My opinion about when John gets arrested in Saint Denis is that if he was with the gang on the boat he would have most likely died when the boat sinks cause of the fact he can’t swim 🏊♀️
Personally, I like to think that after Red Dead Revolver, Red Harlow retired from the life of a Wild West gunslinger and lived a regular life. To rid himself of his past, Red changes his name to Leigh Johnson clears Armadillo of all the squatters and makes it livable again after the diseases we see in RDR2’s New Austin pass through, where the people elect him as Sheriff
@@Casual_guy1234it's people like you who make others hate people who think red harlow is uncle, we can respect your opinion, as long as you respect ours, calling other theories "delusions" because you're mad that not everybody agrees with you is a loser move.
So my gf works with ppl with tbi's The trolly accident could absolutely cause severe swelling and possibly bleeding. The loss of hosea and knowing he likely caused his gang to fail would only compound any symptoms. As well as the guilt of shooting that girl in the head. Yes he'd start loosing his grip on sanity
Dutch doesn’t feel guilt for shooting Heidi McCourt It’s very obvious Dutch is a narcissist, a hypocrite, and a manipulative liar 1. Whenever people are against his plans and want to lay low he gets easily angered and argues with them 2. He continuously tries to rope the gang into danger 3. Constantly tries to pin his faults on other gang members 4. Freudian slips Always says “I” instead of “We” and corrects himself whenever people talking about getting out of a tough situation 5. Despite saying he’s against revenge he constantly tries to go after Colm 6. Cheats on, neglects, and insults Molly (Flirts with the girl gang members despite Dutch being a father figure to everyone) 7. Constantly tries to excuse his actions by saying “I have no choice” or “We have no choice” 8. Demeans the gang members if they seem like they’re “doubting” him Then there’s everything else but by that point Dutch was breaking or already broke
Or he could just have been a paranoid schizophrenic, who's symptoms progressed very slowly over the years. As the 💩 hit the fan, more & more Micah whispering in his ear, and the trolley crash, it sped it up rapidly until his downfall
Fun Fact: The three shots that John shoots at the Strange Man foreshadow's the three bodies being there on that same hill at the end of the game (Uncle, John, Abigail), pretty much confirming that the Strange Man is the Grim Reaper.
Is that all it is? Damn, I've never played Revolver but I'd assumed it was set earlier than that Rough 10 years for old Uncle, for the people who believe those theories 😂
@@matthewlacey4198tbf I don’t think anyone acc believes that theory. With Rockstar even saying it was wrong (FunWithGuru made an iceberg video on red dead 2 where he outlined this, honestly a phenomenal video and a phenomenal channel)
@@adamhenrywalkerbro looks about 27 in red dead revolver💀 are you telling me a 37 year old man looks like uncle? And even in rdr1 he still is 49 if he was in the same universe
Aye bruh this quality is top tier I like how you didn’t just mention 50 different theories and actually went into depth with the most plausible and compelling ones
I think that the trolley accident made his mind realize more irrational conclusions much more easier to convince of himself than before. Ofc dutch had... 'plans' before the accident but after it i believe the accident further worsened it
To add the Dutch brain injury, in the mission where Eagle Flies, Dutch, Charles, and Arthur steal horses from an army boat, when Dutch crashes, it looks like he was very dizzy, possibly relating to the trolley incident
I can believe Micah being a rat as early as that, given how despite all that running and hiding , Milton and the Pinkertons are always a step right behind. The only thing why I don’t think he would turn Dutch in that early (Colms set up) is because Micah still doesn’t have the location of the Blackwater money that only Dutch and MAYBE Hosea know the location of
Micah was a rat from the start. Back in Chapter One he kept saying to go back to blackwater to get the money, wanting to get them into the hands of pinkertons.
I think one of the main grounds for the strange man theory is that Arthur’s journal says that he saw someone similar in stature to trelawney in blackwater, and later trelawney says he was in blackwater. We also know from rdr1 that the strange man was in both blackwater and st. Denis.
@@Waxyyy And it's also the fact that we literally see the Strange Man in the cabin in Lakay in the mirror, so why on earth would he be Trelawny! Some people...
13:50 the mystery meat you mentioned is just the default steak. John has some for jack and abigail in undead nightmare right in the verh beginning when they turn into zombies.
If Abigail is a rat then she is stupid, because ratting on the gang puts not only herself but Jack at risk. As shown when they show up right after they reunite at Lakay. I just don’t see Abigail putting Jack at risk like that. Hosea definitely sacrificed himself to get Abigail out. That’s in his character
I have to admit I was so focused on the content and information in this video I didn't realize 3 different voices narrated this video until after watching the whole thing. Good video, though!
