Armin should have changed after killing civilians at Marley. Eren should have also killed him, let me explain why. He had potential to grow as a character, but is instead scrapped into a jail cell for a good portion of the story. Erwin, Bertholdt, his family, and his rebirth should have changed his views on his dreams and values for peace. His character arc and the story could've been the following: After sadly witnessing the harm and destruction he has caused at Marley, Armin internalizes his vow to never again use his Titan powers for violence nor put himself in a position to be forced to by Eren or the military, thus he eventually leaves his friends to travel the world to learn how to bring peace to Eldians' legacy. This desire is also reinforced after seeing the past colossal shifters memories of pain and torment (recall Armin's dream of the collosal Titan crying), deciding to end the cursed fate of the colossal Titan's use for violence. The fact that he was forced back to life and that Erwin's and his parent's dreams were never fully recognized due to violence, later pushes him to change his dream to travel the world in the search for peace. Prior to leaving his friends, during the table incident between the main three cast members, Armin scolds Eren for hurting Mikasa's feelings, and proceeds to punch Eren, stopping himself at the last second (and of course, shortly right after, Mikasa slams Armin to the table). Later as Eren walks away, Armin yells at Eren for forcing him to end innocents' lives and hurting Mikasa, and points out that Eren is being a slave to violence, and that his name will forever breed more violence long after he's dead. Eren loses his composure for a second and then becomes angry, proceeding to break Armin's face, Mikasa cries and begs for Eren to stop and is unable to bring herself to hurt Eren or stop him. Later that night, Armin uses his powers to escape the jail, and asks Mikasa to leave Eren because he and the Yeagerists are on a path of violence in which they need to stop him, but she replies that she can't leave Paradise because she loves Eren. Armin decides that due to public support for Eren among the walls, that his best option is to flee temporarily. (note: Marley doesn't attack Paradise quickly after Eren's surprise attack, due to Eren's threat of the rumbling) Later on, when Eren is about to eliminate the rest of the world, (after Eren's rumbling form has been destroyed by other means) Armin appears to stop Eren one last time. It's revealed that behind the scenes, Armin has been providing the whereabouts/intel on Eren to governments, in order to reduce casualties. In their colossal Titan forms, Armin argues on the hypocrisy of Eren, using hints revealed throughout the story to show that Eren is only pretending to be evil, that he must be a slave not only to violence but to his role, his destiny as well, cracking Eren's fake persona open. Eren's and Armin's conversation is being broadcasted to the world, (either through radio or through the paths somehow) and we see how Eren's mind has degenerated in the past 24 hours he has spent reducing the world population. Having multiple shifters' memories and Ymir's power is partially why he struggles to retain his character as well. Eren retaliates and kills Armin in the same manner his mother was eaten. A flood of memories strikes Eren as he sees memories of Armin traveling the world and meeting new people with different cultures, faiths, and lifestyles. He's crushed with these memories and is in shock/pause when he realizes that Armin truly cared for the world. Mikasa is moved by Armin's words but when his death occurs, she is in horror. She realizes that sometimes violence really is justified when peace is met with violent individuals. She resolves herself to end Eren's life because she loves him and doesn't want him to suffer or create more suffering on others anymore (she laments that if only she were braver to confess her feelings to Eren earlier under the stars, and braver to stop the fight between Armin and Eren during the table scene; she always had the freedom to confess her love and should've never used her duties or adoptive ties with Eren as an excuse to hide her feelings for him). Eren dies with some last thoughts/words to Mikasa asking if a slave like himself can ever be freed or loved, Mikasa tells him that she will always love him no matter what he chooses to do and that he can now finally be free. She kisses Eren goodbye and then receives future memories of an alternative timeline that Eren and herself had together. The Titan powers end, and we proceed to the flashback between Eren and Armin. The flashback of that erased conversation consists of Eren lamenting how he can't bend the timeline to how he exactly wants to because people like Armin and Mikasa exist, people who's inherent values for peace and unconditional love do not change because that's what makes them human. Eren laments that if he doesn't reduce the world population to only Paradisans, that someone else would've done so in his place or sterilize or destroy the Eldians eventually, and that it seems that this was the only way to erase the Titan power for good while also saving the lives and future of Paradise. Eren accepts his fate and asks Armin one last time not to stand in his way. Armin refuses because it's in his nature to stand up to violence. Eren argues that Armin will be the reason why humanity will destroy Paradise in the future because it's humanity nature to act in revenge. Armin states that such a scenario would happen only if Paradise were to push for peace and not become a fascist regime based on violence and fear, that it's also in humanity's nature to act in forgiveness. Eren hopes Armin is right. . Feel free to edit it a bit, this is how I felt the story should've gone after watching your video
Armin was my eren when he was chosen as the new colossal I believed Ishyama would prove he deserved it not that he was the better choice but that he deserved to live just as much as Erwin and that he would become a true hero like eren said he would, but in the end he becomes diet Willy tyber he condemns his own people to annihilation to protect his own morality his people continue to live in hell and later are completely eradicated while he got to live in luxury , Apsolutely disgusting I was one of the people who defend Armin who believed he would pull though but I was wrong and you have no idea how much it hurts me to say that .
Bro i got just 1 complaint, you gotta work on your audio mixing, man. I've been watching your videos and the voice recordings are too low. At 6:10, when it transitioned to the music, it blew out my ears haha
Armin lost his character development when he started simping for the women who literally tried to kill him and his friends 4 years ago and apparently didn't regret it
Let's be real here. The only reason he loves Annie is because she is the only one who can fulfill his fantasy of being stepped on. Remember when he punched Eren. Yeah he only did that because he wanted to get off to Eren beating him up. If Pieck and Annie switched titans, he would love Pieck. He just wanna be stepped on.
I wish post-timeskip they would've made Armin a bit more realistic/pessimistic about the situations they are in - he just seems so naive to the world. Especially after he literally got burned to a crisp and nearly died. You'd think nearly dying and having so many burdens placed upon you would alter your personality a bit.
Post timeskip Armin was so out of character this is the same guy who said in order to beat monsters you have to become a monster but now he's all " let's just talk this out guys "
@@thatoneblackdude3333 seriously though I didn't mind Armin being naive in the beginning. But after nearly dying and realizing the reality of the world you'd think he'd abandon some of his former idealistic self. Obviously not like Eren, but similar. I also wish he didn't fall in love with Annie, or at least it wasn't by choice. It was influence from Bertholdt's memories and feelings. Like that would be an interesting internal struggle for him.
@@mboseman2895 the thing is Armin was probably the least naive he knew how corrupt the government was , he defended Erwin during the fight with the female titan, and while he made a big deal about killing people he was the first one in the 104th to draw blood without hesitation Armin was naive but it was in a realistic way not this lets hold hands and sing cumbaya nonsense
@@mboseman2895 he was Apsolutely changed post timeskip him and hange got shafted to make eren and friends look good only to turn eren into the biggest clown of all ridiculous
Imagine if Armin really died in RtS. It would've gone down to history as one of the most impactful and memorable deaths in manga ever, and it would've shaken every reader to the core, essentially declaring that not even the protagonist's closest acquaintances had plot armor.
@@fckyo7789 Reiner was the most blatant yeah. The whole "he transferred his mind into his body" was such a "wtf are you on bro" moment. It would've been more believable to just say "titan shifters don't fucking die even if you kill them" and call it a day.
Armin fell in love with the woman who destroyed his home town, the woman who killed 20 percent of humanity inside the walls, the woman who was responsible for armin grandfather death( to shave off starvation. If she did came to paradis his grandpa would still be alive).the woman who almost kidnapped your best friend, the woman who almost killed jean and she turned most of his comrades into a yo-yo🗿
she killed 60% of the human population between the walls not 20%, with bertholt and reiner of course not alone, and yes annie also said if she had to do it again she would, this character clearly lacks empathy....
I get it that armin was influenced by bertolts memories but still that shit was so corny and the panel of armin saying “im the one who killed the attack titan” and annie blushing was corny asf
I'm not as mad at the ending as many others are but goddamn if that wasn't one of the worst lines I have ever read in any piece of media ever. I could forgive so much, even the stupid Armin-Annie stuff but lines like this one are just unforgivably bad.
And the fact he went with the flow and let his "" FORMER BEST FRIEND Die instead convincing him to find another way he did ask him to stop but went on with the flow like its nothing
Am I the only one who noticed armin didn’t do jack shii after being resurrected? I was always amazed at armin for his ideas and was really looking forward to seeing him in season 4. I was mad at the beginning for him simping on Annie, and I got a lot of hate for that. Armin and Annie are not meant to be together
Back in the days when Levi saved him.........i told my cousin right then and there that Erwin should have been the one to be saved(even though I had not read any manga at the Time)..............deep down i always knew saving him was a mistake.
I hate Armin ever since the Attack on Marley arc like bitch what exactly do you want? Freedom or Subjugation? He was talking about peace so much that he forgot what their actual goal was, he even forgave Annie for her actions and became a simp of her same goes for Hange that bitch was annoying as hell good she died in the rumbling
@@zhulimoon46 I would have paid to have Erwin slap Eren into adulthood and meet with Willy 🤣 but you know... there's so much Armin could do with Erens shenanigans... and a fascist island 🙃
Actually, Eren and Armin would've made a great antithesis to each other, they could've been an amazing rival after time-skip. Eren focus on the negativity of the world and Armin focus on the positive note. This clash of ideology could've made the Rumbling arc much deeper in philosophy, not some surface-level conversation we got in chapter 139
i think for all the people who support the alliance just need to see the way armin was talking to annie then see the way she flattened petra as she screamed for help
for anyone whos scene breaking bad, without given much away i wish armin had more of a chess game with eren like how season 4 of breaking bad went. if we gave up a character like erwin for armin, you have to show how big his contribution can be.
You should do an Historia Reiss video talking about her correlation with Ymir Fritz and her child becoming a reincarnated Ymir. I still feel Mikasa connection with The founder Ymir was sudden and unexplained.
@hi ? he is not saying it doesn't make sense. But tha it was an explained and could/should have been hunted more....in fact it appeared only in the last chapter with two lines...
For the people that say Erwin wouldn't be capable of killing his enemies across the sea think of this, Erwin was capable to sacrifice his own people for the cause, and Armin is supposed to be the pacifist yet he was capable of using the colossal titan to destroy his enemies in Marley. Imagine what Erwin would have done to save Eldia. I would love to see that happen ☹️
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Not neccessarily. Erwin always said after the titans are gone/threats are limited he would also focus on other outside threats. We can see that these 'outside threats' would be the outside world and Marleyians who want the Eldians to be eradicated. So if all other methods of negotiations are gone, he can resort to a full on battle if he could.
