I had two of these on the doors to my childhood home. One of them seized up for no apparent reason, halfway unlocked, and we had to have it repaired. Now I know why!
In the other video about making your own, someone commented that if your key gets worn down from normal use, you can wind up triggering the trap by using your own key.
My dad booby-trapped his own lock at university - adding an extra hole and pin that would drop down when the cylinder was rotated. This was done because he knew that someone else had obtained a copy of a staff member's master key and was going into rooms. True to form, he set it up and went to class, and when he returned the other guy's key was right there in the lock.
Major question: if it cannot be opened with the key after a botched attempt to pick it, what does the lock's legitimate owner do to get into his own property? If he has to call in an expert or replace the lock, then this means that villains might maliciously pick the lock not as an attempt to gain entry to the property, but just to inconvenience the owner.
This does raise a valid concern. I suppose the property owner would need to weigh the possibility of inconvenience against locking out a would-be thief. Most criminals would not be able to identify this key system as being "trollable" just by looking at it, so odds are that if it ever does seize up, it prevented a criminal picking attempt.
@@SpaghettiViking1 You say that people wouldn't be able to identify the lock as "trollable," but there are now 300k+ views on this video within days. The knowledge is clearly spreading fast. Edit: To clarify my earlier statement for the 5 people already telling me I'm wrong, the 300k+ was within a couple days. Now, it's above 400k. While it's nowhere near the population of the world, the probability increases as time goes by. While others have pointed out that the lock is old and not being sold, you can clearly still find it, and other locks based on this design can have the same problem. As others have mentioned, there are easier ways to brick a lock than to try to pick it and fail, and I think that's the best answer to my stupidity here. The probability of criminals watching this channel is... well, higher than average I'd say. The probability that someone with criminal intent watched this video and then stumbled upon one of these locks is low, but constantly increasing with the view count. The chance of them actually bricking a lock like this is almost zero simply because it isn't worth it. So thank you to everyone who pointed this out, it certainly improved my knowledge! 😉
yep but if i remember correctly as well you have to dismount the whole lock to do so, so you have to have a backdoor or at least another access to your house without that system installed. It is still good to protect the door(s) of your house that are the most exposed to picking attempts, and could seriously delay thieves and completely discourage some of them.
it's impractical. you only get one shot at picking it if you lose your keys, then you have to buy another expensive lock to replace the one that had to be destroyed in order for you to get inside your house.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 Whenever I've lost my keys my neighbours/flatmates/family have always had a spare set. I haven't had to pick my way into my house in decades.
That’s the lock my grandfather had on his doors. His neighbors had broken in a few times, then these locks came into play and kept that house safe for 60 years. Seeing those keys gave me goosebumps!
BS 99% of break and enter is via force, esp way back then pickproof was merely a selling point or a lazy way of fixing poor tolerances in manufacturing.
@@doc6678 yes true for drilling but made mention as it had anti-drill measures built in, peeling rose off and twisting cylinder was most common brute force back then.
@@panzerveps That is at least partially true, if you could remove the cylinder then you could pop out the springs and reset it. That would of course require gaining access by other means. You can see the lid over the springs at 1:35.
Without these videos the general public would have no way to appreciate the quality of these locks. Customers probably just avoided them because of the higher price, being ignorant of the lock's advantages.
- And any lock can have a row of trap holes drilled into the barrel, and a set of t-pins and wafers inserted. (Every Locksmith could include it as a service. Make that standard C4 Pin Tumbler lock "Unrakeable".
This is the first time I have seen this type of hollow pins in a lock before. I was a Locksmith for about 16 years and I have never seen or heard about this before. Thanks for the info. I am still learning about the many different locks out there.
I worked at an old government facility which was built in the early 50's for a while and all the locks there were this system. They had two locksmiths on staff and rotated locks regularly. I remember the huge key rings full of keys we all carried fondly.
@@toukaken4231. Well I wasn't around when the building was constructed if that's what your asking lol. My Grandfather was one of many who worked to build the place, I just worked there for a few year till the Government shut the old place down.
This would be one of the situations this lock would have been designed for. You would want to know if someone tried breaking in to a government installation.
What kind of facility was it? Something interesting/secret, or did they just have the security level I would expect of any government facility? I think after 60 years it is ok to tell :)
Imagine if the position of the traps were random. It would be quite unpickable, right? You wouldn't know which pins needed to be pushed twice and there would be a great risk of simply destroying the lock.
That would actually make sense. Even though the design is known, if you need to guess 3 out of 6 it would make it a one out of 20 chance. A 5% chance is too low for a criminal.
You could feel for the additional shear lines when picking and figure out which positions have trap pins before ever attempting to turn the cylinder, so while it would complicate matters significantly, it's still a feasible attack. Now, with a thick enough wafer, you could have the hollow ground into the wafer rather than in the driver pin (at this point it'd be more like a middle driver pin of a master keyed lock), so basically the second shear line becomes the trap instead. And then you could randomly mix and match between the two. Six pins all with one safe and one trapped shear line, with a 50/50 shot at which is which... and not that much more complicated to machine, though assembly would be more involved. Bonus points for the fact that it would feel like a proper master keyed lock to all but the most careful pickers. I am sure someone could learn to feel the difference in the pin surface that's biting or something, or that I have missed some obvious bypass, and this certainly weakens the lock to destructive attacks trying to turn the core, but still.
Maybe it's actually better if it's manufactured consistently this way. This lock can only be picked if you know the trick, but even if you know the trick you'll only double check 3, 4 & 5. This leaves the lock owner the possibility to modify your lock by adding a fourth trap pin, to trick the people who *thought* they knew the trick. But then again, if you are capable of doing that you could just as well modify any other lock to get the same effect.
On the other hand, I bet the cold war CIA was in love with this thing on the solidly-constructed, metal-framed, five-hour fireproof doors protecting our finest government secrets.
Best thing about this pick is how clearly you can hear the pins being set. This makes it even easier to follow your picking, especially for us novice pickers
"the key to defeating it is to set 2, 3, and 4 to the second shear line" me: hmm, yes, ofcourse. Naturally that is what you would do. "it will make more sense when i do it" me: oh thank goodness.
It will never not blow my mind that this man is living an amazing life... just by making these types of videos. I love every single one of them, and I'm super happy he's able to do this.
A friend has one of these locks and I was sure I could duplicate what I saw here. At first, the lock was stubborn and offered several false sets. After several attempts and some time later, I realized I needed to change tool (it happens). Sure enough, changing technique (and tool), got it open on first attempt. Just proves that including the key in your pick set, came be very handy.
@@Zack-zz7sk It was a comment about how back when this lock was made, if they said "high security" it actually was - this lock has some decent security features. But today they write "high security" on the worst locks so it doesn't mean anything anymore.
@@Zack-zz7sk he means that back then it wasn't just a joke for high security locks. They didn't put high security on every lock until it was fully tested. Some of today's high security locks are the worst locks ever and are easy as all hell to pick open.
As a regular viewer who doesn't do locksport himself, what most impressed me about this lock is it's packaging. More accurately, the claims that sound impressive yet are honest and correct (as far as I know). It's "as burglar proof a combination as a lock can be" rather than the oft-disproven "unpickable".
That's truth in advertising -- the rarest of rare things. Reminds me of a brand of tires sold in Canada: OK Tires. They're probably just OK, and proud of it :)
You might not be able to inset both the end for the trap and the circumference for the spool (since you'd be milling both into the same inner volume), but I see no reason why you couldn't mill trap holes for all six pins and use a combination of hollow pins + wafers that interact with the trap, and spool pins that resemble the former.
@@mwalton9526 if the trap pins were random and every pin was serrated with a couple spools. This thing would be almost as good as the Abloy Protec2. Probably more pick resistant than the MT5+.
Me, who can't even remember the 3 number code to open a padlock regularly: ah yes, set the pin stacks on slots 2,3 and 4 to the second sheer line, of course
This is from the 60s ... How is it that locks have devolved in that time? Anti-picking apparently used to mean something, now it's just a buzzword for shitty locks to use
@starshipeleven yeah but your argument falls apart when you consider that this had a hardened ring and a hardened insert specifically to prevent drilling.
this lock is horribly impractical. you only have one shot at picking it before you have to destroy the lock and/or door to get in. if someone else tries to pick your lock, you're replacing the lock and/or door. you lose your key or forget it inside, you're replacing the lock and/or door. see the problem?
