Dude went from breaking a couple carabiners to best store in the US while still breaking those carabiners, and ropes, and slings, and blocking devices..... what a ride
Classic turtle technique put everything you need in your farmer John roll cuffs on the legs a couple times put a twist in the arm holes and slide your leg straps in hope that helps
Yes! I love CE4Y ropes, but I hate that all the names rhyme, it gets very confusing. Thanks for carrying it now and showing the tests on it. I like that Brent is testing his Rapid Eight block. I prefer the Euro Eight Block and love it as the three daisy chain loops add better security while still being quick release. It's taking a while to fully catch on but I expect it will be the standard eight block in swift water canyoning in no time.
I've been using this setup for the last year or two for tree climbing as srs moving anchor system in a texas tug configuration. Stoked you're testing it.
In the context of climbing, I believe this system would be a safe releasable rappel system at the end of a TRS ? Do the rapid 8 knot with some tail and a stopper knot at the dead end side of the rope, attach a cord to the carabiner (otherwise can't retrieve it once you're down!), rappel down, pull on the cord and there you go? How would it compare to a biner block ? I think I can trust that better than say a beal escaper...
Love the canyoneering videos, and the behind the scenes! Honestly wish you guys had stock to buy into cause the store is only gonna continue to grow ;)
I was shown the last one you tested, as a veriable friction belay abseil device, with a traditional round figure 8, but you'd clip into your harness with the carabina (which means the direction of pull should be the top of the crag/wall....... if it isn't, turn gravity back on QWICK!!!). So the idea is that you lift the small eye (or "handle") up, towards your top anchour and you have maximum friction, you pull that handle (small eye) down to reduce friction. Just remember that pushing your "handle" up, for max friction, doesn't mean that you can let go of 😅. If you do want to let go, push the handle up, then tie it off properly because you only want to die once at a very old age surrounded by your family!!!
last night I fall asleep watching one of those video and I dreamed you tested the core and the sheath separately.. Do we know what's the breaking point of sheath alone?
Unfortunately I’m not familiar with the characteristics of those canyon ropes. I’m assuming they’re “dry” ropes. But testing where they slip when the whole system is wet would be the test test, considering the conditions it’ll be used in
If the figure 8 doesn’t make sold contact with the ring, the figure 8 block fails catastrophically. This is very likely the cause of a recent fatality in Moab. It’s been known to result in fatality before as well. If the ring is not free hanging, the figure 8 may not make flush solid contact with the ring.
Man I’d LOVE to be able to buy your products in Europe. I’ve been watching all your videos for a while Becouse you are the only ones making this test. Also here in Spain we don’t have some of the cool gadgets that u use like the palikoa.
I thought you were going to test the mechanics of the Munter Mule Overhand in this video. Would make an interesting video! Some people add a lot of backups to it, I wonder if they're really necessary or if the overhand at the end is already enough.
Parachute triple rings are about "the" ultimate in releasable systems. I have made a rope version using cascading sizes of rope spliced into each other, not saying the rope version is the ultimate, but it can withstand some reasonable forces without getting jammed.. AIRCRAFT seatbelts, take the cake for jam resistance - but not stability and redundancy. For friction load limiter - a person doesn't have 2kN of weight force.. (inexperienced people on a rappel, need tailtending, or another belay - safety person, not device. NB, SMALLER line, more wraps??...
Small hole on fig8 is to small for 10+ diameter ropes... Little hard to rig, but very easy to use ... With different rope or descender, it would be great
Can you do some tests with the CEM Releasable Knot? I've been wanting to use it for rope retrieval when soloing, but haven't gotten comfortable with it yet.
Have you ever tested what I'm going to call a "factor 4 fall"? i.e. a factor 2 fall when tied into two systems that have been carefully set up so that they are both the same length? I guess its just like having a thicker/more static rope?
Qualify this by noting that I haven’t climbed a day in my life and if there’s a reason for it, I don’t know it, but it feels like having all of the CE4Y ropes named with rhyming words could maybe be a bad call?
Grigris are only rated to 8.9 mm, and canyoneering often uses smaller rope than that. Additionally, the impacts of getting pulled down a waterfall/rock face would likely lead significant damage since they're much more fragile than a sold aluminum 8.
Dude went from breaking a couple carabiners to best store in the US while still breaking those carabiners, and ropes, and slings, and blocking devices..... what a ride
A nice video for the kids to explain to them the nature of the friction coefficient.
It drops with temperature, lots, enough to count sometimes.
You should've shown that wetsuit backpack in more detail, I watched that part 20 times trying to figure it out and still have no idea 😂 Looks cool!
Classic turtle technique put everything you need in your farmer John roll cuffs on the legs a couple times put a twist in the arm holes and slide your leg straps in hope that helps
Thanks for being the best UA-cam channel and store in climbing right now!
As a person who loves the videos but has no climbing experience, I really appreciated the useability of the rigging in situ before the testing.
I like a rappel that will gently lower me to the ground like an escalator.
Everyone gets mad when someone suggests that we should build stairs up Everest.
@@Name-ot3xw - that is what happens on an annual basis. (Permanence is not a guarantee in such locstions...)
@@kadmow That's fair, let's do a gondola instead.
I haven’t watched the video yet, my hypothesis is that it will break in the knot 😂
lol you should probably watch the video. This technique doesn’t use a knot.
Lol good one
Ha!
You should get a infrared thermometer just to see how hot those ropes are
Yes! I love CE4Y ropes, but I hate that all the names rhyme, it gets very confusing. Thanks for carrying it now and showing the tests on it.
