Charge Of The Light Brigade - Battle of Balaclava 2/2
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- Опубліковано 23 січ 2008
- The Battle of Balaclava, as seen in the movie The Charge Of The Light Brigade (1968). Part 2 of 2
Movie information, cast and plot summary:
us.imdb.com/title/tt0062790/
More information about the Crimean War and the Battle of Balaclava:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_o... - Фільми й анімація
A quote from Waterloo I believe sums it up:
"They are the finest cavalry in the world and the worst led."
To be precise, sir, those words were about Scott's greys (A heavy cavalry unit); whereas this charge is by the light brigade (light cavalry unit).
But you can criticize British cavalry as a whole; still that would be unjust.
Can’t say “best” about obvious fools
@@OSY_PB_ATHEIST you're so pedantic you felt the need to reply to a 12 year old comment?
That's commitment!
@James Estelle An often overlooked fact is that we won the war. Presumably those in charge did something right.
@@importantjohn nah mate but our frog allies did
Many years later I'm glad to see we still have the fine tradition of passing the blame among officers.
It's permanent. It's as permanent as human existence. The idea that you thought it would simply disappear "many years later" is absolutely adorable!
Its an English tradition.
Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations!
Or splitting our forces in a hostile country ,without knowing the enemies disposition,as at Islandwana in the zulu war of 1879.
“Go again sir?” Their eagerness is heartbreaking
Good soldiers, but stupids generals
I've lost an arm and a leg and my horse is dead. "Go again, sir?"
Ya I'd love if he said let's go then. See how eager the cocksucking clowns are then. Lol
Sounds like me after a game of Warzone
I love how he tries to blame the note-taker at the end.
Well there were evidence that Captain Noland the one who bring the orders by Lord Raglan to Lord Cardigan to execute the order to rescue the guns that were taken by the Russians was one of the main reasons the Light Brigade have lost so many men and failed their objective because Noland was a fanatic about the glory of the cavalry and wanted to see action and so he told Lord Cardigan and Lord Lucan to advance the guns but misinterpret to them so they have to follow the orders that was given but, based on where Raglan stands, the terrain was different from Noland and the Light Brigade's positions so the message was inefficient. If you see before the Light Brigade charge, you can see and hear the attitude of Captain Noland wanting to attack and instead didn't realize he was pointing at the wrong position to attack and when he realize this, he told the brigade to turn around because they were going the wrong way, but he was killed by the artillery before saying anything else and in my opinion good riddance of him.
@@QuincyVollstandig You say that, but who is to say that he wasn't an easy scapegoat for the other lords to escape blame? He was dead after all, and couldn't defend himself.
"Has anybody seen my regiment!", "Go again sir?!", "You have lost the Light Brigade!".."Indeed I have not, Sir!"..."Where are they then?!", are the best lines from this seen.
"When can their glory fade." Tennyson
For the survivors of the Light Brigade it faded the moment the war ended an obscure poem says it all
"There were thirty million English who talked of England's might, There were twenty broken troopers who lacked a bed for the night. They had neither food nor money, they had neither service nor trade; They were only shiftless soldiers, the last of the Light Brigade." Kipling
Their nation praised them as heroes, then let them die broken and forgotten
It remained very well known for a hundred years and more. And the veterans were looked after until their deaths.
As most militarty.
As all militaries - just cannon fodder. Never join wars.
"obscure poem" bro come on. You're quoting a poem written almost 200 years ago on a clip of a movie based this event made 50 years ago. This event and Poem is hardly "obscure"
@@daledupont3772
Dale do you mean that most governments look after there soldiers after a battle? Even now we have homeless soldiers who have to get by on a pittance who beg in the streets and needing medical assistance which is not forthcoming
Open you eyes
**Light brigade charges directly into artillery and gets demolished**
Officers: He did it!
They must have used an actual troop of cavalry for this film, and the effects of the explosions in the valley in the distance give me the chills every time.
I believe it was the Turkish Presidential Guard
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And the cannons recoiling, unbelievable!