@@maxnotwell7853 I said he would solve the issue without the rumbling I never said he wouldn't do any or wouldn't fight back I said with his level of intelligence he would secure paridis future without needing to resort to the rumbling since the only reason eren did it was because the scouts couldn't find any other way and the only one who probably could (Erwin) is dead Its an act of desperation which wouldn't exist if he was alive
I feel so bad for the fandom I feel like a lot of those people who said if the leaks were real the ending would be horrible (both times) instantly switched up when they were real "Nah it's still peak bozo"
Armin bombing Marley’s port, stepping on hundreds of lives to retrieve Eren: “If we failed, we can’t have a future” Eren rumbling the world to save Paradis: “No, you can’t just commit genocide for our sake” “Oh wait, for our sake? Thank you” This guy is so hypocritical to the point that while motive and action is the same, he has the audacity to say “You really love this hell huh Eren?” because his kill counts are lower. Then that thank you line is the worst thing I have read. Would love if anyone give me a more cringe dialogue that that
Pretty late here, but it would have been better if aside sheer gut morality, armin admitted he was selfish... in the regard, eren is destroying the rest of the world, and thus the knowledge and experiences he always yearned for...so unlike eren who cares the most for his people and his own prerogatives curtailment, and is clearly willing to forsake that knowledge if needed to avoid it... armin leans for the latter, and thus would be willing to sacrifice the island for it. In short, a self realization for him like the ones reiners or erens got.
People who liked the ending be like Before the 8 pages: “Eren’s goal was to end the Titan curse! He achieved it! So symbolic!” After the 8 pages: “Actually his goal was to make sure his friends live long happy lives of course! He never cared about paradis’s future, the cycle of hatred, or the Titan powers 😂‼️”
Actually that makes him even more pathetic. If he wanted his friends to live long lives, he could've accepted Zeke's plan 😂 There was literally no need for him to Rumble
People after the 8 pages: Eren just wanted his friends to live long lives!! Are you a speed reader!?! 🤣🤣😤😤 EREN’S OWN WORDS IN 139: I wrapped my friends into this war WITHOUT KNOWING IF THEY WOULD SURVIVE OR NOT! Eren gambled his friends lives just like he did with Paradis. So people cannot use this excuse lol
Same I think of it everyday,it's affecting me I loved these characters so much I never even shipped anybody, I believed in Eren After this ending, I've stopped watching anime now
Armin was a good character, pre time skip i like him the most tbh, isayama just assassinated everyone...damn, this is so sad...btw the dub is goated, ty for choosing it for this vid. Great analysis of armins character, good job.
armin was legit an A tier character before rumbling arc, he would've been S tier if yams did the right things and let him sacrifice himself during the Bertolt fight, it also would've upped the stakes in the story for one of the mc's to die and it makes more sense plot wise and thematically for Levi to have revived Erwin.
Armin has that "I'm the MC's friend!" plot armour so killing him would have made AoT a very special anime, so yams decided nope lol. Also Armin had to see the OcEaN so no dying before that
@@rickchakraborty2087 I feel like it would have been better for him to theoretically found the ocean instead, like he does and when Eren makes it he would say something like "I made it, Armin" or maybe mikasa cause Eren was kinda crazy at that point. I feel like that would have made the scene better
@@rickchakraborty2087 You made me think of something. Imagine if Armin really died, he couldn't have seen the sea obviously, but Eren would've. Given he got his father's memories beforehand, him realizing the sea wasn't freedom would've made it much heavier. Armin's aspirations were nothing more but just another wall, and Eren thinking about that would've broken him much more. "On the other side of the sea, there are enemies. If we kill all of them, will we be finally free?"
Mouth dropped at the last couple of lines. We really are a mirror to the characters in the series how were all supposed to just ignore the fact that Armin isn’t a real hero. Armin’s biggest strength in the manga was bluffing i guess. He bluffed that they were torturing Annie, he bluffed that he wasn’t going to sacrifice himself to kill Bert, and now he bluffed that he killed Eren. His strategies went from well thought out plans to straight up bluffing and winging it. Not one character had character progression in this series and the only one who did, Eren, was retconned, and now allegedly no he didn’t he’s that same boy with the idealistic views and binary thinking. Bull
If Levi knew how this was how things were gonna turn out letting Armin live instead of Erwin, he would've chose Erwin without a second thought. Though I'm glad he didn't because it would be Erwins' character being dragged through the mud, not Armin.
@@LovesMJ4ever Just thinking of Erwin being written as a pathetic character in the time-skip instead of Armin gives the chill. He literally got spared from this horrible outcome.
Hold on. There was at least one character that had progression without being thoroughly ruined, and that character was Floch the patriot. Actually, every character that developed properly and died before the 139 retcon was far more consistent and well-written than the ones who made it to Ch. 139. Ppl like Erwin, Sasha, Levi Squad are better characters at this point.
Lots of red flags. For example, the political scenes in the Marlay arc were so unrealistic that it now seems to be basically a deliberate attempt to create the conditions for rumbling. War is an extreme manifestation of complex social contradictions, yet the leaders of those hegemonic countries just suddenly put aside their conflicts and support Tybur, almost like writing a high school fight. The scenario of Eren inciting his father is also far-fetched; it was clearly an oppressive society that led to the death of Grisha's sister, but Isayama seems to blame the problem on Grisha for starting the story. Even if Marlay had not destroyed the walls, Grisha wouldn't give up his fight if he was a qualified revolutionary.
Yams trying to make us sympathize with Marley side despite the fact that we've spent 100 chapters with Eldians was the biggest red flag of them all. I don't give a shit about Reiner, I don't give a shit about Falco and I sure as shit don't give a shit about Gabi. I just don't, I'm sorry.
@@HyakuJuu01300 I think the real reason the story suffered is because Isayama was done with it. 139 is way too early into the series and I've been feeling this way since it ended. The rumbling was very rushed
@@HyakuJuu01300 I don't think they were trying to make us sympathize with Marley. They were trying to make us sympathize with the warriors. And also one big theme of the show is there are two sides to every story, and the story would be more boring if we just stuck with paradise being goody two shoes good guys and Marley as the big bad evil villains that needs to be stopped. If they went that route, it would just be another bland shonen series Correct me if I was wrong on what you were trying to say
One of the big problems with AoT is that the rumbling arc takes the characters deteriorating, not unchanged, but worse. At the time it seemed that Armin and Erwin displayed a similar core: curiosity ( freedom ) and sacrifice (another level of freedom). Levi's choice is based on his desire for Erwin to rest, but the premise is that Armin is not weaker than Erwin on any level, you can even say Armin's dream is more 'innocent'. But in the end, Armin tells Levi you were fucking wrong. AOT is the tone of tragedy but makes a farcical ending.
@@ignacioruiz-retegui6196 His planning killed a bunch of Yaegerist, people who were only defending themselves. He also caused Eren’s death, in which, got his entire country wiped out. So ye….
@@kory.j6561 So his plan, not him, ended in their deaths AFTER they tried to kill him (which was not part of his plan). He was totally against killing them and wasn't happy about any of their deaths. Besides, yeaguerists shot at him and his friends first so there's that.
@@ignacioruiz-retegui6196 because his plan was to literally betray Paradis. He’s working with the exact people that slaughtered and ruined ALL of their lives
Armin was my favourite character. I liked him more than Eren. He sucked at fighting but at least he could use his brain.I honestly think that Erwin should have been the one to revive not because Armin was a bad choice but because Erwin was the logical choice (8:39 Erwin didn't refuse the injection, he was raising his hand as if he was in the class. There is an obvious transition in 8:40 to child Erwin in the class of his father) After the time skip Armin character went down hill, he suddenly turned dumb. Let me tell you why? Because Issayama could not make Zeke and Yelena look smart unless he made Hange and Armin look dumb, at least Pixis tried to figure some stuff out before his soldiers turned on him. That's how bad his writing skill turned out to be. Again Armin turned out to be useless again when he was kidnapped by Ymir. This was his 1st mission ever as a commander, yet Levi had to call all the shots on his behalf. * Really Issyama* Eren was ruined Armin was ruined Hange was ruined Historia was ruined Mikasa never had a charater to be ruined Ymir // // // // // // //
Exactly thats why I couldn't enjoy eren or other people accoceated with him because Ishyama made Armin and hange stupid to make eren and his side look good
At the time i thought that it was a consequence of him being the next Colossal thus making him more like Berthold i really thought Berthold took him over, and even in the end i was waiting hoping that he would step up and prove that choosing him was the right choice... a real dissapointment just like the End.
@@alfredpierre7154 that plot point was inconsistent from the get go when only Armin was being effected you didn't see renier start acting like his predecessor nor did you see proco suddenly start simping for historia nor did we see eren wanting to restore the eldian empire the plot point was dumb and just like the Kyomi shit it died on arrival
Erwin, Hange, The scouts, Eren, died for nothing. Paradis gets wiped out. Mikasa hooks up with Jean. The titan curse isnt ended. Basically the whole series meant nothing. If there really is going to be an Attack on Titan sequel, it should just be named “Attack on Titan” because the whole series was meaningless. To the people who thought the ending was good: what do you have to say now?
I liked the ending before the extra pages, because the Titans disappeared, eventhough it was bittersweet Eren managed to rescue his friends and home. After those extra pages I hate it, everything just seems useless now.
The theme of Attack of Titan is that violence creates violence. Eldian invasion of Marley created Marley hatred for Eldia. Marley mistreated the remaining Eldians after the empire collapsed. This caused Eren Yeager to choose violence. The story won't make thematic sense if this doesn't cause global hatred and resentment. Only when both sides choose to forgive can there be peace, like when Mr.Braus chose to forgive Gabbi or when Armin chose to forgive Annie. In Eren's own words, those that choose to behave like animals, get what they fucking deserve.
I have said this before but Armin should have started his own faction that wants world peace by destroying Marley military and allied forces. A faction that clashed with the jaegerist and overall goal is to make a treaty for peace of course his plan would have problems but it would have made armin better.
That would have made his character better, but sounds highly unrealistic. More people would be for guaranteed protection (Eren) than uncertain peace (Armin) and that faction would have been drowned out easily.
@@yetanothersimplehumanbeing3245 in this version Armin would start acting like Erwin plus many or most of his friends would join. Either way Armins faction would still be disliked by the military so he would have to go rouge too. His plan would be to release 100 wall titans his plan would be to make peace with his enemies and become allies with Marleys enemies. I think this could work if the island is divided on Erens and Armins side in fact Armins faction would be more strategic and makes good logical arguments against the jaegerists it fits his charcter.