Im from the future and imma spoil the next 3 rockstar games for you. GTA6 reveals the man in the hat is actually rockstars version of the watchers. It assumed the role of angel of death in red dead 3 times(aka when dutch starts the van der linde gang) and reveals themselves in GTA 6 in a dlc update. In Bully 2 they make a cameo as the local groundskeeper AFTER clearing a certian mission
Rockstar is explicitly, said that red dead revolver and red dead redemption are two completely separate universes but what I think is that uncle is this universe’s red harlow as red Harlow is mentioned
I agree that the trolley accident could have changed dutch's mental health. But summarize everything we see in the game to "he hit his head" is just to simple Hosea and Arthur says multiple times in chapter 1, 2 and 3 that Dutch is different. That he's acting and doing things differently now. When Sadie asks Arthur what happened to Dutch in chapter 6, he says "It seems like what started happening in blackwater started happening long before.. a slow decline perhaps" In Arthur's journal, before blackwater, he writes about how they had money and the opportunity to disappear and buy some land. But didn't, because Dutch just didn't liked any land that they found and kept blocking their attempts to make it work. I feel that this event made Dutch's "nature" kick in. He noticed that fighting could be more important than saving his loved ones. I feel that he was conflicted about this two options during the whole game. He sometimes talks about the gang as family. And sometimes talk about them as disposable soldiers "of course it would be casualties" Then he gets cornered by this changing world with constant pressure. Being doubted and confronted by the people that always idealized him. His failures causing pain and deaths Having a big trauma on the head, losing his best friend, his younger son/brother and getting stuck in a hot af island far from his land. Honestly it's surprising he was able to form complete sentences in chapter six. + i'm playing the game again and i just noticed that when Arthur tries to talk with bill and javier about Dutch's recent choices. They never even mention leaving, they always bring the "if we have to fight, we fight. With we have to die, we die"
If there is a heaven and hell, Arthur's hell would be having to watch all that Dutch does after Arthur's passing It broke Arthur's heart already, seeing what Dutch became in the later chapters; but seeing what a monster Dutch became by RDR1, would absolutely crush Arthur. And then seeing Dutch kill himself because of his own insanity and desperation. Then again, he'd get to see Dutch shoot Micha :)
I think Abigail being the rat is a solid theory. It even makes sense canonically, the pinkertons make a deal with Abigail to bring down Dutch. But in RDR2 they didn’t manage to bring down Dutch. They track down Abigail and then tell John they’re keeping her hostage until the jobs done. Why else choose John? Dutch at least suspects John and Abigail and maybe that’s why he didn’t want to save John.
Dutch was already quite vile before the trolley mission. Good men just dont shoot innocent women, case in point during the Blackwater heist. I think the potential brain injury definitely sped up his decline, but he was already slipping
I think micah coulve ratted in blackwater i cant remeber if it was dutch in the first mission or javier when they went to rescue john he says it was almost like they knew they would rob the ferryboat
You talked about how the strange man’s clothes were to represent death but there’s a theory that he’s death himself and he gives him the quest to deliver him death. (Also great video)
My opinion a red dead story about Lyle Morgan would be pretty sick, since his story is pretty much untold and his whole identity is barely mentioned at all throughout the story
To anyone wondering whether or not Uncle really is Red Harlow; The answer is clearly, NO. Now let me explain. -Red Harlow was no older than his 20s by the time his story ended. So he wouldn't be older than his 30s, possibly 40s by the time of RDR2. Uncle is clearly older than that. -There is no scorpion scar on Uncle’s right hand (unlike Red Harlow). In the first level of Red Dead Revolver, Red grabs his father’s revolver and fires it while it is engulfed in flames. The revolver had a scorpion emblem on the grip, and that emblem was burned on to the palm of Red’s hand. After that scene, we are shown a time-skip, and it is revealed that as an adult, Red covers his entire right hand with a red colored handkerchief. There is no sign of the scarring or the handkerchief on Uncle’s hand. -Red Harlow was very morally strict and a famous bounty hunter. Red spent the majority of his life fighting and hunting down gangs, even gangs similar to Dutch's gang, and taking down infamous nasty people. I would question why anyone thinks he would be living with outlaws now. -the nickname "One Shot Kid" is never used for Red Harlow. In fact, that name does not exist anywhere in this series apart from the one time Uncle says it in camp. It was not intended on being anything other than another drunk Uncle anecdote.
Absolutely wonderful, not finished yet but ive always been waiting for a large collection of the theories about rdr2. I've just started a fresh, heavily modded (for looks) playthough
Thank you so much and what kinda mods you using for ur play through? Im looking to get some mods myself, specifically the one that makes the whole world snowy. Mods just bring something new to the game. Anyway again thank you bro 🙏
@@WaxyyyCurrently I'm using multiple 4k upscales as well as CERR for Euphoria, Another Horse Overhaul, PDO and personally I would recommend mods from Wickedhorseman on nexus. There's a lot more in my list, I could compile it if you'd like, but I went for a complete overhaul after completing the game normally. Installation for me took a while, mainly the downloading process, but despite my mediocre computer it still ran beautifully! The snow mod that you're talking about is called Simple Snow which you can pair with Snow Weather FEAR Edition. Your historical videos brought me to Rdr2 as well as duke and zonkers, so it was amazing to see the colab!
Yoo another point to add that bill is gay, is that in red dead redemption 1 when hogtie and capturing javier escuela if you wait long enough john says this "so its you and bill now you two sharing one bed" and javier replies "hey c'mon its not like this"
It's most likely Red Harlowe exists as merely a mythological folk tale in Red Dead Redemption 1 and 2. Which would explain why the events of Red Dead Revolver are so silly and over the top. People in the RDR universe are recalling events that never happened and putting their own spin on them.
Abigail ain't a rat. Bill is super gay. Person ain't a rat. Jack is obviously johns son. I do agree that Molly may have been pregnant. Micah was already ratting on them in chap 3.
