The Truth: Why YOU Can’t Buy Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, or Vacheron Constantin Watches
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2022
- We’ve all seen the meteoric rise of a trio of watches that share one thing in common: fifty-odd years ago, when they first came out, they were critically lambasted. So why on Earth are they impossible to get now? Here’s the true story behind the iconic watch brands: Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, and Vacheron Constantin.
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The reason we can't get these watches is because most of us aren't professional athletes, rappers, Fortune 500 CEO's, or millionaire children.
Would you want to though? For the same prices retail you could pick up some watches just as impressive if not more so, packing way more complication than most
@@bungerroyale112 thats a good question, only real reason some people don't buy fake designer watches is because people will call them out on it. Id much rather buy 10 fake rolexes for a few hundred bucks than sell my liver to buy a real one and not have it do anything greater than the fakes.
yes, your annual salary is their pocket change. but why would you need it anyway, to admire craftsmanship or for investment there are way better options.
It has always been like this unfortunately, Shah of Iran was the first customer and owner of AP Royal Oak. That’s to begin with …
You can just scratch out all of those except for millionaire's children, the rest are a statistical zero in this market population
After owning a GMT and OP for almost 10 years I wanted to get myself a Hulk for my 60th birthday, about 2 weeks later I came across a page about high end clones and decided to give it a try. Once came I compared it to my original GMT (in terms of quality, feeling of the steel etc), I understood one thing, China can't be beaten. There is no chance ANYONE will be able to spot it as a fake, Even the inside movement is identical. The build quality and finish put a lot of legitimate Swiss brands to shame.
Where did you get it from? Asking for a friend 🤣
@@andrewdoe3488 Sweetyclones
@@stevekannan6076 thank you! on Instagram?
@@andrewdoe3488 Yes
Gross.
When I first saw the Nautilus years ago my first impression was that it was an awkward looking 70s watch- a bit like bell bottoms and loud shirts- and I still believe it to this day. If the Nautilus were made by Citizen, no one would have given it the time of day, and it would have been laughed out of the market 35 years ago. But, because it is really really really expensive and hard to even get, then it suddenly turns into an unbelievably desirable "stunning" watch. People are so suggestive.
no, it IS a stunning watch. how the hell would Citizen make it? Takes a lot of artisans, a lot of time to make one. Citizen watches are made by robots.
I can remember everyone laughing at the aquanaut because it was on a rubber strap. I loved them from the beginning to be honest.. But I understand your point 100%.
Horses for courses. Not to knock your taste @kaunas888 but in total contrast, the first time I saw a Nautilus was recently: A fake, in the Grand Bazzar, Istanbul. Being ignorant of Patek watches, I had no idea of it's history, value or modern Hourological relevance. I didn't want to buy a fake but liked the look of it, so took off my seamaster, tried it on and fell in love. As said, I was totally innocent about them and assumed it was a new model, designed specifically to look sort of retro in a really cool way. It fit, felt and looked fantastic. The proportions, weight, ballance and way it sits on the wrist was exceptional and clearly shows how little actual ergonomic design, goes into most other watches. I'd never worn anything like it and my partner pointed out it was the nicest watch she had ever seen me wear, way better than any of my Omegas or my Santos. Doing my research once I got home, I was extremely disappointed to find a 'real one', was out of the question and really wish I had picked up the fake!😂
i love your content, and specifically the background tune please don’t ever change it
Agree completely!
I was in Harrods recently and the AP boutique was literally empty. The ALS and Vacheron boutiques also had very little immediately available.
I bought a blue VC 4500v Overseas for 20k shipped, during the covid lockdowns in 2020; while no one was paying attention. Needless to say it has been amazing to see it climb in value! It's my favorite watch and I'll never sell it though. But I do think that PP discontinuing the 5711 played a small part in helping the overseas to catapult up to where it is now. VC limiting supply has also played a part. Overall it's an amazing piece of watchmaking, and it feels good to have gotten in while the getting was good 😁. Loved your channel for a long time now. Keep up the good work! 👌
I also tried at an AD a blue dial VC Overseas chrono at 21K€ in 2020, did not realize it would become a hit. Saw today a brand new AP bleu dial, seller wanting 110K€ !
