no, please elaborate.”
This video was my introduction to Paul Harrell. I was looking up info on the Miami shootout and the link to this video came up. I watched it once, then again, and I - like many of us - became a devoted viewer of Harrell and his work. His were the perfect blend of information and unbiased commentary, with a good amount of his (very dry) humor, plus his often asked question, "Is it enough of a difference to make a difference?" He will surely be missed.
Same here. This was my first Paul Harrell video and I immediately became a subscriber. His informative commentary and deadpan delivery was a very nice breath of fresh air compared to the many brash UA-camrs that I am used to watching. He will be sorely missed.
This is probably the most pissed sounding I've heard Mr. Harrel, ".357 Magnum is powerful, but I am steadfastly of the opinion that it is virtually useless unless you HIT what you're shooting at!"
I was a rookie at the time off the Miami Dade shooting. The main lesson I learned from it is that shit happens, an that all planning goes out the window when the first shot is fired. Wear you vest. Practice as much as you can prior to any violent encounter. Always kiss your wife goodbye when you leave for work. Get yourself right with God. Enjoy life, and do the best you can.
@@crosisofborg5524 referring to a past event in the same manner that other people, Paul Harrel for instance, refer to it in the present means that he’s larping? Wew Logic +100
I was going to say that, it’s really a welcome change from your typical UA-cam wannabe firearms expert. His looks and talking style reminds those nice well made documentaries from the 70s and early 80’s...when everything was made better.
Paul Harrell should be a household name. He provides indispensable, first-class expertise on gun history, theory and usage. Paul is as informative and engaging as any on-camera documentary host I've seen on any subject.
Mr. Harrell, as a military firearms instructor and a police officer for over 25 years, I just want to say thank you for your videos and watch (and learn) often. Please keep up the good fight.
I think his pauses between sentences aren't voluntary, but from our end they just sound more professional and like he's more confident in what he's saying
The Dunning-Kruger effect. The incompetent overrate their ability. The competent underestimate their ability. Paul is an ex-instructor, I'd say a pretty good one, his communication skills are excellent.
I wish I could speak as well and as compentent as Paul does. He great to listen too, and makes an almost 35 year police shooting that of something that a great storyteller would do, very interesting!
That "partial reload" also serves another function. If someone is counting, and counts off six rounds, and thinks you are "out".... If you suddenly come back almost immediately with two more shots, they now had to pause and wonder, _"Did you do a complete reload that fast? Are there four more after those? Do you have a second gun? Is there another shooter with you?..."_ It gives them pause on their decision to charge you while you reload. After all, you might have 4 more after those 2, or there might be someone else there with you. Given the option of having to take the time to do a complete reload, this seems like a wise tactic. It introduces confusion and doubt in your attacker.
@@islas357 Um, no? If you know someone’s shooting at you with a revolver and they shoot off all 6 shots, you’re gonna charge them. That’s how that cop got killed (the one who started the myth of the pocketing of the brass).
@@islas357 Perhaps, perhaps not - Some of us are "odd" - I have a compulsion to count gunshots - I'll hear the neighbors down the road shooting, and count their rounds. I don't remember the last time I was shooting and didn't know how many rounds I, or someone I was hunting with, fired. Like I said, for me, it's a compulsion - I can't *NOT* count the shots I hear, whether they're mine, or somebody half a mile away.
I began my law enforcement career in 1969 and retired in 1999. I spent many years as a firearms trainer. The Newhall incident and Miami-Dade had a major impact on our training. Your presentation and analysis is right on the money. Btw, when Newhall occurred, one of the first things we were told is that one officer put his empties in his pocket. We all did that. That procedure changed immediately. Well done.
We are judging by modern standards too where everyone and their brother haz an ar15 or 308 and 40 cals w 26 round mags and the entire country includint the police are militarised. This and the lapd gunfoght have convinced the country that we are in a war zone despite low crime and LEO being one of the safest jobs on the planet. I agree they were underarmed. But as he daid its easy to be accurate against paper...look at how he takes 2 seconds per shot... What teally happened here and in la is they went up against two aggressive paychopaths willing to die rather than be captured. You likely arent either. Giving you a 308 to fight back with with probably help.. But youre an actual human. None of these guys were. They were berserkers on their death day and all they wanted was lots lf dead cops and to be remembered
In law enforcement element of surprise is the best offense. In this case, The bad guys were arm with superior power and are aware of the tailgate pursuit. The FBI agent had two choice 1. To fight and suffer heavy casualty. 2. Retreat, radio for back up and set up for road blocks. I would like to mention two later event whereby, Retreat was used to prevent law enforcement casualty: A. ATF raids branch Davidian compound Waco, Texa----------Retreat superior power and casualty against ATF agents. B. Scot Peterson parkland school shooting ------some people say mr. Peterson was a coward, I disagreed. I call it a retreat a hand gun vs. AR-15
17:45 - Starts raining. Paul doesn't care. On with the teaching! I love it. This gentleman's delivery style is the absolute embodiment of "teaching." He doesn't preach, he doesn't shout, he doesn't brag. But when you walk away, you have LEARNED from him.
Also on the topic of marksmanship: Adrenaline and fear make it hard to see, hard to hear, and hard to aim. I watched an interview with a Green Beret, I think, who said he emptied his pistol in his first real firefight and never actually hit anything. And he had the high-speed training, not just target shooting. Like you said, it's easy to say anything, and much, much harder to be there yourself.
Agreed. It's weird how tunnel vision works. It's happened to me a couple times. Usually happens so fast you kind of don't really know what's happening until after the fact.
That is why I switched from autoloading rifles and pistols, to bolt actions and revolvers. While plinking at a friend's house in the woods, I noticed that I was shooting more and aiming less. And not shooting accurately. And if I wasn't aiming properly, I was wasting ammunition, which isn't cheap.
@@alienmorality There. Not the possessive form that you used (their). Do some service to that flag you have in your picture and show some respect to the language at the core of it. Unless your goal is to make Americans look like they don't care enough about their (possessive example #1) language, to even use it correctly. Also; I am willing to wager that nuclear warheads have some of the most complex and accurate guidance systems ever created by the human race. Trident 3's, Minutemen, SLBM's, cruise missile type, or guided bombs are all very, very accurate. Their (possessive example #2) ability to incinerate everything nearby a target, hardly means that accuracy isn't important. As anyone who has been shot at will tell you; accuracy is important to any weapon. From sticks and stones all the way up to nuclear weapons. It's also important in communicating. So please do Americans a favor and don't be the mutt that can't use the language of their (example #3) country correctly. If you don't care enough to do that, don't come off as the clown that thinks nuclear weapons aren't accurate. Some Americans have to protect your ability to think and speak however you choose, every single day and night, in other very un-friendly countries. You don't make it easy for any of us when you communicate like you did here.
As a retired LEO with thousands of rounds downrange and having been several use of deadly force incidents (incl. the terminal adjudication of one armed adversary), I can say this: you have hit the mark on all your points! Looking forward to watching all your videos!
Paul could tell that story better than any news story the media put out and be far more educational and entertaining. If I remember it was that shooting that made police agencies rethink their firearm selection as shotguns and pistols were not as effective on armored suspects who had automatic rifles. I could be wrong, but I think that was the turning point for agencies adopting the M4 platform and becoming more of a standard.
I was just a kid but I remember my dad watching it on the news and them saying the cops had to go grab fire arms from a local gun shop to be able to match theirs
Adam B - As far as I know, that is true. I heard it on the news after the event and I recall an interview with the owner of the gun shop. I think, though, that the weapons arrived too late to do the cops any good. I believe the bank robbers were already on the move and eventually one was engaged by SWAT. The other was engaged by officers but it is still uncertain whether he was killed by the cops or took his own life.
@@StutleyConstable they swear now he took his ,own life and the one on the front of the car got hit by SWAT team members in the legs and bled out because e.m.s were saving cops 1st as they should .
Poppin' Loch Ness Hopster honestly people like you who don’t actually re certify their own beliefs are why there is so much misinformation and just skewed information these days. You just simply don’t care about the truth. Maybe you are right and maybe he’s right but you don’t want to be wrong so you won’t spend like 4 mins to search it up. So you keep believing probably just your assumption or the first article you read(probably from mainstream media) and ran with it.
I’m sad as hell re-watching this. This was the video that introduced me to Paul’s channel. Hands down the best presentation on Miami dade I’ve seen to this day.
You are on point, informative, smart, well educated, humble and easy to listen person all at the same time! You have your own style and you don't try to copy anyone or look tacticool! I have never seen anything like you in youtube, you are so original! This channel will take off fast! Keep it up!
Paul, I'm retired L.E., and former Vietnam vet, and my opinion is that the suspects were simply more prepared than the FBI, simply they were behind in training. The FBI did not train appropriately for this scenario. Thanks for your videos.
As a culture the FBI needed to and did make many changes. Changes felt throughout multiple Law Enforcement levels. Complacency can be very detrimental.!!!
Platt and Matix were marine and ranger trained. The agents were outclassed. Actually I think the agents did as well as they could. If Matix had not been hit early on they potentially could have killed all the agents.
Who knows if it would have changed anything? Platt took a lot of hits and still functioned well enough to kill 2 agents. Matix was out of the fight very early. Grogan may have done better. Or not.
Your devotion to detail is amazing. Even pouring rain sitting on the ground shooting the shotgun with one hand. Thanks for this video. Very enlightening to see the actual story from someone who’s studied it
It’s Oregon. It only rains when you are driving at least 50mph. Any other time it’s just wet. Everything is wet. The air. The Sun. The trees. The clouds. Everything. Is. Wet. And then the sun comes out for three months straight and the world is beautiful. I loved it. You only have to turn the windshield wipers on when you are on the interstate. It never really rains. 😂
You frequently mention your speech impediment but I've watched most of your videos and have never noticed it. I don't think your disclaimer is necessary at all. I really enjoy your content, thanks.
One of most clearly understandable american I ever heard talking... I don´t either, what he is reffering to. An interesting, very knowledgeable, calm and nice guy in my opinion. I also like him for his parka. No bling bling or stuff for posing, just practical clothes, guns, ammonition and advices!
Some low foreheads cannot take apart his presentation on merit so they choose to attack from a personal level. He throws back at them later: "This is a family friendly video format, but if you're a grade schooler who has nothing better to do than make fun of someone, may I suggest something more in line with your age group, like Romper Room?" 😄
The agents who fired and didn't hit anything also allowed other agents time to get in positions of safety, so it could be dismissed as "bad marksmanship" but it could be classified as "suppressing fire" also creating confusion for the criminals who whilst certainly not out gunned may have thought they had more to deal with than they did.
