French Husband Drugged Wife Nightly So 72 Men Could SA Her Without Her Knowledge For 10 Yrs
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As a french law major, all our professors told us to follow this case because it is one of the biggest case in french law history just because Gisele not only lived something horrible but said no for the closed hearing, the trial is public and all the process of it even when they played video evidences. She asked for it to be public so that the shame must shift.
The fact that one of the defense lawyer said « il y a vi0l et vi0l » meaning there is rap3 and rap3 that some of the guys didn’t know she didn,t consent because dominique was with them during the thing. He literally played with the mens rea to get his clients away but the thing is that with all the details they should have known. So even legally it’s a super important case for criminal law majors
making the case public is very brave of her, man what a sick dude. I cant believe someone would just pimp out their wife for free like this. I just don't understand what he got out of it, what the hell kinda sick fantasy is he living ugh. This is probably one of the weirdest and biggest cases in any country in decades. I assume they will go after the men who r*ped her even if they didn't know they should have
Thats really brave move, she isnt only a survivor, but a warrior! I truly hope she gets the justice she deserves and opens some minds while getting it. This can happen to anyone, not all predators are into women.
It's sad to see that she had to endure all that for change to peek it's way through, but I'm glad that change is looking up. Double edged sword for a movement like this. I hope she gets to live out the rest of her life with vindication and not shame.
@@keenkee333 Your absolutely right, the more he got away with the bolder he got. This case is even more disgusting then Korea's Nth room cases only because the level of betrayal and I hope this case does change the way the law is worded to include consent. Both cases are some of the most vile cases Ive ever heard of and I'm not saying the Nth room is in anyway lesser Im just saying for the victim the level of betrayal has to be the worst thing about it, to think the man you've been with your entire life has been doing this
Thank you for revealing her husband’s face. So many news outlets blurred his face and the face of his co-defendants. They need to be publicly named and shamed. May she get the justice she deserves.
^this
Fr. Also because they don't have one single problem with showing HER face all over the news. Even with privacy and shit, he still is the clear perpetrator of this crime. There's literally recorded video and audio in which he literally tells on himself. And yet, they don't think it's proper to show his fucking face?! It's disgusting.
As an American living in England, I've grown accustomed to the EU absolutely coddling & protecting their vile perpetrators of horrific crimes. This time, oddly, it appears to be different.
@BereniceAllanPoe I was gonna say they don't have any problems with showing her face but not these disgusting bastards!
STOP VICTIM BLAMING ONCE AND FOR ALL!
@@BereniceAllanPoe she requested the waiver of anonymity because his crimes are so grotesque that she does not want him to be able to hide behind her shame.
"This kind of access has only become possible because Gisèle has waived her right to anonymity. In a case of such magnitude it is an unusual decision, not least because it means thousands of videos of the alleged rapes filmed by Dominique Pelicot - in some cases surreptitiously - will eventually be played in open court.3 days ago" -BBC
Naming a folder “abuses” is disgusting, he knew exactly what he was doing…
Edit: for the people who don’t understand what I mean, I’m saying he knew exactly how bad everything he did was ( and the other people involved definitely did too ), but that he did it anyways… I didn’t think that needed explaining but apparently it did
Thank you, he knew, they always know,he premeditated it every single time. It's sick 😅
Definitely!
Yeah you cant drug someone and lie for years and NOT know what you're doing.
Actually the files are named "à son insu" like the websitde which means "without her knowing" but its the same sh*t tbh
He definitely knew..
As a young French woman, the case has been haunting my life since the beginning of the trial and I'm not the only one. Many of us have started becoming even more sucpicious of every man we encounter on a daily basis. I talked about it with my mom, she said to be careful not to become too suspicious. "When I think about my male colleagues for example, I know them pretty well and they're respectable men."
"No mom, that's the thing, you don't know that for sure. You don't know who these men really are. Gisèle had no idea who her husband really was."
La honte doit changer de camp. ✊️
C’est désolant au plus au point et révoltant de devoir faire ce constat et apprendre à se méfier…se rappeler au fil des affaires que ça pourrait être nous et venant de quelqu’un de proche de nous.. tant que ces profils s’en sortent incognito et sont sûrs de ne pas se faire attraper, aucun ne laisserait paraître ou soupçonner ces déviances au mieux mais crimes atroces et complices en réalité .. 1/3 le ferait ça fait froid dans le dos, peut on seulement espérer élever les prochaines générations d’hommes avec de plus saines mentalités et de l’empathie pour les individus autour d’eux (donc des inconnus) et avant tout les femmes toujours victimes, si on constate qu’ils n’hésitent même plus a sacrifier leur propre chair et sang à subir des pareilles horreurs ..?!
Et au procès ils ont l’abjecte stratégie de ne pas reconnaître avant que les images et preuves (s’ils n’y en avait pas ce serait peine perdue ) ne laissent plus place au doute et encore là l’outrecuidance dégueulasse de se justifier alors qu’ils ont cherché à violer une victime sur un forum qui très explicitement regroupe uniquement ce genre de crime !? Aucun remords aucune honte juste gênés d’être obligés d’apparaître en public pour cette broutille, une erreur dont ils se seraient bien passé maintenant qu’ils ont été chopés… quels monstres tous autant qu’ils sont, complices et se soutenant mutuellement dans leurs agissements d’une misogynie rarement atteinte … comment prétendre que la société se gère et peut continuer d’avancer avec ces criminels en liberté dans nos villes au quotidien
this case shows us that sometimes the evil we fear is closer than we think.-that's the scariest part.
You're really not losing anything by being more suspicious? What does she mean be careful..
@@cosmok2923 in the sense of paranoia, she doesn't want me to get paranoid to the point I can't trust a single man. maybe 'careful' is not the best translation here idk how to express it better
To be honest, it's better to be safe than sorry
The fact that she had severe damage to her genitalia and NO PROFESSIONAL thought it could possibly be anything bad
Just being hysterical u know .... the usual dismisive crap
The husband probably bribed them to lie to her
He has to be paying or sending content or something to these "doctors" because why would anyone even prescribe him that much pills of either kind for him seemingly being a fine normal nice guy with no problems. Who knows what they were up to
Exactly. There is something extremely wrong, because no woman who goes to the doctor excessively because she's having so much discomfort and issues is going to dismiss any attempt by her doctor to get tested and find out what's impacting her so badly. Someone tried to argue that she'd have denied testing, when she literally said she requested help, diagnostics, and treatment countless times. There's also yearly tests where women have the inside of our vaginas and cervix examined, so they would have seen discharge, redness, etc. For her cervix to be that inflamed, something was wrong with her visits, because they'd have seen that too. STDs that give you an inflamed cervix aren't just going to randomly inflame it some day, it's going to be inflamed much sooner, there would've been plenty of signs physically that would have to be ignored, and someone who wants diagnostics and treatment isn't likely to refuse testing and treatment. They went to you, to find out what's wrong and get help. 🤦🏽♂️
@@Horikita_.50he has no need. This is just a normal day for most women.
SHE IS A QUEEN she made the case public so that people will KNOW the names.
she publicly asked people not to share the lists. so no?
@@LyoHaliotisit is an ONGOING trial i didn't mention "the list", by the end of it the real names will be revealed to the public,the point of public trials is shifting the shame.
@@LyoHaliotisshe's still a queen because she rose above the crap manage to pick up and move on with her life so yes she is still a queen
Absolute LEGENDS!
@@LyoHaliotisYou have no right to judge anything she does.
This case shows just how disregarded women are by medical professionals. All the neurological symptoms she was having over the years, the declining quality of life, signs of SA, STDs - and all her doctors, neurologists and gynecologists kept writing it off as stress? If it were one doctor, I would call it individual incompetency, but that many - that's just systemic medical misogyny. They all should be ashamed of themselves.
That's truly one of the worst parts (which there are too many in this story). Something could have been done far earlier if they would have just taken this woman seriously. My heart is absolutely broken for this family.