Me too, just before lockdown in Feb 2020. The dealer even gave me discount! I’m totally bewildered by current prices.
You think it’s possible to still be able to get an overseas?
Having certain things in life sometimes comes down to where you fall on the food chain and your priorities. I don’t hate on anyone for buying what they want even if is above retail. Their money, their choices and I hope everyone enjoys it in good health.
I couldn't help but stop the video at 3:18 and look at the finishing. If that was a Grand Seiko at a fraction of the price, it would be immaculate. with none of those rough edges. Still wish I owned one, though 😆
You won't find much solace in the logo at 1:53 either. Yikes!
Super video as always. Many thanks. Having said that, while retail prices may be more than justified, I categorically refuse entering into the craze of paying insane premiums for new timepieces.
YMMV - no judgment here. There are many admirable and high quality watchmakers, outside of the three mentioned, still happy to sell at retail or below. For the love of quality and craftsmanship these folks will have my undivided attention. Collectors, speculators and the rest of the world, please stick to your current targets and keep running after the same timepieces.
Agree 100% 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Unless I find one of these watches washed up on a beach in my area( Montreal), there’s VERY little chance I’ll even SEE any of these. 👍🇨🇦
They are in Montreal, you just haven’t noticed them.
SEA?
Excellent as always. I always want to see something about the Ball Magneto S. Have you seen it? With its iris blades at the back that open and close to reveal the movement?
The finishing on the Royal Oak in this video seems a bit off both on the movement and the markers. Do you see the same?
It's a sad fact that investors have ruined the hobby for the genuine enthusiasts. Another example is the classic car scene.
The finish on the Royal Oak's power reserve at 3:18 is dismal as is the hand.
Agreed. Heresy!
great content, video photography and talking points
Absolutely fantastic videos, keep educating everyone!!! Lots of love!!
It would be interesting to look at the average pocket watch collection from 50 years ago and see what it is worth today. I suspect not near as much as people back then would have thought.
So true. But just as now, investment watches is not investing in watches but only in a certain type of watches. If you collected solid gold Lange or repeater watches than you are still very much sitting on gold. A silver omega from the 1920s not so much….
Hey, Watchfinder guy, since you have seen all 3 watches in person (I have not) I am curious. Which of 3 watches in this video would you rather own, if you could only have one of them?
Well said Mr. Talking Hands. Especially with the recent failure of Evergrand in China I also heard a lot of people there are parking their cash into luxury watches
I just purchased an Omega watch. I collect vintage Omega. This watch is the youngest Omega I have.
It is a 1973 Omega Deville 1012. It is a steel watch in fantastic condition! It is an automatic with a gorgeous blue dial..
It is a 23 jewel 2880 movement. Many watches today do not match this watch. So Omega could make a modern spec
Watch in 1973.
Gerald Genta is the Juan Garcia of Watchmaking, we owe everything to him and whilst I'm not a massive fan of any of these, the landscape would be unrecognisable without him.
Genta had the magic touch and I mean in a good way. The time was right and the rest is history.
Wow, never knew the RO was such a swinging for the fences move...thanks so much, more videos like this please!
Thanks for maintaining this format and providing such great information. I much prefer it your new conversational format.
So interesting and well presented. Thank you.
I personally think these watches are very plain. And, that most people desire them because they are expensive. It also makes me chuckle when watches are desired because of color. Same watch, different color and it's worth more or less. Weird.
The last part relating to gold was a little ominous. Some of us like to try to collect small amounts of that yellow pet rock when possible and would rather that people continue to ignore it for many years to come.
agreed
One of your best reviews... Alongside with all the previous others... Thank you!
Great video as always! Quick correction: at 7:05 the watch "Deux cent vingt-deux de Vacheron Constantin" actually marks (and literally means) 222 years. Yes, counting in French is confusing...
It is but not so much in this case, it gets so odd for 70+ on to 99. Just unnecessarily long winded.
There's actually a lot of errors in this video...
