Charge Of The Light Brigade - Battle of Alma
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- Опубліковано 22 січ 2008
- The Battle of Alma, as seen in the movie The Charge Of The Light Brigade (1968)
Movie information, cast and plot summary:
us.imdb.com/title/tt0062790/
Historical information regarding the Crimean War and the Battle of Alma:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_o... - Фільми й анімація
"Fear not, my Lord. Regardless of the outcome of this campaign, future generations will name a sweater after you."
Nice one
At 6:05 'Whoever is wounded - lie where he is until a bandsman comes to him. No soldier may go off carrying wounded men. If any man does such a thing - his name shall be stuck up in his parish kirk. Advance!" Great stuff.
Much has been made of the Cold War rivalry of the USA and Russia but much of British-Russian relations is greatly underestimated. Both steeped in great history there is a past of empires, war, resentment and Royal blood, essentially love-hate that still exists today.
Just as an anecdote, I was in a factory on business several years ago in Bradford,UK. It was a former wool mill but had closed and was then an engineering operation. In any event they told me the material for both the British and Russian troops was produced there for the Crimean war.
Much like Ford plants in Germany producing trucks for the German Army during WW2. Profits.
The Crimean War was a campaign that showed how the British soldier’s worst enemy was not the enemy shooting at him, but his own incompetent generals and senior officers.
true that brother
+MarsFKA
When has it not been thus ?
Incompetence is the worst enemy of any soldier be it from a lowly rifleman on sentry duty to the commander in chief
Something to remember is that Raglin and much of the British Army's officer corps hadn't seen action since Waterloo, and in the case of Raglin he was nothing but a glorified desk jockey, not a field officer. But at the time it was who do you pick: The Lord who had his arm shot off at Waterloo, but has never really held a field command and hasn't seen action since Waterloo, and in fact has been confined to a desk for most of his career, or the General who is a career officer, is popular with his men, has been on multiple colonial campaigns and has shown talent and initiative in command and logistical organization. They would pick the Lord who had his arm shot off at Waterloo simply because he was a Lord.
Add into that Lucan and Cardigan detested each other and yet were allowed to serve as officers in the same unit (any other officer, would've checked their backgrounds and records and likely would've learned of their feud and would've seen to it that they were kept as far away from each other as possible. Hell Lucan's actions in Ireland during the Great Famine alone should've disqualified him as a commander ) and you had a ticking time bomb
That and several of the brightest officers with any capacity for offensive thinking and being most capable of fighting a war in the Crimea, were basically stationed elsewhere. Wellington did em the worse service by dying in 1852, just before this all started. He also was notorious for giving his subordinates little independent authority. The famous exchange between Uxbridge and himself about his plans for the Battle of Waterloo show it, how clearly Wellington instilled that only the most senior general knew everything. It was much the same rigid problem the Royal Navy suffered, the death of Admiral Byng just about made the Royal Navy suicidal to beat anyone who took em on, especially if they happened to be French. Sir Colin Campbell was probably the most offensive minded general of the war at least at the Brigade level, along with Scarlett and the Heavy Brigade. Sir George Brown was really the only general worth a damn at the Divisional level for the British. It became a mire from there on in. Ironically, if the war had been fought just a decade earlier, a vast majority of the generals who were Commanding troops at Waterloo at the Brigade, Divisional and even Corp level would have been available, including Wellington himself. It may have went differently then. Who knows.
I'm not sure the movie is really portraying correctly Marechal de Saint Arnaud. He was an soldier who moved up the ranks serving in the Foreign Legion in Algeria. He was fierce-less and fought against local tribes. He was known to have walled alive 800 men from the Sbeha tribe in 1845. He supported Napoleon III by shooting opponents in Paris during the 1852 coup. In Crimea he was aged 56 and he fought the Alma battle ridding his horse Nador for 12 long hours. I suppose he could have held the bad guy role in the movie, but instead he's shown here like an helpless old man.
He also died of stomach cancer 8 days later, so...
It's a British movie, ofcourse other countries are going to be portrayed less favourable...
i love these old films....extras in costume beats CGI anyday
Amazing all the extras employed in the days before CGI. Although the dialogue seems strange, having read a book on the battle, most of it is authentic.