'female hysteria' is always to blame in these doctor's minds and it's no wonder a lot of women want to become doctors or choose to only see female doctors because of how sexist and dismissive male doctors can be
I agree! I got so angry hearing how they just ignored probably so many signs and did not try to even dig deeper than what kind of assumptions on her health they had. A gynocologist even missing that is crazy?! Would there not be signs? Definitely medical gaslighting, just calling these extremely worrying signs, symptoms of stress, is crazy. I know stress can do alot, but slurred speech, extreme memory loss, loss of motorfunction and so on. So many worrying signs and the doctors did not even try to do anything about it..
Same in the US tho. Doctors won’t give us pain meds like they do men, they disregard our symptoms, they don’t allow us freedom of choice, they aren’t educated on women’s health, all drug trials were on men only into the modern age so we don’t even know how they actually work on women and they definitely don’t care about any reproductive health care!😢
As an optimist I'd hope this is more of a sign that no medical professional could even comprehend such a horrible, vile & cruel crime as a possibility rather than a more "mundane" explaination like illness or stress.
(And the STDs at least weren't known before this came out which is the only thing which could only have a sexual explanation)
However the sad reality is that these aren't just possibilities but things that DO happen, they become fathomable and must be checked. Medical professionals can't be naively opptimistic, they need to be educated about cases like this.
I couldnt even imagine how painful that must have been for her. Like the inflammation and irritation from constantly being raped must have been unbearable. And the pain from the infections. And then to simply be told "its your fault, you need to relax." Not a single man on earth would have been dismissed like that for anything.
The sedatives were acting as a muscle relaxant so hopefully she won't have had the same level of internal injuries as if she was conscious and resisting. She probably would have gotten suspicious if she kept blacking out then waking up with severe genital pain and bleeding.
@@Draggonny oh good point, still the infections must have been painful
@@huniebeee Yeah. It's a super sensitive part of the anatomy for anything to be going wrong. I'm so glad that they were able to cure her infections and she didn't get HIV.
as a french person, thank you so much for speaking about this case! everything is so hectic right now and the way some people are reacting (like blaming HER) is making me sick.
Vrm c’est horrible
Tellement ou va le monde?
@CloudySky_Dwo mais oui ça dégoute
It’s very nice to see you guys speak French❤
how r they blaming HER???
He didn't mind other men touching her as long as he was in control of the situation but when he finds out another man touched her, of HER OWN WILL, he blew up in anger. Typical.
m*n behavior lmao
🙌 so true
It’s only ever been about controlling women and abusing women. It’s got nothing to do with “purity” or “loyalty” it’s always been about control, abuse, power, cruelty. They love it. They enjoy it.
Males ☕
Al, why did u blur out men?
Just developed a new fear:
Being scared of having blank spots in my memory while living with a man.
Especially when there’s no medical explanation for it. I know seizures make you forget gaps of time, just as an example.
@@chinaking918 right
🔓New Fear Unlocked🔓
It's sadly also a new fear for me to never have a partner. Love is real, but shit like this always taints the beauty that so many people have found...
Fortunately this isn't a thing that most men would do. I'd love to be able to say that no men would, but clearly.....there was a whole website full of them. It's horrendous and genuinely breaks my heart that people get victimized out there in this kind of way (or any way at all) -- there's not much that can be said to the contrary, but don't let it skew your view of men in general. I swear, we're good people, the great majority of us in fact. These stories do get highlighted though for the sake of awareness and they do have value in being shared
Gynecologists gaslighting her is crazyy even if you are married people cheat and you could have something passed back to you? I feel like American gynos are more cognizant of that. Just all around terrifying but that really stuck out to me.
honestly i feel like they were somehow involved or compensated by this mf husband because having an affair in france is actually REALLY common.
It’s just so crazy how a lot early licensee gynecologist couldn’t realize that something was wrong. If she was getting assaulted every day for 10 years it would show. Shame on the “gynecologist”
@@jjsnoozed fr the more I think about it the more they sound like a bunch of liars
there is a whole documentary about how bad French genos are not only they are ignorant and stupid but they are very evil its like they try to keep you in pain ( epically the male ones )
The fact that for an older woman they do Pap smear and they didn’t notice or said anything about her swollen cervical area is suspicious, but I’ve been in long term relationships and every time I get a check up they ask me if I want a std test and I always say no because I know myself and I feel like I know my partner but if they tell me anything unusual about my genital area, I’m asking for an std test asap but it seems like they never even actually checked and if they noticed something they never said anything
The fact that he knew more than 70 other men who were willing to participate in this and did not go to authorities at any point in ten years proves women who chose the bear were not wrong.
uh u will kinda be killed but sure
Yeah ngl, if it's a black bear, in choosing the bear 10/10 times
Yeah, I'd rather be mauled by a bear than living with the trauma that more than 70 men SA'd me while being unconcious while doing nothing to stop it.
And all close to where they live. It's not that they were from a larger zone. Just insane.
I will always choose the bear. I want to be a man in my next life. I hate how the world is with women....
I'm French, and let me say: thank you for talking about this case! We french women are sick and tired of the silencing of rape victims! Justice for Gisèle!
It's like that everywhere.
@@sandrafrizzell7682 Yeah, but in France is really, really, really weird. You have a lot of people from the upper classes of society who are still worhipping Sumerian entities, like Baal and Innana and they try to let their twisted practices trickle down to the general public. You go to France, the number of people suffering from incest because they were born into these families doesn't even make sense...
People started to use the word "feminicide", only after the lock-down. Many people got divorced or broke up between the lock-down. In France, many women were UNALIVED to the point peole needed a word to explain what was happening.
In France, you had had shelters to protect beaten dogs BEFORE you had shelters to protect battered women. Before 1980, r*pe was not considered as a crime, marital r*pe either... You still have laws that kind of "encourage" incest against teenagers. You had a lots of grey areas and the laws don't really protect people in many cases...
@@sandrafrizzell7682 Yep, I absolutely agree. This has to change.
@@avSCompact I've never heard about rich french families worshipping sumerian deities.... I can't find any sources on that, could you provide some?
Women from all over the world are sick and tired, to our core. I'm a Greek girl and I feel the same. We need more [women's] women in positions of power.
Have known each other since 18 and married for over 50 years and yet her own husband still pulls this absolute disgusting stunt. You really can’t trust anyone…
Stay single and don’t marry a man. It’s not worth it.
Nope.
That's why I stay prayed up. God has always revealed to me about the people closest to me. From the small things to the big deal things.
For real, like I didn’t have major trust issues already
@@opinionbytriz Lady Pelicot was a devout Catholic and a regular church goer...
@@opinionbytriz prayers won't protect you from real threats, imaginary friend isn't gonna ward off assailants
As a French person I think you did a very good job at summarizing that case. You'd think a man drugging his wife and inviting men over to SA her is awful enough, but there's so much more. The scariest part being that he easily found 70+ men to assault an unconscious woman, and more men who agreed to let him do the same to their wives... so, not all men, but a lot of men. I hope these guys never get a day of peace again.
And that he's the suspect in a rape + murder case.... I tell you, it will be like the Fourniret case
That's a great way to take back the "not all men" pathetic phrase.
The sickest thing is there are some people defending this man's actions by saying this was some type of kink the couple had. It's genuinely terrifying how a lot of people don't know what consent is.
Wait wtf 😢😮
Well there is a kink like that, however that's CLEARLY not the case.
people really never considers the meaning of consent and how important it is, they just see one of the partner doing it and assume that the other one is fully committed like holy shit..
A kink game in a folder labeled abuse? Oh men……..
I knew some people on BDSM comunity and is never like this,consent is the first thing mentioned in their games.
The fact that the men who SAed the wife thought they did nothing wrong bc they had the husband’s permission is so sickening.
As if it’s HIS body they were violating. Just goes to show they only seen her as his property like she called it she was a “thing” to them. Not a human. Z🤮
Not only that but they never spoke to her. She didn't ever tell any one of them personally she was okay with it. If it's just a consensual kink then you have everyone's expressed consent. They never got hers. She's unconscious, if you "have sex with" an unconscious person, it's rape. Simple. End of. The only exception is when the person has full rights to rescind consent at any point whatsoever, and while fully with it and mentally stabl, under zero coercion, zero influence of any kind, has given explicit consent, and only consenting parties are involved, and consent is excruciatingly clear and not even remotely influenced by others, drugs, alcohol, or natural drugs.
