Personally I think Hosea found his own redemption in helping Abigail escape the Pinkertons. There’s a lot of parallels in both Arthur and Hosea’s stories. In game they can both be found having conversations about their lives as outlaws, how Abigail sees Hosea as a father figure, and how Hosea wants Abigail to take Jack and leave the life. Abigail also avenges Hosea by killing Milton, similar to how John kills Micah. Hosea is also seen having coughing fits, and talks about he wants to make sure the people in his life are safe before he dies.
He might gave been a bad man but he has good morals, that's what made us love some many members of the van der line gang, it was Dutch and Micah who caused most of the deaths of the members and the innocents to get killed. Which gave them their bad name and ultimately led to the downfall of the gang.
The Uncle dying during production level really got me. Brings a whole new level of respect to his character I never had before. Now I can look at him other than a drunk who’s terminally ill with Lumbago.
I like to think that Uncle is the Harlow of the RDR universe and that his true back story is very different from the story presented in Revolver. I like to think that he was most likely a sometime bounty hunter that bushwhacked a railroad executive over the murder of his parents and who made himself disappear when his legend grew out of his control. His lumbago is most likely a result of a degenerative spinal condition that developed as a result of having spent too much time in the saddle in his younger years. This was not uncommon during the late 19th century and it fits with the idea that Harlow spent a lot of time as an itinerant cow puncher and saddle tramp during many years on the run. I don't believe that he is altogether faking it, but I do believe that he deliberately cultivates the gang's underestimation of him. The thing about Uncle that most interests me is the length he goes to in order to hide his true identity. He doesn't even have a proper name. None of the other characters go to so much trouble to conceal who they are. I think that Uncle does that because were he to reveal his true name, it would be recognized instantly.
5:14 I love the way John says "Just seems familiar" because John is familiar with death having killed many in his life as an outlaw from a very young age.
@@sdp640 yes that's right, so do you think rdr3 will be a prequel again? Im thinking of this because john said that for a reason, he might have seen strange man in the past. Only thing is we don't know yet.
It's sad that Guarma got nerfed so hard. R* did an amazing job capturing the beautiful view and at the same time keeping that scary and alien feeling. I hoped to see more of it or at least revisit the area.
@@MatthewSanthos In the circumstance we find it, I agree--though I assume it's meant to be that way. Were Guarma a manifestation of Dutch's "Tahiti," however, it would move the plot perfectly according to *plan*.
Not sure if it’s patched now but back in the beta days of RDO there was a glitch/bug where if you drowned in a certain spot in the river it would spawn you on the Mexican side of the border. I traveled far enough out of bounds that the map randomly transitioned into Guarma and I was allowed to fully explore it. Brought back some exotic animal meat with me lol
the New Bordeaux thing is interesting because it's the name of the New Orleans equivalent city in Mafia III; the Mafia series is owned by 2K Games, the sister publisher of Rockstar Games. Mafia 3 was released in October 2016 so I'm guessing development overlapped between the two games and someone made a phone call to the other asking them to change the names.
That’s exactly what happened actually. Rockstar had originally named Saint Denis, New Bordeaux, but decided to change it due to the fear of copyright. Rockstar however, wasn’t actually told by 2K to take it down
@@The_Berserker28 wouldve been cool actually if they were both connected and mafia 3 in early development was actually supposed to be set in 1890s new orleans until it was changed to the 60s
I do think at a certain point in the early development they tinkered with the idea of playing as Arthur, Sadie, and Charles, later switching to John. Though I think they realized this would have impacted the story they wanted to tell and scrapped it early on.
It's possible character 1/2 are related to your red dead online characters, as GTA online had 2 character slots and it's likely RDO originally had 2 as well. And the game has to keep track of your weight, cores, appearance, etc. so that data has to be stored somewhere and one of those character slots makes sense
@@JulioCesar-iu1wi I highly doubt Micah or Dutch were ever considered as playable characters, given one is a straight up antagonist and the other is the next closest thing.
Another thing to add with the "Bill is gay!" thing is the optional camp mission where you retrieve hair pomade for Bill. Arthur teases Bill about it before and after he gets him the pomade and Bill is very bashful. Bill definitely wants to impress someone. Maybe it's Kieran? Who knows, but it's another fun clue to look into.
I think Rockstar tried to twist his character to fit the now prominent "woke" culture that's being pushed, it's said in rdr1 that he and his gang have raped women in number only the lord may know, it also explains the censoring in the recent GTA Trilogy, it is sad that game devs will ruin their already written characters to fit certain "cultures" For example see this video where they're clearly pushing the narrative that he's gay ua-cam.com/video/3EzpKJ41uLg/v-deo.html I don't care if a video game character is gay, but the problem is that he wasn't written as so in rdr1 why ruin his characteristics now? And no its nor about different time of release because rdr1 heavily implied that the Mexican general had something with his male servant.
Wow, dude, this feels so surreal to me. I’ve watched your videos for years, and to see one based on something I’ve made is just insane to me. Thank you so much for covering this iceberg, it was well and truly worth the wait
The Saint Denis ghost appeared during the mission where you’re looking for grave diggers, so I ran after her and kept searching for a solid five minutes before giving up
Been playing this game for years and haven't had her show up visibly. Have heard her a few times though. Same with the ghost train. I never seem to get there at the right time lol
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 me too, dressed in black, panicking and running away right when we spotted her. i legit chased her but she disappeared after, my oh my how i thought she was the grave digger, kinda creepy
The world of Red Dead Redemption 2 is ridden with secrets and mysteries. Even the cut-content is a testament to the magnanimous lengths Rockstar were willing to go to give the player more to discover. Easily the best open-world I've ever experienced.
i remember the green eyes one. that little random house abandoned with the childs rocking horse and the family dead on or near the dinner table... laying on the floor dead with green eyes... everyone (myself included) thought it was hinting at undead nightmare 2.... would've been sick if it were true
@@damianboyd A lot of this content seems to be really off topic tho, as cool as they may be. The gang's story is the main focus, adding in these aliens, and big foots and princesses is just extra content, welcome for sure, but i think they just wanted to get Arthur Morgan and his stories across without straying all too far and giving the people a lot of side tracking. There's already quite a bit of stranger encounters and side missions, aliens and supernatural beings is a beast of its own.
