Tips & Tricks For FAT TIRES On An Electric Bike
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I love my fat tire e-bike. It has 26x4 fat tires and a torque sensor. I find the sweet spot for inflation to be 17 lbs. My travels are mostly on rural highways and I feel safe and confident with the large fat tires because I often have to go from the blacktop to the soft shoulder and back to move over for cars and trucks, and the fat tires handle the transition with ease and safety. And since I have upgraded the gearing on my e-bike to a proper 52T chainring with an 11-34 freewheel, the torque senser is an absolute joy to use now. No more ghost pedaling! I can now cruise at a comfortable speed of 25 mph verses the old 14 mph, and with my 20 Ah battery I can easily travel 50+ miles on a charge. With my new gearing and fat tires my e-bike now feels like a Ferrari with a good dose of Hummer rolled in lol! 😀👍 It's awesome. 😎
Are you having flat tires often?
Agree, the 3inch is a good compromise for street/trail (50psi). The huge disadvantage is that there are zero safe fat tires, the casing and tread are as thin as paper. Before riding my new Ebike I filled the tires with Flat-Out military grade flat sealant. It has been a year and no flats, road only (500miles). Comparatively, my off road conventional bicycle is a fat bike (26x4) I have had 5 flats this year (1000miles). Comparatively, my road bikes use 26x2 inch Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires, no flats in 4 years (5000 miles per year). I had a 3inch fat (26x3) that came with Duro tires, and what a fantastic mountain bike it was, heavy duty tires, 2 flats in 7 years (1000miles per year) But could not find replacement tires, Duro tires are the best in the world!!! and inexpensive. Why is it in the bike world the best products are shoved out of the way by new products that are advertised as the new and best, are not. Great tires are an extreme rarity. Tires on Ebikes and bicycles is the most important component for safety, fun, and convenience of not having to spend your time on the side of the road repairing flats.
I'm running 26x3" Duro Beach Bums, on my Cruiser, and must agree, mate, they're the closest to motorcycle-style durability, in a bicycle tyre, that I have found.
I have seen your tire advertised, good to know it is as high quality as mine! Isn't that a 3.5 inch wide tire? I think Duro is still making your tires. The tire I wanted was their DH Downhill tire, very difficult to find. @@jasonrivers7518
50 PSI (3.45 bar) is WAY too much on a 3-inch bicycle tire, that would be beyond even the max allowed limit on my bicycle tires.
For up in Alberta Canada, I use a 26" fat tire for when I'm out before the plows
I use 30 psi on my 20 by 3 e bike. Like the handling and lower rolling resistance.
Wish there was a video to go from a 20 to a 24.
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I just purchased how to build your own battery packs on Amazon. One because I like learning and two to support your endeavours. Keep it coming!
Thanks for your support, I appreciate it!
I found your video very helpful, as a disabled veteran i am looking for ways to get back to work again, and the e bike seemed like a viable option. Knowing the 3.0 inch tire width provides a happy balance is a plus.
Thanks for all you do Micah, I bought my fat tire bike two years ago after watching your videos. It is a blast to ride, guaranteed smiles! I rarely use the throttle because of the awesome torque sensor. I consider it an ultra lightweight motorcycle that I control the power with my feet by peddling. Dual batteries, dual motors and full suspension.
FlatOut Sportsman Formula - absolutely phenomenal product. Never dries out, which is a problem with Slime🫠. A very eye-opening experience for me was when I drained my innertube of the FlatOut to recapture it, and then filling the tube with air and counting how many punctures the innertube actually endured. I had no clue that there were any holes in the innertube prior to draining the FlatOut. This stuff is absolute magic.
You neglected to mention a pump, so you can reinflate when you get back to the road from off roading. I'm guessing you're talking about tubless tires because the pressures you mentioned seem low to me. A spare tube or 2 would be wise for off roading and/or a puncture repair kit (for tubeless tires).
If I get more than a mile from paved roads I take spares of most things, including a chain, a couple of spokes, tire brush &, in winter, some warming pads.
That's a great point. I've been testing a few tiny pumps for just that purpose, hopefully I'll have some cool stuff to feature soon.