@@dingus123-ll7tzMicah told Dutch about the idea and they went with it, but it goes wrong when they get ambushed and Dutch killed a innocent women, Arthur and Hosea I believe we’re doing a separate robbery, I got confused as to why Arthur didn’t see what went down in black water due to him doing something else at the time, I do believe Micah gave Dutch some influence to be a cold hearted person who needed to survive and that’s exactly what happened with the women he choked to death at guarma and abandoning John durring the last score, with the debate whether or not Micah or Molly were the rats I doubt molly said anything worth of use other than the fact she was crazy in love with Dutch I had my suspicions on the mission we free Micah from prison he didn’t return to camp it’s like he had other business to attend to I did believe he did snitch on chapter 5 but he was in guarma with the gang or how he was screaming Arthur’s name repeatedly when he killed almost half the town in strawberry
Before the Saint Denis robbery, at camp Hosea told Arthur that Abigail is “looking around in Saint Denis” or something like that. Like how’d John get arrested and the rest is getting shot at, like she was making a trade
7:57 this i firmly believe! i have always thought it was obvious with his saying he is see seeing three during the end of the escape. It's the classic sign of a head injury and the man never gets medical treatment. He just goes downhill after that event showing signs of several different possible illnesses
I like to think in the context of Revolver and the Redemption games are in seperate universes. Uncle is an alternate version of Red Harlow. Basically Red Harlow is what Uncle might have been but in the Redemption universe was known as "The One Shot Kid" instead of Red Harlow.
Here me out, how cool would it be if RDR3 was a game set years before RDR2 and you get to play as both Red Harlow and Landon Ricketts (like in gta v) They both have a mysterious untold part of their gunslinging days. It could be that they ran together as two of the greatest gunslingers of all time. And you, as the player, get to live out their glory days riding together. Maybe they'll have a third gang member that you can also play as but he dies at the end, and Harlow and Ricketts get revenge
Rockstar's gotta be lying or mistaken when they said that Red Dead Revolver and RDR are two seperate universes. Red Harlow was clearly mentioned by a camper you meet on RDR2. He even tells Arthur/John about Harlow's backstory.
Harlow is mentioned in campfire conversations in Redemption 1 as well. My take on it is that Red Harlow was a real figure in the Red Dead universe, who's story has been embellished and romanticised to the point where it's impossible to separate truth from the legend. Red Dead Revolver tells the mythologised version of Harlow's story, and so for that reason it can be regarded as both part of as well as separate from the Redemption universe.
Abigail point is interesting. Another thing I have just considered though is how its a little strange how 'uninviting' Abigail is to the gang members in the epilogue. She also in some ways defends Micah, trying to dissuade plans to kill him. Its also crossed my mind that when she kills Milton whilst he identifies Micah, she could be trying to cover her back as she's scared he will mention her involvement also?
The reason there was human bones and blood in the cave is because the murfee blood lived there before the camp and Dutch was too lazy to get rid of it😅
2:40 They didn’t say separate universes, the quote says continuity That means the events of revolver very well could’ve happened in RDR’s universe but not in the same period Basically I think Uncle is either Red Harlow or was a close friend of Harlow (more likely) decades ago, and the events of Revolver took place during that time period instead Thus the timeline, continuity, is different, but the general events still happened to some extent And I think that can pretty much be said of every single Rockstar game lol I think RDRev, RDRed, GTA, LA Noire, Bully, etc. all exist in the same uni/multiverse but there is a certain elasticity to dates, times, and events😊
A theory that supports the Abigail theory is the fact that she saved Arthur because she knew that he was slowly starting to criticize and turn against Dutch for his actions. And, Milton was probably thinking that Arthur would find a way to survive, so he lied and said Micah was the rat.
Another thing that’s wrong with the Josiah = the strange man theory is that John would definitely recognize one of the many people he was in a gang with for years, even with him popping in and out of the gang from time to time.
Regarding bill I noticed after breaking out mica is when you can get bill asking for hair promenade and Arthur will ask who you tryna impress or something along that line
The Abigail theory changed my whole perception of the story for me. As for when Milton dies and doesn't tell Arthur that it was Abigail, I think you could pass that as Milton holding up his end of the bargain. Only for Abigail to realize that Arthur is as much a part of her family as John and turn on Milton herself. I think it would be believable that she was fake tied up to give the illusion that she was under threat in case any of the gang that would come looking for her. After all she managed to get out of the restraints no problem. As with any theory it's not perfect but has enough that makes sense, to me at least
I've always had a hard time believing Micah was the rat, he's so obsessed with survival and so careful I don't really think he'd carelessly leave clue around his camp. I also think about his correspondence with Amos, and what did he write to Amos first. Also his guns with the vengeance is hereby mine etched in, maybe he wanted revenge on Dutch and played the long game? There's of unanswered questions
The problem with revolver and redemption being in separate universes is there are random encounters in rdr1 (and maybe 2 idk) that mention red Harlow and his deeds
Milton maybe captured Abigail, just to bring and mislead Arthur, release him and bring chaos to the gang, while Abigail, probably had already given up on being a rat, after Hosea got killed, and attacks Milton, who thinks she is still on his side.
