Super interesting exploits. Lock picking lawyer is one sharp guy 🙇♂️. Thanks for putting all that time into them to educate me on how to make them stronger! I think I smell something in the wind though. Wait yes I know that smell. It smells distinctly like lock V3.......
Horror movie be like: "It's the most advanced lock ever made, no one has even theorized a way to pick it open. We'll be safe here." "Little click on one..." *panic intensifies*
One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no UA-camr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear andy
Yeah, I caught myself thinking whether you could buy one of these... Frankly, every time I watch LPL or other people lockpicking on the internet, I can't stop myself from thinking that locks are bs and mostly there to make one feel better, not to actually stop or slow someone - since clearly when you know what you're doing it doesn't really matter whether the lock is there or not
@@deSolAxeThat's what a lot of security factors are for, in the end. Locks specifically are just useful as a deterrent- enough to keep amateurs out, or at least enough to make it not worth the effort in comparison to other potential targets. Any determined individual can get through a lock, but as long as doing so is enough of a pain in the ass, they'll opt to go break into somewhere else, unless they just really hate you specifically lmao
@@velvetphilocks also keep non criminals from getting into things you don’t want them to as well as letting the police prosecute criminals who bypass them!
And the fact that the designer took the critique and advice immediately and began reinforcing it even further is just great. I'd like to see a followup where they have gone even further with the design, fixing the flaws and putting the challenge forwards again. I think LPL would be extremely proud to get a lock that he can't bypass.
@@teloenand Knowing stuff made here, he will definitely do a mkIII. I really like this collaboration because the point of the LPL channel is to encourage inovation in locks and he seems so happy to see someone actually doing it.
it was a major burn. Given the edit, I would love to know if LPL a) watched the SMH videos or b) knew from inspection the mechanisms involved. someday, LPL will face a locked door with a device he did not see from the other side.
Considering that the extreme majority of thieves would have no idea this lock is so unique without the ability to see into the insides of the lock, this is effectively unpickable.
Well, there is is the Bowley lock (video 636) as well. And bosnianbill did a video of a bike lock a long time ago that worked kind of similar to the current video, but instead took the key away inside the mechanism, preventing you from accessing the pins externally.
I think it is also important that these locks were made by 1 guy in less than a year with little to no prior knowledge. Not a lock company that can throw TONS of manpower and hours into effective locks.
He would have to make them at least $3000 before uncle Sam would consider buying them. Expensive means you can expand your budget next year, since you proved its insufficient lol
@@BrokeWrench That would be a bit cheap. An average freelance engineer can typically ask $80 per hour. So with 4 weeks work (as he claimed), that's about 8 hours * 5 days * 4 weeks = 160 hours. Or $12.800 in total.
@@curtislevey7639 Also that was the time it took to test and redesign them many times. If you have done it once it should be pretty straightforward to repeat.
Coulda just milled a ring around the outer edge of the back of the lock, so that it sits inside the cutout of the door a little bit. Then it creates a lip that the tool can't bypass at that angle. It's only accessible now because it's flat surface against flat surface.
As long as there is a way to unlock a lock with a key, there will be a way to do it without one. If you really want to prevent someone from getting in, it would be best to use a deadbolt although that poses obvious issues.
Just throw in 'my mechanics' channel, and I absolutely know it could be done. I'm not sure how many people follow him but it's pretty amazing watching him do things and come across the part that's unfixable so he says "I make a new one". I've always wondered about a collaboration between some of these guys. LPL, my mechanics, and STUFF. I believe that would be an inescapable and unpickable lock.
Yeah… turning it as far as it could go to the left to disengage the deadbolt and using the knife to walk it back… that kinda stung watching given that it was the V2 lock Though it looks like the schematics were provided specifically for feedback and to have LPL study them for design flaws, so this is surely exactly the kinda stuff that SMH was hoping to see/learn I’ve only seen a couple dozen of LPL’s videos, but I do wonder why there don’t seem to be many locks with more involved and varied builds I mean, it’s prolly cause the more involved and more mechanics to a lock, the more likely something would break from normal use and the easier it would be to damage… but it’s something I think about nowadays 😊
@@TheMulToyVerse I believe it's more related to the fact that complexity drives up the price of a lock. Until a larger portion of the general public is aware what a crappy deal a Master Lock is... Master has to motivation to change anything. Their brand recognition alone will keep the company afloat.
It was pretty clear that back plate already existed before this and it wasn't just made after lpl said something. It just wasn't included at first to give the lock a way of being exploited here.
"This was actually a great lock, besides the fact he made one small mistake. He left a gap roughly around the diameter of a strand of human hair, which allowed me to use my microscopic pair of pliers to completely dismantle the entire lock." -LockPickingLawyer, 2022
Shane is going to have a third design out for sure. He’s a great engineer and the main reason the LPL got through is his extensive experience in defeating locks and Shane’s lack thereof. I’m willing to bet Shane facepalmed when LPL walked the bolt back into the lock. I’d say between the two of them bouncing their skills off each other can get as close to an unpickable lock as anyone ever has.
Agreed. It's a pretty classic issue in any kind of denial work. If your stopping force can simply be avoided entirely, then it doesn't matter how good it is. Applies to security, debates, politics, law..... Arguments with your SO... It's 100% a facepalm moment. The lock is no good if the bolt goes, but when you're focusing on making a lock, you aren't worrying about if the wood of the door is rotten.
Shane is a very intelligent guy. But there are also very intelligent people in the lock building business that have 30+ years of experience. It is extremely difficult to go into a new industry and make substantial improvements.
@@AndrewD624 Note that the companies with 30+ years of experience are trying to make commercially viable products. Shane isn't subject to that restriction, nor does his lock have the same longevity requirements.
I think we can fully discount the bypass method used on the V2 as a viable solution because had the “door” been mounted correctly, it would be swinging inward and there would be no access to deadbolt, or hinges for that matter
Yeah, i would say it's unpickable. If he didn't see the insides, and it was mounted the door the right way, so you wouldn't see the bolt and also installed the plate on the back, it wouldn't have been so easy.
Doors typically swing outward in a lot of countries. Giving access to the deadbolt is obviously a horribly terrible idea no matter where the door swings.
@@TimoRutanen Yes, but if the door swings outward you can easily have the outside of the door overhang the frame, so access to the deadbolt would be prevented (and also to seal against the wheather). In Germany I have never seen a residential door with visible access to the bolt.
every door in my house goes in. as does the front door. cause its easier to protect them from crowbar attacks. its a fairly common practice where they put a metal strip on it. which doesnt work if it swings out. I dont think "most countries" have doors that swing out. maybe a screen door wich doesnt offer protection but the "real"" front door opens inward what shitty countries have those other doors?? @@TimoRutanen
@@prometheus6835 For any secure system, you must assume the attacker knows how it works, and its security cannot depend on hiding this knowledge. Look up “security through obscurity” for more details.
According to the directors commentary shane spent a month on the v2 lock with a 1 week sprint before working on a different project then a 3 week sprint later.
0:55 “A few minor oversights that I was able to exploit” I immediately thought of a door breaching shotgun and realized that the lock is not bulletproof
@@3-valdiondreemur564 you wouldn't attack the lock mechanism directly with a shotgun anyway, even with breaching rounds. Instead you're just blasting out the door jamb around the dead bolt or hinges.
@@Tyler-mp7kh he mentioned 3 ways. The backplate stops 1. The 45 degree adjustment stops another. Making the 2nd core pins variable height would stop the 3rd.
I think what we're seeing here is that Shane made locks that were "unpickable" from what he saw via the conventional attacks that LPL makes on pickable locks. LPL responded by finding mechanical solutions that exploited the brand new flaws the designs Shane came up with produced. Which is utterly brilliant on the part of both men.
@@possibility28able ...what kind of petty criminal has LPL-level skills? "In the real world" a petty criminal attempts a rake attack and then starts looking for a window.
@@possibility28able In the real world a decently priced lock that failed LPL's test would deter majority of criminals. Also the point of the video is to find the faults of the lock so that it can be improved on. As LPL said there were only a few problems with it and can be easily fixed to become a true unpickable lock.
@@datguytino There are a few locks that are unpickable in that sense then; I'm not sure if he ever finished trying to pick a Bowley lock ( as I don't recall a recent video about it, but the vids I remember is [636]), but the SMH lock reminds me of them - making sure that the picker can't access the pins easily. They are unpickable too, if you don't know the mechanics within them.
