Godox AD360ii vs. AD600 vs. H600 Power comparison (Metered test results)
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Metered power output comparison between the Godox AD600 (Flashpoint Xplor), the Godox H600B (flashpoint xplor 600 extension), and Godox AD360ii (flashpoint streaklight TTL)
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Before I commit, I'm really looking at as many reviews as I can and this has been a very useful review Robert, thanks for sharing!
This was exactly what I have been looking for. When I was deciding what flash gear to get I was wanting a video comparing the power output between a strobe and a speed light so that I could make an informed decision with what I chose. I'm sure there would be people who would find it extremely helpful if you could do another video comparing various strobes and speed lights using a light meter, and labelling the video as such.
In the end I went with a 5x speed light kit and when I need extra power I mount 2 or 3 speed lights inside a single soft box.
Your amazing review and demonstration helped me alot and you earn one more subscriber! Really clean talking...I bought the Ad600bm with the external head because of your review!
Thanks for the sub Bill, glad it helped out!
I have an AD360ii plus multiple Godox hotshoe flashes. I actually have three TT350 flashes because I got two of them free from Adorama as part of a free package when I purchased my Sony cameras. That makes a nice travel flash kit...
I love that all these units are capable of speaking to each other.
The Li-on versions of my full size hotshoe flashes are great for their quick recycle while the "Y" power adapter is super for decreasing the recharge time on my AD360ii. At quarter power or lower, the recharge of the AD360ii with "Y" power yoke is almost instantaneous.
Awesome, really helpful. thank you
Muchas gracias! me ha sido muy util. ahora se que debo comprar.
Outstanding, thanks Robert
+Robert Holloway your welcome, thanks for watching!
Thanks I just purchased the 600 manual and 685 li-on TTL at Adorama.
thanks for the work here
No problem! glad it helped!
It is interesting to compare the actual light output of various strobes. For example, in my studio I have an ELB400 with Quadra Action head, an Dynamite Baja B4, and two Normal ML400 studio strobes. The energy input of the Baja and the Norman lights are rated @ 400 J (w-s) while the Elinchrom ELB400 is 424 J (W-s). Please note that the energy rating is the energy input to the flash tube- different flash tubes may differ in their efficiency. In a test using my old Sekonic L-358 meter, I measured the bare bulb output of each unit at full power from 6ft at ISO 100. The results are: Baja B4 F11, ELB400 F13, Norman ML400 F16. With 7" reflector Baja B4 F14, ELB400 F25, Norman ML400 F29. From the results, the Norman strobes are greatly under-rated, the Baja B4 has the lowest output. I wonder how the AD600 would compare to the Baja B4 and the Norman lights...
Thanks for this video! I own the AD600B TTL and the remote head and used it the other day for a shoot for Harper's BAZAAR. Being that I was shooting wide open at f/1.8, I noticed little to no difference in the power output between the head with the remote and without. At full power I noticed around 1/4 to 1/3rd stop (to my taste of exposure that is). So for all intent and purpose little to no differences what so ever. I love this system. The other day I used it all day long at the power output I needed and only used 2/5ths of the battery. I do have a second battery. But then again that was an interiors photo shoot.
Just once question, what are you using as a case for your GODOX AD600B system? I do have the Godox Pb-600 Portable Flash Strobe Bag for the AD600B module only and I noticed that the Adorama Flashpoint 600 version has a very nice carrying case for the module, bowl, module, extra bulb, battery etc. I wrote GODOX to ask if they have a similar unit and waiting on their response.
I purchased the actual GODOX case in orange and black directly from GODOX. They now have them. Exactly like the Flashpoint.
I use the same case from Godox. Flashpoint distributes a case in the exact same dimensions as the Godox bag. The only difference is the lid is padded on the Godox bag, flimsy on the Flashpoint bag (not sure why because otherwise they seem identical aside from the colors. Unfortunately it's not on Amazon, but I found it on Ebay as the Godox CB-09 . I fit 2 AD600's, AD360ii + battery, reflector, y-cable, and stand. I do not put my AD600 reflectors in there as I rarely use them.
Thank you for the video, one of the best on the UA-cam. Can I quickly ask if you used deflector plate inside your softbox in this set up or you were just shooting your strobes/Flashes directly through diffusing panel? I understand this brand of softbox comes with the plate as a beauty dish. Please also advise if you tested with and without such plate and if there was light power loss due to using deflector plate? Thank you
Thanks for the excellent review. According to your results what would you calculate the guide number (in feet) for the godox ad600?. Thanks again!
