I love the few times where it opens surprisingly easily, and he admits it's a fluke "This usually takes a few tries..." (pops open) "but sometimes it's the first try"
I was wondering if it would be the comb, which is an even lesser skilled attack. That would (or should) be embarrassing for a lock manufacturer, if it works.
I purchased a genesis set just before they came with a case, and the picks are too soft ,,,, they bend very easily. Be careful LPL/COVERT products ......
You got LPL's words out of context. He wasn't saying that this is a lock he would use and haven't talked about the possible appliances of it depends on its determined security level (around 10 seconds to pick). What he did is straight forward to compare between the two, and said it clearly: This one is a lock to modify, this one *can* be used out of the box. No need to thank me.
Masterlock is good enough for some tasks. When my dog figured out how to open the gate and take herself for a walk, Masterlock stopped that. It helps that my dog lacks opposable thumbs.
I use a masterlock when I need something with more stability than a zip tie, and possibly easier to open. For example, holding down the lid of my plastic trash can. Until racoons can use a wave rake, it's probably fine :D
Honestly, as much as I love this channel, I kinda wish he had more "locks that I would use" videos. It's great to warn people away from locks with faulty designs, but I don't know what the better alternatives are.
If anything, this channel has taught me that you should never, under any circumstances, rely on a padlock to keep anything safe. Not even the diary of a six-year-old.
Locks are usually much harder to use if you don't take them out of the box. Though, I guess it depends on what you are using them for. Master Locks will still work perfectly fine to stop papers from blowing off your desk even if you leave the packaging on.
It's so good to see you 'back at the beginning' where you use regular picks and practices. The specialized tools you have are very interesting, but watching you actually blast through a lock with your old-school techniques is just awesome. The only thing missing from this video is a dual gutting. Either way, thank you for putting up these videos.
We need a video of LPL giving lock suggestions he would give to serve different security purposes, such as locking your bike, up to closijg a storage locker
Maybe you could have tried raking the second one first to demonstrate that it does not work? (whether the lock is resistant to raking or the shape of the keyway makes the rake not fit)
What makes a lock rakable is the relative depth of the key pins. When their depths are close to each other, it's easy to push all of them up at the same time with the wave rake.
Seeing the title reminded me of the children's book "Same, Same but Different" I used to read to my kids and gave me a good laugh. Thanks for the lock review LPL.
If "Fluke" was a brand of locks, they'd probably be the best in the world, as LPL would always be comparing to them. Other locks just don't stand up to them :D
But why did John Fluke invoke his special homosexual rights to sell his company to the Chinese ? But we can have some comfort knowing he wasn't a Trump supporter !
Get LPL on the "barnacle" window boot from NY. A Giant briefcase suction cup parking infraction deterrent. It's activated with a key so it must be picked.
Wish I could do it so fast! You inspired me to start lockpicking! Just today I've applied for my Blue belt. Hope I can buy the Covert Instruments tools in the future here in the Netherlands so I can try them out! I only hear good things about them.
There's a garage door at my parents' house that hadn't been used for years, and the key cannot be found. We wanted the door open to make it easy to clean up the clutter inside. Your videos inspired me to get some improvised tools to unlock it. I used a bent keyring for tension and a jeweler's flathead as a pick, and it opened up. Happy picking
This would be quite the expensive project but I would love to see you spend a day testing gallium, specially on safes, it would be cool to smelt through a safe with gallium
Great information, beautiful presentation, I can say I thoroughly enjoyed this video. But let's go ahead and watch it again just to make sure it was not a fluke.
I think as you pick it you find that the tension bar is in the wrong location so you change to a different one until it is comfortable to pick. Since LPL has already test picked these locks he skips the trial and error portion. Also the same cores from a brand will pick the same way, so you can use that as a short cut.
Raking is usually done BOK to leave maximum room for the rake to maneuver around the pins. TOK bar would block the rake from hitting first couple pins and restrict angle of attack on the other pins. Otherwise: most locks are easier to pick TOK to allow maximum range of motion for the pick, but there are exceptions, e.g. some pickers use BOK to provide a stable platform to lever the pick off of, some keyway warding doesn't allow accessing pins from the bottom, and so on.
