Erwin Smith WOULD NOT Support the Rumbling. You Just Don't Like Armin. | Attack on Titan Analysis
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- "Would Erwin support the rumbling?" A question as old as time itself. For years Attack on Titan fans have been debating back and forth on whether or not he would. And as time has passed, I've watched this topic go from debate to a seemingly foregone conclusion for people. Erwin WOULD support the rumbling, it only makes the most sense right? No, it wouldn't. You just don't like Armin, so you'll pretend like it is. So let's debunk some stuff shall we?
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I will say one part that I didn't mention. Floch did start to think about how Paradis would probably still fight each other. But that was a lil later. At the beginning he believed that the rumbling would solve all of their problems (see his conversation with Jean about not having to fight anymore for proof).
Where Erwin believed from the very beginning that the fighting was never going to stop. So once again it just goes to show that Erwin would be against them. Floch thinking about that fact later only goes to show how their is no person in the right in either the Yeagerists and the Alliance and how their is no "good guy" in this scenario like so many people pretend their are in order to poop on the alliance, blah blah blah. You get it. Just had to try and protect myself from the "Um actually" crowd lol. Hope you liked the video!
But he will probably be alot more neutral than armin. He will give amnesty to the marleyan soldier that willing to surrender and take the volunteer under his protection and give compensation for them because of the rumbling. He will also try to stop the yeagerist from doing a massacare on the island, he will did his best to keep the island stable but he probably won't team up with the anti marleyan volunteer and warrior unit to create the alliance.
But then how would Erwin defend himself against a world that wants him dead
You realize there’s a difference between internal civil conflict and having outsider enemies trying to genocide you right?
Floch was saying that Jean didn't have. Floch believed that the Jeagerists would be the ones fighting. As shown as how they instantly reformed into the Edlain Military.
Your video is utter trash.
Also Erwin had a much better understanding of human nature than Eren, so he wouldn’t be shocked when he saw how humanity outside the walls acted and he’d understand that it doesn’t make them all weak or all bad. So nothing about his mind would change, it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker and Erwin would still want to negotiate with humanity instead of killing them.
Eren actually has a perfect view of human nature, but ik not everyone's read the manga so im not gonna spoil lol.
@@stonebrix168 Eren understands perfectly, he just want's to do it because that's who he is.
@@greatdune3174 he wants to do it cause he knows all outcomes of his choices and knows its the only way
@@stonebrix168 No. They could have easily done Armin's plan, and used the extra time to negotiate peace. Eren himself said before they left for Marley that what they needed was more time. Eren just wanted to kill everyone, despite knowing it was wrong.
@@greatdune3174 say that in reality when your family was killed because of their race and because of brainwashed idiots outside of your home,obviously you don’t understand war if you think this
very well made video. i’m sick of people reducing his character to “selfish and cold” when it’s so obviously not true
A person trying to kill to stay alive isn’t selfish or cold, unlike Reiner or anyone outside of paradis
@user-tg9gt6bk9u Reiner did need to kill to survive tho??Wtf was he supposed to do?He was a warrior and a product of his mother's revenge plan that failed anyway
THANK YOU. Honestly I'm shocked at how many people didn't see how disillusioned he was with people fighting each other. I only disagree with one small point, and that's that Levi gave Armin the injection not because he believed he was the best choice, but as a selfish decision to let his friend, who was forced to be a "devil" out of necessity, with terrible guilt for the people he led to his death, finally be at peace and released from the hell he lived.
Yeah I agree looking back on it
But this analysis isnt entirely right , because the only solutions are to fight them or to bring peace, and erwin isn't who we see him as to the eldian racecucks in Marley that wanna be marleyan, or the marleyans, hes just another " island devil"
@@lolok866 eldian racecucks😂😂
I agree, but I can't see him going for the rumbling nonetheless. Erwin was incredibly disillusioned by people fighting each other and he only did what he did, sure for his curiosity, but also for "humanity". If I'm honest, I think given what we know now Erwin would finally have broke mentally. We already know he was so plagued by guilt that he was suicidal. To bring that to full on genocide against innocent people I think would have been too much for him. Especially since it's no longer just a battle against the titans.