If someone's unconscious, you know what you're doing to them is wrong. Thinking men own women is a whole entire level of despicable that continuously gets more and more uncovered by society as time goes on. People still think that way. Men still talk about women that way to their buddies. And it's insane.
They don’t see women as human beings. I bet they miss “the good old days” when women couldn’t do shit without their husbands. We are in 2024 and woman are STILL seen as nothing but a husband’s property.
THEY KNEW. In our society we are forever taught you need consent from the person specifically, not their father, not their mother not their grandparents.
They did not ask because they didn't care if she said yes or not.
Most men don’t look at women as human beings we are property to them. Something to own and show off to other men. Wake up ladies, the truth isn’t pretty but we have to face it.
The worst part about betrayal is that it comes from someone you trusted most
Exactly like trust is most likely broken by the one you love most
Just don’t trust anyone anymore
I agree but also How r u everywhere
@@beanznjeanz we will never know
You can only be betrayed by someone you trust, THAT'S the worst part.
Says Heisenberg 😂
The security guy at mall is the one who actually got this case rolling. Without him nothing would've happened. Y'all should check out the video he made. He was the one telling the women at the mall to file a police report. He insisted. The women that were filmed up skirt didn't really care. But the security guy insisted they file a report.
What’s his name so I can find the video?
@@Justice4Mica I can't post links here I think but it was uploaded on UA-cam 4 days ago by LeParisien under the title : video de l'interpellation de Dominique P
It's the 70+ men who agreed to this. It's the men who were asked to participate, weren't interested, and didn't go to the police. It's this monster doing all these horrible things to all the women in his life while acting as if he was a good person. It's the people lack of empathy and the comments online. All of it terrifies me
+1
Truly.
Definitely. For this to happen, there needs to be 70+ men close by that are willing to do this. It's terrifying.
@@EminAnimE1 And their town in south of France is very small population of about a few thousand ppl
I think most good men men wouldn’t be in these type of spaces in the first place,anyone that is even looking for something like that in the first place is not a good person ,so those men that are in this circle are not good people so I am not surprised that none of them have actually called the police
people never fail to genuinely sicken me
Same here
humans are scary
Exactly, how can anyone do something like this. People are so evil.
Every time I think humanity has reached rock bottom someone pulls out a pickaxe
*men*
When he referred to his daughter as his wife’s daughter, it made me wonder if he’s been doing this all along and got her pregnant by a stranger
Yep! A dna test would have been done asap
holy shit... this didn't even cross my mind. that possibility is totally there.
Omg, I need a true crime break because it just hit me that you could be absolutely right. Either way he was evil for doing any of this.
I believe the crimed were committed long after she was born ? I wouldn’t put it past this guy to be open to incest.
the first thing I thought of was this is the sort of man who has at some point most likely assaulted his own kid
The fact that "chemical submission" is its own whole category and this isn't a once in a century case just makes me so angry.
any date rape is considered chemical submission, so it's highly prevalent...unfortunately
Women aren’t angry enough. This is good we should all be angry for being preyed upon.
The worst part about these cases is no matter how fucked up the crime is, there will always be people justifying and siding with the perpetrator. Absolutely disgusting.
It’s fine, they just come out and show us who they really are.
Just like how Brian Peck was/is friends with serial killer John Wayne Gacey, and was convicted himself, yet dozens of people thought/claimed he was innocent and then when it was revealed he was indeed guilty, they just said “oops, if I had known I wouldn’t side with him”, as if that settles it, why the frick would you side with someone when there is a trial going on and a victim spilling his heart out about being SAd by this man? Seriously, you can’t write long letters claiming he is innocent unless you are sure about it !!
Any crime is like that ,sometimes people forget that not all people are good people , the same way you have people that praise and romanticising serial killers after they kill multiple innocent people just because of their looks, so you shouldn’t waste time with those that support criminals since it won’t change .
It’s like the Lucy Letby case here in the UK. So many are defending her despite the evidence & the guilty verdict. Nobody wants to believe a woman who looks like her can be capable of such a horrific crime yet if I even got *accused* of such a heinous crime. It would be off with my head with no speculation so there’s definitely a double standard
@@Omar-kl3xp yess I have been keeping up with that case and it’s honestly ridiculous.
If anyone is interested, the video that led to the arrestation of Dominique Pelicot has been released. The one from the supermarket, it's on the Paris Match channel. For all the non French speakers, you can see him film under several women skirts but then the vigil sees him and immediatly stops him. He tells him not to move and that he's going to call the police. He then proceeds to ask the women if they want to press charges. I really appreciate that he stood up and not just ignored it.
Can't find it. Can you share the link please? Thanks!
@@_chatjin The youtube page is Paris Match. The name of the video: "Exclusif : les images d'interpellation de Dominique Pelicot quand il filmait sous les jupes".
That random guy in the supermarket accomplished so much more than he realized. I wonder if he saw the predator he stood up to in the news.
If he got 450 pills prescribed to him in a year, if he took one every night, thats still 85 too many and considering what the pills were used for, the doctor may have visited Gisele...
Not only did he ask them if they wanted to, he encouraged them to do so. He told them several times "I trust you to go press charges"
It's really disturbing that he also secretly filmed/took photos of his daughter and daughters-in-law. If they hadn't caught him, I'm completely sure that he would eventually do the same to his own grandaughters. Disgusting.
100% sure
There have been news of him involving his granddaughters too unfortunately..
@@cherylkayleight4271omg😢😢😢
@@cherylkayleight4271no way
🥶🤮😱 ice cold Monster !
Him saying “Thank you for catching me.” Is one of the most insulting things on his part, he’s basically implying that he was not in control of himself when that could not be further from the truth. He’s trying to escape responsibility, all men like this always try to find an excuse, he deserves everything coming to him.
Being French, this horrible story is everywhere on the french news, Madame Pelicot is so brave , thank you for talking about this
take a bath french lady
Indeed
When I saw the news videos of this I was like WTF and so shock I literally can't even imagine what she's going through. She's very strong!
@@mommyissueyeah and if im not mistaken, she even accepted the videos of her to be showed in court in front of these men ; with her being present
Giselle Pelicot is an example for every victim of SA everywhere. She telling that the shame has to change sides and showing so much dignity and elegance when all the cameras are on her because of such a terrible experience. She truly is an inspiration
I can’t even imagine the absolute horror, disgusting, and betrayal she felt when finding all of this out… she married a demon.
No, she married a man.
I know. I’ve felt betrayal, but after 50 years? I cant even imagine
No, she married an everyman. It's so much more horrifying when you realize it really could be anyone.
@@slowyourroll1146"an everyMAN" exactly!!
@@slowyourroll1146 nah, that's an extreme approach. Not all men are like this, and yes enough are for women to have more than legitimate reasons to be wary, but it's not like every man is like this POS. If you go thinking that way, the only solution is eternal isolation from any man. And that's no solution, that's panic and even distorted thinking that would require psychological assistance
I think the craziest part is that they only caught him because he was taking photos up someone's skirt. If he only did the drugging, they may have never found out.
Please delete this comment. The LAST thing we need is MEN reading this and thinking “Huh. So, if I avoid doing X, I won’t get caught doing Y or Z”. Smdh.
@@JusticeAmplified the human race has no common sense left no need to worry they wont even consider this
Lol 😂😂😂😂 as a woman I can’t even fall asleep 😴 next to a strange man.
I don’t even know how women pick up & go home with strangers from club, internet, bars etc. Women are so brave!
Yeah, God plays out in mysterious way, evil can't be hidden and truth comes out anyway. It's how universe works I guess 💪
@@sophieobiero-ro7ujit was his wife. Married for decades. She did nothing wrong
The older I get as a woman, the more I realize how little society has grown.
Many men out there still view women as play-things instead of fellow human beings.
True and it's fucked up. Excuse my French.