Not as brutal.on the horses
As the 1936 version!
My G/G/ Grandfather took part in this charge with the 8th Hussars. He survived, his horse was shot from under him, but he returned to lines with his saddle and accutrements.
Only two "greats"? How old are you?
Let's say Dave Doyle is around 60, so it would be 1958 he was born, his dad 30 by the time he was born, so 1928 his dad 28 - 1900 and his G/G/ grandfather should be at his 20ish during that war so his G/G/Grandfather would be 64 when his son was born. Certainly possible, but highly unlikely.
Rock Bottom
It's possible!
I am 63 and was born in 1954. My grandfather was born in 1894 thou deceased. So it is possible for my great great grandfather to be born way before 1834.
I am 54 (almost) and my g g grandfather was born in 1845, 9 years before the Charge. Ages of the fathers when sons were born going backwards from my Dad were 27, 28, 29 and 35 from gg gf to g gf. So if they were all say 35 instead or I was 70 odd it would be very possible for ME to have a gg gf from the Crimea.
How in God's name did they simulate the charge for the purposes of the film and maintain the welfare of the animals?
"My lord, you have ridden over his dead body."
">:l... Where is my regiment!" Lol!
Lord Cardigan: " Men, reform your ranks! We're making another charge!"
Troopers: " Yes, your Lordship. We are ready to go again!"
heartbreaking
"Go again Sir?" The bulldog spirit.
Yep, send in more so that they can get killed. It'll be worth it.
Like the British public speaking to Boris when the next lockdown is ordered
Ya he should have said "off with you, go again then".
I bet the cocksuckers attitude would change then.
What happened was Raglin could see that there was a second battery on a nearby hill but the Lucan and Cardigan being in the valley could only see the one. Raglin's orders were to capture the battery on the hill but were so vague and badly wordered the officers didn't know what he was talking about and Capt. Nolan either in a fit of rage or frustration simply waved his arm pointing at the valley instead of the hill and likely relized his mistake and tried to stop the charge but was killed
Oh yeah, Nolan yelled 'Veer right'
@@drmed1134 isnt it re rank he yelled?
@@aliii2020-q8w "green needle" :D now i am not sure what he yelled
@@drmed1134 lol
Into the valley of death rode the 720 actually. Mistakes are made in war, hundreds of thousands of them over the centuries. The plain fact is, the Light Brigade could not see what the staff on the hill could see and Nolan's impetuosity in his fanatical desire to see the Light Brigade in action led directly to the debacle. Nolan was a light cavalry fanatic and believed light cavalry could attack artillery from the front, as he wrote in his book on cavalry tactics. He had watched the spectacular charge of the Heavy Brigade in the morning and was seething with jealousy. Lord Cardigan's conduct was of the highest order, pompous and arrogant he might have been, but nobody could immune his courage and let's not forget, this is a very wealthy man, who could afford anything he wanted at home, yet he chose to run and pay for his own regiment and lead it into an almost suicidal charge across the other side of the world. Lucan is blamed for not using the heavies in support, but if he had and they suffered shocking losses, the detractors would be calling him a butcher too. You can't win with armchair socialist generals. Lucan saw what was happening and he said, they have destroyed the Light Brigade but I will not let them destroy the Heavies. I f you get the chance to read of the charge from the Russian side, you will get a different story of course. Yes they thought it reckless but most of their gun crews had been run through, their cavalry given more than they gave and the army had watched the fabled Cossaks ride over them in their panic to get out of the way. The Russians knew they were up against a truly formidable army, which appeared to have no fear and the ordinary Russian soldier had a terror of this fearless foe they would have to face again.
Lobe that "armchair socialist generals" only shows that you put no value on human life
@@joelbusald6416 and you have no concept of it's efficient expenditure; the key to the practice that is War.
I dont think you know what socialist means.
@@Ukraineaissance2014 It means controlling people's lives. It means politicising absolutely everything from your children's lives right up to yours in every aspect of your life. It's an ideology that knows what's best for you, but one based on envy and retribution.