@@cheesy-hamburger3220 that sound very unrealistic. Armin having a faction? Do you really think anyone want to join Armin faction. At chapter 125 the civilian even understand the situation that if Eren didn't active the rumble, the paradise island will be slaughterd. I bet some military police, survey corps and garrison some of them think the same way. It really be hilarious Armin standing on the stage or up top of the house to try to give speech to all civilian or even try ti the survey corps and says "people of the eldian we need to stop Eren because he's going to wipe all humanity outside the wall". What the will civilian and other think about Armin? I bet they say "why? Why would we stop Eren when all outside the world want to slaughterd every eldian on the island". Armin will not get a faction but of course his friend Mikasa and other. But, when Armin the speech want to stop Eren civilian and other will think that Armin is a traitor the of the paradise island he swore to protect.
@@kerubim402 It’s not about whether he’d be successful. Just attempting to start a faction to actually do something about the rest of the world would inherently make Eren less justified with the rumbling without having to give him bs powers or ridiculous motivations. Eren would be unwilling to trust the world and prefer the certainty of the rumbling, while Armin would want to give the world a chance at peace even though it would have a chance to blow up in their faces. Armin’s canonical plan (make friends) would require them to make upwards of 20,000 allies every day for 50 years (that’s one ally every 5 seconds). This is made even more ridiculous by the fact that half of the people who became their “allies” are literally just trying to poison them with Zeke’s spinal fluid. If he had an actual realistic plan (like Zeke’s) that had at least a decent chance at their safety, Eren’s villainy would simply be the contrast. Still possible to understand, but mainly driven by inherent fear and distain towards their enemies. But in the end, Eren’s plan made too much sense. So instead of having his motivation be a combination of his desire for freedom, to protect his friends and his country, and the trauma from both his own life on top of every other Attack titan’s. Even his rejection of Zeke’s plan makes sense when you consider Mikasa always wanted a family ever since her parents died. But now he’s revealed to be apathetic about whether his friends live, about whether the titans continue to exist, and about most stuff. The only thing he seems to care about in 139 (being with Mikasa) is also something he spends the entire season GUARANTEEING doesn’t happen.
All the side characters were different after the time skip. And only motivation was to stop eren when before the time skip they all wanted the best for each other
What was even the point of the character developments some characters like Jean and Armin went through in the uprising arc, where they had to kill humans for their sake? That was also morally wrong, but they STILL had to do it right? So why did they again become moralistic idealists, claiming peace every now and then? "Those who can't sacrifice anything, can't change anything" what was the point of this line? They knew very well the outside world are their enemies, so they should have supported Eren right? But instead they betrayed him?
Armin post time skip is a great representation of the people who bash the yeagerists, illogical, too idealistic, no real plan or solution for the problem at hand.
Erwin slapping Levi's hand away was not an admission that he wanted Armin to live. Its was an adrenaline reaction, we know this because his next muttering isnt to let him die, its a re-statement of his dream. Also didnt you yourself also say that "letting him rest" was terrible reasoning in 139?
Yeah it would have been a bit corny if he said “no... use it on armin” but I always interpreted that scene that way. And yes I did say that.. I never said it wasn’t terrible reasoning in this video. What are you trying to challenge?
I've always had this strange feeling for armin after the time skip yet I never knew how to put it into words. I always felt like something about his character just wasn't right- he felt more or less like a shell of who he once was. Something about his character just rubbed me the wrong way and I never knew how to describe it but this video!! Oh my gosh! This is EXACTLY how I felt about his character!
I'm glad someone is benefitting from this terrible ending. Thank you for being a mass.. I mean, for spreading the truth. Also, the video quality was great 🔥
Remember in South Park's Imaginationland when Butters tried to Talk no Jutsu the terrorists, and it completely failed?! That's how Armin's attempts should've gone down!
@@distantseaI can't believe the fucking Mayor of Imaginationland didn't know that Butters, being a real person, can save Imaginationland by imagining things, which come to life in Imaginationland!
The change in Armin's personality could be partially justified by Bertholdt's memories, as Eren notices, but if that was the case it should've been developed better. Everything else is just inexcusable, especially chapter 139. In the end he was made into an idiot along with everyone else.
Yh that would be a good side story but Isayama limited him self in the story as the last chapter should be 139 coz of meaning. But fuck never limit urself in a story unless u have good intentions to. I wish it would have been like 10 chapters more to develop slimiest each character but noooooooo
yes the whole bertholt shit is just a lame excuse for ruining a good character Even better if yams wanted to include something having to do with bert and armin juxtaposing eachother it couldve been done so well. We could've gotten to Bertholdt' s memories through Armin seeing how he was able to have both perspectives and sympathize with the marleyans and warriors adding emotional impact to the destruction of liberio and his choice to go against eren in the end for the sake of the rest of the world instead of only wanting to protect paradis.
This is why I say that Bert should’ve won serumbowl, Armin and Erwin both had beautiful conclusions to their characters and arcs and there wasn’t really anything to be had going forward with them that would’ve improved their character. Bert however actually had a massive character development and has some interesting views and stakes with the story. It would be fascinating to watch RtS Bert and someone like s4 Eren or reiner encounter each other. It would also be interesting to see how Armins death affects the scouts. It could have been used in the same way that Sasha’s death was, but now we just have him wandering around as a static character...
Seeing Eren beat the shit out of Armin reminded me that there was actually no imaginary force stopping Mikasa from helping Armin. Her love for Eren allowed her to watch him brutalize her other friend 🤣🤣
Majority of Chapter 90 - 139 was pointless. Why didn't Zeek just go to the island in chapter 90 and their plan would've started. There was no need for the attack on Liberio and the 80% Rumbling. Probably the Coup d'etat was necessary, although the military were prepared to follow Zeeks plan anyways. My honest opinion Eren looks bad because Armins character was reduced to a bystander. What happened to "Armin always comes up with the best solution no matter what", I honestly expected him to reach Lelouch level planning abilities.
The reason why Zeke and eren had to attack Liberio is probably because he can't just easily get out of there since he lives in a place where he is surrounded by walls and will be killed if he gets out. And the world was gonna attack paradis very soon so they did that to be able to spend time for their plan.
Even then, almost immediately after the attack Marley found out that Zeke has escaped. So the whole farce with Zeke being sliced by Levi was pointless.
it only just occured to me. how does one fall in love with someone who killed my friends and comrades, and is partially responsible for my family and millions more starving and and being killed? and it's not like i was told this info, i SAW it. bruh.
Honestly, even though Armin is my favorite character in Attack on Titan, I can’t help but agree with you here. Erwin was definitely the better choice, because he wasn’t afraid to give up soldiers to achieve his goals. Armin, on the other hand, is incredibly indecisive and naive all throughout Season 4. I do believe that Seasons 1-3 Armin was better than Season 4 Armin, because everything that Armin said in Season 4 was really contradictory. In short, Erwin was probably the better choice. Even though Armin is still my favorite character, the shit he does in Season 4 proves he wasn’t the better choice.
Your video essays are top tier ong. I wanted to add something, but you literally hit every single point in this video. Armin's lesson about sacrifice played no role in the ending because he didn't do anything. Other people like Hange and Zeke made sacrifices meanwhile Armin sat there like a dope. A very disappointing character in the end. Hope to see you make more aot videos fr.
a child and teenager rooting armin and love him, before armin was my fav charater in aot and i would choose armin over erwin, but boy, how naive and stupid i was before then.
Armin: "People who are unable to abandon anything will fail to bring any change. If it's required to overcome monsters one must toss aside their humanity." Eren did just that and what did you do Armin?
armin let us down. i wanted erwin to live but due to armins past achievements i thought he would come up with plans or at least be a good candidate. Hangi was more of a scientist than a strategist otr planner and judgement . Now i realize he was a bad choice when season 4 in the chapter started. Erwin would of had a plan and too ka risk. erwin gambles but he usually wins his gambles. I have yet to see him lose on his gamble.
I loved everything about Armin and his character development from S1 - S3. I lost all interest in his character reaching the manga past that. Apart from the fabulous entrance as the colossal titan nuking the ports, there was nothing enticing about him left. Him punching Eren twice simply for hurting Mikasas feelings in situations when absolutely everything else was more important had me wondering for a moment if this ending was heading for some stupid twist of Armin being in love with Mikasa. Brilliant video, if someone had told me some years ago that we'd get a "happy ending" for Armin with him being alive and getting a love interest and being seen as a hero I would have said hooray, but I would have never anticipated such a horrible execution to lead down that path.
I'mma be honest when I first read the ending of Assassinate our Heroes, I was actually neutral towards the ending. Then these 8 pages happened, and now I am firmly in the hate camp: I honestly hope Kodancha doesn't try to pull some sequel crap with this
In fact, at that table, he tried to argue, but eren started to offend mikasa, something that armin, before and after the timeskip would never allow, Armin is mostly logical, however He has his moments of stress, the difference now is that before he cried, now he hits others when they don't correspond to "his logic", and I hate him for that.
@@saintitchief armin is not exactly stood there, are u blind? He literally punch eren. Mikasa is armin bestfriend, if anyone ever talk shit bout my best friend, i would punch them in the gut. Are u telling me that armin should sit still not even mad like a fckg robot with no emotion. I admit i disapointed that erwin isnt survive, but thats becoz eren and mikasa irrational emotional selfishness that i knew where it came from.
Here's another way the story completely shit itself with Armin, and how he was supposed to be "the one who will save humanity". If Erwin had been revived instead of Armin, it's been speculated that he'd do a far better job of negotiating and forming alliances with outside nations. Yet in the timeline where Armin, the story's 'hero' survives, the world has the absolute worst possible outcome. Eren massacres 80% of life on Earth, and Paradis becomes a fascist militia out of fear of the outside world retaliating. If that ain't an insult to Armin, I don't know what is!
The argument in this video is the same as when a friend from middle school says "you've changed" in college. Like NO SHIT its called growth not hypocrisy.
Isayama sensei intentionally regressed armin character. Pre ts armin was a idealist with solution to back support his ideals. Post ts armin is a double down on his ideals but double back with solution supporting his ideals. He just want things to work out. And flat out ignoring the reality of the situation. To the point he ultimately turn his back on his own people just to chase his ideals.
You know. Just listening from you I'm learning so much about Armin than just watching him in the anime development. And I just realized how he was nerfed post timeskip andd be just that passive Character that reacts rather than act. Isayama could learn something from this video.
Armin also pushed Eren to the brink of destruction by implanting in his head he had to throw his humanity. And we know the result. And was never successful really....
at 139 i rly felt that eren deserved more and armin deserved less and i agree with you man, isa rly had to dumb zeke down so armin could defeat him so easily.. they should have gone back into zeke's memories or something at least..
