Freud 8" Dado Stack VS Harbor Freight 8" Dado Stack (who is better?)
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- Опубліковано 19 гру 2022
- I compare my old two year Harbor Freight dado stack to a new made in Italy Freud dado stack. You wont believe what find!
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Nice blooper. I'd probably always choose a 24 tooth over a 12 tooth blade to try to minimize tearout. I googled around about the tearout and ran across this on the grooves (something I've experienced as well): "Direct quote from the literature that came with my dado stack: "This dado has been designed with beveled outside blade teeth. This means that the outside saws will cut the very outer edges slightly deeper than the chippers. This minimizes tear-out and gives an overall better cut." This also means if I make multiple passes to create a large rabbet then I will have inconsistent depth cuts across the rabbet or tenon."
Oh wow, so the grooves are a given then. Thanks Jim. They have never been an issue just more curiosity. Either way the Harbor stack wins as far as tear out goes.
I have the Harbor Freight stack, been great for several years now. Use it mostly for cutting grove for drawer bottoms and back panels for cabinets.
Thanks, I was getting ready to order a set. Thanks for the review
Sure thing! Thanks for watching. Don’t get me wrong the Freud are still great blades if you get a set.
Double the cost for worse results and a way worse storage case! Seems like a no brainer!! Awesome video man! Thank you!
Thank you.
Wow... Thanks for the demonstration.
Pretty interesting results indeed, Andy! 😃
Thanks for testing it!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
And merry Christmas!
I thought so too! Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Thanks for making the video. I also have both the Harbor Freight (HF) and the Freud. The HF was purchased at a yard sale and the Freud was purchased at an auction with a box of various 10" saw blades. BTW: I have a Rockwell wobble dado blade that I use to make rough surfaces. I've been using the HF set for ~10 years for various dado projects. The finish is very acceptable. Nice crisp edges. Tear out is limited with masking tape on the workpiece. The only drawback to the HF blade set is that if I don't apply a thin coat of oil on it, it'll flash rust, meaning that there's extra work cleaning the blades before use and oiling them before storing. Regarding the Freud set: I hadn't tried them as to this date. However, the blades have a black finish that helps prevent rust, which is a plus over the HF set. Looking forward to trying it out. I was dismayed that your results showed that the Freud gave an undesirable result.
Thanks for watching one of my videos! I appreciate the comment!
Thanks you for the information . The older I get the more tools/toys I’m needing for my workshop. Ive owned a nice 10” jet table saw for quite a while and I’ve always wanted a dado set but didn’t want to spend the money so I’ve been putting up with lots of grooves in my dado joints. Well I recently saw that harbor freight has them and like everything there the price was in my range. I was able to fight off the temptation or at least until I looked at some reviews on them and yours was the first one I saw and after doing so I will surely be near the local HF store and by the end of the week my dado’s won’t have anywhere near the groves of the past. Thanks for taking the time to share us your comparison.
Thank you for watching! I appreciate the comment. I’m always glad when I’m a help to someone out there. I never know if I am unless someone takes the time to comment
if you have grooves using your regular saw blade it's because you don't have an FTG (flat top grind) blade. They're usually 24 tooth rip blades that have the FTG. Stay away from diablo rip blades though because those are ATB (alternate top bevel) and will definitely leave grooves. I have the freud 24 tooth FTG blade and they leave super flat bottoms in my dados, tenons, rabbets you name it. Hope this helps 👍
@@idhatemet00 I understand where you are coming from but if what you say is true, why wouldn't Freud use FTG blades in its purpose made DADO set blades? Doesn't make much sense does it.
Harbor Freight has been improving over the years. I started buying their tools probably in the 1980's when they were only mail order. No local outlets. The first nut drivers from them had plastic handles that would shatter in your hand when medium force was applied. I bought 10 sets of mini socket sets with both SAE and metric sockets with 40 to 50 pieces because they were only $3 each. That was cheap even then. I have given several sets away to Son in Laws but I still have a couple of new ones left.
This is very interesting. I have the Freud 6 inch stack in my saw now. I also have the harbor freight unopened on a shelf. I will have to do a direct comparison on some of the woods I use most often. Thanks for this video. makes me think what I can do to test next!
For sure, I’d love to hear your results.
Me too
Thanks for the comparison. I’m looking at buying a new dado stack.
My pleasure!
It would be nice to have an update to this after you have used the Freud blades more. Would be interested to hear what you think I would have thought freud would be much better.