Great vid. 👍
What's the name of this bgm I've been listening to for 3 years
Very compelling analysis of supply and demand based on the concept of vintage desirability. I look forward to auctioning my Tissot Rock Watch from the 80s at multiples of the original price.
The catalytic and exponential multiplier effect of the Internet is a spot on point. Add to that the cheap money that’s been sloshing around the world since Nixon dropped the gold standard (Lou Mannheim to Bud Fox…) and luxury/vintage items as storage of wealth (classic cars, old whiskey and wine, Birkins and Billionaires Row condos), and you get a world where everyone knows and covers the so-called trinity but can’t afford to buy a house.
Beautiful video, but my mind keeps wandering to the PRX and the Octo (especially that All Blacks version).
Tissot Rock Watch, wow you sparked a memory there 👍🏻👍🏻
im collecting Gshock Casio Protrek and Citizen, i would like to own at least 1 high end watch like an offshore but im pretty happy with my collection
Hype + Flippers/Greed + Manufactured Scarcity.
“Want to save money on your next watch?’’ Said the UK’s leading price gougers…. Self awareness continues to be something that happens to other companies.
They won't respond to your inquiry anyhow. I sent an email 3 months ago with money in hand and they couldn't be bothered to respond.
I've given up for now , the watch market is for mugs who will in time take a huge hit
Yup same here. I managed to snag a VC OverSeas in 2019 right before they went extinct. Wanted to snag an AP Royal Oak. Was on the imaginary "waitlist" for a Rolex Rootbeer as well. Pretty much gave up on all of them and watches all together. Found a new hobby over the pandemic. Got tired of playing all the AD games and waiting.
Sad to say, watch collecting is now "Grey Market R Us" and for people who are well off that can just scoop one off the Grey Market.
Agreed it will crash and these grey market dealers playing with debt will go bang and have to sell off stock. Every market has cycles
Agreed! But there are plenty of under appreciated watches that are affordable and can bring join.
And if you think the watch market is bad, try buying a house in any major market in the US. It’s as frustrating if not more so. You don’t need a watch; you need shelter.
@@mitchmitchell9588 that's true. I've gotten Omegas, Hamiltons, and Grand Seiko. Believe it or even those are getting hard to come by. Especially certain Omegas.
As for housing, 100% agree. I just bought a house in 2020 so I know the pain. Got very fortunate to buy a house.
Great video. Thank you!
A really good take on the state of the luxury watch market. The craziness will continue as long as the even crazier NFT market keeps going (sigh).
At least with a watch, you get something that’s tangible and couldn’t be replicated by simply a copy and paste essentially. A sign that maybe I’m getting old and cranky. Haha
@@STEVEARABIA1 no. You are correct. When the bear market hits, nfts go down 99 percent
NFTs have zero artistic value
And stop calling NFTs a market, it's a bunch of ignorant dogs that don't even want to know a thing about how an actual market must function
An NFT is just a receipt with a URL attached. Nobody can stop you from making another NFT with the same URL. The first tweet was sold as an NFT for thousands of dollars, but there is literally nothing stopping you from minting a brand new NFT of that exact same tweet for less than a hundred. Nobody who has an NFT actually wants to be the last person to own it - they all want to sell it to someone else down the line. Once people start realizing that nobody who has NFTs actually wants them, they're going to start panic selling.
Wonder why gold dress watches from AP (and really, any midcentury gold watches) never really caught on in the collector world. The ingredients are certainly there: precious metal, Genta design DNA, impressive ultra thin movements co-developed with JLC and Vacheron, etc. Picked up a beautiful IWC Cal 89 and an AP ultra thin for less than a 1601 Datejust.
They were a 'thing' for a brief period in the 90's when it was still watch nerds on forums. Their small size is probably the limiting factor, vintage tool watches tending to be larger and that's what most male collectors want. 70's dress watches got larger. Fashion being one reason. IMHO another reason was that pesky quartz again. Early quartz movements were larger and so the cases and watches had to be and that drove the fashion. I'm getting the impression vintage gold dress watches being touted by some out there as supply of vintage tool watches stagnates.
Simple. Dress watches are out of fashion, so is gold and so is ultra thin. It is all about steel sports.
great explanation! it all makes a lot of sense. by the way, some quartz already is collectible and prices going upwards.