@@copferthat no. try again. it's a tax funded system of governance.
There is a clear difference in bravery and common sense.
278 casualties out of 670
+ 335 horses
You'll take my life but I'll take yours too
You'll fire your musket but I'll run you through
So when your waiting for the next attack
You'dbetter stand there's no turning back
The bugle sounds the charge begins
But on this battle field no one wins
The smell of acrid smoke and horses breath as I plunge on into certain death
Although the entire action was over in 25 minutes with the last men returning up the valley, the LB reached the guns in 7 - 7.5 minutes. Following prescribed military practice the Light Brigade covered the 1.25 miles to the don cossack battery -
Walk - not to exceed 4mph
Trot - Not to exceed 8mph
Gallop - Not to exceed 11 mph(250 yards from guns)
Charge - Not to exceed the speed of the slowest horse. Total = 7 - 7.5 minutes( approx)
"You! Who me? NO Him! No YOU LOST THE Ligh Brigade" xD
Blame for the Light Brigade Debacle goes as follows
1. Lord Raglin (as commander in chief): For Failure to issue clear orders, specifically the location of the battery that the Light Brigade was to attack, for failing to send out scouts or some other kind of signal to try and stop the charge when he noticed they were heading into the wrong area
2. Lords Lucan and Cardigan (as the commander of the Calvary Division and Light Brigade): For failing to send a messenger back to Raglin asking for clarification of the order, and for failing to send out scouts or take to the high ground themselves to get a better view of the valley and for failing to provide artillery support or a pre-charge bombardment (though Cardigan probably bares the least amount of blame since he in the end was following orders and took part in the charge himself)
3. Capt. Louis Nolan (as the Messanger who delivered the Order): For Failing to ask for clarification prior to leaving, and for failing to pass on the location of the intended target
Remarkably enough, Lucan eventually became field marshal. In my opinion, the ONLY British soldier serving in the Crimea who actually DESERVED that rank was Field Marshal Sir Colin Campbell, 1st Baron Clyde, GCB, KCSI, then commander of the Highland Brigade.
Agreed. In fact, I think he should have been given command of the whole army. That man had a tactical mind unmatched by any. He was well liked by his men, and was a great infantry officer back in the Days of Napoleon, leading the Forlorn Hope at the Siege of San Sebastian.
To be honest Lucan should've been stripped of his command and put in chains for failing to support the Light Brigade. The Crimean War is one of those conflict where finding people you can hold up as examples of heroism and courage under fire is a rarity
You should not really blame Commander Lucan; he trusted Captain Nolan would deliver the orders he wished, by clarifying the valid nature of the order. However, you should not really blame anyone, since as you stated, it was a mixture of different factors. Similar to blaming Garvilo Princip for the First World War.
Lieutenant Ivan I think Princip is a little more to blame in regards to the First world war than Lucan was for the Charge. Lucan simply was following the orders of his superior. The orders made sense to Raglan because of his vantage point. The orders made sense to Nolan because he too could see it. The orders didn't make sense to Lucan, but he still had to follow them. Whereas Princip was acting of his own accord in murdering an innocent man for relatively petty reasons.
I almost laughed when the commanders started playing the blame game.
Some damn good horsemen in this film...
Haha Lord cardigan was hilarious. Did you know he used to refuse to fight normal footmen in battle as it was not the sort of thing he thought an officer should do. As an officer he believed he should only fight other officers or horsemen.
The book is "Honour the light Brigade" by canon William Lummis. Based on 60 years of research He was himself an ex 11th Hussar and personally knew some of the survivors. "In search of the Light Brigade" by Lawrence W Crider, carries on where Lummis left off and lists over 2000 members of the light brigade. The best by far is "Forgotten Heroes- the charge of the Light Brigade" by Roy Dutton. Lists only men that were in or supposed to have taken part in the charge.