Just like GTA V, they cut many things and put it inside the online version. For GTA V, I feel like they literally cut half of the original content so that the online version will be more packed, but RDR 2 done things subtlety, that I don't even realize how much contents they cut off from the main game until I watch this video. It's a shitty practice in order to get more people to play online game, since it's easier for Dev to gain profits by milking online players.
I really hope Rockstar continues this path of adding little secrets and mysteries, partly because I find them so interesting, and partly because Guru will make videos about them :D
@@jameshetfield5382 i honestly dont think it was because of rdo, not all of them anyway, especially because some of them were pretty much finished. there was simply too much stuff in a game with already a lot of stuff, so some needed to be cut down
@@something-go4cd That’s no excuse. It’s the pattern from R* since GTA V. They’re re-releasing a 2013 game for the third time at full price. It’s ridiculous. Remember GTA IV? They made 2 story DLCs. Now they just keep adding content to GTAO and RDO because kids put tons of money into in-game currency. Rockstar has become greedy and lazy.
@@jameshetfield5382 the problem ain't rockstar games, is take two. Red dead started development before GTA v came out, and before the online was a hit. Also, RDO only was available month after realese, and it was very empty. Because of that I don't believe that the reason was RDO. Of course you could be right, or both of us could. They could left some side missions incomplete because they (probably) focus on online in the last stretch of production, but I know that a lot was cut simply because it has to be cut
Ah, this iceberg makes me wish we would have gotten a special uncut version of the game with all these little things that were cut left in tact. It's already the perfect game in my eyes, but to see it could've been even better breaks my heart.
same but it comes down to time and money would have been out in 10 years which i would have had no problem with i mean cyberpunk should have been in devlopment another two years.
Yeah Imagine rooming new austin as arthur before blackwater massacre and more mission with hosea and the gang still intact, until the decide to cut new austin for rdr online I think, its really sad that we can't get the full experience. Some times it's really bother me when replaying the game from the start.
8:23 before you start the mission “a short walk in a pretty town” you can hear micah saying that bill looks good and he gets shy 😂 you can see how much detail they put in this game its amazing.
The serious tone, soothing yet creepy music, the feeling of every level getting more and more horrifying with every step we take... and comes the next one... BILL IS GAY.
Firewatch's OST is such a well composed soundtrack that is a perfect backdrop to create a comforting yet eerie vibe (just like Red Deads) that always pains me how much it goes unused. So glad it's here, essentially putting two of my all time favorites games into one video.
I thought it was the Firewatch OST! I literally just finished it close to two weeks ago and I’m ashamed to say I had to find your comment to confirm it.
The green eyes for corpses in 2019 was a bug. There was a halloween update for RDRO with a zombie gamemode, and the zombies used standard corpse character models but with their eyes colored green. However, instead of adding new character models, rockstar had accidentally overwritten the existing corpse models that were already installed instead of adding them as separate files, a change that carried over to single player. This has since been fixed.
Why did they give Epilogue John Arthur's hair, body, animations, face expressions, wrong hair color, bleached mustache, broken outfits and downgrade his 1.00 version. And why Rockstar didn't use beta real Epilogue John Marston (The one you see in early screenshot of RDR2) even though they are in game and works well (All thanks to John Marston Restoration Mod)
Main I would’ve really liked to see an overarching narrative with that birthmark cult. I guess that’s what they were planning to do with the princess cuz she also got like the same birthmark
Pretty sure that John has a line during the Saint Denis heist that explains how the gang got caught. He says that "we shouldn't have gone after Bronte." I think it was clear in the trolley mission and raid on Bronte's manor that he had connections with the Saint Denis police. He had probably told them about the bank robbery and they called in the Pinkertons to handle the situation after failing to catch the gang in the other two events.
For the Francis theory. In the beginning of the mission he uses the term “hooch”. I did some research and that term became popular during the 1920’s. I don’t know what other time periods he’s been to but I thought this was cool.
But since online came out months after story mode there were rumors that Rockstar intended to take the game into the same style as GTA V’s story mode where you could switch between Trevor, Micheal, and Franklin. So characters “2” and “3” could have been any of the other main characters i.e. Dutch, Lenny, Bill, Javier, etc.
Loved the video. Although I do think Micah was the only snitch. I don't think Abigail would ever have betrayed the gang even as much as she hated Dutch. Plus Micah looks hella nervous after the Saint Denis heist goes wrong. It's one of the only times in the game he's genuinely shaken, like he's afraid of being found out.
@@XXXTENTAClON227 Micah was a snitch all along. Pinkertons didnt pick him up till they got back, but there's a wanted poster and an article about dutch at his campsite and the fact he killed his cellmate when you broke him out of jail in strawberry. I'm sure he was singing to anyone who would listen because he didn't know if they were coming for him.
5:35 the fish seen here is the model used for the mission in which you help hosea hunt the legendary bear at the start of the game, it is found on the ground as a clue, and soon leads us to the bear.
Another thing about the strange man last scene in rdr1, not only the location but as john fires at him in frustration he gets 3 shots of before the 4th one jams. Why that happens is suppose to relate to Uncle, Abigail and John dieing but Jack is spared.