@@Jacob-ge1py With a six-round revolver in particular (and no speed-loaders), suppressing fire isn't really something you can afford. I imagine the purpose of suppressing fire may have still been fulfilled through this shooting and in that sense it wasn't for nothing, however it was still a shortfall compared to, of course, rounds that actually hit their targets form the offset.
Ya idk if it would apply to revolvers. In modern war ya all the idiots complaining about soldiers not aim aiming or shooting a side of a building don't understand that you don't see your target like 90% of the time and the majority of shots fired do get fired in a general direction and not at a specific target.
While I agree that this may have been how the agents were thinking about it, in this particular case mini 14 guy was so aggressive that suppressing wasn't helpful. That doesn't mean the agents were wrong to try it. It's rare for someone to be as batshit as mini 14 guy.
Some people have asked about the whales. Well... "Bob" and I got in the Water while "Joe" stayed in the boat. We were using mask and snorkel and watching for the whales to come by. The whales changed direction and went around us never coming closer than about fifty yards. Very disappointing and anti climactic.
I'm impressed that you got in the water with a big carnivore like that in the first place. Me, I saw Jaws too many times as a little kid and the very thought makes my bladder want to give out...
Top 5 best guns for someone who's handicap and elderly, I.E, Low mobility, Reduced Strength, Budget issues, "Carry-ability" most handicap / elderly people can't EDC carry on their sides. I'm handicap with a brittle bone disease and would love to hear your thoughts.
Paul Harrell say what you want bout shoulda,woulda,coulda,,but if I would have been there I woulda pulled out my 9mm Witness 15+1 and kilt er body,,Damn,,,😎
Im a retired Sergeant from the NYPD Detective Bureau in Brooklyn North. This was an EXCELLENT analysis on your part brother!!. Having been to not just countless homicide crime scenes but Police shootings, this was the scariest shit I've ever seen. Unlike what people see in the movies, perpetrators don't stop shooting or committing their violent act until their heart actually stops. Unlike many Cowboys here who CLAIM what they would do in similar circumstances, I can't honestly say what I'd do after hitting these animals with rounds from my old 38 Ruger I originally (I switched to the 9mm when it was authorized)came on the job with, they kept coming after me. LOL this is what adult diapers are made for
one of my parents, who was a teacher, had a crazy story about one of his students father who was a bounty hunter. apparently on the way to a party the bounty hunter stopped by a house to serve someone or whatever. the guy who answered the door shot him in the head with a revolver. the bounty hunter fell down, instantly sprang up on his feet and by the time the cops arrived after the gun shot was called in they found the bounty hunter on top of the guy half beating him to death. fortunately the cops recognized him/his car from working with him so they pulled him off, then were like holy shit your head! apparently the shooter was scared shitless and basically asked to be arrested by that point. it's an old story from long ago I'm filling in the gaps with so I'm unsure of whether the bullet bounced off his skull or went in and out without killing him, but he was apparently a bald dude and he had a big ass scar right on his forehead. I'll always remember that story, combined with others because you just can't really predict what'll happen with a bullet considering all the variables in real life. But mostly I remember the story cuz remember how I mentioned the shooter being scared? and the party? it was a Halloween costume party, and bounty hunter had dressed up as Dracula. basically the tweaker who opened the door got served, shot dracula in the head WHO THEN IMMEDIATELY STOOD UP AGAIN TO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HIM. I'm guessing I might be able to do some digging, to see if this actually occured if was like documented in a newspaper. it would have been the 80s/90s in the PNW. such a good story though I'm fine with telling it as something I heard was true.
That pairing with that snubnose is unbelievable. I shot with a snubnose and came to the conclusion that if the target is not on me I will be better off trying to throw the gun at the target.
@@malancronje6805 Out of a snubby there is essentially no benefit whatsoever to .357 over 38 spl +P loads - especially in the 125 grain pills. All you're getting for the extra money is a lot more flash bangy and wrist snap and zero terminal effectiveness on the bad guy.
Probably the best analysis of the 1986 shooting I've seen. Sometimes I think people get too focused on their own narrative and fail to look at things from different angles. I see it all the time in the news when it comes to statistics.
Most people are too focused on their looks or how they are perceived, also how they fit in their community and how they can get the most views and attract sponsors. All this leads to is a boring lack of originality or depth. They copy each other and emulate the lowest common denominator. This makes Paul a total outlier.
Kabloosh Yes especially the statistics they try to skew to make it look like America needs more "gun control" instead of less, anybody who looks at the stats honestly can easily see that gun control is a problem, not an answer to a problem, but they try to twist it around all the time knowing that most people won't bother taking the time to look at the facts themselves
When I did my security training I was amazed at how good cover you could give yourself from even a lampost , if you stand just a bit back from it instead of hugging it like most people do .you can use it to your advantage . Every time I watch one of your videos I learn something new , love your work 👌 cheers from Australia
Fifth time in 4 years I've watched this video. My biggest lesson learned: I don't ever want to be in a firefight ... unless I have Paul Harrell in my ankle holster.
@@markmudgett7579 WAY LATE response from me but I know about the campfire one what was the other one? I know he got shot at by locals at some land one time but since you said two-way fire I’m guessing it’s another time?
I want us all to appreciate how well spoken Paul was. No jump cuts after every sentence, no edits from multiple takes, just one well thought out and cohesive monologue that makes you listen. RIP ❤
I know you're joking but I feel like you missed out on part of what Mr. Harrell was trying to teach us. That you shouldn't try to oversimplify these events. It wasn't just that the agent lost his glasses it was that he didn't plan ahead and think that his glasses might get knocked off in the kerfuffle and take adequate precautions. And a high calibre might have helped, but your point 3 should disregard the need for high capacity. I'm not saying a rifle with a lot of ammo wouldn't still be useful but that ultimately there is a lot of nuance that can't necessarily be broken down into black and white points of fact.
Part of the "lack of preparation" is underestimating their opponents. Both (suspect) shooters had military training and backgrounds and continued the fight even after severe wounding.
@betatalk357 That;s why most officers have a patrol rifle and / or shotgun now. That didn't happen until at least the late 90's though. marksmanship > all else though
Very good point about "woulda, Shoulda". I had a coworker, a very good guy who had extensive experience playing airsoft games in college. He talked about great games in which he had both won and lost due to mistakes; i.e. he wasn't too proud to admit that sometimes he screwed up. He did say that he'd never fired any real firearms before. I an some of my friends took him to a range day and let him fire revolvers and semiauto pistols in various calibers and an AR. He came away with an entirely different view of his airsoft experiences; especially as regards noise and recoil of a firearm. The point is that gaining experience reveals insights he wasn't really expecting.
Very good presentation. As a retired federal law enforcement firearms instructor and defensive tactics trainer I had a keen interest in the Miami-Dade shootout. I even had an opportunity to go to the physical location where the shootout took place. I give kudos to the agents for doing what they knew at the time to do, although your comments about preparation ring true. Even some of my better "paper" shooters had problems when I put shirts onto 3D targets. Adding stress like yelling at them or causing malfunction type drills under pressure could turn a great "paper" shooter into a less than average shooter. Only rounds on target count. If you're slower than the guy next to you, you're "dead". Miami-Dade definitely changed the dierction of law enforcement firearms training. Getting my shooters into the correct mindset was a challenge unto itself, as most of them were more concerned with pinpoint accuracy than leathal hits in a timely manner. The psychological effect of the bang of the mini-forteen compared to the pops from the handguns was also a real thing. The North Hollywood shootout was another incredible episode. Interesting stuff. Stay safe, my Friend!
Me too brother. And well said. I even had trouble motivating police and military trainees ... sheesh ... the "It won't ever happen to me" syndrome. But then, I'm not in the US ......
There was a shootout similar to this in Medina, ND in 1983. I'd like to know if the documentation and scrutiny were similar to the Miami-Dade event or more like the Newhall. Was there anything to learn from it today that the other two don't already teach us? ua-cam.com/video/LSR8YG5lxXI/v-deo.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Kahl#Shootout_near_Medina,_North_Dakota
Damn ...lol I'm about to delete my comment up there after reading this. You hit the point of the psychological effect of the difference in firearms much much better than I was trying to get across .
Never understood what was to point of deliberately hiding the identity of criminals. Is the world not ready to see their faces? Is humanity treated like 5 yrs old child ?
I'm more in favor of withholding the identities of mass shooters in particular. They absolutely do it for attention. Leaving manifestos and the like behind. The media turns every one into a celebrity and this encourages others who are thinking of doing the same.
I just came here because of a comment on a new Wendigoon vid. If Milkshake Anon is subbed to and even commenting on the same story with even more history and accurate analysis then we've come full circle. Ty Wendigoon fan for helping add to a story I've gone over so many times as a kid to now after watching the movie 'heat' and seeing the 'fake' most realistic shootout of the century then seeing this on FX as a teen after this went straight to DVD.
You are probably the most calculated and intelligent person I have ever heard talk about a subject like this. You have definitely earned a loyal Sub from me
The iconic 3 are Newhall, Miami-Dade and North Hollywood. If you can add mil/contractors stuff James Yeager's convoy incident is probably a good one to look at.
@@jediknight1294 this. Also I think the more recent Dallas shooter should be studied more. The one where the bad guy sliced the pie hard on one cop and they had to call in the RCXD kill streak to take him down
Agree, and Paul seems to base his views of Reality and backs up his views with reasons. Very little, B/C I Say So. But I think I would disregard whatever Paul says at my peril.
Charles H Geis IV that's very apparent and well known. It still stands to reason though that Paul doing a North Hollywood bank robbery breakdown would be very interesting.
Whenever I watch the television film from 1988 "In The Line of Duty: The FBI Murders", I always come here afterwards to watch this video. It's the perfect way to smooth out the story, and learn more about the details. Educational.
I had the opportunity to talk one on one with Gordon McNeil from this shootout. We were attending a homicide conference in Galveston, where I was a police officer, and were at an after conference crawfish boil. He and I happened to sit at a table alone and were able to talk about this event for about 30-40 minutes. He was not at all hesitant to talk in detail about the engagement. It was fascinating and I really appreciated the opportunity.
@@Li8eralsarescum69 Even worse when theirs gun powder, dust and whatever hitting that contact that then gets stuck and harder to see or can ever fall out which you won't ever find, Lasik Surgery would be the better option overall just cost more.