However, if he managed to keep himself together we already know what a skilled negotiator/speaker he was. I think he would have held the scouts together and I don't believe the Yeagerists would have existed. It wouldn't have been perfect, but I feel like he would have avoided a full rumbling at all costs. He wouldn't have been above threatening it, but actually doing it? At the end of the day nobody will 100% know, but I just don't see it :/
I honestly think it’s both lol that he respects Erwin’s wish to retire as a devil and to rest peacefully, and then to entrust his ideals to Armin.
@@anakin-is-panakin Its both. Levi outright spells he made the conscious choice of choosing Armin fully knowing he would have to step into Armins role. The says that in chapter 136
10:08 i literally got shivers. This is exactly what I thought about Erwin in his final moments. So many expeditions done most of them for his dream but this last one was for HUMANITY. He's being selfless at this part he gave up his dream he spent his ENTIRE LIFE working on even if its so close to reality tangible even. Yet he gave that up for humanity.
One of Erwin's dreams, the one from his childhood was the idea and question if people lived outside of the wall. I find it hard to believe that he would choose to destroy all of humanity beyond the wall, because even in his last moment his mind went back to the idea of what if there are people outside of the wall.
The thing about Erwin that people forget is how he gambles. It's basically the Trolley problem. He gets the smaller number of people killed to save to larger number of people, or for a larger number of people that would be saved in the future due to that decision.
We don't exactly know how erwin would be like post basement twist. All of his character motivations, his sacrifice plays were all to just know the truth and see of his or his father's theory was correct. His character motivations stop after that which is why I feel isayama decided to let erwin die there.
Going to the outside world was always armin & erens dream.
No Armin's own and only dream is to go and see the fucking sea no more than this no humans nor anything else that matters or even were more important than the fucking sea.
That is the point of theorizing, obviously you cannot definitively state whether or not Erwin would support the Rumbling but we can look at his past actions and motivations to hypothesize what he would have done.
@@yomamamam2 You're talking to someone who has no imagination, it seems.
The majority of people who claim that Erwin would have been in favor of the full-scale rumbling, are the same people that support the rumbling themselves. I think it’s mostly because nearly all fans agree that Erwin was the greatest character with the most fervently held principles in AOT. And as such, if they can convince themselves that the the most principled character would be in favor of the genocide of like 99% of humanity, they themselves can more easily justify it.
yup, people nowadays always force to think themself they were right without ay logic or common sense whatsoever
Then how would he defend paradise cause negotiations are out the window
@@t-ro6176 it's possible, like kidnapping Willy Tybur and make him side with them. Also they could atleast do what the og plan to make a small scale rumbling to destroy all military bases around the world so Paradis would have enough time.
@@vertex6586 Enough time to do what? Continue to fall behind? The 50 year plan was a scam that Zeke came up with to trick Paradis into letting him sterilize all Eldians.
@@vertex6586lmao kidnapping Tybur? Yeah like that’s gonna stop THE WHOLE WORLD from wanting to commit genocide lmao. Also a small scale rumbling? They explicitly said that within a few years titan power would be useless. It was only a matter of time before genocide of all Eldians.
Armin is my favorite character of the entire series and while it hurt to see Erwin miss out on his dream he also deserved to rest after so much death. I'm not sure he'd have taken being revived over Armin as well as some think. He'd have weathered the storm sure, but it would have been so much guilt.
It was such a treat to watch Armin over one his insecurities and really come into his own. You could actually see some of that Erwin passion in him at the end. Overall I loved the series from start to finish.
Good pionts!
I DO want to point out there's a very, VERY, tiny (and mostly silent) section of fandom who believe there's no way to know whether Erwin would support the Rumbling or not. And they believe NO ONE is an heir to Erwin's legacy: Not Floch, Not Armin, Not Hange, Not Levi, and NOT Eren. No one. They wouldn't believe any of them have any similarities with Erwin either.
I don't agree with this, but thought it fair to let it be known of their existence and that there more than two sides to this.
Erwin wouldn't not let the scouts get torn in fact he would've more then likely kept eren in check . Because erwin was the one people were loyal to . Hange was erwins 2nd in command next to Levi so her beliefs are more then likely the same as erwins .