@@VilTheVillain I'm starting to feel like that would be the only way. Shane literally built a back cover to fix one exploit LPL used before he even made the video, and the other two weaknesses are easily fixable with very little work. I feel like give them a few months working together, and they can create a truly unbeatable lock
Shane usually only gets things to the "proof of concept" phase before switching to a new project. He's already worked on this one for ~6 months. That said, it wouldn't shock me in the slightest if someone with business experience either bought or "borrowed" this idea from Shane.
Shane: -"Here is my ultimate and improved unpickable lock." LPL: -"So this is how you could pick the lock, I didn't do that because there's an easier way to open it."
@@darkdraconis that's what they are called by SMH. Obviously it's just a clickbait title, I think everyone is well aware. The commenter was also just making a joke just because of how casually LPL deals with all these bombastic claims. Just part of the fun.
@@vladromanyuk6739 there is a question mark behind it in the title. so its a question and not a statement. He put it in quotes so it better be correct. SMH
01:10 - Explain what he will do 01:25 - Explain the first lock 02:21 - Explain the second lock 03:33 - Vulnerabilities 04:49 - Core picking the second lock 05:50 - "Picking" the second lock 07:49 - Lockpicking the first lock 09:02 - Damage to the door 09:38 - Fixing the first lock 09:48 - Fixing the second lock
Money out of wallet, watch off the wrist, ring off a finger, the finger's binding, let's apply little more tension, there we go, and that's all I have taken from you today, and as always, have a nice day.
The difference with lockpickinglawyer giving Shane advice on the locks is Shane is probably one of the few people who will actually do something with that advice and improve on the design. Even if it takes Shane another several months making it.
@@conradsmith4195 well, then your door will be pickable in winter cuz wood contracts and expands with temprature and with different moisture levels as well.... so, a dry winter day is perfect to pick that lock
@@9xlives901 Yeah, but that's a common theme on this channel. "This would actually be pretty difficult to pick except if I stick a shim in the right place the lock just pops open."
It won't be because of how expensive it is and lack of mass production resources. Even if they did, there is no market for them because you could just get through the door itself. The only market would be for safes, and even then they use keyless mechanisms that are much cheaper. Just a gimmicky project for fun.
This is what I always wanted modern engineering to work like: Do it in front of the target customers, have the "opposing/other" side pick up an engineers work as a challange, re-iterate in a friendly and fun competition and come up with a result, that is pretty close to an optimal solution. Please continue and put the result to production as a sellable product. This is similar to how open source software works since about 40 years and amplyfies the potential of community-driven development. Ah, and by the way, thanks for the videos, great stuff for entertainment :)
After seeing how it was made and observing the keys to see the pin numbers. He literally had the blueprints... I would have liked to have seen him pick it without knowing that just like Shane sent it.
seems like the second one is truly unpickable.... LPL didnt mention any vulnerabilities once he showed the (expensive/machined) back plate... and besides with a proper installation and on a metal door, LPL wouldnt have been able to squeeze his tool in between the lock and door.
@@jonbar140 yeah and i would have also liked for him to try again with the back plate on... i dont like all the work around of squeezing through the door or having to weld the pins... obviously its a wooden door anybody could cut through it anyways... im very interested in LPLs thoughts of the 2nd one with the back plate in it now.
@@deuxexmachimax If someone wants to break into your home, if they are professionals they always come prepared. They will look for the model and train it. Especially if the model gets purchased by more people.
The beauty is, it's no rivalry. He calls it a challenge but honestly they're both creating amazing content and promoting each other. This is a team effort, not a rivalry🙏🏼
In fact, too friendly a rivalry. Neither wanted to lose face. So they rigged the match so that neither would. This was like the Raiders showing the Steelers their playbook before the game. Doesn't happen this way in real life or in an interesting real life simulation. This was like a homeowner leaving the lock diagram by the front door with a note saying "Dear Thief. Lock diagram in envelope under the rug."
The funniest thing about this is SMH was worried that LPL had some obscure tool that would defeat his lock and then LPL pulled out his pocket knife and then for the other, a hammer.
I found it a bit weird that SMH welded the door hinges,... knowing that the lock hole wasnt the only option. Yet left the whole backside of the lock wide open.
Outswing doors are generally required to be mounted on closed hinges. The attacker should not have access to hinge pins unless the building is not up to code (or in a jurisdiction that is really neglecting dwelling security). Likewise, the deadbolt must never be accessible from the outside for the same reasons. Normally, outswing doors are seen in commercial spaces that by nature expect heavy traffic and are required to use them due to fire regulations, they use shielding on the outside of the door or a door with a lip that protects the entire swing side (also preferable in a residential area, since it allows for proper weather insulation). The mock door does not represent a door that should happen in a residential area.
@@kabirkumar5815 can't say whether it wouldn't be pickable at all, just not with this technique and tools. Perhaps using something significantly more elaborate.
Pretty sure both are joking. If LPL had that for the entire video after so much hype between channels, nobody would be satisfied. It's one thing to show easily bypassed locks for a commercial product, but he knew he had to approach it honestly. If we're very lucky, SMH will put in the ridiculous time custom machining takes for v.3 & v.4, and we might get a part 2, but I wouldn't count on it. SMH already succeeded in proof of concept, removing exploits and having LPL spending time trying to find new ways to pick or bypass it isn't nearly so enjoyable for either party (though I would be interested to hear what LPL would do if his suggestions were implemented)
"He welded the hinge pins on, probably to keep me from just knocking the pins and declaring victory. Which is definitely something I would have done" 🤣🤣
The hinge pins and the bolt exploit are the reason why you want your security door to open into the secured area. First exploit on the second lock would have been much harder if the door-jam was in the way(though I am sure LPL has a special tool to make it easy).
@@nobodyimportant2470 first exploit could have been fixed with an astragal...well apart from not having that design flaw to begin with. Most exterior doors have to open outwards for fire safety reasons. You can also get different kind of hinges if you want it to be more secure than NRP butt hinges.
When lpl says that the lock has the potential to be “formidable lock design” with easy changes then that is really high praise for a first time lock maker!
@@Sgt__Hawk Then again, most would-be burglars out there probably won't have the necessary equipment needed for that, so you shouldn't have to worry too much anyway.
fun lock design and collaboration! After watching who knows how many of LPL videos I'm just more convinced that locks are there to keep decent people out. Any home break in in my area is brute force door kicked in or open patio doors, never once read about a picked lock entry, so really not concerned about that at all. That being said, I just ordered the Genesis set to play with my own locks, see how easy (I doubt it) it actually is to defeat them. Not that I'd expect a thief to spend the time when they can just kick in the door or take a saw to the wall anywhere and make their own door, most people live in wooden boxes here, sheet rock isn't gonna do much against a saw, LOL. I don't know why I'm even watching all these videos, it's almost kind of a zen thing plus puzzle solving and some magic, no wonder he has 4+ million subs. So satisfying! And what a random and odd career!
@@ShadowLynx777 I mean he did say it took him almost a month to figure it out so in normal life I would say they are pretty unpickable but it’s still insane to see him get through these so easily once he figured it out.
@@mitchellwilliams2060 It did, but I think unpickable means can't be picked even by those that know how it works. Because if you have this lock and LPL comes back to your house a month later and just pops it open, then it's it still unpickable?
"For this challenge, I will just use my handy firemans axe and go through the door." Brute force wins every time. (even though I appreciate that he used the hammer and knife to actually manipulate the lock, so i'll still consider his solution as "picking" the lock)
@@TheStoicApe TBF if someone NOTICES you locking in somewhere you don't belong, that's also how you get shot. More like that's how you increase your changes you get noticed. Plus they do make relatively well reinforced doors, metal, etc. (Windows exist too haha)
@@havardmj I believe he recorded sound of his own door bell and it was impossible to keep the dog from barking in the background. Thus you can hear it on the recording that is played every time you push the button. A real door bell would be too big for the tiny door.
I don't think he's ever said to a manufacturer "excellent work on these locks" It's so easy to tell LPL absolutely loved this collaboration. He really loves this field, and seeing actually new talent in it must be incredible.
@@AntiSociety100 You would probably be surprised how many people/organizations would use a custom expensive lock. Besides, it's only prohibitively expensive now because these are single run prototypes, with scale and mindful processes that would bring the cost down.
@@NoStereo Can't give you the example, but we have seen some lock companies comment here and address the problems, trying to fix them and also send LPL the new version. But they are rare. Not every company is Master Lock.