Watching this on 10/04/2020. At the 24:56 mark "This is what he saw", an ad for the new Borat movie started. I was confused for a couple seconds. Strange timing. Thanks Mr. Harrell for this analysis and all your other videos. Your knowledge and wisdom have real world applications and your dry humor always lifts my mood.
Also, the shooters that day were both very well trained former military, one was even a Ranger. that is serious training with far better ingrained marksmanship skills. So the FBI may have been a bit out classed, that said, they performed valiantly and with honor. My hat is off to them.
@@humorss also scary to consider that some "gangbangers"...people that most consider to be uneducated and with no training or rules...have actually been in the military and received formal marksmanship training with various types of weapons. When unsuspecting local police approach a situation they don't always know what they're getting into and it has killed many...
Maybe the FBI shoot hire more people with certain military backgrounds. And not make them part of a swat team. Just have them as part of the regular agents. Say 20% of all agents at large be former Rangers, Spec Ops etc. and have their vehicles equipped with more serious weapons and gear. So that every time 5 or more agents are together at least one of them is a highly trained badass. Death from above baby
Scott Eger at the sheriffs office I work at, a majorly of our guys are former military with combat experience from the Middle East. Some of them are still reserves or national guard. We even have one I know of was a Vietnam veteran who was a green beret, he retired twice and only works transport now. Our agency was smart enough to use these guys to train a lot of the new guys.
As a fellow veteran, I have truly been enjoying these videos and only wish I had found them sooner. It is refreshing to hear some intelligent reasoning instead of simply "what this bullet did is cool wow." I realize this is an old video but please keep them coming.
Respectable how he compensates for gun battle stress by increasing the distance my a huge amount. This guy knows how to train and evaluate the firefight. Subbed, thanks for the down low on the situation.
This is the first time I have watched this channel. What a pleasure it is to see a video that explains the situation very clearly, acknowledges differing points of view, and makes logical conclusions based on the evidence. Well done.
Well its not perfect but what is right but you can tell when someone puts time effort and a little something called editing into a project as we can clearly see here.
I kept seeing this pop up in my feed and I had no idea as to what the 86 Miami Dade shooting. I actually had to search for it and watch the FBI Files about it. You are a true treasure sir. Thank you for not listening to the arm chair QBs. Your analogy is spot on. They are all talk!
I think your analysis is spot on. I've read a lot about this 1986 shootout in Miami and I agree. A lack of preparation, poor marksmanship, and other factors. And to your point, no one can judge what how anyone will react in a real life shootout where decisions must be made in seconds. Great video! In the end it's extremely tragic we lost two FBI agents.
i just discovered paul today. I have a feeling im in for a real treat. gonna make a short playlist and go to sleep listening to the man, maybe meet him in my dreams. RIP, but youve gained a fan none-the-less. ❤
I dont think you would.... Paul would probably make you see red when he talked about Janet Reno and the ATF using poison gas (outlawed by the Geneva convention-- as it killed the children). ATF should be the name of a gun shop, NOT a government agency.
@@jackdundon2261 I don't doubt it would make me angry, but I don't avoid learning about things that make me angry. It's important we don't stick our heads in the sand to shut out what we don't want to hear.
@@0megamanX RIGHT now the us marshals should be arresting the governor of Virgina and charging him with high treason for openly violating the USA constitution... but, not happening. That should tick you off too.
@Black Pill to be honest you dont know what your talking about... they used a gas that had to be PUMPED in, they drove the Bradley's up next to the compound. And pumped this crap in. (I dont k oz dhe name it's some really long complex name) I DO remember it killed the children, plugged the gas masks etc. And it was outlawed for use in warfare and the American godlcernemnt used it on innocent children. If that doesnt piss you off, you dont have a soul. (Its common knowledge tear gas canisters are red hot and stat fires) this crap they used was NOT tear gas. -- though I am sure they used that too. Waco Texas was a federal government doing extream overreach. not good or bad law enforcement. Read the book "the ashes of Waco", 30 years later it's still a major injustice.
Theres no excuse for the glasses getting lost. I was a paratrooper with glasses, and that was kind of a priority. Carry an extra pair and make sure those things have a strap.
@Robert Slackware as an 'archer' i was door jumper on my first jump. Ill never forget that one. I landed with my feet apart.... and it hurt like hell. I remember limping back to the rally point, realizing that id just learned an important lesson in PLFing.
Caleb Moore ... Your Dad is right. Eisenhower has a quote attributed to him that goes something like, “All plans are useless, but the act of planning is invaluable.” His point is that your plan became obsolete as soon as you finished because of changing facts on the ground. BUT, the effort, thought, research that you put into that plan will enable you (with forethought) to adapt to changing conditions. I fully subscribe to this view.
Patrick Kenyon One of my martial arts instructors had/has a pretty good saying that goes: "Practice does NOT make perfect. Practice makes *permanent*."
Paul, this is a masterful illustration of the events as they took place to the best of the knowledge we have. All your points are valid and reasonable. I've always argued that the FBI blamed the types of guns/calibers the agents used, instead of faulting the tactics and marksmanship. For instance, many cite the FBI Miami shootout as to why they will not use 9mm. Your closing statement about keyboard warriors is 100% spot on, *extremely* easy to critique life or death situations like this in hindsight having not been there in person getting shot at. Thank you for the amazing content and the intelligent assessment behind the events. And from one Veteran to another, Thank You for your service.
all agents so qualified, should be allowed to draw a rifle or SMG if their duties of the day may require it. i am saying tey should have had the option. and i hope nowdays they do have the option
Miami Vice seems to me that they were not prepared. They knew they were well armed. Why they didn't take more Body Armor and Shotguns at least is beyond me.
"It's easy to critique in leisure what a person had to do in haste", I like that. It's a good life lesson that everybody needs to take to heart, not just the armchair/keyboard commandos.
I wonder what Mr. Harrell thought when he heard President Trump criticize the Florida high school deputy & say he would have ran into the school even without a weapon to confront the gunman.
MARSOC Airman i'd like to see you try. I've never been in a shooting incident, but I train wrestling and boxing (not competition level) and when things get tough your brain tends to haywire and you can't think straight except to SURVIVE. If you're willing to risk your life by going inside a building, then good for you. Take into account as well what the killers might do if you do go inside the building and what that action of yours can do to their mindset. They might even start killing more people and do crazier things due to panic and adrenaline because of that simple action of going inside the building. Like Paul said and i'll say it differently, it's easy to judge or throw out an opinion when you've never been in that kind of situation.
Justin thats a stupid argument. the police officers were supposed to be trained professionals and it is their DUTY to risk their lives to save innocents. Imagine a fireman who refuse to enter a burning building to do his damn duty just because his "brain got haywired". Well either he was badly trained or he was a coward simple as that. Also by giving the excuse of what if the killers might do something crazier if they went inside the building is also plain stupid. If i use that logic police officers WILL NEVER NEED TO EVER ENTER A DANGEROUS SITUATION. your excuse gives them the perfect excuse to NOT DO ANYTHING. The correct and logical thing was to assess the situation with the facts at that time and the facts were the killer was ALREADY SHOOTING at people, the killer wasnt thinking about killing he WAS KILLING. so how do you deal with a ACTIVE SHOOTER? YOU SHOOT HIM DEAD. Simple common sense.
a a Shoot him dead? Then if you know how it's done then tell me your plan from reaching point a (the police) to point b (the shooter) without risking more lives? Following the procedures? Have you ever been at gun point or an active shooting? It haywires the brain no matter if you are a trained vet or not. Go join the military or the police force and let me know if your mind changes. Like paul said and I will say to you, it is easy to judge something if you yourself haven't been in that situation. You just can't say kill the shooter that's it. If you don't have a plan on how to get to the shooter and what to do, then your argument is all down the drain. Trained proffesionals and people in duty are not as rock hard as you may think. They get scared. Like you will if you are at gun point or your life is at risk. It's their job, yes, but fear can take over. Stop being naive.
This is one of the most genuinely interesting analyses I've seen in ages, not just as a breakdown of the specific incidents but as a lesson in how fixation on isolated, de-contextualized points of data can drive policy or doctrine on a vast scale.
There is a lot of debate as to whether the FBI agents revolvers were really loaded with .357 magnum ammo. First, it doesn't really matter. Secondly, when I attended the FBI seminar and viewed their training videos they consistently referred to .357 magnum. "he was shot with a .357 magnum" and so on. In a recorded interview, one of the agents referred to his revolver as, "My magnum."
As I have mentioned many times, sources don't always agree with each other.
As you said, unless you hit what you’re shooting at a .357 is virtually useless.
Dear Paul,
In this video you explain that the 1986 Miami Dade shootout should be at the top of the list of many other shootouts to read and learn about [2:03].
Would it be to much asking if you could analyse in detail another important shootout event with your boring long talks, dramatic Shatner pauses and your inevitable return to the dawn of time?
You may not like it yourself, but by God I know I'm one of the absolute majority who likes it.
Please, please, please.
P.S: please stay safe in these tricky times.
Very good. I lived in Miami when this went down and there was no end the armchair commandos on construction sites giving their take on this event. I had gone shooting along some of those same canals. In the end your analysis is spot on. In the words of Clint Smith "Only hits count. You can't miss fast enough to catch up."
@@houssamassila6274 or maybe what to do if a 'Red Dawn' movie type war starts. Or maybe cival war. Or just crazy times and at worst, with people having to actively arm themselves, what to do?
@@fbomb2077 if you watch Paul closely, all his videos are all about how to handle your weapons responsibly and efficiently for all kinds of needs, from self defense to hunting. Those are operational videos.
What I am asking for, is rather more analytical, more academic and more directed towards the theoretical understanding of shootout situations. Because in those, one can enlarge their awareness out of a panicked tunnel vision that happens to the best of us in crucial moments.
As for civil war or Red Dawn (whatever that means) if you use common sense, know your weapons and how to use them responsibly and efficiently and as long as you're not dunski you should be fine. And there will not be any civil war in America don't worry.
Who else is here just reminiscing? RIP Paul
Yep
I never knew Paul until after he died. I’m here playing catch up and paying respects
Before he retired, my supervisor I'd always chat with brought up this video and we had a nice 30-60 minute convo about Paul
Jup same here, his way of talking is something i just cant get enough of
This has to be the third or fourth time I've watched this analysis over the years First time since Paul's passing. This time I'm watching to visit with Paul.