That's a decent amount of juice for a little speedlite, basically f/11 at ISO 100. That means at ISO 400 you could be shooting f/22 if need be. At least to me, that's pretty impressive for the cost and size savings over carrying larger units.
I use 2 AD360ii’s with out the modifiers they come with to shoot skateboarding outside in bright sunlight and they have absolutely no problem overpowering the sun to freeze action
Really appreciate the comparison Rob. Mostly I'm invested in the Phottix system (Odin) with their Mitros+ flashes (very reliable system) But have been thinking about getting the AD360II for TTL and HSS while using it with the phottix (odin) receivers so it can play nicely within my phottix system. Not sure if I'd want to get out of the phottix all together and get into the Godox system with X1 trigger, but might consider if the consistency and quality of light is not compromised at a better price point. Your thoughts?
Fascinating, thanks for doing this! Would you give us a brief update in the comments? Ever compared the AD200? Also add in some comments regarding how low each device can be dialed, that's sometimes a crucial factor, the flexibility to reduce the power to 1/128 o 1/256. Thanks!!!
I have a more recent power comparison including the H1200B, AD200, and QT600ii
Thank you for your review! Have you done any tests with the 1200ws head?
+Jesse Patterson I haven't yet Jesse. I'm considering grabbing one for the 2017 season though!
I found a rare problem in ad360ii c, while shooting at ISO 100 from my canon 700D it is giving me a red tone in all the pictures, in ISO 200 it is getting reduced and in ISO 400 nature colour tone can be seen. can you please explain it, why it's happening? I took few shots with other canon DSLRs and giving more or less same kind of images in different iso level
TT685 in that test has the zoom at 24mm, at 200mm what's the power?
What kind of stand do you have? I'm tired of carrying my c-stand around lol.
Great video man! Answered pretty much all of my questions. How is the tranceiver for this Godox/Flashpoint system... is it reliable? I currently use YN622 tranceivers, and I love them (except for a few quirks).
I prefer using a speedlite to control the off camera lights over the X-1. I find it really reliable, but I find the controls of the V860II / R2 Lithium Ion TTL way more user friendly. My problem with the X-1 is that I don't feel like I can look away and adjust the power. Like, 4 clicks isn't always 4 adjustments with the X-1, whereas I can easily navigate the adjusments without looking on the speedlites.
Hi Rob....this is the best i have seen in reviews. Thanks. However, over the years i do more of freelancing....wedding and portraits. But i just recently got a studio space and thinking on of getting a main light. I love portability anytime hence i would love to go with the ad360ii.... However i am so concerned that it doesn't have a modelling light just incase i wanna shot in low light....how do i focus? This is soo much of a concern to me. Any advice pls? The ad600 looks good but size amd weight are my turn off...just setting up a home studio. Thanks
Get an AD200 instead. Although, I don't think any of these LED lights on the portable flashes are very useful.
I would love to see A comparison between the ad600 and the phottix Indra 500.
Did you use the Y splitter to connect the AD360 to both sides of the battery? In my non-scientific tests the AD360 and the AD600 recycle about the same at the same power setting.
+Dan no Y splitter in this video, And yes the AD360II w/ y splitter and AD600 tend to have the same recycle speed at high powers but the AD600 is recycling double the light output
Robert I brought the H600 and I noticed that with the led turned on it heats more than the led from the ad600 body (not enough to burn my finger) it's that normal or my copy it's with some problem?
Hi Robert! Would you mind telling me how is the color consistency and light quality comparing it to Elinchrom, Profoto and Broncolor Monolights?
Hey Plamen,
So all I can say is I see no practical difference between the Godox AD600 and the Profoto B1 / Elinchrom Ranger Quadra in terms of color consistency. I've never touched a Broncolor light. Keep in mind, I work in weddings + occasional commercial work, but nothing where color is hyper critical (where at 50K shift would be problematic). Light quality...that's a buzz phrase to me, light is light, and it behaves under the same laws no matter what it comes out of. Things such as flash duration are detailed on my channel, and can be compared with details of other companies online. All I know is I was considering Profoto B1's for a long time when the Godox AD600 came out. Being a mixed flash user the Godox AD600 is a much better choice to me. The only reason I would choose a Profoto B1 over the AD600 is if I needed instant recycle at very high power outputs.
I hope this helps, I tried my best to answer while staying in my lane based on my true experiences.