I think the coolest thing about picking these, is that they still behave like working "off the shelf" locks when picked. Meaning Shane built seemingly reliable locks, that just happen to still be pickable(like all locks on LPL).
But Shane relied I think on alot of conventional wisdom regarding locks. And that's the issue. Lol knows lock history well. And how to defeat. Shane has to come up with a totally NEW beast.
Your absolute willingness to cooperate with others and share your knowledge is definitely something I strive towards. Your manner of speech is absolutely clear without any manner of shame, which is very palatable. Iron sharpens iron. Others appear to be using you to sharpen themselves against. This is not a bad thing.
@@nuthinnew Increased cloistering and closing off of knowledge is a bad thing. If the open-source communities had been closed-source, due to cloistering, Linux would not be the powerhouse it is for devices large and small. And many other projects would never have grown and flourished as they have. The openness and not the cloistering is a positive thing.
@@killermist what happens when someone finds a backdoor in windows and makes that information public knowledge? it gets patched immediately. you cant do that with locks. If you have no idea of this channel, you wouldn't know to upgrade your bad lock. Lock picking for sport is a skill that takes time to get good at and can be fun to do at home. a challenge lock like this is exactly that, a challenge. bypasses require no skill and are no more enjoyable than turning a handle or pressing a button. teaching bypass methods to anyone including people with no good conscience is irresponsible.
@@killermist to be clear i have no problems with locksport as a hobby as most burglaries are the result of people forcing their way through a door or window. But when some locks can be opened by sliding a specialised tool somewhere and turning it, some burglar is going to try that as a quiet alternative. they dont pick locks, it takes too long
Probably wouldn't even if it was shit. SMH made this lock and insulting the lock would just be rude.If this was a lock he bought from a big company he would probably insult the overlook that the lock isnt held tight when turning the lock 45 degrees.
@@gulgaffel You know, I think you’re right. SMH was making a good faith effort to engineer an unpickable lock while the bulk of locks on LPL’s channel are manufactured by large corporations that are falsely marketing them as secure or high-end. That would mean that LPL would be more constructive with his critiques so that the design could be improved.
This is good stuff because LPL's knowledge and criticism can help Shane advance lock design so we may actually see Shane make a lock that is much more difficult to pick.
It seems that LPL is loving the challenge that Stuff Made Here is attempting. These to channels are great to watch, and the collab between em is even better.
I honestly think there are no such thing as an ¨unpickable lock¨ If it can be opened in a legit fashion, the condition can be reproduced with shady tricks and wits
@@TheMrffwinner if a lock can be opened, it can by definition be picked. Even if it's done by a brute force attempt of making&trying keys until one works. The whole point of (unpickable) locks is to make it too troublesome to attack. And, in the process, make sure that the lock itself is not the weakest link.
@@TheMrffwinner Thousands of years of security design and implementation has taught us 1 thing for sure, no security device or method will ever be unbeatable.
@I love you but Innovative design is a notable achievement in it's own right. You shouldn't be so dismissive of that just because it doesn't require an undergraduates degree in fluid dynamics.
He didn't actually pick the lock. What that was was now a vulnerability in the lock, but in the door itself. Actual door has a flange that makes the locking lug unaccessible. Also, the other attack that involved sliding the tensioning tool betweek the lock and the door could have been easily avoided by mounting the lock deeper in the door, not on top of the surface of the door.
@@htgoku with a little back and forth between LPL and Stuff Made Here, the second lock could become unpickable by anything less than a special made tool.
i would love to see this back and forth continue so the designs could evolve. shane is terrifyingly good at improving iterations of designs and he admitted that his biggest weakness was not knowing a lot about picking methods. if he corrected for each weakness you found every time you provided feedback, i'm certain he could eventually achieve his goal of unpickable
That same logic applies to pretty much any lock manufacturer, all they have to do is listen to feedback from people like lpl. They just don't, that and of course affordability has to be achieved.
@@towtruckaj affordability will be the biggest thing, in the end, you'll end up with a 500 dollar lock that anyone who really wants to get into will be able to just drill into anyway.
@@richman117 If these kinds of locks were sellable they'd have been commonplace already. Locks can be so easily picked by lpl not because the designs are bad, but because the difficulty of picking the lock is supposed to be on par with the difficulty of breaking the lock. It's not too hard to make an unpickable lock, give a decent team a year and they'll manage it, it's just that there's no point in making it so much more expensive for unpickability unless you're going to also make it, and the door it's attached to, out of a nigh-indestructible material.
Took a month and would take luch longer if he didnt get schematics/blueprint he would have to break it down to research enough to hypothesis how to pick it
Great work Shane, after watching a ton of videos here is 1 that would be secure to any normal attack. Fix the walking bolt (i worked that trick in the 50s) and either would work. Let us not forget, modern attacks can be extremely destrucive.
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Super interesting exploits. Lock picking lawyer is one sharp guy 🙇♂️. Thanks for putting all that time into them to educate me on how to make them stronger! I think I smell something in the wind though. Wait yes I know that smell. It smells distinctly like lock V3.......
Incredible locks. Looking forward to potentially seeing a V3!
Haha YES!
Can't wait for that part 3 !
Get it done Shane!
Brilliant engineering, enjoy your content! Looking forward to Lock v3 and your other videos :)
When you heard “click on one” you knew it was game over for this lock
YES!! 😂😂
Horror movie be like: "It's the most advanced lock ever made, no one has even theorized a way to pick it open. We'll be safe here."
"Little click on one..." *panic intensifies*
Lmao
Interestingly enough the video is 2-3 times longer than most which can only mean one thing, it must have put up a good fight.
I have my Ring Doorbell programmed to alert the police when it hears "Click On One."
It sounds like the LPL is smiling the entire time. This is probably christmas for him
This is Christmas for all of us who have patiently been waiting 😂
One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no UA-camr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear andy
He literally always sounds the same, its scary lol.
@@Titantitan001 probably comes with the lawyer part
That was worth the wait! I love that he got the 2nd version open with a pocket knife. One of my favorite UA-camr collaborations ever.
"formidable lock design" from lpl must be one of the biggest achievements you can get in this world. Wow
Right up there with "A lock I would personally use to secure my valuables"
I agree
Yeah, I caught myself thinking whether you could buy one of these...
Frankly, every time I watch LPL or other people lockpicking on the internet, I can't stop myself from thinking that locks are bs and mostly there to make one feel better, not to actually stop or slow someone - since clearly when you know what you're doing it doesn't really matter whether the lock is there or not
@@deSolAxeThat's what a lot of security factors are for, in the end. Locks specifically are just useful as a deterrent- enough to keep amateurs out, or at least enough to make it not worth the effort in comparison to other potential targets. Any determined individual can get through a lock, but as long as doing so is enough of a pain in the ass, they'll opt to go break into somewhere else, unless they just really hate you specifically lmao
@@velvetphilocks also keep non criminals from getting into things you don’t want them to as well as letting the police prosecute criminals who bypass them!
"I gotta say he did the right thing because I definitely would have done that"
made me chuckle
lol - Same.
I'm wondering why he didn't just put the hinges on the inside like a normal door.
@@Bob5mith i think because its a box
@@Bob5mith *His thoughts are beyond our understanding*
@@justme5384 It seems to be a Nordic thing, as here in southern Europe doors open inwards.
I couldn’t help but smile when I heard “...a fewer minor oversights that I was able to exploit.”
I let out the most shit-eating-grin smile I've ever made and it scares me
same lmao. i knew he wasnt gonna let me down
To be fair shane also said in his video that he notice some flaws when he rebuild the lock but decided to keep them to be able to be more options
I did the same when I heard "Click out of one..."
Never gets old
I only wish we could see a live reaction from Shane
"these are unpickable locks..."
"Now, before we pick these."
I was laughing so hard. How he says this stuff with a straight face.
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I mean, the definition of picking is more narrow than all of the attacks that one can make.
Absolutely, yes!
@@Issenthevampire i love how you assume his face was straight when he said it.
I don’t event use locks. I have zero interest in locks. Yet here I am, on a 2 hours binge watching this guy picking locks. Fascinating stuff.
You don’t use locks??
Where do you live? Don't worry, no one will confirm that you have no locks...
Damn bro btw what's your house address out of curiosity haha
During all my highschool, I used masterlock which means: I could have been robbed easily
You don’t have doors? Your House? Mailbox?? Car???
A compliment of “quite good” is like a 5 star rating from Gordon Ramsay.