"It is very easy to judge in leisure what people have had to do in haste...." Very wise words
Dave Boothney I’ve always found it hard to second guess the man on the spot. Decisions that have to be made in split seconds are easy to criticize when you have days to analyze them, but that may not really be valid criticism at all.
People complain that the police are too quick to shoot. With as many officers are there are getting shot these days, maybe they aren’t shooting quickly enough. It’s easy enough to talk about tasers, beanbags, shooting to wound, etc. when you weren’t there being shot at.
Agreed !
I can show you a video which of course is an extreme exception of how officers really act when it comes about to a shooting, but that officer killed a scared unarmed guy laying on the ground, that officer should have get atleast dropped out of his police job and of course many others who can not control their emotions because of fear.
Being a police officer in america is too easy.
"Extreme exceptions" will occur - its part of life unpredictability - so what is the point of raining it other than fascination or entertainment?
yeah its a great quote. ive been in a few bad situations and gotten flack for it later. its like hey man take away all your time to think and see how well ya do
“It’s very easy to critique in leisure what others had to do in haste.”
Gold right there.
The formal name for this phenomenon is "the historian's fallacy."
That's the second time I've read that in this comment section.
Edit: 5th
@@badcornflakes6374 How did it go from the second to the 5th just because you read it more times? it stays the second, lmao.
Like Eric and Dylan
@@apugalypse_now
Indeed. I'm a historian myself (retired history professor), and although it doesn't happen as often as is commonly believed, too many historians critique the actions of people who had to make very quick decisions (said decision based on limited information) while studying an incident in history. The saying, however, comes from a misinterpretation of what some historians do: conjecture about what might have happened had the individual in question made a *different* decision?
My favorite part of this incident Paul actually covered. The "agent who ran away." What would *I* have done? I'll tell you: I'd have wet my pants and ran away. I know it's kind of humorous, but it's the basic truth. I've been shot at only once in my 70 years (never served in the military), and it scared the daylights out of me. At that range, I'd have felt like I'd cheated death and was lucky to be alive. The incident that I was shot at was a hunting accident, where a fellow hunter mistook me for deer in the brush.
Coming back to my favorite Paul Harrell video after the sad news today. We will miss your Shatner-esque pauses, disclaimers, caveats, yabbits, and opinions.
Thank you Paul!
Same for me. It was what I immediately thought of. I miss Paul already.
Same here brother...
Came for the pauses, stayed for the yabbits.
I was going to say the same
In case anyone is wondering, that’s how he always talked. Not just a UA-cam acting bit.
WOW Ben. Rip brother.
"The 357 magnum is a powerful weapon, but I'm steadfast of the opinion that it is virtually useless unless you are capable of hitting what you're shooting at."
According to Wiki, all of the 357 magnums were shooting .38 special +P, which is about as powerful as the 9mm. When they later went to the 10mm, most people could not handle the extra recoil.
Like my Grandma always says, “A shot that doesn’t hit, can’t hurt.”
I always found it funny that they complained about .45 Auto for its recoil and then decided to try something significantly worse in that regard lol.
@Legend Of Cretacia It's important to note though that suppressive fire isn't supposed to miss, but is meant to be effective even if you do. Lack of accuracy is never a feature, just a bug that you can apply tactics to mitigate the consequences of.
Pistol bullets tend to just make holes. An expanding bullet makes a bigger hole at the cost of penetration. You typically need impact speeds over 2200fps to get significant hydrostatic shock effects, like you get with high powered rifles. If you're not poking holes in the right place they wont die. I know of someone who took 6 shots of .44Mag to the abdomen and lived to tell the tale.
Wow... That "this is what he saw" demonstration was the best 3 second example of "shut up and stop judging from your armchair" I have ever seen.
No kidding. Damn good rebuttal.
I have been in that position and let me tell you one thing I learned among several. The size of the opening that the bullets are coming out of is actually 6” in diameter. I should say appears to be that big. It’s definitely a shit your pants call on Jesus moment. Most people would freeze and die. To even have the wherewithal to run away is incredible.
My instructor used to say something like - Don’t talk shit if you’ve never been on the toilet -
@@prepperjonpnw6482
Indeed. I've told people about that agent in my history classes (retired history professor), and what I'd have done in the same situation. It's the same thing "most people" would have done: wet my pants and run away or try to hide.
yup. Bodycam footage is pretty nuts. (Not this but other shootings)
That one actually made me catch my breath and pucker up tight. I darned near got my chair all the way inside by the time he had finished shooting.
31:16 my father is an electrical engineer. One day he was checking on something when it exploded in an arc flash that cut through my fathers eye protection and cut his eyes. He survived and his eyes made full recovery. He had less than a second to react beforehand. He only survived because of his eye protection. A couple months later the company he works for gave a tutorial on how to deal with that scenario, and they pretty much called him an idiot who didn't know what he was doing. My father asked for a demonstration on the correct response and showed the man video of his incident. The man quickly realized there was absolutely nothing my dad did wrong and he had no time for any of the things they are supposed to do. It is easy to judge someones actions when you aren't that person.
I was once hiking with 3 people. We had beforehand agreed a million times that if we see a bear we will all stand together and shout. Eventually, we actually did see a bear literally 5 feet from us running across our path. It was pretty small and seemed scared of us and this whole interaction lasted for like a second cuz the bear ran across at light speed. In any case, what happened was, ALL 3 of these mfckers started running and I am just like standing there alone
Their later excuse was that "well, you were the only one with a knife, we had no weapons"
@@artyomarty391 first thing I thought of ua-cam.com/video/LROHUiasQTQ/v-deo.html
@betatalk357 The bear might go for the fastest person in the bunch because he's probably the youngest with the most tender meat 😜
Sounds like typical asshole boss with a cover your ass strategy. Point blame at the employee and your operation is never held accountable. Don't ever work for people or institutions who keep rules and regulations vague.
@Bob troof. And when you look at the intent of the protection categories you see that the cat 1 suit isn't intended to stop the arc flash entirely. They are expected to cut your risk of burns by 50%. Meaning, they still expect you will receive at least a 2nd degree burn. It's about mitigating some danger, not stopping it entirely.
That's just one of the risks you accept when you work with dangerous things.
RIP Paul, your knowledge will be greatly missed.
That's probably the first video of Paul I watched (and 7 years ago seems about right, too !), wanted to comment/pay respect there also.
I have no doubt that this man has researched this event to the the point that he actually *knows* that a nerd strap cost fifty nine cents in 1986.
I was wondering if the price was correct for the time.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 2 years later u made somebody laugh with ur comment hahah. And i bet u he did!
Made couple people a couple years later
Has anyone else added "nerd straps" to their eye wear since watching this or am I the only one?
@@1978garfield Nerd!
"I know their names, I just choose not to same them." mans is officially better than every single major media source
*say
@@shetto dick
@@SludgeManCometh who woulda known 3 letters can make someone so butt tickled 🤣
This pile of shit my dog just took is better then every single major media source
@@Steppa_61 I’m no snitch but, it was this man right here, officer. @FBI
Rest in peace Paul. This is the video that led me to the discovery of your channel. Paying my respects by giving it another watch.
Same here rest is peace brother
Likewise, from one Paul to another...
Rest in peace brother.
I think this how I found Paul's channel
Something about shooting a shotgun one handed like that really let's you grasp the desperation and severity of the shooting. Absolutely chilling.
That officer is tough as nails
Yeah, I can barely manage a shotgun with both hands. No way I could do that with one hand.
Not if it's a .410
@@wizardofahhhs759 but it wasn’t. It was a 12. With heavy recoiling cartridges!
I've done the 1-hand 12 Guage "trick" - mostly because I had heard of the officer doing it. First time (I was about 20 or 21), @#$% nearly broke fingers. Tried again some years later, when I saw my Hwy Patrol Officer Uncle do it. More swearing, but I managed to empty the gun. Tried again when got prison job. Can pull it off, but I'll say this. The shotgun and that officer were both loaded with balls of steel. I'll buy him a drink at any bar and be proud to be allowed to drink beside him.
" yes I know their names I just choose not to say them "
And if mainstream media would adopt that logic there would be fewer nut bags looking for vain glory
Justin Grant that is what the media live for.
@@curtcmiller ye it is a shame
Many of those "nut bags" are figments of the media's imagination.
William Mattix, Michael Platt
You would still have assholes running around screaming witness me.
Who else has listened to this 5 times?
I just stumbled upon his videos and they're delivered so balanced and without any ego. I feel like if this man had received a different sort of training early on in life, he could have easily been a great teacher of any subject.
second time now
On number six.
I'm skimming through . . .
I'm on my second listen. It's far from my last.
I came here right after the Wendigoon video about the Miami Dade shooting. Wendi fills in so much of the details of the leadup and timeframe of the shooting. However I'm here to re-watch the Paul video to get a more in depth look at the shooting part of the events. Great stuff all around!
Yeah same here
Same
The wendigoon+paul harrell double feature
Glad I'm not alone, information these two guys share is worth it's weight in gold.
Paul Harell: Speaks about his training and experiences in a very serious, expected ex-military tone.
Also Paul Harell: Literally pats himself on the back as a joke.
You sir are fantastic
Paul Harell is a serious man who is confident enough to not take himself too seriously.
Chris Mallory He is just a great guy
That was no joke
i though he did it to seems less like a bragging turd, which was very effective and made me like him more (this is his first video i watch)
And also killed a man
"A failure of marksmanship..." "A .357 is useless...unless you hit what you're shooting at!" THIS is why I subscribed. That and your dry wit. I can't get enough.
Mike Hanks Paul makes this quarantine bearable
tjp5295 I’ve been binging his channel and I love it.
Glad Harrell was able to clear up your confusion over whether it is important or not to hit what you are shooting at.
@James Harding amen brother...
That's why I don't use .357 magnum. I'm only an average pistol shot.
I don't understand claiming you have any annoying speech patterns, I think you are one of the best speakers on youtube.
Yeah I dont know what it is about this guy but I love his videos.
Hear hear... he is very easy to listen to..... knows his stuff too....
He has a slight stammer or something similar to that. It's very rarely noticeable, and I dont think it detracts from his oratory skills, which are formidable.
When everyone else is always shouting or using outdoor voices on UA-cam, it's refreshing to hear someone just speaking.
He also has this bad habit of claiming he’s boring us and all his stories are too long. Each time he says that I wanted to grab him and say, “no, please elaborate.”