Is "Wussians" authentic dialogue?
@@EchosTackyTiki it is meant to portray the inbred, learning disabled nature of a fair chunk of the British officer corps
@@EchosTackyTiki Yes, the soft 'r' sound was an aristocratic affectation.
I love arm chair generals on the internet
I've been on the Alma and walked the battlefield of Balaklava. Interesting.
After the battle of Alma, a French officer proclaimed that only British infantry could have taken that hill.
This film got it right by showing that French Marshal St Arnaud was the one to come up with a very clever battle plan of diversion and distraction. No small feat considering the Marshal died of illness a few days latter. Unfortunatly this film ignores the role played by the French at the battles of Alma and Balaclava.
the French won at the Redan redoubt
Gielgud putting in a stellar performance.
Yes indeed...
011258stooie He’s not well you know 😂
Britain (and France) actually won the Crimean War and the battle of Alma. The charge of the Light Brigade was a terrible mistake but the Heavy Brigade smashed a much greater Russian cavalry force and the British infantry beat a much larger Russian force (thin red line) that same day. So actually it was quite a good day for the British army, if not for the British Light Cavalry.
Looks like You know nothing about those events. The Crimean military actions were the only small part of list of events taken place in European part of Russia, Middle east ad Far East. The Anglo-Saxons, French, Turkey finally lost the war. The Crimean can be considered as only small battle comparable with other events.
Result of all military actions are :
1/ British starts loosing control of India region because of all money had been spend to bit small Crimean (Sevastopol) Russian troops and there were no any financial possibilities to invest any money to support colony of India.
2/ Turkey and Britain lost control under castle Kars, castle Bayazet, Cities Batum, Ardagan and many other key points in the Middle east. I would say castle Kars is the key to the gates of all Caucasus region.
3/ British fleet lost the battle under Novorosiysk, Russian Empire
4/ British fleet lost the battle under Kerch , Russian Empire
5/ British feel lost the battle on the far east and lost control of all Far east region, becoming to Russian on the results of War actions, Criamea including
I would say, Sevastopol (Crimean) War bind the enemy forces (Europe +Turkey) and gave to Russia to do whatever Russia intended to do around Middle east and on the Far east. Small Sevastopol troop fully stopped three States Army - French, British Empire, Turley and Sardinia. So Who lost , who win ? As to Me Russia won.
The Battle of The Alma was fought on 20th September 1854 and was a clear victory. The Charge of The Light Brigade, The Heavy Brigade, and ‘The Thin Red Line’ were all incidents from the battle of Balaclava fought over a month later on 25th October, a battle which was somewhat of a defeat and would have been unnecessary, probably, if the British/French had followed up properly after the Alma
@@user-sw2yr1rl8l Give a Russian one question and he'll answer another.
Actually by all accounts the action enhanced the reputation of the British cavalry amongst other armies. Yes it was a stupid, foolhardy action but according to reports all soldiers followed orders they most likely knew would be suicidal without any complaint or rebellion, and even though they were decimated they gave far better account of themselves than they had any right to.
@@user-sw2yr1rl8l so explain why Bessarabia was given to Moldova and your black sea fleet was disbanded in accordance with the neutralisation of the black sea due to the Paris treaty? That doesn't sound like something a winner of the war would do.
By this time cavalry was just beginning to lose it's old edge thanks to rifled muskets and better artillery. A few years later during the American Civil War infantry always chided passing cavalry with the question "Who ever saw a dead cavalryman?" with heavy veteran humor.
"I can't stand up"
"Chair! Chair for Maréchal Saint-Arnaud."
"Merci"
"Asseyez-vous je vous prie mon Maréchal".
Love this film, with all it's shortcomings...
"You'll take my life,
but I'll take yours too
You fire musket,
but I'll run you through"
And while you're waiting for the next attack
You'd better stand, there's no turning back!
@@JeffLMB The bugle sounds-the charge begins!
But on this battlefield, no one wins!
@@JeffLMB the smell of acrid smoke and horse's breath
My ancestor was in this battle. He was in the 15th Kings Hussars, as was my grandfather in India in 1890.