I've seen comments like that floating around. It seems this atrocity was able to happen in the first place because of how society views women. We need to work harder to change that, and hold abusive men accountable.
And they ALWAYS will. It's just how they were created.
Almost 50 other women now have to deal with the fact that they are married/ with a rapist. But at least they know now. Because he could get the idea to drug you and do the same.
Who is to say they didn't ?
Those are perverts .
Considering these mens' fantasies for unconscious women, there's probably a high chance some of those women are discovering they were SAed too. If not by strangers then by their own spouse.
Most women stay knowing this sadly
...and the wives will likely keep their rapist$$man in her home paying her bills. I live in North Carolina...a school teacher told me it is standard for a woman with aman paying her bills to look the other way. Mothers admits wives hide behind religions to stay with rapists men...i bet the wives stay...women are half the rape problem women face.
@jo3158 How disgusting is that. What has happened to us, women, and where do men get the entitlement and audacity.
"one of the perpetrators was HIV positive and he SAed her six times"
He let men with STDs SA her with no protection.
Wtaf
Poor woman
She deserves justice
And absolutley no regard to her safety and health and not even a second thought to what could happen knowing that he was infected. Plus all the drugs he was giving her he could have killed her just by the drugs. It's so sick.
Which is another crime (at least in the US, I’m not sure about france)
He should be charged with attempted murder.
Nothing will happen higher ups like this kind of ish 😅
@@aselyne5631exactly 😢
HUSBAND? 72 MEN??? I choose a bear.
It’s actually more but they haven’t been identified yet…
@@reshell7338the fact that there's more..
Wut does that even mean: “I choose a bear”
@@Reina.Nijinskyit’s a thing people say. I choose a bear over a man because if a bear will kill me like a man could a bear would not rape like a man could. That’s why people say they choose the bear
The bear thing, I just had to Google it. It's sort of insulting to men who don't look aesthetically pleasing, insinuating that a man that is big, fat and hairy would not cause any trouble. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Him saying his daughter wasn’t his type immediately solidified that he raped his daughter. I almost see the things he denies as things he’s, for some reason, too embarrassed to admit?
"My daughter isn't my type" is an absolutely batshit crazy fucked up thing to say. He definitely did something to her. My heart goes out to all women hurt by him.
72 men, 11 years. not all men but always a man
Actually, 83 men. And only 54 could be identified.
Man put s*x and org*sm over EVERYTHING worse than animals
The bear!
This❤ that’s officially one of my new phrases thanks for sharing
why do yall always blame men? yeah there are evil men but my god villinising men is insane
Hi, Stephanie, I'd like you to cover this case from Spain. Several important business men raped girls aged 14-17 for years, but because the trial didn't happen until 10 years later the men won't go to prison and at least one has died because now they're in their 70, 80, 90s. It was a prostitution ring taking advantage of vulnerable and poor girls. Please, we need coverage of this case, justice must be made💜
that's horrible 😟
Please cover this one too!! Good grief!!
Where in spain did this happen 😢
How is it called? Can you bring some titles or links of the articles?? I wanna read it
Oh god, no.
More than 72 men assaulted her and none of them spoke up. Truly devastating
Some even went as far as to say that the husband was there and agreed to that which was enough consent for them. Can you believe it? Others said she was faking the sleep. 🤦🏼♀️ It’s beyond abhorrent when it comes to all of them.
even more didn't participate but knew..
@@raxidaydreams Men revealing their true nature don’t be surprised.
Of course they never spoke up they knew she was being drugged and wanted to SA her. By speaking up they would be admitting their crimes and get in trouble with the police.
One of the daughter in law was also sexually abused by her own grand-father and said in the trial that she never was as close with Dominic as she was with the rest of the family, that she found some of his attitude weird, but she never said anything because she thought it was just her trauma making her see things.
People who experienced such trauma can sense and recognise patterns they can’t even put a finger on.
Because of the way rap3 is defined legally in France, the defense is trying to argue that the r@pists didn’t know she wasn’t consenting and since there wasn’t any force, threat or surprise used, it’s not really rap3.
Even though the group chat the husband used was called "à son insu" which means to do something to someone without the person knowing it. They all knew exactly what they were doing.
Some netizens are doubting Gisèle, even after Dominique confessed to everything, even after the thousands of pictures and videos in evidence.
It’s such a dreadful case, everyone is hoping law changes will be made in consequences.
20 years is not nearly enough.
Thank you Stephanie for covering this case with so much accuracy and compassion as always.
It should be argued that the men SHOULD have received a consent from her before the video. Since they didn’t, they SHOULD have assumed something’s not right.
And the fact that they had to come at night when she is sleeping, they had to do things so she wouldn’t wake up, she lied there blanked out etc, it should have rung alarm bells in their head.
@@blueshoes5145that's because they knew what they were doing was not consensual they were super careful not to get caught by preparing for it ahead of time ,planing their trip ,the time ,their parking, not being caught on the neighbors cameras and whispering throughout those videos to not wake her up, it was premeditated rape
Your comment should be pinned to the top!
people will come up with any way to blame women for being victims of assault, unfortunately this case is no exception to that judgement.
Precisely, the way they found her online to be their victim was via a very explicitly described context, no misunderstanding possible honestly, why isn’t that enough to prove they were set on committing this crime ??!!
a few additional things i’d like to talk about:
- the reason the girls who were being filmed under the skirt by dominique pélicot reported the event is thanks to a security agent. the video of him filming under the skirts has been published by Paris Match and in it, you can hear the security agent say: “your phone takes good shots! (to dominique pélicot). he was filming under your dress!” (to one of the girls, who then responds “no, no, no” (she did not believe he was doing that at this point). the agent responded by saying “yeah, yeah, yeah, are you going to file a complaint? he was filming under your dress, the phone like that, just now. are you going file a complaint?” (his tone suggests he is pressuring them to confirm they will do so). we can then hear someone in the agent’s walkie-talkie say “that makes four clients”, as in female clients that had been filmed, yet in the video he was “only” recording two girls, the other ones were filmed a few minutes before he was caught. one of the girls who was being filmed said “is that true?”, in disbelief, and the agent continued talking, saying “i’m not here to have fun, we’ve been following him with the camera, he’s done that four times! go on, (he said “allez” which is a french interjection that, in this context, is basically a threat meaning he doesn’t want to see dominique pélicot any additional second in the supermarket) police! to the police, now!” (dominique pélicot then tries to move). the agent tells him “you’re staying here, you! you’re not going anywhere.” to one of the girls again: “madame, i’m counting on you to sue him. he was filming under your dress. go on, to the police! you’re calling them right now for me! and the other clients? (the other women that had been filmed) fuck, we should’ve gone and found them. there are three others.” to dominique pélicot again: “you’re a disgusting pig, you, really. yeah, you’re a disgusting pig! (pause) you’re in luck, i swear, had it been my mother, i would’ve ripped your head off. we’re going to wait for them (the police) in the arraignment room.” (he then takes the phone away from dominique pélicot and talks to the girls). “madame, how are we going to proceed now? i’m going to let you finish grocery shopping, i’m taking your contact details and i’ll call you back as soon as the police are here so you can file a complaint. because right now you must go on with the procedure until the end. this type of behaviour, it’s… (he sighs). he wasn’t able to delete the videos, i took his phone away. yes, it’s the third time that he does that with these women” (to the person in the walkie-talkie). a big THANK YOU to this security agent. he acted the exact right way and is the reason everything was uncovered. (source: Paris Match)
- dominique pélicot said that out of every man he talked to on the platform he organised the r@pes, about 7 out of 10 agreed to r@pe Gisèle, while about 3 out of 10 refused to. but NONE of them reported what was happening to the police. NONE. (sources: contre-attaque, libération)
- Coraline, Gisèle’s daughter, said that according to professionals, Gisèle would have died in 2021 from the drugging if nothing had been uncovered and dominique pélicot had kept drugging and abusing her with the same dosing and frequency. (source: Caroline in Ça commence aujourd’hui, video is available on Ça commence aujourd’hui’s youtube channel under the title “Procès de Mazan: le “père” de Caroline a drogué sa mère pendant 10 ans pour la livrer à des hommes”)
- one of Gisèle’s r@pist, Joan K., r@ped her the day his daughter was born. (source: La Provence)
- dominique pélicot stated during the trial: “i’m a r@pist just like the other ones in this room. they all knew, they can’t contradict that.” (source: AFP)
edit: added some sources, corrected the translation of the video of the security agent catching dominique pélicot, and added the last point.