Good idea Lance! I’ve got some up coming projects that I’ll be using these blades on. I’ll keep y’all posted for sure. Thanks for watching!
You can’t really go wrong with harbor freight. I was actually surprised that the admiral did better lol 😂 nice video friend. Lol bloopers got to love them lol 😂
I know right! I was surprised too!
great video
I intend to try the Harbor Freight dado stack after watching this..thanks for sharing..I"d like to make an observation regarding your points relating to weight and sharpening..less weight also reduces stress on arbor bearings and less hp used to rotate the blades..having blades sharpened would probably be half the cost of a new set at HF price
Yeah it would, just depends. Not sure you would get many sharpening out of the HF blades as the carbide is smaller. But I’ve had mine two plus years and they are still sharp so… it depends.
That HF dado set looks and is packaged just like the HD Avanti dado set. Avanti blades are trash but the dado set has held up over the last 3 years we've had them. To be fair we use them on plywood and poplar, almost never on any hardwoods.
Interesting, I’ve never used the Avanti blades.
@@epeiusgarage don't, except for the dado set.
Thank you. subbed and liked
Thank you!
I bought the Baur dado set (looks like yours), their doing fine for me. But I’ve never used any other to compare.
Very nice!
The only thing I noticed in your video about the tear out was the fact that one example was on a piece of plywood and the other is on what looks like a pine board. Has the tear out repeated itself any more on similar wood types? I ask cause I am thinking about buying the HF dado stack.
Actually they are both pine. One is just the sanded down pine and the other was rougher. But neither was plywood.
I really like the harbor freight stack. I’m using the Freud now so I can give better info on a later date
@@epeiusgarage Ah ok. The look was a bit deceptive then. Yeah let me know. I will probably get the HF set just to keep costs down since I probably wont use it a whole lot. Maybe for 5 to 6 projects a year unless I get more into wood working.
@@TheJarhead320 it’s totally worth it if your only using it a few times a year. A lot of fun too. I plan on making a recap video in six months or so. I know I don’t like how the Freud are packaged so far. Takes longer to set them with half on one side and half on the other.
So I’m newish never done dados before. But what is the best table saw to be running dados on? I’m looking to purchase a new saw and want to get one that is best suited
Read the manual before buying one. You can find the manual on line. Make sure it can accommodate a dado stack. The smaller job site saws may not allow you to use one.
Thank you for the video, I am curious about the dog ears, I feel like I noticed dog ears created with the Harbor freight set in the video but not on the Freud set.
Thanks for watching! What do you mean by dog ears?
@@epeiusgarage Dogs ears, a/k/a as Bat ears by some, are the points created in the corners of a dado cut caused by the outside saw blades. To demonstrate, pick one of the dado stacks, and install it on your Table Saw. Set the stack for 1/2 cut. Grab a piece of scrap wood and cut a single wide dado through the wood. After you make the cut, do not pick up the wood, and leave it on the T/S away from the spinning blades. Turn off the saw. When the blades stop spinning, scrouch down until you are about eye level with the tops of the blade teeth. When you look across the top of the teeth, you will notice the left and right outer blade teeth come to a point on the outside edge. The chippers do not as they have a flat top. You will also notice these points on the outer blades are higher than the chipper flat tops. Now pick up the wood, and take a close look at dado cut. Keep the board with the open side of the dado cut facing down. If you look at the two upper corners of the cut, you will see a small "peak" cut in each corner. Those are the dog ears (or bat ears) Sean is talking about. On your video at about the 5:30 mark, where you talk about the Freud Dado stack leaving the grooves in the wider dado cut, those grooves are caused by those "pointy" outside blades as you make multiple passes.
Fun fact: the vast majority of dado stacks are made the same way and will do the same thing. Even high end blades from Forrest and Ridge Carbide.
Personally, I am not a fan of the Freud dado blades. Not because I don't like the blades (they are great blades), I don't like the low tooth count.
Greater possibility of tear out.
That's why I went with the dado stack from Oshlun.
@@barge7619 good to know. Yeah the blades are good I personally don’t like the way they are stored. Now that I’ve been using them awhile.
Good video, great info, but a better comparison for the HF Dado set at 24t would be the Freud SD508, making both blades tested 24t and 8in, I think this would bring the tearout under control or remove it completely for the Freud, the issue then becomes one of Price, the SD508 lists on Amazon for 179.97, more than three times the cost of the HF Dado set, making that a much more attractive option.