Only 1/3 way through but this video is nicely edited, I was getting chills from the 1st Armin comp. But man it just made me realise why I loved AOT. Still can’t believe Isayama ended his story with 139 😪
Doesn't fight anyone ever but he swings on the one person that gave his LIFE to save him multiple times, but those who want to kill him? Nah we must make peace, even if the outside world doesn't want it. Armin is so goofy post timeskip
He was 10 years old when he said that and eventually grew tf up literally before that he murdered hundreds of thousands for EREN'S sake he punched Eren for Mikasa's sake and for the fact that Eren caused so much pain within the scouts including one that leads to Sasha dying
I think what happens to Armin should be pretty obvious. The fourth option is, he cracks under the huge pressure of filling Erwin's boots. It becomes obvious from when he wakes up after Shiganshina that he's shaken about being chosen. At the medal ceremony it becomes painfully obvious that he believes he shouldn't have been chosen, but now under all the pressure of replacing erwin as lead strategist, his best friend becoming a genocidal maniac, and the same friend seemingly betraying him and mikasa. He snaps. The table scene is the first time he snaps, but we see it in the jail cell too and in the plane, and in his conversation in 139. However, we also see in 139 that the lifting of this pressure gives him relief, and he goes right back to his logical best, in a repeat of the scene from trost, stopping the military from shooting all the eldians with logical reasoning. So yeah while he's a hypocrite post time skip, there is a very good well written reason for it. That he does eventually overcome.
I see your point but its still pretty disappointing that he doesn't become himself again until the very final chapter. We can't even enjoy watching him in this new confident state because the story is essentially over. We just have to assume he does better than he did before.
@@Churi_Tri I hope he did, if I were in his shoes, my sense or morality and overall judgement would be very screwed up as well. I'm only 3 years younger than he is currently after all. I think same would be said for just about anyone. Yeah his character probably wasn't written the greatest but at the same time, your mindset being put through a washing machine by guilt, pressure, war, betrayal and literally BILLIONS of lives in your hands does make sense.
Armin's arc ended during the return to Shinganshina: he had finally stepped out of his cowardly shell and finally gave his life to save Eren rather than the other way around. I remember almost biting my nails during the serumbowl cause I was legit convinced Yams wouldn't bring Armin back. I respected his decision, it was extremely ballsy to kill off on off your main three protagonists like that. Though, of course Hajime decided not to. I remember feeling disappointed, like really? I thought Snk wasn't going to be a cliché shounen? Then after that all we got from Isayama for his development was just Armin whining about not being good enough to replace Erwin? Armin as a character really fell through post timeskip, as did almost every single other member of the main cast.
"Eren is certainly the most disappointing character in attack on titan, armin is a strong second place" at this point, I ligetabely agree with anything this man says
The one moment that made me despise Armin from the bottom of my heart is that part of 139 where he LIES about killing Eren, making a revisionist story about how they were the hero and Eren the villain. The exact thing as Willy Tyber with the Helos story. He actively betrayed what I thought the character supposed to meant, as the narrator of the anime & inheritor of Erwin's vocation as an historian. If Armin was a real hero, he would have survive to tell the true story. Modifying history to suit a narrative only caused trouble for the entire story and is what led the whole boogaloo to happen. Attack on Titan didn't tell anything, the characters were meaningless and the "endless cycle" explanation is bullshit. Also it's just not cathartic on a storytelling stand point but I digress
I honestly feel like Armin is only considered intelligent because it's the role that he's supposed to play but none of the ideas he comes up with are ever necessarily something that's extremely intelligent or even out of the realm of possibility for other characters to come to the same conclusion. It just seems like other characters are made to be dumb in specific situations so that Armin can shine. Armin can best be seen as intuitive (IMO). He never has the leadership skills to do anything other than offer a suggestion. His best moment is when he paralleled Erwin's suicide attack with his own as it's the only path to victory that he can forge. That would've been the perfectly moment from where the timeskip happens and Armin could have developed better leadership skills while still taking his more calculated, cautious approach to fighting. That should've been the main difference between him and Erwin as commanders. Erwin was willing to sacrifice any and everyone to achieve a goal while Armin was not. I still think his character overall would not have been fit for commander and Jean should have honestly been the one to take on that role with Armin playing the role of advisor. It's not seen as a glorious role but just because you're one of the MCs doesn't mean that you should be forced into a role that doesn't naturally suit the character's personality. You demonstrated both the pros and cons of Armin as a character and why he worked when you brought up the example of him fleeing to get help while Eren and Mikasa stayed behind. His traits complimented theirs. He ended up being wasted potential. Geez. What a word vomit but I needed to get that out. lmao
Finally a logical conclusion and analysis for armin. He is one of my most hated character. How could he fall in love with Annie after all that happened. Clearly then he isnt logical and his decisions are emotional.
11:48 This certain panel always confuses the shit out of me. What exactly is Armin referring to here? ala "Did you think you could get away with simply saying *'forget about me'* " I bold the last part because if Armin is referring to the panels that were showed to us in chapter 138 (ala Mikasa and Eren running away panels)....how did he even know about that? Honest question!
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Bro eren is also a hypocrite. He killed millions upon millions but in the end he tells armin he doesn't want to die as well. Bruhhh
Armin should have changed after killing civilians at Marley.
Eren should have also killed him, let me explain why.
He had potential to grow as a character, but is instead scrapped into a jail cell for a good portion of the story.
Erwin, Bertholdt, his family, and his rebirth should have changed his views on his dreams and values for peace.
His character arc and the story could've been the following:
After sadly witnessing the harm and destruction he has caused at Marley, Armin internalizes his vow to never again use his Titan powers for violence nor put himself in a position to be forced to by Eren or the military, thus he eventually leaves his friends to travel the world to learn how to bring peace to Eldians' legacy. This desire is also reinforced after seeing the past colossal shifters memories of pain and torment (recall Armin's dream of the collosal Titan crying), deciding to end the cursed fate of the colossal Titan's use for violence. The fact that he was forced back to life and that Erwin's and his parent's dreams were never fully recognized due to violence, later pushes him to change his dream to travel the world in the search for peace.
Prior to leaving his friends, during the table incident between the main three cast members, Armin scolds Eren for hurting Mikasa's feelings, and proceeds to punch Eren, stopping himself at the last second (and of course, shortly right after, Mikasa slams Armin to the table).
Later as Eren walks away, Armin yells at Eren for forcing him to end innocents' lives and hurting Mikasa, and points out that Eren is being a slave to violence, and that his name will forever breed more violence long after he's dead.
Eren loses his composure for a second and then becomes angry, proceeding to break Armin's face, Mikasa cries and begs for Eren to stop and is unable to bring herself to hurt Eren or stop him.
Later that night, Armin uses his powers to escape the jail, and asks Mikasa to leave Eren because he and the Yeagerists are on a path of violence in which they need to stop him, but she replies that she can't leave Paradise because she loves Eren. Armin decides that due to public support for Eren among the walls, that his best option is to flee temporarily.
(note: Marley doesn't attack Paradise quickly after Eren's surprise attack, due to Eren's threat of the rumbling)
Later on, when Eren is about to eliminate the rest of the world, (after Eren's rumbling form has been destroyed by other means) Armin appears to stop Eren one last time.
It's revealed that behind the scenes, Armin has been providing the whereabouts/intel on Eren to governments, in order to reduce casualties.
In their colossal Titan forms, Armin argues on the hypocrisy of Eren, using hints revealed throughout the story to show that Eren is only pretending to be evil, that he must be a slave not only to violence but to his role, his destiny as well, cracking Eren's fake persona open. Eren's and Armin's conversation is being broadcasted to the world, (either through radio or through the paths somehow) and we see how Eren's mind has degenerated in the past 24 hours he has spent reducing the world population.
Having multiple shifters' memories and Ymir's power is partially why he struggles to retain his character as well.
Eren retaliates and kills Armin in the same manner his mother was eaten.
A flood of memories strikes Eren as he sees memories of Armin traveling the world and meeting new people with different cultures, faiths, and lifestyles.
He's crushed with these memories and is in shock/pause when he realizes that Armin truly cared for the world.
Mikasa is moved by Armin's words but when his death occurs, she is in horror.
She realizes that sometimes violence really is justified when peace is met with violent individuals.
She resolves herself to end Eren's life because she loves him and doesn't want him to suffer or create more suffering on others anymore (she laments that if only she were braver to confess her feelings to Eren earlier under the stars, and braver to stop the fight between Armin and Eren during the table scene; she always had the freedom to confess her love and should've never used her duties or adoptive ties with Eren as an excuse to hide her feelings for him).
Eren dies with some last thoughts/words to Mikasa asking if a slave like himself can ever be freed or loved, Mikasa tells him that she will always love him no matter what he chooses to do and that he can now finally be free. She kisses Eren goodbye and then receives future memories of an alternative timeline that Eren and herself had together.
The Titan powers end, and we proceed to the flashback between Eren and Armin.
The flashback of that erased conversation consists of Eren lamenting how he can't bend the timeline to how he exactly wants to because people like Armin and Mikasa exist, people who's inherent values for peace and unconditional love do not change because that's what makes them human.
Eren laments that if he doesn't reduce the world population to only Paradisans, that someone else would've done so in his place or sterilize or destroy the Eldians eventually, and that it seems that this was the only way to erase the Titan power for good while also saving the lives and future of Paradise.
Eren accepts his fate and asks Armin one last time not to stand in his way. Armin refuses because it's in his nature to stand up to violence.
Eren argues that Armin will be the reason why humanity will destroy Paradise in the future because it's humanity nature to act in revenge.
Armin states that such a scenario would happen only if Paradise were to push for peace and not become a fascist regime based on violence and fear, that it's also in humanity's nature to act in forgiveness.
Eren hopes Armin is right.
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Feel free to edit it a bit, this is how I felt the story should've gone after watching your video
Armin was my eren when he was chosen as the new colossal I believed Ishyama would prove he deserved it not that he was the better choice but that he deserved to live just as much as Erwin and that he would become a true hero like eren said he would, but in the end he becomes diet Willy tyber he condemns his own people to annihilation to protect his own morality his people continue to live in hell and later are completely eradicated while he got to live in luxury , Apsolutely disgusting I was one of the people who defend Armin who believed he would pull though but I was wrong and you have no idea how much it hurts me to say that .
Bro i got just 1 complaint, you gotta work on your audio mixing, man. I've been watching your videos and the voice recordings are too low. At 6:10, when it transitioned to the music, it blew out my ears haha
@@shy221 thanks i’ll do that
Eren Beat The Character Development Out Of Him ...
He beat him up because armin wasn’t coming up with a plan lol
Armin lost his character development when he started simping for the women who literally tried to kill him and his friends 4 years ago and apparently didn't regret it
@@thatoneblackdude3333 clown behavior, mikasa been in front of him this whole time lol
@@IgboKing forgot mikasa hitch was right there
@@thatoneblackdude3333 he's bipolar because of bert
"Annie remember how you slaughtered 20% population, killed so many of my comrades? That was hot"
- Armin for 4 freaking years.