The charge was a complete success! It showed lord Raglan at his best and finest. The whole officers corps did great in leading troops. This is the fine example of needless reorganization of officer corps after the Crimean war, because we all know that there was nothing wrong with British leadership at Alma or Balaklava, and that leadership owned by blood and aristocracy is the best, way better than French notions of professional military schools based on so called merit. Indeed, a fine English victory won by the pure blooded English gentleman.
Marrowbones true, but Brits were even then more notorious in that because of aforementioned class system. I was referring more to post revolutionary France where the officers were picked by merit, by courage and later by passing the famed
Gouvion Saint-Cyr
military academy which was opened during Napoleon's rule. French soldier and especially French officer of the time was the backbone of Napoleon's succes.
British army was for the most of WW1 even more class based then the French. After offensives in 1915. French reconsidered their strategy because their general offensive in 1915. failed. Brits were still wasting British lives long after the 1915. Canadians had the best soldiers and officer corps since they understood the nature of WW1 warfare. Brits only in later stages of war pulled their heads out of their arses and instead of abstract notions started to actually plan their attacks more meticulously. The necessity of war imposed it. German army even in 1917. mastered and solved the breakthrough of positional defense but they didn't have enough reserves nor mobility to exploit it. For that we must wait tank corps and tank armies of 2nd WW.
The British Expeditionary force of world war one was the finest in the field. As one historian put it was sabres against scythes. The British army had learned many lessons from the Boer war. Unfortunately their were to few of them to make a difference
john lewis
true, they were professionals but the warfare for which they were ready was maneuvering in the open countryside and small number of troops on the ground. On the other hand France and Germany although they had significant number of active duty soldiers and officers relied on huge mass mobilization army. If you remember Austrian and French doctrine in 1866. and 1870. they relied mostly on comparatively smaller armies of professionals where they said ''Ah, Prussians cannot defeat us because they use mass conscript armies - quantity cannot beat quality''. But in reality quantity properly equipped and properly lead can beat ''quality'' that is seriously undermanned.
Yes that was my point using well trained troops as cannon fodder is very wasteful in military terms. Its a bit like using the S A S trooper as a ordinary infantry man. With all their skills they are just has likely to get a bullet has the ordinary conscript standing next to them. At the beginning of the war the B E F had a lot of success. Then of course they were joined by conscripts and their effectiveness was undermined. Maybe diluted is a better way to put it
You'll take my life but I'll take yours too
You'll fire your musket but I'll run you through
So when you're waiting for the next attack
You'd better stand there's no turning back.
The Bugle sounds and the charge begins
But on this battlefield no one wins
The smell of acrid smoke and horses breath
As I plunge on into certain death.
The horse he sweats with fear we break to run
The mighty roar of the Russian guns
And as we race towards the human wall
The screams of pain as my comrades fall.
We hurdle bodies that lay on the ground
And the Russians fire another round
We get so near yet so far away
We won't live to fight another day.
We get so close near enough to fight
When a Russian gets me in his sights
He pulls the trigger and I feel the blow
A burst of rounds take my horse below.
And as I lay there gazing at the sky
My body's numb and my throat is dry
And as I lay forgotten and alone
Without a tear I draw my parting groan.
+Pitt the Elder I love that song!
Up The Irons!
ohhhnhh, ohhhhhhh
The acting in this movie is interesting, in a good way. Captures the gore and tone of this battle very well.
"C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre. C'est de la folie"-French Marshal Pierre Bosquet. "It's magnificent, but it is'nt war. It's madness"
Captain Morris was indeed real. He was one of the most experienced 'fighting' men in the British army, a veteran of the Sikh wars and countless cavalry charges. Sergeant wooden of the 17th and Surgeon Mouat of the 6th Dragoons were each awarded a Victoria Cross for coming to the aid of woundedMorris while lying in an exposed position under heavy fire. Because of a skull fracture amongst other wounds, he had to wear a slver plate over it and died of dysentery during the Indian mutiny.
"Did you hear him? " "Screeching like a woman fetching off" lol
had me dead
@@vinceowumi1976 😅
Does fetching off mean fingering ones self?