You know, there's a way not to get stranded with a flat battery.
Use the pedals as intended...
Good luck pedaling one of these obese monstrosities. If I'm not comfortable pedaling an e-bike for 10 miles without the battery, I don't consider it.
@@47f0 The point of a bike is to exercise by pedalling while going somewhere, the electric motor is meant to be an assistance.
If you think it's the other way around, you're failing at life...
E-bikes are not bikes, not motorcycles, not cars. For some people and some situations they are the perfect tool. Do you not ride a car because you might run out of gas?
You can get good exercise on an ebike, it is a lot easier to do on bikes with torque sensors. And, guess what, not all of the population is young and fit . Just wait until you get old. For a lot of us, the choice is between riding an ebike and not riding at all.
@@FMuscleZ28good luck pedaling for prolonged periods of time on a ebike with a recuperating wheel, it's like riding a resistance training machine. I work on me ebike and am extremely fit, shit can be better than walkimg on flat terrain, but the second there's an uphill section I jump off and take a walk
I run 26x3" Duro Beach Bums slicks, fantastic! Good luck fixing a rear flat on the road with a hub drive, use Slime.
Thanks for this notions !
Nice! These are all great tips and will be helpful to think about and look into.
Great tips, I have seen fat tires around but I did not know what makes them special until now, thanks.
Good stuff and interestingly presented....as usual. Thanks. I also installed Tannus liners on my Aniioki A8's 20"X4" tires. Great for confidence.
great video! i also love the look, ride and the handling i got on my cargo ebike.
Great info, I definitely learned quite a bit.
Congratulations Stephen, I hope the bike truly improves the quality of your life, and that things get better for your future. Peace.
I got my Juiced Bikes RipCurrent S Fat Tire E-Bike in November 2019 (a "Black Friday" sale) and have averaged about 5K miles on it each year since the 2020 riding season according to my Riding App's. I'd like to add a couple of things to this "Fat Tire" E-Bike subject. About 95% of my riding is on improved Biking Trails or Roads and for that reason I run "Street" 26" x 4.0" Fat tires, usually Origin8 Supercell's or VEE Tire "Zig Zag's". both are Excellent Street Fat Tires.
You mentioned that the "rolling resistance" is quite high in E-Bike Fat Tires and therefore your Battery Watt/Hrs consumption rate is going to be higher than standard Street Tires, this is Very True. It's True because your "footprint" of Rubber in contact w/ the Road/Trail is much larger than standard tires, weights & tire pressures being equal. Ever tried riding your Fat tire E-bike w/o Power assist ? You'll be lucky to get past 5th gear, it's Very much a Workout.
So, the other side effect of having a Larger tire "footprint" on the ground is that you WILL pick up more Flats. It's pure physics, the more area your tire puts to pavement, the more likely you're going to pick up a nail or wire or whatever can get thru to the Tube (or No Tube for those who like to experiment). I Hate Flats, even though I'm fully tire assemblies start to prepared to deal w/ them on the Trail.
Yes, I've tried every sort of Tire Sealant out there and I have my favorite, but, you're STILL going to get those bigger punctures that nearly All sealants just bypass. This gets into my second point. Fat Bike Tires are More Likely to run out of Ballance, simply due to all that added weight of the Wheel & Tire. I've felt badly unbalanced Wheel/Tire assemblies start to Shake & Vibrate around 20-22mph. If you're Lucky, the Tire/Wheel assy will somehow come out closer to a decent Balanced condition and these Vibrations might not be felt until you get over 25mph. So, adding the appropriate amount of liquid Tire sealant, usually around 6 to 8 oz for 26" Fat tires, Will go a Long ways towards "auto-balancing" your Fat Tire assy.
I was getting a Flat 2 or 3 times a month, all on the Rear Tire (w/ only one slow leak on the Front tire in 20K miles), and so I invested in a Tannus Armour Tire Insert for the Rear tire only. It Works, as I went an entire season, about 6K miles, w/o a flat and finally got a slow leak that allowed me to make it home. These Tannus Armour Inserts are NOT maintenance free but w/ proper care, you will avoid the vast majority of Flats. There's a tradeoff w/ these Inserts and Most people who've reviewed these foam Inserts have nothing but Bad things to say but in nearly Every Case, they didn't read the instructions fully.
