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Why don't we all use 10-inch dado sets on our 10-inch saws?
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2020
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Your knack for posting a relevant and helpful video on the topic the week or so before I need it is uncanny
Another corking video James and team!
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you. I came online looking for more information on choosing a dado set when building some bee hives. I watched your videos on Dado sets and then... just kept watching Stumpy Nubs. Not only are you a good woodworker, you are more importantly a good educator. Your series are thoughtful and approachable by amateur woodworkers and provide valuable safety content and great techniques. I decided to invest in some new blades that will last my lifetime and to up my game in how I approach woodworking in general. Craftsmanship does still matter and I need to be able to take pride in my work before I can actually earn a cold one - even on simple projects. Keep up the good work, those tips and tricks, and stay safe.
I am a new hobbyist and I would like to thank you for saving me a great deal of money by following your advice. Keep it up as I'm close to retirement and cant afford to waste money. :-)
I love this dudes videos. Always straight to the point and well explained.
I always appreciate your informative in depth reviews, thank you.
Thanks for the info. Getting ready to buy my first dado set and had no idea why I couldn't find a 10" set.
A contractor saw at 15A (120V) is around 2.4HP, for anyone wondering. Get the 6"
I have a DeWalt contractor saw and have been running the 8 inch for a long time without any problems.
I literally just did all the math, I sold have just come back to the video first lol.
What happens if I use an 8in set?
@@eltigredetejas2328 Been a while since I watched the video but I think James discusses this. It will work but will be hard on your saw, you'll have to take smaller bites, and it won't stop as quickly/safely.
@@crankstonshnord6591 ok so cut like 1/4in at a time or 1/2 in ? Don’t start with 3/4in height
I remember trying to explain what a dado was to the plastic surgeon trying to pin what was left of of fingers back on my hand. Shout out to the GOAT Dr. James Lacey
I inherited a very old craftsman saw but my father along with both 8in and 6in data sets. I never knew why he had both. But this makes perfect sense. Thanks!
In all the years that I've owned a table saw and a dado set I've never had anyone inform me of what you have. I appreciate it. I have an old Craftsman 10" contractors saw and a Freud 8" dado set. I'm glad I watched this before putting that dado set on. Looks like I may need to get a 6" set. Thanks James.
I just use a simple 2in dado set, i call it a router bit, on my 2 foot by 4 foot router table. It doubles as an edge jointer with a "jointing fence" especially once i figured out how to sharpen my double flute bits to razor sharp
Always great tips for all woodworkers
Thank you for the knowledge. Helped in my birthday present research 100%.
This was so clear, great job. Thank you.
Good video Stumpy! I never knew that, nice to know the difference between the different sizes.
I’ve been using a table saw since I was 17, now 47 and man, I’m I glad I saw this video. I never used a dado blade, my table saw was only for ripping, rough framing mostly. I always use a router when making basic shelving on my work area. But now l want to get into some finer wood working style. This video SAVED ME from making a huge mistake. Thank you! You got a new subscriber now 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
Thank God for this video. I'm so happy I found this
Living in the UK, I bought a US made Table saw specifically to make use of my US sourced Freud Diablo 8" Dado set.
@@aerialrescuesolutions3277 Hi Jim, I'm ex RAF, one thing is sure about military service, it teaches you to use your wits and be resourceful.
I am also a hard adherent to the imperial measurement system (fractions are much easier than decimals).
Luckily in former employment, I worked for a company based in Anaheim Ca, so spent many an afternoon in the Local Torrance Rockler store to equip my workshop with Incra and Woodpeckers tools we didn't have access to at the time at home, (obviously all imperial).
Hope you don't live in Portland, if you do, my advice is to get yourself an AR-15.
Be safe.
Great explanation, appreciate the informative format
Sawstop users: 8” dados are recommended with the dado cartridge bigger or smaller stacks were not designed for the saw. Blade stacking or wider than standard 1/8” kerf blades are also not recommended with your standard cartridge.