Thank you for sharing
That was an incredible amount of info. Thanks for sharing
They wouldn't report it to the police because that would reveal them being on such forums. The forum itself being called "without them knowing" is a huge giveaway of their own intentions. I wouldn't expect such low lifes to report to the police.
Oh my god, the last one. This story keeps making me feel sicker and sicker.
Thank you for this
The fact a father tried to get the firefighter to come to his house and SA his 15yr old daughter says a lot and he had over 700 material of CP they are truly disgusting and immoral people I hope Gisèle gets the justice she deserves 😔
I’m at that part now and when I say I was FLABBERGASTED 😲 😮
Also, 70% of the men Dominique proposed to SA accepted, and the other 30% is men that refused but NEVER reported it to the police. They are also responsable for what happens !
every time i think i see the worst of people, i’m proven wrong it’s sickening and disturbing
men . not " people "
@@roxyglow9670Was just about to comment this
@@roxyglow9670It’s not often addressed but you are correct. Just getting worse too without women in positions of power
with the Palestinian genocide, South Africa femicide, and this story, & more including india. it’s incredibly low levels of evil & monstrosities.
@@barbiedoll44 Oh, well if horrible things are happening elsewhere in the world that makes this case okay then, doesn't it? Think before you type.
ALWAYS THE BEAR. When even the person who vows to love and protect you turns out to be absolutely vile and evil and puts you through excruciating prolonged trauma, it's a no brainer.
Exactly, its sad that my sisters need to warn these to my nieces. Always share the current news of children being SA by people who are close to them... In my time there are zero warning, and all of us shamed by it, only shared the stories when we grew up
It's weird her OBGYN didn't test further,even if she was in a "committed marriage" for 50yrs. If she was having female issues and seeing the doctor,the doctor would have noticed the cervical issues. The doctor would have done at least a papsmear which would have come back abnormal and then they would have found the HPV.
But the HPV doesn't mean she is being graped. HPV is not detected in men so it can come from any previous sexual partner or her husband.
Doesn't add a lot
@@redleeks6253okay, but if she tested positive for that and they knew she believed she was in a committed and monogamous relationship, that should have raised enough flags for them to do further testing.
@@redleeks6253"graped" dude. this is a serious issue don't call it that
@@johanabiat most they would assume the husband is cheating.
Unless she verbalize that she was assaulted doctors can't do anything.
They are not law enforcement.
@@yubelwish Yes, I would agree they would assume the husband cheated. Maybe it’s different in France, but in the US (at least in my experience), the doctor would strongly recommend a more comprehensive testing panel. Doctors can’t force medical care on anyone, but they can and should use their judgement to advise patients of the best way to get them healthy/keep them healthy.
He hated her. Because how could anyone do this to someone they love? Their own child too. He’s a very very sick creature. He should be locked up forever.
Hello, french here, there is an idea I really want to add to your content.
First, thank you for talking about this case as the victim wanted it to reach the biggest audience possible. Shame has to change side.
Second, and this is my main point: as a french activist said, this is not simply a terrible story, this is also a sociological case of "banality of evil", illustrating how any man, father, doctor, firefighter, young or old etc, has the potential to be a rapist under specific circumstances, as that's what society lead them to be through patriarchy and r*pe culture. All men should question themselves on how different they truly are from these 51 men, and look deep into the social constructs they have internalized and which could be part of the same mechanisms as the ones which led these men to commit the unthinkable horror. This case should all make us say: yes ALL MEN!
not all men,but enough men
@@VanG0ghsEar waahhh waaahhh
@@Jade-mg2sx ?
Okkkkay dear activist. Do tell me, what in the french society screams rape culture? I'm quite curious.
@@VanG0ghsEaryet only men.
I'm french and I'm so thankful you're covering this awful crime, we need to have a court decision that will make man scared of ever attempting something like that again, we as women should be able to trust the man we marry and not be scared of how he can be the biggest monster in our life
I hope she get justice because this is scary and they see why we chose the bear
Such a hypocrisy
They used a very "conservative" concept where a husband owns his wife, but forgot the fact that no conservative men will share their wife willingly.
As a woman it TERRIFIES me just how many men are like this. I know it’s not all men but it’s enough men
Edit: mom I’m famous🖤
The worst part is that you never know. You don't if the man in front of you is a part of the good 80% of men, or the terrible abusive 20% of men. Makes it so hard to date :(
@@EmanDeMoan I have been able to detect and avoid a few of them by seemingly being a cool girl who is excited about hearing their hardcore fantasies. They out themselves.
No it is all men
@@EmanDeMoan20%? Good lord give me your outlook. I'd say its 60% terrible men, 20% semi-decent men, 20% good men.
@@EmanDeMoan yeah 80 percent of men are not good stop the cap
Just like this brave woman said. “ITS TIME FOR THE SHAME TO CHANGE SIDES”
My mom showed me your channel. I thank my mother everyday for showing me what women really go through and what I am supposed to do and will do to be not even a good man but just a safe one.
❤️ 😊
Love and respect to you and your mother. Young men like you can and DO make a difference. ❤
Beautiful ❤
this is the bare minimum. respecting women and NOT treating them like objects is the bare minimum. y’all males need to stop acting like this is some kind of VERY complex thing to understand and the way you all say “I KNOW WHAT NOT TO DO.” use your privilege to be the voices for women who can’t speak up in a system created against them. the bar is in hell for males, as always.
You need videos like this to tell you to be a decent person? If you don't do shit like this, you're already safe.
Its not just medical incompetence. Its preduce against older women. I've heard some dreadful stories from my older women friends on how they were not given adequate medical care. Some doctors are really patronising.
They almost always put it down to old age as if they don't still deserve treatment and comfort and to not be in pain or feel horrible
@ROYALRAT123 but with age , with men and women , a lot of damage , time damage , is there to stay
Chronic illness are common in the elderly, so for a lot of stuff we can treat much , just alleviate the physical pain
@mzcyberbat Cmon girl , how could have a neurologist , with acssess mostly to her grain and neuro system , and gynecologist who only see the reproductive part , put these 2 and 2 toghtpeter
As for her lesions , if she was a minor they could have alerted the authorities, but an adult , apparently spund of mind , can't do much
Imagine the person who you trust the most and expect to protect you, becomes the one to cause you the most harm. I also can't imagine the pain the family is going through, I hope they are able to heal. That man is pure evil to do that to his wife and daughter. He's disgusting. Thank you for bringing us these cases, Stephanie.
Ikr. one's spouse or family member or friends. Nowadays n even past.
😢
And to his daughters in law, and to his nieces, and to who knows how many more women.
I really don’t know how this woman is going to survive.
nobody talking about this case i’ve seen has brought up how important sleep is for healing the mind and body (like, the most important. sleep deprivation is considered an extremely cruel torture method bc of that.) and how deeply this will fuck up her relationship with sleep - with strangers & ppl she trusts most. she can’t heal by community, and she can’t even heal thru sleep. he put her in hell on earth
who will she go to for support for healing? when she can’t trust anyone? how will she feel safe sleeping to process?? and if she can’t sleep to process and can’t trust anyone to help her process, how will she heal from something so beyond vile?