It’s just mind boggling how massive and freaking diverse RDR2 was supposed to be than what we got. I wished they didn’t cut these contents, at least not those which had almost little to no impact on development time.
This was an AMAZING video. I don't even want to think how many hours this took to put together - your content will always be some of my favourite stuff on UA-cam. You really shined a light on just how immensely in-depth this game is and how much more content we could've gotten on top of the huge base game if time was not of the essence for the developers. Thanks for making this. Really entertaining stuff.
It makes me sad so many amazing ideas that looked finish or damn near close were tossed aside for quests and things that go nowhere or feel unfinished.
1:22 only rockstar would have a cut area that is just a ported area that still looks better than 90% of modern games, they care about the stuff they make.
everything that you make is an absolute pleasure to watch, ever since i started watching this channel as a kid has felt magical and consistently i’m amazed by the quality, pacing, feeling and emotion out into your videos. they are absolutely spectacular and i love you for it, thank you, sincerely.
Another thing that suggests to me that Mexico was planned early in development is that in A Fisher of Fish II, Jeremy Gill mentions the fishing spot you are travelling to is near Frontera Bridge... only problem is that Frontera bridge isn't even in construction by 1907 so it is very strange how he knows about it... I imagine the entire quest was written before Mexico was gutted and they didn't remove that line
Remember how the princess is blond? She also has a birthmark. She is explained by being cut, but maybe she was cut for a reason. Maybe the red head was epsilon, but due to his red hair he can't lead the group due to the laws, so he goes back in time, takes the princess, sends her forward, but gets stuck there in the process waiting for the day some brave soul comes along, gives them clues to unlocking time travel, traveling to his time without leaving any answers, causing a time loop for himself. It's just something that popped into my head, but I do know it is entirely wrong. It's just funny how she has a mark, is a princess, and goes missing with no trace, and since she is technically cut, she just completely vanished by lore.
With the river mister audio, there's a glitch to get to Mexico and to do it you have to basically slide your way underwater across flat iron/lanahechee/San Luis anywhere along the rivers works, anyway at a certain point beyond where you'd normally be able to go with a boat or by swimming you hear some of these noises.
This video is absolutely amazing, but it's also infuriating to think about all these interesting things that could've been in the game, but were mostly cut, I'm assuming, to keep the game's file size to a sane amount. I hope Rockstar one day changes their mind and gives us some sort of single player DLC that manages to add some of this stuff back.
A lot of these are explained by Strange Man on his UA-cam channel, but this video made me feel like I was back in 2019 trying to figure out all of these mysteries on my own and I loved it
Spider madison is alive and well, he just didnt know how big rdr would become and didnt want all the fame. Although there still isnt much known about him theres an interview by the voice actor of john where he recalls him and his stories and explainshow he couldnt commit the time on rdr2. A fan also saw him irl a few years back and posted a selfie with him online.
Awwww man. I feel like we were REALLY close to an Undead Nightmare 2. Maybe even involving aliens, like maybe Aliens were responsible for the zombies somehow. The green eyes could very well be a bug but they look too... Good? As if intentional, right? Rockstar could have a lot of fun with the "ancient aliens" theory alongside monsters, vampires, time travel and all that jazz. Could you imagine wading through the misty swamps at night with a pump action and a lantern with zombies and monsters all around. God. Damn. And there's no WAY Francis with his red hair and birthmark aren't related to Kraff somehow. I love this stuff man.
While I have no idea whether any info could back this up or not, when I first played through the game, I came up with the theory that Sadie would've been a playable character at some point. She could've been character 1 or 2.
Character 1 and 2 could’ve been Pinkerton detectives putting together the story of what went down in black water and the escape and why some of the gang members couldn’t escape or were missing
holy fuck this video was put together SO WELL. The music sets a nice mysterious vibe, the transitions are so clean, the immediate proof to things like how bill acts around kiernan. Great video. This deserves millions of views. Definitely earned a sub.
11:42 it does. You can even find the house that the parents made. By the way. If you look at uncles caracter he has a burned mark in his right hand and referencing multiple lines Harlow said to people
I think New Austin was cut from the game in late development and because they already had made it so detailed they probably decided to keep it in the game…
17:02 live broadcast easter egg update: If you enter the shack with high honor/without killing him the poem is different: “there was a man called jimmy brooks, who was always running into crooks, till one chased him down, and he had to talk his way around, that jimmy isn’t as dumb as he looks”
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The theory of jack not being not Johns son is interesting to me but what I find more interesting is that everyone agrees on the same thing, that’s his father no doubt about probably just not his biological one but I think that makes John redemption so good to me, I think when he left he very much didn’t consider jack his son, but when he came back he realized it wasn’t about if it was his biological son or not, it was about what jack, he on some level, at least to me, knew what he had to do and that why’s he came back, still wasn’t the best when he came back, but gave it his all still
Now that I think about it. When you go to Armadillo in rdr2 everybody's sick with the fever, literally everybody but the owner of the general store. And he has the portrait of the Strange man.
I really don’t want to sound selfish, considering how amazing this game is with all the details and things you can do in it, but I really wish they left all of the cut content in somehow. I know scheduling and other factors took place but imagine how much more could’ve been done as Arthur and also making it to Mexico would’ve been amazing too
1:51 El Presidio. Sure bring back memories during multiplayer mode free roam.. using one of those cannon to blast at the player who comes around here with my posse. 😂
Character 0 and 3 can be purely for design reasons. To not mess up dialogs and other interactions while both characters can interact with same people independently. Characters with subsequent numbers could be messed up. But with this distance it is easy to realise what character you work with at the time and line of code instead of character 1 or 2.
i just noticed that princess IKZ has the same birthmark as Francis Sinclair, her mission may have had further tie-ins to GTA universe. perhaps since she does not have red hair she may have been a legitimate descendant of Kraff. also i bet that caveman can be found inside the Ravine in "Enter, Pursued by a memory."