And the fact that the designer took the critique and advice immediately and began reinforcing it even further is just great. I'd like to see a followup where they have gone even further with the design, fixing the flaws and putting the challenge forwards again. I think LPL would be extremely proud to get a lock that he can't bypass.
@@teloenand SMH has released a post saying he’ll design an improved version within 2 years for a follow up
@@teloenand Knowing stuff made here, he will definitely do a mkIII. I really like this collaboration because the point of the LPL channel is to encourage inovation in locks and he seems so happy to see someone actually doing it.
"I talked for TOO long" === This is the best meal I've had in my entire fucking life
Lockson Ramsay
"Might as well let him know we're here."
LPL is an absolute savage lol
i fucking died when he said this lmao
Very dry humour.
Must not forget about the April fool's specials too.
That poor dog.
it was a major burn. Given the edit, I would love to know if LPL a) watched the SMH videos or b) knew from inspection the mechanisms involved. someday, LPL will face a locked door with a device he did not see from the other side.
@@Dschickler LPL did pick competition locks before that he unwrapped on camera.
Love it. Both of you are so great.
Do you think they’ll iterate to a point LPL can’t open the lock?
Love you Destin.
don't forget to say also that I'm great like them, it defenetly will make my week
Slow Mo footage of bumping the pins?
Hi dusty
Considering that the extreme majority of thieves would have no idea this lock is so unique without the ability to see into the insides of the lock, this is effectively unpickable.
Considering that the extreme majority of thieves would use a crowbar or smash a window...
If someone wants in they’ll get in lol 😂
@@maggie7923Me on my way to ram the door after ragequitting the lock
@@maggie7923 Simple. Install a claymore in the window and at the entrance to the door and none is getting in or at least out alive.
@@sephikong8323It's crazy but it's actually illegal to booby trap your house.
"Quite good"
That might be the highest praise LPL has ever given to a lock. I'd chalk that up as an absolute win.
Agreed
Or when he says with just a couple simple changes they would be "formidable". Shows his design is a winner, just needs a little tweaking.
@Neiros2 there's also one (only one) video that I can recall where LPL rated a lock as one he would use.
Well, there is is the Bowley lock (video 636) as well. And bosnianbill did a video of a bike lock a long time ago that worked kind of similar to the current video, but instead took the key away inside the mechanism, preventing you from accessing the pins externally.
I think it is also important that these locks were made by 1 guy in less than a year with little to no prior knowledge. Not a lock company that can throw TONS of manpower and hours into effective locks.
"these locks are pretty good" they can be used on the pentagon is what im hearing
He would have to make them at least $3000 before uncle Sam would consider buying them. Expensive means you can expand your budget next year, since you proved its insufficient lol
@@BrokeWrench That would be a bit cheap. An average freelance engineer can typically ask $80 per hour. So with 4 weeks work (as he claimed), that's about 8 hours * 5 days * 4 weeks = 160 hours. Or $12.800 in total.
@@sanderd17 that's assuming he worked on these exclusively during the 4 weeks, it's more likely he had other projects going on at the same time.
@@curtislevey7639 Also that was the time it took to test and redesign them many times. If you have done it once it should be pretty straightforward to repeat.
@@sanderd17 When you buy a car do you pay for every working hour of every engineer that designed it?
Opening this door is exactly how I imagined LPL visiting his friends, pick the door first and ring just for pure courtesy.
**rings doorbell**
"Hellooo I'm here!" As he walks into the living room
lol
Watch the bosnian bill video where LPL comes to get the naughty bucket. Thats what happens lol (but its a bit) and we almost see his face
He is a lawyer.
@@jonbus766 bot.
With some collaboration Shane and LPL could come up with a pretty unbeatable lock.
For sure, agreed
literally went down to the comments to right this exact comment
@@carelessgamer9377 👍. Its true isn't it.
unless you have some 60 dollar bolt cutters
Well the cap on the back fixed one of the issues and the 45 degree angle thing wouldn't apply to my door as it is recessed about an inch in.
He should have welded the keyholes.
That would have been evil lol
That certainly be one way to make it unpickable
LPL: there are some minor problems that can be solved quite easily
*continues to melt every atom of the metal*
haha legend. I agree, he is unstoppable.
@@tamnker8465 So heavy that he wouldn't be able to pick it up.
“Might as well let him know we’re here.” This man is too powerful not only in his hobby but also in his humor. Lmao
How did LPL become a god? Or was he just born immortal?
Yes
And that dog bark was a nice touch
Hahahaha
He’s too OP and needs to be nerfed in the next update
"This was probably the most expensive solution..." Yeah, that's pretty much StuffMadehere.
"I spent hours hand machining these pins, then realized you can buy them for like a penny" -StuffMadeHere while making lock v2.
pretty much most of the engineer
Basically his engineering process. Making it barely work as the first step, then thinking about everything else
Coulda just milled a ring around the outer edge of the back of the lock, so that it sits inside the cutout of the door a little bit. Then it creates a lip that the tool can't bypass at that angle. It's only accessible now because it's flat surface against flat surface.
Nailed it lol
The ringing of the doorbell is the most savage portion of the video. 😂
Dog: *barks in retaliation
"Might as well let them know we're here." LOL
Yeah its hilarious.
Woke my dog from a dead sleep.
The greatest compliment imaginable is when LPL himself says "these locks are fairly good"
but then he picks them no problem 😂😂
Ssss
@@austintaylor7117 but thank goodness LPL lvl capable are super rare if not one of a kind 😁
He even said with some very minor fixes they could be "formidable"
@@austintaylor7117 how long did it take him ?
Shane: LPL will probably pull out some strange tool I've never heard of
LPL: *pocket knife*
That tool that tensioned the second core was strangish
I was like... Oh no... Not again. Lol
this comment made me choke on my drink
👍😂
@@yep_2431 It was just part of a key
I wonder with enough iterations if they could make a patentable perfect lock together
I certainly hope so!
"there are no locks I can't pick
But, there are locks I can't pick *yet* "
-LPL
As long as there is a way to unlock a lock with a key, there will be a way to do it without one. If you really want to prevent someone from getting in, it would be best to use a deadbolt although that poses obvious issues.
They probably could.. it would cost 30grand and a team of 15 artisanal locksmiths would need to work for a month to make and assemble it...
Just throw in 'my mechanics' channel, and I absolutely know it could be done. I'm not sure how many people follow him but it's pretty amazing watching him do things and come across the part that's unfixable so he says "I make a new one". I've always wondered about a collaboration between some of these guys. LPL, my mechanics, and STUFF. I believe that would be an inescapable and unpickable lock.
I love that he went after the V2 lock first because it was easier to exploit.
Yeah… turning it as far as it could go to the left to disengage the deadbolt and using the knife to walk it back… that kinda stung watching given that it was the V2 lock
Though it looks like the schematics were provided specifically for feedback and to have LPL study them for design flaws, so this is surely exactly the kinda stuff that SMH was hoping to see/learn
I’ve only seen a couple dozen of LPL’s videos, but I do wonder why there don’t seem to be many locks with more involved and varied builds
I mean, it’s prolly cause the more involved and more mechanics to a lock, the more likely something would break from normal use and the easier it would be to damage… but it’s something I think about nowadays 😊
@@TheMulToyVerse I believe it's more related to the fact that complexity drives up the price of a lock.
Until a larger portion of the general public is aware what a crappy deal a Master Lock is... Master has to motivation to change anything. Their brand recognition alone will keep the company afloat.
It was pretty clear that back plate already existed before this and it wasn't just made after lpl said something. It just wasn't included at first to give the lock a way of being exploited here.
"This was actually a great lock, besides the fact he made one small mistake. He left a gap roughly around the diameter of a strand of human hair, which allowed me to use my microscopic pair of pliers to completely dismantle the entire lock." -LockPickingLawyer, 2022
This is actually a great lock, besides the fact that he made one small mistake. He sent it to the lpl.
209 likes and 2 replies this comment won't age well
From the inside
Ugh that's so cringe
This was a good lock but the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
The collab of the year!!
For real
No
That award goes to Jim Browning and Mark Rober
這裡居然看的到Allan！
Ikr!
Shane is going to have a third design out for sure. He’s a great engineer and the main reason the LPL got through is his extensive experience in defeating locks and Shane’s lack thereof. I’m willing to bet Shane facepalmed when LPL walked the bolt back into the lock. I’d say between the two of them bouncing their skills off each other can get as close to an unpickable lock as anyone ever has.
Agreed. It's a pretty classic issue in any kind of denial work. If your stopping force can simply be avoided entirely, then it doesn't matter how good it is. Applies to security, debates, politics, law..... Arguments with your SO...