This video was my introduction to Paul Harrell. I was looking up info on the Miami shootout and the link to this video came up. I watched it once, then again, and I - like many of us - became a devoted viewer of Harrell and his work.
His were the perfect blend of information and unbiased commentary, with a good amount of his (very dry) humor, plus his often asked question, "Is it enough of a difference to make a difference?"
He will surely be missed.
Same here. This was my first Paul Harrell video and I immediately became a subscriber. His informative commentary and deadpan delivery was a very nice breath of fresh air compared to the many brash UA-camrs that I am used to watching. He will be sorely missed.
"His are"
Same
Same. Thanks for sharing broski
This is probably the most pissed sounding I've heard Mr. Harrel, ".357 Magnum is powerful, but I am steadfastly of the opinion that it is virtually useless unless you HIT what you're shooting at!"
I was thinking the very same thing. I was also thinking that I would prefer shooting someone with a .22 than miss that someone with a .357 Magnum.
The guys in the shootout were using .38 special +p in there .357s from what I’ve read
22:15 everyone
We had piss poor prepared agents.
You needed a few actual police officers.
Talk to guys who carried the .357 . There were lots of nail drivers in the ranks.
It wasn’t the firearms it was the people holding them..
I was a rookie at the time off the Miami Dade shooting. The main lesson I learned from it is that shit happens, an that all planning goes out the window when the first shot is fired. Wear you vest. Practice as much as you can prior to any violent encounter. Always kiss your wife goodbye when you leave for work. Get yourself right with God. Enjoy life, and do the best you can.
Well said, hope you're doing well.
Hmmm since you called it Miami dade I’m going to call you out. That name didn’t exist.
@@crosisofborg5524 Miami-Dade County is a county within the city of Miami Florida
@@crosisofborg5524 referring to a past event in the same manner that other people, Paul Harrel for instance, refer to it in the present means that he’s larping? Wew Logic +100
@@crosisofborg5524 Checking back 2 weeks later to see if you're still an idiot
There's something really uplifting about listening to an intelligent person share their expertise.
Totally! it’s almost soothing haha you’re actually learning something with someone who you can see as a walking google haha
I was going to say that, it’s really a welcome change from your typical UA-cam wannabe firearms expert. His looks and talking style reminds those nice well made documentaries from the 70s and early 80’s...when everything was made better.
Paul Harrell should be a household name. He provides indispensable, first-class expertise on gun history, theory and usage. Paul is as informative and engaging as any on-camera documentary host I've seen on any subject.
And not being an alpha male, cocky douche about it.
@@nazimL1011dude, thats very acurate! I was thinking there were something familiar in his style, and you find the point
R.I.P. Paul - I am still, and will continue to watch your videos. Thank you for all you've done!
Mr. Harrell, as a military firearms instructor and a police officer for over 25 years, I just want to say thank you for your videos and watch (and learn) often. Please keep up the good fight.
SKINWALKER
Paul Harrell, please keep up your great work
Best comment I've heard from a police officer was "Lawyers have weeks to go over actions we have seconds to perform".
>apologising for speech
>one of the best speakers on UA-cam
I-uh. . . huh?
I think his pauses between sentences aren't voluntary, but from our end they just sound more professional and like he's more confident in what he's saying
I think that he's a fantastic speaker!
The Dunning-Kruger effect.
The incompetent overrate their ability.
The competent underestimate their ability.
Paul is an ex-instructor, I'd say a pretty good one, his communication skills are excellent.
I wish I could speak as well and as compentent as Paul does. He great to listen too, and makes an almost 35 year police shooting that of something that a great storyteller would do, very interesting!
That's what happens when you grow up with less technology and you get more experience by talking to real people.
That "partial reload" also serves another function. If someone is counting, and counts off six rounds, and thinks you are "out".... If you suddenly come back almost immediately with two more shots, they now had to pause and wonder, _"Did you do a complete reload that fast? Are there four more after those? Do you have a second gun? Is there another shooter with you?..."_ It gives them pause on their decision to charge you while you reload. After all, you might have 4 more after those 2, or there might be someone else there with you. Given the option of having to take the time to do a complete reload, this seems like a wise tactic. It introduces confusion and doubt in your attacker.
Only in movies are people counting the round’s you’re shooting at them.
@@islas357 Um, no? If you know someone’s shooting at you with a revolver and they shoot off all 6 shots, you’re gonna charge them. That’s how that cop got killed (the one who started the myth of the pocketing of the brass).
@@islas357 By Paul's own word he has counted rounds in every lethal encounter he has ever been in
yea no one counts go take a class with thunder ranch or james yeager and learn @@islas357
@@islas357 Perhaps, perhaps not - Some of us are "odd" - I have a compulsion to count gunshots - I'll hear the neighbors down the road shooting, and count their rounds. I don't remember the last time I was shooting and didn't know how many rounds I, or someone I was hunting with, fired. Like I said, for me, it's a compulsion - I can't *NOT* count the shots I hear, whether they're mine, or somebody half a mile away.
I began my law enforcement career in 1969 and retired in 1999. I spent many years as a firearms trainer. The Newhall incident and Miami-Dade had a major impact on our training. Your presentation and analysis is right on the money. Btw, when Newhall occurred, one of the first things we were told is that one officer put his empties in his pocket. We all did that. That procedure changed immediately. Well done.
What's the issue with that? Grabbing empty brass when needing to reload?
@Roderick storey
Makes sense. Thanks.
@Roderick storey idk why he catches it In the first place. Let it fall free from the cylinder.
As a retired LEO I’ve studied the FBI Miami Dade shooting over the years. I would say you have a very accurate assessment of what went wrong.
We are judging by modern standards too where everyone and their brother haz an ar15 or 308 and 40 cals w 26 round mags and the entire country includint the police are militarised. This and the lapd gunfoght have convinced the country that we are in a war zone despite low crime and LEO being one of the safest jobs on the planet. I agree they were underarmed. But as he daid its easy to be accurate against paper...look at how he takes 2 seconds per shot... What teally happened here and in la is they went up against two aggressive paychopaths willing to die rather than be captured. You likely arent either. Giving you a 308 to fight back with with probably help.. But youre an actual human. None of these guys were. They were berserkers on their death day and all they wanted was lots lf dead cops and to be remembered
Whats a LEO?
@@jeffshackelford539 Law enforcement officer
In law enforcement element of surprise is the best offense. In this case, The bad guys were arm with superior power and are aware of the tailgate pursuit.
The FBI agent had two choice 1. To fight and suffer heavy casualty. 2. Retreat, radio for back up and set up for road blocks.
I would like to mention two later event whereby, Retreat was used to prevent law enforcement casualty:
A. ATF raids branch Davidian compound Waco, Texa----------Retreat superior power and casualty against ATF agents.
B. Scot Peterson parkland school shooting ------some people say mr. Peterson was a coward, I disagreed. I call it a retreat a hand gun vs. AR-15
@@mr2010GM Retreat is not an option in a mass shooting. Law enforcement is trained to engage as the first responder.
17:45 - Starts raining. Paul doesn't care. On with the teaching! I love it. This gentleman's delivery style is the absolute embodiment of "teaching." He doesn't preach, he doesn't shout, he doesn't brag. But when you walk away, you have LEARNED from him.
I heard that the USMC Sniper School have a saying:- 'If it ain't raining, it ain't training ...'
As we say in the Army, "If it ain't rainin' we ain't trainin'!"
@@nigelft I was just about to comment...
Honestly, he’s as clear, concise, and similar in style to Rod Serling. Good stuff
can not ever walk away., its blood of good.,teaching of Paul redemption and truth., sincerely yours sir
Also on the topic of marksmanship: Adrenaline and fear make it hard to see, hard to hear, and hard to aim. I watched an interview with a Green Beret, I think, who said he emptied his pistol in his first real firefight and never actually hit anything. And he had the high-speed training, not just target shooting.
Like you said, it's easy to say anything, and much, much harder to be there yourself.
Agreed.
It's weird how tunnel vision works. It's happened to me a couple times. Usually happens so fast you kind of don't really know what's happening until after the fact.
I miss shots in video games because of panic
"There is no replacement for shot placement" - Paul Harrell
Paul should sell t-shirts with that on it.
That is why I switched from autoloading rifles and pistols, to bolt actions and revolvers. While plinking at a friend's house in the woods, I noticed that I was shooting more and
aiming less. And not shooting accurately. And if I wasn't aiming properly, I was wasting ammunition, which isn't cheap.
@@alienmorality There. Not the possessive form that you used (their).
Do some service to that flag you have in your picture and show some respect to the language at the core of it. Unless your goal is to make Americans look like they don't care enough about their (possessive example #1) language, to even use it correctly.
Also; I am willing to wager that nuclear warheads have some of the most complex and accurate guidance systems ever created by the human race. Trident 3's, Minutemen, SLBM's, cruise missile type, or guided bombs are all very, very accurate.
Their (possessive example #2) ability to incinerate everything nearby a target, hardly means that accuracy isn't important. As anyone who has been shot at will tell you; accuracy is important to any weapon. From sticks and stones all the way up to nuclear weapons.
It's also important in communicating. So please do Americans a favor and don't be the mutt that can't use the language of their (example #3) country correctly. If you don't care enough to do that, don't come off as the clown that thinks nuclear weapons aren't accurate.
Some Americans have to protect your ability to think and speak however you choose, every single day and night, in other very un-friendly countries. You don't make it easy for any of us when you communicate like you did here.
He says these things with a straight face! Haha
@@alienmorality I have no idea. I was in a shitty mood. I apologize. It was actually a decent comeback.
As a retired LEO with thousands of rounds downrange and having been several use of deadly force incidents (incl. the terminal adjudication of one armed adversary), I can say this: you have hit the mark on all your points! Looking forward to watching all your videos!
As someone who has watched the movies "Heat" and "The Untouchables" several times each, I agree as well!
getredytagetredy sarcasm really goes over your head, huh
@@getredytagetredy whats it like to be a betamale looser ive always been curious
Tom Anderson don’t think u should be bragging about shooting a cripple
@@Test-Ant At the same time he is speaking the truth...
I appreciate you not using the names of the killers. It's a practice that needs to be adopted for more current events.
what is the purpose?
TheWatcher328 so others Don't do the same for fame/ public reconditing
Every school shooter for years, has the photos of the previous ones hanging somewhere in their room, or something like that.
I agree with not using the names
well this is the 1st time i'm hearing this story, i'll refer to the shooters as "dumbass #1" and "dumbass #2"
This was the first Paul Harrell video I ever watched, no idea how the Algorithm deemed it for me. Godspeed you magnificent Bastard, you'll be missed.