This includes 1.75 HP PCS that I own. Check your owner’s manual.
I refuse to own a table saw that isn’t a SawStop... there are two tools that scare the #@#^6t%^* out of me; table saws are the first one (water jet cutters are the other... they can go thru literally ANYTHING).
@@darkwinter6028 I agree with you about saws, even more so with a dado set :P but having worked with water jets for 15years, I do of course respect them, but I have to say, there is no need to fear them :)
Sure, they will cut through anything given time, but they won't grab and cut of a finger unexpectedly like a table saw can.
Also, since waterjets are CNC machines, you don't hold the workpiece by hand and you stand back out of harms way :) they also cut very close to the surface of the material being cutted, preferably just a few millimeters, so it's very hard to hurt yourself on them :)
I'm my years I've never hurt myself, and no one else in shop running the waterjet has either, but in the same time there has been a few smaller injuries with angle grinders and polishing machines, those are orders of magnitude more dangerous than a CNC waterjet used even semi correctly :)
I've even handheld hardened M5 steel bolt and cut of the heads on them with the waterjet stationary, wasn't particulary scary really :P its basically just a very focused sandpaper, breaking the soundbarrier with 4000+bars of pressure :P
@tyvek05 - LOL... I couldn't care less if you use a SawStop. But your attitude about injuries is flat out arrogant. I know master woodworkers who lost fingers after 30+ years of experience. Saying "pay attention" all the time is foolish because it ignores the human factor. People can work hard to always pay attention. But humans make mistakes. YOU make mistakes. Happens all the time. People stub toes, trip when they walk, run a stop sign, you name it. It HAPPENS! But whatever... I used to try to reason with guys like you. But I've learned that it's simpler to just wait until you eventually find yourself in the emergency room. Because tough guys like you who think only idiots get hurt ALWAYS eventually have to learn the lesson the hard way.
@@StumpyNubs I thought I was paying attention to what I was doing a couple of months back when I cut off the end of my left thumb. I'll never forget the image of the piece of the thumb flying through the air...I just bought a SawStop Jobsite Pro.
I am currently shopping for a dado set. Thanks for the good info.
A few days back, I was just cutting 3/4" wide, 4" deep dados in some 4x6's (in 2 passes, so 1.5" wide), across the end grain. A 6, 8, or 10" blade wouldn't have worked. Years ago, I'm glad I opted for a 12" dado set.
Very informative, well explained...thanks for posting!
Though I'm nearly all hand tool now that doesn't mean I always have been. The commercial shops I worked at in my younger days all had versions of Unisaws and 8" dadoe stacks. Memory says improper setup, missing shims and overzealous feed speeds were the primary causes of problems. Apparently such things are uncommon in some countries as gifted immigrants had the most difficulty and the most amazement once shown how to setup and use them. First time they quickly cut a tenon and they were hooked. Good job! Well presented.
Always enjoy ur videos and information.... great insight all the time
Great video and saved me from an expensive mistake! I was wondering why it was so hard to find a 10” set and was about to buy an 8” set for my small contractor saw 🫣
wow, I have a 1.75HP Fusion 2 10" table saw, I'm so glad I watched this video before buying the too-large 8" dado set. I'm ordering a 6" dado now
Exactly what I needed to know. That you so much!
A better dado set is on my short list of things to buy. I have a Freud 6" and I've never really liked it. The arbor holes in the chippers are just a touch smaller than the holes in the outer blades, and they always get stuck on the arbor. It's also 10 years old and dull as C-Span.
Great advice James! Thank You👍
Thanks stumpy, great information , i didnt know they made a 6" dado set , in the near future I am planning to get a lower powered 2 hp. Cabinet saw. Wood working is just a hobby for me and I dont see the expense getting a higher horse power saw.
Thanks for sharing that, well said!
Very helpful! I have a jobsite saw and was looking at the 10”. I’ll look for a 6”
Excellent advice. Thank you
Thanks for sharing have a blessed day
Wow lots of good information. Thanks for sharing
Great video as always. I’ve been looking for the right dado set lately and this helps. One note: 6” sets are currently out of stock on Ridge’s website.