Enjoy all your videos and always learn something, too!
Love my 4x20s on my Revv1. Defiantly did the second battery. Also did the Tannus Armour after a rear flat… no fun. The Tannus Armour and Flat Out do make the ride feel very different but gives a sense of safety
Was someone trying to stop you from doing the second battery?
Great infomation. Thank you for your work on this channel, I am sure you are making a difference in the world.
Keep the videos coming fun to watch.
I have a 4x20 and a 4x26 bike, and they handle really well - but the 26 took some time to get used to. But off-road it is more benign going over irregularities, and it's better on going straight - turning is harder.
I wanted to add, on road, I feel better in rain or with strong wind with the fat tyres. More friction, more stability.
Great explanations overall, thank you.
I think that they should make a 24"×3" tire ebike. To me, it would be the perfect size for on or off road.
Great video. Thank you for what you do. I've never had an e-bike, but would really love to one day. And if I ever can, I would be getting a fat Tire bike. Watching your videos, and seeing the passion in what you do is awesome. Keep up the great work.
As a new rider to the world of 4" tires what are proactive steps we can take to reduce flat tires? As always thanks for all information you give us newer ebike riders.
Fat tires need fat motors as well, try pedaling a heavy fat tire with no motor assistance and you realize how diff it is to do so.
The 26 inch tires are actually 31
Inches in diameter. Stand over
Height can be a problem. The
Larger tires do roll over obstacles on trails with roots and rocks. Great info. Thanks 😊
Hi Micah,
I found your channel on E-bikes I love it.
I was watching the first video of how to turn a standard bike into a e-bike, but I can’t find the second video showing how to do it.
I’m 69 years old I love bike riding, but my knees don’t care for it. I was hoping a e-bike would bring the fun back into it. I’m only 4’11”; I’m totally confused on the size of the bike. Plus I 2:06 can’t spend a $1000.00 on one. I was looking at the ones you said stay away from😂😂.
If you can direct me to the second half of turning a bike into a e-bike; my grandson said if I bought all the parts he would do it for me.
Thank you, I love your videos. Very informative and fun!😊
Dude all your video are so great keep up the great reviews learned so much from watching your video 👍
good tips as always dude. I totally dig what you said about that sweet spot with the tires.
I ve got a 20' bmx that I converted to e-bike. as someone who's always preferred bmx because they are more compact and nimble than mtb but also, like mtb, capable of jumps and bunny hops for fun.
I only ride pro grade bmx for quality and endurance. I wouldnt trust a Walmart bike as a frame for an ebike.
anyways, I got the widest I could find that would fit the fork, wich was 20x2.75. makes a big difference as far as shock absorption since I have no shocks. If I'm going the distance on smooth road, I raise the psi closer to the stated max to reduce rolling resistance.
You're channel has been a great reference for me over the years.
Keep rolling brother!
👍😎👍
Great as always Micah
Super info, thank you for all your experience. Love to have this bike. Joe it does to a great home. Best wishes
Good tips!!
I am having a good experience ordering a Nesher 800!
It would be great to get a book!!
Very informative!!
I love the giveaway you're doing!!!
Great Job Micah, I looking at buying an ebike, to use for hunting. Enkoyed all you're information.
That is a very Nice looking Bike. Thanks for Sharing.
Great tips! I also like 20" tire sizes. Our current e-bikes have 20" x 3.3" tires and I like how they handle.
What kind of tires are those 3.3"s?
@@tenncutt The tires are from Kenda. I'm not sure of the model.
I found that the problem with my pedal powerered fat bike is that the 26"x4" tires are very thin and fall victim to "puncture vine" / "caltrop"; an invasive weed. The spikes easily penetrate the tires as I discovered when crossing some grassed park and then found more along the beach dunes. I had to use "Slime" to seal the multiple pin holes. This is the biggest problem, here in tropical Australia: caltrop vine lurking in the sand dunes along the beaches.