The first one survived by being trapped under the body of his horse.
600 men charged the Russian Army. So, today this area is in Ukraine, while the Russians claim the Crimea is Russian.
Whats frustraring about Alma is that the Light Brigade could have been sent off on persuit of the entire Russian Army that was pushed of the heights. Could have ended it right there and then but Raglan was too cautious.
You're right, thank you.
I love the Highlanders uniform
True and Scarlett like Cardigan of the light brigade had bought his way up the ranks & had no combat experience whatever. BUT he kept experienced Indian army officers on his staff. Lord Raglan commanding the army had not seen active service since Waterloo in 1815 when he was a junior officer on Wellingtons staff.
The Reason Why is by C Woodham-Smith (sorry not Fitzgibbon) is 50 years old & still the classic definitive account of the Charge. You can get it on Amazon for a few pence + postage.
I love all the uniform variations in the British
When in doubt... send in the Guards
Wait a minute...
The Battle of Alma and the Battle of Balaklava are two different battles.
The clip is from a film called "Charge of the Light Brigade", and Balaklava is featured towards the end, as the climax. Alma is part of the build-up.
Damn that Tavington! Damn that man!
Raglan was such a dope
Yes, the red plume. The Coldstreams were present and fighting through the entire Crimean Campaign.
It's .... "The Battle of THE Alma"!
and also YES oldskald, it's true :
"Lions led by donkeys"
this battle is a perfect example, and the WW1 about 60 years after will proove it much more...
I was in Balaklava at last summer.And fund two buttons on Balaklavas vineyards.One from him - deaths head 17-th lancers,second-french eagl with devise "Waterloo" NBHDragoons.
Man, these wars were sick, yet brave men fought them. How can you possibly walk like that into enemy fire?
It was more about morale, phsycology and maximising firepower
Ah yes, when sick was meant in a literal way to mean something horrible, rather than cool like it means now 😂
@@rhysnichols8608 Echo of the past. And it almost feels like I typed it just yesterday.
@@Lachausis
Yes it’s gone fast, do you remember typing it??
@@rhysnichols8608 Vaguely. I was on this first Charge of the Light Brigade historical/media trip, youtube was still relatively fresh, not a toxic political waste dump like it is today. I think I had recently seen the movie itself. Iron Maiden dedicated a song called 'Trooper' in memory of that cavalry charge (not shown in this clip). Good song. Metal.
great footage!
Thanks loads for the info. I was not aware of the purchase system. Dang... now that's another thing to add to my research list ;)
One of my favourite films
I am proud to have been a Cherrypicker, one of Cardigans "Bloodhounds"
hey thanks guys for helping us out during ww1
Thinking of a war is different from fighting one, me lad!
Love this scene! NO CGI!
Quite right the French had been fighting in North Africa for 20+ years and the British Generals had no combat experience since 1815. If you have not read it "The Reason Why" by C Fitzgibbon is a first rate book on the war.
I think there maybe a few ex-combatants that may disagree with you paddy , or look under Las Malvinas ,as for Garrison being to weak to resist , they were getting supplies by air right up to the last week of the Campaign .
Well said.
Oh lord, if only Harry Flashman could have been in this movie!
@brendan51287 Quite right. I remember sort of holding my breath in despair waiting for news that a British fleet had been destroyed but dammit, they pulled it off all alone, with the panache that would have done Sturdee proud at the first Battle of the Falklands. No, I'm not a war monger just an observer always stunned at how history unfolds. Did you ever read the Sunset at Kidney Ridge segment in War and Remembrance? The Empire may not have been good but it wasn't all bad either. Best.
Got to give it to the Brits polite and good manners to be expected at all times
I can't wait to call my co-workers "stew sticks", "poltroons", and "bumrolls" and telling them to "fetch off".
Of all of the minor European wars that followed the Napoleonic Wars and the Congress of Europe, the Crimean War was the largest, both in time, scale, numbers of nations involved, etc.
6:41 Something Tells me Lord Lucan & Lord Cardigan didn't get along.
