Pro Racer's Take: 2019 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 and 2020 GT350R
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- Опубліковано 16 гру 2019
- Yes, Ford recently launched its all-new Mustang Shelby GT500, but its Mustang Shelby GT350 and GT350R models are still on our list of favorite performance cars now on the market. We like them so much, in fact, that we named them 2016 Automobile All-Stars. And since then, Ford has made them even better to drive. Find out how they compare right here.
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Honestly, this is the best GT350 & R review I've seen over the years. Clearly not just a sales pitch. Great job
Nice unbiased review Andy. No BS from a pro driver....who raced Corvettes .....and at the National Corvette Museum track .....giving Fords a good report card! As a Chevy man I can appreciate all good performance vehicles and obviously so can you! That's what we need more in all journalism today......fair reporting without bias.
Great review and comparison! I love my GT350, which I daily drove for 3 years! My kids fit in it just fine and going to work always put a smile on my face! Great way to start and end the day driving it!
This was just lovely. Direct to brass taxes , then finished off with the best "topper"
( unbelievable its 4yrs old already)
These were such great videos. Really miss them. So thorough and informative
Great info. Really love the production quality and editing. Nice work.
Great unbiased review you got your self a new subscriber looking forward to your next one keep up the great content.
Great review. Informative, and good clear comparison
I just discovered this series and it is awesome, surprised it is not more popular. Great job keep it up! I am sure once more folks discover them they will become more popular. I am curious if you swapped the tires how much of a difference would their be? Those carbon wheels are very cool but seem a bit impractical for daily driving, one good pot hole or curbing would be heart breathtakingly expensive. Could you find a lower cost option that could get close to that performance?
We're going to keep posting them! And as of right now it's hard to beat the performance of carbon wheels - could be good to swap to alloys when you leave the track if you're worried about price.
Another FANTASTIC review and some really AMAZING driving. If given a choice between the GT500 and the GT350 for me it will always be that GT350. That engine combined with that manual shifter is where the sweet spot is. Until I am uber-rich and can have a car just as a toy, back seats, and usable trunk space matter so I really appreciate showing us that. Not too many people do which is why my money would go to the GT350 over the GT350R. Excellent job at explaining the difference between the two. The ONLY thing that saddens me about these cars is that this is the last year Ford will offer them :( If you want one get one now before the price skyrockets in the aftermarket.
"I'd fill the sunglasses drawer with change to annoy the passenger" 😂😂😂
Awesome review and the BEST comparison by far to show people the difference between the two cars! The track laps you don't hold back at all and I give you 10 out of 5 stars! :-)
This is the video I was looking for, thanks!
Excellent video. Great to hear Andy's perspective.
Hey Andy--I've met you a couple times including just after you won at Portland in the Pirelli Cup and also at the 911 GT1 LeMans talk up in Seattle a couple years ago. Great review, and I can't believe how calmly you do the voiceover while driving. Well done. Bet you are a terrific instructor.
Terry Thomas I think he did the voiceover in post production, which I wish more car reviewers would do.
I know, I was thinking about the voice over too. Thinking.. no way this isn’t posts production! Ha
great videos....I want MORE!!!
Where can we look for your lap times summary? Great reviews👍
This video was a pleasure to watch. I enjoyed the commentary. But, it was a little funny when you said you were going to track the GT350R and the video then showed you driving the GT350.
I've been hoping you guys would review this car! One of my favorite cars especially for the money. You'd have to go to a manual 991.2 GT3 to upgrade from the GT350R.
Do this cars have any turbo or supercharged?
@@wrxstivideos7422 not turnos or supercahrgers. This is the Voodoo engine. 5.2L NA V8 that revs to 8250 rpm
@@slipkmaggot Beautiful NA engine and one of the best for track days imo. I'd have a GT 350R along side the GT3 for turning laps to experience the best of both worlds(American Muscle vs German Sports Car). Honestly the Ford may be the best performance bargain on the planet and I had never given any thought to owning a Ford until now. Well done Ford Performance.
Thanks for the great review!
The rattling change comment is priceless.
Best comparison ever between GT350 and R. Thank you very much it seem to me only 1 second different not worth it i prefer regular GT350 for extra seats and less money👍
but its got an R at the end of it!
Subscribed as soon as the video was over. I like your no nonsense reporting. Just wish I had your driving ability. I have a 2017 Chevrolet SS with the manual transmission and love it, but Ford makes some great cars too.