Thank you so much Robert! You really made my day! : )
My very cheap Chinese studio strobes are a lot more consistent both in colour and aperture than my friend's Alien Bees. I also have the yn685 with the yn622c-tx and they are as good as anything canon do at a fraction of the cost. The days of Chinese imports being a joke are fading fast. I thinking the ad360 II are looking good because of their size and weight to get in to awkward spots. Great video.
Thank you for the work on this, I only have the Xplor 600 so far and have been evaluating options for expanding the system. The bit of extra power you mentioned metering may be due to the light bouncing off the table if you metered handheld first. I was initially disappointed seeing the loss of power with the extension head that just about matched the 360ii, but as you mention the recycle time is a great advantage, as well as the LED modeling light, and the larger capacity battery. The 360ii is shaping up to be a nice option though for quick shoots with limited bag space and mobility in mind! Are you able to control the AD600 modeling light from the TT685 when it's used as the master on camera?
Yeah I'm really liking both. the AD360II is phenomenal when I'm working alone. Yes, the AD600 triggers off the TT685 as a controller on camera, as does the AD360II.
Thank you, can you turn the AD600 modeling light on/of from the TT685 as controller? With the X1 transmitter you can double tap the CH button to turn it on off.
+Seamless Media that's a great question. I'm doing video work today so away from my flash gear currently, I'll look into that tonight for you!
are there any videos that show the limits of the 360 and the 600 in use. I only ever see the 360 been used close in I've not seen it used to light groups yet would it take to two 360's to light a group of people.
that all depends on the ambient/modifier situation. I have used the AD360 barebulb to light a family group with the sun at their back. If you were using a softbox or reverse umbrella you probably won't have much luck in sunlight with a group.
I have got that godox 360 ll but it seems to be underesposing on Canon it is so inconsistent
Hi Robert, you should try a comparison of betweenAD600/H600 and Profoto B1/B2. Many people like myself would be interested in alternative options to expensive profoto gears.
I've really wanted to do this myself, and include the AD360ii against the B2 as well. As soon as I find someone local with the gear who will let me test them I will share the results with everyone
One word...Thanks!
:) No problem!
+Robert Hall ...How many times did you drop the Flash Meter? Have you compared it with another meter?
lol, once, 28 inches onto carpet. I'm pretty sure we can rule that out as a non-factor of the test given it put out the same figure pre/post drop, continued to give consistent 10th stop results, and showed no signs of being failing to operate.
Do the color temperatures of the ad600 and 360 cut well? I would love to get a 360 to pair with my 600. You can place the 360 in unique spots and boom it over head easily, etc.
They do. They seem to be within 100 degrees of each other and are both very consistent. I tend to pick between the two as my primary light source but they are cohesive when used together as well.
I use an omnibounce on my speedlights in the softbox to help spread the light around inside.
+John Bergman I do something similar in the field, using a frosted cap for the Spinlight 360 to spread the light.
Would this mean that when converted to a pack and head system using the H600 extension cable, the AD600 would lose the ability to use the modeling lamp as the LED modeling lamp is located on the pack only?
The H600 also has a modelling LED in it.
Do you know if Godox has a good track record of keeping parts available? Would I be able to find a new bulb or new battery a couple years from now if I need it? Thanks!
I'm not positive as I haven't been using Godox for a long time. I would say, due to how wildly successful this system has been, I would expect replacement bulbs and batteries to be around for a while.
could you do a test of the h1200 head too
hey i finally got my ad600 and perhaps considering getting another unit. however i am not so sure if that is the right lighr to bring 2 of those units to light in weddings (ceremonies where i live are almost every time ar night). ir to get 2 of those ad360. my only complain is that the ad360 and ad600 are almost the same prize. so why paying the same when with the ad600 i get more power?
when would you use one over the other? thanks man!
I have 2 of the AD600 and 1 of the AD360ii. I'll use my AD600's as my 2 primary lights to fill a reception hall with a base level of light. Generally at a low power. The AD360 could easily do this as well. I basically use the AD600 if i'm fighting with the sun and need every drop of power I can get. I use the AD360ii if sun is not as much of an issue and I'm working alone, or if I have to move a lot at a location as its just lighter and faster to use.
Where did you buy yours. I cannot find the canon ttl version on amazon
Huge size and weight difference! If you are using the flash on a light stand on a photo shoot outdoors, carrying the AD600 around is a lot harder than the AD360
Nicely done.... Have you looked at 'hypersync' power at 1/1 for the ad600 and ad360 compared to 'HSS'. Incidentally it sounds (by your recycle speed on the ad360) you need the y connector for the PB960 battery....