See if they have a waiting list. It's worth the wait :)
When you start mixing letters with numbers…LOLOL truer statement for many has never been spoken
Great video, as always.
I have a contractor saw (DeWalt 7490) which I like (price, performance...)
I had a crap dado stack (not flat dado), but upgraded to a nice 8” CMT which works great. I’ve only used in plywood and softwood, but just shy of 3/4”. The power did not lag, but maybe I compensated by going slowly?? ... perhaps a 6” would have been better, but I seem to have gotten away with it?
(Btw, some time ago I followed prior advice from you to Ridge Carbide, and have their kick-ass rip blade. Quality!)
I've always used a 6 inch set as the money I saved i got a high-end miter so doing half laps not a problem.
Very good information! I learned a lot! Thanks, Stumpy nubs!
excellent explanation
I used an 8" set on my Delta 1.5hp contractor saw for many years. Use the same set on my new Laguna F3 with 230V 3hp motor. Seems to work fine on both saws. Never really thought much about it but makes sense a smaller set would be easier on a smaller motor.
Same here and my new Saw Stop 1.75hp has no problem with the 8” either.
Very helpful!
Thanks 😊
I have always wondered about 10" dado blades. I got the freud super 8' dado set., and thanks to you discovered that they make magnetic shims, which I just recently purchased. I have a sliding table saw which makes changing out blades very simple, so I also use a crosscut blade for crosscuts, Glue line bade, etc. keep up the great info. Thanks
Milo Hughes 10” and 12” dados typically also have a larger arbor size for industrial sized saws over the smaller prosumer/contractor saws.
@@jeremyhaines7504 That's true. Mine is only the Grizzly 10" and has the 5/8' arbor. I couldn't see a need to go bigger anyway. I really like the way the chipper blades are made on the freud too.
Great info👍🏼 Subscribed!😊
I am a hobbyist, and seldom driven by production speed issues. For years I've looked for an excuse to buy a dado set, but not found a compelling one. I typically use a Forrest 1/8" kerf flat-top Woodworker II blade, and find that I can make a groove or dado cut in a few passes that doesn't take the setup time of a dado set. For some common grooves/dados, I use my Freud box joint blade, which can do clean 1/4" or 3/8" grooves. Also negligible setup vs a dado, although its 8" diameter means I've got to switch brake cartridges on the Sawstop. I also use a "Matchfit Dado Stop" gadget that makes repeat work more accurate. I may eventually find the compelling reason for a dado, so thanks for the video and links!
Great video!
If you're NOT fortunate to live in a country where you can buy a table saw dado stack, make your own. Politicians are not particularly smart, nor are they woodworkers.
I never looked at it this way, thanks
I recommend the Freud Dial A Dado. You can get the exact dado width in 2 tries. Its that accurate! Use woodworking mathematics. You won't be disappointed.
Love that Koozie!!!
Me watching this, have made about 6-7 cuts on a table saw in my life thinking should I get the 10" or the 12" dado set for my 12" table saw 😅
I wish I knew about ridge carbide before I bought my cheap dado set. I love my ridge carbide cross cut blade
I keep a cheap dado set for MDF and other man-made materials that would dull my good set too quickly.
I went with an 8" (purchased years ago) and now I wish I had a higher quality 6"
All I know is, I priced an 8" vs a 10"...
Youch!!
Delta, the maker of my saw, says the 3 horse model can use a 8 inch dado with no problem. I might get a 6 inch though.
Who knew - thanks!
love ride carbide best blade ever
great video
James you might be interested to know that dado sets are legal in Europe butcsaw manufacturers have extra safety qualifications so they dont bother. With one exception. Harvey, and their rebranded variants do support and sell dados on their european version of their saw. One more reason to buy Harvey.
Thanks for the info man.