Let's be real here. The only reason he loves Annie is because she is the only one who can fulfill his fantasy of being stepped on. Remember when he punched Eren. Yeah he only did that because he wanted to get off to Eren beating him up. If Pieck and Annie switched titans, he would love Pieck. He just wanna be stepped on.
@@potatogirlcultist19sister wtf did you make me read
What a man you are!
@@potatogirlcultist19take your meds
Yams-sensei, thank you. You butchered your own ending for the shippers' sake. I promise I won't let the memes go to waste!
Fr
Underrated
You should put a /s so that the people thinking the ending is bad don't assault you for misunderstanding lul
@@Sen-ki- it's already obvious that this is sarcasm though
“Last meme. Make it count”
AoT has shown me how not to end a story, I will take this lesson with me.
And how to write up to an end. But yes this is a good lesson.
AoT has shown me how not to end a story, I promise I won’t let this error go to waste
Or maybe even set up something greater...like an anime original ending?
@@samarjeetbhonsle6000
not possible due to production had already started!!
@@marshalsoult3860 it's still possible lol they began Part 2's pre production back in October 2020
I wish post-timeskip they would've made Armin a bit more realistic/pessimistic about the situations they are in - he just seems so naive to the world. Especially after he literally got burned to a crisp and nearly died. You'd think nearly dying and having so many burdens placed upon you would alter your personality a bit.
Post timeskip Armin was so out of character this is the same guy who said in order to beat monsters you have to become a monster but now he's all " let's just talk this out guys "
@@thatoneblackdude3333 seriously though I didn't mind Armin being naive in the beginning. But after nearly dying and realizing the reality of the world you'd think he'd abandon some of his former idealistic self. Obviously not like Eren, but similar. I also wish he didn't fall in love with Annie, or at least it wasn't by choice. It was influence from Bertholdt's memories and feelings. Like that would be an interesting internal struggle for him.
@@mboseman2895 the thing is Armin was probably the least naive he knew how corrupt the government was , he defended Erwin during the fight with the female titan, and while he made a big deal about killing people he was the first one in the 104th to draw blood without hesitation Armin was naive but it was in a realistic way not this lets hold hands and sing cumbaya nonsense
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Yeah, I see. I feel after the time skip he definitely turned into the let's hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
@@mboseman2895 he was Apsolutely changed post timeskip him and hange got shafted to make eren and friends look good only to turn eren into the biggest clown of all ridiculous
Imagine if Armin really died in RtS. It would've gone down to history as one of the most impactful and memorable deaths in manga ever, and it would've shaken every reader to the core, essentially declaring that not even the protagonist's closest acquaintances had plot armor.
In the end , even pieck had plot armour
Reiner is the only one who have a plot armor
@@fckyo7789 read 137-139 again
@@skycendre257 they all have
sorry
But the strongest plot armor is reiner
@@fckyo7789 Reiner was the most blatant yeah. The whole "he transferred his mind into his body" was such a "wtf are you on bro" moment. It would've been more believable to just say "titan shifters don't fucking die even if you kill them" and call it a day.
Armin fell in love with the woman who destroyed his home town, the woman who killed 20 percent of humanity inside the walls, the woman who was responsible for armin grandfather death( to shave off starvation. If she did came to paradis his grandpa would still be alive).the woman who almost kidnapped your best friend, the woman who almost killed jean and she turned most of his comrades into a yo-yo🗿
she killed 60% of the human population between the walls not 20%, with bertholt and reiner of course not alone, and yes annie also said if she had to do it again she would, this character clearly lacks empathy....
@@adelMN2 and she got a happy ending…
I get it that armin was influenced by bertolts memories but still that shit was so corny and the panel of armin saying “im the one who killed the attack titan” and annie blushing was corny asf
@Zavphkuiel That’s makes it even worse. Sucky writing indeed.
Yes this story just doesn’t make sense
Armin sucks after timeskip
especially after 139
True AF
He was pathetic even before ch 139.
Armin: *angry at Eren for being a mass slaughterer*
Also Armin: "Eren, thank you for being a mass slaughterer for our sake''
logic; 100
I'm not as mad at the ending as many others are but goddamn if that wasn't one of the worst lines I have ever read in any piece of media ever.
I could forgive so much, even the stupid Armin-Annie stuff but lines like this one are just unforgivably bad.
And the fact he went with the flow and let his "" FORMER BEST FRIEND Die instead convincing him to find another way he did ask him to stop but went on with the flow like its nothing
@@Hanfgurkenhasser might be late but he’s mad at Eren for doing the rumbling but he appreciates him for doing for the sake of his friends
@@potatomaster3347 He didn't even know if they'd survive, though.
Armin is so out of character after the timeskip like wtf, he lost his hair and himself.
He became burtelt
@@snip639 bertl had more sense than post time skip armin
@@mysticdemon6339 basically he just a fusion of both
BERMIN
Like the story of sampson nd delilah...
@@youdonthavetolikemeiloveme3621 ?
Post-Timeskip Armin: Who are you?
Pre-Timeskip Armin: I'm you, but smarter.
They practically aren't even the same people
Am I the only one who noticed armin didn’t do jack shii after being resurrected? I was always amazed at armin for his ideas and was really looking forward to seeing him in season 4. I was mad at the beginning for him simping on Annie, and I got a lot of hate for that. Armin and Annie are not meant to be together
AoT is a Romance anime bro, of course shipping should be the first priority! 😀
not only you. there are many that think armin is a waste after being resurrected. seriously. bertolt could have live lmao.
They hate you because you spoke the truth.
@@zenldh or Erwin. Erwin would have been so much better
Back in the days when Levi saved him.........i told my cousin right then and there that Erwin should have been the one to be saved(even though I had not read any manga at the Time)..............deep down i always knew saving him was a mistake.
Armin was actually my favorite character pre timeskip but now he’s just a disappointing character that gets everything
Same people talking about erens character assassination but yams ruin Armin as well
Same :/
I hate Armin ever since the Attack on Marley arc like bitch what exactly do you want? Freedom or Subjugation? He was talking about peace so much that he forgot what their actual goal was, he even forgave Annie for her actions and became a simp of her same goes for Hange that bitch was annoying as hell good she died in the rumbling
@@pratyushnaigaonkar3208 For real.
@@pratyushnaigaonkar3208 true
Armin. Just like everyone else in the story are wasted potential.
There really was a time where I thought Levi made the right choice. But season 4 fucked it allll up.
Levi made the right choice: he let Erwin rest in peace and saved him from this ending :)
@@nanadidjana2499 Yeah, but also Armin did almost nothing at the end. I'd rather have Erwin being with Levi and learning the truth.
@@zhulimoon46 I would have paid to have Erwin slap Eren into adulthood and meet with Willy 🤣 but you know... there's so much Armin could do with Erens shenanigans... and a fascist island 🙃
@@nanadidjana2499 Erwin meeting Yelena would have been epic tho IMAGINE
Fr sameee
Actually, Eren and Armin would've made a great antithesis to each other, they could've been an amazing rival after time-skip.
Eren focus on the negativity of the world and Armin focus on the positive note. This clash of ideology could've made the Rumbling arc much deeper in philosophy, not some surface-level conversation we got in chapter 139
That would've been so amazing but just another missed opportunity
@@ascendedsavage7040 Absolutely. Kinda thought Isayama stutter to make them a complete enemy
@@mikenogen I think this wouldn't work because of the founder titan.
Well I’ve got good news for you. Just read AOT No Requiem.
@@ArcherBlades of course I've already read it 😁. Way better than the canon story.
If the sea was polluted Armin would have supported the rumbling.
😂😂
i think for all the people who support the alliance just need to see the way armin was talking to annie then see the way she flattened petra as she screamed for help
for anyone whos scene breaking bad, without given much away i wish armin had more of a chess game with eren like how season 4 of breaking bad went.
if we gave up a character like erwin for armin, you have to show how big his contribution can be.
Armin went really down after season 3...he even lost his strongest feature: intelligence...
@@manuelbonelli3690 he drank that UMI DA shit too much. those think are filled with salt god damnmit arrumin
"turns out that he was no hero after all, he was just a Hypocrite" this qoute is so good
Lets just question what is your definition of "Hero", and lets compare it to the Hero you meet in real life. Don't they hypocrite?
@@adampermana4695 well we are not talking about real world
You should do an Historia Reiss video talking about her correlation with Ymir Fritz and her child becoming a reincarnated Ymir. I still feel Mikasa connection with The founder Ymir was sudden and unexplained.
The founding titan/Historia was always hinted throughout the manga but was pushed aside for.... fan purposes.
yeah im making a ymir video that will delve into these topics
I feel it was to please anime only watchers who started reading after 115 and not readers who have read the manga for a while now
Bcoz ymir and Mikasa were both slaves to their love...ymir saw herself in Mikasa...
@hi ? he is not saying it doesn't make sense. But tha it was an explained and could/should have been hunted more....in fact it appeared only in the last chapter with two lines...
For the people that say Erwin wouldn't be capable of killing his enemies across the sea think of this, Erwin was capable to sacrifice his own people for the cause, and Armin is supposed to be the pacifist yet he was capable of using the colossal titan to destroy his enemies in Marley. Imagine what Erwin would have done to save Eldia. I would love to see that happen ☹️
If Erwin was chosen then he would have ended the war in mere days.
He would have probably solved the problem without even using the rumbling
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Not neccessarily. Erwin always said after the titans are gone/threats are limited he would also focus on other outside threats. We can see that these 'outside threats' would be the outside world and Marleyians who want the Eldians to be eradicated. So if all other methods of negotiations are gone, he can resort to a full on battle if he could.
@@maxnotwell7853 I said he would solve the issue without the rumbling I never said he wouldn't do any or wouldn't fight back I said with his level of intelligence he would secure paridis future without needing to resort to the rumbling since the only reason eren did it was because the scouts couldn't find any other way and the only one who probably could (Erwin) is dead Its an act of desperation which wouldn't exist if he was alive
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Ok but how would he solve the issue in your opinion?
I'm glad he was killed off. Isayama might ruin his character as well.
I feel so bad for the fandom
I feel like a lot of those people who said if the leaks were real the ending would be horrible (both times) instantly switched up when they were real "Nah it's still peak bozo"
I will fucking...
Armin bombing Marley’s port, stepping on hundreds of lives to retrieve Eren:
“If we failed, we can’t have a future”
Eren rumbling the world to save Paradis:
“No, you can’t just commit genocide for our sake”
“Oh wait, for our sake? Thank you”
This guy is so hypocritical to the point that while motive and action is the same, he has the audacity to say “You really love this hell huh Eren?” because his kill counts are lower. Then that thank you line is the worst thing I have read. Would love if anyone give me a more cringe dialogue that that
Pretty late here, but it would have been better if aside sheer gut morality, armin admitted he was selfish...
in the regard, eren is destroying the rest of the world, and thus the knowledge and experiences he always yearned for...so unlike eren who cares the most for his people and his own prerogatives curtailment, and is clearly willing to forsake that knowledge if needed to avoid it... armin leans for the latter, and thus would be willing to sacrifice the island for it.