I know the 2 games don’t share a world, but in my head canon, Uncle met Red Harlow who then told him his own personal stories and whenever uncle tells a story of “his past” it’s just one is Reds many tales he told Uncle
Wait a minute.. When the game first came out I found all three (and like a dumby, sold them because that’s what I thought you had to do). I can’t remember exactly, but the third was also near a smoking area not too far from the other house. It was a small piece. Only found it because I was dorking around. If I had none it was so rare to find I would have marked it. I wish I remembered its exact location, maybe I’ll start the game up and dork around that area again and see if I stumble on it. Took me forever to find the one near the large meteor. I thought it was a cool rock chair at first lol.
U can also find a dock below the mexico fort, im kind of convinced that area was supposed to be playable now (Its at 1:57 but you cant rlly see it since the place where john is standing on is blocking it)
Personally I think Hosea found his own redemption in helping Abigail escape the Pinkertons. There’s a lot of parallels in both Arthur and Hosea’s stories. In game they can both be found having conversations about their lives as outlaws, how Abigail sees Hosea as a father figure, and how Hosea wants Abigail to take Jack and leave the life. Abigail also avenges Hosea by killing Milton, similar to how John kills Micah. Hosea is also seen having coughing fits, and talks about he wants to make sure the people in his life are safe before he dies.
This might just be the best rdr2 comment i've ever seen, thank you for this perspective on things
He might gave been a bad man but he has good morals, that's what made us love some many members of the van der line gang, it was Dutch and Micah who caused most of the deaths of the members and the innocents to get killed. Which gave them their bad name and ultimately led to the downfall of the gang.
Spot on.
Rdr3 should be about hosea's life
Damn, I knew that Arthur and Hosea were similar but not quite down to this level. Great find.
Something about “BILL IS GAY” popping on the screen all of a sudden was hilarious to me.
I was thinking of changing it but I love how unsubtle it is.
THE BIG MYSTERY IS BILL GAY???
The rumor come out, does Bill Williamson is gay?
reminds me of old youtube "theory videos"
@@FunWithGuru I don’t think he was gay it was prolly cuz he was a drunk and would act crazy but idk that’s just a theory
This is a really nice change of pace than your usual content. It still has your signature style which is cool!
Thanks so much! 😊
I remember back then when your videos were heavily inspired by guru
yoooo i didnt know you watched him too ♥
@@aleppo5398 haha yeah, the comments about are a big reason why I started using my voice!
@@CaptainEggcellent thank goodness for those comments because I love your channel just as much as Gurus
The Uncle dying during production level really got me. Brings a whole new level of respect to his character I never had before. Now I can look at him other than a drunk who’s terminally ill with Lumbago.
I like to think that Uncle is the Harlow of the RDR universe and that his true back story is very different from the story presented in Revolver. I like to think that he was most likely a sometime bounty hunter that bushwhacked a railroad executive over the murder of his parents and who made himself disappear when his legend grew out of his control. His lumbago is most likely a result of a degenerative spinal condition that developed as a result of having spent too much time in the saddle in his younger years. This was not uncommon during the late 19th century and it fits with the idea that Harlow spent a lot of time as an itinerant cow puncher and saddle tramp during many years on the run. I don't believe that he is altogether faking it, but I do believe that he deliberately cultivates the gang's underestimation of him. The thing about Uncle that most interests me is the length he goes to in order to hide his true identity. He doesn't even have a proper name. None of the other characters go to so much trouble to conceal who they are. I think that Uncle does that because were he to reveal his true name, it would be recognized instantly.
@@fearlessfosdick160nunca sabemos o nome dele em algum dialogo,
5:14 I love the way John says "Just seems familiar" because John is familiar with death having killed many in his life as an outlaw from a very young age.
And also because we see strange man in the first game
@@mmmmitsmedve3713 Rdr2 is set before Rdr1 events
@@sdp640 yes that's right, so do you think rdr3 will be a prequel again? Im thinking of this because john said that for a reason, he might have seen strange man in the past. Only thing is we don't know yet.
@@DuoGodGaming I doubt there will be a rdr3
@@oldarthurmorgan6319 Interesting. Why do you think so? 🤔
It's sad that Guarma got nerfed so hard. R* did an amazing job capturing the beautiful view and at the same time keeping that scary and alien feeling. I hoped to see more of it or at least revisit the area.
Honestly, I felt Guarma was so out of place in the story
@@MatthewSanthos it was in a sense but the idea of it was cool to explore in game
@@MatthewSanthos In the circumstance we find it, I agree--though I assume it's meant to be that way. Were Guarma a manifestation of Dutch's "Tahiti," however, it would move the plot perfectly according to *plan*.
@@ezziba8240 yeah, the whole point being that there's no perfect fairy tale spot for them to escape to.
Not sure if it’s patched now but back in the beta days of RDO there was a glitch/bug where if you drowned in a certain spot in the river it would spawn you on the Mexican side of the border. I traveled far enough out of bounds that the map randomly transitioned into Guarma and I was allowed to fully explore it. Brought back some exotic animal meat with me lol
Arthur’s son dying would just make the whole game depressing
It would certainly change the theme and make the game a little darker.
like the game isnt depressing as is lmao
In contrast to its current cheerful tone
yeah poor Arthur the world wasn't kind to him
Is it bad I would have preferred it staying in the game
the New Bordeaux thing is interesting because it's the name of the New Orleans equivalent city in Mafia III; the Mafia series is owned by 2K Games, the sister publisher of Rockstar Games. Mafia 3 was released in October 2016 so I'm guessing development overlapped between the two games and someone made a phone call to the other asking them to change the names.