@@rhysnichols8608 LOL ! Close..I think its an old saying for having an orgasm
@@Scotty70
Haha lord Cardigan is a savage it seems
Props for the uploader adding practical links to the subject in the description, something seldom seen here.
I always thought the light brigade was like this pivotal charge the british made in some battle that ended up saving the day, but in reality it was a senseless waste and communication breakdown that could have been completely avoided...
"The charge of the Light Brigade," a 1968 flick by Tony Richardson.
The prime minister of the time, said that when the soldiers came back, they would come back to a land fit for heroes to live in, in reality the soldiers came back to a country that treated them as muck, indeed, most if not all of these soldiers ended up working until they passed away, when really they should've been given war and or disability pensions.
They say that every war .. It was bullshit then as it is now..
The British had their Charge of the Light Brigade ,and American Southerners had Picket's Charge at Gettysburg.they both accomplished the same thing ,gaining a place in a history book.
I'm wondering if they used tripwires on these horses as well?
On a more serious note: Leo Tolstoy, who wrote "War and Peace", fought at this battle as an artillery officer.
Alfred, Lord Tennyson's epic-packed yet brief poem of the same title had a major influence on me first back in high school in Texas, reinforced a few years later at University. A native Texan (although I have long since called Hollywood, California home), you might say, I have always had a penchant for Last Stand Battles and other military engagements. At the age of 12 back in Texas, having come off a seven year high obsession for the Alamo, I made a miniature scale of that celebrated San Antonio mission-fort out of toothpicks for an art class. Years later I would watch eyes agape in a Hollywood theater the film, The 300 resparking an old interest in the ancient Battle of Thermopylae.
I've been to thge Alamo 3 times, grat place to visit AND as much as I enjoy Ozzie's music I hope they never let him back in the State.
What you doing in Hollywood?
Their dialogue is like a comedy:
Me? Who? You? Where is Nolan? You've just stepped over his dead body, sir. I hope you won't blame me. I had orders from my superior officer. Who? You, sir! Me?
In that situation, you *always* blame Nolan.
The French commander was the only Allied commander with any experience in the colonial wars but died of illness early in the war. Raglin hadn't seen action since 1812 at Waterloo and was little more then a desk jockey and Lucian and Cardigan only got command of their regiment because of their social rank, and given how much they hated each other any compitent General would've kept them as far away from each other as possible
Back in the day when they used trip lines on movie horses. They crippled lots of horses back then.
Horses led by donkeys
then there are boomers sayin "we don't make movies like this anymore without cgi"
LOL the higher up folks were playing the Blame Game
The only two who might have been properly blamed died in Crimea - Lord Raglan and Cpt. Nolan. Considering the lack of "military science" and professional training for British commanders, Lord Raglan's ambiguous order is not surprising. The most blame seems to lie with Captain Nolan in his grave, and may they all rest in peace.
"Victory has a thousand fathers, defeat is always an orphan".
Ya gotta love Trevor Howard.
dismounted lancers still carried their lance :)
Uniq7: If your horse is killed and you have to dismount you might as well keep hold of your weapon.
"It is magnificent, but it is not war."
-French cavalry commander watching the charge
Thanks, I always wanted to see the original translation.
Pierre Bosquet: "C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre." ("It is magnificent, but it is not war.")
@Graf von Losinj We all end up on the same videos eventually…
Another selfish idiot who wants all of the language in anglosajón..All languages are correct to explain the situation 😮
"You lost the Light Brigade!"
"No, HE lost the Light Brigade!"
"No, YOU lost the Light Brigade!"
...Next on Jerry Springer...
Many thanks I will look it and the others up.
Napoleon of British troops " they are the best in the world thank god there are not many of them"
Johann all war movies are "anti war" as they show some sort of horror. In this case, the brigade was decimated and the movie is more about the arrogance of aristocracy and the hubris of leaders.
theres a pub in Bolton called the Lord raglan and another called The Alma
They are in Portsmouth too.