According to that assumption Armin would supported the rumbling
THANK U all I hear is people saying he would but I always completely disagreed. Man I wish isayama would tell us honestly
Yeah I'd love to get that clarification too lol
I think isayama would want us to interpret it ourselves and it makes for a good discussion until it's overly toxic😀
Isayama told us. With his manga. It is nothing stated and implied through Erwin always appearing as some sort of force ghosts, giving approval to the scouts actions. It could not be more spelled out
This is just a subjective opinion it not facts whatsoever
He did say it himself through manga. That was Erwin's welcome to Hange and Shadis in the afterlife.
Thanks for this, I definitely 100% agree with you that Erwin would never EVER be a Jagerist. I respect that man a lot and I know he cares about people…constant war and death can make you disillusioned and numb but I feel he cares more deeply about his comrades than most people think. If he was truly selfish, he’d prioritise his goal over sacrificing himself as you said.
With Eren…I am really unsure what to think about him, he definitely has absolutely horrendous anger issues since he was a kid and he has been selfish a lot of the time, but he’s also shown he cares and feels remorse…I think he’s only doing this because it’s the only way to save his friends. But then how he manipulated his Father was disgusting…honestly I’m unsure if he does actually care for Mikasa and Armin…was he lying to them so that they’d hate him and kill him so he can be the scapegoat to peace between nations or are those his true feelings?Eren is really confusing to me…but there is no way Erwin would partake in a genocide, no matter the reason. Also no idea why people hate Armin, he’s a great guy.
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Thank you! That means a lot to me, ya know?
long story short: "Erwin would not support Rumbling but if Eren started the Rumbling, he wouldn't turn the scout into Naruto squad and start going after Eren to stop the rumbling either because he is a logical man and not Naruto Uzumaki.
I like your argument but I still might have to disagree. His whole life dream was like you said finding out what was in the basement. After doing that, his new motivation would be preserving the life inside at all cost. Like stated, he stands upon his dead comrades bodies. This was all built on their sacrifice. Now I’m not saying he’d go straight to killing, but I also believe the infighting wouldn’t have been as bad. I don’t think he would’ve fell for Zeke wine plan. But if things still got to the point where everyone gathered together to kill them, he would have to “become the devil “ and do what’s necessary in order to preserve humanity in the wall, as that was built on his comrades sacrifice.
Erwin's life goal was to know if his father was right. He wanted to know about the outside world too. He focused on the basement because he thought the answers to his questions were there. After learning about the outside world it is not unfair to say he would agree with Hange to go see it. I think however he may have been more proactive overall. He may have accepted help from Hizumi for exchange of gas. It could also be argued that if Erwin hadn't died the Yaegerist might not even exist.
@@melodicomen777 agreed
He will fight and not negotiate as much as Armin but mass genocide would never come across his head. Eren is just a hot-headed with a mindset of a school mass shooter. That’s all
Erwin could stop the meteorite by just looking at it
he could reassure some countries that Eren is not a threat as long as they work with them and unite them against Marley. My paradise an industrial country with modern weapons with the help of the Hisuru plan(or even maybe other new allies)
He could have come up with such a brilliant plan that could establish peace for generations without a massive massacre
That's what I think
This is one of the best descriptions I have seen of Erwin as a character. The negatives about him (leading many soldiers to their death) was just the result of this world being extremly brutal and unforgiving. Not him being an evil person. The actions of Erwin, both the good and the bad, is the one single thing that has kept the humanity on the Island alive, and let them know about the outside world. He has been the most important character from the start. All went to shit after his death. Nobody united people better than Erwin. He was uncorruptable
I feel like the part of the fan base that supports the rumbling are the same ones saying Erwin would support it
I know Erwin wouldn't support it, unless he truly truly believed that Paradi would be eviscerated without the rumbling, but that'd be a tough sell
why doesn’t this have more views? Very well researched, edited, and voiced!!!
I personally think that if Erwin had been alive, the situation would not have come to a point where the Rumbling would be necessary. I think he would have a better hold of the politics involved with opening up Paradis to the wider world.
I think it all comes down to whether Erwin would have ventured out into the outside world or stayed in Paradis. All the characters besides Eren who made that trip and actually experienced humanity outside Paradis were not ok with the rumbling, whereas others such as Floch who don't see the outside world until they are at war with them do not have any emotional connection with those living on the outside.