Exactly, the only one she might trust fully is her own daughter but they can't just depend on each other forever. The daughter in laws also will likely be paranoid and search for hidden cameras, and as for the men (the sons & the son in law) it must be difficult seeing your loved ones go through something and you feeling helpless since the women have to heal on their own 😅
@@jenmiranda13 not to mention i imagine it would be super hard to heal feeling like your daughter/mom has to get triggered for your sake, plus i feel like it may be hard for a victim in the process of healing to help another victim in the process of healing bc neither of them are on the other side of it to give that support and perspective that could only come from a detached perspective, and even then this is so bad it feels like something only a professional could get unpacked
@@HeyItsAlli007 Yep. I hope they get good therapists for that reason
@@jenmiranda13 i don’t even know if they’ll trust therapists enough. there were “good people” in that mix. there was a firefighter. that changes you and your ability to trust anyone meant to protect or help you
The victim blaming is genuinely insane and disgusting here like wtf???
Bots and trolls, for sure, gotta be, right?, RIGHT?!
the fact there's a guy that said ''I saw the films, it was hot'' really confirms that it's too late for cis men. way too late
@@bimbology their minds f'ed up by early age pr0n consumption. Rotten minds
This made me physically throw up. How can a father, a husband that is supposed to protect and love and dote on his family do such horrible things. I feel sick and i pray that the family can overcome this tragedy and come out stronger.
Hey stephanie, im Nigerian and i know its not that easy to make research on such cases but a girl called Christiana was murdered by a 21 year old boy who attended the same church of her and buried her in his backyard. He also murdered his sister and i would love it if you could cover the case.
Oh wow was there the reason for him to killed his own sister? Like there no way he wake up one day and say “let me killed these two girls”
@@eveelee4152 for a ritual apparently
@@eveelee4152 I'm sure he had his reasons, they probably wouldn't make sense to a normal person but you know how these people are
@@eveelee4152almost guaranteed to be sexual motive, but maybe not.
He also murdered his ex girlfriend too. He killed 3 girls and he's just in his 2nd year of university. I saw somewhere that he killed another woman but I just closed it cause I didn't want to hear any more.
This case showed me that men should stop with the "NOT ALL MEN" BS when woman talk about what they experience. Just look at how easily the husband found 90+ men to freely assault his wife. How men anonymously admitted they would r*pe a woman if they knew they'd get away with it. Her own neighbour whom she knew and talked with! You can't come with "not all men" when the man who you were convinced was amongst men who would never hurt you, turns out to be the most vile monster. Sorry, but cases like that convince me to stay single forever. I am proud of Giselle for being so strong, she is incredible despite the trauma and betrayal.
Even they named themselves "mr. Anybody".... they know.
@@meryemcalskan7578 Then they have the nerve to act all offended when women rightly don't trust them!
Yeah, she's a strong woman seriously... I would have 100% trust issues against ANY man if I went through that hell... and for 10 YEARS?!! . I can't
Theres good and bad men
Good and bad women
Good and bad children
You sound smart
Yeah there have been lots of studies where men basically admit that the only reason they dont r*** is because it’a illegal
I'm surprised that none of the men (or anyone) who saw this advertised on these websites ever reported it.... where are all the good men?
There aren't any...
There never were any and never will wake up and look around
I don't think good men go on these dark webby websites. I feel like good men are more into pornhub or some basic websites 😂
I don’t think good men exist
When it comes to " their needs", they lose all their humanity.
This is why women are choosing the bear. Married for 50 years. Knew each other since they were 18. He did this.
Frenchman here. I was expecting Stephanie to release a video about this sickening case, but not while the case is still ongoing.
My heart goes to Gisèle Pélicot, and may her scumbag of a husband rot in hell.
And those men he let inside their house
Not just rot in the hell life imprisonment should be guven what's with 20 years prison in im tired of these soft as p*nishm*nts which happens in my country too but something gotta be done about this
*Dr*gging your wife for 10 years & letting her get SA’de by 72 men is sickening…*
*Thank you Steph & Rm team for all the work and research you do on worldwide cases* ❤️🥭
That's the years he filmed you don't about the years he didn't film.😢😢😢😢
I saw the videos it is hot
@@jm52995 🤮🤮🤮
@@jm52995doesn’t matter, you’re still a loser
They must have been paying him. He could have been earning money off it. Sad
Survivor of family-based CSA here, thank you for your sensitive reporting on this topic. I have a friend who was chemically SA’ed by her husband. The scars last a lifetime, but I hope for the victims that they do find peace, and know that there are so many women around the world whose hearts go out to them.
God I hope you’re okay now. That’s tough to get over. I pray for you and your friend :(
Sincerely, a heartbroken 13 year old girl
I hope both of you heal and go on to live happy lives, my heart goes out to you. and I hope the worst for the perpetrators, they deserve no mercy.
This is horribly similar to the Singaporean case. It still amazes me that there are people doubting the victim, saying things like the husband is having a “gallant gesture” towards the wife by “taking all the blame”, implying the lady was complicit all along. I know, not all men are monsters, but some of them are…and we should believe it.
Being single sounds great
indeed.
absolutely. sounds not only great but may be the safest option for mostly women to get the chance to enjoy life, for an unknown time.
Statistically single women are happier and live longer than married women .
Also, it's the safest option for many women.
@@IrisDel-qo8xi I disagree , we are meant to stay single !
its really just a matter of can you pick someone that you trust and make sure you dont do anything bad your self even if someone does something bad dont change just change your negatives dont become your own enemy
I'm French and following this case. I was wondering if you would cover it. It's the worst example of our rape culture and I'm disgusted. Some of them are firefighters, some of their lawyers are saying "not all rapes are the same". (French) men are a plage.
Sexual practices in that country have been wild since the beginning of time and history has done a wonderful job of documenting it. lol.
Actually, the Olympic ceremony was actually celebrating Bacchus, the god of sex and partying lol.
Sounds like your culture needs to torn down & rebuilt. I pray that the Lord turns the hearts of the French people away from sin & into repentance. That there will virtually if not actually zero cases of sexual perversion & abuse. In Jesus name amen.
@@mrod87 Wow I think you are mixing everything up. France has A LOT of bad history with sex and a lot of western Europe has it. I would say it’s because of the patriarchy, religion and racism. Yet the Olympics cérémonie has nothing to do with it : Bacchus is a mythical figure associated mostly with partying and wine. We use it a lot, especially in arts, but not for celebrating sex.
@@PaggyM You stray away from religion everyday. What religion are you talking about because I don't see Christians, I only see Muslims in your country practising their religion. You make mockery of the Last supper at the Olympics and when you receive backlash, you pretend its something else entirely. Your country is finished. Your culture is slowly being replaced.
@@mrod87 R*pe is hardly just a "wild" sexual practice. It's an assault. It's an outright crime. Let's not make excuses for them, unless you are just like them.
He KNEW how horrible he was literally labeled the folder abuses
There were 83 guys and only 51 identified. Dominique PELICOT is complaining about being mistreated in prison, I hope he does not commit s…… before the end of the trial.
She’s so strong and so beautiful. The doctors absolutely need to be investigated. I know for a fact that those medications would show up in any base blood test, and since she went to the doctor for her symptoms, they absolutely should have done blood tests. And the fact that she had multiple STDs and the doctors didn’t bother to check, simply because she was married. God she deserved to be heard.
The cervical inflammation is smth her gyno should of seen during examination and that should of triggered an std test. But drugs are not routinely tested for in blood panels requested by MDs. Even with the stds a dr is not going to test for drugs unless requested to by the patient.
@@Wynngrem yeah i think that is typically the case however… I’m a med student and in her case they definitely should have checked. If a patient is displaying symptoms of that extent, they absolutely should have taken blood, since it could be a medication reaction, CFIDS, meningitis, anemia, an aneurism or stroke, or an environmental factor- mold, cleaning chemicals, etc
I was thinking the same thing. This was a drug that was used long term so it absolutely would’ve been in her system. They all dismissed her because she’s a woman and women are so “hysterical” we don’t know what goes on with our own bodies. So disgusting.