Soldiers took greart pride in their regiments - each had it's own history - and they would naturally 'compete' when certain things were expected. One regiment would point out that, tactically, it could undertake a mission and suggest it to senior officers, good generals wanted input from their junior commanders.E.g, The Blach Watch and the Ghurkas were brigaded together as elite fighters and were extremely creative and formidable, you didn't waste good soldiers, you wanted to Waste the enemy's.
it was instituted on 29 January 1856. The medal was meant to be a simple decoration that would be highly prized and eagerly sought after by those in the military services.The original warrant stated that the Victoria Cross would only be awarded to soldiers who have served in the presence of the enemy and had performed some signal act of valour or devotion. many of the medals went to members of the light brigade but it was not instituted for one specific battle but for the entire cimerian war
On the whole, pretty insane!
Love how there is never any mention of the only successful part of the charge of the light brigade
The French light cavalry, the Chasseurs d'Afrique, was more effective by clearing the Fedyukhin Heights of the two half-batteries of guns, two infantry battalions, and Cossacks to ensure that the Light Brigade would not be hit by fire from that flank, and it provided cover for the remaining elements of the Light Brigade as they withdrew.
Well, it was done by the French, you see.
The Chasseurs D'Afrique never covered the retreat of the Light Brigade, They had already returned to their start position by the time the LB were retiring. The attack of the 4th Chasseurs D'Afriqiue was a seperate action. At no time was the Light Brigade and the Chasseurs in contact, in fact the starting postitions of the two were half a mile apart. The French commander used his own initiative and ordered the attack. They did a fantastic job of silencing the Russian battery but the Russians regrouped and tried to retake the guns. The Chasseurs then retreated to their original positions. They never covered the retreat of the Light Brigade, the Chasseurs had to save themselves. To quote Commander Durand de Villers;- "The movement succeeded: riflemen and gunners who wanted to shoot the English Cavalry as it retired gave up their project. But the masses of infantry, pushed back at first by the impetuosity of our Africans, rallied and, reinforced by the Wladimir regiment, prepared to take the offensive with their artillery. General General d'Allonville seized the moment and caused the retreat to be sounded. Twelve Chasseurs and two officers- one of them Captain Dancla- were killed.
The myth of the Chasseurs covering the retreat of the LB originates from the memoirs of the Russian General de Todleben who wasn't even there to see the action for himself
The French also met their objectives at the Battle of the Somme (but I believe had to retreat because their flank was exposed by the failure of the British).
"ours is not to reason why, ours but to do and die"
Thanks for the comment , Im ex Welsh Guards mate you still in ? I like the Disney bit will use that in future nice one .
Русская артиллерия всегда была лучшей артиллерией в мире!!!
Se mezclan en este episodio bélico dos ideas bien distintas: lo absurdo de una guerra y la gloria de un puñado de hombres, en este caso la caballeria británica enfrentandose a unos cañones con un desastroso resultado. Pero, este episodio de la Guerra de Crimea ¿es tal y como se nos ha contado?.
@MarcusBritish I know full well that this back and forth between you and me will end in no fruits. You have your ideas and I have mine. That said, it is very unfortunate for you to assume that I lack knowledge. Anyway, thank you for this little exchange of difference. I appreciate you maintaining a humbling tone in your responses that definitely do not a pompous person behind words painted on a screen.
6:50 my lord you have just ridden over his dead body.
Lord Cardigan: (no fucks given) ..
“Has anyone seen my regiment”
Heh, the Charge made by the Light Brigade was more valiant.
"Ere we go lads ..ere we go!!!
In both world wars British and Canadian NCOs' taught their US counterparts as regards CQB (close quarter battle ) I taught US officers as regard combat patrols and FIBUA (Fighting in built up areas) . Friends of mine out in Iraq in 2003 / 04 were instructing US commanders on how to deploy and engage the enemy in built up areas . We had the experience from Northern Ireland and were asked by senior US military command to provide training . And yes I think Family Guy is spot on .
Funny that this is still seen as such a hallmark of tactical incompetence, even after the mega multiple clusterfucks of WW1. They make the whole of Crimea look like well executed perfection.