Surprising (at least to me) to see something with the Schlage brand on the key that has no security pins. I would consider myself a novice to intermediate picker and every Schlage-branded cylinder I own has at least some spools.
It’s a shame the KS72 isn’t more secure from factory because the convenience of that cylinder is compelling for homeowners who want it keyed alike to their garage, etc. As you said, modifying it with a spool and some security pins would make is substantially more pick resistant, I just can’t believe they don’t do that from the factory with these higher-end pad locks
I have been watching your videos for a long while now, and decided to take the plunge and start lockpicking as a new hobby. Thanks for making these videos.
That pair is also a brilliant example of how you can't look at the key to determine quality of the lock. One on the left has the better quality keys, but the worse security.
Love your vids. I had a gun, weed and cash in a brinks home security safe (I have a teenager in the house). The key disappeared. I watched a couple of your vids for inspiration but am nowhere near adept a thief as you. But I got the thing open within about 7 minutes thanks to a bit of inspiration from you.
@@JelMain That would actually make it illegal. LPL did a review a while ago of a bike lock with a pressurized cylinder to act as a booby-trap if sawed; his picking side picked the lock. His lawyer side warned against using it as you might be criminally liable if someone got injured.
the moment i saw the shape of the keys i knew that the right one was the more secure. that trapezoid shape is a standardized symbol for fairly high security locks, at least here in europe, while the left one looked more like the standard american low security key shape
There should be a 'Department of Locking Mechanisms' headed by you and staffed by experienced lock pickers. All locking devices should be tested by your department through different tests, like how easy is it to destroy, how easy is it to pick, etc. And if it passes, then it can be legally sold.
Finally after years of watching you and bill i finally got my first set with is sparrow’s competitor set and a few extra picks and tension bars. Thought about practice lock and decided no I’ll just get cheapo masterlock 😂
3 months ago UA-cam stoped showing me your channel even though I have notifications on all. Today I got a notification. I don't know what UA-cam did to there algorithm but it stopped showing me thing I want to see on my feed if I skip over like one video.
This is the new Masterlock security plan : they bribed Google to stop proposing LPL videos displaying wave rakes or yellow hammers. Only trust your "subscriptions" tab. And go watch the April 1st masterpiece!
The bigger lock is a visual deterrent. They hope the potential person with ill intent will think they can’t get past the lock quickly… of course if they watch LPL, “…and we got this open.”
Seems like you can pick every lock ever made. So your knowledge of lock weaknesses might point your imagination toward innovative improvements. I would enjoy watching a video from you about how you would design a pick-proof lock. Or what ideas do you have about making a perfect lock? Maybe a series featuring new, unique, strange and effective lock mechanisms to get people thinking how to move society beyond Master and Schlage.
I occasionally watch Penn and Teller's Fool Us show. I think it would be so cool to see someone come up with a magic routine for LPL to use on a show like that.
Could a lock manufacturer design a lock so that if the first position is pushed in, it makes the lock unopenable? It would seem that it would be a deterrent to a lock picker.
It's always fun watching your videos and great when you give a heads up on differences between locks - even though to the untrained eyes looks identical! Just wondering about comparison series what your opinions on some of the newer bike locks that are billed as cut/saw resistant? I'm sure almost all bike locks can be picked at varying degrees of difficulty, but wondering how the new cut prevention tech actually holds up? I've had my Kryptonite Fughedaboutit for over a decade and still very confident with using it in sketchy areas, but thinking maybe it's time for a new lock. I had checked the shackle one day and noticed what appears to be a saw attempt on the lock, but I must have interrupted them without knowing. I was wondering your opinions on the Hiplock D1000, and the Litelok X3 or the X3? Unfortunately I know the prices for these locks are quite expensive, I guess the reason why it would be nice for an honest review before committing to order one or the other. Thanks again for all your fantastic videos!