It's crazy how the RDR1 Red Harlow model looks so similar to Uncle. They're probably not the same person but still. I also viewed "Revolver not being cannon" because its the retelling of the LEGEND of Red Harlow than the actual events that happened. There's story's about Red Harlow you can hear in both games.
@@agirlinabasementofyourdaddy Yes I played the multiplayer way back in 2010 and for years after. Haven't played in a while but all I'm saying is in those side by side, they have almost the same nose and eyes. Uncle looks like a fatter, older Red in THOSE pics. Chill brotha
It doesn't make since in the slightest in the story.His family is killed by outlaws but he decides to live with a infamous gang in his older years who ruined people's lives for years on end?
@@zombiekiller4313 read my comment. I said they’re probably not the same person it’s just fun to think about. I don’t actually think Red is Uncle, was just saying they looks weirdly similar in those pics. I also was just pointing out that the events that happen in revolver are not canon because it’s in the basis of a legend being told, but the stories of red Harlow are told in campfires in rdr1, so Red could be very real in the red dead universe. I wasn’t arguing for uncle and red being the same person.
Maybe the true theory is the friends we made along the way
and uncle is red harlow of course
@@thegreatajar7818 no red harlow is half native uncle isn't
We can all agree bill is gay 😂
@@dustyloc6331no stop ruining dreams he’s red Harlow in my eyes😢😢
Like Mickey!
My opinion about when John gets arrested in Saint Denis is that if he was with the gang on the boat he would have most likely died when the boat sinks cause of the fact he can’t swim 🏊♀️
Can't swim, can't draw, can't be a good father
This makes so much sense from a writing stand point, can’t believe I never put two and two together lol
@@Casual_guy1234 bro think he low honor arthur
@@dovakhiin7407 mister
That's a nice opinion
For an idiot
Wait bro this is genius. Aint no way bro would have lived for rdr1 if he was on that boat 😂
I love how there a dramatic fiery into that just says “BILL IS GAY” 💀
Lmfao
fr tho
He was discharged from the army for “deviancy” and back then society didn’t accept same sex attraction.
hahahahaha
AS IN HOMOSEXUAL
Personally, I like to think that after Red Dead Revolver, Red Harlow retired from the life of a Wild West gunslinger and lived a regular life. To rid himself of his past, Red changes his name to Leigh Johnson clears Armadillo of all the squatters and makes it livable again after the diseases we see in RDR2’s New Austin pass through, where the people elect him as Sheriff
Hmmmmm, I think he gets lumbago and joined a gang where he could think all day, but hey, you can have your dellusions
@@Casual_guy1234it's people like you who make others hate people who think red harlow is uncle, we can respect your opinion, as long as you respect ours, calling other theories "delusions" because you're mad that not everybody agrees with you is a loser move.
@@DucksAreCool08 I SEE TROUGH THE LIES OF THE RATIONAL PEOPLE
I think he just retired
thats a good theory, red harlow is marshall johnson? new hedcanon alert
So my gf works with ppl with tbi's
The trolly accident could absolutely cause severe swelling and possibly bleeding. The loss of hosea and knowing he likely caused his gang to fail would only compound any symptoms. As well as the guilt of shooting that girl in the head. Yes he'd start loosing his grip on sanity
Dutch doesn’t feel guilt for shooting Heidi McCourt It’s very obvious Dutch is a narcissist, a hypocrite, and a manipulative liar
1. Whenever people are against his plans and want to lay low he gets easily angered and argues with them
2. He continuously tries to rope the gang into danger
3. Constantly tries to pin his faults on other gang members
4. Freudian slips Always says “I” instead of “We” and corrects himself whenever people talking about getting out of a tough situation
5. Despite saying he’s against revenge he constantly tries to go after Colm
6. Cheats on, neglects, and insults Molly (Flirts with the girl gang members despite Dutch being a father figure to everyone)
7. Constantly tries to excuse his actions by saying “I have no choice” or “We have no choice”
8. Demeans the gang members if they seem like they’re “doubting” him
Then there’s everything else but by that point Dutch was breaking or already broke
And the gang not caring about Ms. McCourt
I’m a psych student. It really doesn’t take much of a bump to the head to cause even the slightest amount of damage or a concussion.
Hosea said that Dutch was acting different way before he hit his head
Or he could just have been a paranoid schizophrenic, who's symptoms progressed very slowly over the years. As the 💩 hit the fan, more & more Micah whispering in his ear, and the trolley crash, it sped it up rapidly until his downfall
Fun Fact: The three shots that John shoots at the Strange Man foreshadow's the three bodies being there on that same hill at the end of the game (Uncle, John, Abigail), pretty much confirming that the Strange Man is the Grim Reaper.
and his fourth bullet jams in the gun (symbolizing his son, jack lives)
@@bunnyx0x0x03 Does the gun actually jam or John simply stops shooting because it wasn't doing anything?