Really, it's tenyson's poem that makes this battle stand out more than what actually happened.
incompetent.......so incompetent
"Damn him, damn all his kind."
"Damn who, sir?"
"Nolan! That Indian. Insolent, miserable-arsed mutineer."
"My Lord, you have just ridden over his dead body"
"....... has anyone seen my regiment?"
hahaha
This isn't exactly how it was. The charge itself was fairly successful. After all, light cavalry could cover the killing ground quickly and dispatching cannon was their speciality. Their problem was that they could not hold the guns as they are not defensive troops, they needed infantry support which was not given as they attacked the wrong guns.
Well said, I tip my hat to you. +Rep.
Flashman was there.
Not many would get that reference. Congratulations sir!
Well, ya gotta give credit to the Russkie artillery. Damn.
@ConstantineJoseph
it captures the spirit of cavalry forces at that time. Completely obsolescent but still unwilling to let go of their seniority. It went all the way up to WW2.
Let us not forget that WWI and The Crimea were British and allied victories, and both disasters were examined at length and in detail.
Not me, him. Not me, him. Not I, you. I will not be blamed.
What ever happened to "the buck stops here"?
This clip doesn't show that the charge was actually a success, got to the guns killed the gunners then retreated which was a pivotal moment in the battle which led to victory, it's not a complete massacre that people believe it to be, it was a military success at a high cost, not a disaster
It was a mess though, but yet they took the guns. The Russians actually thought they were drunk or high because they were so brave charging head on like that.
@@Hereticalable It's been said by those who took part in them that you can't be a coward in a cavalry charge (as a cavalryman).
Actually the "foolish captain" was not even meant to take the order.
When an order is given to an aid to take to the commander of that particular unit. The aid is told all of the details of the order so he can answer any questions that the officer may have.
Nolan (the captain in question) was not next in line to deliver the order, but Rglan chose him to deliver it, so Nolan was only half listening to the briefing
"you did this"
"No it's not me it's him"
"What no it's you"
"No"
Raglin: You have lost the Light Brigade...how could you.
Me: Excuse me you just sent 600 Light Calvary against two fortified positions with entrenched artillery, 20,000 calvary supporting said artillery and snipers all along the valley....what did you think was going to happen the Russians (who had all the advantages) were going to sit down and have tea, jesus you know Nevell wasn't this brainless, and his troops mutinied after his debacale
snakes3425 We'll then, if the light brigade breached the Russian artillery line, then don't sit there bitching,but send in reserve cavalry or infantry to follow-up the attack to it's conclusion!
Lord Lucan, the commander of the Heavy Brigade refused to go to the Light Brigade's assistance
Радостная картина: захватчики наелись крымской землицы и русской стали
Фильм показал лицемерие британского правительства. С каких это пор англичане заботились о турках?
Good movie, with some interesting facts.
The officer who gave the order for that charge was the 3rd Earl of Lucan, the great great grandfather of Lord Lucan, the 6th Earl, who murdered his children's nanny and seriously injured his wife in 1974. Remember ? He was never found.
Hah! They had tea parties, luncheons and fine ladies at the 1st Battle of Bull Run. Until the Rebs won the day and the whole lot of 'em got caught up in the retreat to the forts of DC.
Battle should never be entertainment. Cheers!
The British used to take their wives to the war zone. "I've never really liked Daphne, shall we take her to the Crimea ?"
cool!
Very true but most do not give the full quotation, he concluded "C'est de la folie" - "it is madness." Still, great credit to him he sent his own cavalry to cover the Light Brigades retreat.
It's magnificent, but it's not war
It is murder
c'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre
@SIGURDOYVIND I never find history hard to acknowledge or accept - once done it's done. We can feel proud or ashamed of what out forefathers did, right or wrong, but we don't have to carry the burden of guilty, responsibility or dishonour as long as we admit to it openly, than try to bury or deny it - eg holocaust denial. The best historians are unbiased and keep an open mind about everything. Something Americans find really hard to do, as well as most people in general, is to be unpatriotic.