As I understand what he said in the one video correctly his camera is not that good but a mediocre camera can act like a really good camera if you have a good lighting. he's probably spent a couple hundred dollars on lighting. And if my knowledge of how a camera focuses on something with good enough lighting and the correct lens on your camera you may not need to change the focus at all
Well it does say "Hines Key-System" in giant letters stamped into the brass on the front of the lock, so maybe he just has good eye sight to see that from 10' away.
@@johnconway3557 Only if it's wired wrong, in which case it bursts into flames due to the lack of noalox or some similar brand that prevents aluminum wire from oxidizing and essentially turning into a great big resistor.
@@smilysht238 Meanwhile I'm here watching this with ideas for any lockpick-proficient characters I have. And maybe making a note for my worldbuilding in case I some day find the time for DMing...
@@GanonTEK not really. You won't set the trap off until you start turning the cylinder. So until you do - you still have a chance to reset everything and start over.
Thanks for the quality content mate. I appreciate your get into it mentality, rather than droning on for 5 minutes before anything happens. Just a genuine thank you for your time to make your content. Cheers to you.
Good to see a piece of old school lock action. I was taking in work about your channel - much to the incredulity of many of my colleagues. I just assured them that the LockPickingLawyer produces the best videos on lock security and that the content was excellent. That did the trick :-) Tony (Bristol, UK)
I can really dig people like our man here; he makes it look effortless which i very much doubt it is and he comes across like a decent, humble chap. Dare I say genius? Thanks for the great videos and for sharing your knowledge.
@@davescomputercorner6015 just saying. Why do u feel the need when it was a year ago. When it was a more popular meme. Ur criticism is lost on me so shut up
This lock illustrates the conundrum that lock manufacturers face: Making a lock that provides enough security without being a major inconvenience for the owner (including the expense of paying for a lockout. All of this against the need to make as much money as you can from each unit sold.
If the owner finds another door to enter the house, he won´t need to pay for the lockout, and can at least replace the jammed core by himself, once in his house. Also, the expence of paying for a lockout is the only inconvenience, you make it sound much worse by mentioning it twice ;-) And the hollow-pins/waffers surely cost next to nothing, since for LPL, upgrading such a lock with hollow-pins/waffers costed him just 1$, and he isn´t a company, that could buy a ton of those for cheap.
Mix up the location of the hollow pins, add 1 or 2 serrated pins to the other locations and this would still be a formidable opponent even if you recognised it.
Hi! My friend has a lock like this on his door. After locking himself out, he wondered if i could help him get back in. The lock, a GTV brand anti pick lock, has 6 pins, 2, 3, 4 &5 all trap pins. After finding that, i decided not to try & we instead had the landlord get a master key
I have been intrigued by lock smithing my entire life. But I became a master mechanic and kept licks as a hobby. I love your posts. I learn so much. Thank you very much.
As always a beautifully done video with excellent narration. It's absolutely wonderful to see all the Innovation over the years and a lot of times just the beautiful Machining of the locks and the tools to pick them
If the trap pins were random and every pin was serrated with a couple spools. This thing would be almost as good as the Abloy Protec2. Probably more pick resistant than the MT5+.
One option would be to (in some cases) hollow out the wafer, not the driver pin. That way, you would have to only pick that pin to the first shear line, and picking to the second would set the trap. Even knowing the type of lock would then be little use, unless you could feel the difference between hollow driver and hollow wafer, as either could have been used in each position.
Greetings from Ireland, every time i watch your videos, it just mesmerisies me,incredible skill would be an understatement ,you are without doubt, one of the best in the business, huge fan.
I just had a great idea for how to make this basic idea into a near unpickable lock, even if you know the trick. You could have split pins in every position, but which half has the trap is random. Every pin would have two detectable solved states, but you couldn't test for which on is the right one without turning the cylinder and possibly seizing up the lock. There would be 64 possible combinations and you only get one attempt, so a 1.56% chance to get it right, even if you know what you're working with. For added security you could split the pins into even more parts. 3 sections on every pin would give you 729 possible combinations (0.14% chance).
I could agree. I believe I see where you are going with this and I am curious what other knowledgable people (LPL I am looking at you: wink, wink, nudge, nudge, need I say more?) might say.
I love this channel. Because I was curious and somewhat understood the mechanics .. I learned to pick crappy pad locks (purely as an exercise) at a fairly young age with those large copper staples from old school produce boxes .. Not quickly mind you, but usually within three or four minutes, lol. Never something I cared to master as you did, but it's come in handy once or twice the last 30 years .. The boss man couldn't find the key to his office secured with a $3 lock once. But I digress. What I find ironic though , is that people are worried about lock cylinder quality on doors that an angry child could simply bust through in a tantrum. Or a person with more nefarious intents could simply prize open with a bar. (recollections of forgetting my work keys one Sunday, an hour commute - and simply popping the hinge pins rather than doing the round trip. Locks are illusions.
LMAO watch his series on the bowley locks which he hasnt picked yet......... no videos of him picking it succesfully. there is a person who has picked the lock but i dont know whether LPL has actually taken heed to that video suggestion
I am new here and it did not take long for me to realize that this whole channel is basically whining about locks because they can be bypassed, maybe he should make his own lock since he knows so much about what makes a lock good 😄
I've yet to actually pick a lock other than stupid office storage, but I love these videos and learn something every time. This guy makes me want to try this stuff out for myself.
@LockPickingLawyer I have been browsing your videos on and off for a while now... Just woke and sat and watched thsi one and WOW! What a beautiful piece of Engineering... I have absolutely NO DAMN IDEA how to pick a lock... and barely a cursory idea of how a lock works... But I do admire technical things like this. And seeing how it works - Even though I have no idea exactly (I kind of get it... The Groves and Wafers.. I understand that! But I still don't actually understand how a Key Works!!! LMAO!) - Just FASCINATING! And Now I have ended up Subscribing as the channel is just FASCINATING!
All these comments mentioning that this has better security than today's locks fail to address the point that this comes at a considerable cost of also locking the owner out when someone else attempts to pick this lock.
A small price to pay for safety. If they made it, they could easily make something that comes with the lock to disable the seizing. However, there would be a bit of security lost.
@@tymoteuszkazubski2755 I'm not an expert on the topic, but I think most burglars break into houses when the owners aren't home. Thus, no benefit to an ability to reset from inside.
Probably not the right lock for your front door, but if you're a business and want stuff in your records room (or a store room) to stay there no matter what, this feature wouldn't be an issue. The cost of replacing the door probably would be much less than what the room's content was worth. 20 years ago I worked with high-level cryptographic keystore cards for servers. Those were very expensive (we're talking 5-digit prices) and couldn't be transported by plane because the elevated radiation up there triggered their self-destruct mechanism. You could configure them to self-destruct when losing power without being shut down properly (with password) first. They had light (visible, ir and uv) sensors inside their casing, etc. And their self-destruct actually fried the silicon, not just erased the data. Those were used by credit card processors---they just could not afford their private signing keys to be stolen. Re-buying the hardware and creating a new key was a small price to pay for them.
Ive seen that type of plug before. But did not know what the little dimples on the side were for. That also explains why the person who taught me over 20 years ago. The plug got stuck. Thx for clearing up that mystery for me.
Something worth considering is since this lock was manufactured in the 1960s, there wouldn’t have been a lot of knowledge distributed at the time about how to pick this lock. Even if you were into picking locks back then, books relating to lock-picking would have been rare (if available at all), so this lock probably was ‘jimmy-proof’!
It was mostly because he had to be very sure pins 2,3, and 4 were set to the right sheer line. If he didn't do that, and turned the lock, the core would have bound up on those hollow pins and he would have had to pop the top off the lock to get it to move again. Trapping pins like this is a great way to make an average lock into a very pick-resistant lock.
Ah the SECOND shear line! I have no clue what any of this means but I still find these videos highly watchable. I think simply having a desire to learn is sometimes enough to keep me interested
@@BIGMEME_Retro.trance Have you got a link, I couldn't find LPL's video. Here is Bosnian Bill's video on them though: ua-cam.com/video/Les6QZ6jZWk/v-deo.html
@@bleepbloopblahp I dont think he has made one for that kind of model. He made one for a speed dial but its different. Heres the link. ua-cam.com/video/xFgCaX1DIRg/v-deo.html
Now you're beginning to understand that most house locks are basically "security by obscurity". Locks mostly work because the vast majority of thieves have neither the time nor the skills to pick a lock.. This is also why high security locks exist. The contents of the building behind said locks tend to be targeted by people who have the time, skills and interest to get through them.