red harlow theory will always be funny since there’s a 10 year time gap between revolver and 2
Is that all it is? Damn, I've never played Revolver but I'd assumed it was set earlier than that
Rough 10 years for old Uncle, for the people who believe those theories 😂
@@matthewlacey4198tbf I don’t think anyone acc believes that theory. With Rockstar even saying it was wrong (FunWithGuru made an iceberg video on red dead 2 where he outlined this, honestly a phenomenal video and a phenomenal channel)
@@Venom-xd9stive met plenty of people who definitely do buy into that theory
That's enough time lol
@@adamhenrywalkerbro looks about 27 in red dead revolver💀 are you telling me a 37 year old man looks like uncle? And even in rdr1 he still is 49 if he was in the same universe
Aye bruh this quality is top tier I like how you didn’t just mention 50 different theories and actually went into depth with the most plausible and compelling ones
I think that the trolley accident made his mind realize more irrational conclusions much more easier to convince of himself than before. Ofc dutch had... 'plans' before the accident but after it i believe the accident further worsened it
Saying Jack doesn't look like a Marston because of a mustache is crazy 💀
Bro styled it
tell that to the red dead community
@@Waxyyy well shit
You got me there
To add the Dutch brain injury, in the mission where Eagle Flies, Dutch, Charles, and Arthur steal horses from an army boat, when Dutch crashes, it looks like he was very dizzy, possibly relating to the trolley incident
I can believe Micah being a rat as early as that, given how despite all that running and hiding , Milton and the Pinkertons are always a step right behind.
The only thing why I don’t think he would turn Dutch in that early (Colms set up) is because Micah still doesn’t have the location of the Blackwater money that only Dutch and MAYBE Hosea know the location of
Colm might give him money for turning in Dutch plus the bounty already on his head might be more than the black water money
Micah was a rat from the start. Back in Chapter One he kept saying to go back to blackwater to get the money, wanting to get them into the hands of pinkertons.
I think one of the main grounds for the strange man theory is that Arthur’s journal says that he saw someone similar in stature to trelawney in blackwater, and later trelawney says he was in blackwater. We also know from rdr1 that the strange man was in both blackwater and st. Denis.
That does not explain the deal The Strange Man made with Herbert Moon.
We are ALL watching this iceberg lil bro 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Cool
Snook?
Been waiting for this one. Excellent video, as always!
“Our favorite rat” probably the best way to explain how people feel about Micah.
The idea of Jack being Javier's son based on facial hair STYLE is just silly tbh. The way in which you STYLE your facial hair isn't genetic
The way it grows can be
Sure, hair styles arent, but hair growth is. av Thickness, average length
@pushpopvr bro this is Rockstar who inject insane detail. Easy for them. Or just replace one of the other hairstyles they made with it
Of all the theories, I gotta say, I really hate the “Trelawny being The Strange Man” one with passion 😄
worst one I’ve ever heard. these theories are the ones the community has been spending around for years, some okay, most terrible.
@@Waxyyy And it's also the fact that we literally see the Strange Man in the cabin in Lakay in the mirror, so why on earth would he be Trelawny! Some people...
13:50 the mystery meat you mentioned is just the default steak. John has some for jack and abigail in undead nightmare right in the verh beginning when they turn into zombies.
Nah John just had some leftover cooked human for them to munch on.
I love commenting for waxys engagement and to boost him in the UA-cam algorithm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@SeanEazy I agree, if Snook was a true youtuber he’d see how THESE DANG ICEBERGS MEAN NOTHING, THIS IS THE LOWEST FORM OF CONTENT!!
So when is waxy going to do voice over on one of your icebergs¿ Lol
Icebergs pretty entertaining tho, sometimes.@@dukemeiser19
If Abigail is a rat then she is stupid, because ratting on the gang puts not only herself but Jack at risk. As shown when they show up right after they reunite at Lakay. I just don’t see Abigail putting Jack at risk like that. Hosea definitely sacrificed himself to get Abigail out. That’s in his character
Make sure to pack an outfit suitable for cold climate on your horse before embarking on an expedition on an iceberg
I have to admit I was so focused on the content and information in this video I didn't realize 3 different voices narrated this video until after watching the whole thing. Good video, though!
Thank you! Their names are in the description if u wanna check them out
Im from the future and imma spoil the next 3 rockstar games for you.
GTA6 reveals the man in the hat is actually rockstars version of the watchers. It assumed the role of angel of death in red dead 3 times(aka when dutch starts the van der linde gang) and reveals themselves in GTA 6 in a dlc update. In Bully 2 they make a cameo as the local groundskeeper AFTER clearing a certian mission
This better come true
Real
Where's the source, boyo?
@@thientuongnguyen2564 when a man with a sing song voice asks for a source, it always concerns me, boyo...
Uncle's exaggerated backstories are Red Harlow.
Yeah, red dead revolver was an exadurated tale of uncles youth. This is what should be cannon
And uncle is red harlow still
@@Casual_guy1234but revolver takes place only 10 years before redemption 2
@@IrisWasTaken1 Lumbago caused red to age as fast as kenobi
@@Casual_guy1234 yes so sad 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭fuck lumbago
Rockstar is explicitly, said that red dead revolver and red dead redemption are two completely separate universes but what I think is that uncle is this universe’s red harlow as red Harlow is mentioned
I agree that the trolley accident could have changed dutch's mental health. But summarize everything we see in the game to "he hit his head" is just to simple
Hosea and Arthur says multiple times in chapter 1, 2 and 3 that Dutch is different. That he's acting and doing things differently now.