True! Thanks for watching
I have a DeWalt dado stack which looks just like the Freud and I have a lot of tear out too. It’s not very old either.
Oh yeah? Interesting, I appreciate you watching and the comment.
Andy
The biggest difference in a quality dato blade is the rake or angle of the teeth. A negative rake will always produce a cleaner cut. If you want a professional blade the king of the dato blades is the Forrest set.
I always thought that the cleanest cut is always the most positive (sharp) hook angle that you can get. Because you slice the wood fibers with a positive hook angle. The reason they don't use positive hook angle is because it is too aggressive, it cuts too fast, and it also dulls much faster since only a tiny part of the tooth is actually doing the cutting. If your tooth is angled the wrong way (backwards) with a negative rake, then the wood isn't being sliced anymore, it's being hacked away, but the blade lasts a lot longer. I watched a man review an expensive Forrest blade against a cheaper blade with a sharper positive hook angle, and the Forrest blade burned the wood and didn't cut very well.
I have nothing bad to say about HF but I do love my Freud blades.
I agree!
Idk, I’m not a dado expert, but from what I’ve read, the chippers should be ground to the same height as the raker teeth on the outer blades, so no grooves and a nice flat bottom. But, I don’t know of any way you’re going to know that they are till you take it home and try it.
Is the Admiral one as good as the Bauer one or is that one better?
They are both good in my opinion. It just depends on how much use you’re giving it. If not a lot the admiral is fine. If you’re going to be needing to resharpen the Freud is good for that.
I bought the HF brand from Home Depot several years ago, probably before HF carried them. I have been very happy with the set and haven’t experienced any issues, but don’t use them that much, not as much as I’d like anyway as I had a couple back surgeries which kept me out of the shop a few years. I’ve been looking to replace them just because I know they’re cheap and not worth having them sharpened. I was considering Oshlun, but not exactly sure. I do know I won’t be buying a $200 set any time soon!
I'm one minute in and I am going to go out on a limb and say that, you didn't find too much difference between the two brands. That said, if I was DADOing (is that even a word?) every day I would rather have the Freud set, simple as that.
I won't edit out my comment and my conclusion still stands. My Freud dado set arrived today but I'm laid up for a while with a bung leg. I'm keen to test the set and compare my test results with yours. I find it confusing that crosscut blades have more teeth yet a DADO set has way less even though many cuts will be across the grain. If you are correct though, there would be many complaints to Freud and I'm sure they would rectify this fault. I know one should push the work piece SLOWLY to help avoid tearout and I will be doing that. Also your now not quite new Admiral blades may just be "blunt" enough to help reduce tearout. Anyway, I'll soon find out for myself.
I love my Freud blades. That’s all I use now. I think ultimately if your only using dados now and again and are not getting a return on your investment then the Admiral blades are great and do just as they should. If you’re going to be using them enough to dull the blades then I’d go with the Freud.
Either way they are fun to use and I enjoy both sets.
Are you comparing cuts through solid lumber and plywood? One would expect more tear out when cutting a dado through plywood. For a fair comparison try cutting through the same material with each blade, my friend
It was the same. Your right different cuts with different material. So far three months and I still like the harbor better. Six months I’m going to do another update.
I love Freuds 10” saw blade
@@epeiusgarage Thank you for clarifying! BTW - I recently bought a Freud 6" dado stack for my table saw, and I absolutely love it. Amazing quality for the price.
@@e-vd they are quality. So far I don’t like the storage for them
Thanks for taking the time on testing them. I have been browsing through the comments and is there some one that trythem on hardwoods? Thanks
You resemble Billy from Smashing Pumpkins
Haha, I get Kenny Chesney a lot with my cowboy hat on.
Bc you’re using pine
Unfortunately did it on hard woods too🤷🏼♂️
@@epeiusgarage Yeah I’m sure. Not sure why I made that comment 🤷🏼♂️
@@alanmatthews9260 haha, that’s funny! I appreciate you watching and leaving a comment. 👍
Your test is invalid being that you are not using the same wood, plywood vs 1x.
I used zero plywood. It was all from the same piece of pine solid lumber.
You can't do an accurate compare vide when you don't use the same tooth count on a dado set your going to have skewed results.
"The Freud stack is made from carbide-tipped Italian tool steel. The harbor freight stack is made from bologna tipped with chiclets and the bone fragments of the previous owners that have already returned it a few times. Let's find out "