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Im always glad when LPP does it once more so we know it's not a fluke
I love the few times where it opens surprisingly easily, and he admits it's a fluke
"This usually takes a few tries..." (pops open) "but sometimes it's the first try"
LockPickingParalegal
"El Peepee"
Yeah you know me
Many seem to be obsessed with “flukes” A lock doesn’t work by chance,rather by mechanical function. 😂
When LPL is pulling out the waverake you know it is going to be short and painfull for the manufacturer.
I was wondering if it would be the comb, which is an even lesser skilled attack.
That would (or should) be embarrassing for a lock manufacturer, if it works.
the wave rake
@@dj1NM3 the rake always makes me say "oh no" but the comb just makes me cry inside.
But he did go on to explain it was a great lock for customization. So off the shelf not good, but has potential.
I purchased a genesis set just before they came with a case, and the picks are too soft ,,,, they
bend very easily. Be careful LPL/COVERT products ......
"This is a lock you can probably use out of the box" is some of the highest praise LPL has ever given I think, just short of "I like it" ;-)
Then proceeds to open it in 10 seconds!
I thought high praise for him was along the lines of ' something I would use'
You got LPL's words out of context. He wasn't saying that this is a lock he would use and haven't talked about the possible appliances of it depends on its determined security level (around 10 seconds to pick).
What he did is straight forward to compare between the two, and said it clearly: This one is a lock to modify, this one *can* be used out of the box.
No need to thank me.
@@HopelessTom I took it as him saying that it's just okay. It's not impressive, but not terrible, either.
‘Use out of the box’ is not ‘a lock I would use’
we have a new category!
1) OK locks
2) locks you can throw away. e.g. Masterlock
3) * NEW * locks you buy to modify
Masterlock is good enough for some tasks.
When my dog figured out how to open the gate and take herself for a walk, Masterlock stopped that.
It helps that my dog lacks opposable thumbs.
I use a masterlock when I need something with more stability than a zip tie, and possibly easier to open.
For example, holding down the lid of my plastic trash can. Until racoons can use a wave rake, it's probably fine :D
@@Longplay_Games Racoons haven't figured out shims and wave rakes yet? I'm a little surprised.
@@CptJistuce Once they figure out how to order a genesis set i'll have to switch to using something more powerful - blisterpack.
@@Longplay_Games If your dog learns to stare at the lock long enough the MasterLock might give up.
It’s not easy for us novices to choose the right locks. But The Lockpicking Lawyer helps us out. Have a nice day!
Honestly, as much as I love this channel, I kinda wish he had more "locks that I would use" videos. It's great to warn people away from locks with faulty designs, but I don't know what the better alternatives are.
@@chuckyducky237I agree, although I'm sure there's already a good resource from other expert lockpick hobbyists, I just don't know any besides LPL
To be fair, since I started watching LPL, I've been dividing locks into two categories: The shitty ones and those he hasn't featured yet.
@@chuckyducky237 search his channel. He has several vids on what he thinks are good locks and why.
If anything, this channel has taught me that you should never, under any circumstances, rely on a padlock to keep anything safe. Not even the diary of a six-year-old.
I love that the first one was raked open before he'd even finished the store promo.
In the military I learned that "new" doesn't mean "better". It means they found a lower bidder.
Also applies to the corporate world as well.
"Can be used out of the box" is high praise from the LPL. Cheers 🇨🇦
He said "probably" which sounds like shade to me. Can't tell if he's endorsing it (metaphorically speaking) or being passive-aggressive towards it.
Locks are usually much harder to use if you don't take them out of the box.
Though, I guess it depends on what you are using them for.
Master Locks will still work perfectly fine to stop papers from blowing off your desk even if you leave the packaging on.
It's so good to see you 'back at the beginning' where you use regular picks and practices. The specialized tools you have are very interesting, but watching you actually blast through a lock with your old-school techniques is just awesome. The only thing missing from this video is a dual gutting.
Either way, thank you for putting up these videos.
I have to agree. While the lishi tools are clever, they make for boring pick videos.