When Sadie asks Arthur what happened to Dutch in chapter 6, he says "It seems like what started happening in blackwater started happening long before.. a slow decline perhaps"
In Arthur's journal, before blackwater, he writes about how they had money and the opportunity to disappear and buy some land. But didn't, because Dutch just didn't liked any land that they found and kept blocking their attempts to make it work.
I feel that this event made Dutch's "nature" kick in.
He noticed that fighting could be more important than saving his loved ones.
I feel that he was conflicted about this two options during the whole game.
He sometimes talks about the gang as family. And sometimes talk about them as disposable soldiers "of course it would be casualties"
Then he gets cornered by this changing world with constant pressure.
Being doubted and confronted by the people that always idealized him. His failures causing pain and deaths
Having a big trauma on the head, losing his best friend, his younger son/brother and getting stuck in a hot af island far from his land.
Honestly it's surprising he was able to form complete sentences in chapter six.
+ i'm playing the game again and i just noticed that when Arthur tries to talk with bill and javier about Dutch's recent choices. They never even mention leaving, they always bring the "if we have to fight, we fight. With we have to die, we die"
My theory is that the original sequel had Bill be the bad guy before being replaced by Micah
If there is a heaven and hell, Arthur's hell would be having to watch all that Dutch does after Arthur's passing
It broke Arthur's heart already, seeing what Dutch became in the later chapters; but seeing what a monster Dutch became by RDR1, would absolutely crush Arthur. And then seeing Dutch kill himself because of his own insanity and desperation.
Then again, he'd get to see Dutch shoot Micha :)
I think Abigail being the rat is a solid theory. It even makes sense canonically, the pinkertons make a deal with Abigail to bring down Dutch. But in RDR2 they didn’t manage to bring down Dutch. They track down Abigail and then tell John they’re keeping her hostage until the jobs done. Why else choose John? Dutch at least suspects John and Abigail and maybe that’s why he didn’t want to save John.
Wow I hope you do more icebergs in the future!
Dutch was already quite vile before the trolley mission. Good men just dont shoot innocent women, case in point during the Blackwater heist. I think the potential brain injury definitely sped up his decline, but he was already slipping
Keep up the good work, I love watching rdr2 theories thinking there are countless of them
All Waxy videos are fire, this one will probably burn the iceberg down with how fire it is
Loved the video bro! The quality is getting better and better 💪
Thank you bro! 🤙
I think micah coulve ratted in blackwater i cant remeber if it was dutch in the first mission or javier when they went to rescue john he says it was almost like they knew they would rob the ferryboat
It’s more than just one line dutch says “I bumped my head badly” When the crash happens
2:51 made me laugh so much
A iceberg made by a creator I trust and a creator that’s involved with the main community and his own community. Never give up dude.
That means so much to me dude, thank you
You talked about how the strange man’s clothes were to represent death but there’s a theory that he’s death himself and he gives him the quest to deliver him death. (Also great video)
My opinion a red dead story about Lyle Morgan would be pretty sick, since his story is pretty much untold and his whole identity is barely mentioned at all throughout the story
To anyone wondering whether or not Uncle really is Red Harlow;
The answer is clearly, NO.
Now let me explain.
-Red Harlow was no older than his 20s by the time his story ended. So he wouldn't be older than his 30s, possibly 40s by the time of RDR2. Uncle is clearly older than that.
-There is no scorpion scar on Uncle’s right hand (unlike Red Harlow). In the first level of Red Dead Revolver, Red grabs his father’s revolver and fires it while it is engulfed in flames. The revolver had a scorpion emblem on the grip, and that emblem was burned on to the palm of Red’s hand. After that scene, we are shown a time-skip, and it is revealed that as an adult, Red covers his entire right hand with a red colored handkerchief. There is no sign of the scarring or the handkerchief on Uncle’s hand.
-Red Harlow was very morally strict and a famous bounty hunter.
Red spent the majority of his life fighting and hunting down gangs, even gangs similar to Dutch's gang, and taking down infamous nasty people. I would question why anyone thinks he would be living with outlaws now.
-the nickname "One Shot Kid" is never used for Red Harlow. In fact, that name does not exist anywhere in this series apart from the one time Uncle says it in camp. It was not intended on being anything other than another drunk Uncle anecdote.
Absolutely wonderful, not finished yet but ive always been waiting for a large collection of the theories about rdr2. I've just started a fresh, heavily modded (for looks) playthough
Seriously a good video, well presented and executed. Some of the script felt a little rushed when spoken, but explains extremely well.
Thank you so much and what kinda mods you using for ur play through? Im looking to get some mods myself, specifically the one that makes the whole world snowy. Mods just bring something new to the game. Anyway again thank you bro 🙏
@@WaxyyyCurrently I'm using multiple 4k upscales as well as CERR for Euphoria, Another Horse Overhaul, PDO and personally I would recommend mods from Wickedhorseman on nexus. There's a lot more in my list, I could compile it if you'd like, but I went for a complete overhaul after completing the game normally. Installation for me took a while, mainly the downloading process, but despite my mediocre computer it still ran beautifully! The snow mod that you're talking about is called Simple Snow which you can pair with Snow Weather FEAR Edition.
Your historical videos brought me to Rdr2 as well as duke and zonkers, so it was amazing to see the colab!