I know that this also comes down to their personalities, and that Floch and many Yeagerists are simply more cold hearted, but we see the warriors do basically the same thing to Paradis that the Yeagerists are doing to the world and it's not until they develop deeper connections that they truly start to empathize with those who live there. I believe the same to be for most characters. I mean even Armin was willing to kill at least a few tens of thousands of innocents to save his friends at Liberio even after experiencing the outside world and overall being one of the most empathetic characters in the series.
This is also seen in characters such as Daz and Samuel. We don't know nearly as much about them as the main characters but we know they are not cold hearted people, theyre just scared. The only difference between them and Armin or Connie is that they are unable to empathize with faceless 'enemies' that they know near nothing about. Sorry this kinda turned into a Yeagerist apologist rant, but I really do believe that the many of the Yeagerists are simply more morally correct than Erwin, who convinced teenagers to kill themselves without even considering any other option.
There wasn't much of anther option for Erwin to make at Shiganshina though :( he couldn't bring them over the wall the beast titan would have just killed them. They couldn't stay there because they'd still get killed. If they were going to die anyway might as well die fighting for victory than hiding. So it's a bit unfair to say that he just sacrificed teens in that moment. :< the new recruits had no odm gear. No weapons. No cannons. Nothing. Just flares and horses.
They got cornered and he did the only plan that seemed logical to him for a better outcome for everyone unfortunately that plan was to be a distraction.
@@melodicomen777 There were plenty of maneuvering techniques that they normally use to outflank the titans, charging straight towards them was tactically and morally an awful move on Erwin's part. There was also the fact that they came underprepared to Shiganshina in the first place, which wasn't fully Erwin's fault, but the scout leaders and regiment commanders such as Erwin, Hange, and Levi get way too much credit when in reality they made plenty of horrible decisions. Even Magath placed more value on his warrior's lives than many of the scout leaders did on their regiments.
@@stonebrix168 nah there was nothing they could do. The accuracy of the beast titan would’ve killed most of the scouts. Plus they had smaller titans plus the cart titan. He did the best idea since Levi could sneak behind while the beast titan was distracted and kill them. If they have maneuvered, the beast would’ve either sent his titans after them which would’ve led to him noticing Levi, or him noticing Levi as he looks in a direction other than straight.
I see what you're trying to say, but I don't think the people supporting mass genocide are morally better than anybody lol
@@sailorclout I truly believe that the morality of the Yeagerists lies with one unanswered (as far as I know I havent dug that deep) detail- whether or not the bulk of them are aware of the nature of the founder's powers, such as whether Eren can control how many wall titans are summoned. We know that Floch knows (which is why I think we can all agree that he's not quite the moral stalwart), we also know that the alliance and most likely the military government know, but it may be dismissed by some as allied propaganda. This is why I think that the lower ranking Yeagerists don't exactly know what they are truly supporting, as they may believe that there's simply no other way to save paradis
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I Agree most of what you had said but the reason i hate armin is because he almost didn't do anything during the event that led to rumbling. Being one of that was chosen instead of erwin. Erwin being alive would make this more you could say more interesting in a story than what it is now. And maybe eren making the decision to do the rumbling wouldn't have come to fruition.
I mean, let's look at what happened between the Marley attack & the rumbling, Armin was forced to play catch-up due to an unfair advantage. Plus, the story needed the rumbling to happen so, Armin would have to be restricted from doing anything to stop it somehow like, not being able to transform because his friends are next to him, Eren going rogue, Eren gaslighting him, etc.
Eren, having future knowledge, was always ahead of everyone, forcing them into a reactionary role, to try & catch-up to him. Getting mad at Armin because he couldn't outplay someone who can see the future is unfair because nobody else could do it either. It just feels like you're treating Armin as the exception here when there are other characters with intelligence comparable to his own.
If we look at the stuff before Marley, he & Hange cooked up the soft rumbling plan as a last resort & were willing to try as many diplomatic approaches as possible to protect Paradis & help it co-exist with the world.
Regardless, Armin was doing something. It's only until after Marley that he & everyone else were forced into a reactionary role (again) due to Eren's future memories.