Beautifully thought out video
always such fascinating insights from this channel
Am I imagining, or is the 'automatic' text both askew and off-center at 1:57 ?
I imagine that we are getting into or are already in a bubble by now. Prices for the top brands have become utterly detached from their manufacture cost. In the end the market will assert itself, and a steel 3 hand watch will not cost $60,000. Once the bubble starts to pop the speculators (who are driving this) will panic and run, thus causing a self reinforcing downward spiral. I do not know when it will happen-it may never happen possibly-but I suspect it will occur eventually. When a simple steel watch will cost $200,000 there will be a lot of nice things that folks can buy for that money.
That's the case for other things than horlogery, in the last 40 years prices never went down.
It will of course burst. The reason being that most are bought by speculators hoping the rise will continue, not by people wanting to use them. The latter would create a strong and enduring market, the former is a total house of cards. Without 1000s of genuine end users willing to pay silly money it is just a false market.
Your story telling skills are amazing!
0:46 i thought concours de geneve was a music competition not an annual event for watch competition? you mean d'Horlogerie de Genève?
Passed on a Nautilus for around 17k middle of last decade... Still kicking myself. I could have swung it, barely but had I realized I wouldn't be able to afford one down the road.. I would have.
Aaah.............Shoulda, woulda, coulda............ My brother almost bought a Banksy in 2001 for a few hundred quid.... still sickens him that he didn't.
@@crh7742 I don’t dwell on it but when I think of it, always have a small pang of regret.
I am a bit of a nerd (software engineer) and I found out about bitcoin back in 2011 or 2012 and bought like 100 or 150 of them. Was way before walkers were a thing so I had them stored on my hard drive. Well it died because those early solid state drives sucked and I thought nothing of it and tossed it in the trash. I feel like nothing good would have come of the money but if I thought I could go to the dump and find it… I would haha. That’s my biggest financial mistake.
The banksy would have been worth a TON now. That’s so wild.
@@jolness1 ouch! Bit like losing a lottery ticket! Could be the owner of several Richard Milles now!!
I came so close to selling everything I own and go all in on bitcoin when it came out.
@@crh7742 lol what a dork. that'd be millions now and be could even buy a patek
3:19 what on earth is that?? I’ve seen lousy finishing before but that’s mental.
Oh wow you’re totally right.
Are you telling me that if I walk in to their boutique I won't be able to buy a watch there ?
Excellent as always 👍🏼👍🏼
and now citizen quartz cal 0100 cost a lot!! might be a future collectables watch
The one thing that really pisses me off with the RO (not that I could afford one) ist the 50m water resistance. The looks in the front all business, brushed and screwed tight and then on the technical side… jump into a pool with it? How dare you?
Quickset date not available on a 15k watch, I was done with app when I saw that. Status =/= quality for sure !
no hacking seconds hand and a scratch magnet 🤷🏻♂
It sure looks like an all metal sports watch; one should be able to swim with it.
I mean, every clownish, rosegold, rainbow stonetiled Rolex is safe to swim as long as it bears the Oyster nametag, so 99% of them. It‘s pathetic. I mean that is not an instrument, it is a bracelet that burns cash if you submerge it.
Glad I caught this early. Lucky I live in Japan!
excellent video as always!
Today's watch collectors are only in it for the money factor, not the love of the watch or for any horological reason. It's unfortunate. If my opinion is factual, then just as the hype was built up, it will pass and those looking for profit will sell at any price just to jump on the new bandwagon of hype. My watch collection is based on my tastes and likes. I purchase a watch for me, for the quality of the build, because of its history, because of the dedication of the design and build of the watch. I don't care much for the bling factor, nor do I care for anyone's opinion...just me myself and I.
Exactly. Well said. Don't buy hype. Buy what you like. If it happens to be one of the hype watches, then you have to dig deep or find something else.
I just hope that when the hype is over, watch collecting will not be tainted and looked upon like one of those crazy watch collecting guys who paid insane money for those things. Like stamp collectors are now a days looked upon (as a kid I loved to collect stamps)
@@zgfvavw3037 that could happen. I do hope we don't get to that. at least we're seeing more and more young people designing and building new horological masterpieces. this gives us hope for the future of watches.