I quickly bought the Y Connector for the AD360II after someone told me about it. Now when I recommend the AD360ii to someone I tell them the stand clamp and y-connector are "required" accessories lol. It makes an insane difference.
Anyways, the hypersync power 1/1 maintains a similar power gap between the two.
The point I was making about 'hypersync' is that by my testing (which isnt very rigorous) you get one extra stop power at 1/1 compared to HSS at 1/1 (full power) on the ad600. I havent tested hypersync on the ad360 but I am really interested in getting power efficiency out of the ad600.
oh, yes, I seem to lose about 2/3-1 stop in efficiency immediately flipping to hss in real world usage. Oddly enough they tend to meter almost equal though. Not sure whats going on there!
HI How do I unlock the Godox 360 II ?? mystery or
nice review,... am just confuse i went to hong kong last week and buy ad600 manual... what confuse me is that the H600 am trying to buy has 2 different price from 2 stores in hong kong... 1st store around US$40 and from the other store it cost around US$90 ... is there 2 kinds of H600,...
i was thinking the other H600 might be TTL compatible thats why its more expensive,... could you please enlighten me am confuse...
i didn't buy the product H600 only the AD600.... please help... thanks
There is a Godox mount (H600), and a Bowens mount (H600B), although they should be the same price. Both are TTL/non TTL depending on your AD600
What type of softbox do you suggest for engagement shoots for either speedlight or Xplor? Thx
Hey Jim,
This is my favorite softbox cause it is an exceptional value.
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Unfortunately, due to it's high recommendation, it is typically delayed in shipping.
With the bowens mount you can use with this to have it work with AD600 and speedlights or even an AD360II
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If you can't wait for the shipping delay on the box I previous suggested, the Phottix Spartan softbox in 28" is a great alternative.
will the ad 360 work with sony ?????
Thanks for the video. What size and brand is the octabox ? Thanks
36" octa
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Does AD360ii work in HSS at any power or does it only work in HSS at 1/1 ? Great video thanks!
any output just like AD600.
Wow... I never knew that AD600 has more power than H600. I thought AD600 and H600 have the same power. This is great to know for me. Thanks!
Glad to help! in general, lighting will suffer efficiency loss as it has greater distance to travel. So any time cabling is involved you can expect to lose some light output.
Get the 2:1 cable for the 360 and the recycle times are cut in 1/2.
FYI The original AD 600s were delivered with about the same output as the 360.
As near as I can tell the early lights were only available direct from China.
In the next rendition Godox increased the power output well over a stop...a step in the right direction!
I hear Godox is starting to ship new studio strobes (mains powered) compatible with the new triggers.
If so this is the first time a manufacturer has assembled a coordinated system speedlight to big studio strobe.
Very exciting stuff!
I have since ordered a Y Cable and love what it does for the AD360II.
The original AD600 shipping with the same power as AD360 is simply not true. considering both the AD600s tested in this video were ordered the very first day they were available from China, and are quite possibly the first two AD600s to hit stateside.
And yes, their QT-600 Series monolight is getting a version II with the radio technology built in.
Robert Hall I was told about the early production thing by Strobepro out of Canada. Strobe pro re brands container loads of Jinei and Godox lights then warranties them. They said they rejected the first AD 600s and that they were had just tested version 2 and it was a lot more powerful.
If you doubt me talk to Jesse the GM at Strobe pro
+Smokin07ram only reason I doubt is because I own two of them, but I'm not going to waste time on he said / she said. Who knows, but in this video version 1s beat 360s by 1.4 stops, that's all I have to go off of.
Robert Hall
No worries man...I am only filling you in on what I know. To be frank I am impressed by the power of the AD600....Makes the weight worth while IMHO
can you use the Godox Ad 600 with electric wall power if u don't want to use the battery
+sunny kiri there is an AC Adapter that goes in place of the battery for use with wallpower
Would love to know what the power loss is if you run it on 1/800s in HSS mode
The efficiency loss of the AD600 and AD360ii in hss is .1 stop. But, you will also lose a stop for each stop of shutter speed increase over your sync rate. So, if your max sync speed is 1/200, you will lose 2.1 stops at 1/800.
What was the value of the zoom setting on the 685 for this test?
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Why does your AD600B have an M at the end? (AD600BM) On amazon there seems to be a choice between the two at different prices. Anyone know?
+Christopher O'Grady M = Manual
B = bowens mount. I have the AD600BM, there are 4 versions total.
Robert Hall Photography ah thankyou, the Chinese don't half know how to name things confusingly. So looks like the AD600B is the one to get, bowens mount and ttl!