After much experimentation, I found tire pressures between 12 and 18 psi were best for hard road surfaces. A compromise between drag and comfort. Lower pressures on beach or mud were always offset by the need to traverse many km on bitumen. So: carry a small pump and pressure gauge.
Down south, we know this weed as 3 corner jacks, I carry more than a pump - patch kit and spanner
As my only transportation and the distances I have to travel to get groceries, VA appointments which are over 20 miles one way, battery life is my number one concern.
Damn, I know this is an old video now, but it's info was amazing for me, I'm in a category of unfit (point of no return) and needing to change that, so I maxed out my PayPal Credit and got the Himiway Big Dog for the 400lbs weight capacity, it arrived today, took me 2 hours to assemble, got all my gear on, got on the bike (not been on one for 20 years) and thought I could just simply ride away... Nope, I was unstable, shakey, off balance, struggled to find my footing on the pedals and tipped over twice (without falling off). I clearly needed some info, I found your vid and I will Aid me a lot in terms of preparation and getting back into it.
great advice thanks
Great review! what kind of e-bike would be best for off road tree seedball distribution in Kenya - lots of thorns, rocks etc.
Don't forget to familiarize yourself with changing a fat tire which is significantly more difficult than a "normal" sized bike tire. It's also a good idea to carry a spare tube and a way to pump up the tire.
Significantly more difficult how? I would say its definitely a good idea to be familiar with how to do the rear wheel.
I would say it's way easier to change a fat tire as I don't even need any tools to change a fat tire
@@ferguson8143 Well if its a quick release front wheel but other then that you need tools to take wheel off. I have never done the rear so worried when that happens with the hub motor wires and locking stuff but only worried because I haven't done it yet and sure its me making it seem way more difficult in my mind and probably no big deal. What bike do you have? I have a wired freedom.
@@rabbithomesteading3797 it's a little tricky I think you should do it at home so you don't have to learn during an emergency 😉
Good advice. I'm a fairly experienced MTB rider. I just picked up a Quietkat Jeep ebike for overlanding/ off road and bumpy trails. I put nicer 4.8" tires with Tannus Armor on the 26" wheels. Coming from lighter "acoustic" 26"-27.5" mountain bikes, those giant tires sure do demand a larger turning radius. I took it for a ride in the neighborhood. On the street, I took it around a corner at an intersection at a reasonable speed. I wasn't expecting as much of a fight to run a tight turn and it resulted in a much wider turn. Kinda caught me off guard.
I love the cushy feel of the full suspension and fat tires, but I sure learned that if I ever get a city ebike cruiser, it'll have the smaller tires mentioned. Big tires look cool as heck and work great off road/ overlanding, but if you want to be able to turn fast, gotta go smaller.
As far as tools, i have a knife on my left lower leg pocket, and a multitool & lighter on my right lower leg pocket. I also have a bag mounted to my bike with a set of tools. A wrench, vice grip pliers, a full set of hex wrenches, screwdriver with removable bits and a full set of bits, zip ties, a box cutter, and some epoxy. I also keep a lock on a sock in my right pocket for self defense. I also have thigh pockets. One pocket has a bunch of paper towels for blowing/wiping my nose and when its hot, the other one has a small towel for wiping sweat.
My pannier also has a jacket for when its colder than expected, 2 spare inner tubes, a flat repair kit, fully-charged inflation device, chain+lock, anti-fog spray, alternate glasses (i have clear, yellow, dark variations of the same model that i can swap based on need), bungie cords, a spare powerbank with microusb and usbc cables. I also have 4 water bottle mounts. 2 on my extended handlebar stem, and one on each side of the lower frame near the front that I will be installing soon. My frame has an extra battery mounted on top, with a power bank mounted on top of that, fully sealed to be waterproof with cables going to a control panel I made that lets me toggle the charging of each device (headlight, rear view camera, speaker, and phone). I have also made a cable that I call "the hydra" it connects to the power bank and has its own own on/off switch then splits off to the 2 rear turn signals, 2 front turn signals, turn signal controller, and 2 hanging microusb ends for charging the turn signals that are mounted to my helmet, with rubber covers attached for when not in use, as the bike and every device mounted to it has been sealed airtight to make everything waterproof. The charging cables are also bonded to each device with epoxy. Since theyre always connected, the control panel lets me decide when to charge them with the push of a button. I also have a custom made usb dongle connected to the power bank which briefly draws 5 volts of power every few seconds to keep the power bank from shutting off. This always-on device prevents the power bank from turning off.