It's 100% a facepalm moment. The lock is no good if the bolt goes, but when you're focusing on making a lock, you aren't worrying about if the wood of the door is rotten.
Plus he got the time to study the lock before lock-picking it.
Shane is a very intelligent guy. But there are also very intelligent people in the lock building business that have 30+ years of experience. It is extremely difficult to go into a new industry and make substantial improvements.
He’s ridiculously talented.His ideas are gonna earn a lot of money.We’re so lucky he makes videos and takes us through his entire thought process.
@@AndrewD624 Note that the companies with 30+ years of experience are trying to make commercially viable products. Shane isn't subject to that restriction, nor does his lock have the same longevity requirements.
I think we can fully discount the bypass method used on the V2 as a viable solution because had the “door” been mounted correctly, it would be swinging inward and there would be no access to deadbolt, or hinges for that matter
Yeah, i would say it's unpickable. If he didn't see the insides, and it was mounted the door the right way, so you wouldn't see the bolt and also installed the plate on the back, it wouldn't have been so easy.
Doors typically swing outward in a lot of countries. Giving access to the deadbolt is obviously a horribly terrible idea no matter where the door swings.
@@TimoRutanen Yes, but if the door swings outward you can easily have the outside of the door overhang the frame, so access to the deadbolt would be prevented (and also to seal against the wheather). In Germany I have never seen a residential door with visible access to the bolt.
@@TimoRutanenIn countries that see annual snowfall, the doors swing inwards, otherwise the snow could block the door and trap the occupants inside.
every door in my house goes in. as does the front door. cause its easier to protect them from crowbar attacks.
its a fairly common practice where they put a metal strip on it. which doesnt work if it swings out.
I dont think "most countries" have doors that swing out. maybe a screen door wich doesnt offer protection but the "real"" front door opens inward
what shitty countries have those other doors?? @@TimoRutanen
You can tell LPL is seriously enjoying this, it’s not that often he sees a new type of lock design that could actually make it hard for him to pick
Emphasis on "could"
and he is cheating. he have full access to cores, so he can prepare attack plan. this is very very unfair to master
@@quintonbekeur2965 there is absolutely no way he could pick this if he didn't have prior knowledge of the internals.
@@Kanycmka Which is fine for stuffmadehere, he wanted to know any unknown exploits that he could've missed.
@@prometheus6835 For any secure system, you must assume the attacker knows how it works, and its security cannot depend on hiding this knowledge. Look up “security through obscurity” for more details.
Shane: Spends more then half a year building these locks.
LPL: “The mechanism is quite good”
That's high praise from LPL
@@ShadowLynx777 True
"Reality is sometimes disappointing"
Thanos*
According to the directors commentary shane spent a month on the v2 lock with a 1 week sprint before working on a different project then a 3 week sprint later.
LPL: “*Lol, lock go 45°*”
I think I'm more excited about this than I was with the last Avengers.
Hell yeah
Perfect comment
He picked it
Consoom consoom consoom
Who?
0:55
“A few minor oversights that I was able to exploit”
I immediately thought of a door breaching shotgun and realized that the lock is not bulletproof
Nor the door hinges, generally
Bring a saw and the lock wont even matter
Huh... Pretty sure it is, actually - at least to pellets.
Think the body is made of of stainless steel, and it's not particularly thin either.
@@3-valdiondreemur564 you wouldn't attack the lock mechanism directly with a shotgun anyway, even with breaching rounds. Instead you're just blasting out the door jamb around the dead bolt or hinges.
I was not disappointed.
Ok nerd
@@nothcial you’re talking like you’re something special
@@rivervance9273 but I'm not
Surprise seeing you here.
@@rivervance9273 He was just formally saying his name :/
Ringing the doorbell is just salt in the wound.
I loved that part "might as well let them know im here"
I know it stings
and the dog barking in the background
💀💀💀💀💀
"might as well let them know we're here"
This is why the internet should exist. Engineering meets expertise.
Spot on comment
@@jonbus766 for those who are about to click this link, it's an irrigation video
Great way to learn from each other
@@kashu8774 Just report it as spam and move on.
@@kashu8774 ok
The lock picking lawyer is the only guy to ring the doorbell after opening the door. That’s very intimidating
Me, 6 months ago-"Finally, a lock that LPL can't pick."
LPL-"Click out of one..."
seems like with the back plate then LPL cant do the second one... he didnt mention any further vulnerabilities.
"Two is binding..."
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@@Tyler-mp7kh he mentioned 3 ways.
The backplate stops 1.
The 45 degree adjustment stops another.
Making the 2nd core pins variable height would stop the 3rd.
@Yeah Yeah @#$% bots....
I think what we're seeing here is that Shane made locks that were "unpickable" from what he saw via the conventional attacks that LPL makes on pickable locks. LPL responded by finding mechanical solutions that exploited the brand new flaws the designs Shane came up with produced. Which is utterly brilliant on the part of both men.
Basically if he didn’t make a video going through the schematics, it would be unpickable in the real world
He has a diagram of how it's already made.. What kind of petty criminal would be carrying these...?
@@possibility28able ...what kind of petty criminal has LPL-level skills?
"In the real world" a petty criminal attempts a rake attack and then starts looking for a window.
@@possibility28able In the real world a decently priced lock that failed LPL's test would deter majority of criminals.
Also the point of the video is to find the faults of the lock so that it can be improved on. As LPL said there were only a few problems with it and can be easily fixed to become a true unpickable lock.
@@datguytino There are a few locks that are unpickable in that sense then; I'm not sure if he ever finished trying to pick a Bowley lock ( as I don't recall a recent video about it, but the vids I remember is [636]), but the SMH lock reminds me of them - making sure that the picker can't access the pins easily.
They are unpickable too, if you don't know the mechanics within them.
Can't wait till Shane redesigns his locks again based on the feedback and this happens again
"What we're gonna do is use this jackhammer to remove the wall and bypass the door and lock in it's entirety"
@@VilTheVillain I'm starting to feel like that would be the only way. Shane literally built a back cover to fix one exploit LPL used before he even made the video, and the other two weaknesses are easily fixable with very little work. I feel like give them a few months working together, and they can create a truly unbeatable lock
@@AlphaSeagull absolutely. A master engineer and a master lockpicker building a lock together? That shit would be bomb proof by the end.
@@acewarbringer4295 then they should patent it and either sell the lock or sell the design
Shane usually only gets things to the "proof of concept" phase before switching to a new project. He's already worked on this one for ~6 months. That said, it wouldn't shock me in the slightest if someone with business experience either bought or "borrowed" this idea from Shane.
I love that Shane and LPL have dogs barking at the doorbell.
Pretty sure thats Shane's barking dog as part of the recording
Hate to say it, but that’s a recording of the doorbell
Proven fact that a barking dog is the best deterrent.
@@benrowland9271didnt they show the dog barking in the video...
Because all locks are so terrible. The question is, can you lockpick a dog? if so, how?.
"The most expensive out of a dozen solutions" Yup, sounds like stuff made here.
Over engineered. Just the way we like it.
There's probably 6 versions of it too.
And he thought he stopped when he "ran out of ways to fail".. ;-)
Reminds me of the product development meme.
Ringing the door bell everytime you broke through the lock had me cracking up 😂
shoutout to those puppers.
I particularly liked that Shane added a dog barking to the doorbell
Shoutout for all the Good Woofers and Doggos as well as the Puppers 😁
So this is why mmda videos are slow. LOL
You're here! Checking some locks for MMDA head office? Hehe!
Shane: -"Here is my ultimate and improved unpickable lock."
LPL: -"So this is how you could pick the lock, I didn't do that because there's an easier way to open it."
When did he claim they are unpickable?
@@darkdraconis that's what they are called by SMH. Obviously it's just a clickbait title, I think everyone is well aware. The commenter was also just making a joke just because of how casually LPL deals with all these bombastic claims. Just part of the fun.
@@vladromanyuk6739 You have used "bombastic" in a legitimate way and I love that so much, thank-you for this
@@vladromanyuk6739 there is a question mark behind it in the title. so its a question and not a statement.
He put it in quotes so it better be correct.
SMH
@@ZaZi-Zeta01 lmao true, I didn' t realize this had to check the definiton because I wasn't too sure but it really is spot on ^^
Take my upvote Vlad!