+Christopher O'Grady yeah I don't know anyone who purchased an AD600 or AD600M, everyone gets the bowens mount. I don't typically use TTL on big lights so I saved the money and stuck with manual.
You said the difference between the ad360 and the tt685 is one stop but isn't f16 to f8.8 almost 2 stops?
Nope. 8.8 Is just above 8 2/3 Stop. On a meter, 10th stops would increase as such. 8.5 (8 and a half stops), 8.6, 8.7, 8.8, 8.9, 11, 11.1 and so on. So the difference between F16 and F11 is one stop and F11 and F8.8 is .2 stops. In total it is 1.2 stop difference.
are you using the X1 trigger system with the 360's? that's been my issue with being able to do HSS
Sometimes I use my AD360II with the X1 with HSS and have no problems. I dont use the original AD360 if that's what you are asking about.
I don't have the II's. I may dump all of what I have and go with 1 or two of these and the newer 360s
+Brent Rivers ahhh, yeah you may want to consider upgrading. It's such a seamless, hassle free system. I switched everything to Godox and have 7 of their lights now. Let me know if you have any other questions about the new ones, I know they have the new bridge controllers for pairing the X1 with the old system (XTR-16 I believe), but I have no hands on experience with those.
Hi! I'm tormented by the choice between godox ad200 and godox ad360ii. Many will be grateful if you compare them as in this video.
+Ildar Galiev ildar hang tight...dropping a comparison video between AD360II, AD200, and BRiHT 360 this week.
Thank you!! No V860 in lineup?
+Gee Eee V860 is same output as TT685, same flashhead, same bulb, same everything. Only the battery and ports are differnt
Can you do the same kind of test with the AD200?
+fatfro1 already posted that months ago, check the feed.
Does the X1 transmitter for the Xplor 600 automatically switch the strobe to HS when you go over the camera's max sync speed? If not, is there a way to switch it over without having to walk to the light and press the HS button?
as long as your camera settings have HSS enabled (auto-fp on Nikon) so the camera allows you to exceed the typical sync speed, the X1 will automatically goes into HSS.
And so will the lights. this goes for TT685, V860II, and ad360ii as well.
That's pretty awesome. So if you look at the Xplor 600 display you'll see it automatically turn on HS and turn it back off depending on shutter speed? I clicked the link to your camera bag and saw that you also use the Nikon D810. Any difference between setting auto-fp to 1/250 vs 1/320?
Hope you don't mind all the questions, just want to make sure it's right for me before purchasing :)
Thats right,
It will change back and forth and you'll see it represented on the display as you change your SS.
With this system specifically, there is no difference in what the minimum HSS starts at, because it has no problem keeping up at any shutter speed.
I'm a noob for lighting, and I'm wondering how you triggered all those lights with the light meter. Thx.
He didn't. Some Sekonic meters for an optional radio trigger module that you put in the back and you can fire the flash as you take a reading. There is no Godox module available (sadly) but you can use auto reset cordless mode - you press the button on the light meter and it waits for up to 90 seconds for a flash. You then trigger the flash with the test button on the unit or from a remote and it' displays the output.
Nice. Thanks Pete
Will the AD600 work with Yongnuo YN622 Trigger?
Rush Photography no
Technically, yes it can. But you'd be limited to simply firing it via the PC Sync port. No HSS, not TTL and no remote control of the settings. For the sake of $40-odd you should get the XT1 trigger.
If @ 24mm the 685 is doing 1 1/3 stop slower than the 360, I have to suppose shooting with a 85mm (or higher) zoom mean the direct power on a given point overcomes the 360, isn't it?
Sure, you can get a higher meter reading, but it's just because its a more narrow beam of light. You could also put a reflector on the AD360II and the speedlite wouldn't be able to come near the reading. The point of the power of a hybrid strobe like the AD360ii isn't to just be more powerful at a narrow beam, it's to be omnidirectional and create the most soft, wrapped light possible within modifiers like softboxes. When considering volume of light the AD360ii is substantially (about 4-6x) more powerful than a speedlite.
That's right! Thank you!
so AD600 is the powerfull one???? what about the new one QT600? thanks
Yup AD600 is the most powerful when standalone. I have not tried the QT600 myself but would imagine it is extremely similar in power output.
My friend!
Tell me, please, about the light scheme and light equipment in this video (I mean the one that lit you)?
+Grisha 1 window diffused right behind the camera
Robert Hall Photography
Thanks! And what light?