We need a video of LPL giving lock suggestions he would give to serve different security purposes, such as locking your bike, up to closijg a storage locker
so 3 second short cus not many take to long open so not many good ones
Why do I see this question everywhere? There are no good options or alternatives. Deal.
@@Anthony-stama Did you have a stroke or is English not your first language?
@@--_DJ_-- I was tired from doing 3 tests rushing to type and not that good at grammar(during typing) sometimes and trying to start my phone
@@--_DJ_-- and that not funny
I wonder what the LockPickingLawyer would do if a company named Fluke started making locks? Then it would be a Fluke!🤣
The locks would need to come in yellow rubber cases (just like their mustimeters).
Don't divide by zero dude... 😄
Theyd be very resistant to dropping and be well loked by electricians, but be very expensive lol
Yeah... no. That company makes scientific instruments, notably multimeters. They would not be good at locks.
@@davidthomas2870not just electricians, many people/trades use them.
I like the idea of the standard size cylinder. Adding some better protection to the core should be part of keying the lock to match other Schlage.
This guy brings new meaning to the old saying, "some people see locked doors, others see opportunity."
"some people see locked doors, LPL sees a 10 second delay"
When I saw the bitting on the KS72's keys, I immediately thought of the Wave Rake. I have seen similarly "flat" bitting in an in service lock before.
Maybe you could have tried raking the second one first to demonstrate that it does not work? (whether the lock is resistant to raking or the shape of the keyway makes the rake not fit)
What makes a lock rakable is the relative depth of the key pins. When their depths are close to each other, it's easy to push all of them up at the same time with the wave rake.
@@mhfuzzball It's also the security pins. They would often fall back down when raking and require allot more varied tension.
Look at the bitting on the 5 pin key, it mirrors the wave rake.... Such a sitting duck for LPL.
Great demonstration thanks.
Seeing the title reminded me of the children's book "Same, Same but Different" I used to read to my kids and gave me a good laugh. Thanks for the lock review LPL.
Seeing the title reminded me of: The Fractured, but Whole.
Love your channel and its even made me learn lock picking myself
If "Fluke" was a brand of locks, they'd probably be the best in the world, as LPL would always be comparing to them. Other locks just don't stand up to them :D
Best just like their electrical testing equipment
There is an accesory for the Fluke meters to attach with a lock, but it looks less secure than the masterlock attached to it...
But why did John Fluke invoke his special homosexual rights to sell his company to the Chinese ?
But we can have some comfort knowing he wasn't a Trump supporter !
Fluke is in Beaverton where Harry's thoughts are when he is not picking locks....
The bitting on the large locks looks easy.
Your expertise is so fun to watch and learn from thank you.
Great job once again, LPL! Thank you.
I haven't thought of Schlage in over a decade.
Get LPL on the "barnacle" window boot from NY.
A Giant briefcase suction cup parking infraction deterrent. It's activated with a key so it must be picked.
Watching LPP pick locks is like watching a Tyson fight on his hayday. The match is over in 30 seconds and now we just sit here and drink. LOL
I knew the wave rake was coming. Still laughed!!
Thank you for showing a lock you think would be good to use. Truly enjoy your videos. 😊
Wish I could do it so fast! You inspired me to start lockpicking! Just today I've applied for my Blue belt. Hope I can buy the Covert Instruments tools in the future here in the Netherlands so I can try them out! I only hear good things about them.
Didn't even finish the promo before it was open. Amazing as always
love it when i guess the right tool he uses before its used.
Great video and very informative.
Finished picking it before he finished promoting the pick set... amazing.
Great video!
There's a garage door at my parents' house that hadn't been used for years, and the key cannot be found. We wanted the door open to make it easy to clean up the clutter inside.
Your videos inspired me to get some improvised tools to unlock it. I used a bent keyring for tension and a jeweler's flathead as a pick, and it opened up. Happy picking
This would be quite the expensive project but I would love to see you spend a day testing gallium, specially on safes, it would be cool to smelt through a safe with gallium
Great information, beautiful presentation, I can say I thoroughly enjoyed this video. But let's go ahead and watch it again just to make sure it was not a fluke.