That’s exactly what happened actually. Rockstar had originally named Saint Denis, New Bordeaux, but decided to change it due to the fear of copyright. Rockstar however, wasn’t actually told by 2K to take it down
@@The_Berserker28 wouldve been cool actually if they were both connected and mafia 3 in early development was actually supposed to be set in 1890s new orleans until it was changed to the 60s
I heard new bordeaux and i was like "what the fuck?"
I do think at a certain point in the early development they tinkered with the idea of playing as Arthur, Sadie, and Charles, later switching to John. Though I think they realized this would have impacted the story they wanted to tell and scrapped it early on.
It's possible character 1/2 are related to your red dead online characters, as GTA online had 2 character slots and it's likely RDO originally had 2 as well. And the game has to keep track of your weight, cores, appearance, etc. so that data has to be stored somewhere and one of those character slots makes sense
Exactly
Or micah and dutch, like gta5 we have franklin missions, and micheal missions and trevor missions
@@JulioCesar-iu1wi I highly doubt Micah or Dutch were ever considered as playable characters, given one is a straight up antagonist and the other is the next closest thing.
I love how the sea monsters call sounds like a fog horn near the end. Adds to the nautical monster theme very well
Another thing to add with the "Bill is gay!" thing is the optional camp mission where you retrieve hair pomade for Bill. Arthur teases Bill about it before and after he gets him the pomade and Bill is very bashful. Bill definitely wants to impress someone. Maybe it's Kieran? Who knows, but it's another fun clue to look into.
Are you sure it’s for his hair though 😏
Hair pomade was used as lube
@@yoarnelio5981 Do you know this due to research, experience or both?
@@secondchance6603 both
I think Rockstar tried to twist his character to fit the now prominent "woke" culture that's being pushed, it's said in rdr1 that he and his gang have raped women in number only the lord may know, it also explains the censoring in the recent GTA Trilogy, it is sad that game devs will ruin their already written characters to fit certain "cultures"
For example see this video where they're clearly pushing the narrative that he's gay
ua-cam.com/video/3EzpKJ41uLg/v-deo.html
I don't care if a video game character is gay, but the problem is that he wasn't written as so in rdr1 why ruin his characteristics now? And no its nor about different time of release because rdr1 heavily implied that the Mexican general had something with his male servant.
Wow, dude, this feels so surreal to me. I’ve watched your videos for years, and to see one based on something I’ve made is just insane to me. Thank you so much for covering this iceberg, it was well and truly worth the wait
Shouldnt this be pinned?
Can you confirm or refute any of the ideas in this video?
@@finlomacdonald7739 He means he made the iceberg, not the game.
The Saint Denis ghost appeared during the mission where you’re looking for grave diggers, so I ran after her and kept searching for a solid five minutes before giving up
Now you're scaring me
@@GustavoFringLol It's true, I found her too, she's pretty harmless to be honest.
Been playing this game for years and haven't had her show up visibly. Have heard her a few times though. Same with the ghost train. I never seem to get there at the right time lol
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 me too, dressed in black, panicking and running away right when we spotted her. i legit chased her but she disappeared after, my oh my how i thought she was the grave digger, kinda creepy
Yes I have seen her too i thought she was one of the grave diggers so i ignored her that time
The world of Red Dead Redemption 2 is ridden with secrets and mysteries. Even the cut-content is a testament to the magnanimous lengths Rockstar were willing to go to give the player more to discover. Easily the best open-world I've ever experienced.
i remember the green eyes one. that little random house abandoned with the childs rocking horse and the family dead on or near the dinner table... laying on the floor dead with green eyes... everyone (myself included) thought it was hinting at undead nightmare 2.... would've been sick if it were true
After watching it feels like the game is only half finished.
Yet it's still a masterpiece
If rockstar still cared about rdr2 story there would be so many cool things for them to add and fix
If you look up the cut content the game is half finished.
@@damianboyd A lot of this content seems to be really off topic tho, as cool as they may be. The gang's story is the main focus, adding in these aliens, and big foots and princesses is just extra content, welcome for sure, but i think they just wanted to get Arthur Morgan and his stories across without straying all too far and giving the people a lot of side tracking. There's already quite a bit of stranger encounters and side missions, aliens and supernatural beings is a beast of its own.
Just like GTA V, they cut many things and put it inside the online version. For GTA V, I feel like they literally cut half of the original content so that the online version will be more packed, but RDR 2 done things subtlety, that I don't even realize how much contents they cut off from the main game until I watch this video. It's a shitty practice in order to get more people to play online game, since it's easier for Dev to gain profits by milking online players.
I really hope Rockstar continues this path of adding little secrets and mysteries, partly because I find them so interesting, and partly because Guru will make videos about them :D
Most were literally just cut content which probably wouldn't have been cut if they didn't put so much focus on RDO.
@@jameshetfield5382 exactly
@@jameshetfield5382 i honestly dont think it was because of rdo, not all of them anyway, especially because some of them were pretty much finished. there was simply too much stuff in a game with already a lot of stuff, so some needed to be cut down
@@something-go4cd That’s no excuse. It’s the pattern from R* since GTA V. They’re re-releasing a 2013 game for the third time at full price. It’s ridiculous. Remember GTA IV? They made 2 story DLCs. Now they just keep adding content to GTAO and RDO because kids put tons of money into in-game currency. Rockstar has become greedy and lazy.
@@jameshetfield5382 the problem ain't rockstar games, is take two. Red dead started development before GTA v came out, and before the online was a hit. Also, RDO only was available month after realese, and it was very empty. Because of that I don't believe that the reason was RDO.