Erwin was as smart as Armin, but even he can't outplay future knowledge. He would've been forced into the reactionary role just like Hange, Armin & everyone else. In fact, Erwin has been forced into playing catch-up in the past when fighting the warriors.
Point is,
Did Armin do nothing? No.
Was he forced to play catch-up? Yes. And not only did he catch-up, he also surpassed Eren in the end.
yeah people say "all he does is try to talk things out" as if that's not the ideal way to handle things???
I know right? Like that was the idea that marco came up with when he died. In fact is that not like the whole point? Like i always seen aot as anti war and anti violence
Peace was never an option in aot. Eldians oppressed and made Marley suffer for 2,000 years, all their hatred grew toward the island for 100 years, Eren wiped out most of the world's population, destroyed their homes and resources and family members, and you think they will buy Armin's story? Don't believe me? Oh that's fine just wait until the extra pages get animated and see for yourself.
6:07 I literally forgot about that too Erwin literally says he wants to overthrow the government without spilling blood
This point really doesn't matter that much because Erwin more likely could have come up with a solution that wouldn't make Eren resort to the rumbling in the first place. We saw Eren begging Hange for a better solution and she couldn't Armin couldn't either and wasn't in the position to do so anyway since he wasn't the scouts leader or leader of paradis. I 100% feel Erwin would have had better solutions and would have been closer to a diplomatic solution, he had the charisma, the willingness to dirty his hands, and the brains and charisma is arguably the most important aspect in getting the support of others that Armin lacked
Armin is more useless than sakura
Armin and Sakura both saved lives what?
In season 4 im agree
Yes, the dude who was selfish to sacrifice many innocent lives to reach the basement, would agree to Eldia to die out. Cope more!
If this is seriously your argument, I can tell you didn't watch the video at all LOL
Lol if Erwin will not agree with the rumbling them he wouldn't agree with the clown alliance either 🤡😂😂😂😂 he was a Chad
A year ago I would have vehemently disagreed but after that ending, I am just happy Erwin was killed off before his character was ruined.
Erwin was sacrificing people who voluntarily gave their lives to him. Different than a genocide lol
Absolutely love how you articulated and structured your points, you deserve more way more eyes on you.
Thank ya!
People love coping he wouldn't of, we all know he is just as big of a devil like Eren is.
Choosing Armin was the start of the downfall of the series
Maybe not for his character, but objectively speaking the choice between Armin and Erwin is a a reflection of the choice for or against Eren. Erwin is also objectively an excceptionally selfish person, and even admitted multiple times, not just to Levi but to his own superiors, that he would sacrifce humanity just for his dream. He's sacrificed so many people that the only way for him to cope with his atroccities is to keep Eren alive no matter the cost to the outside world. Erwin is also a gambler, he was banking on the gamble he'd live and that he couldn't see the truth.
Also, he DID know of the outside world, he knew that there was at least one empire outside of the walls working with titans in order to kill everyone on Paradis.
Erwin wouldn't want to do the Rumbling, but Erwin also would have acted very quickly, the idea of a full scale rumbling wouldn't even cross their minds. He'd have understood the situation a lot better than Hange did. Also, Erwin purposly drew soldiers from other regiments in order to sacrifice them for his own gains without their consent. He also sacrified hundreds of innocent civilians to capture Annie. The bloodless coup was Erwin manipulating Pyxis and trying to gain popular support, and not a representation of his actions at all.
Also, objectively speaking, Eren's plan is one that would work if he succeeded. It's even confirmed in the manga itself, but Erwin would have undoubtedly have found a different way that works with Eren and his goals.
Erwin's entire worldview would be traumatically and dramatically changed because he has 13 years left to live, he doesn't have time, and I believe that's a MASSIVE point to give to Erwin supporting Eren and the rumbling or at least a partial rumbling. Also, him dying for mankind is one of his gambles and another selfish action done by itself. He fully believed people existed outside the wall, he's believed that since a kid. To him it is reality even if he doens't fully understand that. It's essentialy a religious zeal he has, so when the outside world was wanting Eldia dead would be a massive shock that would make him a prime subject for Eren manipulating Erwin, at least temporarlity. Eren is a religious core to Erwin. Erwin would support a partial rumbling no question, but he'd fill the same roll Armin did after seeing Eren sent ALL of the titans out. Erwin would have probably acted slower after finding this, and Levi would probably force him back on track if he's not dead. More of humanity would be dead outside the walls, Armin managed to save 20%, I imagine Erwin would have only been able to save maybe 10%, maybe even less outside of Paradis.