Been looking at buying a saw that could take dados and struggled like hell
Great vid mate. Thanks for your helpful info. I subbed, rang the bell and liked too!!
I run a Dewalt portable table saw and run an 8” dado set to 3/4” wide and have never had an issue with power. I chose the 8” because of the extra height and the ability to cut 1/2 laps on 2x stock with a sled. I’ve also used 2 standard blades, 7 1/4”, in the saw with the teeth offset to cut dados for sub 1/4” plywood with great results. Regardless of what you chose buy quality and look at it as an investment in your work and not just a cheap thing you may only use occasionally.
Hhhmm
I like the 2 standard 7 1/4 blade idea.
Occasionally I’ll need a 0.005” shim; it depends on the 5mm or 5.5mm plywood. I needed to figure something out because a 1/8” kerf blade wasn’t big enough and the 1/4” minimum of the dado was too big. I use 2 40 tooth 7 1/4” blades; the cut is clean but the bottom isn’t flat, doesn’t matter in use as you never see the bottom.
Hello James from 🇬🇧,
I wish I had the luxury of having the dilemma of deciding whether to buy a 6" or 8" dado set.
I wish our health & safety executive trusted us to have more than one sharp spinney thing to use at the same time 😜😂🤣
Gr8 Vid all the same. Keep well. 👋
Yes, I was going to say something similar about that. I don't understand why they're not legal here.
I was wondering the same question...
Ciao from 🇮🇹!
@@saveriog.825 I think its an EU wide law Saverio. Where about in Bella Italia are you?
Paul and Saverio, in response to other comments on this video, I testified that of the three maiming injuries suffered by my own professional shopmates over the years, two were with dado stacks. Being buried in the cut is not a protection from momentary misuse or bad judgement. European regulations have a sound basis.
Nevertheless, I do use this tooling where indicated.
@@paul756uk2 I live in the north-east, in Veneto, the region of Venezia.
Cheers!
My rambling on the topic.
Rigid contractors saw Ive had since Hurricane Sandy..
8" freud super dado set for about 5 years maybe more.
I am a bit abusive about doing things in one pass that would be frowned upon by the safety police on UA-cam. To them the finger.
Tablesaw sleds are the most overrated unsafe safety jigs ever and combined with a dado set would make me feel safer at the port of Beirut.
Never thought about the motor being able to spin the set. Never seems to make a difference and I stack 3/4" worth of blade mostly.
Never knew there are other sizes available as far as circumference.
Gonna just keep doing what Im doing.
Thanks for the info stumpy
Thumbs up as usual.
I have a crappy "1.5hp" (I put in quotes because if you calculate the horsepower based on the amps drawn, it's closer to .75hp) Craftsman contractor saw and it spins an 8" dado set without a problem, even at full width. FYI.
My 1hp cabinet saw runs a 8" dado stack just fine, even 3/4" wide dados in hard wood.
Then again it is a 1952 Delta Unisaw, with a repulsion induction motor I'd put up against the 3hp motors in modern saws. :)
Interesting
Great advice as always. Just wondering what you think of the Freud Dial A Width dado stack James.
I was about to ask about using a dado stack in a circular saw, and then realized what a nightmare of kickback that could be
There's a reason circular saws don't have arbors (just a bolt to hold on a single blade). A dado set on a saw like that would be a bad idea.
Based on my experience, you don't need a 3hp saw for an 8" dado. I have my dad's old Rockwell/Delta ca. 1964 Unisaw with a 1 3/4hp belt driven motor. I used a 8" dado set with no issues for years. I now have a 3hp Sawstop and it is noticeably more powerful but that is relative. The old Unisaw is now the full time dado saw. Now to really blow your mind, I once needed to cut slots about 2.5" deep so I stacked up three 10" blades with spacers to get a slot in one pass of about 3/8" in 3/4" stock. Again, no issues with horsepower on that Unisaw. I'm now more equipped to find other ways to cut that slot, if I had to.