I have built up this loadout based on need for tactical preparedness and bad experiences.
👍🏽🙏🏽 congratulations Stephan praying for you
Had fat tires on a Honda Ruckus gas scooter and loved them so pretty sure that's what I want in a Ebike tire.
I've got a big tire on the rear as in my case - a foldable bike - that's where all the weight is: hub motor, big battery, rider. In the front I get away with a thin road tire and it helps with handling and feeling the road better.
I have fat bike with 26 x 4.5 inch tires that I use almost exclusively in snow, so the extra size and width are important.
However it is worth emphasizing that fat tires greatly increase the size and weight of the bike. This is especially true of the 27.5 inch tires, as that creates a super long bike that would not even fit on my Kuat bike rack. And most of these bikes are heavy, so getting them on and off bike racks or on pickup trucks takes some strength.
Another tip is that the range can vary enormously from one ride to the next. Riding in soft snow quickly runs down the battery while riding on hard pack can get you three times the range. So it is wise to keep that in mind when setting out on a ride.
Thank you!
I own a Keppler fat tire ebike. I am curious about what tires other than fat tires I can put on my bike and how that would change the riding characteristics and the range. Thank you.
Those are great tips to remember.
What do you think about 24x3 fat-tire e-bikes? Have a 20x4 right now but have been wondering if that's maybe the sweet-spot for me. Since you like the 20x3 so much was wondering what you think about that?
I use 26 X3, and it's awesome, for road use...
Good stuff. I have 26x4 and it seems like a huge monster truck overkill. I do offroad it but I wonder if 26x3 would be better? Idk.
27.5 x 2.8 seen to be the best from what I've seen out on the trails
Hi Micah. Do you know any battery technologies there are less dangerous (fires), there can replace Lithium ion?
Psi? I swapped my Lectric knobby tires for Street as the contact patch is much better on grip plus efficiency. But they aren't as rigid so I'm worried at what low PSI is dangerous at 25mph? The knobby were like ice on a certain hard-wet road.
Thank you
if you ride on the beach, is it a good idea to rinse off the gears/chain, etc once your done?
You had a great videos
An owner of a Fat Tire bike will get less Mileage from their ei-bike compared to those who have hybrid tire widths on their e-bikes
Merry Christmas and great to get the super important tips for my fat tires because I wondered why it felt funny
Another benefit to phat tires on small diameter rims is that it makes the bike easier to balance for noobs and non-riders. And they help us more serious riders recognize those folks and know to avoid getting too close.
Any reason why you never reviewed the Wallke X3 Pro? I saw you had one in one of your videos.
I'm looking for an electric trike that's not high to step into. I'm disabled and currently use a 4 wheel mobility scooter. I want to go more places. Any recommendations?
Can a 3" tire be used on a bike designed for 20 x 4"tires? How wheels designed for 26 x 4" tires? I'm looking for easier pedaling and longer range for mostly pavement and possibly a little dirt and gravel riding.
Hi, good idea about having a spare 20$ in the emergency kit. I'm going to do this. Thank you for this video 😎
I wish your giveaways were available in Canada!
Hi guys, I'm writing to you from Italy. I have a fst ebike 20 x 4.0, could I install 3.0 tires?
I had wondered about fat tires, I did not expect to be able to run that low on tire pressure. Makes sense though
My friend bought a similar bike like this. Problem is. The front tire when you air it up the tire seems to big for the rim and allows the tube to stick out from between the rim and tire. Rear tire doesn't have this problem. Any ideas?