01:10 - Explain what he will do
01:25 - Explain the first lock
02:21 - Explain the second lock
03:33 - Vulnerabilities
04:49 - Core picking the second lock
05:50 - "Picking" the second lock
07:49 - Lockpicking the first lock
09:02 - Damage to the door
09:38 - Fixing the first lock
09:48 - Fixing the second lock
Never before have I seen a need for timestamps on an LPL video yet here we are
@@theunknown7683 a
Simultaneous watching this & Stuff is Made, it's the only way to properly enjoy this Memorial Day.
Lol
Its finally happening
Pain
Agreed :)
Watch stuff made here first or else you will get spoilers
When he pulled out his pocket knife I realized that he could mug me and make me think it's the logical thing to do.
I guess that threathening the person who owns the key until they unlock the door for you is a sure and reliable way to pick ANY lock...
Money out of wallet, watch off the wrist, ring off a finger, the finger's binding, let's apply little more tension, there we go, and that's all I have taken from you today, and as always, have a nice day.
Click on rib 1, nothing on 2, or 3, nice click out of 4 …
Lol
Lmao i fell this
Shane: He’s gonna pull some tool I’ve never heard of out of his bag and pick this.
LPL: And all we need is a knife to walk the bolt back.
He's not take that out of his bag but from his pocket😂
Tbh that wouldn’t work tho because most doors don’t have a gap big enough
It's either some super unique and never-heard-of tool, or something as mundane as a shoe lace. There is no in-between for LPL
Well done Shane, only a few simple changes needed. Maybe you two should get in business together and develop a cost effective solution.
Underrated comment
Random UA-camr tries making a lock for the first time
Infinitely better than masterlock’s best
Took LPL 5-10 times longer than a MasterLock, based on video runtime for the average MasterLock vs this video runtime...
@@katanah3195true plus master lock has to make commercially viable locks at an affordable cost so people actually buy them.
What the masterlock apologists here miss is that the company has had 103 years to make something better and they don't even try.
Have you seen that guys channel? I’m convinced he could make an effective orbital entry vehicle with the scraps he has laying around his garage
😂
Weeks of hardcore engeneering = "Unpickable lock"
LPL: 5 sec
@ClemensAlive dich gibts noch? Halleluja
no, it's more like 25
@@ushiocheng ah yes but only because he’s explaining step by step
Alternatively... LPL: Okay, so I actually don't even need to pick this lock to get it open
He’s a professional lock pick speed runner, he deeply researches and creates his own strats
The difference with lockpickinglawyer giving Shane advice on the locks is Shane is probably one of the few people who will actually do something with that advice and improve on the design. Even if it takes Shane another several months making it.
Version 3 is already in the works!
@@adrianortiz3751 my money is on the lawyer though...
He will win this time
What's the over/under on how many attempts Shane needs until LPL can't get in? It's more than 2... I think it's less than 5.
No... Pacloc also learn from LpL and make improvements based on his feedback from what I've seen
Ok he dog bark with the door bell is just trolling.
XD
I'm sure that's what Stuff Made Here included
no it isnt. in Stuff made here's video, his dog kept barking when the doorbell was rung. LPL was recreating that when he rang the doorbell.
i dont think its trolling :D watch his video his dog keeps barking at the doorbell i think its just a joke about that :D
How Pavlovian
The coolest thing about this, is seeing two amazing UA-camrs doing something together.
SMH: "I believe it's unpickable. Let's send it."
LPL: "I'm going to use the tip of my knife"
that was embarrassing
Get a good carpenter to get the door as close as possible
@@conradsmith4195 well, then your door will be pickable in winter cuz wood contracts and expands with temprature and with different moisture levels as well.... so, a dry winter day is perfect to pick that lock
Sometimes just the tip is all you need :)
@@conradsmith4195 Surely it would be cheaper just to buy a decent lock 🤣🔒
Imagine someone breaking into your house THEN ringing the doorbell
"Being a criminal doesn't mean you can't be polite" - Me
at least he got the dog as a last resort
"Professionals have standards"
Dominance asserted.
@@Doug_Fany amazing comment
Stuff made here: I feel like he's gonna pull a tool out I've never seen before to open the lock.
Lock picking lawer: I'm gonna use a pocket knife...
if I ever find myself in the market for a pocket knife, I want whatever one LPL uses. thing seems to have more uses than a swiss army knife
I'm glad you finally got to see what a pocketknife looks like.
What an absolute Chad
@@jonathantadlock-stein2023 He's shared which knife it is in a couple "Slash-Proof" videos. Its this one www.offgridknives.com/blackmamba
"Here's the pocket knife Bosnian Bill and I made..."
It nice to see two dogs so far away from one another bonding. LOL
Great colab! A lot of fun to watch and very informative.
I can do you one better: the recording on the doorbell includes Shane's dog barking. 🤣
SMH: “unpickable lock”
LPL: “ok here’s 3 ways to pick it”
Insert "Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse" Dr. Octavio's "three, actually" meme here lol
if there were no gaps that SMH made then he would never go through it
just because it has those imperfect gaps he was able to unlock it
@@9xlives901 Yeah, but that's a common theme on this channel. "This would actually be pretty difficult to pick except if I stick a shim in the right place the lock just pops open."
Lmao
@@danieljensen2626 that's how lockpickers work, exploit any flaw.
Petition for LPL and SMH to make actual reliable locks an sell them as the world's best limited premium merchandise ever created
Endorsed by the LPL, (Hands with a bent wiper insert logo) needs to become a thing in your lock section.
Hopefully that's where this is going.
Then they’d have us pick it to get what is inside
if Locks are not affordable they use their purpose. (Houses still have Windows, Chains can be cut etc.)
It won't be because of how expensive it is and lack of mass production resources. Even if they did, there is no market for them because you could just get through the door itself. The only market would be for safes, and even then they use keyless mechanisms that are much cheaper. Just a gimmicky project for fun.
Shane:*spends a noticeable fraction of his life engineering a lock*
LPL: "click out of 1"
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Damn bots posting here , plz report em.
I reported them
@@hdezn26
EZ report...Get 'em outta here
This is a beautiful comment, it brought tears of joy to my eyes
This is what I always wanted modern engineering to work like: Do it in front of the target customers, have the "opposing/other" side pick up an engineers work as a challange, re-iterate in a friendly and fun competition and come up with a result, that is pretty close to an optimal solution. Please continue and put the result to production as a sellable product.
This is similar to how open source software works since about 40 years and amplyfies the potential of community-driven development.
Ah, and by the way, thanks for the videos, great stuff for entertainment :)
Shane: "These are unpickable"
LPL: "So i got a turning tool and a knife...."
After seeing how it was made and observing the keys to see the pin numbers. He literally had the blueprints... I would have liked to have seen him pick it without knowing that just like Shane sent it.
Well he is the MacGyver of lock picking so ya
NEWEST VERSION of lock exploited with wiper insert and pocket knife. R&D guys trash the lab and get drunk.
seems like the second one is truly unpickable.... LPL didnt mention any vulnerabilities once he showed the (expensive/machined) back plate... and besides with a proper installation and on a metal door, LPL wouldnt have been able to squeeze his tool in between the lock and door.
@@jonbar140 yeah and i would have also liked for him to try again with the back plate on... i dont like all the work around of squeezing through the door or having to weld the pins... obviously its a wooden door anybody could cut through it anyways... im very interested in LPLs thoughts of the 2nd one with the back plate in it now.
“This lock is unpick...”
LPL: “Click out of one”
😂
LOL
this really hurt my soul at min 7:00 :(
Lol 😂😂 best comment
Except LPL not using the cover SMH make:3
SMH: "ohno"
StuffMadeHere: Behold, the unpickable l-
LockPickingLawyer: Click out of one...
This is unpickable with no intel and prep. Good job to both of them.
@@deuxexmachimax If someone wants to break into your home, if they are professionals they always come prepared. They will look for the model and train it. Especially if the model gets purchased by more people.
this made me laugh so much!!
@@zzyxzz4160 not if the model is some weird beefy thing you bought of the black market
When you hear that line you knew the lock is pretty done for
Love the interaction you're having with the "Stuff Made Here" guy. It's intriguing to watch two smart people in a friendly rivalry.
The beauty is, it's no rivalry. He calls it a challenge but honestly they're both creating amazing content and promoting each other. This is a team effort, not a rivalry🙏🏼
In fact, too friendly a rivalry. Neither wanted to lose face. So they rigged the match so that neither would. This was like the Raiders showing the Steelers their playbook before the game. Doesn't happen this way in real life or in an interesting real life simulation. This was like a homeowner leaving the lock diagram by the front door with a note saying "Dear Thief. Lock diagram in envelope under the rug."