@@The_Ballo , is there some federal law in the USA, which requires all the apartment doors to open inside? Is that some security thing that the authorities can always kick your door open? Here in Finland all the apartment doors open outside, so you cannot kick a single door open...
@@welxxonyoutube4487 - I don't know if its a Fed Law. It makes sense when opening a door without a window as people are passing to prevent them getting hit by a door. However I get what You mean. Houses/Apartment doors that swing-out by NYS Municipalities (as far as I know) have security pins for outside hinges or bolts anchored on door frame to prevent doors from being lifted off the hinges. But not everybody follows that law.
So if a company was to adopt this set up again but with all their locks but this time always put the traps in random locations (instead of just 2, 3, and 4) would that work better?
In traditional mass production it might be an issue, its not economical to produce all possible permutations. With modern cnc machining it is feasible but it would be very expensive to setup a production line like that. You would either produce different permutations in batches and mix them up or even better dynamically reprogram. There are 64 possible combinations so the batch system might be more efficient.
If the keyway isn't recognizable, yes. That way lock pickers would have to always, with every lock and every pin, check if there are multiple shear lines. If it's recognizable, you'd just push every pin to the second shear line for those locks. If you would be smart, you'd just turn around the order of hollow-pin and the insert, so that with some pins you engage the trap with the first line, and some pins with the second one. I imagine that would be rather expensive to manufacture, and would be too much effort for most lock-makers, sadly.
@@nBoxes I don't actually think that would be a problem. Consider that you could machine the groves into the lines of all six holes but only put hollow pins in three at random. This would allow ease of manufacturing while also allowing the end user to re-pin if they wished by simply moving the hollow pins to different positions.
@@MagzGTV That would work too but you might be able to tell if there is a hollow pin or not. If you do it the other way around (groves at some pins, and hollow pins everywhere or at random I think you would have to guess)
LPL points out the main weakness is that it's one-of-a-kind. Doesn't this imply that the world could be made a lot more pickproof if most locks copied Segal's design, but added variation as to which of the pins have traps instead of 2,3,4?
I think that would just mean people would get used to feeling for double setting pins to ensure they miss the trap. which would stop it from being useful.
I think that even a single trap-pin out of 6, in a random position, would raise the security a ton. Combined with serrated pins for the remaining 5. The serrated pins would lead to the belief that you´ve already picked the trap-pin correctly, thereby getting it more false than correct most of the time.
I've had a thought about an anti pick lock. The key has 5 pins, but the lock has 6. One of the pins in any of the positions, would be a switch. Which when pushed up by a picker. Would just lock the cylinder. Only a special magnetic key could then unlock the cylinder.
the weakness seems somewhat of an easy thing to fix. You could just swap the order of the hollow pin and the solid pin (which, in this case, is a single wafer).
Fairly, as you never picked any lock that you didn't know you could do, or had a special 'master key' for, you would have fallen for the 'trap' even if you are now disassembling this 1960s lock. But given any amount of time, you can just disassemble it then.
After watching LPL for a while, I no longer put my wallet, keys, and phone in a gym locker. I just put street clothes, food I bought, shower stuff in the locker, and put the stuff I can't easily replace in a small satchel I loop over my shoulder. LPL made me paranoid 😋
Now that we know what is inside, is it possible to get a shim over the hollow pin traps? I absolutely love the sound of pins setting. Not sure what it is about that sound but it’s music to my ears. I was forced into retirement in 2012. I watched videos from you and Bosnian Bill, got a Petersen gem and made my turning tools. I will never forget how the first pin set felt or sounded. You guys really helped me through some really tough times and took my mind off of the pain that had me confined to a comfy recliner or bed. Long story short version: broke my back T5&T7 vertebrae in 1995, went back to work, rear ended in MVA Nov 2011, went back to work, heart attack Feb 27 2012, heart surgery in April 2012, went back to work in Aug 2012, 2 weeks later I fell at work and broke my back a second time and that put me down for the count. And I feel sorry for anyone who tells me there is no GOD. I saw him twice the night I died and HE told me it wasn’t my time to go. But through all that pain I looked at locks and realized they were nothing but order puzzles. Some with do not pass go do not collect $200 features. This inspired me to build and use some of my own locks. Made friends with a locksmith or two along the way who told me I made a medeco look like a master lock. I want to say thank you for getting me through some tough times. Rest assured I have never or will never pick a lock that doesn’t belong to me and only use the information in these videos for entertainment and pain distracting activity. I always enjoy your videos!
So, if you get home and your key won't open your door, it might not necessarily be that your wife has changed the locks, it may just be that someone unsuccessfully picked your lock.
As soon as LPL did not start the video by directing people to his store and pushing his products, I realized this must be an older video. I didn't realize that I had watched it four years ago and even commented then. It was still worth another watch.
"Plug spinner?" You can't just throw that out there without telling us what it is and how you were able to fail nine times and not damage the lock. Please do a follow up!
A plug spinner is not a picking or bypass device. It is a simple tool that uses a spring under tension to spin the plug very fast. It is not frequently discussed on these type of channels because these YTers pick lock cylinders that are not actually attached to a real lock (except padlocks). When these lock cylinders are installed in the full locks, say a deadbolt, lever handle or exit device, there can be certain restrictions on which way the plug turns to unlock the lock. For example, you may need to turn the key left to retract the bolt on the deadbolt in your front door. Turning the key to the right it will simply come to a solid stop. If I were to picked your deadbolt, due to manufacturing tolerances, it may pick very easily to the right. However this won’t allow me to unlock the lock even though the cylinder is picked. So once the cylinder is picked in the wrong direction we wind up a plug spinner and it will spin the plug so quickly in the opposite direction that the pins don’t have a chance to drop back down and lock up. So even though we picked it right, we spin the plug left and open the deadbolt. He should mention which plug spinner he used and demonstrate the claimed 9/10 failure rate. I dispute that. Those look like standard replacement LAB springs in the tear down, there is little chance they can overcome the force of a plug spinner. I suspect he is either improperly winding the plug spinner so it’s under light tension, only stopping near the trap grooves. Or he’s got a bad plug spinner (it’s not a tool very useful to lock sport enthusiasts).
@@833psz you have a talent of explaining things in such a way a rookie like me can still understand. The time you took to answer this is much appreciated!
The 9 fails would have destroyed the lock if it was mounted in a door but he's got access to that flat brass piece on the top of the lock called a "cover" remove the cover and that let's tensions off the springs and the pins in turn and u can untrap the lock but impossible in door maybe short of cutting the lock out of the door with a saw
Beautifully clever and well made. Nowadays the locks seems more a battle of marketing than a battle of conception, except for some of course. indeed the time you needed for picking this one is a proof in hisself.
So essentially, a master locksmith is the only one getting in unauthorized. You need the tools but more importantly the knowledge to identify the lock. Good enough for me.
Nah, only non-destructively though. If you look at the strike it appears to mount to the door trim. It wouldn't take a hard push to rip the strike plate free unless it is mounted to a steel frame.
Question: Toward the end of the video you talk about using the plug spinner with a 10% success rate. Given this seems like a fairly pricey, collectible vintage lock, I can’t imagine LPL being or even having 10-11 of these locks and would be willing to seize 10 of them just to find that info out, so I’m assuming he performed on the same lock 10-11 times. I don’t quite understand how the core could be removed if it was in its seized state, wouldn’t that prevent you from removing the core? And if not, how is it done? Another thought, how “hollow” are the pins? It’s hard to tell in the video Does it compromise the structural integrity of the pin? If you did fall into the trap and seize the lock how feasible would brute force turning on the core be, and even if it did damage the pins would it damage them in a way that the lock would fail open or would they just end up seizing it worse?
As long as tolerances are tight, you wouldn't be able to deform the pin and turn the cylinder, you would have to sheer the pin. If the pin is harder than the cylinder, you would have to deform the cylinder to get movement, a difficult prospect given the cylinder is round and encased in hardened steel. At that point, the required deformation becomes required compression.