I like your program it's very entertaining and one day I would love to have an e-bike but they're way too
What do you recommen for tire psi in rad trike. Tires say 40 to65 psl thats awide range thanks gregg
Sllime or FixAFlat is essential on fatbike tires.
Woot I love Books!!!!!
My story is I've got fat tyre bike 20x4 ins tyres my problem is can't ride bike seat or what I shoud be say is the distance from seat to peddle is to short in trying to heighten my seat using pvc so I've gained 3ins still my knee comes to high. I'm 5ft 7ins these bikes from China there for people 5ft2or3ins. That bike you are giving away looks better to peddle by the way I'm 75yrs old I've had ebikes for years well about five mostly kits from China I bought this bike from amazon so I've done the bike yup a bit I love fabricateing change and work the job out. I watch all your videos because you have great ideas like what you said in this vidio I wish we had the same weather even in summer ists not hot all the time the UK we get to much rain no good for ebikes merry Xmas
Re pressure, I live in the north north, where there is a mix of asphalt, gravel, sand, and tundra, with snow and ice much of the year. How can I realistically change the pressure so often?
There are some very small electric pumps, I’m talking pocket sized. Those can be handy if you want to increase pressure while you’re out and about.
Great
I bought the diy electric battery and love it!
I like the rim design
I have an e-bike that I bought almost a year ago now. My situation is lack of bike shops and most you find, want nothing to do with e-bikes. The situation is even worse because of a lack of an owner's manual that covers operations, scheduled maintenance, and repairs. Are there any manuals available that cover generic e-bikes? Yes, I did go with 4" fat tires because the roads around here are horrible!!! Harpo Marx can make a musical instrument of my 10-speed 27" English racer with 1.25" wheels, by plucking the spokes! LoL
hey great video i just got a rad runner 3 for my wife to get to work. wee are trying to get 2 for both us to ride together
loved it, now i know my tire with confadence
Would love to win this bike and or also a battery building book. Keep up the great videos
Do you have any suggestions for keeping your pedals from scraping on a powered turn on 20" wheels? The best I've come up with is to make a much wider turn or to bring the pedal on the inside of the turn to the top and use the throttle to maintain power. A 26" wheel gives a couple of extra inches for pedal clearance, which makes it seem more nimble on the turns.
Can you get shorter crank arms?
Yes you definitely want to always make a habit of bringing your inside pedal up. I generally just go pedals flat (9 and 3 o-clock when viewed from the side) in a turn since I'm never taking a sharp enough turn that I'll drag a pedal that's halfway up.
They are also great for when it bursts into flames it'll make a much nicer fire!
My HJM ebike came with 26X4 INCH TIRES. Can I safely mount and ride 3 inch wide tires on the rims that had 4" tires on them?
Yes
@@tenncutt- I would say that is borderline, depending on the actual rim width. I think Continental has a decent reference for rim width versus tire size. Sheldon Brown may also have a page on the subject.
Worst case, lace up a set of rims appropriate for the tires you want.
EDIT: Also keep in mind that changing the tire size will affect your top speed and odometer. If you have a programmable controller, you may be good, otherwise, putting smaller tires on will shave a little bit off your top speed, and cause your speedometer and odometer readings to be off a bit.
Great tip on tire pressure, and I did not know you can go so low.
I would definitely.like to win one of the books. Either the DIY Solar Power or the E-Bike Guide.
I love the information from your video's. Have any videos showing the cheapest power station solar setup to charge my Lectric 3.0? (fixed income)👍✌🖖🚴♂🥃 would love to win a book😜
Knife? No. Air pump, Yes! Bring your pump silly
Hiding a $20 is the oldest & best survival trick....
You don't just carry your wallet so you have ID on you in case something happens?
That survival trick is so old that $20 is no longer adequate to get you out of most tough situations.
I like the looks of20 inch bikes.
anyone doing offroading should bring a small bike toolkit with a patch kit/extra tube tbh
Thanks for the knowledge. I own a fat tire.
Nice bike
Please do a nother video about
Chang li truck
How much better are fat tires in the snow? Is there really that much more grip?
Congrats Stephen F on getting the bike win