I also agree that a lot of people just hate Armin and instantly assume the inverse would happen if Erwin was chosen. The fact is, the Rumbling will happen regardless. It's only a question of how much of the outside will be still left, and I believe that Erwin would save less people than Armin did, and that he may even intitially support it, and seek to understand what Eren's true objective is. One he learns for certain that Eren will genocide all of mankind outside the walls he'll likely crack, and cost valuable time.
That said, people don't seem to care at all about how important of a role Mikasa will share in this.
We've just assumed she'd do nothing, but with the loss of Armin, I genuinly believe that Mikasa would have told Eren she loves him and to run away with her, and that the rumbling would never happen, that they'd live his remaining years out. The reason Armin was chosen, was because Eren wanted to do the rumbling.
Wasnt Armin ok with a partial rumbling also?
Might just be me, but his final speech was pretty Pro-Rumbling:
“My soldiers do not buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world.
My soldiers push forward.
My soldiers scream out
My soldiers RAGE”
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This vid was made by a pseudo intellectual. Erwin would 100% support the Rumbling. He wouldn’t let the sacrifices of all his soldiers be for nothing. He said himself he’ll become a monster to get results.
I can understand why you would think that it's well explained but for the reason that erwin sent himself and others to their deaths to let levi have a chance at killing the beast titan. Would in my opinion make him at least side with erens ideals. Besides he was the one who stood up for Erens titans back when everyone wanted to kill him. He wants his goals of the outside and to protect his people.
Erwin has the life mission since he was a child to know if there are humans beyond the walls and people think he would've destroyed them. Hell no, he would've helped them even more than Armin
FINALLY! I have been saying this for so long! Erwin could've stopped it one way or another, choosing Armin was a mistake. Erwin would have done everything *humanly* possible to establish peace with the rest of the world. He could have dome it. Erwin is GOAT. Erwin always wanted to know the truth regardless of what it is and wanted to rid the threat of Titans to humanity, Eren and his rumbling was the threat he fought against his whole life despite it being different from his original perspective. As Hange said "we're back to our original mission".
If Erwin knew who eren would become Erwin would have HATED eren.
you tb chapter 139? or overall? bc eren before chapter 138 & up he was consistent in his work to protect pardis.
Erwin is the reverse Eren. Or Eren is reverse Erwin.
Its funny i love both erwin and armin for like pretty similar reasons
Hange is key. Chosen by Erwin as his successor, I think they see the world in very similar ways.
One thing that people need to know, Erwin is someone who can be objective about other people, but when it comes to describing himself...
...he is the most unreliable narrator of all unreliable narrators
This guy believe he is a monster for sacrifing his soldiers, when in reality, scout regiments under his command has the least casualties because of his strategy. He succesfully take over the corrupt government without civilian casualties, gamble his own life, almost get hang for it and what did he do? Let himself be manipulated by that vile Zackley that he is selfish, that perhaps the government is better left untouched. He imagined pile of bodies underneath his feet, blaming him for their death, forgetting the fact that every single one of them has swore to truly dedicate their heart to humanity, not to him. He believe himself selfish for wanting the truth about their world. He totally has this skewed perception of himself.
Do you believe that the guy who possess that much guilt, self-loathing, and conscience would support wiping out the entire world?
Video idea: why I’m not a yeagerist
I'll probably touch on that when I make my last AOT video or something.
@@sailorclout I see hopefully we can have a collab vid
Reasons im not a yeagerist
Reason number 1. Im not a nazi
It's kinda weird to hear Flock call himself by his name on his own video
Even so. Eren would destroy the world because the raid in Liberio would be a huge succes since Erwin wouldn't just transform but also help Eren killing every soldier(Including Gabi). With Eren having a supreme form of the Founding Titan the World would be done for.
Really enjoyed this video, glad I watched it
Had no idea about this argument, but it’s a interesting video.