Care to share any brands that you think are still rock solid in quality and build and yet selling for below retail?
@@aark89 these watches are in no order and are based solely on my tastes and opinions:
Chopard Alpine Eagle, H. Moser Pioneer, Zenith Defy Classic (skeleton), Glashutte Original SeaQ, Almost any Nomos...amongst others...
Because of mentality of people mentioned in the video, techhnolgy wise better and way more impressive watches like FP Journe, JLC, Blancpain and so on dont get much desirved attention. In my opinion a lot of people colleting watches because of reputation marketing and street credit set by someone else and investment i sted of pashion and personal tast/love for the wathes. I would personaly much rather wear Breguet for same money than Daytona for my own sakes than someone else noticing and complimenting Daytona
I agree with your statement. Have you tried to purchase a F.P. Journe recently? Regrettably there are insane waitlists too.
To me, a Nautilus will always be 2nd place to the Royal Oak. AP had Gerald Genta design the Royal Oak first and Patek wanted to ape in to the hype and the nautilus was born
In terms of design, yes. But in terms of quality, the Nautilus is definitely higher. The RO has a brash unfinished quality. My watch at first felt it had too many sharp edges, and had that rough steel on steel feel. Occasionally there was the hair tug on my wrist too. After wearing for a couple weeks, I guess my skin oils helped lubricate the watch a bit so the watch feels better. The Nautilus has a silk smooth quality right from the start. Simply is a more polished product.
VC picking up some traction over past year so, never did understand why took so long. My list is VC, PP, AP some reason many disregard VC and say rolex.
Would be a good video to go over why so many I guess can say brushed off VC till past year or so, why is that? Same time im not saying any thing bad about the others, we all have our list and favorite brands for our own reasons. Way I see it would be like if people brushed off the Mclaren F1 as a holy grail car. So did VC make their watches not hard enough to get or didt charge high enough, or didt do some crazy changes?
I like quartz watches as they represent an evolution of the watch industry. Perhaps someday they too will be collectors items.
They will never be because it's a battery with a bracelet and some dials
Im a big advocate for staying in your financial lane. If you’re concerned about the price of a watch, you shouldn’t even be looking at that watch. Even if you do have the funds to buy it, you obviously don’t have the financial freedom to justify it.
"If you can't buy it twice, you can't afford it"
Those brands exploit the stupidity of their wealthy clients. Stop buying those brands and buy other exclusive brands such as Parmigiani and Bovet for instance, brands who will take your orders and provide you with a VIP service. You will see how quickly the Patek, Audemars, Rolex will run after you for selling their products. Since when the sellers are making the market ? Since the buyers became sheeps !
I've always like the Royal Oak (the simple three-hand model with date), but I kept passing on them back when they were reasonably affordable. Now I look for other brands that interest me, but haven't caught the attention of the flippers.
What have you landed on? Personally, I am a big fan of the current Cartier Santos
@@TheRealMafoo The Santos is a nice watch. The dressiest watch I'm looking at these days is the Rose Gold/SS 38mm Omega Constellation, which is discontinued now, but you can still find BNIB from Japan.
I bought a Clerc Hydroscaph when a Swiss guy was blowing out inventory last year, picked up a few cheap Russian watches that I liked, then a Zenith El Primero 'Big Blue', a Corum Romulus, a Zodiac Astrographic 2000, a G-Shock, and I'm currently looking at Linde Werdelin. I don't want to spend that much yet, so I am trying to scratch that itch with a Reef Tiger Black Shark from Aliexpress :) Waiting on that one to show up.
@@davidmulligan42 how about the chopard alpine eagle?
@@samfaris313 That one is a watch I'd have to see and try on before deciding. I'm still not sure whether I like it or not, but it's a good watch either way.
i did enjoy that mate very much, thank you
Interesting the social dynamics that are loosed when new technology displaces an industry of very long standing. It will be interesting to see if oil-fired vehicles, like mechanical watches, can somehow maintain their relevance after being surpassed by technological advance.