In short, a self realization for him like the ones reiners or erens got.
Armin went from moral relativism to moral myopia.
Armin before the table scene: Criticises Gabi and Eren for always going, "Kill, kill, kill".
Armin during the table scene:
I wish Erwin was here
He died before the writing went to shit. I’m glad he didn’t get butchered like armin
Erwin and Floch got saved from the character assassination
I find it so funny that the characters that died are better written characters than the ones alive 😂😂😂
@@ayesha_h Lmao that made me realize that Floch survived once again
@@ayesha_h and bertolt and jaw Ymir and porco
This dudes editing is immaculate
Music is a bit too loud tho
I’m honestly glad that Erwin’s dead simply for the fact that his character wouldn’t be butchered like how Armin’s and Eren’s were.
Kinda reminds me of Tywin Lannister, except Erwin went out like a badass.
Hard agree
@@Hanfgurkenhasser
Tyrion was then ruined in subsequent seasons.
People who liked the ending be like
Before the 8 pages:
“Eren’s goal was to end the Titan curse! He achieved it! So symbolic!”
After the 8 pages:
“Actually his goal was to make sure his friends live long happy lives of course! He never cared about paradis’s future, the cycle of hatred, or the Titan powers 😂‼️”
Actually that makes him even more pathetic. If he wanted his friends to live long lives, he could've accepted Zeke's plan 😂 There was literally no need for him to Rumble
People after the 8 pages: Eren just wanted his friends to live long lives!! Are you a speed reader!?! 🤣🤣😤😤
EREN’S OWN WORDS IN 139: I wrapped my friends into this war WITHOUT KNOWING IF THEY WOULD SURVIVE OR NOT!
Eren gambled his friends lives just like he did with Paradis. So people cannot use this excuse lol
@@squigglypop8748 You can debunk pretty much any excuse people can think of. That's how bad it is :D
@@RainSennin_ismyAlt Fr and he literally caused the death of hange and Sasha so idk how anyone can say he only cared about his friends.
He still acheived eliminating the titams
I can't let AoT go no matter how hard I try........ awww man.... what could've been. :/
Aot no requem will bring salvation to the fanbase
@@thatoneblackdude3333 It's so true! hahah I am counting down the days. CAN'T WAIT!
Same. I don’t have a problem with just simply ignoring the ending, I really enjoy everything else🤷🏾♂️
Same I think of it everyday,it's affecting me
I loved these characters so much
I never even shipped anybody,
I believed in Eren
After this ending, I've stopped watching anime now
@@Prakhar0712 I believed in him too.... :( I get exactly how you feel.....
Armin was a good character, pre time skip i like him the most tbh, isayama just assassinated everyone...damn, this is so sad...btw the dub is goated, ty for choosing it for this vid. Great analysis of armins character, good job.
A dub lover and not a sub elitist! Thank you! (I watch both sub and dub I'm just not a fan of sub elitists)
armin was legit an A tier character before rumbling arc, he would've been S tier if yams did the right things and let him sacrifice himself during the Bertolt fight, it also would've upped the stakes in the story for one of the mc's to die and it makes more sense plot wise and thematically for Levi to have revived Erwin.
Armin has that "I'm the MC's friend!" plot armour so killing him would have made AoT a very special anime, so yams decided nope lol. Also Armin had to see the OcEaN so no dying before that
Imagine the conflict that eren could have against levi if he didnt revive armin.
A-Tier before the time skip, not the rumbling arc
@@rickchakraborty2087 I feel like it would have been better for him to theoretically found the ocean instead, like he does and when Eren makes it he would say something like "I made it, Armin" or maybe mikasa cause Eren was kinda crazy at that point. I feel like that would have made the scene better
@@rickchakraborty2087 You made me think of something. Imagine if Armin really died, he couldn't have seen the sea obviously, but Eren would've. Given he got his father's memories beforehand, him realizing the sea wasn't freedom would've made it much heavier. Armin's aspirations were nothing more but just another wall, and Eren thinking about that would've broken him much more.
"On the other side of the sea, there are enemies. If we kill all of them, will we be finally free?"
Mouth dropped at the last couple of lines. We really are a mirror to the characters in the series how were all supposed to just ignore the fact that Armin isn’t a real hero. Armin’s biggest strength in the manga was bluffing i guess. He bluffed that they were torturing Annie, he bluffed that he wasn’t going to sacrifice himself to kill Bert, and now he bluffed that he killed Eren. His strategies went from well thought out plans to straight up bluffing and winging it. Not one character had character progression in this series and the only one who did, Eren, was retconned, and now allegedly no he didn’t he’s that same boy with the idealistic views and binary thinking. Bull
If Levi knew how this was how things were gonna turn out letting Armin live instead of Erwin, he would've chose Erwin without a second thought. Though I'm glad he didn't because it would be Erwins' character being dragged through the mud, not Armin.
@@LovesMJ4ever Just thinking of Erwin being written as a pathetic character in the time-skip instead of Armin gives the chill.
He literally got spared from this horrible outcome.
Hold on. There was at least one character that had progression without being thoroughly ruined, and that character was Floch the patriot. Actually, every character that developed properly and died before the 139 retcon was far more consistent and well-written than the ones who made it to Ch. 139. Ppl like Erwin, Sasha, Levi Squad are better characters at this point.
Yup. A character as minor as Floch ended up being more well-written than the main ones. That's just sad.
Post time skip Armin is embarrassing. Armin's devolution should have been our red flag that this series was going downhill.
Lots of red flags. For example, the political scenes in the Marlay arc were so unrealistic that it now seems to be basically a deliberate attempt to create the conditions for rumbling. War is an extreme manifestation of complex social contradictions, yet the leaders of those hegemonic countries just suddenly put aside their conflicts and support Tybur, almost like writing a high school fight.
The scenario of Eren inciting his father is also far-fetched; it was clearly an oppressive society that led to the death of Grisha's sister, but Isayama seems to blame the problem on Grisha for starting the story. Even if Marlay had not destroyed the walls, Grisha wouldn't give up his fight if he was a qualified revolutionary.
Yams trying to make us sympathize with Marley side despite the fact that we've spent 100 chapters with Eldians was the biggest red flag of them all.
I don't give a shit about Reiner, I don't give a shit about Falco and I sure as shit don't give a shit about Gabi. I just don't, I'm sorry.
@@HyakuJuu01300 I think the real reason the story suffered is because Isayama was done with it. 139 is way too early into the series and I've been feeling this way since it ended. The rumbling was very rushed
@@robocu4 I agree. Especially the last 3/4 chapters.
@@HyakuJuu01300 I don't think they were trying to make us sympathize with Marley. They were trying to make us sympathize with the warriors.
And also one big theme of the show is there are two sides to every story, and the story would be more boring if we just stuck with paradise being goody two shoes good guys and Marley as the big bad evil villains that needs to be stopped. If they went that route, it would just be another bland shonen series
Correct me if I was wrong on what you were trying to say
One of the big problems with AoT is that the rumbling arc takes the characters deteriorating, not unchanged, but worse.
At the time it seemed that Armin and Erwin displayed a similar core: curiosity ( freedom ) and sacrifice (another level of freedom). Levi's choice is based on his desire for Erwin to rest, but the premise is that Armin is not weaker than Erwin on any level, you can even say Armin's dream is more 'innocent'. But in the end, Armin tells Levi you were fucking wrong.
AOT is the tone of tragedy but makes a farcical ending.
Armin "It's wrong to kill" but still betrays his former comrades kills them to save the world that wants his people exterminated from existence
Who did he kill?
@@ignacioruiz-retegui6196 His planning killed a bunch of Yaegerist, people who were only defending themselves. He also caused Eren’s death, in which, got his entire country wiped out. So ye….
@@kory.j6561 So his plan, not him, ended in their deaths AFTER they tried to kill him (which was not part of his plan). He was totally against killing them and wasn't happy about any of their deaths. Besides, yeaguerists shot at him and his friends first so there's that.
@@ignacioruiz-retegui6196 because his plan was to literally betray Paradis. He’s working with the exact people that slaughtered and ruined ALL of their lives
Armin was my favourite character. I liked him more than Eren. He sucked at fighting but at least he could use his brain.I honestly think that Erwin should have been the one to revive not because Armin was a bad choice but because Erwin was the logical choice (8:39 Erwin didn't refuse the injection, he was raising his hand as if he was in the class. There is an obvious transition in 8:40 to child Erwin in the class of his father) After the time skip Armin character went down hill, he suddenly turned dumb. Let me tell you why? Because Issayama could not make Zeke and Yelena look smart unless he made Hange and Armin look dumb, at least Pixis tried to figure some stuff out before his soldiers turned on him. That's how bad his writing skill turned out to be.
Again Armin turned out to be useless again when he was kidnapped by Ymir. This was his 1st mission ever as a commander, yet Levi had to call all the shots on his behalf. * Really Issyama*
Eren was ruined
Armin was ruined
Hange was ruined
Historia was ruined
Mikasa never had a charater to be ruined
Ymir // // // // // // //
Exactly thats why I couldn't enjoy eren or other people accoceated with him because Ishyama made Armin and hange stupid to make eren and his side look good
Imo Jean's character best suited the role of commander
@@mali24s Nah, it's likely Jean will end up like Hange and Armin if he became a commander
At the time i thought that it was a consequence of him being the next Colossal thus making him more like Berthold i really thought Berthold took him over, and even in the end i was waiting hoping that he would step up and prove that choosing him was the right choice... a real dissapointment just like the End.
@@alfredpierre7154 that plot point was inconsistent from the get go when only Armin was being effected you didn't see renier start acting like his predecessor nor did you see proco suddenly start simping for historia nor did we see eren wanting to restore the eldian empire the plot point was dumb and just like the Kyomi shit it died on arrival
Erwin, Hange, The scouts, Eren, died for nothing. Paradis gets wiped out. Mikasa hooks up with Jean. The titan curse isnt ended. Basically the whole series meant nothing. If there really is going to be an Attack on Titan sequel, it should just be named “Attack on Titan” because the whole series was meaningless. To the people who thought the ending was good: what do you have to say now?
I liked the ending before the extra pages, because the Titans disappeared, eventhough it was bittersweet Eren managed to rescue his friends and home. After those extra pages I hate it, everything just seems useless now.
I agree with you and the reply above me
Biased delusional AoT fanboys will STILL keep praising this garbage 🗑️
Isyama is the type of guy to make you love all these chrecthers then butcherd them
Tony Ferguson style 😂
The theme of Attack of Titan is that violence creates violence.