My Skilsaw 15 amp contractor saw states to only use an 8" dado in the owner's manual. Not sure what the HP is on it though. Thinking 3 or less.
Good info. But my question is this can you recommend a good Router table top. And do you recommend the aluminum router plate I need one for a Dewalt 3HP plunge router.
Jeff
I thought one of the advantages of the 8 over the 6 was more teeth and therefore longer life and longer intervals between cleaning.
I know this is old, but have you ever done a comparison video between the different manufacturers of dado sets?
6 inch sets have been available for the average woodworker for a long time. I bought an old, hardly used Craftsman set for $25.
I use both a 6/6.5" Irwin wobble dado & a Freud 8" Safety dado. Both are carbide. The wobble I use for rough work on the tablesaw & RAS by changing bushing. 3/4" arbor.
The Freud is tablesaw only for finer work.
great video... A 12" dado set must sound like a B17 landing in your shop.
Hey Gatsby you're tellin' on yourself. There aren't too many of us around that know what a B-17 sounds like.
Oh wait, now I'm tellin' on myself.🤪
My dad had a 12" dado. Sound more like F4U... that faint whistle just before that puff of smoke :)
A mathematician after my own heart.
Surprised you didn't mention anything about Sawstop requirements. You must use an 8 in dado set with a Sawstop because that's the only dado cartridge they make. Regardless, good info James.
I assume people with a SawStop know that. But I suppose I could have mentioned it anyway.
Hey Stumpy Nubs, I got a question for ya. What is a good enough jobsite style table saw that can use a dado stack? I want to keep the size compact and build a work station with fold out wings to handle larger projects. Do I need to get into a contractor style saw to have the capability? Love your videos and hello from Grand Rapids.
Great information on power requirements to reliably turn the different sized dado sets. Oversizing the dado set will wear out your saw's motor or burn it out much more quickly is what I'm understanding, correct?
Sort of the opposite of switching to a thin kerf single blade in order to afford easier feeding.
I got the worst of both worlds for my saw. I bought a Dial-A-Width 6" dado set only to find it doesn't fit my Skilsaw Jobsite Table Saw. So then I bought the 8" Freud as the manufacturer said that even though my saw is 1.5HP since it is a Worm Drive it can handle it. Honestly I have to say that for the past few years it's handled the 8" set with no problems but there is a slight worry in the back of my head each time. Oh and neither Amazon nor Freud would let me return the 6" Dial-A-Width :-(
I’m a newby so this was perfect. I struggled to find a 10” dado for my grizzly 0869. Good thing I didn’t buy. It wasn’t so much a struggle to find a 10” stack but finding one with a 5/8” arbor was the challenge. Then I was thinking maybe I was supposed to use a smaller blade set for the 5/8” arbor. At 2 hp should I even consider an 8” or be happy with a 6”?
I know this is 10 months late, but: in the video he recommends a 6" dado set if your saw is less than 3 hp. :)
You don't save much by getting a 6" rather than 8" dado set. It's only about 10% less for the infinity. Decent budget blades like the DeWalt/Delta are not usually available in 6".
If dewalt dado blades are as horrible as their mitre saw blades you could stack butter knives on your arbor and get a better cut
@@williamsmith9026 I have no experience with those. But I'm not the only one to like the DeWalt dado set. I doubt DeWalt actually makes either.
But my major point was not that you should buy a cheaper set. It was that you shouldn't think you'll get that by getting a 6" set. Buy that, if you do, for other reasons.
I’m working on a display box, as a gift, and want to use finger joints, for the joinery. Saw is a Ridgid 4512, using an Inca I-Box, and cutting 3/8” dados for the joints. Dado stack is 8”. I’ve used this setup quite successfully in the past, though with a narrower stack. Problem is that it cuts fine except for the last 1/8” of the cut. It is just tearing the fibers to shreds. Interestingly, I get a perfectly clean cut in good quality plywood. I was thinking the saw just can’t drive that heavy a blade. But, if so, why do I get a good cut in Baltic Birch, and not in hardwood (testing in hard maple, cherry, willow)? Any thoughts are appreciated.