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That “have a wax-tastic day!” was totally unexpected considering the very chill tone of the video😂
u should’ve seen my reaction mid editing
yeah that was extremely annoying
Mannn please keep posting
Theories youtube algorithm finally brought me to a banger
Yoo another point to add that bill is gay, is that in red dead redemption 1 when hogtie and capturing javier escuela if you wait long enough john says this "so its you and bill now you two sharing one bed" and javier replies "hey c'mon its not like this"
It's most likely Red Harlowe exists as merely a mythological folk tale in Red Dead Redemption 1 and 2. Which would explain why the events of Red Dead Revolver are so silly and over the top. People in the RDR universe are recalling events that never happened and putting their own spin on them.
Iirc you can hear Harlow's tale from NPC's in rdr1
Abigail ain't a rat.
Bill is super gay.
Person ain't a rat.
Jack is obviously johns son.
I do agree that Molly may have been pregnant.
Micah was already ratting on them in chap 3.
But is Dutch a cannibal?
Micha was ratting from black water I think since the Pinkerton showed up so fast there
@@kanenums8888 no
@@Owlman64 blackwater was a setup though wasnt it
@@dingus123-ll7tzMicah told Dutch about the idea and they went with it, but it goes wrong when they get ambushed and Dutch killed a innocent women, Arthur and Hosea I believe we’re doing a separate robbery, I got confused as to why Arthur didn’t see what went down in black water due to him doing something else at the time, I do believe Micah gave Dutch some influence to be a cold hearted person who needed to survive and that’s exactly what happened with the women he choked to death at guarma and abandoning John durring the last score, with the debate whether or not Micah or Molly were the rats I doubt molly said anything worth of use other than the fact she was crazy in love with Dutch I had my suspicions on the mission we free Micah from prison he didn’t return to camp it’s like he had other business to attend to I did believe he did snitch on chapter 5 but he was in guarma with the gang or how he was screaming Arthur’s name repeatedly when he killed almost half the town in strawberry
I think uncle is rather a reference or tribute to Red Harlow, But i could imagine uncle being a gunslinger earlier in his life.
That intro music got me in tears ngl, idk y.
Waxy…you’re awesome bruh!!
Before the Saint Denis robbery, at camp Hosea told Arthur that Abigail is “looking around in Saint Denis” or something like that. Like how’d John get arrested and the rest is getting shot at, like she was making a trade
7:57 this i firmly believe! i have always thought it was obvious with his saying he is see seeing three during the end of the escape. It's the classic sign of a head injury and the man never gets medical treatment. He just goes downhill after that event showing signs of several different possible illnesses
I love waxy your quality is so good
Great video! Keep it up!
bro just gave me an extensional crisis with the “in the 20 years of the RDR franchise” fuck we’re old man
20 years and only 3 games is crazy. My birthday was around 2 weeks before red dead 1
Great video Waxy! Love these theories😄
Hey man thank you so much for commenting 🙏
@@Waxyyy of course! We've been watching. Just haven't had much chance to comment on the videos. But you have been doing amazing man. Keep it up!
13:59 - there is a face on the bath tub
Oh yeah
Personally I like to think red is uncle just cause it connects the three games better.
I like to think in the context of Revolver and the Redemption games are in seperate universes. Uncle is an alternate version of Red Harlow. Basically Red Harlow is what Uncle might have been but in the Redemption universe was known as "The One Shot Kid" instead of Red Harlow.
cool video, nice editing! :3
I didn’t get a notification to your new vid
great vid
Very nice video!
Love the red dead content keep up the good work.👍
Awesome video, Waxy! 🔥
My theory is that revolver is a story that john tells because at the start of the game rdr2 Arthur says he likes telling storys
Here me out, how cool would it be if RDR3 was a game set years before RDR2 and you get to play as both Red Harlow and Landon Ricketts (like in gta v)
They both have a mysterious untold part of their gunslinging days. It could be that they ran together as two of the greatest gunslingers of all time. And you, as the player, get to live out their glory days riding together.
Maybe they'll have a third gang member that you can also play as but he dies at the end, and Harlow and Ricketts get revenge
AND HAVE A WAXTASTIC DAY had me rolling
Rockstar's gotta be lying or mistaken when they said that Red Dead Revolver and RDR are two seperate universes. Red Harlow was clearly mentioned by a camper you meet on RDR2. He even tells Arthur/John about Harlow's backstory.
Harlow is mentioned in campfire conversations in Redemption 1 as well.
My take on it is that Red Harlow was a real figure in the Red Dead universe, who's story has been embellished and romanticised to the point where it's impossible to separate truth from the legend. Red Dead Revolver tells the mythologised version of Harlow's story, and so for that reason it can be regarded as both part of as well as separate from the Redemption universe.
They mention him, but no one has actually ever seen him. They just heard stories.
That's just an easter egg
Abigail point is interesting. Another thing I have just considered though is how its a little strange how 'uninviting' Abigail is to the gang members in the epilogue. She also in some ways defends Micah, trying to dissuade plans to kill him. Its also crossed my mind that when she kills Milton whilst he identifies Micah, she could be trying to cover her back as she's scared he will mention her involvement also?