I like how loud the sound of it unlocking was. Probably weird, but it was extremely satisfying. 😂
Lol.. 1st opens in 2 sec, 2nd takes
I have to ask, how do you know/decide when to tension top vs. bottom of the keyway?
I think as you pick it you find that the tension bar is in the wrong location so you change to a different one until it is comfortable to pick. Since LPL has already test picked these locks he skips the trial and error portion. Also the same cores from a brand will pick the same way, so you can use that as a short cut.
Shape. You're working on the pin book, so you don't need the tensioner in the way.
Raking is usually done BOK to leave maximum room for the rake to maneuver around the pins. TOK bar would block the rake from hitting first couple pins and restrict angle of attack on the other pins.
Otherwise: most locks are easier to pick TOK to allow maximum range of motion for the pick, but there are exceptions, e.g. some pickers use BOK to provide a stable platform to lever the pick off of, some keyway warding doesn't allow accessing pins from the bottom, and so on.
You know it’s a junk lock when you see bottom tension and wave rake
EXCELLENT, exactly the video i was hoping for.
"... and a wave rake..." Oh no, that never bodes well for the security of a lock.
Surprising (at least to me) to see something with the Schlage brand on the key that has no security pins. I would consider myself a novice to intermediate picker and every Schlage-branded cylinder I own has at least some spools.
I wonder how many thieves pick locks? I'd be willing to bet less than 1%.
Thank you
thanks
Great video!😸
I am sure other people of culture have noted, "The body... is round."
I groan out loud when he pulls out a wave rake
Would have been interesting to see a rake attempt on the older lock, the more secure 6-pin.
Every time I see one of these videos I am inspired to become a locksmith!
It’s a shame the KS72 isn’t more secure from factory because the convenience of that cylinder is compelling for homeowners who want it keyed alike to their garage, etc. As you said, modifying it with a spool and some security pins would make is substantially more pick resistant, I just can’t believe they don’t do that from the factory with these higher-end pad locks
It would be interesting to see the inside parts in comparison especially the low cut pins.
Make your own Lock brand !!!!
I have been watching your videos for a long while now, and decided to take the plunge and start lockpicking as a new hobby. Thanks for making these videos.
That pair is also a brilliant example of how you can't look at the key to determine quality of the lock. One on the left has the better quality keys, but the worse security.
The key for the Schlage on the left actually looks like a rake.
That first one was murder, the second was maybe negligence causing bodily harm.
You know the lock is terrible when the rake comes in
Makes you wonder if they could sell the body and core separately.
Started the CI plug before picking and couldn't even finish before he got an open. 😂
And out comes the wave rake... 😀
Good video 👍👍
Love your vids. I had a gun, weed and cash in a brinks home security safe (I have a teenager in the house). The key disappeared. I watched a couple of your vids for inspiration but am nowhere near adept a thief as you. But I got the thing open within about 7 minutes thanks to a bit of inspiration from you.
Locks only keep honest people honest
I'm waiting for one which fires the cylinder in the direction of the picker while a small amount of thermite welds it shut permanently.
This lock will self destruct in 5 seconds
Good luck Mr LPL
@@JelMain That would actually make it illegal. LPL did a review a while ago of a bike lock with a pressurized cylinder to act as a booby-trap if sawed; his picking side picked the lock. His lawyer side warned against using it as you might be criminally liable if someone got injured.
welcome to security theatre
Glad my bank doesn't agree with you
I laughed so hard when the first one popped so fast he didn't even get to finish the name of the website before it did.
I swear LPL's plugs are the ones on YT that I mind the least. They are short and flow naturally in the script
the moment i saw the shape of the keys i knew that the right one was the more secure. that trapezoid shape is a standardized symbol for fairly high security locks, at least here in europe, while the left one looked more like the standard american low security key shape
Looks like the bigger lock is NOT on the list of locks to buy.