You say you know for a fact but you don't. Firstly a routine blood test doesn’t detect drugs whatsoever, you need to order a seperate 10 screen drug test which doctors don't really do because how does knowing you take illegal drugs help diagnose a medical condition - it doesn't. The main drug used was Lorazepam which is a benzo that is notorious for not showing up on drug tests producing a false negative. More importantly she was already prescribed Lorazepam for her anxiety and with benzos you can't detect the amount only that the metabolite is there or not - so even if they did do the drug test which there was no reason to it would of just shown her prescription meds which to every doctor on the planet is an expected finding and wouldn't of indicated anything of course her medication is in her system. Where did you get that the doctors didn't even bother to check if she had STDs? She said herself she didn't have any idea she had STDs, and we have no idea what they are only that she tested negative for HIV - so if we don't know what they are(and how they could of effected her) and she didn't have any symptoms according to her how are you expecting a doctor to pickup on it? And going further to say they didn't bother because she was married, where was that mentioned? Atleast have a bit of understanding of the situation before you go accusing doctors of malpractice and needing to be investigated.
there are 83 men on the videos who were found in Dominique Pelicot's computer but only 51 men were identified
32 probably were too important to leak
I'm guessing they gave him a false name making it more difficult to identify them.
It’s giving higher up energy. 😒
that woman went through hell. she has my utter respect for making it public.
+1
for him to say i hope my wife will get over it is DISGUSTING
My ex used to do almost the exact same thing to me. I found videos of him and others abusing me while I was knocked out on ambien and xanax. The police didn't take me seriously, I'm not sure if they even took a report, this was almost 15 years ago.
He was incredibly abusive and I was gaslit to the point of being brainwashed. We started "dating" when I was 17 and he was in his mid 20s.
I've never been able to be normal about sex and now I've decided to abstain completely.
I cannot imagine how it would be for this to happen for a decade, and as an elderly person.
I'm so sorry that you didn't get acknowlegded by the police and getting justice from that monster 💔
I'm so sorry and I hope you can work through some of this In therapy because you deserve a full life ❤
You were a child. Hope you are in a better place now. Yes the world is more a horrible place than a beautiful one. Once in a while, we find a genuine person. Hold on to them.
I was in a similar situation as well, he didnt drugged me or anything, I was a minor he was in his 20s and he was abusive, I left when I was 19
He fucked up his life by selling drugs after 1 year. And I am living a totally different, better, happier life.
He will get caught for something eventually.
Edit: Forgot to tell he is in jail now
@@meryemcalskan7578he made other men leave seman inside you?
I got thirty minutes into the video and broke down crying. I am a criminologist, I have seen some of the worst cases imaginable and this one will haunt me. My heart hurts for all of the victims that have come out of this case. Not just Giselle or Caroline, but the families who had to find out that they were victims as well. Bless these women for being outspoken and stopping these bastards.
I can't keep watching this though, my heart hurts too much for them all.
This is why I don't get into relationships. Stephanie had shown me so much cases to be really terrified of men. Almost 12 years single and this may be the safest option.
Its sad that we live in a world where your statement here is actually a pretty safe choice, Instead of a outrageous one. I avoid relationships as well, These cases make me sick to my stomach when I hear them and I feel so awful for all the victims. In my opinion, R@pe and SA is worse than murder.
I'm the same way, but also I'm aware that we're likely being overly paranoid. It sucks but it's really hard for me to trust men romantically. It's so scary to even imagine being in a relationship, and I wish it wasn't this way for me because I long to have a partner sometimes, and I know there are good men out there. I just don't have faith that one will come to me, you know? It's wrong, but it's how I feel.
@@EmanDeMoansame, it's honestly hard to me when it feels like that majority of men wants a relationship to only use you for sexual intentions and nothing else.
You're not paranoid.
Majority of men are evil. If they aren't evil outside the house they are evil towards the woman who lives under the same roof.
If they don't physically and sexually end you they use psychological means to do it.
When you don't hear about these crimes you will know about serial cheaters, psychological manipulation, financial abuse.
As someone who’s in a long-term loving relationship with a man, I don’t blame you… I consider myself lucky I found a decent person. The first s*xual experience I’ve ever had was being coerced into the act. The last guy I dated before my bf told me he understood why men r*pe women after I told him I wanted to be celibate. 😐
When I was in college they had a board where you could write a question and anyone could answer it by writing on the board.
One of the questions was "If a married man has sex with his wife and she says "no" is it rape?"
It terrified me how many people said "no it's his wife." You'd be surprised how many people genuinely believe that when a man marries a women - that women loses individuality and is his to own and make her decisions for her. He owns her like an object and can do whatever he wants with/to her because he has a legal status as her partner.
this case is so sad, what type of husband does this??
@@Jaylahne. evil husbands
He also had pictures of his daughter ....horrible betrayal and disgusting!!!
a bad one
the one who is 80% of men
@@Minjoiestatistics sourced from where?
People complain about the current dynamic about marriages, everybody has standards too high, nobody wants to have children, etc. and uses the example of “older” marriages because “lasted” as if their generation violence didn’t exists for them. THIS IS BEYOND HORRIFIC…
EXACTLY !! The only reason the marriages lasted was because women didn't have the rights to refute
Most people forget that the only reason those marriages lasted was because women weren't allowed to divorce. I don't understand why, as a woman, we are not viewed as humans 😢
The reason why marriage lasted was because women didn't have money so needed to depend on men. Now that woman have money, literally no man is needed. Men project their fears onto us and say we will stay with cats but cats don't SA and make mess like they do
And this is why i never immediately jump for joy when I hear people having married for decades just because somebody has had a long marriage doesn’t mean the marriage was good or healthy at all. This is honestly barbaric and abysmal behavior. He’s disgusting beyond belief.
the fact that they were married for a whole four decades before starting to drug and SA her (it could've started earlier), like that's horrifying. the possibility he was a decent partner for decades and then decides to do it
I feel you dude . Like I have seen it in person in case of my paternal grandparents. Both were sick. My grandmother hated girl child and grandfather SAs few . We filed complain but no other family members trusted us . On his death bed he confessed about all of the things and other family members were shocked to find out he had a 35 year old lady pregnant and had a girl child as a result.
We are not in contact with any family members except one of my older brother who trusted me with everything.
as a French listener I'm glad you covered this case, its a turning point in French law regarding rape and in mariage rape.
every time i think men can’t go any lower i’m proven wrong
Are you a bot? 😂 She asked for it, stop coping, go back to voting for Trump😂😂
@@d4mterro320🤡
How exactly did she ask for it? Have you even watched the video...@@d4mterro320
@@d4mterro320proving the point further
Not all men are like this just because you’ve been exposed to the bad ones…doesn’t mean other women has.
I was born and grew up in Paris. I left when I was 26 to live in London, UK. I left France because of the levels of misogyny/sexual harassment in the workplace as well as discrepancies between salaries of men vs women. Growing up in Paris, mums drill into their daughters that it’s dangerous and culturally unacceptable to show too much skin, especially in the métro! If your skirt is too short or your cleavage too prominent, women will tell you to your face that if you get attacked, you just begged for it.
Moving to liberated London where women of any shape of form can wear whatever they fancy and tell men “what are you looking at, you perv?!” was sooooo freeing!
France needs to grow up. It’s high time we stopped treating men as animals with urges they need to satisfy and women as temptresses or virginal angels.
You have a point there, but a man showing off his private parts will get arrested and rightly so. The fact that so many woman in the uk do that now is down right disgusting, and nothing happens to them. Having modesty isn't the same as sexual freedom.
@@gachacaspa showing cleavage or some leg is not the same as showing your private parts. no woman is going out showing their entire vagina
Where did he get all those drugs? How come no doctor or pharmacist asked questions? Those amounts should trigger an investigation.
They go to different pharmacies and bring their prescription
The thing is. European countried do have prescriptions, right, but there are a lot of medications we can get by talking with just the pharmacist. For example antibiotics are prescriptions, but if you do not have a prescription, pharmacist can find the closest nonprescription medications anyone could buy. And whose to say that the man didn't know any doctor
@@alyssarock779 I don't think that's possible... When we go to a pharmacy, the prescription is put through a machine that prints the date and other informations on it, sometimes it's also stamped with the date. That way, even if you go in a different pharmacy, they can check how many refills you've had and how many you're allowed... I have no idea how he could get all those drugs but it feels shady AF...