I have a dado set, but now that I know how to use a router plane I never use it. Just to much trouble to get it set up.
I have a sawstop jobsite saw. I think I have to use the 8" dado stack for the dado brake to work. I do not have a dado set yet.
I also have a sawstop jobsite saw. Use 8 inch dado many times without issue. You are correct, it only works with 8 inch dados.
I don't want to get into the benefits of the safety aspects of the SawStop saw. The amount of time a dado set is used in a hobby shop is quite small at least in my shop. Also being the cutters are buried in the piece seems the danger of contacting the blades are minimal. So turning off the safety feature when using a 6" dado stack wouldn't be an option?
Dwight L, in response to another comment on this video, I testified that of the three maiming injuries suffered by my own professional shopmates over the years, two were with a dado stack. Being buried in the cut is not a protection from momentary misuse or bad judgement. European regulations have a sound basis.
Nevertheless, I do use this tooling where indicated.
@@dwightl5863 Sawstop will not work with 6 inch dado even in bypass mode.
@@leehaelters6182 I guess I could see it happening in a cabinet shop where doing it over and over again, one could lax in precautions.
Nessie you have a saw stop saw you are stuck with an eight inch and have the safety break work
Hey James, what horsepower saw do you need for a 10-inch dado set?
If your saw is normally equipped with a 12-inch or 14-inch blade, you can likely handle a 10-inch dado set. But I'd check with the manufacturer first.
I have a 1 3/4 hp saw which dado set would be best a 6'' or 8 ''?
I just got a Skil TS6307 table saw and my owners manual mentions to use a 8" only. So should I get a 6" to save a few bucks?
Maybe you can help me out here Stumpy, i'm trying to find out if my Skill saw 3310 will accept a Dado stack, if not what could you recommend..
One of the realities is that many in your audience will have SawStop table saws which require very specific dado sets
I wouldn't say "many" have one. At least not based upon the push back I always get whenever I mention a SawStop :)
My next table saw will be a Sawstop. Sure they are expensive. So are my fingers. And as I watch woodworking videos on UA-cam, it seems a lot of my favorite woodworkers have them.
Always comes down to that extra inch.
That’s what SHE said! Thank you for the straight line.
I have a contractor saw and bought an 8" stack before I had the education of this video. I've used it several times with no issues, but am I overburdening my motor and shortening the life of the saw?
Does the saw seem to bog down? I am not sure the difference between an 8-inch and 6-inch stack will damage your saw. I assume you only use it occasionally, anyway. I definitely wouldn't put a 10-inch set on it, though.
I have used a 8 inch dado on my sawstop jobsite saw many times without issue. You can only use 8 inch dados on sawstops so I do not have a choice to use 6 inch.
So I've inherited my grandfather's delta unisaw from 1947. The original motor is enormous and weighs about 50 pounds and was converted to 220 in the early 80's. There are 3 belts from the motor to the blade. But it's only labeled as 3/4 horsepower. Would a dado stack set be recommended?
Covishen, lucky you. I’ll bet it is one of those Deco styled ones. I have always loved those. I wish I could be more authoritative, but I expect that the superior torque characteristics of those motors would allow you to make at least some cross-sections of dado cuts. Low and wide or narrower/taller.
I run an 8” dado head in my 10” table saw and a 10” dado in my 14” RAS.
Northland, I am curious. Does the dado stack for the radial arm saw have a negative rake tooth grind, as indicated for single blades on such a machine?
Lee Haelters no, it is a regular positive hook dado stack. In fact the negative hook blade requirement is a myth. There is a whole forum dedicated to the RAS and there are many posts explaining why the best RAS blades have positive hook grinds.
The Northland Workshop, thanks. Can you oblige with a link or name?
Does Sawstop make a brake cartridge for a 6" stack?
No
Any comment or possible review of the Rockler miter fold dado set?
I can't use one on my SawStop
@@StumpyNubs damn.