Same for me.
Same
Same
If feasible, please consider a similar analysis of the North Hollywood bank robbery shootout from the early 90s.
Yes pls
Paul could tell that story better than any news story the media put out and be far more educational and entertaining. If I remember it was that shooting that made police agencies rethink their firearm selection as shotguns and pistols were not as effective on armored suspects who had automatic rifles. I could be wrong, but I think that was the turning point for agencies adopting the M4 platform and becoming more of a standard.
I was just a kid but I remember my dad watching it on the news and them saying the cops had to go grab fire arms from a local gun shop to be able to match theirs
Adam B - As far as I know, that is true. I heard it on the news after the event and I recall an interview with the owner of the gun shop. I think, though, that the weapons arrived too late to do the cops any good. I believe the bank robbers were already on the move and eventually one was engaged by SWAT. The other was engaged by officers but it is still uncertain whether he was killed by the cops or took his own life.
@@StutleyConstable they swear now he took his ,own life and the one on the front of the car got hit by SWAT team members in the legs and bled out because e.m.s were saving cops 1st as they should .
"I know their names but choose not to say it." Respect dude. Don't give those clowns the fame they desire :)
It's different in this case IMO, a guy shooting up a mosque wants fame, these guys wanted to rob banks.
@Gabrielk 2024 What a fucking load of horse shit.
@Gabrielk 2024 Burden of proof. Don't say bullshit then ask me to prove you wrong. Not how it works.
Poppin' Loch Ness Hopster honestly people like you who don’t actually re certify their own beliefs are why there is so much misinformation and just skewed information these days. You just simply don’t care about the truth. Maybe you are right and maybe he’s right but you don’t want to be wrong so you won’t spend like 4 mins to search it up. So you keep believing probably just your assumption or the first article you read(probably from mainstream media) and ran with it.
@@andrewsheng5341 Again, he claimed something, it's on him to prove it, not on me to disprove it. THAT is how misinformation is spread.
"It's very easy to critique in leisure what other people had to do in haste."
Wise words from a wise man.
You're the only one who quoted that correctly. You win the internet today.
I’m sad as hell re-watching this. This was the video that introduced me to Paul’s channel. Hands down the best presentation on Miami dade I’ve seen to this day.
You are on point, informative, smart, well educated, humble and easy to listen person all at the same time! You have your own style and you don't try to copy anyone or look tacticool! I have never seen anything like you in youtube, you are so original! This channel will take off fast! Keep it up!
Take it easy, Urkel... Though I do agree he is the most informative in his own humble way which does make him a much more "DTE" type of pointer.
They dont make men like this anymore
@@Heyoupally nosfctech is dead on. You might consider not name calling when someone has a differing opinion than yours.
He's basically a really smart uncle with guns. I love the lack of pretentiousness.
took the words out right out my mouth, this man deserves respect.
Paul, I'm retired L.E., and former Vietnam vet, and my opinion is that the suspects were simply more prepared than the FBI, simply they were behind in training. The FBI did not train appropriately for this scenario. Thanks for your videos.
Agreed.
As a culture the FBI needed to and did make many changes. Changes felt throughout multiple Law Enforcement levels. Complacency can be very detrimental.!!!
Platt and Matix were marine and ranger trained. The agents were outclassed. Actually I think the agents did as well as they could. If Matix had not been hit early on they potentially could have killed all the agents.
@@Bob.W. "as well as they could"? What happens if the agent firing 20-something rounds with the semi auto 9mm.....had his glasses on??
Who knows if it would have changed anything? Platt took a lot of hits and still functioned well enough to kill 2 agents. Matix was out of the fight very early. Grogan may have done better. Or not.
“I could go on for an hour” please do.
Hear hear, lol
@@cougar2k720 🤔
Slap another hour on top of that hour you requested
Coming back to this hits different now, thank you for all the wonderful demonstrations Paul! R.I.P
"Yes I know their names, I just choose not to say them." Subscribed.
How about an analysis of the 44 minute shootout of the Northern Hollywood Bank on Feb. 1997.
Real life GTA
@@monkmoto1887 I think real life was around first
He gonna come out with a 2 day analysis
@@jameswarner8038 false! GTA was the first thing created in the big bang
THAT is a great Idea 👍.
Your devotion to detail is amazing. Even pouring rain sitting on the ground shooting the shotgun with one hand. Thanks for this video. Very enlightening to see the actual story from someone who’s studied it
It wasn't raining that day in Miami.
@@KENZOWAL they meant that even though it was raining Paul still reenacted the scene.
It’s Oregon. It only rains when you are driving at least 50mph. Any other time it’s just wet. Everything is wet. The air. The Sun. The trees. The clouds. Everything. Is. Wet. And then the sun comes out for three months straight and the world is beautiful.
I loved it. You only have to turn the windshield wipers on when you are on the interstate. It never really rains. 😂
I can't count the number of times I've watched, read, and looked at your analysis. My only problem is that I can only give it one thumbs up. Thanks.
You frequently mention your speech impediment but I've watched most of your videos and have never noticed it. I don't think your disclaimer is necessary at all. I really enjoy your content, thanks.
I developed a stuttering problem living in Asia 10 years, my accent is weird tooI put disclaimer on my other channel
I've never noticed a speech issue with Paul. he actually seems remarkably well spoken.
One of most clearly understandable american I ever heard talking... I don´t either, what he is reffering to.
An interesting, very knowledgeable, calm and nice guy in my opinion.
I also like him for his parka. No bling bling or stuff for posing, just practical clothes, guns, ammonition and advices!
Agreed. He’s very articulate and the disclaimer is unnecessary.
Some low foreheads cannot take apart his presentation on merit so they choose to attack from a personal level. He throws back at them later: "This is a family friendly video format, but if you're a grade schooler who has nothing better to do than make fun of someone, may I suggest something more in line with your age group, like Romper Room?" 😄
The agents who fired and didn't hit anything also allowed other agents time to get in positions of safety, so it could be dismissed as "bad marksmanship" but it could be classified as "suppressing fire" also creating confusion for the criminals who whilst certainly not out gunned may have thought they had more to deal with than they did.
I think that, with the amount of ammo fired, it's safe to assume that most of that ammo was intended to hit the suspects.
@@Jacob-ge1py With a six-round revolver in particular (and no speed-loaders), suppressing fire isn't really something you can afford.
I imagine the purpose of suppressing fire may have still been fulfilled through this shooting and in that sense it wasn't for nothing, however it was still a shortfall compared to, of course, rounds that actually hit their targets form the offset.
I thought the same thing. Even only six rounds thrown at the suspects were an attempt to thwart the aggressive mini14 fire.
Ya idk if it would apply to revolvers. In modern war ya all the idiots complaining about soldiers not aim aiming or shooting a side of a building don't understand that you don't see your target like 90% of the time and the majority of shots fired do get fired in a general direction and not at a specific target.
While I agree that this may have been how the agents were thinking about it, in this particular case mini 14 guy was so aggressive that suppressing wasn't helpful. That doesn't mean the agents were wrong to try it. It's rare for someone to be as batshit as mini 14 guy.
Some people have asked about the whales. Well... "Bob" and I got in the Water while "Joe" stayed in the boat. We were using mask and snorkel and watching for the whales to come by. The whales changed direction and went around us never coming closer than about fifty yards. Very disappointing and anti climactic.
I'm impressed that you got in the water with a big carnivore like that in the first place. Me, I saw Jaws too many times as a little kid and the very thought makes my bladder want to give out...
Top 5 best guns for someone who's handicap and elderly, I.E, Low mobility, Reduced Strength, Budget issues, "Carry-ability" most handicap / elderly people can't EDC carry on their sides. I'm handicap with a brittle bone disease and would love to hear your thoughts.
Paul Harrell I could watch you read the dictionary and be entertained.
Templaric Legion I like the dictionary, every other book in history is there. Arranged alphabetically.
Paul Harrell say what you want bout shoulda,woulda,coulda,,but if I would have been there I woulda pulled out my 9mm Witness 15+1 and kilt er body,,Damn,,,😎
RIP Paul. You helped a lot of people in many ways. Thank you for everything.
Im a retired Sergeant from the NYPD Detective Bureau in Brooklyn North. This was an EXCELLENT analysis on your part brother!!. Having been to not just countless homicide crime scenes but Police shootings, this was the scariest shit I've ever seen. Unlike what people see in the movies, perpetrators don't stop shooting or committing their violent act until their heart actually stops. Unlike many Cowboys here who CLAIM what they would do in similar circumstances, I can't honestly say what I'd do after hitting these animals with rounds from my old 38 Ruger I originally (I switched to the 9mm when it was authorized)came on the job with, they kept coming after me. LOL this is what adult diapers are made for
one of my parents, who was a teacher, had a crazy story about one of his students father who was a bounty hunter. apparently on the way to a party the bounty hunter stopped by a house to serve someone or whatever. the guy who answered the door shot him in the head with a revolver.
the bounty hunter fell down, instantly sprang up on his feet and by the time the cops arrived after the gun shot was called in they found the bounty hunter on top of the guy half beating him to death. fortunately the cops recognized him/his car from working with him so they pulled him off, then were like holy shit your head!
apparently the shooter was scared shitless and basically asked to be arrested by that point. it's an old story from long ago I'm filling in the gaps with so I'm unsure of whether the bullet bounced off his skull or went in and out without killing him, but he was apparently a bald dude and he had a big ass scar right on his forehead.
I'll always remember that story, combined with others because you just can't really predict what'll happen with a bullet considering all the variables in real life.
But mostly I remember the story cuz remember how I mentioned the shooter being scared? and the party? it was a Halloween costume party, and bounty hunter had dressed up as Dracula. basically the tweaker who opened the door got served, shot dracula in the head WHO THEN IMMEDIATELY STOOD UP AGAIN TO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HIM.
I'm guessing I might be able to do some digging, to see if this actually occured if was like documented in a newspaper. it would have been the 80s/90s in the PNW. such a good story though I'm fine with telling it as something I heard was true.
@@tryingtotryistryingBiggest sign from God to stop being a criminal. XD
Police are fictional. Do you say/comment that youre a fictional thing often?
"Speed is great, but accuracy is everything...".
Speed is fine, but accuracy is final.
No, having a cool head in the worst of all situations is everything.
That pairing with that snubnose is unbelievable. I shot with a snubnose and came to the conclusion that if the target is not on me I will be better off trying to throw the gun at the target.