You are female, yes?@@jordynhedges9359
The funniest thing about this is SMH was worried that LPL had some obscure tool that would defeat his lock and then LPL pulled out his pocket knife and then for the other, a hammer.
This guy L.P.L is never lock out lol
@Eric Pereira he would use whatever is on the ground or that he had on him, god knows he could.
@Eric Pereira Simply go with the good ol' Redbull can exploit
It was already impressive enough that he didn't pull out a chip and open the lock with it
I found it a bit weird that SMH welded the door hinges,... knowing that the lock hole wasnt the only option. Yet left the whole backside of the lock wide open.
Me: Ahh yess. Rookie mistake. I can't believe he misclocked it by 45 degrees. What a loser.
Also me: struggles to make hot pockets.
This comment right here..... has some humor into it that made me laugh way longer than suppose to. 😂😂 you made my day!
Hot pockets are f’ing dangerous!!!
@@MyArmsAreHeavy dangerously delicious!
😂🤣😂🤣
By "make" you mean heat them up?
Try actually making them from scratch
LPL: Click on one
Shane: GG gamers
GG GN
F
I laughed so hard when he said that, I knew it was over hahahaha
Big bad : you are defeated, you have nothing left, surrender.
LPL: Click on one
*Protagonist music intensified*
Outswing doors are generally required to be mounted on closed hinges. The attacker should not have access to hinge pins unless the building is not up to code (or in a jurisdiction that is really neglecting dwelling security). Likewise, the deadbolt must never be accessible from the outside for the same reasons. Normally, outswing doors are seen in commercial spaces that by nature expect heavy traffic and are required to use them due to fire regulations, they use shielding on the outside of the door or a door with a lip that protects the entire swing side (also preferable in a residential area, since it allows for proper weather insulation). The mock door does not represent a door that should happen in a residential area.
Interesting - so would it not be pickable in that situation then?
@@kabirkumar5815 can't say whether it wouldn't be pickable at all, just not with this technique and tools. Perhaps using something significantly more elaborate.
Shane: welds the hinges so LPL cant just pop them.
Me thinking: “oh come on LPL wouldn’t be so petty”
LPL: “I would definitely have done that”
That's what I was thinking too!
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my thoughts exactly 🤣
Shouldn't count though since the pins would be inside the door in a normal configuration.
Pretty sure both are joking. If LPL had that for the entire video after so much hype between channels, nobody would be satisfied. It's one thing to show easily bypassed locks for a commercial product, but he knew he had to approach it honestly.
If we're very lucky, SMH will put in the ridiculous time custom machining takes for v.3 & v.4, and we might get a part 2, but I wouldn't count on it. SMH already succeeded in proof of concept, removing exploits and having LPL spending time trying to find new ways to pick or bypass it isn't nearly so enjoyable for either party (though I would be interested to hear what LPL would do if his suggestions were implemented)
"He welded the hinge pins on, probably to keep me from just knocking the pins and declaring victory. Which is definitely something I would have done" 🤣🤣
he knows LPL so well =)
The hinge pins and the bolt exploit are the reason why you want your security door to open into the secured area. First exploit on the second lock would have been much harder if the door-jam was in the way(though I am sure LPL has a special tool to make it easy).
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@@nobodyimportant2470 first exploit could have been fixed with an astragal...well apart from not having that design flaw to begin with.
Most exterior doors have to open outwards for fire safety reasons.
You can also get different kind of hinges if you want it to be more secure than NRP butt hinges.
When lpl says that the lock has the potential to be “formidable lock design” with easy changes then that is really high praise for a first time lock maker!
It's even better when you compare this lock to any commercial locks, which are mostly crap, but yet sold.
@Farb S watch the second video
@Farb S RFID locks might not be pickable, but they are hackable.
@@Sgt__Hawk Then again, most would-be burglars out there probably won't have the necessary equipment needed for that, so you shouldn't have to worry too much anyway.
Well second time lock maker
fun lock design and collaboration! After watching who knows how many of LPL videos I'm just more convinced that locks are there to keep decent people out. Any home break in in my area is brute force door kicked in or open patio doors, never once read about a picked lock entry, so really not concerned about that at all. That being said, I just ordered the Genesis set to play with my own locks, see how easy (I doubt it) it actually is to defeat them. Not that I'd expect a thief to spend the time when they can just kick in the door or take a saw to the wall anywhere and make their own door, most people live in wooden boxes here, sheet rock isn't gonna do much against a saw, LOL.
I don't know why I'm even watching all these videos, it's almost kind of a zen thing plus puzzle solving and some magic, no wonder he has 4+ million subs. So satisfying! And what a random and odd career!
You can tell by his voice how much he enjoys figuring out a new mechanism, instead of finding the same flaws over and over again
First and probably last time I'll say these words in this order: I hope this arms race continues.
Shane commented on here a few hours ago saying V3 is in the pipeline 🙂👏🏻
If it continues we'll get 1 of 2 conclusions:
1. A truly unpickable lock
Or
2. LPL really is the god of locks and security
@@ShadowLynx777 I mean he did say it took him almost a month to figure it out so in normal life I would say they are pretty unpickable but it’s still insane to see him get through these so easily once he figured it out.
@@mitchellwilliams2060
It did, but I think unpickable means can't be picked even by those that know how it works. Because if you have this lock and LPL comes back to your house a month later and just pops it open, then it's it still unpickable?
What other order would you say them in ?
*Rings doorbell*
"Might as well let them know we're here."
No key savage.
The barking dogs were a nice touch
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Dog barks after the doorbell is a nice touch
This is an unpickable loc-
"Click out of 5 , and here."
The moment LPL starts saying " Click out of 1, 2 is binding" shane would prob. be like "Ohh no!"
Gee, thanks for stealing my comment sherlock.
@@j.paradox7811 You're welcome :-)
DING DONG
@Dave DDM Problem is if they would become commercially available then all that information would be available to whom ever is trying to pick them.
Common locks: I just need a lockpick set
Unpickable lock: For this challenge, I need to expand my tools with knife and hammer.
"For this challenge, I will just use my handy firemans axe and go through the door." Brute force wins every time. (even though I appreciate that he used the hammer and knife to actually manipulate the lock, so i'll still consider his solution as "picking" the lock)
Big upgrade
@@cuffzter lock picking lawyer :picking lock of front door
Me with a “door basher” or whatever it’s called I got from a swat team: *sup* *bi###*
@@cuffzter that's how you get shot
@@TheStoicApe TBF if someone NOTICES you locking in somewhere you don't belong, that's also how you get shot. More like that's how you increase your changes you get noticed. Plus they do make relatively well reinforced doors, metal, etc. (Windows exist too haha)
LPL is basically the anime boss who says “how amusing...” when he’s challenged.
Plot twist, the anime boss actually won. gg
*Cue the pokemon battle theme*
omo shiroe
Oh? You're approaching me?
Seems like Kaido
Nothing like a little friendly competition to improve quality. Thanks to both you guys!! It was fun
You can still hear Shane's dog bark whenever the doorbell is rung.
I was thinking Shane added the bark sound to make his own dog bark in response
o7
@@havardmj I believe he recorded sound of his own door bell and it was impossible to keep the dog from barking in the background. Thus you can hear it on the recording that is played every time you push the button. A real door bell would be too big for the tiny door.
@@M_and_M_in_a_van that looks like a real door
I mean doorbell
I don't think he's ever said to a manufacturer "excellent work on these locks"
It's so easy to tell LPL absolutely loved this collaboration. He really loves this field, and seeing actually new talent in it must be incredible.
Part of the reason is probably, that when he gave feedback on how to make it better, then there were actual results.
@@tarksurmani6335 yeah I don't imagine many companies would fire up their cnc immediately and provide a solution like SMH did.
only this lock is a precision made 1000 dollar lock tbh xD unsellable lol
@@AntiSociety100 You would probably be surprised how many people/organizations would use a custom expensive lock.
Besides, it's only prohibitively expensive now because these are single run prototypes, with scale and mindful processes that would bring the cost down.
@@NoStereo Can't give you the example, but we have seen some lock companies comment here and address the problems, trying to fix them and also send LPL the new version. But they are rare.
Not every company is Master Lock.
I think the coolest thing about picking these, is that they still behave like working "off the shelf" locks when picked. Meaning Shane built seemingly reliable locks, that just happen to still be pickable(like all locks on LPL).