I do not actually know the answer and had the same question myself. My guess is that, if the lock is free standing and not mounted into a door, you will be able to hit it on a table while trying to turn the barrel to it's initial position. Hit it sufficiently hard that the springs of 2, 3 and 4 compress by a distance longer than the depth of the milled "trap points" and you will have it! You will have reset the lock.
Man your audio set up is good. When you were first going through setting up the second through fourth pins, the second click on three didn't sound just right, like "wait, huh?"....and then you caught it slipping. Like I'm impressed, I'm a half deft aviation mechanic who's only used to listening for binding and engagement sounds on landing gear and flight controls. I probably would not have picked up on it if it wasn't for how quiet your soundbooth is, the quality of your mics and the fact that you keep your speech short and precise. P.S. been using you as a source for coworkers-friends-family who are asking about home security locks and such considering current social-unrest.
since he has access to the entire lock, probably not that nervous. it's a bit different when you only have access to the keyway and can't just take it apart and reset it.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 Considering the assembly, I have a hunch the security pins would lock the barrel up, and make it impossible to be taken apart entirely.
Even though it is a old lock with great resistance to being picked, you would have thought that it would have evolved into a better designed lock that’s has a greater resistance to being picked. Thanks for showing us your videos, great fun to watch..
It is a FAILED design bcuz the heightened security against a lock picker comes at the expense of the home owner who is also locked out & leaves open the avenue of malicious mischief that sees a home owner having to call a locksmith/carpenter to gain entry to their own house anytime someone who doesn't like them messes with their locks... that is the reason he said this lock is from the 60's & not the 2020's
one time, i visited this house which had 5 locks on it, it was a friends house so i asked him why. he said “So if any lockpickers come about, they have to do it 5 times”
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The fact that it took him a minute and 24 seconds to pick this lock made in the 60’s has to be a huge compliment to its creator.
And he only knew how to because he knew the specifics of this lock.
Well, no matter how secure a key is, if its mass produced, and in this case the brand is clearly shown, then the security is nulled
But still, an old lock taking him about 3x as long as modern "anti-picking locks" is a significant acheivement.
@@sengelhard2982 not knowing he would still pick it. Probably would take him double the time.
As he said in other videos, new locks take time, but once you learn the series it can be quite quick.
I had two of these on the doors to my childhood home. One of them seized up for no apparent reason, halfway unlocked, and we had to have it repaired. Now I know why!
Locksmiths 1, burglars 0.
@@IudiciumInfernalum Could also be children 0.
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*realization* 0.0
In the other video about making your own, someone commented that if your key gets worn down from normal use, you can wind up triggering the trap by using your own key.
@@Amaroq64 If the wafer pin is tick enough, a worn out key should stop working long before the trap is triggered.
My dad booby-trapped his own lock at university - adding an extra hole and pin that would drop down when the cylinder was rotated. This was done because he knew that someone else had obtained a copy of a staff member's master key and was going into rooms. True to form, he set it up and went to class, and when he returned the other guy's key was right there in the lock.
Woah
So your dad got a free master key? Nice.
Major question: if it cannot be opened with the key after a botched attempt to pick it, what does the lock's legitimate owner do to get into his own property? If he has to call in an expert or replace the lock, then this means that villains might maliciously pick the lock not as an attempt to gain entry to the property, but just to inconvenience the owner.
This does raise a valid concern. I suppose the property owner would need to weigh the possibility of inconvenience against locking out a would-be thief.
Most criminals would not be able to identify this key system as being "trollable" just by looking at it, so odds are that if it ever does seize up, it prevented a criminal picking attempt.
The man himself blesses us with his divine intellect.
@@SpaghettiViking1 You say that people wouldn't be able to identify the lock as "trollable," but there are now 300k+ views on this video within days. The knowledge is clearly spreading fast.
Edit: To clarify my earlier statement for the 5 people already telling me I'm wrong, the 300k+ was within a couple days. Now, it's above 400k. While it's nowhere near the population of the world, the probability increases as time goes by. While others have pointed out that the lock is old and not being sold, you can clearly still find it, and other locks based on this design can have the same problem.
As others have mentioned, there are easier ways to brick a lock than to try to pick it and fail, and I think that's the best answer to my stupidity here. The probability of criminals watching this channel is... well, higher than average I'd say. The probability that someone with criminal intent watched this video and then stumbled upon one of these locks is low, but constantly increasing with the view count. The chance of them actually bricking a lock like this is almost zero simply because it isn't worth it. So thank you to everyone who pointed this out, it certainly improved my knowledge! 😉
In his other video where he shows you how to modify a normal lock into this lock he talks about how to get it back open if I remember correctly
yep but if i remember correctly as well you have to dismount the whole lock to do so, so you have to have a backdoor or at least another access to your house without that system installed. It is still good to protect the door(s) of your house that are the most exposed to picking attempts, and could seriously delay thieves and completely discourage some of them.
So cool that these technologies have existed for decades, yet modern manufacturers keep using easily defeatable designs.
same reason they mostly stopped making hi-fi analog audio receivers in the 1970s, too expensive and most consumers don't know/care.
it's impractical. you only get one shot at picking it if you lose your keys, then you have to buy another expensive lock to replace the one that had to be destroyed in order for you to get inside your house.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 Whenever I've lost my keys my neighbours/flatmates/family have always had a spare set. I haven't had to pick my way into my house in decades.
@@Ch1pp007 okay, but that doesn't apply to most people.
You're probably gonna need to replace the whole door.
That’s the lock my grandfather had on his doors. His neighbors had broken in a few times, then these locks came into play and kept that house safe for 60 years. Seeing those keys gave me goosebumps!
Some great neighbors
This is where destructive entry comes into play. You take a fist and enter the neighbor's cranium with it. And then your home is safe.
@@DawnBriarDev Well, aren't you a tough guy.
BS 99% of break and enter is via force, esp way back then pickproof was merely a selling point or a lazy way of fixing poor tolerances in manufacturing.
@@doc6678 yes true for drilling but made mention as it had anti-drill measures built in, peeling rose off and twisting cylinder was most common brute force back then.
Never saw a lock with a self defense mechanism before
Self destruct, even.
@@panzerveps That is at least partially true, if you could remove the cylinder then you could pop out the springs and reset it. That would of course require gaining access by other means. You can see the lid over the springs at 1:35.
Bosnian Bill just posted a video about a lock with tear gas in it. I kid you not. It is a cool video to watch.
I know. This lock was in complete denial that it had been picked.
Remember that abus lock that shot its parts at him when he cracked its hinge?
Without these videos the general public would have no way to appreciate the quality of these locks. Customers probably just avoided them because of the higher price, being ignorant of the lock's advantages.
Or they avoided them because of the danger that somebody trying to pick your lock means you can't get into your home or business any more.
I used to sell them they were not expensive like Medeco (still one of the hardest to pick)
@@beeble2003 Or, if you were inside: you couldn't escape in the event of a fire.
- And any lock can have a row of trap holes drilled into the barrel, and a set of t-pins and wafers inserted. (Every Locksmith could include it as a service. Make that standard C4 Pin Tumbler lock "Unrakeable".
@@dj1NM3 In an emergency, you can escape by opening a window. You need that with any lock, because a fire might be between you and your keys.
This is the first time I have seen this type of hollow pins in a lock before. I was a Locksmith for about 16 years and I have never seen or heard about this before. Thanks for the info. I am still learning about the many different locks out there.
I worked at an old government facility which was built in the early 50's for a while and all the locks there were this system. They had two locksmiths on staff and rotated locks regularly. I remember the huge key rings full of keys we all carried fondly.
How old are you?
@@toukaken4231. Well I wasn't around when the building was constructed if that's what your asking lol.
My Grandfather was one of many who worked to build the place, I just worked there for a few year till the Government shut the old place down.
@@toukaken4231. Also I "stumbled upon" your "description" because I look into every person I reply to.
This would be one of the situations this lock would have been designed for. You would want to know if someone tried breaking in to a government installation.
What kind of facility was it? Something interesting/secret, or did they just have the security level I would expect of any government facility? I think after 60 years it is ok to tell :)
Any lock LPL respects must be god tier.
This is a "do-or-die" lock; you have to respect that level of commitment.