A new red dead iceberg let’s go 😭, I haven’t seen a new one in MONTHS
7:08 why everyone frogot that milton said micah was a rat after chapter 5(after geting back from guarma) so abigail can be a rat before chapter 5
The reason there was human bones and blood in the cave is because the murfee blood lived there before the camp and Dutch was too lazy to get rid of it😅
9:10 “Since the whole gang had their turn” is MAD crazy
I feel like I’m the only one who sees John in the grown up version of Jack
9:20 he canonically looks very similar to John even a lot of the npcs say this to jack in the epilogue
8:00 rdr3 better give you the ability to hijack trollies
the micah being a rat for the odriscolls in chapter 3 makes perfect sense because he had to be snitching to somebody
Good video waxy never disappoint 🔥👍
11:42 this bounty must be really old cuz as Milton says Arthur's is 5k and Milton wanted Dutch more than anyone
2:40 They didn’t say separate universes, the quote says continuity
That means the events of revolver very well could’ve happened in RDR’s universe but not in the same period
Basically I think Uncle is either Red Harlow or was a close friend of Harlow (more likely) decades ago, and the events of Revolver took place during that time period instead
Thus the timeline, continuity, is different, but the general events still happened to some extent
And I think that can pretty much be said of every single Rockstar game lol
I think RDRev, RDRed, GTA, LA Noire, Bully, etc. all exist in the same uni/multiverse but there is a certain elasticity to dates, times, and events😊
A theory that supports the Abigail theory is the fact that she saved Arthur because she knew that he was slowly starting to criticize and turn against Dutch for his actions. And, Milton was probably thinking that Arthur would find a way to survive, so he lied and said Micah was the rat.
I think Abigail bring inexplicably lucky at points can probably just be chalked up to the fact that she has to survive to be in RDR1.
Another thing that’s wrong with the Josiah = the strange man theory is that John would definitely recognize one of the many people he was in a gang with for years, even with him popping in and out of the gang from time to time.
I thought strongly about Dutchs head injury in my second playthru... before watching any theory about it
bill being a gay and micah making a deal with the odriscolls are the only ones i buy. fun video tho!
Regarding bill I noticed after breaking out mica is when you can get bill asking for hair promenade and Arthur will ask who you tryna impress or something along that line
i feel like uncle made up his backstory and changed so people wouldn't go oh that's red harlow and try to kill or bother him
I'm not completely disregarding the Dutch being a cannibal theory, but the mysterious meat on his plate is just a porterhouse/T-Bone beef steak
Came here from reddit. Nice vid (:
First time watching one of your videos and I thought it was great so here's one for the algorithm.
The Abigail theory changed my whole perception of the story for me. As for when Milton dies and doesn't tell Arthur that it was Abigail, I think you could pass that as Milton holding up his end of the bargain. Only for Abigail to realize that Arthur is as much a part of her family as John and turn on Milton herself. I think it would be believable that she was fake tied up to give the illusion that she was under threat in case any of the gang that would come looking for her. After all she managed to get out of the restraints no problem. As with any theory it's not perfect but has enough that makes sense, to me at least
Wonderfully made
I've always had a hard time believing Micah was the rat, he's so obsessed with survival and so careful I don't really think he'd carelessly leave clue around his camp. I also think about his correspondence with Amos, and what did he write to Amos first. Also his guns with the vengeance is hereby mine etched in, maybe he wanted revenge on Dutch and played the long game? There's of unanswered questions
Isn’t it confirmed that Micah is the rat by agent Milton?
Like you said he’s obsessed with survival, he’ll do anything to survive
yeah it is, but still how much can we trust milton and also why didn’t micah betray dutch after arthur’s death
a lot of^*
The problem with revolver and redemption being in separate universes is there are random encounters in rdr1 (and maybe 2 idk) that mention red Harlow and his deeds
Milton maybe captured Abigail, just to bring and mislead Arthur, release him and bring chaos to the gang, while Abigail, probably had already given up on being a rat, after Hosea got killed, and attacks Milton, who thinks she is still on his side.
What a long way you came from waxy proud of you my guy ❤🎉🎉🎉
Thank you dude
It's crazy how the RDR1 Red Harlow model looks so similar to Uncle. They're probably not the same person but still. I also viewed "Revolver not being cannon" because its the retelling of the LEGEND of Red Harlow than the actual events that happened. There's story's about Red Harlow you can hear in both games.
They absolutely do not look similar 😂 have you played RDR1 multiplayer? Whwre you have a character model for Harlow? How tall he actually is? 😂
@@agirlinabasementofyourdaddy Yes I played the multiplayer way back in 2010 and for years after. Haven't played in a while but all I'm saying is in those side by side, they have almost the same nose and eyes. Uncle looks like a fatter, older Red in THOSE pics. Chill brotha
It doesn't make since in the slightest in the story.His family is killed by outlaws but he decides to live with a infamous gang in his older years who ruined people's lives for years on end?
@@zombiekiller4313 read my comment. I said they’re probably not the same person it’s just fun to think about. I don’t actually think Red is Uncle, was just saying they looks weirdly similar in those pics. I also was just pointing out that the events that happen in revolver are not canon because it’s in the basis of a legend being told, but the stories of red Harlow are told in campfires in rdr1, so Red could be very real in the red dead universe. I wasn’t arguing for uncle and red being the same person.
@@McDiesel27 My bad.I read shit to fast.🤣🤣🤣
Dude that fkn intro sets a vibe…
Doesnt even give the rest of us a chance haha 😂