Well to be a little more precise, the captured colour on display is infact that of the 2nd Virginia Regiment, captured at Charleston.
AMEN to that!
I think the final words belong to the very men who fought the allies. They nicknamed the infantry the 'Red devils', the Guards brigade the 'Hairy devils' and the Highland brigade the 'Devils in skirts' because they all fought with such ferocity and determination. I know of no nickname the French received!!
These men had balls of steel!!
Very glad :-)
@TheStandofTheLastGuy "the british army under Marlborough" Now I have an issue with this statement... Although I agree that Marlborough himself was arguably one of if the not the best British General his army was far from a British one... Start with the obvious battle, Blenheim 16'000 British of 56'000 Allied, Oudenarde only 16 British infantry battlions out of 112, Ramillies 15 battalions out of 74 and Malplaquet 17 battalions out of 129 (infantry Battalions mentioned only)
The Crimean War was my favourite history war which was your's
The British bore the brunt of the attack and received the most casualties, all well documented. Lord Raglan thought the French exagerated their casualty number and rekoned on 560, the french cannot back up their claim. We even have records of ammunition spent, the British used more than twice the ammunition than their allies. The French had an easier time of it on the Russian left flank, it was less well defended and they also had naval support from a strong allied fleet.
На это можно смотреть бесконечно, как мужественные солдаты, держа строй, чеканя шаг идут ровным строем под пули и ядра!...
I am inclined to agree with you 100%.
Largely learned does not mean totally and the Europeans did at least learn a few things and these carried over, especially with the Prussians.
The famous one is indeed from the Battle of Balaclava. That's the one Tenyson wrote a poem about.
GOD, LOVE THE BRITS, INTO BATTLE WITH TOP HATS, SHAKOS, PIPES ,FIFES AND DRUMS!!!!!!!
so what? all armies were like that back then
Not shakos at this period
We only supplied all the allied armies during the war. Came over with fresh troops and boosted morale to help in the win of the war. Unlike now we have to do everything.
I'd love you to reference a respected historian's book that compares British military doctrine of 1863 with that of US Military doctrine of the same period.
love trevor howard funny lord cardigan john gielgud amazing
MAGNIFIQUE ! Mais le peu qui restait a été dégagé et sauvé par une charge de cavalerie française d'un régiment de chasseurs !
monsieur, les Britanniques botté le cul partout dans le monde. Haha.
Les zouaves
Your French grammar makes absolutely no sense. It actually hurts you. If you mean, kicked ass, this isn't how you say it. I'm fluent, it's my mother tongue and you speak like a barnyard pompous palfrenier.
@alexp9999, was it cheese that was the missing element?
Interestingly, a few months back, there were a few Americans facinated by its origins and how it came about here. They usually stop by on their way to visit some of the relics that lie about the place, such as castles and a wooden hut where Thomas Paine took a dump.
French General: The French Will Go In At The Left Flank and the english will go in through the front door? "knock knock"
Lord Raglan: He's not well y'know?
XD
Well, that may be, but we are talking about British intervention in the U.S. Civil war and had the British army came into that thing as an independent force, they'd have been in for a rude shock, not to say they wouldn't have eventually adapted and aquitted themselves well, but it wouldn't have changed much.
There was also a regient of Bersaglieri from the kingdom of Sardinia.
The Crimean War was a military conflict fought between October 1853 - March 1856 in which Russia lost to an alliance of France, the United Kingdom, the Ottoman Empire, and Sardinia. The immediate cause involved the rights of Christian minorities in the Holy Land, which was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. The French promoted the rights of Catholics, while Russia promoted those of the Eastern Orthodox Christians. The longer-term causes involved the decline of the Ottoman Empire and the unwillingness of the United Kingdom and France to allow Russia to gain territory and power at Ottoman expense. Obviously a very important war!
add to it the desire to keep the Russian Black Sea Fleet from having free passage into the Mediterranean
66thEarl of Warwick - English stuffed shirts, half of the Leaders or Generals had NO IDEA how to run platoons/brigades. The low life did all the warring and the Generals got the Medals and got big Houses or palace such as Blemin. and it would be no different today, God forbid.