@@lairdcummings9092 very EXTREME. Go big or go home, smell ya later, loser!
@@s0nnyburnett in this case it’s big enough it has the chance to even keep you out of your own home
@@misterpimlott6330 agreed 👍 God bless.
@@misterpimlott6330 actually no, it's not capitalized, God would refer to something in religion.
Imagine if the position of the traps were random. It would be quite unpickable, right? You wouldn't know which pins needed to be pushed twice and there would be a great risk of simply destroying the lock.
That would actually make sense. Even though the design is known, if you need to guess 3 out of 6 it would make it a one out of 20 chance. A 5% chance is too low for a criminal.
You could feel for the additional shear lines when picking and figure out which positions have trap pins before ever attempting to turn the cylinder, so while it would complicate matters significantly, it's still a feasible attack.
Now, with a thick enough wafer, you could have the hollow ground into the wafer rather than in the driver pin (at this point it'd be more like a middle driver pin of a master keyed lock), so basically the second shear line becomes the trap instead. And then you could randomly mix and match between the two. Six pins all with one safe and one trapped shear line, with a 50/50 shot at which is which... and not that much more complicated to machine, though assembly would be more involved. Bonus points for the fact that it would feel like a proper master keyed lock to all but the most careful pickers.
I am sure someone could learn to feel the difference in the pin surface that's biting or something, or that I have missed some obvious bypass, and this certainly weakens the lock to destructive attacks trying to turn the core, but still.
@@IaCthulhuFthagn
Your theoretical lock would probably be immune to everyone that isn't LPL.
You guys deserve more likes.
Maybe it's actually better if it's manufactured consistently this way. This lock can only be picked if you know the trick, but even if you know the trick you'll only double check 3, 4 & 5. This leaves the lock owner the possibility to modify your lock by adding a fourth trap pin, to trick the people who *thought* they knew the trick.
But then again, if you are capable of doing that you could just as well modify any other lock to get the same effect.
"jimmy-proof"
Good thing this isn't Jimmy, this is LPL.
This made me chuckle
jimmy Savile proof.
"Jimmy doesn't like misunderstandings."
you comment has burned the image of jimmy, master lock pick of the 20th century, in my head. He lives there rent-free
Fyi, he actually said "shimmy-proof"
Imagine, if you will, a car that welds its own doors shut when the alarm goes off...
On the other hand, I bet the cold war CIA was in love with this thing on the solidly-constructed, metal-framed, five-hour fireproof doors protecting our finest government secrets.
If you have another entrance just go in through there and pop the hinges off so you can work on the door
It'd make for a _very_ satisfying visual, though
don’t tempt me with the idea. my grandfather tried it in the 60’s and all it got him was 3 nascar cars
@@geekfreak5100 that's gotta hurt though
Best thing about this pick is how clearly you can hear the pins being set. This makes it even easier to follow your picking, especially for us novice pickers
"the key to defeating it is to set 2, 3, and 4 to the second shear line"
me: hmm, yes, ofcourse. Naturally that is what you would do.
"it will make more sense when i do it"
me: oh thank goodness.
same
@@09adamwilliams same
@@Virttreks same
@@aengusdedanann181 same
@@michaelfonseca4271 same
Wow a 7 minutes video. This must be good.
What i was thinking .
And it was....
@@eoindunne5036 premium
@@collinm5277 no
It's a disassembly
It will never not blow my mind that this man is living an amazing life... just by making these types of videos. I love every single one of them, and I'm super happy he's able to do this.
very cheesy
This may be the most secure lock I think LPL has ever shown us.
Bowley Lock.
@@BSE1320 video number?
4th place after the sticker and two Bowleys
@@adrianortiz3751
636, 653.
Squire locks are no joke either.
Imagine getting Sponsorships to not getting your lock picked in a video
I feel like I just sat in on a very expensive master class. I somehow feel guilty for sneaking in but this was free.
Ah, there’s a musician among us oonga boonga
A friend has one of these locks and I was sure I could duplicate what I saw here. At first, the lock was stubborn and offered several false sets. After several attempts and some time later, I realized I needed to change tool (it happens). Sure enough, changing technique (and tool), got it open on first attempt. Just proves that including the key in your pick set, came be very handy.
Was expecting the last tool to be an acedeline torch
@@tomcruickshank7725 LOL! Would take a bigger case, but may go on my list.
lmao
Back in the day “high security” actually meant something!
What
@@Zack-zz7sk you can't read English?
@@idkwhat2typelol I can read but I don’t get what he’s trying to say, just cus lol can pick a lock doesn’t mean the lock is awful
@@Zack-zz7sk It was a comment about how back when this lock was made, if they said "high security" it actually was - this lock has some decent security features. But today they write "high security" on the worst locks so it doesn't mean anything anymore.
@@Zack-zz7sk he means that back then it wasn't just a joke for high security locks. They didn't put high security on every lock until it was fully tested. Some of today's high security locks are the worst locks ever and are easy as all hell to pick open.
Imagine chilling at your house in there's just some guy watching one of these videos right outside your door to unlock your lock
I would be calling the police and jigil the nobe so im locked inside and they are trapped outside.
Man I was watching this video, read your comment and later on heard my door lock go off. It was just my roommate tho
Better bolt your door with actual bolts and not deadbolts just to be safe.
Hahahaha imagine just chilling suddenly you hear movement outside your door and a quiet „this is the lockpicking lawyer...“
That is so likely, too.
As a regular viewer who doesn't do locksport himself, what most impressed me about this lock is it's packaging. More accurately, the claims that sound impressive yet are honest and correct (as far as I know). It's "as burglar proof a combination as a lock can be" rather than the oft-disproven "unpickable".
That's truth in advertising -- the rarest of rare things. Reminds me of a brand of tires sold in Canada: OK Tires. They're probably just OK, and proud of it :)
Man, this lock would be EVIL with serrated and spool pins for the trap pins.
Plus randomize the trap pins and make them all serrated and spools.
You might not be able to inset both the end for the trap and the circumference for the spool (since you'd be milling both into the same inner volume), but I see no reason why you couldn't mill trap holes for all six pins and use a combination of hollow pins + wafers that interact with the trap, and spool pins that resemble the former.
@@mwalton9526 if the trap pins were random and every pin was serrated with a couple spools. This thing would be almost as good as the Abloy Protec2. Probably more pick resistant than the MT5+.
@@alexholker1309 Trap pins have to be high cut.
@@alexholker1309 the traps don't have to be deep. Also one could use t-pin spools as traps. Just my thoughts on this.
Me, who can't even remember the 3 number code to open a padlock regularly: ah yes, set the pin stacks on slots 2,3 and 4 to the second sheer line, of course
😂
Good thing most thieves aren't that smart lol
Wonderfull comment ;-) By now, I know what he speaks of, but could never replicate 0,001% of it in real life... ;-)
Whoever designed this lock should be proud of themselves.
Holy crap I actually understood his explaination of how the lock works this time!... I'm actually starting to learn this
This is from the 60s ... How is it that locks have devolved in that time? Anti-picking apparently used to mean something, now it's just a buzzword for shitty locks to use
Price probably?
@starshipeleven yeah but your argument falls apart when you consider that this had a hardened ring and a hardened insert specifically to prevent drilling.
this lock is horribly impractical. you only have one shot at picking it before you have to destroy the lock and/or door to get in. if someone else tries to pick your lock, you're replacing the lock and/or door. you lose your key or forget it inside, you're replacing the lock and/or door.
see the problem?
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 A locksmith should know about the second shear line, while a criminal probably wouldn't (before the internet).
"Cost Reduction"
either his cameras autofocus is amazing or he knows his camera reallly well
anyone knows what camera he uses?
Could also be a narrow angle lens
As I understand what he said in the one video correctly his camera is not that good but a mediocre camera can act like a really good camera if you have a good lighting. he's probably spent a couple hundred dollars on lighting. And if my knowledge of how a camera focuses on something with good enough lighting and the correct lens on your camera you may not need to change the focus at all
He strikes me as a man who understand more or less all of his tools very well.
That too he picks.
So when he explained its “weakness” really all said was “I’m this locks only weakness”
No he said it was easy to see what brand of lock it was.
LPL: "I'll know from ten feet away that this is the Hines key system". Geesh, this man is not wired like a normal human.