Fantastic review
Love Andy's reviews at the track ! Really great driving... Those times speaks the performance of the SS 1LE, a lot cheaper, as fast as the GT350 with CUP2 despite having 66Hp less and slighly inferior tires.... Doesn't change the fact I love GT350/R, love less the reliability issues...
I always thought that the SS1LE is at the same competition level of the Shelby GT350R & GT350
They sacrificed the looks of the car for performance, lol.
Ford banned magazines comparing the GT350 to Camaro ss 1le. There was a reason behind that. You can clearly see why. $40,000 car marches the performance of a $60,000 car.
Great reviews. I’m a fan.
Please make more videos like this. Sorely missed content like this. Please more vids like this
I’ve been loving the videos. I have a F87 M2 and I would be thrilled to see your take of the OG M2 vs. the M2C; it would be pretty epic to see you ripping them around a track. Especially since you’ve got the Supra experience to compare engines. Thanks!
Thanks for your support! We'll see what we can do about an M2 showdown.
Great test drives.
How do they compare with the Camaro SS1LE? Which has the fastest lap time?
Would love for you to test the 2020 760HP Shelby on the same track
Just got my 350R, it's used 2018 with 16500 but still rips.
have u done a C7Z yet? love to see your time @ NCM
Shelby GT350 or Shelby GT350R - which to choose…thanks for your review. You did a great job in explaining and differentiating these almost identical models. Such wonderful iconic cars. Ford created history with them.
Great video.
In Australia i have a 2017 Mustang GT i do like it but seeing all these GT350 R and GT350 reviews i would give my left nut to own a GT350 R! You just can't get them here!
After driving both, do you feel a smart buyer should go with the base or the R? (Is the R worth the additional $10-15k)
No need for change in the sunglasses drawer to induce a rattle, it's a Mustang! I JUST got a GT350 (my 3d Mustang) and already have a glovebox rattle. 200 miles. I don't care!!!! Car is wonderful, video was great thank you, new subscriber.
@Anders Eriksson She's a 2019. I've purchased my fair share of new cars including a 2018 GT, and this is the very first time I have felt ZERO buyer's remorse after purchase. This thing is something to behold.
So, when will you do the C8? That should be very interesting.
I wonder how the Shelby GT350R would compare with the Corvette C8 Z51 or Camaro SS1LE
I've owned both previously. With the subtle updates I think I would choose the standard 350 over the R if I were to buy again.
But what about the sound difference?
@@mateistefanescu9590 the sound of the 350 is more refined imo. It also costs very little to remove the resonators on the base 350 if you want identical exhaust to the R. The R is more raspy, if you like that sort of thing it's great. I preferred the base 350.
@@DonkeyEvo sweet thanks for the insight!
I agree with you, I had a 2017. Granted, I never had an R, but believe the standard was worth the value considering the law of diminishing returns.
I have a standard 17 350 and although I've never owned or driven the R, I would have to agree with you. I like the not-as-raspy sound the standard 350. I also wanted the usability of a rear seat if need be and I have the heated and cooled front seats which in my opinion are a must as I don't track the car. They actually still have plenty of support and are unusually comfortable. The only thing that I like about the R is the slightly wider wheels and tires along with the lighter wheels on the R but I will never actually get the car to the limit where I would notice anyway. Overall I couldn't be happier with my standard 350. It's such a magical car to drive.
The sound is so fine...
Had no idea my car had a sunglasses/change holder.... thank you for that info
I bet you don't know there's a fuel funnel on the back of the trunk
Another great run with racer Andy Pilgrim.
I read the GT350R has the steering from GT500....is it the GT350R steering and handling been improved by that change?
Nice video! I had a 2017 GT350, I now have a 2016 GT-R. I'd be remiss to say that the GT-R is in a whole other class, albeit lower than some of its supercar competitors. I really liked that car nonetheless; no nannies and such a beautiful exhaust note!
Nissan GTR or Shelby GT350R?
Amazing to see this faster than the Nismo (sure, temps and track conditions apply). Also, seeing the GT4 a notch ahead of the GT350R has me swooning to buy the one sitting at the dealer!
I believe on both 2020 models you get the same tires but different sizes like you mentioned. Pilot Sport Cup 2’s.
Great review that really nailed down the differences pretty well.
I’ve been reading that the R actually has a little different sport cup 2 tire. I didn’t know that either
@@MStrange88
Yes, you are correct. In ‘19 the non R got the same compound tire as the ‘18 R while the ‘19 R got a upgraded compound PSC2’s.