So this year I'm officially collectible, I wonder if my value will rise though, got to talk with my employer. 🙃
Why you can't buy a PP, AP, VC?
Because you haven't spent enough for them to give you an allocation of because you're not willing to pay premium and go grey
This Audemars Piguet with Flying Tourbillion looks absolute wonderfull! Please more Audemars Piguet content with macro shots! :3
Gotta disagree, compared to the regular RO next to it, the logo which is simply printed on the dial, instead of a dedicated area on the dial almost makes it look like a bad copy.
Brew is a micro brand that started in 2015. All of their watches are sold out except for their 8-Bit Brew. Their watches retail for less than $400.00, yet are selling on the secondary market for $750.00. So yes, quartz watches can definitely end up as collectables.
Just look at fp journe, selling 4x their retail price as a quartz watch
In 1985 and 1986 just about every kid in high school in the Bay Area had a Swatch (and 50% of them had the corresponding rubber guards). They were great watches and literally had 100s of variations to choose from which made them very individual statements. I have a new unworn 1997 Patek sitting in a safety deposit box for the past 25 years - wonder what that's worth...
what a shame you should sell the PP so it can get worn sorry to be negative but If I owned a Patek Phillipe I would where it quite regularly as it's my end goal brand to own
That is the issue once an item is perceived as an investment. They all start to find themselves hidden in safety deposit boxes and not worn and enjoyed. The funny thing is that PP can control release of new stock, but nobody can control when the deposited ones all come out. There are far more of them than there are people willing to pay $200,000 for a steel sports watch. When the price tops out it could be interesting.
Just sad to see that a watch owned you…
That AP logo looks very rough around the edges. GS does a better job?...
AP really splashed out on the finishing of that power reserve. Made in Switzerland by the finest craftsmen's hands you say ;-)
There are so many incredible and interesting watches that dont require such money. Hype touches everything. Remember even at the top if someones wearing something unique aside from these more attention will be on them then on those wearing the same brands and models.
What I think is that I’m fed up with the current state of the watch market. I have pieces that are ruined by value appreciation.
It would be interesting to think that more quartz digital watches from the 70's and 80's could become collectible but I'd guess that would rely on battery availability so maybe batteries may become collectable as well.
With digitals it's more about things like screens. The batteries are all still available. I've a few early Swiss analogue quartz watches from 1970-74 and they all work, though having spare movements is a given. They have become quite collectable and prices have gone up a litte, but still pretty affordable. Early LED/LCD digitals were always quite collectable within a small niche of enthusiasts and some of them can be pretty expensive.
I'm holding on to my seiko data 2000 that still works. Maybe by the time I retire it will sell at auction for crazy money. But somehow I doubt it. 😆
@@The_action_is_the_juice You never know Willy. 😆 And I'm only half joking. Y'know those 60's and 70's Rolex Daytonas that go for bazillians? Ever wonder why they're so rare? Ever wonder why you see ones that are new in box? Nobody bought them. They were about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit, especially the "newman" style. By the 70's they were selling them to their extended staff for in the UK for 40-50 quid. The 'trck' if there is one is to hang onto something that was expensive and quality when new, but went 'unfashionable' and usually dumped, because that's usually what will be a fashionable collectable one day.
A Lange and Sohne.... These watches will rocket in price. There is no reason why they wont. They are far better watches across the piece
Good job
Slightly less than lavishly finished power reserve indicator at 3:19. 😲
The Return of the Music! YES!
Finishing on the VC blows the other two away. Easily the best watch of the three.
Can you share the title of the music you use in your videos?
Lets be very frank and honest here.If these watches were powered by elastic bands and various bits of twig available in your garden they would still sell for ludricrous money.Why.... because some people think that wearing one because of the name on the dial makes them feel better than everyone else.Thats it.Its become a shallow game that only shallow people play.
No it's not. I collect items like this (guns, knives, watches, etc) and they never leave my house, nor do I tell people about them. It's a self-satisfaction of owning something special which holds resaleable value should I decide to liquidate.
Glen that’s an extremely low resolution remedial take … sad
Awful take
@@HEATSEEKER00 I am far from "sad".I just think and see.