Of course you could be right, or both of us could. They could left some side missions incomplete because they (probably) focus on online in the last stretch of production, but I know that a lot was cut simply because it has to be cut
Ah, this iceberg makes me wish we would have gotten a special uncut version of the game with all these little things that were cut left in tact. It's already the perfect game in my eyes, but to see it could've been even better breaks my heart.
same but it comes down to time and money would have been out in 10 years which i would have had no problem with i mean cyberpunk should have been in devlopment another two years.
You'll have to wait for RDR2 Expanded and Enhanced
Yeah Imagine rooming new austin as arthur before blackwater massacre and more mission with hosea and the gang still intact, until the decide to cut new austin for rdr online I think, its really sad that we can't get the full experience. Some times it's really bother me when replaying the game from the start.
@@NigelMelanisticSmith ehem... Mega Deluxe Expanded Stretched Enhanced Unique Edition...
8:23 before you start the mission “a short walk in a pretty town” you can hear micah saying that bill looks good and he gets shy 😂 you can see how much detail they put in this game its amazing.
would be cool if they'd occasionally update single player and add to these mysteries
they don't even try to update online, why would they update single lmao
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The serious tone, soothing yet creepy music, the feeling of every level getting more and more horrifying with every step we take... and comes the next one... BILL IS GAY.
He is!? 😨😨😨
"Red Dead Redemption Mysteries"
*BILL IS GAY*
That got a good laugh out of me. Great video, Guru!
I was about to write the same, caught me off guard
it isnt a mystery at all, anyone with the smallest bit of gaydar who played the game knows that bill is 100% closetted
@@moth-corpse is this true or are you also joking
@@orang1921 i am 100% serious
@@moth-corpse what’s gaydar
Firewatch's OST is such a well composed soundtrack that is a perfect backdrop to create a comforting yet eerie vibe (just like Red Deads) that always pains me how much it goes unused. So glad it's here, essentially putting two of my all time favorites games into one video.
I thought it was the Firewatch OST! I literally just finished it close to two weeks ago and I’m ashamed to say I had to find your comment to confirm it.
If there ever was a complete edition of rdr2 with all cut content avaiable i would buy it for sure
The green eyes for corpses in 2019 was a bug. There was a halloween update for RDRO with a zombie gamemode, and the zombies used standard corpse character models but with their eyes colored green. However, instead of adding new character models, rockstar had accidentally overwritten the existing corpse models that were already installed instead of adding them as separate files, a change that carried over to single player. This has since been fixed.
Thanks
Wait we almost had an undead nightmare 2?!?!
The amount of details in Rockstar games is insane! it's also insane the amount of cut content from RDR2
Every game has cut content. A game the size of RDR2 is bound to have a whole ton of them
@@gleam6370 yeah but not every game has the same amount of details. And not just for how big the game is but for all the passion and dedication.
@@gurentgc3546 it’s my favorite game of all time
Why did they give Epilogue John Arthur's hair, body, animations, face expressions, wrong hair color, bleached mustache, broken outfits and downgrade his 1.00 version. And why Rockstar didn't use beta real Epilogue John Marston (The one you see in early screenshot of RDR2) even though they are in game and works well (All thanks to John Marston Restoration Mod)
I wish they didn’t cut the content. Would of been more hours to play and see the results in the end.
Having that frozen baby nugget in the opening would have certainly been..... something.
"Step in front of a runaway train..."
This song is one of my favorites to end up in an RDR title
Main I would’ve really liked to see an overarching narrative with that birthmark cult. I guess that’s what they were planning to do with the princess cuz she also got like the same birthmark
No, i don’t think princess ikz has anything to do with the epsilon program but its a reach
Pretty sure that John has a line during the Saint Denis heist that explains how the gang got caught. He says that "we shouldn't have gone after Bronte." I think it was clear in the trolley mission and raid on Bronte's manor that he had connections with the Saint Denis police. He had probably told them about the bank robbery and they called in the Pinkertons to handle the situation after failing to catch the gang in the other two events.
For the Francis theory. In the beginning of the mission he uses the term “hooch”. I did some research and that term became popular during the 1920’s. I don’t know what other time periods he’s been to but I thought this was cool.
I would imagine that “character 1” or “character 2” would be referring to the players online character, depending on the gender that was picked
But since online came out months after story mode there were rumors that Rockstar intended to take the game into the same style as GTA V’s story mode where you could switch between Trevor, Micheal, and Franklin.
So characters “2” and “3” could have been any of the other main characters i.e. Dutch, Lenny, Bill, Javier, etc.
@@Jacobus3005 oh yeah that could be a possibility. I think a Charles/Sadie would’ve been good
@@Jake-hs6wy I think it was supposed to be dutch
@@Jacobus3005 I think it’s just supposed to be the rdr online characters
Online may have came out months before rdr2 but maybe rockstar was in development of rdr online by that time
Loved the video. Although I do think Micah was the only snitch. I don't think Abigail would ever have betrayed the gang even as much as she hated Dutch. Plus Micah looks hella nervous after the Saint Denis heist goes wrong. It's one of the only times in the game he's genuinely shaken, like he's afraid of being found out.
Yeah, she wouldn't have put Jack in that kind of danger of being an orphan if she got caught.
Also, wasn’t Micah a snitch all the way back in Blackwater?
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@@trey4162 no, Milton says he picked him up after Guarma. Prior to this, there is no snitch
@@XXXTENTAClON227 Micah was a snitch all along. Pinkertons didnt pick him up till they got back, but there's a wanted poster and an article about dutch at his campsite and the fact he killed his cellmate when you broke him out of jail in strawberry. I'm sure he was singing to anyone who would listen because he didn't know if they were coming for him.
5:35 the fish seen here is the model used for the mission in which you help hosea hunt the legendary bear at the start of the game, it is found on the ground as a clue, and soon leads us to the bear.