Well it does say "Hines Key-System" in giant letters stamped into the brass on the front of the lock, so maybe he just has good eye sight to see that from 10' away.
Noooo it's because of its unique keyway other locks don't have a keyway like this one
Learn a trade and you'll be the same way. As an electrician, I'm constantly noticing and judging conduits and fixtures....
@@MaverickBlue42 "I can smell the aluminum wiring in these walls..."
@@johnconway3557 Only if it's wired wrong, in which case it bursts into flames due to the lack of noalox or some similar brand that prevents aluminum wire from oxidizing and essentially turning into a great big resistor.
Such a clever design. It’s a great example of how engineers who went before us did so much with so little
“If we fail, the lock will seize up and can’t be opened non-destructively.”
Me, an RPG fan, *drops a quick save before a lock pick attempt.*
Rpg either role playing game or rocket propelled grenade. Works both ways in your sentence.
DnD player: a sledge Hammer is just a heavy versions of thieves tools
@@fabriciogoulart4564 don't let your DM watch this vid might give them some ideas for chests
@@smilysht238 Meanwhile I'm here watching this with ideas for any lockpick-proficient characters I have.
And maybe making a note for my worldbuilding in case I some day find the time for DMing...
@@storyspren Better be nice to those not so savvy players who like thieves.
Think this is the longest I've ever seen him actually take to pic a lock
Probably because one mistake and the lock seizes.
@@GanonTEK not really. You won't set the trap off until you start turning the cylinder. So until you do - you still have a chance to reset everything and start over.
I particularly like how matter-of-factly you explain the mechanism; and your sensitive touch to feel what is happening inside the lock.
Thanks for the quality content mate. I appreciate your get into it mentality, rather than droning on for 5 minutes before anything happens. Just a genuine thank you for your time to make your content. Cheers to you.
Good to see a piece of old school lock action. I was taking in work about your channel - much to the incredulity of many of my colleagues. I just assured them that the LockPickingLawyer produces the best videos on lock security and that the content was excellent. That did the trick :-)
Tony (Bristol, UK)
I can really dig people like our man here; he makes it look effortless which i very much doubt it is and he comes across like a decent, humble chap. Dare I say genius? Thanks for the great videos and for sharing your knowledge.
Hines: *can be recognized from 10 feet away cause it’s famous*
Also Hines: * suffering from success*
Actually, it can be recognized from ten feet away because the letters etched on the from say "Hines Key System".
You don't have to do a colon format comment just because it seems like everyone else is doing so.
@@davescomputercorner6015 was a year ago so go off
@@camp5385 AND?
@@davescomputercorner6015 just saying. Why do u feel the need when it was a year ago. When it was a more popular meme. Ur criticism is lost on me so shut up
This lock illustrates the conundrum that lock manufacturers face:
Making a lock that provides enough security without being a major inconvenience for the owner (including the expense of paying for a lockout. All of this against the need to make as much money as you can from each unit sold.
If the owner finds another door to enter the house, he won´t need to pay for the lockout, and can at least replace the jammed core by himself, once in his house. Also, the expence of paying for a lockout is the only inconvenience, you make it sound much worse by mentioning it twice ;-) And the hollow-pins/waffers surely cost next to nothing, since for LPL, upgrading such a lock with hollow-pins/waffers costed him just 1$, and he isn´t a company, that could buy a ton of those for cheap.
Mix up the location of the hollow pins, add 1 or 2 serrated pins to the other locations and this would still be a formidable opponent even if you recognised it.
Hi! My friend has a lock like this on his door. After locking himself out, he wondered if i could help him get back in.
The lock, a GTV brand anti pick lock, has 6 pins, 2, 3, 4 &5 all trap pins.
After finding that, i decided not to try & we instead had the landlord get a master key
I really like these more in depth looks at how certain locks operate. Thank you :)
I have been intrigued by lock smithing my entire life. But I became a master mechanic and kept licks as a hobby. I love your posts. I learn so much. Thank you very much.
*Episode 23*
"Someone is breaking into the house!"
"Don't worry, we have the LockPickingLawyer Shear Line Security Service."
And the robber is talking, listen -
Nice click on one, nothing on two, a little rotation of the core..
@@bobbycratchet3958 dramatic music intensifies*
*[grabs a Lego piece and a sliver of a Redbull can to unlock gun cabinet]*
@@Jay-ln1co or just use a piece of metal to slide between the lock and gun, point and fire that round you had in the chamber lmao
Real "the bolt goes forward: the weapon has fired."
6:10 "Now we can drop these pins out. Nothing unusual about them." Except of course, that they are *springs.*
I noticed that as well
Springs are just spiral pins
As always a beautifully done video with excellent narration.
It's absolutely wonderful to see all the Innovation over the years and a lot of times just the beautiful Machining of the locks and the tools to pick them
A lock even the lawyer fears, truly extraordinary.
If the trap pins were random and every pin was serrated with a couple spools. This thing would be almost as good as the Abloy Protec2. Probably more pick resistant than the MT5+.
Serrated spools, serrated pins and keypins, PLUS the randoms traps... why even bother trying to pick something like that?
@@AlienVale that’s the point.
One option would be to (in some cases) hollow out the wafer, not the driver pin. That way, you would have to only pick that pin to the first shear line, and picking to the second would set the trap.
Even knowing the type of lock would then be little use, unless you could feel the difference between hollow driver and hollow wafer, as either could have been used in each position.
@@someonesomewhere1240 that’s EVIL. I like it.
@@someonesomewhere1240 Do you mean like a pin in pin system? One or both with trap pin characteristics?
Greetings from Ireland, every time i watch your videos, it just mesmerisies me,incredible skill would be an understatement ,you are without doubt, one of the best in the business, huge fan.
I can't believe how old this is and how genius still is today!!
I just had a great idea for how to make this basic idea into a near unpickable lock, even if you know the trick. You could have split pins in every position, but which half has the trap is random. Every pin would have two detectable solved states, but you couldn't test for which on is the right one without turning the cylinder and possibly seizing up the lock. There would be 64 possible combinations and you only get one attempt, so a 1.56% chance to get it right, even if you know what you're working with. For added security you could split the pins into even more parts. 3 sections on every pin would give you 729 possible combinations (0.14% chance).
I could agree. I believe I see where you are going with this and I am curious what other knowledgable people (LPL I am looking at you: wink, wink, nudge, nudge, need I say more?) might say.
You have inspired me for years ,not only by your entertainment but also by your knowledge knowledge
Never thought a lock would make me say "Oh shit, that's so cool," out loud.
I love this channel. Because I was curious and somewhat understood the mechanics .. I learned to pick crappy pad locks (purely as an exercise) at a fairly young age with those large copper staples from old school produce boxes .. Not quickly mind you, but usually within three or four minutes, lol. Never something I cared to master as you did, but it's come in handy once or twice the last 30 years .. The boss man couldn't find the key to his office secured with a $3 lock once. But I digress. What I find ironic though , is that people are worried about lock cylinder quality on doors that an angry child could simply bust through in a tantrum. Or a person with more nefarious intents could simply prize open with a bar. (recollections of forgetting my work keys one Sunday, an hour commute - and simply popping the hinge pins rather than doing the round trip. Locks are illusions.
I don't understand why I love this channel. I don't give a shit about locks. But this is the best channel on UA-cam somehow
"first we'll have to pick it"
-LPL, pushing the keys out of frame
1:27 for those who are curious.
*[You have been locked out of this terminal. Please contact an administrator.]* ~Fallout New Vegas
_This is the bonafide lock version of that._
That's what popped into my head when i was watching
That's because you didn't back out right before you bobby pin was about to break so you could try it again.
seems like the most brilliant lock i have seen so far out of 40...60.. 100.. videos.
LPL: "Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!"
LMAO watch his series on the bowley locks which he hasnt picked yet......... no videos of him picking it succesfully. there is a person who has picked the lock but i dont know whether LPL has actually taken heed to that video suggestion
I am new here and it did not take long for me to realize that this whole channel is basically whining about locks because they can be bypassed, maybe he should make his own lock since he knows so much about what makes a lock good 😄
@@strawberryeclairs_ why you still here? That is the reason for these videos
@@strawberryeclairs_ ← masterlock agent
Ultimately the result was inevitable.