The moment that wave rake comes out, they know they messed up.
You are welcome, interesting seeing size does not matter in this case.
Schlage takes a beating just like Master with that first one.
There should be a 'Department of Locking Mechanisms' headed by you and staffed by experienced lock pickers.
All locking devices should be tested by your department through different tests, like how easy is it to destroy, how easy is it to pick, etc.
And if it passes, then it can be legally sold.
A+ your awesome very informative
Oh no! Not the wave rake!
he said the thing, he said the thing!
Why is UA-cam not recommending your stuff anymore 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢.😢😢😢😢
The wave rake of shame!
Finally after years of watching you and bill i finally got my first set with is sparrow’s competitor set and a few extra picks and tension bars. Thought about practice lock and decided no I’ll just get cheapo masterlock 😂
I swear, soon he'll just give the lock a stern look and it will open in fear. 😄
3 months ago UA-cam stoped showing me your channel even though I have notifications on all. Today I got a notification. I don't know what UA-cam did to there algorithm but it stopped showing me thing I want to see on my feed if I skip over like one video.
3 month ago LPL took a break from what I gather.
Go to subscriptions or his channel. I bet you didn't actually miss any.
This is the new Masterlock security plan : they bribed Google to stop proposing LPL videos displaying wave rakes or yellow hammers.
Only trust your "subscriptions" tab. And go watch the April 1st masterpiece!
helps to use an RSS feed instead of relying on UA-cam's algorithm. this is becoming more and more of a problem, even with large channels like LPL.
Doesn't even need a key🚫🔑 ,just a wave rake !on the KS72
The bigger lock is a visual deterrent. They hope the potential person with ill intent will think they can’t get past the lock quickly… of course if they watch LPL, “…and we got this open.”
yayy thank u!! ^_^
ProTip: It's NEVER a fluke.
You know a lock is bad when you can’t even finish the brief tool advert before you’ve raked it open
Seems like you can pick every lock ever made. So your knowledge of lock weaknesses might point your imagination toward innovative improvements. I would enjoy watching a video from you about how you would design a pick-proof lock. Or what ideas do you have about making a perfect lock? Maybe a series featuring new, unique, strange and effective lock mechanisms to get people thinking how to move society beyond Master and Schlage.
I occasionally watch Penn and Teller's Fool Us show. I think it would be so cool to see someone come up with a magic routine for LPL to use on a show like that.
Could a lock manufacturer design a lock so that if the first position is pushed in, it makes the lock unopenable? It would seem that it would be a deterrent to a lock picker.
Man didn’t even finish his covert instruments pitch before the lock opened.
Thank you for the April Fools' present LPL! I sent that to my parents to make them laugh
You know it‘s gonna be a fast „aaand we got this open“ when the video is not even 3 minutes long.
I’ve got a KS72 of my own, out of the box is that it isn’t very impressive but it’s just screaming for a Primus core. That makes it a very good lock
It's always fun watching your videos and great when you give a heads up on differences between locks - even though to the untrained eyes looks identical! Just wondering about comparison series what your opinions on some of the newer bike locks that are billed as cut/saw resistant? I'm sure almost all bike locks can be picked at varying degrees of difficulty, but wondering how the new cut prevention tech actually holds up? I've had my Kryptonite Fughedaboutit for over a decade and still very confident with using it in sketchy areas, but thinking maybe it's time for a new lock. I had checked the shackle one day and noticed what appears to be a saw attempt on the lock, but I must have interrupted them without knowing.
I was wondering your opinions on the Hiplock D1000, and the Litelok X3 or the X3? Unfortunately I know the prices for these locks are quite expensive, I guess the reason why it would be nice for an honest review before committing to order one or the other. Thanks again for all your fantastic videos!
Would love to see him teach a racoon how to open locks.
He said "wave rake" knew it was over for that lock.
Just LPL with a couple of Shlages. To be fair that is high praise to say you can use it out the box.
That left one with the Sc1 keyway had terrible bitting, probably could have slow zipped it!!
Its a Masterlock in disguise