I think I’m right but who knows ;-)
Would be nice to hear an opinion on how much of the 2+/- second
difference was generated by the simple (much) better track tire and
wider rubber on the 350R. Should have shod the GT350 with like tires for
a better "apples to apples" comparison! I imagine tires alone might
gain back a second+/-...
And a really big question...
Is there any steering feel and/or feedback in these cars?
I have a BMW M2 Competition (I'm a track rat) and I'll NEVER love the car because it's steering, though precise and accurate, is absolutely NUMB to what's going on between the front tires and the pavement. A crying shame. Porsche found "feel" in every step of the way over 10 years of electronic steering development and BMW doesn't even try!
how does this car compared to the 2015 camaro z28 ?
great video!!GT500>zl1,1le video should be next.
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GT350 and Camaro SS 1LE pretty much put the same time on this track little behind the GT350R. For the money, Camaro SS 1LE is a steal.
Yup, what GM did with that platform for the price is amazing.
i did the math...the 30 profile tires will be the equivalant of a 3:90 reat end ratio in stead of the 3:73 on the 35 series rear tires...less outside circumferance...means a quiker dead stop take-off...a reeel big deel with a low-end torque sufferer.
Mate, all I can say is WOW
Man, love these cars. The ss 1le on the same tire would probably split the difference between the two gt350/R
Yep, for a lot less money and despite 66hp power disadvantage, on a pretty fast track which favors a little high HP
I’m at the bottom of the performance food chain of Ford, I have the 2014 Fiesta ST with many mods, I love my Michelin Pilot 3’s I cant even imagine driving the GT 350-R, all this does it make me want to just into the ST and get on three wheels. The Fiesta Flash 🤙🏼
Wow what a car
Why is the 0-60 so different on cars with the same motor and transmission?
It was explained in the video, 100 lb weight difference and R has a lower clearance.
Do a shot every time he says gt350.
🥴
Love the sound 👌 #fordblue
The base Shelby GT350 needed the Cup tires to be able to match the SS1LE on street tires. That shows that the Camaro's "Alpha" chassis is superior, the SS1LE can go easily against a BMW M2 Competition. A great car👍🏆
You lost me when you tried to say the back seat was good. lol. Yeah, It's good to hold a book bag or laptop bag. That's what it is good for.
Thought Automobile shut down?
What your opinion on the new Bullitt in comparison to the GT350 as far as overall performance? Have you driven one? I’ve got the Bullitt and I’m wondering if there’s a real or significant advantage in trading for 350?
Joel Remland i’d guess the tremec transmission and suspension alone are significant. If you’re not tracking it though I’d guess just keep what you have? A lot of people seem disappointed in the low end lack of torque in the 350. It’s a blast to drive though. I have not driven a Bullitt, it seems like a solid upgrade over a regular GT though
@@DKLabs99 I would agree with David here Joel. The suspension and transmission are HUGE upgrades but I think the major thing we're not mentioning is that Flat Plane Crank Voodoo. It's hand built and a totally different animal that rivals exotics...at 12-15 built per day it's not a mass produced engine like the coyote.
The other thing is all the engine systems and peripherals like the cooling systems and exhaust system (from the manifold to the tips) are different. Even the Body is completely different from the A Pillar forward not to mention the four piece brake discs. While many of those are for track applications...again it's a totally different animal. You cant really compare them but that said....The Bullit is a fun car to drive...I've driven both and own the Shelby...the only bad thing I can say about the Shelby is that it can be frustrating around the city because you can barely use it...No matter what gear you're in...if you rev it to that sky high red line... you're breaking the law.
Kristofer Trista - thanks for this reply. I’m still driving my Bullitt but not that much as I
Daily a 2008 Miata because I love the lighter more nimble handling of that car. The Bullitt is a great cruiser and is fun to drive. Plus I love the cool understated stealth retro styling. Of course I’m still in love with the idea of getting a 2019/20 GT 350. I test drove a 2017 GT 350 and it was fun and I loved the sound of engine and exhaust note. Plus the styling is great. I’m holding off and getting more time with my Bullitt for now. You’re right about higher revving and higher limits of the 350. Bullitt is more of a GT cruiser daily not really a track beast.
Couldn't you just swap for bigger wheel size of the R and the same tires and get nearly the same track times?
Yep, almost all of the performance difference is due to the lighter wheels and wider, grippier tires. But that won't matter to collectors because the R will be worth a lot more than the regular 350 just for the exclusivity.
The R version is just a handling package after all.
Miatacrosser ford wants to: know your location
You’re insane about rear seat leg room
Those brakes have a larger diameter than the rims on my first mustang, lol.