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
His great great grandfather the 3rd Earl of Lucan. The geezer who fled the murder rap in 1974 was the 6th Earl of Lucan.
The vid forgets to show that what stayed of the light brigade was saved from total annhilation by the charge of the french zouaves.(chasseurs d'Afrique) on the russian heavy cavalry pursuing it. Rather strange...
+felix25ize French and other contributions are usually forgotten in these stories. But the main point in this story is about the folly of senile militay leadeaship, not about historycal accuarate retale of the event. The light brigade was lost because of british leadership, not so much saved by its allies.
Nomar Quinn lol
The attack of the 4th Chasseurs D'Afriqiue was a seperate action. At no time was the Light Brigade and the Chasseurs in contact, in fact the starting postitions of the two were half a mile apart. The French commander used his own initiative and ordered the attack. They did a fantastic job of silencing the Russian battery but the Russians regrouped and tried to retake the guns. The Chasseurs then retreated to their original positions.
They never covered the retreat of the Light Brigade, the Chasseurs had to save themselves. To quote Commander Durand de Villers ( of the 4th Chasseurs D'Afriqiue) ;- "The movement succeeded: riflemen and gunners who wanted to shoot the English Cavalry as it retired gave up their project. But the masses of infantry, pushed back at first by the impetuosity of our Africans, rallied and, reinforced by the Wladimir regiment, prepared to take the offensive with their artillery. General General d'Allonville seizedthe moment and caused the retreat to be sounded. Twelve Chasseurs and two officers- one of them Captain Dancla- were killed.
The myth of the Chasseurs covering the retreat of the LB originates from the memoirs of the Russian General de Todleben who wasn't even there to see the action for himself. This myth has been repeated by most historians since- nothing unusual there!
Where not the heavy brigade involved in the equation somewhere along the line. Hence the phrase send in the heavy brigade
Nomar Quinn you first, that’s exactly what happened, the light Brigade was able to destroy the gunnery position and escape through a hole opened by the French cavalry, no cavalry, no hole, both units, French and British, both fought bravely under extreme odds.
A bit of a disaster but remember the brigade achieved its objective and at least 1/3rd of the brigade returned to their start line with their mounts but the lose of horses crippled the brigade as a military force.
Previously that day the Heavy Brigade charged uphill and attacked and routed a force of Russian cavalry estimated to be ten times their number.
a VERY powerful scene,
There was no conquest to consolidate, and Rommel was open about the seriousness of the situation. He was stopped here, and again at Alam Halfa before Alamein.
Italian tardiness was a factor, as was Brit codebashing. Nowhere near as decisive as 2cnd Alamein, but still important.
Good job Russian gunners.
I thought I was watching Monty Python there for a minute. It seems the British Officer Class penned the phrase " Cannon Fodder".
In a cavalry charge, most losses are borne more by the horses and less by the riders; if you look at almost any charge from the Seven Years War up to the American Civil War, horse losses almost always outnumbered riders, if only 'cos it was a bigger target and harder to heal a wounded horse (which often had to be put down). Where DID they get all the cavalry for this movie?
Man,s inhumanity to the animals, as I said before the english cared not for the poor horses/animals
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the ultimate disgrace was how Cardigan treated his men, instead of staying with them he spent the rest of the battle and that night living in luxery on his private yacht while his men endured the nightmare of a Crimean War era hospital
Im supprised by the historical accuracy and sarcastic atmosphere this movie is portaying. That was EXACTLY how the battle of Balaclava and the commanding British officers were like. This is 180 degree different from the 1936 version of "Charge of the Light Brigade", heh.
at 0:43 I couldn't help but think of the song "Cool guys don't look at explosions"
Lord Lucan-- Not the one hiding out somewhere in the veldt of South Africa, fleeing a murder rap in England for the last 40 years.
Yes one and the same, he is hundreds of years old lol!
Thank god for people like Mary Seacole !!!!