@@malancronje6805 Out of a snubby there is essentially no benefit whatsoever to .357 over 38 spl +P loads - especially in the 125 grain pills. All you're getting for the extra money is a lot more flash bangy and wrist snap and zero terminal effectiveness on the bad guy.
"Accuracy is everything" That was the point Wyatt Earp made back in his day... that long ago...
Probably the best analysis of the 1986 shooting I've seen.
Sometimes I think people get too focused on their own narrative and fail to look at things from different angles. I see it all the time in the news when it comes to statistics.
Most people are too focused on their looks or how they are perceived, also how they fit in their community and how they can get the most views and attract sponsors. All this leads to is a boring lack of originality or depth. They copy each other and emulate the lowest common denominator. This makes Paul a total outlier.
Kabloosh Yes especially the statistics they try to skew to make it look like America needs more "gun control" instead of less, anybody who looks at the stats honestly can easily see that gun control is a problem, not an answer to a problem, but they try to twist it around all the time knowing that most people won't bother taking the time to look at the facts themselves
Goes for every field I guess. Especially the in less easy to confirm fields such as history.
Who else is re-watching after Wendigoon's video?
Uncle Paul’s video will always be *SUPERIOR*
When I did my security training I was amazed at how good cover you could give yourself from even a lampost , if you stand just a bit back from it instead of hugging it like most people do .you can use it to your advantage . Every time I watch one of your videos I learn something new , love your work 👌 cheers from Australia
Until I saw the new Jeep. I was wondering how the quality was so good on a film from the 80's .
Clearly this is my first time here.
it's his coat.. an old classic.
He has a strong vintage vibe. Lol.
@@farmninja6653 I've seen those, his Wife must love it... Those old ones really pound beeve.
@@BukitMan It's called BDE.
That is hilarious.
Fifth time in 4 years I've watched this video.
My biggest lesson learned: I don't ever want to be in a firefight ... unless I have Paul Harrell in my ankle holster.
You know, he has been on two-way live fire ranges for real. And he survived!
36 states have laws affirming constitutional carry of Paul Harrell, but 4 of those require a video length of no longer than 15”.
Honestly Lesson 1. Don't get Shot. It sucks. Trust me.
@@markmudgett7579 WAY LATE response from me but I know about the campfire one what was the other one? I know he got shot at by locals at some land one time but since you said two-way fire I’m guessing it’s another time?
I want us all to appreciate how well spoken Paul was. No jump cuts after every sentence, no edits from multiple takes, just one well thought out and cohesive monologue that makes you listen. RIP ❤
This was my first Paul Harrell video.
I was hooked.
Been a subscriber ever since.
Right......I watched one video last month and been binging when I can since
same
Makes it even better when you can watch it through Chromecast on your big screen TV 👍🏻 I think it's time to sub 🤷🏻♂️
Same here.
Lesson 1: Don't lose your glasses
Lesson 2: Bring a high capacity automatic rifle
Lesson 3: Shoot better
Lesson 4: don't get shot first.
I know you're joking but I feel like you missed out on part of what Mr. Harrell was trying to teach us. That you shouldn't try to oversimplify these events. It wasn't just that the agent lost his glasses it was that he didn't plan ahead and think that his glasses might get knocked off in the kerfuffle and take adequate precautions. And a high calibre might have helped, but your point 3 should disregard the need for high capacity. I'm not saying a rifle with a lot of ammo wouldn't still be useful but that ultimately there is a lot of nuance that can't necessarily be broken down into black and white points of fact.
Part of the "lack of preparation" is underestimating their opponents. Both (suspect) shooters had military training and backgrounds and continued the fight even after severe wounding.
@betatalk357 That;s why most officers have a patrol rifle and / or shotgun now. That didn't happen until at least the late 90's though.
marksmanship > all else though
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Very good point about "woulda, Shoulda". I had a coworker, a very good guy who had extensive experience playing airsoft games in college. He talked about great games in which he had both won and lost due to mistakes; i.e. he wasn't too proud to admit that sometimes he screwed up.
He did say that he'd never fired any real firearms before. I an some of my friends took him to a range day and let him fire revolvers and semiauto pistols in various calibers and an AR. He came away with an entirely different view of his airsoft experiences; especially as regards noise and recoil of a firearm. The point is that gaining experience reveals insights he wasn't really expecting.
Congrats on 1 million Paul, hope you are doing as well as you can be
Very good presentation. As a retired federal law enforcement firearms instructor and defensive tactics trainer I had a keen interest in the Miami-Dade shootout. I even had an opportunity to go to the physical location where the shootout took place. I give kudos to the agents for doing what they knew at the time to do, although your comments about preparation ring true. Even some of my better "paper" shooters had problems when I put shirts onto 3D targets. Adding stress like yelling at them or causing malfunction type drills under pressure could turn a great "paper" shooter into a less than average shooter. Only rounds on target count. If you're slower than the guy next to you, you're "dead". Miami-Dade definitely changed the dierction of law enforcement firearms training. Getting my shooters into the correct mindset was a challenge unto itself, as most of them were more concerned with pinpoint accuracy than leathal hits in a timely manner. The psychological effect of the bang of the mini-forteen compared to the pops from the handguns was also a real thing. The North Hollywood shootout was another incredible episode. Interesting stuff. Stay safe, my Friend!
Me too brother. And well said. I even had trouble motivating police and military trainees ... sheesh ... the "It won't ever happen to me" syndrome. But then, I'm not in the US ......
Man PREACH!!
There was a shootout similar to this in Medina, ND in 1983. I'd like to know if the documentation and scrutiny were similar to the Miami-Dade event or more like the Newhall. Was there anything to learn from it today that the other two don't already teach us?
ua-cam.com/video/LSR8YG5lxXI/v-deo.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Kahl#Shootout_near_Medina,_North_Dakota
Damn ...lol I'm about to delete my comment up there after reading this. You hit the point of the psychological effect of the difference in firearms much much better than I was trying to get across .
"It's easy to critique in leisure, what other people had to do in haste" -Paul Harrell
That's going to be my Facebook Post of the Day
Words of wisdom.
Just after he critiqued their marksmanship and preparedness. Which was justified, I just don't get the double standard.
I like that you give no credit to the perpetrators. Something main stream media could learn from
Most people idolize the perps. Billy the Kid, John Dillenger, Jessie James, Capone
micky mcfarts
Much Credit To LEOs to Take
On Banditoes To Protect Public//
Kudos To Running Into Fray, A 2-way Firing Range. Much Respect.
Never understood what was to point of deliberately hiding the identity of criminals. Is the world not ready to see their faces? Is humanity treated like 5 yrs old child ?
SirCrown Yeah, the world is about 5, ever heard of copycat killers, people killing for fame etc etc?
I'm more in favor of withholding the identities of mass shooters in particular. They absolutely do it for attention. Leaving manifestos and the like behind. The media turns every one into a celebrity and this encourages others who are thinking of doing the same.
I just came here because of a comment on a new Wendigoon vid. If Milkshake Anon is subbed to and even commenting on the same story with even more history and accurate analysis then we've come full circle. Ty Wendigoon fan for helping add to a story I've gone over so many times as a kid to now after watching the movie 'heat' and seeing the 'fake' most realistic shootout of the century then seeing this on FX as a teen after this went straight to DVD.
i am an og but saw the wedigoon comment and came to look
This is my new favorite gun channel. You take a new direction on a stale topic and make it very informative and interesting. Super cool.
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yeah this is cool channel, but this guy needs get camera settings right :) like watching high resolution 80 film, all colors are grey :/
Agreed
I agree as well
You are probably the most calculated and intelligent person I have ever heard talk about a subject like this. You have definitely earned a loyal Sub from me
"There's a few law enforcement shootings that I would consider 'required reading'...." Mr. Harrell, how about doing a video on each one?
The iconic 3 are Newhall, Miami-Dade and North Hollywood. If you can add mil/contractors stuff James Yeager's convoy incident is probably a good one to look at.
@@jediknight1294 this. Also I think the more recent Dallas shooter should be studied more. The one where the bad guy sliced the pie hard on one cop and they had to call in the RCXD kill streak to take him down
RIP Paul, this was the first video of yours i ever watched...
Same. I thought this man would live forever.
@@silentbob8635 me too.
I love your speaking style. Like the best professor in a University :)
Agree, and Paul seems to base his views of Reality and backs up his views with reasons. Very little, B/C I Say So. But I think I would disregard whatever Paul says at my peril.
I couldn't agree more
Dude, as for your "apology" wrt verbal presentation - you present better than most people who are using a teleprompter. So, there's that.
agree - wouldn't notice any issues at all without it being brought up... (or actually don't really notice either way)
hes a better speaker than 90% of youtubers tbh
@@junckmailsucks10203 he's being humble about it. He talks better than a Harvard professor
I'd love to see you and the crew do a review and breakdown similar to this one of the North Hollywood bank robbery of 1997.
Charles H Geis IV that's very apparent and well known. It still stands to reason though that Paul doing a North Hollywood bank robbery breakdown would be very interesting.
Yes!
Isn't there a ton of video footage of that?
Wasn't that the one wacky robbery where the dudes had some form of body armor?
Revolutionary Gaming69 yep... The perps were armored to the hilt. It was a colossal failure of marksmanship as well as being under prepared.
Whenever I watch the television film from 1988 "In The Line of Duty: The FBI Murders", I always come here afterwards to watch this video. It's the perfect way to smooth out the story, and learn more about the details. Educational.
You mean you can put up with an hour and a half of David Soul?
Did anyone else catch Paul "pat himself on the back"? 😂 That's gold my friend. Love the subtle sarcasm.
If you watch at playback speed.25 he even tots a small horn that he pulls out of he's left pocket
@@rebelinreb402 ....HAHA!!
I had the opportunity to talk one on one with Gordon McNeil from this shootout. We were attending a homicide conference in Galveston, where I was a police officer, and were at an after conference crawfish boil. He and I happened to sit at a table alone and were able to talk about this event for about 30-40 minutes. He was not at all hesitant to talk in detail about the engagement. It was fascinating and I really appreciated the opportunity.
That's awesome man, he seems like a down to earth " mans man" Gordon's the man!!
About as real as you can get without being there!
Must be a memorable event to a tough event!with a smile-Lucky you!
As a shooter with glasses, this video was eye opening. Great job.