I've yet to actually pick a lock other than stupid office storage, but I love these videos and learn something every time. This guy makes me want to try this stuff out for myself.
@LockPickingLawyer I have been browsing your videos on and off for a while now... Just woke and sat and watched thsi one and WOW! What a beautiful piece of Engineering... I have absolutely NO DAMN IDEA how to pick a lock... and barely a cursory idea of how a lock works... But I do admire technical things like this.
And seeing how it works - Even though I have no idea exactly (I kind of get it... The Groves and Wafers.. I understand that! But I still don't actually understand how a Key Works!!! LMAO!) - Just FASCINATING!
And Now I have ended up Subscribing as the channel is just FASCINATING!
All these comments mentioning that this has better security than today's locks fail to address the point that this comes at a considerable cost of also locking the owner out when someone else attempts to pick this lock.
Leave a window open, just in case. 😁
A small price to pay for safety. If they made it, they could easily make something that comes with the lock to disable the seizing. However, there would be a bit of security lost.
@@tymoteuszkazubski2755 I'm not an expert on the topic, but I think most burglars break into houses when the owners aren't home. Thus, no benefit to an ability to reset from inside.
Probably not the right lock for your front door, but if you're a business and want stuff in your records room (or a store room) to stay there no matter what, this feature wouldn't be an issue. The cost of replacing the door probably would be much less than what the room's content was worth.
20 years ago I worked with high-level cryptographic keystore cards for servers. Those were very expensive (we're talking 5-digit prices) and couldn't be transported by plane because the elevated radiation up there triggered their self-destruct mechanism. You could configure them to self-destruct when losing power without being shut down properly (with password) first. They had light (visible, ir and uv) sensors inside their casing, etc. And their self-destruct actually fried the silicon, not just erased the data. Those were used by credit card processors---they just could not afford their private signing keys to be stolen. Re-buying the hardware and creating a new key was a small price to pay for them.
You are over thinking this. First drill out the end of the plug remove the HS ring then drill out the pins as usual, insert a screwdriver and turn.
Good to know... If I see "Hines" on the lock I move straight to the sledge and crowbar method...
Ive seen that type of plug before. But did not know what the little dimples on the side were for. That also explains why the person who taught me over 20 years ago. The plug got stuck. Thx for clearing up that mystery for me.
You should make audio books your calm and soothing voice makes me fall asleep
"If you try to pick this lock it will trigger my trap card and you will need a drill and 3 hours to open it"
Lpl: "hold my tool"
Something worth considering is since this lock was manufactured in the 1960s, there wouldn’t have been a lot of knowledge distributed at the time about how to pick this lock. Even if you were into picking locks back then, books relating to lock-picking would have been rare (if available at all), so this lock probably was ‘jimmy-proof’!
Heinz Key System: Pour ketchup on the lock until the acid eats away at the tumblers
This lock lasted a lot longer than I expected
It lasted longer than I did watching him grasp his coq
It was mostly because he had to be very sure pins 2,3, and 4 were set to the right sheer line. If he didn't do that, and turned the lock, the core would have bound up on those hollow pins and he would have had to pop the top off the lock to get it to move again. Trapping pins like this is a great way to make an average lock into a very pick-resistant lock.
@@beardedshuckle5220 WoW yOu’Re So FuNnY aNd RaNdOm
@@Zack-zz7sk wOw, YoU'rE sO cOoL fOr BeInG sArCaStIc In ThE cOmMeNtS!
@@spacemeers1511 SaMe GoEs To YoU
Ah the SECOND shear line! I have no clue what any of this means but I still find these videos highly watchable. I think simply having a desire to learn is sometimes enough to keep me interested
Please pick the masterlock speed dial, the one with a lil' joystick you move up and down and side to side.
He did
@@BIGMEME_Retro.trance Have you got a link, I couldn't find LPL's video. Here is Bosnian Bill's video on them though: ua-cam.com/video/Les6QZ6jZWk/v-deo.html
@@bleepbloopblahp I dont think he has made one for that kind of model. He made one for a speed dial but its different. Heres the link. ua-cam.com/video/xFgCaX1DIRg/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/xFgCaX1DIRg/v-deo.html
@@bleepbloopblahp this is what I was looking for, the mechanical version. Since I don't binge bosnianbill I didn't know this video existed, thank you.
Watching this channel has made me wonder if any of us are really safe with a locked door
Now you're beginning to understand that most house locks are basically "security by obscurity". Locks mostly work because the vast majority of thieves have neither the time nor the skills to pick a lock.. This is also why high security locks exist. The contents of the building behind said locks tend to be targeted by people who have the time, skills and interest to get through them.
Uh, the average strong male can kick a door open. Only real security is a set of cameras and a gun
@@The_Ballo , is there some federal law in the USA, which requires all the apartment doors to open inside? Is that some security thing that the authorities can always kick your door open? Here in Finland all the apartment doors open outside, so you cannot kick a single door open...
@@The_Ballo - ... and being there ready to trigger.
@@welxxonyoutube4487 - I don't know if its a Fed Law.
It makes sense when opening a door without a window as people are passing to prevent them getting hit by a door. However I get what You mean.
Houses/Apartment doors that swing-out by NYS Municipalities (as far as I know) have security pins for outside hinges or bolts anchored on door frame to prevent doors from being lifted off the hinges. But not everybody follows that law.
Holy moly this lock is adorable...so smooth and ingenious.
So if a company was to adopt this set up again but with all their locks but this time always put the traps in random locations (instead of just 2, 3, and 4) would that work better?
In traditional mass production it might be an issue, its not economical to produce all possible permutations. With modern cnc machining it is feasible but it would be very expensive to setup a production line like that. You would either produce different permutations in batches and mix them up or even better dynamically reprogram. There are 64 possible combinations so the batch system might be more efficient.
If the keyway isn't recognizable, yes. That way lock pickers would have to always, with every lock and every pin, check if there are multiple shear lines. If it's recognizable, you'd just push every pin to the second shear line for those locks.
If you would be smart, you'd just turn around the order of hollow-pin and the insert, so that with some pins you engage the trap with the first line, and some pins with the second one.
I imagine that would be rather expensive to manufacture, and would be too much effort for most lock-makers, sadly.
@@nBoxes not really, to randomise the pins you simply use our tech, randomising it will be easier now than it was then
@@nBoxes I don't actually think that would be a problem. Consider that you could machine the groves into the lines of all six holes but only put hollow pins in three at random. This would allow ease of manufacturing while also allowing the end user to re-pin if they wished by simply moving the hollow pins to different positions.
@@MagzGTV That would work too but you might be able to tell if there is a hollow pin or not. If you do it the other way around (groves at some pins, and hollow pins everywhere or at random I think you would have to guess)
LPL points out the main weakness is that it's one-of-a-kind. Doesn't this imply that the world could be made a lot more pickproof if most locks copied Segal's design, but added variation as to which of the pins have traps instead of 2,3,4?
I think that would just mean people would get used to feeling for double setting pins to ensure they miss the trap. which would stop it from being useful.
I think that even a single trap-pin out of 6, in a random position, would raise the security a ton. Combined with serrated pins for the remaining 5. The serrated pins would lead to the belief that you´ve already picked the trap-pin correctly, thereby getting it more false than correct most of the time.
The moment I saw the length of this video I knew this lock would be one of the best I'd ever see
FEMA has the Waffle House Index
Security pros have the LPL Video Method
I've had a thought about an anti pick lock. The key has 5 pins, but the lock has 6. One of the pins in any of the positions, would be a switch. Which when pushed up by a picker. Would just lock the cylinder. Only a special magnetic key could then unlock the cylinder.
Oooo, I like it!
Unless the pin was in the last position, the key would lift it when it was inserted.
the weakness seems somewhat of an easy thing to fix. You could just swap the order of the hollow pin and the solid pin (which, in this case, is a single wafer).
I think you missunderstand what the weakness of the lock was.
The trap part is not a weakness.
Wow I live in an old rental house and have this exact lock on both doors! Good to know that no one has ever tried to pick the locks!
Fairly, as you never picked any lock that you didn't know you could do, or had a special 'master key' for, you would have fallen for the 'trap' even if you are now disassembling this 1960s lock. But given any amount of time, you can just disassemble it then.