10:10 he asks LEVI to make decision for him
it was levi choice not erwin choice :)
But Erwin would not try to stop the rumbling once it starts. Erwin was VERY morally flexible when making choices, it's impossible for him to choose the world over paradis when it comes to a "them vs us" scenario
With him around, Eren wouldn’t have a chance to start it and Tybur wouldn’t have a chance to declare war either. Erwin will sure sacrifice Historia and her children to keep the plan continue. His card would be economy and titan power will help him do it
Armin is a badly written character, that being said Erwin would have totally used the rumbling to make the rest of the world surrender.
I think Armin is a great character but I would say I like Erwin more. But I agree with this take. Top 5 best characters in AOT in this order is Jean, Levi, Erwin, Reiner, Armin.
Somepeople not only don't have Armin as their favorite character... but actually dislike/hate him??? What the fuck he's the best!
i cant figure out how the title makes sense at all, what does Erwins support of a controversial solution have to do with Armin??
EXACTOMONIOUSLY my g
plus Erwin likes to gamble,
siding with the Jaegerists are the guaranteed win for Eldia
a true gamble is going against them, then the fate of Eldia and the rest of the world is truly a 50/50 gamble
commander erwin was the right choice not armin
The thing, Erwin wouldn't have stood by and did nothing for years like hanji and armin did
Erwin would have probably came up with some sort of solution that would have made the rumbling not necessary
He would certainly not be an alliance member in the sense of "let's start killing our own people to do something that'll end up killing them anyways but with no plan whatsoever"
Bro erwin would love it don’t lie
13:19 The man, the legend, the Commander Erwin Smith! Eyyy!
I am not saying Erwin would support Mass Genocide, BUT I am pretty sure he'd be okay with committing some war crimes, keeping in mind that he was okay with luring Annie to a fairly populated area, leading to a lot of innocent deaths, or sacrificing the Scouts just to see if there are people outside the walls.
All I have to say is his name is pronounced like the Hepbern, Eruvin, but 'u' is silent.
Yea I also don’t think Erwin would support it either if anything Erwin and armin are so alike even from their childhood both of them wanted to see the world outside the walls and both h their parents were killed for their views of the world outside the walls(sure we didn’t find out what happened to Armin’s parents but I doubt they made it outside the walls and were probably killed by the military police)
I don’t get people who say he would support genocide. Erwin asks for sacrifice but in the name of duty. He ASKS for sacrifice. He wouldn’t demand it of billions of non combatants.
Awww shiieeettt here we go!
But he’s my favorite character in aot 12:37
You had me till the first half 100%, still you started saying he is like Armin, don't disgrace him like that ! Armin could never be even 2% as far-sighted as Erwin, period. Armin has proved times and times again that yes he might be able to get them out of the situations currently, but never has been able to predict, plan and think outside the box like his enemies and thus the failures over and over again.
Armin is too irrational and doesn't think straight. Of course, he is nothing like Erwin. Like if Erwin had the colossal titan he wouldn't sacrifice himself for an enemy child soldier. And what did Armin even do in the final season: Nothing, no plans, no solutions. And people think this idiot comes close to Erwin. Yeah, not in a million years.
THANK YOU
I actually was one of the people who said that Erwin would support the rumbling BECAUSE I LIKED Armin haha
For me, the rumbling is obviously a bad thing, so I tried to justify Armin over Erwin by saying Erwin would support mass genocide.
This was intially what made me see this video haha like, what? That doesn't makes sense lol
Really good video, maybe I should give Erwin another chance.
what a cope...
Levi: "But what are we going to do after retaking Wall Maria?"
Erwin: "Eliminating threats. There seems to be someone out on the other side of the walls who's determined to see us eaten by titans."
It's so cute to think that this is anything other than a zero sum game.
I honestly loved Armin even more post time ski
Ofc that may have to do with the new cut and slightly deeper voice...