I like that Brent is testing his Rapid Eight block. I prefer the Euro Eight Block and love it as the three daisy chain loops add better security while still being quick release. It's taking a while to fully catch on but I expect it will be the standard eight block in swift water canyoning in no time.
I've been using this setup for the last year or two for tree climbing as srs moving anchor system in a texas tug configuration. Stoked you're testing it.
In the context of climbing, I believe this system would be a safe releasable rappel system at the end of a TRS ? Do the rapid 8 knot with some tail and a stopper knot at the dead end side of the rope, attach a cord to the carabiner (otherwise can't retrieve it once you're down!), rappel down, pull on the cord and there you go? How would it compare to a biner block ? I think I can trust that better than say a beal escaper...
Love the canyoneering videos, and the behind the scenes! Honestly wish you guys had stock to buy into cause the store is only gonna continue to grow ;)
I was shown the last one you tested, as a veriable friction belay abseil device, with a traditional round figure 8, but you'd clip into your harness with the carabina (which means the direction of pull should be the top of the crag/wall....... if it isn't, turn gravity back on QWICK!!!). So the idea is that you lift the small eye (or "handle") up, towards your top anchour and you have maximum friction, you pull that handle (small eye) down to reduce friction. Just remember that pushing your "handle" up, for max friction, doesn't mean that you can let go of 😅. If you do want to let go, push the handle up, then tie it off properly because you only want to die once at a very old age surrounded by your family!!!
Big takeaway is: Never rappel at old age with all your family tied to you.
I had my hair caught up in my friction knot once. Once.
How does bald suit you?
I told you to shave that back hair. But you didn’t listen.
Would be interesting repeating the test with different 8 and with Korda’s ropes, the most popular canyoning rope brand.
These are very useful! Also, you should put a laser thermometer on those ropes to see how hot they actually get.
You’re in Issaquah. It always fun to find out a UA-cam channel is local.
last night I fall asleep watching one of those video and I dreamed you tested the core and the sheath separately.. Do we know what's the breaking point of sheath alone?
it would be interesting to put a friction device and load cell on the tail to see what ratio of pull on the tail to load on the rope stops the slip.
Unfortunately I’m not familiar with the characteristics of those canyon ropes. I’m assuming they’re “dry” ropes. But testing where they slip when the whole system is wet would be the test test, considering the conditions it’ll be used in
If the figure 8 doesn’t make sold contact with the ring, the figure 8 block fails catastrophically. This is very likely the cause of a recent fatality in Moab. It’s been known to result in fatality before as well. If the ring is not free hanging, the figure 8 may not make flush solid contact with the ring.
Man I’d LOVE to be able to buy your products in Europe. I’ve been watching all your videos for a while Becouse you are the only ones making this test. Also here in Spain we don’t have some of the cool gadgets that u use like the palikoa.
I'm used the Quick line and the Sick line but i think the sick line is most quick than the Quick line
Thanks for the great videos! You only have the CE4Y ropes on the product links and forgotten to add Glacier Black.
I thought you were going to test the mechanics of the Munter Mule Overhand in this video. Would make an interesting video! Some people add a lot of backups to it, I wonder if they're really necessary or if the overhand at the end is already enough.
Can you check out the Double Dragon knott please on its use and breaking strength and if what you would use it for please!
How does the friction change when the rope is wet?
I'm wondering how much water will squeeze/pump out if the tail is submerged.
And if it could be an effective step in the cleaning process.
awesome, can we have more tests on the Italian 8 please im particularly interested in how well it works in double as a shift anchor?
Parachute triple rings are about "the" ultimate in releasable systems. I have made a rope version using cascading sizes of rope spliced into each other, not saying the rope version is the ultimate, but it can withstand some reasonable forces without getting jammed..
AIRCRAFT seatbelts, take the cake for jam resistance - but not stability and redundancy.
For friction load limiter - a person doesn't have 2kN of weight force.. (inexperienced people on a rappel, need tailtending, or another belay - safety person, not device.
NB, SMALLER line, more wraps??...
did you ever break an MMO? I'd be interested to see a side by side comparison.
Isn't that just a Euro 8 block ("daisy chain") without the extra two macrame bights?
Is not the same because of the extra friction loop but similar
Small hole on fig8 is to small for 10+ diameter ropes... Little hard to rig, but very easy to use ... With different rope or descender, it would be great
Has How Not 2 ever tested the Alpine Clutch?
Would be real interesting, since I've had to use it a few times
Can you do some tests with the CEM Releasable Knot? I've been wanting to use it for rope retrieval when soloing, but haven't gotten comfortable with it yet.
Have you ever tested what I'm going to call a "factor 4 fall"?
i.e. a factor 2 fall when tied into two systems that have been carefully set up so that they are both the same length?
I guess its just like having a thicker/more static rope?
Qualify this by noting that I haven’t climbed a day in my life and if there’s a reason for it, I don’t know it, but it feels like having all of the CE4Y ropes named with rhyming words could maybe be a bad call?
Surprised that the size and material doesn't make THAT big of a difference
Please ship worldwide!
What country are you in. We got Canada, Australia, and most of Europe now
At first I was wondering why a bunch of guys were hanging out on a hill in drysuits.
Oh yea, canyoneering is a sport huh?
For people who don't know how to go up things lol
Umm naive climber question why not a grigri in this scenario?
Grigris are only rated to 8.9 mm, and canyoneering often uses smaller rope than that. Additionally, the impacts of getting pulled down a waterfall/rock face would likely lead significant damage since they're much more fragile than a sold aluminum 8.
The issue with rappelling on a single strand while blocking is that if you are pulling the rope down through any kind of crevice it can get stuck.
First. Thanks guys