Another thing about the strange man last scene in rdr1, not only the location but as john fires at him in frustration he gets 3 shots of before the 4th one jams. Why that happens is suppose to relate to Uncle, Abigail and John dieing but Jack is spared.
It’s just mind boggling how massive and freaking diverse RDR2 was supposed to be than what we got. I wished they didn’t cut these contents, at least not those which had almost little to no impact on development time.
This was an AMAZING video. I don't even want to think how many hours this took to put together - your content will always be some of my favourite stuff on UA-cam. You really shined a light on just how immensely in-depth this game is and how much more content we could've gotten on top of the huge base game if time was not of the essence for the developers. Thanks for making this. Really entertaining stuff.
Thanks so much! 😊
It makes me sad so many amazing ideas that looked finish or damn near close were tossed aside for quests and things that go nowhere or feel unfinished.
1:22 only rockstar would have a cut area that is just a ported area that still looks better than 90% of modern games, they care about the stuff they make.
I love this game so much. So much detail and thought behind it. It was a truly remarkable player experience from start to finish.
everything that you make is an absolute pleasure to watch, ever since i started watching this channel as a kid has felt magical and consistently i’m amazed by the quality, pacing, feeling and emotion out into your videos. they are absolutely spectacular and i love you for it, thank you, sincerely.
You’ve got to tell us the music you played during each level. Some I haven’t heard in RDR2.
Here's the music:
Intro/Outro: *José González - Far Away*
LEVEL 1: *Born Unto Trouble* (from RDR1)
LEVEL 2: *Thorofare Hike* (from Firewatch)
LEVEL 3: *Prologue* (from Firewatch)
LEVEL 4: *Camp Approach* (from Firewatch)
LEVEL 5: *Dedication* (from Gone Home)
LEVEL 6: *That's The Way It Is (Low Honor)* (from RDR2)
@@FunWithGuru omg thank you!
@@FunWithGuru Thank U
An iceberg from GURU?! Holy shit, this is the best day ever.
Another thing that suggests to me that Mexico was planned early in development is that in A Fisher of Fish II, Jeremy Gill mentions the fishing spot you are travelling to is near Frontera Bridge... only problem is that Frontera bridge isn't even in construction by 1907 so it is very strange how he knows about it... I imagine the entire quest was written before Mexico was gutted and they didn't remove that line
Remember how the princess is blond? She also has a birthmark. She is explained by being cut, but maybe she was cut for a reason. Maybe the red head was epsilon, but due to his red hair he can't lead the group due to the laws, so he goes back in time, takes the princess, sends her forward, but gets stuck there in the process waiting for the day some brave soul comes along, gives them clues to unlocking time travel, traveling to his time without leaving any answers, causing a time loop for himself. It's just something that popped into my head, but I do know it is entirely wrong. It's just funny how she has a mark, is a princess, and goes missing with no trace, and since she is technically cut, she just completely vanished by lore.
man thats sum to think about
With the river mister audio, there's a glitch to get to Mexico and to do it you have to basically slide your way underwater across flat iron/lanahechee/San Luis anywhere along the rivers works, anyway at a certain point beyond where you'd normally be able to go with a boat or by swimming you hear some of these noises.
This video is absolutely amazing, but it's also infuriating to think about all these interesting things that could've been in the game, but were mostly cut, I'm assuming, to keep the game's file size to a sane amount. I hope Rockstar one day changes their mind and gives us some sort of single player DLC that manages to add some of this stuff back.
They won’t though, because they don’t care about the game
A lot of these are explained by Strange Man on his UA-cam channel, but this video made me feel like I was back in 2019 trying to figure out all of these mysteries on my own and I loved it
Why would you cut out Mexico I don't get it
I would've loved to explore all of Guarma!
This was great! It’s still your signature style! I would love to see more iceberg videos!
That river monster roar is chilling. I love cryptid easter eggs in games!
Spider madison is alive and well, he just didnt know how big rdr would become and didnt want all the fame. Although there still isnt much known about him theres an interview by the voice actor of john where he recalls him and his stories and explainshow he couldnt commit the time on rdr2. A fan also saw him irl a few years back and posted a selfie with him online.
I’ve never seen an iceberg video where the creator doesn’t speak all of it out loud, and honestly. This is the way it should be done
This video is great!
I loved every second of it.
thanks, trevor! :)
6:36 I’d recognize the fire watch music anywhere… best indie game I have ever played
was looking for this comment!! so glad somebody else clocked it instantly too
@@skipskylark9525 my man!
The aesthetic easter egg man has blessed us once again 🙏
That's true.
I’m so gonna watch this when I can. My daughter was just born I’ll see when I’ll have the time!
congratulations G ! 👏🏼
Congrats bro. Welcome to the club! Best ride of your life. Take care, and much love and peace to you and your new family!
Congratulations!
Begin a gun collection now
I know I'm late, but cogratulations man.
I think the ‘second rat’ was jack, when he was picked up by the braithwates they also brought the pinkertons up to question him.
What do you want him to know?
i reckon jack would have brought that up and said something about men questioning him about his family
@Bucket0id Eh
I thought it was Molly who was the snitch? Am I missing something?
@@antisocialal4799 That's what I thought. Miss Grimshaw even kills her.
Awwww man. I feel like we were REALLY close to an Undead Nightmare 2. Maybe even involving aliens, like maybe Aliens were responsible for the zombies somehow. The green eyes could very well be a bug but they look too... Good? As if intentional, right? Rockstar could have a lot of fun with the "ancient aliens" theory alongside monsters, vampires, time travel and all that jazz. Could you imagine wading through the misty swamps at night with a pump action and a lantern with zombies and monsters all around. God. Damn.