Do this cars have supercharged turbo?
NA only which is amazing!
Wrong on the aero. Swing makes 230 foot pounds of downforce, GT350R makes 300.
526hp at 7700rpm.
The 2020 gr350/350r has different suspension than a 2019 gt350/350r so this comparison isn’t truely apples to apples for handling. You should have got a 2020 gt350 for a true comparison.
steve burke the 19 Gt350 has a different suspension setup compared to previous models. And the one they tested is a 19, and there isn’t a different between a 19-20 GT350/R
It is a true comparison
Pro racer, no rev match?
He mostly was on 3rd and 4th on the straights. Not much of a shifting.
Instead of saying “GT350/GT350R” every time he could of just said 350 and the R
Important to note, the GT350R has rear differential oil cooler.
So, is GT350 too.
If the weight difference is only 100lbs, then cost value isn’t there. I think it’s the value in the long run for the R being so few made.
For the price of the under horse powered R you might as well put a little more with it and get the 2020 GT500!
Less than two seconds quicker than Camaro ss 1LE.
The Shelby GT350R or the GT350?
ABOUT 4 YEARS AGO, FORD CHOPPED OFF 750 POUNDS FROM THE F-150. ...... JUST IMAGINE IF FORD WAS SMART AND BUILT BOTH CARS WITH ALUMINUM EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL PARTS AND LOSE 400 POUNDS OF WEIGHT.
SHHWWING...!!!
Just wanna throw this out here, the 526hp isn’t at 8250, it’s made at 7500rpm, the last 700ish rpm are just for noise and the experience.
@Steven Losey ...this is not quite correct. Yes, peak power is at 7,500 RPM but no it's not just for noise and the fun factor...you have to consider the average horsepower created over time with respect to the gear. E.g. If I shift right at peak HP let's say in 3rd gear, for 4th gear I will be dragging the gear from let's say 6,000 RPM to 7,500 RPM and then shift again according to your comment.
If I shift at 8,000 RPM and maybe only drop to 6,500 RPM...my average horsepower overtime may be higher...and with this Flat plane crank beast...probably is. I guess you'd have to see a Horsepower curve to know exactly. I would guess going to 8,250 rpm would be a bit excessive on every shift but in think around 8K would be the sweet spot.
If it were a cross plane crank... you'd probably be spot on (of course they dont rev that high) but these engines make very useable power even after peak HP.
They now come with the same engines.
They have always had the same engine.
5:32 dont worry it will rattle the whole time
Also does your wife know you are wearing her jeans?
What's your problem?
That’s funny.
You really forgot to talk about the poor Engineering.
Its too bad that mortals are only given the Chinese manual transmission for the GT
I take a Dodge hellcat redeye
Cuz ur stupid
The torque and power are SO much less than the ZL1. The car was killed by the Camaro. They are obsolete and weak. Only thing the GT350 does better is sound. This is 100 % objective
@shitz Mgee LMAO....spot on. Whether it's the hand built voodoo...the amazing transmission or the sheer enjoyment of driving... I'd say only someone that cant get their hands on a 350 would choose a Camaro....or maybe a Mullet
The 350 has a better ride.
I personally don't like to sport a mull-lock thus went with the Shelby...
The Competition for the ZL1 is the GT500
@snooop Dizzzle the 6th gen Camaro has a better performing chassis compared to any Mustang or Shelby. Ford needs the Track cup tires to be able to compete with the Camaro on just street tires. Check their reviews.
13:46 …100 degrees and he’s wearing a long sleeve shirt under a short sleeve shirt…🤔
Would be nice to hear an opinion on how much of the 2+/- second
difference was generated by the simple (much) better track tire and
wider rubber on the 350R. Should have shod the GT350 with like tires for
a better "apples to apples" comparison! I imagine tires alone might
gain back a second+/-...
And a really big question...
Is there any steering feel and/or feedback in these cars?
I have a BMW M2 Competition (I'm a track rat) and I'll NEVER love the car because it's steering, though precise and accurate, is absolutely NUMB to what's going on between the front tires and the pavement. A crying shame. Porsche found "feel" in every step of the way over 10 years of electronic steering development and BMW doesn't even try!
Exactly why I gave up on M cars. And that coming from 100% Bimer guy. I drove 19' M2 Competition and felt that steering is numb and artificial. Then went to drive 19' GT350. My decision which car to buy was easy and the rest is the history... I 'would never come back to M cars unless they start making similar to E92.