Whats up checkmark
I think his goal was to take tech we already had and just make it better instead of making a completely unique system.
Yeah
But Shane relied I think on alot of conventional wisdom regarding locks. And that's the issue. Lol knows lock history well. And how to defeat. Shane has to come up with a totally NEW beast.
Not all locks. There are locks (or a lock?) that LPL admitted he couldn't pick.
Your absolute willingness to cooperate with others and share your knowledge is definitely something I strive towards. Your manner of speech is absolutely clear without any manner of shame, which is very palatable. Iron sharpens iron. Others appear to be using you to sharpen themselves against. This is not a bad thing.
Just a shame hes doing it on the internet where any thief can see, and not in specialised locksmith groups like a responsible person
@@nuthinnew Increased cloistering and closing off of knowledge is a bad thing. If the open-source communities had been closed-source, due to cloistering, Linux would not be the powerhouse it is for devices large and small. And many other projects would never have grown and flourished as they have. The openness and not the cloistering is a positive thing.
@@killermist what happens when someone finds a backdoor in windows and makes that information public knowledge? it gets patched immediately. you cant do that with locks. If you have no idea of this channel, you wouldn't know to upgrade your bad lock. Lock picking for sport is a skill that takes time to get good at and can be fun to do at home. a challenge lock like this is exactly that, a challenge. bypasses require no skill and are no more enjoyable than turning a handle or pressing a button. teaching bypass methods to anyone including people with no good conscience is irresponsible.
@@killermist im a locksmith. If i went around showing everyone just how easy it is to get into some properties they'd throw me in prison
@@killermist to be clear i have no problems with locksport as a hobby as most burglaries are the result of people forcing their way through a door or window. But when some locks can be opened by sliding a specialised tool somewhere and turning it, some burglar is going to try that as a quiet alternative. they dont pick locks, it takes too long
"Which is probably the most expensive solition but certainly one that works."
I see... So you're new to the channel.
Lol nice
Now I want to know if he still can pick it with this expensive solution!
@@sngaulin same!
Yes where do we start xD
@@sngaulin he did in the video, the knife thing.
You know it’s a decent lock because he isn’t actively insulting it.
And the Video ist 10 minutes long lol
Yeah AND it's a 10 minute video. Are any other LPL videos over 5 minutes long?
Probably wouldn't even if it was shit. SMH made this lock and insulting the lock would just be rude.If this was a lock he bought from a big company he would probably insult the overlook that the lock isnt held tight when turning the lock 45 degrees.
@@gulgaffel You know, I think you’re right. SMH was making a good faith effort to engineer an unpickable lock while the bulk of locks on LPL’s channel are manufactured by large corporations that are falsely marketing them as secure or high-end. That would mean that LPL would be more constructive with his critiques so that the design could be improved.
@@jwmmitch I mean.... He did show more then 1 way of doing it. and 2 mins at the start were him explaining about the lock.
This is good stuff because LPL's knowledge and criticism can help Shane advance lock design so we may actually see Shane make a lock that is much more difficult to pick.
It seems that LPL is loving the challenge that Stuff Made Here is attempting. These to channels are great to watch, and the collab between em is even better.
I honestly think there are no such thing as an ¨unpickable lock¨ If it can be opened in a legit fashion, the condition can be reproduced with shady tricks and wits
@@TheMrffwinner if a lock can be opened, it can by definition be picked. Even if it's done by a brute force attempt of making&trying keys until one works.
The whole point of (unpickable) locks is to make it too troublesome to attack. And, in the process, make sure that the lock itself is not the weakest link.
@@TheMrffwinner Thousands of years of security design and implementation has taught us 1 thing for sure, no security device or method will ever be unbeatable.
@@TheMrffwinner agreed
I'm just here enjoying the beautiful CAD printouts of the lock internals.
Quite good is probably the best compliment he has ever given to a lock.
Particularly considering that Stuff Made Here isn't a locksmith
Has to be up there with the attempted bowley pick.
@I love you but Innovative design is a notable achievement in it's own right. You shouldn't be so dismissive of that just because it doesn't require an undergraduates degree in fluid dynamics.
There are 3 locks with a crazy keyhole zigzag, which LPL was never able to pick.
Shane: *designs a highly intricate anti-pick mechanism*
LPL: Yeah, so I just slid the pick through the back
Shane: wait that's illegal
Hahaha
I funny
It says more about how reality works.
Don't pick an unpickable lock, just find an easier way around.
You could fix that relatively easy by having part of the back go into the actual door, along with most of the problems
@@deprivedoftrance ikr, why pick a unpickable lock when u could just smash the window, or get a axe
Stuff made here: "I made an unpickable lock"
LPL: "So anyways I used a knife to pick this lock"
He didn't actually pick the lock. What that was was now a vulnerability in the lock, but in the door itself. Actual door has a flange that makes the locking lug unaccessible.
Also, the other attack that involved sliding the tensioning tool betweek the lock and the door could have been easily avoided by mounting the lock deeper in the door, not on top of the surface of the door.
I think it would be a little more bittersweet if he used a butter knife.
@@kardRatzinger accurate
@@kardRatzinger You are probably right but I think LPL demonstrates very well why focusing on a single aspect is problematic.
@@OriginalMrE Butter-Sweet?
I watched the vid of him making these locks just before this video. 🤣 this is so great! Thanks guys!
Shane: spends months engineering unpickable lock
LPL: H A M M E R T I M E
Very precious hammer location and knowledge though. Not just whacking it on the side :)
"As you can see, the ramset claims another victory."
@@1992jamo Ramset is damn near cheating
@@1992jamo so does a fire axe or a hummer driving into the front wall
SMH: watch him pull out some tool I've never heard of that magically opens my...
LPL: a pointy pocket knife
This was beautiful, thank you both!
That knife has defeated more security devices than most locksmiths.
At least it's not a used straw
LPL: "These locks are fairly good."
Me: "oh shi"
For real that made me think of top 3 hardest locks
@@htgoku with a little back and forth between LPL and Stuff Made Here, the second lock could become unpickable by anything less than a special made tool.
@@richardmazkin9994 oh yeah but I’m it’s current stage I say top 3 lockpick
@@richardmazkin9994 Yeah like ... a key =D
now THIS is an avengers level threat
Love it. Both of you are so great.. I love that Shane and LPL have dogs barking at the doorbell..
i would love to see this back and forth continue so the designs could evolve. shane is terrifyingly good at improving iterations of designs and he admitted that his biggest weakness was not knowing a lot about picking methods. if he corrected for each weakness you found every time you provided feedback, i'm certain he could eventually achieve his goal of unpickable
And if they go through this design process i want one of the locks they create
That same logic applies to pretty much any lock manufacturer, all they have to do is listen to feedback from people like lpl. They just don't, that and of course affordability has to be achieved.
@@towtruckaj affordability will be the biggest thing, in the end, you'll end up with a 500 dollar lock that anyone who really wants to get into will be able to just drill into anyway.
yeah and then if feasible they team up and produce and sell those locks
@@richman117 If these kinds of locks were sellable they'd have been commonplace already.
Locks can be so easily picked by lpl not because the designs are bad, but because the difficulty of picking the lock is supposed to be on par with the difficulty of breaking the lock.
It's not too hard to make an unpickable lock, give a decent team a year and they'll manage it, it's just that there's no point in making it so much more expensive for unpickability unless you're going to also make it, and the door it's attached to, out of a nigh-indestructible material.
SMH - "I spent months designing and building this unpickable lo.."
LPL: - "It's open"
Took a month and would take luch longer if he didnt get schematics/blueprint he would have to break it down to research enough to hypothesis how to pick it
@@meh6513 yeah but if it was an actual lock lpl could just buy the lock and find out how it works...
SMH: - smh 🤦🏼♂️
Ding dooong
@Growth Mindset no u
Shane: “i think i made an unpickable lock?”🔐
LPL: “i got a click from 1..little click from 2 “
Everyone was commenting this on the last video, but he actually did it. Now, he didn't show if it's still pickable with the backplate on.
@@John3_17-21 he said it stops that exploit, I think that's enough.
The other way of opening the lock still works with just the backplate though
Every fucking time
@@thijsbeentjes4008 it only stops one of the two as the first option requires a lock piece to be redesigned. So it's still possible to pick
@@wilihelm2242 that's literally what I said
Great work Shane, after watching a ton of videos here is 1 that would be secure to any normal attack. Fix the walking bolt (i worked that trick in the 50s) and either would work. Let us not forget, modern attacks can be extremely destrucive.