ROTFL. I was typing the "Try a spinner" comment just as you shot that idea down :op Nicely done
Thanks, Harry. Nice picking, gutting, and an excellent explanation about how those traps work. 🙂👍
After watching LPL for a while, I no longer put my wallet, keys, and phone in a gym locker. I just put street clothes, food I bought, shower stuff in the locker, and put the stuff I can't easily replace in a small satchel I loop over my shoulder. LPL made me paranoid 😋
Smart man.
I put my valuables on an open shelf in my gym. And carry my revolver in a leg holster while I work out. Never had any problems.
No he made you wise & safe
Now that we know what is inside, is it possible to get a shim over the hollow pin traps? I absolutely love the sound of pins setting. Not sure what it is about that sound but it’s music to my ears. I was forced into retirement in 2012. I watched videos from you and Bosnian Bill, got a Petersen gem and made my turning tools. I will never forget how the first pin set felt or sounded. You guys really helped me through some really tough times and took my mind off of the pain that had me confined to a comfy recliner or bed. Long story short version: broke my back T5&T7 vertebrae in 1995, went back to work, rear ended in MVA Nov 2011, went back to work, heart attack Feb 27 2012, heart surgery in April 2012, went back to work in Aug 2012, 2 weeks later I fell at work and broke my back a second time and that put me down for the count. And I feel sorry for anyone who tells me there is no GOD. I saw him twice the night I died and HE told me it wasn’t my time to go. But through all that pain I looked at locks and realized they were nothing but order puzzles. Some with do not pass go do not collect $200 features. This inspired me to build and use some of my own locks. Made friends with a locksmith or two along the way who told me I made a medeco look like a master lock. I want to say thank you for getting me through some tough times. Rest assured I have never or will never pick a lock that doesn’t belong to me and only use the information in these videos for entertainment and pain distracting activity. I always enjoy your videos!
So, if you get home and your key won't open your door, it might not necessarily be that your wife has changed the locks, it may just be that someone unsuccessfully picked your lock.
As soon as LPL did not start the video by directing people to his store and pushing his products, I realized this must be an older video. I didn't realize that I had watched it four years ago and even commented then. It was still worth another watch.
Sounds like he’s doing a dental check when he’s picking locks 😂
"Plug spinner?" You can't just throw that out there without telling us what it is and how you were able to fail nine times and not damage the lock. Please do a follow up!
A plug spinner is not a picking or bypass device. It is a simple tool that uses a spring under tension to spin the plug very fast.
It is not frequently discussed on these type of channels because these YTers pick lock cylinders that are not actually attached to a real lock (except padlocks). When these lock cylinders are installed in the full locks, say a deadbolt, lever handle or exit device, there can be certain restrictions on which way the plug turns to unlock the lock.
For example, you may need to turn the key left to retract the bolt on the deadbolt in your front door. Turning the key to the right it will simply come to a solid stop. If I were to picked your deadbolt, due to manufacturing tolerances, it may pick very easily to the right. However this won’t allow me to unlock the lock even though the cylinder is picked. So once the cylinder is picked in the wrong direction we wind up a plug spinner and it will spin the plug so quickly in the opposite direction that the pins don’t have a chance to drop back down and lock up. So even though we picked it right, we spin the plug left and open the deadbolt.
He should mention which plug spinner he used and demonstrate the claimed 9/10 failure rate. I dispute that. Those look like standard replacement LAB springs in the tear down, there is little chance they can overcome the force of a plug spinner. I suspect he is either improperly winding the plug spinner so it’s under light tension, only stopping near the trap grooves. Or he’s got a bad plug spinner (it’s not a tool very useful to lock sport enthusiasts).
@@833psz thankyou for that example, it was very helpful in understanding why a plugspinner would be useful.
@@833psz you have a talent of explaining things in such a way a rookie like me can still understand. The time you took to answer this is much appreciated!
The 9 fails would have destroyed the lock if it was mounted in a door but he's got access to that flat brass piece on the top of the lock called a "cover" remove the cover and that let's tensions off the springs and the pins in turn and u can untrap the lock but impossible in door maybe short of cutting the lock out of the door with a saw
@@833psz i think he might have hit the trap going the wrong way the trap is on both sides for that reason that might have been the fails
Beautifully clever and well made. Nowadays the locks seems more a battle of marketing than a battle of conception, except for some of course. indeed the time you needed for picking this one is a proof in hisself.
So essentially, a master locksmith is the only one getting in unauthorized. You need the tools but more importantly the knowledge to identify the lock.
Good enough for me.
Nah, only non-destructively though. If you look at the strike it appears to mount to the door trim. It wouldn't take a hard push to rip the strike plate free unless it is mounted to a steel frame.
All the sex criminal really needs to identify this lock is watching LPL videos. Don't forget - everything on UA-cam is common knowledge!
Question: Toward the end of the video you talk about using the plug spinner with a 10% success rate.
Given this seems like a fairly pricey, collectible vintage lock, I can’t imagine LPL being or even having 10-11 of these locks and would be willing to seize 10 of them just to find that info out, so I’m assuming he performed on the same lock 10-11 times.
I don’t quite understand how the core could be removed if it was in its seized state, wouldn’t that prevent you from removing the core? And if not, how is it done?
Another thought, how “hollow” are the pins?
It’s hard to tell in the video
Does it compromise the structural integrity of the pin? If you did fall into the trap and seize the lock how feasible would brute force turning on the core be, and even if it did damage the pins would it damage them in a way that the lock would fail open or would they just end up seizing it worse?
As long as tolerances are tight, you wouldn't be able to deform the pin and turn the cylinder, you would have to sheer the pin. If the pin is harder than the cylinder, you would have to deform the cylinder to get movement, a difficult prospect given the cylinder is round and encased in hardened steel. At that point, the required deformation becomes required compression.
I do not actually know the answer and had the same question myself.
My guess is that, if the lock is free standing and not mounted into a door, you will be able to hit it on a table while trying to turn the barrel to it's initial position. Hit it sufficiently hard that the springs of 2, 3 and 4 compress by a distance longer than the depth of the milled "trap points" and you will have it! You will have reset the lock.
I am thoroughly impressed with the design of this lock, that being said I cannot lockpick at all, but for the 60s that is really clever.
The way you are picking locks and the tools you use really remind me of a dentist 😂
Towards the end all i could think of is Steve saying, “lets get this sat onto a tray. Nice.” 😂
What an obscure allusion, probably not too many people would’ve gotten that I don’t think are you talking about Steve the one that does the MREs?
Oh my god why do I know who you're talking about
A man of culture, I see.
Nice hiss.
Ah so I see you're a man of culture as well. Nice.
Man your audio set up is good. When you were first going through setting up the second through fourth pins, the second click on three didn't sound just right, like "wait, huh?"....and then you caught it slipping.
Like I'm impressed, I'm a half deft aviation mechanic who's only used to listening for binding and engagement sounds on landing gear and flight controls. I probably would not have picked up on it if it wasn't for how quiet your soundbooth is, the quality of your mics and the fact that you keep your speech short and precise.
P.S. been using you as a source for coworkers-friends-family who are asking about home security locks and such considering current social-unrest.
If the video is not 2 minutes long, it means it is a 11/10 lock.
How nervous were you you'd accidentally screw up and seize up the lock?
Not much i think but you never know
since he has access to the entire lock, probably not that nervous. it's a bit different when you only have access to the keyway and can't just take it apart and reset it.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 Considering the assembly, I have a hunch the security pins would lock the barrel up, and make it impossible to be taken apart entirely.
@@ujiltromm7358 well, he explains in the video that he failed 9 times with the plug spinner, so it clearly wasn't an issue.
I wonder if blasting compressed air around the cylinder would retract the security pins if it was seized?
Even though it is a old lock with great resistance to being picked, you would have thought that it would have evolved into a better designed lock that’s has a greater resistance to being picked. Thanks for showing us your videos, great fun to watch..
It is a FAILED design bcuz the heightened security against a lock picker comes at the expense of the home owner who is also locked out & leaves open the avenue of malicious mischief that sees a home owner having to call a locksmith/carpenter to gain entry to their own house anytime someone who doesn't like them messes with their locks... that is the reason he said this lock is from the 60's & not the 2020's
one time, i visited this house which had 5 locks on it, it was a friends house so i asked him why.
he said “So if any lockpickers come about, they have to do it 5 times”
I like your pfp