And there's no WAY Francis with his red hair and birthmark aren't related to Kraff somehow. I love this stuff man.
While I have no idea whether any info could back this up or not, when I first played through the game, I came up with the theory that Sadie would've been a playable character at some point. She could've been character 1 or 2.
I think jack is definitely related to John, just look at him the first game. Same angry face
Idk more of a javier looking kid when he grows up
Abigail has those mean eyebrows too, but yeah I thought the same thing about his angry face
@@KneeGrower I think that can be blamed on his facial hair, personally I still jacks face just a little more developed.
@@KneeGrower Not at all, he looks like John. The only thing that resembles Javier is his facial hair.
Look at his nose, is John's nose
24:01 I think maybe character 1 is arthur in guarma with his sun burns and character 2 is arthur with tb
Such a masterpiece of a series. I could play that game forever.
Character 1 and 2 could’ve been Pinkerton detectives putting together the story of what went down in black water and the escape and why some of the gang members couldn’t escape or were missing
Please do more of these,these are genuinely so good
holy fuck this video was put together SO WELL. The music sets a nice mysterious vibe, the transitions are so clean, the immediate proof to things like how bill acts around kiernan.
Great video. This deserves millions of views.
Definitely earned a sub.
I wished the video to never end, this is (with out any doubt) the best iceberg video ever made. Great job
14:12
Damn, nice colour effect.
11:42 it does. You can even find the house that the parents made. By the way. If you look at uncles caracter he has a burned mark in his right hand and referencing multiple lines Harlow said to people
I just want to say thank you for your excellent work on these videos. I love to watch them, especially the ones about R* Games :)
I think New Austin was cut from the game in late development and because they already had made it so detailed they probably decided to keep it in the game…
17:02 live broadcast easter egg update:
If you enter the shack with high honor/without killing him the poem is different: “there was a man called jimmy brooks, who was always running into crooks, till one chased him down, and he had to talk his way around, that jimmy isn’t as dumb as he looks”
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Potato sus
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As always a banger video from Guru, this takes me back to 2006-07 and all of those GTA Bigfoot/Murder mysteries and i'm all for it.
The theory of jack not being not Johns son is interesting to me but what I find more interesting is that everyone agrees on the same thing, that’s his father no doubt about probably just not his biological one but I think that makes John redemption so good to me, I think when he left he very much didn’t consider jack his son, but when he came back he realized it wasn’t about if it was his biological son or not, it was about what jack, he on some level, at least to me, knew what he had to do and that why’s he came back, still wasn’t the best when he came back, but gave it his all still
Arthur: I had a son once…years ago
Rains fall: STOP! I need to pick some Ginseng
Now that I think about it. When you go to Armadillo in rdr2 everybody's sick with the fever, literally everybody but the owner of the general store. And he has the portrait of the Strange man.
Rockstar always manages to have things in their games to give them a mythical status
I really don’t want to sound selfish, considering how amazing this game is with all the details and things you can do in it, but I really wish they left all of the cut content in somehow. I know scheduling and other factors took place but imagine how much more could’ve been done as Arthur and also making it to Mexico would’ve been amazing too
I find it intriguing and weird that, cut content still appears in bits and pieces in the final game.
1:51 El Presidio. Sure bring back memories during multiplayer mode free roam.. using one of those cannon to blast at the player who comes around here with my posse. 😂
Character 0 and 3 can be purely for design reasons. To not mess up dialogs and other interactions while both characters can interact with same people independently. Characters with subsequent numbers could be messed up. But with this distance it is easy to realise what character you work with at the time and line of code instead of character 1 or 2.
I think the idea that Arthur’s Son issac dying in the beginning of the story is so sad, I think it would’ve changed Arthur’s story a lot more too
The River Monster audio sounds like a MASS EFFECT Reaper.
You forgot the biggest mystery of all. Why did Arthur choose to let Micah out of prison
i just noticed that princess IKZ has the same birthmark as Francis Sinclair, her mission may have had further tie-ins to GTA universe. perhaps since she does not have red hair she may have been a legitimate descendant of Kraff. also i bet that caveman can be found inside the Ravine in "Enter, Pursued by a memory."
I know the 2 games don’t share a world, but in my head canon, Uncle met Red Harlow who then told him his own personal stories and whenever uncle tells a story of “his past” it’s just one is Reds many tales he told Uncle
You absolutely should do more videos like this. This is extremely extremely well made.
"This is a military area, get out" ~Mexican Soldier, 1899
truly inspiring words
Wow i never thought I’d ever see footage of the player shooting Dutch. That’s kind of incredible if you think about it.
Wait a minute.. When the game first came out I found all three (and like a dumby, sold them because that’s what I thought you had to do). I can’t remember exactly, but the third was also near a smoking area not too far from the other house. It was a small piece. Only found it because I was dorking around. If I had none it was so rare to find I would have marked it. I wish I remembered its exact location, maybe I’ll start the game up and dork around that area again and see if I stumble on it.
Took me forever to find the one near the large meteor. I thought it was a cool rock chair at first lol.
Yeah yeah sure you did
16:57 the rock that covers the cave looks kinda like a head. If that's intentional then it's a nice little detail.
U can also find a dock below the mexico fort, im kind of convinced that area was supposed to be playable now
(Its at 1:57 but you cant rlly see it since the place where john is standing on is blocking it)
Holy shit, sponsored by Nvidia! Cool stuff really
And this is why we'll get Red dead redemption 3... 50x bigger than RDR 2s map, new characters, new setting, and new arcs
I love the Firewatch songs in the background. It's amazing.
amazing editing and music choice, at first was pure nostalgia from rdr1
To be fair, this is mostly cut content and not “mysteries”.
Really makes you think if they'd just given this game a few more years, it could've been so much more.