BUT ON REWATCH SEEING HIS GROWTH IS INCREIBLE
I always had a feeling Erwin would never support the rumbling, and everyone says he would but i dont think. Erwin had sacrificed many lives under his own supervision, it was his call to make, i dount he would kill so many people just because they posed a threat, but more I definitely feel like he would try to negotiate with them and try to become allies. Violence seems like just a last option
I have to disagree for the simple fact that no peace option would ever work , not unless they did something they'd never be crazy enough to do, like if eren were to forgive reiner in that basement and they came up together, and tried to negotiate peace . It's either too easy of a solution or too crazy for the people we know to try it , inevitably it would end in violence, and erwin would definitely protect his people if he can send them on suicide charges including himself just to stop one crucial enemy, and no I dont dislike armine . I'd only want erwin to get the syringe out of curiosity of what would happen.
And as I replied to somebody, Erwin is still just a island devil to them. Negotiation would most likely fall on deaf ears. they'd just call some marleyan officers because island devils invaded Marley .
Finally someone with the same opinion as me
Bro did the lords work on this one.
Thank you very much for this video. 🙏🏽
Thank YOU for watching it!
you have no media literacy
8:07 I can't believe we are back to this. The world threatened and is still threatening Eren's freedom and his people's freedom. in other words the wolrd was practically trying to kill him and everyone he knows and loves in Paradis That is why he is doing this.
bruh this needs to blow up fr
Thank you!
so he would kill people in the walls to get annie but not the world who wants him dead? lma0o cope armin sucks
Finally
Erwin sacrificed his own ppl to keep moving forward. If he found out the world was HELL BENT on eradicating paradis, there no way he wouldn't side with Eren.
He literally would take the risk & find out. Erwin does it with the Annie plan.
L Erwin, GET RUMBLED STAY HUMBLED 🗣🫡
I don't get this myth that Erwin was a selfish man. Even if others say so, even if Erwin says so. Actions speak louder than words. The thought Erwin had about his countless comrades that got killed and that wracked him witth guilt is not a trait of a selfish man. He wanted to go to the basement. Did anybody think about his reasons for it? Was it for himself? Hell no! He wanted to go to the basement to prove his father was right and to exonorate his father's tarnished reputation. And even here, he gave up on that dream and sacrificed his life so that the remaining scouts on the other side of the wall could survive and get to the basement without him. These are not the actions of a selfish man.
He was selfish. He was only driven by wanting to prove his father right. He made the selfless action in the end.
Clearly aot fandom haven't taste of angst
I disagree Erwin was a devil !
Watch BROWNSMAGIC's video about it and be disproven immediately. She's a certified psychology expert so she knows wtf she's talking about
BROWNSMAGIC, santitchief, and Odin will debunk this video like nothing.
I think that's the whole point of the series, Eren has always been free, from himself, from need, and most importantly - from others. But at the end of the day the only one who wanted to exterminate the Titans (or more accurately those oppressing him) was Eren, the only one who after finding out about Marley not once faltered from wanting to exterminate them, wether that still be to kill to get freedom or to kill a few for freedom, Eren wanted freedom. He always did. Not Armin, not Levi, not even Mikasa, the only one who didn't change was Eren the only one who wanted to truly kill - was Eren. Not Erwin
Erwin would be the first colossal Titian stoppin on them Marlins , what you mean…🙏🏾
Omg yes lmaooo finally someone says it. And people who dont like armin swear hea changed but....they just miss erwin 😂😂😂
Big facts
No Armin became truly useless
@@shymix. Yall dont even know what useless means. Find an original thought.
@@shymix. Nah you are just a teen with an agenda who doesn't know better words to express himself
@@bee3467 Name at least 10 useful things Armin has done in the final season I'll wait
This is a copestream
Ahh okay so bro is saying Erwin would be willing to not kill but kill sometimes but wouldn’t go along with the rumbling. Just a contradiction on its own.
Ok Trashmin fanboy 🤡
Incorrect. Erwin KNEW that Titans were people by the end of season 2, after he loses his arm. So it's safe to assume a man of his intelligence concluded that the enemy outside the walls was the same as inside the walls, humans. And when he said to "eliminate all enemies" was in season 3 part 2. So he included humanity with those enemies.
Nice effort but I'm still convinced that Erwin would agree with the Rumbling, you swept away too easily his sentence in ep 12 of season 3 and Erwin would never agree to let his own people die just to not have to kill people of the outside world (who all the countries want them dead) especially after all the sacrifices of his comrades and of himself.
Misgendering hange? Damn