Jody Williams get contacts
@@Li8eralsarescum69 Even worse when theirs gun powder, dust and whatever hitting that contact that then gets stuck and harder to see or can ever fall out which you won't ever find, Lasik Surgery would be the better option overall just cost more.
Always wear your nerd strap, I do.
@Todd Spikes what it means.
@Todd Spikes my comment still applies till today
Paul you may not be here on earth . Still in our thoughts . Don't let St. Peter take your jacket .
Watching this on 10/04/2020. At the 24:56 mark "This is what he saw", an ad for the new Borat movie started. I was confused for a couple seconds. Strange timing.
Thanks Mr. Harrell for this analysis and all your other videos. Your knowledge and wisdom have real world applications and your dry humor always lifts my mood.
Also, the shooters that day were both very well trained former military, one was even a Ranger. that is serious training with far better ingrained marksmanship skills. So the FBI may have been a bit out classed, that said, they performed valiantly and with honor. My hat is off to them.
The rifleman also had a deathwish, with nothing left to lose. That shit's dangerous.
damn, sounds dangerous when well trained soldiers go crazy and start killing regular folks.
@@humorss also scary to consider that some "gangbangers"...people that most consider to be uneducated and with no training or rules...have actually been in the military and received formal marksmanship training with various types of weapons. When unsuspecting local police approach a situation they don't always know what they're getting into and it has killed many...
Maybe the FBI shoot hire more people with certain military backgrounds. And not make them part of a swat team. Just have them as part of the regular agents. Say 20% of all agents at large be former Rangers, Spec Ops etc. and have their vehicles equipped with more serious weapons and gear. So that every time 5 or more agents are together at least one of them is a highly trained badass. Death from above baby
Scott Eger at the sheriffs office I work at, a majorly of our guys are former military with combat experience from the Middle East. Some of them are still reserves or national guard. We even have one I know of was a Vietnam veteran who was a green beret, he retired twice and only works transport now. Our agency was smart enough to use these guys to train a lot of the new guys.
'Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.' -Mike Tyson
Then you cheat and bite your opponents ear
Mike tython
@@RockyMountainWest13 That's just mean! Funny, but mean. :)
And this is why we train, force on force, exposure to live fire, harsh environmental training etc.
Everyone has a face til they get punched in the plan...
Tike myson
As a fellow veteran, I have truly been enjoying these videos and only wish I had found them sooner. It is refreshing to hear some intelligent reasoning instead of simply "what this bullet did is cool wow." I realize this is an old video but please keep them coming.
Thank you for your service, Sir ❤
Veterans are fictional. You think and act as if thats untrue? Often?
Respectable how he compensates for gun battle stress by increasing the distance my a huge amount. This guy knows how to train and evaluate the firefight. Subbed, thanks for the down low on the situation.
Agreed !
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson (FBI 1 hand shotgun shooting)
I used to be an adventurer until I got ... uh nevermind
@Robert Slackware it was Holyfield, not Foreman. And that was on the fly, his plan went to shit when he got punched in the mouth.
@Robert Slackware lol
Mike Tyson might not be the most intelligent or well spoken individual but he was an absolute master in ambush and fighting tactics
If you can’t handle getting punched in the mouth, you have no business fighting in the first place.
This is the first time I have watched this channel. What a pleasure it is to see a video that explains the situation very clearly, acknowledges differing points of view, and makes logical conclusions based on the evidence. Well done.
Rowan Cox me too. This guy is the real deal. No bullshit. Straight to the point with the facts. I dig this. Damn good. Iam subscribing
Jeremiah Wilson
Indeed he is!
Well its not perfect but what is right but you can tell when someone puts time effort and a little something called editing into a project as we can clearly see here.
This is my favorite Paul Harrell video. Thank you for the work you did.
“Nerd strap” killed me. You bring up very good points. Hopefully now days the FBI trains on marksmanship and better prep.
I need a nerd strap now :(
I kept seeing this pop up in my feed and I had no idea as to what the 86 Miami Dade shooting. I actually had to search for it and watch the FBI Files about it. You are a true treasure sir. Thank you for not listening to the arm chair QBs. Your analogy is spot on. They are all talk!
I think your analysis is spot on. I've read a lot about this 1986 shootout in Miami and I agree. A lack of preparation, poor marksmanship, and other factors. And to your point, no one can judge what how anyone will react in a real life shootout where decisions must be made in seconds. Great video! In the end it's extremely tragic we lost two FBI agents.
i just discovered paul today. I have a feeling im in for a real treat. gonna make a short playlist and go to sleep listening to the man, maybe meet him in my dreams. RIP, but youve gained a fan none-the-less. ❤
I would enjoy hearing Mr. Harrell's analysis of the shootout/siege at Waco.
same here!!
I dont think you would.... Paul would probably make you see red when he talked about Janet Reno and the ATF using poison gas (outlawed by the Geneva convention-- as it killed the children). ATF should be the name of a gun shop, NOT a government agency.
@@jackdundon2261 I don't doubt it would make me angry, but I don't avoid learning about things that make me angry. It's important we don't stick our heads in the sand to shut out what we don't want to hear.
@@0megamanX RIGHT now the us marshals should be arresting the governor of Virgina and charging him with high treason for openly violating the USA constitution... but, not happening. That should tick you off too.
@Black Pill to be honest you dont know what your talking about... they used a gas that had to be PUMPED in, they drove the Bradley's up next to the compound. And pumped this crap in. (I dont k oz dhe name it's some really long complex name) I DO remember it killed the children, plugged the gas masks etc. And it was outlawed for use in warfare and the American godlcernemnt used it on innocent children. If that doesnt piss you off, you dont have a soul. (Its common knowledge tear gas canisters are red hot and stat fires) this crap they used was NOT tear gas. -- though I am sure they used that too.
Waco Texas was a federal government doing extream overreach. not good or bad law enforcement.
Read the book "the ashes of Waco", 30 years later it's still a major injustice.
Theres no excuse for the glasses getting lost. I was a paratrooper with glasses, and that was kind of a priority. Carry an extra pair and make sure those things have a strap.
@Robert Slackware as an 'archer' i was door jumper on my first jump. Ill never forget that one. I landed with my feet apart.... and it hurt like hell. I remember limping back to the rally point, realizing that id just learned an important lesson in PLFing.
An excellent even-handed analysis. Lack of foresight makes all things difficult. You are a great presenter sir.
firest vid I saw of Paul , always come back to this one such great analysis
My dads favorite quote that he tells me all the time is: “if you fail to plan you plan to fail.”
Train like you are going to fight, or you will fight like you trained.
Caleb Moore ... Your Dad is right. Eisenhower has a quote attributed to him that goes something like, “All plans are useless, but the act of planning is invaluable.” His point is that your plan became obsolete as soon as you finished because of changing facts on the ground. BUT, the effort, thought, research that you put into that plan will enable you (with forethought) to adapt to changing conditions. I fully subscribe to this view.
Could apply that to covid19 handling
Patrick Kenyon One of my martial arts instructors had/has a pretty good saying that goes: "Practice does NOT make perfect. Practice makes *permanent*."
Words to live and die by
Paul, this is a masterful illustration of the events as they took place to the best of the knowledge we have. All your points are valid and reasonable. I've always argued that the FBI blamed the types of guns/calibers the agents used, instead of faulting the tactics and marksmanship. For instance, many cite the FBI Miami shootout as to why they will not use 9mm. Your closing statement about keyboard warriors is 100% spot on, *extremely* easy to critique life or death situations like this in hindsight having not been there in person getting shot at. Thank you for the amazing content and the intelligent assessment behind the events. And from one Veteran to another, Thank You for your service.
all agents so qualified, should be allowed to draw a rifle or SMG if their duties of the day may require it. i am saying tey should have had the option. and i hope nowdays they do have the option
Miami Vice TX
Miami Vice seems to me that they were not prepared. They knew they were well armed. Why they didn't take more Body Armor and Shotguns at least is beyond me.
"It's easy to critique in leisure what a person had to do in haste", I like that. It's a good life lesson that everybody needs to take to heart, not just the armchair/keyboard commandos.
I wonder what Mr. Harrell thought when he heard President Trump criticize the Florida high school deputy & say he would have ran into the school even without a weapon to confront the gunman.
Not taking action is not the same as taking the wrong action. If you stand outside while you hear gunfire inside a school, you are a coward.
MARSOC Airman i'd like to see you try. I've never been in a shooting incident, but I train wrestling and boxing (not competition level) and when things get tough your brain tends to haywire and you can't think straight except to SURVIVE.
If you're willing to risk your life by going inside a building, then good for you. Take into account as well what the killers might do if you do go inside the building and what that action of yours can do to their mindset. They might even start killing more people and do crazier things due to panic and adrenaline because of that simple action of going inside the building.
Like Paul said and i'll say it differently, it's easy to judge or throw out an opinion when you've never been in that kind of situation.
Justin thats a stupid argument. the police officers were supposed to be trained professionals and it is their DUTY to risk their lives to save innocents. Imagine a fireman who refuse to enter a burning building to do his damn duty just because his "brain got haywired". Well either he was badly trained or he was a coward simple as that.
Also by giving the excuse of what if the killers might do something crazier if they went inside the building is also plain stupid. If i use that logic police officers WILL NEVER NEED TO EVER ENTER A DANGEROUS SITUATION. your excuse gives them the perfect excuse to NOT DO ANYTHING. The correct and logical thing was to assess the situation with the facts at that time and the facts were the killer was ALREADY SHOOTING at people, the killer wasnt thinking about killing he WAS KILLING. so how do you deal with a ACTIVE SHOOTER? YOU SHOOT HIM DEAD. Simple common sense.
a a Shoot him dead? Then if you know how it's done then tell me your plan from reaching point a (the police) to point b (the shooter) without risking more lives? Following the procedures? Have you ever been at gun point or an active shooting? It haywires the brain no matter if you are a trained vet or not.
Go join the military or the police force and let me know if your mind changes. Like paul said and I will say to you, it is easy to judge something if you yourself haven't been in that situation. You just can't say kill the shooter that's it. If you don't have a plan on how to get to the shooter and what to do, then your argument is all down the drain.
Trained proffesionals and people in duty are not as rock hard as you may think. They get scared. Like you will if you are at gun point or your life is at risk. It's their job, yes, but fear can take over. Stop being naive.
This is one of the most genuinely interesting analyses I've seen in ages, not just as a breakdown of the specific incidents but as a lesson in how fixation on isolated, de-contextualized points of data can drive policy or doctrine on a vast scale.