Guys, pharmacists are trained to recognise drug abuse. Those are meds you won’t get without prescription and can refuse to sell you medication if he believes you may use it as recreational drug or to harm yourself or others. Those sleeping pills are controlled substances because of how addictive and dangerous they can be. Many people who struggle with insomnia don’t get them prescribed for years and this guy was having them regularly prescribed for over 10 years? He was either buying them on black market or pharmacist or doctor were on it
@@alinasikorek9184they don’t need a script in the EU for meds like these
A part of me thinks that society considers all women to be dirty unless they can prove otherwise.
A women gets assaulted, first course of action - make sure she didn’t do anything that could have suggested to the perpetrator that they might ‘want it’. How are we not rioting at how disgusting that is.
Women already have to constantly monitor everything we do, where we go, what we wear, how much eye contact we make, how long till it gets dark, will I have a safe exit route etc etc. just so as not to ‘attract’ the wrong attention.
Whereas what we should be doing is large scale education of boys and men and harsher consequences as a deterrent. Taking ANYTHING related to the victim completely out of the equation as irrelevant.
But sadly, we will not get there.
This comment made me cry. You’re so right.
We have to keep trying
Women need to take action.
@@baddie1shoe how?
I'm not even halfway through this video and I am so infuriated by the thoughts of these vile disgusting "men". How dare they even TRY to give some form of excuse for what they did. Gisele is such a strong woman and I wish and pray all the best for her and her loved ones.
This is probably one of the saddest stories yet. To think that your husband would hurt you this way, the man who promised to take care of you and your family, did this. I wouldn't know how to recover! My prayers go to their family..
I interact with many men...and many men talk trash about their wives. In Christian dominated North Carolina most men say "most women are whores". I hate North Carolina's culture...marital rape legal here...thanks to Christian women voting for it...until 1997.
Imagine being betrayed by the very person who is supposed to love and protect you. These women are so strong for pushing past the shame to keep the perpetrators accountable
Agreed.
its the fact that over 10 years, 72 men showed up and NOT ONE showed up and said, “i’m not here to take advantage of your wife, i’m here with the cops”
Instead there was even a cop and a fireman taking advantage of her. Welcome to France y'all
@@queen84sasha this isn't just a men from France thing :( it's so disturbing for a reason (well... SO many reasons)
@@FeelTehPOWA no unfortunately not just France Ur right. Tho sum societies more prone to this stuff. I've been living in France for to long to know there's a societal problem that makes it possible for these things to happen here. Spain has really stepped up feminist laws in recent years. I live there as well half of the year and the difference in mentality is huge. Spain is way more tough against rapists and such. France still got this Hush Hush mentality. Impunity culture and laxist law system. Almost to the absurd. Even now they trying to make the perpetrator Dominique into a victim. At some point one has to draw the line and quit empathising with serial rapists for the sake of the whole society. It's really sick if you ask me honestly.
French girl here, thank you for covering this case! That’s painful to see how much women still struggle to this day to be free from this kind of crimes…especially with this type of monsters…
On top of the horrible SA it’s truly despicable that he took out loans in her name. I’m so glad she made her case public. During the metoo era I remember a bunch (almost 100 people) of famous French women wrote and signed a letter saying the metoo movement had gone too far and to get over it. Wow.
Who TF??? It's gone on for that long because there were that many case and still way more coming.
I don’t think I can ever look at people especially men the same way again. Everyone to me, could potentially guilty of unspeakable perversion and evil. You can’t even trust the person you devoted your life to since age 18. The person who lies next to you every night. Your lover and best friend and the father of your children.
Wow. To me everyone is potentially a deviant evil person. Even normal people off the stress were coming in to assault this poor woman. It’s utterly disgusting and scary. This perturbs and disturbs me to my core.
I can’t imagine the trauma The wife went through. I hope she finds healing and peace
I'm surprised that the idea that anyone you know could be evil is new to you. I don't think I could pinpoint a time in my life before knowing that the spouse is the first suspect in murder cases, that you have to be careful when dating because date-rape is a thing, that child abuse and neglect is a thing. You'll learn to live with the knowledge though. You don't have to spend your life in fear. I recommend taking self defence classes. Most cases aren't like this. Most attacks involve intimidation, violence or being physically overpowered. Taking a self defence class will help you to feel a lot safer and genuinely do help most of the time. If you learn nothing else learn an arm lock, that's helped me out a few times. How to get out of a choke hold is another good to know move.
I think one of the unspoken heroes of this story is the supermarket security guard. He’s the one who found out the asshole was filming. After that, he pushed for the women to press charges. It’s because a case was opened that the monster’s devices could be reviewed by the police.
Every last one of those men needs to be held accountable. The level of trauma Giselle will be experiencing is unimaginable. Poor woman, her trusted partner was an absolute hell beast.
This might sound wrong, but him not even doing it fot money is sicker and more disturbing, like he literally just wanted her to be sa’d and that’s it…
I don’t see your point at all! Will money really diminish the trauma of rape? or even the rapist responsibility ? not at all....
No fuck you that’s not “sicker” drugging your wife and letting men assault her for money or not for money are equally and awful. It’s not worse because there’s no money being exchanged. Delete this disgusting comment this is so disrespectful and foul not everything you think should be said out loud.
@@laurencerenaudie4999not at all this is such a foul thing to say
@@laurencerenaudie4999of course not! I think what she meant was that him doing if for pleasure rather than for financial gain, and while being in financial trouble, still not taking money, makes his motive even more sick and vile. Of course rape is never okay, no matter the reason or background , but taking pleasure in strangers raping your daughter, and your wife.. that’s next level. It’s not for money, it’s for pleasure. Either way this is messed up as hell.
no I get what you mean
And there's men who still ask why we say "We choose the bear!"...
Exactly!! Then they will say "not all men" but stay silent infront of their bros who abuse, cheat etc because of "bros code", they rly should speak out to their fellow men rather than to us because those toxic men made men in general look bad
@@ryss335not to mention how defensive they’re being in the comments just to be seen as different than the rest. It’s not all men but it’s way too many. That should be the bigger focus but nope all they care about it’s hearing the magic words of “not all men”🤦🏾♀️. These are the same men with mothers, sisters, daughters and wives. Scary to even think about. I’m side eyeing any man claiming to be a father, a husband, a brother and their only concern is that we say not all men. 🥴
@@chinaking918 exactly!!!!! it's rly is enough men that make us wary of most/ ALL of men, also The way they doesn't even bother to listen about our women's issues until we said something about men and suddenly they appear just to say "not all men", seems like they only used that to try and convince themselves that they're not like those other dudes rather than speaking out against bad men and raise awareness to their fellow men so that they could be better
Are you serious? A Bear over man? From what I understand less than 1% of men are like that and 99% of bear if I am not wrong during first close encounter will strike you with its paw with an average 800-1200kg force power causing you to go into coma or instant death then they could aggressively bite you with its razor sharp teeth penetrating either your eyes, face, neck etc, causing you immerse pain and tearing you bit by bit apart after that with whatever arsenal it has. Your corpse will become one of the most unrecognisable one after the ordeal and the pain of dying in this process is immeasurable. Everyone in your family or people who love you will grief about your gruesome death and possibly weep, 😢 including some of them being man.
The issue here is don’t spread false ideology about humankind or men. It’s not as bad as you think. If you don’t find a good man because of your thinking, don’t stop others from finding one.
You might seriously need to look into your life and find more meaningful things to go after than just hating the male population. Your propaganda is destructive to humankind as a whole and you haven’t realised it yet.
Put me with 10 men on the jungle and we will survive together.
Put me with 1 bear and I will run for my life, please don’t spread false propaganda cause if you do that, you seriously need help.
@@unihydra Shut up. Just... shut up.
Who was supplying the husband with all the drugs required to do this to her for 10 years? How did this not raise red flags with pharmacy regulators, or do they not exist in France?
He would have visited several different pharmacies & probably driven out of area to get them.. they would be over the counter in France
I feel so bad for her, imagine discovering something was done to your body while unconscious… so helpless smh and not just once but numerous times… for almost 10 years omg… just so awful. Some men are the literal devil… wow and the daughter