Eldian invasion of Marley created Marley hatred for Eldia.
Marley mistreated the remaining Eldians after the empire collapsed.
This caused Eren Yeager to choose violence. The story won't make thematic sense if this doesn't cause global hatred and resentment.
Only when both sides choose to forgive can there be peace, like when Mr.Braus chose to forgive Gabbi or when Armin chose to forgive Annie.
In Eren's own words, those that choose to behave like animals, get what they fucking deserve.
I have said this before but Armin should have started his own faction that wants world peace by destroying Marley military and allied forces. A faction that clashed with the jaegerist and overall goal is to make a treaty for peace of course his plan would have problems but it would have made armin better.
That would have made his character better, but sounds highly unrealistic. More people would be for guaranteed protection (Eren) than uncertain peace (Armin) and that faction would have been drowned out easily.
@@yetanothersimplehumanbeing3245 in this version Armin would start acting like Erwin plus many or most of his friends would join. Either way Armins faction would still be disliked by the military so he would have to go rouge too. His plan would be to release 100 wall titans his plan would be to make peace with his enemies and become allies with Marleys enemies. I think this could work if the island is divided on Erens and Armins side in fact Armins faction would be more strategic and makes good logical arguments against the jaegerists it fits his charcter.
@@cheesy-hamburger3220 that sound very unrealistic. Armin having a faction? Do you really think anyone want to join Armin faction. At chapter 125 the civilian even understand the situation that if Eren didn't active the rumble, the paradise island will be slaughterd. I bet some military police, survey corps and garrison some of them think the same way.
It really be hilarious Armin standing on the stage or up top of the house to try to give speech to all civilian or even try ti the survey corps and says "people of the eldian we need to stop Eren because he's going to wipe all humanity outside the wall". What the will civilian and other think about Armin? I bet they say "why? Why would we stop Eren when all outside the world want to slaughterd every eldian on the island".
Armin will not get a faction but of course his friend Mikasa and other. But, when Armin the speech want to stop Eren civilian and other will think that Armin is a traitor the of the paradise island he swore to protect.
@@kerubim402 It’s not about whether he’d be successful. Just attempting to start a faction to actually do something about the rest of the world would inherently make Eren less justified with the rumbling without having to give him bs powers or ridiculous motivations.
Eren would be unwilling to trust the world and prefer the certainty of the rumbling, while Armin would want to give the world a chance at peace even though it would have a chance to blow up in their faces.
Armin’s canonical plan (make friends) would require them to make upwards of 20,000 allies every day for 50 years (that’s one ally every 5 seconds). This is made even more ridiculous by the fact that half of the people who became their “allies” are literally just trying to poison them with Zeke’s spinal fluid.
If he had an actual realistic plan (like Zeke’s) that had at least a decent chance at their safety, Eren’s villainy would simply be the contrast. Still possible to understand, but mainly driven by inherent fear and distain towards their enemies.
But in the end, Eren’s plan made too much sense. So instead of having his motivation be a combination of his desire for freedom, to protect his friends and his country, and the trauma from both his own life on top of every other Attack titan’s. Even his rejection of Zeke’s plan makes sense when you consider Mikasa always wanted a family ever since her parents died.
But now he’s revealed to be apathetic about whether his friends live, about whether the titans continue to exist, and about most stuff.
The only thing he seems to care about in 139 (being with Mikasa) is also something he spends the entire season GUARANTEEING doesn’t happen.
All the side characters were different after the time skip. And only motivation was to stop eren when before the time skip they all wanted the best for each other
Once eren stopped working with the scouts and once they become moralistic idealists I knew something was up
@@thatoneblackdude3333 it’s like they forgot the uprising arc happened lol
What was even the point of the character developments some characters like Jean and Armin went through in the uprising arc, where they had to kill humans for their sake? That was also morally wrong, but they STILL had to do it right? So why did they again become moralistic idealists, claiming peace every now and then? "Those who can't sacrifice anything, can't change anything" what was the point of this line? They knew very well the outside world are their enemies, so they should have supported Eren right? But instead they betrayed him?
@@IgboKing yea everyone thought the uprising arc was foreshadowing the scouts vs the rest of the world. But once arwin died they lost sight of that
@@rickchakraborty2087 yea after the uprising arc I guess that's when he changed the story
Lmao you’re going crazy with these uploads
The real Armin died in RtS, he was replaced by Armong
Armin could've never came up with a plan to defeat Eren's founding titan Nobody had ever seen a titan like that.
Armin post time skip is a great representation of the people who bash the yeagerists, illogical, too idealistic, no real plan or solution for the problem at hand.
I've always thought that Armin's character was butchered post-timeskip. I'm glad someone else agrees.
Erwin slapping Levi's hand away was not an admission that he wanted Armin to live. Its was an adrenaline reaction, we know this because his next muttering isnt to let him die, its a re-statement of his dream. Also didnt you yourself also say that "letting him rest" was terrible reasoning in 139?
Yeah it would have been a bit corny if he said “no... use it on armin” but I always interpreted that scene that way.
And yes I did say that.. I never said it wasn’t terrible reasoning in this video. What are you trying to challenge?
@@saintitchiefAh don't think too much of it. I just thought it was interesting you said so here.
Armin lost his Character Development after cutting his hair😂
I've always had this strange feeling for armin after the time skip yet I never knew how to put it into words. I always felt like something about his character just wasn't right- he felt more or less like a shell of who he once was. Something about his character just rubbed me the wrong way and I never knew how to describe it but this video!! Oh my gosh! This is EXACTLY how I felt about his character!
I'm glad someone is benefitting from this terrible ending. Thank you for being a mass.. I mean, for spreading the truth. Also, the video quality was great 🔥
Title should be Armin the Clown
No he is the entire circus
@@hanjizoe1103 No that's Eren.
What should we call Mikasa then?
@@rickchakraborty2087 Eren’s dog
@@suhcondizdick8002 perfect
Remember in South Park's Imaginationland when Butters tried to Talk no Jutsu the terrorists, and it completely failed?!
That's how Armin's attempts should've gone down!
Armin yelling "m60 for Jesus" would be the true based kino
@@distantseaI can't believe the fucking Mayor of Imaginationland didn't know that Butters, being a real person, can save Imaginationland by imagining things, which come to life in Imaginationland!
Note: Armin punches Eren because he was standing up for Mikasa both times.
Armin, the guy who actually cares about and values Mikasa as a friend.
another banger from saintitchief
When armin got Burned to a crisp by bertholdt his brain didn’t seem to come with him, when he was saved. However umi da
Bertholdt burned some of his brain cells along with his own body
The change in Armin's personality could be partially justified by Bertholdt's memories, as Eren notices, but if that was the case it should've been developed better. Everything else is just inexcusable, especially chapter 139. In the end he was made into an idiot along with everyone else.
That’s what I assumed, wish Isayama touched on it more, notice how every titan shifter inherits some qualities of the previous one.
Yh that would be a good side story but Isayama limited him self in the story as the last chapter should be 139 coz of meaning. But fuck never limit urself in a story unless u have good intentions to. I wish it would have been like 10 chapters more to develop slimiest each character but noooooooo
yes the whole bertholt shit is just a lame excuse for ruining a good character
Even better if yams wanted to include something having to do with bert and armin juxtaposing eachother it couldve been done so well. We could've gotten to Bertholdt' s memories through Armin seeing how he was able to have both perspectives and sympathize with the marleyans and warriors adding emotional impact to the destruction of liberio and his choice to go against eren in the end for the sake of the rest of the world instead of only wanting to protect paradis.
if that's the case eren should have a tybur family ideology to kill eldians of paradis
Bertholdt would've probably been a more interesting character if he was alive after season 3
He'll get talk no jutsu'd by Armin as well, lol.
@@ralphr2711 lmao Uzumaki Armin coming in clutch everywhere
@@ralphr2711 actually after that ep in s3 Bertholdt had changed a lot and also he had achieved the same mindset as Erin in s4
This is why I say that Bert should’ve won serumbowl, Armin and Erwin both had beautiful conclusions to their characters and arcs and there wasn’t really anything to be had going forward with them that would’ve improved their character. Bert however actually had a massive character development and has some interesting views and stakes with the story. It would be fascinating to watch RtS Bert and someone like s4 Eren or reiner encounter each other. It would also be interesting to see how Armins death affects the scouts. It could have been used in the same way that Sasha’s death was, but now we just have him wandering around as a static character...
@@ralphr2711 He didn't, since he still roasted Armin.
Seeing Eren beat the shit out of Armin reminded me that there was actually no imaginary force stopping Mikasa from helping Armin. Her love for Eren allowed her to watch him brutalize her other friend 🤣🤣
Majority of Chapter 90 - 139 was pointless. Why didn't Zeek just go to the island in chapter 90 and their plan would've started. There was no need for the attack on Liberio and the 80% Rumbling. Probably the Coup d'etat was necessary, although the military were prepared to follow Zeeks plan anyways.
My honest opinion Eren looks bad because Armins character was reduced to a bystander. What happened to "Armin always comes up with the best solution no matter what", I honestly expected him to reach Lelouch level planning abilities.
The reason why Zeke and eren had to attack Liberio is probably because he can't just easily get out of there since he lives in a place where he is surrounded by walls and will be killed if he gets out. And the world was gonna attack paradis very soon so they did that to be able to spend time for their plan.
Even then, almost immediately after the attack Marley found out that Zeke has escaped. So the whole farce with Zeke being sliced by Levi was pointless.
i really thought armin would do something when he became commander r
I wish Erwin was chosen
it only just occured to me. how does one fall in love with someone who killed my friends and comrades, and is partially responsible for my family and millions more starving and and being killed?
and it's not like i was told this info, i SAW it. bruh.
Now I know why Erwin was the better choice 🤔
Honestly, even though Armin is my favorite character in Attack on Titan, I can’t help but agree with you here. Erwin was definitely the better choice, because he wasn’t afraid to give up soldiers to achieve his goals. Armin, on the other hand, is incredibly indecisive and naive all throughout Season 4. I do believe that Seasons 1-3 Armin was better than Season 4 Armin, because everything that Armin said in Season 4 was really contradictory.
In short, Erwin was probably the better choice. Even though Armin is still my favorite character, the shit he does in Season 4 proves he wasn’t the better choice.
Armin dieing instead of Erwin would have changed the course of the story for the better
Your video essays are top tier ong. I wanted to add something, but you literally hit every single point in this video.
Armin's lesson about sacrifice played no role in the ending because he didn't do anything. Other people like Hange and Zeke made sacrifices meanwhile Armin sat there like a dope. A very disappointing character in the end. Hope to see you make more aot videos fr.
a child and teenager rooting armin and love him, before armin was my fav charater in aot and i would choose armin over erwin, but boy, how naive and stupid i was before then.