@Delogros aye, also with Danes, hanoverarians
actually the truth about florence nightengale is a bit different then commonly known..the true angel of the battlefield was a jamaican woman named mary seacole..not to disparage nightengale but mary belongs alongside her at the light brigade memorial...
Russian smoothbore muskets were no match for the British Pattern 1851 Minié rifled muskets - later the P53 which along with the Springfield M 61 saw much use in the A.C.W. There both sides were armed with rifled muskets hence the awful carnage at Gettysburg, Chickamauga, Spotsylvania and a host of other bloody encounters. The Crimean War, however, was shameful for lack of concern regarding soldiers (wounded men in particular), sanitation and provisions. Despite Britain having the world’s largest navy, battle casualties paled compared with the death and suffering by caused by gross military logistical muddle and incompetence.
Having said all that it one may observe, in mitigation, that the French and British were better dressed than the Russians and marched into battle with better music.
Because this is meant to be a film shown from the perspective of the Light Brigade.
The Russians were routed in this first battle in Crimea. They fled back to Sebastopol but the allies would not persue them after the battle. They fortified the town and the war dragged on for two more years.
above all else in fact
ColdStream Guards at 1:17?
😄 "Russians!"
😊 "Hmm, Waussians!"
Yas, Indeed,Wuassians
yep there were four battles fought that day but the light brigade grabbed teh glory tks to tennyson..agree this is where the 93 highland rgt formed double lines and held off one of the russian attack to take balaclava being dubbed the "thin red line" by russel of the london times i believe
How exactly would I 'mean' that when all I've pointed out is an inaccuracy in the film, 'The Patriot'?
Yup - when bayonets and sheer bollox ruled the world Britain couldn't lose.
@brendan51287 To be fair they sold them before it kicked off and then they gave us as much information about exocet as they could.
The most they could have done was lift the southern blockade and possibly re-open the Mississippi very hard to do after Vicksburg. What would a blockade of the self-sufficient north have done?
The last time the british wore red was against the zulu`s in south africa i think,which then subsequently changed to a kahki coloured uniform to fight the boers in the same country.
It was held back. They show it in the film.
Well possibly.
Napoleon 111 wanted the military glory and to cement his position as Emporer, had direct control of his army of the East and flooded the Crimea with troops. The British army was largely forgotten and suffered as a consequence. They had first choice of a deep water harbour which was close to their own siege lines the British had to make do with Balaklava, 10 miles from the siege lines.
Partly true, the press whipped up war fever against the judgment of the government. The war ended on the same negotiated terms that were being considered before the shooting started. The British Prime Minister never forgave himself for allowing it to happen.
The only positive thing for Britain was that it demonstrated the total incompetence of the armies organisation and command and brought about major reforms.
Hello, can i use this scene to a video about French Foreign Legion during Crimea?
You seem to have forgotten the part when the British forces under Allenby crushed the Ottoman empire in Palestine and liberated Jeruselem
When was this?
@@spen6334 1917-1918
At 0:37
"..wussians!!"
"..hmmm wussians!"
Lol
Marshal St. Oh No, General Can'tRobert, Lord Shot Ragged, and Lord Look On
I know its not supposed to be humorous, but these officers are very funny. Boohaloo.
Y murieron con las botas puestas.
from both sides
It is framed and is 50% disintegrated. To make sure that flags that old don't disintegrate it might be prudent to look up Banastre Tarletons captured colours that were recently sold at auction back to an unknown US buyer. Quite frankly, I'm glad I'm English and not American to be honest.
Good Lord! I wasn't talking about the 1982 shoot out!
We were talking about the 1833 occupation when only 2 small warships were sent to evict the Argentine's and assert British sovereignty.
Chigaloo2 said it was a full scale "war" and I disagreed.
Franco Prussian war was fought after the lessons of the Civil war had been learned. On the contrary, the British had major problems coordinating large formations (brigades) all through the Crimean war, whereas the Americans quickly learned how to fight with corps in the French style. Just look at what happened at the Alma and Inkerman, yes the British won, but they had some major problems.
i know that just i quoted lord Ragland
I don't quite understand where you got that from? Eh?