I agree and disagree. Many people buy these ‘holy trinity’ sports watches for an investment or for image. I bet most such people wouldn’t even bother to admire the hand finishing under a loupe. True enthusiasts however would appreciate the craftsmanship, hundreds of man-hours design and precision of this mechanical wonders. That said, with their ludicrous prices they are still hyped (well certainly the Nautilus anyway).
❤️😍🤩 the original anthem of watch finder is back! Чудесно 👏🇬🇧👍
Original early Swatch watches will be the next must have... or maybe not. 🤔
To many of you. To give you an example, I purchased a V.C overseas in blue not even 2 years ago from the Miami boutique for $19,100. You could get it even cheaper used on Chrono 24. Where were you then. Now that watch is trading around $50K. Its now time for others to look for the next great watch.
I am now looking at smaller German companies and there products. In December I ordered a custom made D. Dornbluth and Son. A one of a kind( Big date, salmon, blued hands ,applied blue Arabic numerals, in rose gold) and yes the wait is over a year but so what? All the hyped watches are a lot longer than that. Maybe this direction may interest you.
Dornbluth looks boring
@@SGfamilies Make it until you like it. I have a feeling within a couple of years the wait list will be over 2 years or more and the price will be over the roof.
There are other micro brands to chose from. Its up to YOU to find the needle in the haystack.
@@roberthiers5606 I think you might be right on Dornbluth. Looks like a quality watch.
@@SGfamilies Thank You. Unlike the rest of the herd, you will be getting a bespoke watch.
Well put. I too think the waiting time for Dornbluth will go up. The bespoke crafting and the superlative quality of the finish blew me away when Watchfinder featured them.
its a business strategy thats being used by Nike too. the strategy is make it "limited" (knowing that they can produce as much they can or to supply the demand for those who want it) but choose not to because they know people want what other people want. people tend to feel special if they got what others dont. its like you are in an imaginary exclusive club.
Thanks ✍️ Mr HANDS
This episode is a bit nicer 🌀
Most of these watches could be produced at the same quality for like $500. Not many materials.
5:05 lmao love the commentary
Just bought my first RM replica im so excited!!! I dnt care its a copy just think its a cool watch!
What’s going to be the next watch brand to go up in value way above retail? 🤔
I would like to suggest the channel owner to change a little bit the background music. Past years there were some very nice pieces of songs to the videos... Dunno why he keeps running just this one...
Spending house down payment money on a watch will never make sense.
Agreed, but it depends on the housing market. When contrasted to down payments for NYC, LA or SF, watch prices are in-line. That shows that both markets are a mess!
Well obviously you aren't a buyer with disposable excess income
@@mitchmitchell9588 My point is, if the watch costs as much as half a house ANYWHERE, that money could be used for better purposes, the most I've ever spent on a watch is $10k, and anymore than that just seems like a waste.
@Jay S I get it. It’s always a good idea to have a limit on the spend for a watch or a car…or a night at the baccarat table. I could make the argument for $20k, but I doubt I would persuade you. Alas, I am not as convincing as Bill the Butcher…
3:20 I would feel scammed if I pay for that quality.
I’ve bought 7 watches ap and 5 watches patek this year
I don't see the beaty. Are we certain it's not just the name?
I don't care about the engine if I can't see it.
These 3 remind me of diamonds. We have more than the market can absorb.
Would the majority still crave these pieces if their value fell by 50% on leaving the store like they did just a few years ago…they have become commodities items for Flexing ones wealth and the vast majority have Zero passion of love of Horology…human nature dictates the more you cannot have that item the more you crave it..
Love your videos. What's the song title?
I only come for the background tunes lol, nah and he makes awesome videos with great watches
it boggles my mind, that these screws in the tourbillion are not lined up to their arms -.-
No watch is impossible to get. They're all on the grey sites for a premium. It's a luxury watch buffet on those sites if you're willing to pay the premium
I feel they are keeping the brands integrity by pulling inventory. If everyone has money and wants to buy the best, it no longer becomes the best
Or luxury.
I’m buying quartz now. The prices are reasonable
And they tell better time