Armin: "People who are unable to abandon anything will fail to bring any change. If it's required to overcome monsters one must toss aside their humanity."
Eren did just that and what did you do Armin?
This makes us all wonder why did we revive this guy if he is incapable of leadership.
Umi da.
armin let us down. i wanted erwin to live but due to armins past achievements i thought he would come up with plans or at least be a good candidate. Hangi was more of a scientist than a strategist otr planner and judgement . Now i realize he was a bad choice when season 4 in the chapter started. Erwin would of had a plan and too ka risk. erwin gambles but he usually wins his gambles. I have yet to see him lose on his gamble.
This video is a masterpiece
I loved everything about Armin and his character development from S1 - S3. I lost all interest in his character reaching the manga past that. Apart from the fabulous entrance as the colossal titan nuking the ports, there was nothing enticing about him left. Him punching Eren twice simply for hurting Mikasas feelings in situations when absolutely everything else was more important had me wondering for a moment if this ending was heading for some stupid twist of Armin being in love with Mikasa.
Brilliant video, if someone had told me some years ago that we'd get a "happy ending" for Armin with him being alive and getting a love interest and being seen as a hero I would have said hooray, but I would have never anticipated such a horrible execution to lead down that path.
I'mma be honest when I first read the ending of Assassinate our Heroes, I was actually neutral towards the ending.
Then these 8 pages happened, and now I am firmly in the hate camp: I honestly hope Kodancha doesn't try to pull some sequel crap with this
Beren on Titan: the next generation
@@カジョエラー No...
@@natoriousthehopeful2786 isayama- susumeeeeeeeee(Erwin voice)
@@カジョエラー Why did you choose violence
@@natoriousthehopeful2786 coz peace was never an option.
In fact, at that table, he tried to argue, but eren started to offend mikasa, something that armin, before and after the timeskip would never allow, Armin is mostly logical, however He has his moments of stress, the difference now is that before he cried, now he hits others when they don't correspond to "his logic", and I hate him for that.
would never allow? he stood there and watched him talk shit to mikasa and himself multiple times.
@@saintitchief armin is not exactly stood there, are u blind? He literally punch eren. Mikasa is armin bestfriend, if anyone ever talk shit bout my best friend, i would punch them in the gut. Are u telling me that armin should sit still not even mad like a fckg robot with no emotion. I admit i disapointed that erwin isnt survive, but thats becoz eren and mikasa irrational emotional selfishness that i knew where it came from.
@@sadiqiant2820 I wasn’t talking about in this scene
@@saintitchief so you were talking about which scene
@@sadiqiant2820 facts
Armin might’ve got the worst out of this bad writing more than anyone else. Man was already ruined since the beginning of the final arc
Here's another way the story completely shit itself with Armin, and how he was supposed to be "the one who will save humanity". If Erwin had been revived instead of Armin, it's been speculated that he'd do a far better job of negotiating and forming alliances with outside nations. Yet in the timeline where Armin, the story's 'hero' survives, the world has the absolute worst possible outcome. Eren massacres 80% of life on Earth, and Paradis becomes a fascist militia out of fear of the outside world retaliating. If that ain't an insult to Armin, I don't know what is!
All the Alliance was stupidly hypocrite. Maybe that's the theme of this series.
if isayama didn't make Eren contradict himself then that would have been a good message, atleast.
How tho?
'Heroes' are hypocrites. MHA does it better.
The argument in this video is the same as when a friend from middle school says "you've changed" in college. Like NO SHIT its called growth not hypocrisy.
Bros whole argument is "He said he hated resorting to violence when he was 10 but did it when he was 19"
Isayama sensei intentionally regressed armin character.
Pre ts armin was a idealist with solution to back support his ideals.
Post ts armin is a double down on his ideals but double back with solution supporting his ideals. He just want things to work out. And flat out ignoring the reality of the situation. To the point he ultimately turn his back on his own people just to chase his ideals.
You know. Just listening from you I'm learning so much about Armin than just watching him in the anime development. And I just realized how he was nerfed post timeskip andd be just that passive Character that reacts rather than act. Isayama could learn something from this video.
Armin also pushed Eren to the brink of destruction by implanting in his head he had to throw his humanity. And we know the result. And was never successful really....
s4 is every characters downfall
Facts
It’s like you didn’t really pay attention to the ending at all
It’s like you didn’t pay attention to the first half of the story. 🤡
Can you explain what he got wrong
@@t-ro6176 Let me tell you something. He cannot
@@t-ro6176 still waiting
If Eren is Walmart Lelouch
Armin is Walmart Rickert
Isayama is Walmart Gambino
And finally Yams is Walmart Donovan
at 139 i rly felt that eren deserved more and armin deserved less
and i agree with you man, isa rly had to dumb zeke down so armin could defeat him so easily.. they should have gone back into zeke's memories or something at least..
Isayama did not did justice with him in season 4 😢
Isayama did not do justice with anyone in season 4
@@blubblubblup Reiner, Zeke and Jean… until the ending
Only 1/3 way through but this video is nicely edited, I was getting chills from the 1st Armin comp. But man it just made me realise why I loved AOT. Still can’t believe Isayama ended his story with 139 😪
Doesn't fight anyone ever but he swings on the one person that gave his LIFE to save him multiple times, but those who want to kill him? Nah we must make peace, even if the outside world doesn't want it. Armin is so goofy post timeskip
He was 10 years old when he said that and eventually grew tf up literally before that he murdered hundreds of thousands for EREN'S sake he punched Eren for Mikasa's sake and for the fact that Eren caused so much pain within the scouts including one that leads to Sasha dying
I think what happens to Armin should be pretty obvious. The fourth option is, he cracks under the huge pressure of filling Erwin's boots. It becomes obvious from when he wakes up after Shiganshina that he's shaken about being chosen. At the medal ceremony it becomes painfully obvious that he believes he shouldn't have been chosen, but now under all the pressure of replacing erwin as lead strategist, his best friend becoming a genocidal maniac, and the same friend seemingly betraying him and mikasa. He snaps. The table scene is the first time he snaps, but we see it in the jail cell too and in the plane, and in his conversation in 139. However, we also see in 139 that the lifting of this pressure gives him relief, and he goes right back to his logical best, in a repeat of the scene from trost, stopping the military from shooting all the eldians with logical reasoning. So yeah while he's a hypocrite post time skip, there is a very good well written reason for it. That he does eventually overcome.
I see your point but its still pretty disappointing that he doesn't become himself again until the very final chapter. We can't even enjoy watching him in this new confident state because the story is essentially over. We just have to assume he does better than he did before.
@@Churi_Tri I hope he did, if I were in his shoes, my sense or morality and overall judgement would be very screwed up as well. I'm only 3 years younger than he is currently after all. I think same would be said for just about anyone. Yeah his character probably wasn't written the greatest but at the same time, your mindset being put through a washing machine by guilt, pressure, war, betrayal and literally BILLIONS of lives in your hands does make sense.
Armin's arc ended during the return to Shinganshina: he had finally stepped out of his cowardly shell and finally gave his life to save Eren rather than the other way around. I remember almost biting my nails during the serumbowl cause I was legit convinced Yams wouldn't bring Armin back. I respected his decision, it was extremely ballsy to kill off on off your main three protagonists like that. Though, of course Hajime decided not to. I remember feeling disappointed, like really? I thought Snk wasn't going to be a cliché shounen? Then after that all we got from Isayama for his development was just Armin whining about not being good enough to replace Erwin? Armin as a character really fell through post timeskip, as did almost every single other member of the main cast.
AoT became just another typical shonen anime, we thought AoT was special, but nope.
Same
"Eren is certainly the most disappointing character in attack on titan, armin is a strong second place"
at this point, I ligetabely agree with anything this man says
I have been pushed away by the die hard fans just when i say Armin was ruined after the time skip
Dont worry alot of people resonate with you armin shouldve died instead of erwin
make a video about Jean and Mikasa never had a romantic relationship like the one u made about eren and mikasa
It's not confirmed Jean tho
video would be 5 seconds long
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@@saintitchief 😂😂hahaha
@@saintitchief lmao
Armin is still a hypocrite, armin is holding back mikasa while Levi kicking Eren in season 4.
The one moment that made me despise Armin from the bottom of my heart is that part of 139 where he LIES about killing Eren, making a revisionist story about how they were the hero and Eren the villain.
The exact thing as Willy Tyber with the Helos story.
He actively betrayed what I thought the character supposed to meant, as the narrator of the anime & inheritor of Erwin's vocation as an historian.
If Armin was a real hero, he would have survive to tell the true story.
Modifying history to suit a narrative only caused trouble for the entire story and is what led the whole boogaloo to happen.
Attack on Titan didn't tell anything, the characters were meaningless and the "endless cycle" explanation is bullshit.
Also it's just not cathartic on a storytelling stand point but I digress
I honestly feel like Armin is only considered intelligent because it's the role that he's supposed to play but none of the ideas he comes up with are ever necessarily something that's extremely intelligent or even out of the realm of possibility for other characters to come to the same conclusion. It just seems like other characters are made to be dumb in specific situations so that Armin can shine. Armin can best be seen as intuitive (IMO). He never has the leadership skills to do anything other than offer a suggestion. His best moment is when he paralleled Erwin's suicide attack with his own as it's the only path to victory that he can forge. That would've been the perfectly moment from where the timeskip happens and Armin could have developed better leadership skills while still taking his more calculated, cautious approach to fighting. That should've been the main difference between him and Erwin as commanders. Erwin was willing to sacrifice any and everyone to achieve a goal while Armin was not. I still think his character overall would not have been fit for commander and Jean should have honestly been the one to take on that role with Armin playing the role of advisor. It's not seen as a glorious role but just because you're one of the MCs doesn't mean that you should be forced into a role that doesn't naturally suit the character's personality. You demonstrated both the pros and cons of Armin as a character and why he worked when you brought up the example of him fleeing to get help while Eren and Mikasa stayed behind. His traits complimented theirs. He ended up being wasted potential.
Geez. What a word vomit but I needed to get that out. lmao
Finally a logical conclusion and analysis for armin. He is one of my most hated character. How could he fall in love with Annie after all that happened. Clearly then he isnt logical and his decisions are emotional.
This wasnt logical at all his whole argument was either debunked, explained, or biased
@@HannyGarba Why do you think so?
11:48 This certain panel always confuses the shit out of me.
What exactly is Armin referring to here? ala "Did you think you could get away with simply saying *'forget about me'* " I bold the last part because if Armin is referring to the panels that were showed to us in chapter 138 (ala Mikasa and Eren running away panels)....how did he even know about that? Honest question!
Exactly he wasn’t even in that vision
Aot after s3 just fails and turns into action shounen