+Grisha the sun. I had no artificial lighting on this video
Strangely, you have such a clear shadow of the head on your shoulders. And in the eyes of the visible reflected light sources ...
What light stand is that? Thanks
+kenny jonczyk I have impact 13 foot stands and 9 foot Flashpoint autostands
O.K., at what iso?
Good comparison relative to each other but no "baseline" output at x_ft, x_iso in the softbox.
I wasn’t concerned about giving a GN for one softbox as it’s irrelevant to anyone else’s use. The point was to a relative comparison.
However, you can watch my 2019 power comparison which includes way more lights, and shares the distance and settings that I conducted that one at.
Can you list the Octa box you are using here?
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That's it, I love the whole line. Unfortunately, these softboxes have been heavily recommended since the popularity of the AD600 and Xplor 600 exploded, so they are always on backorder through Amazon lately.
Thnx, I ordered 36" - wow ships in two months
Franky when you get yours can you let me know how long the shipping actually took? I'm curious.
+Robert Hall. I will. It still in transit..
Robert my ProStudio softbox/beauty dish came in today. I ordered it on 27 July and arrived 23 Aug. Total of 27 days. Man this thing is built like a tank rock solid construction all metal parts. Thank you soo much for showing it. Pictures look awesome - no hot spots.
If you use the y split cable on the ad360 will cut the recycle time by half.
I just got mine in and it certainly does speed it up quite a bit!
about 50% improvement at full power. 1/8 and below is almost instantaneous!
Hey Rob will this godox ad600bm work with the xt2?
+ULTRA MUC yes it will. I use it with the V860ii-n or X1T-N on top of the X-T2 and since the radio is in both you have full manual control. No HSS tho and mechanical shutter only.
Thanks a lot Rob 😉
Yup you can use a Nikon X1T and have full manual control the only feature you won't be able to access is HSS.
Very interesting. This kind of tests really help one decide. Thanks! Could you do a comparison of the AD600 Vs the new ORLIT? Because I don't see the difference between these two, and I would like to see a video where you explain the similarities and differences, as you have done. Thanks in advance! CARLOS READ
How can I combine godox strobes with none godox flashes? I am considering getting one, but how can i sued them with my existing flashes? I use nikon flashes with phottix radio transmitters.
You can use a Godox X1N-R radio receiver to control a different speedlite while using the X1 to control it and the Godox Strobe. Here is a link to one on amazon!
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yes, but then that means more radios transmitters and receivers to buy, when i already have a few of those. Can the fottix receivers be connected via cable to the godox, i saw it has an entrance.
Yup, there is a traditional sync jack. But, if you are looking for affordability you are best off just selling the Nikon flashes and phottix gear and buying the Godox, and eliminating radio equipment altogether.
+Marcos Enrique Ruiz Rivero II (AVIEL) by using the Godox x1n-r receiver in place of phottix radio gear
+Robert Hall Photography you were right. i have bought godox recivers and transmitter to have everything in one unit and put my phottix for sell.
Godox v860ii same as tt685 power-wise?
should be exact same speedlite except for the battery, which will give much quicker recycle times and a lot more pops per charge
Yes they are!
What is the size and brand of the octabox??
+A ASKStudio 36" Fotodiox EZ Pro
Robert Hall Photography thanks!
I am confused a BIT with the Godox line for TTL vs Non TTL!
Lets say the AD600BM sold with no transmitter.
IF I buy a NON TTL model( no transmitter with it), Just a basic AD600BM. I know this will not know if I am shooting a Canon Nikon nor Sony.
But then if I get a XTR-16 with the X1 for either Canon/Nikon/Sony....
Shouldn't the transmitter with the XTR16 plugged into the flash give me TTL according to the model of X1 (C/N/S) transmitter?
So If I buy a X1C it should give TTL with the Canon. If I buy the Sony X1S and use it on my Sony A7RII, it should give TTL on the Sony.
Does anyone know this 100%?
+Phil Indeblanc not at all, the AD600BM will never go into a TTL mode because it doesn't have the information inside. It's like using YN-622TX with a 560 speedlite. It doesn't matter what type of radio equipment you use, if the light doesn't have TTL there's no way to fake it.
Robert Hall Photography I see. I was under the impression that the transmitter X1 communicates the cameras metering to the XTR16, and that's what the flash uses to output.
So there is no way of buying one set of the ad600 and adapt it with ttl to more than just Canon or just Sony? No difference in what triggers you use? I have the Ad360iiCanon with ttl, but just ordered 2 non ttl 600s with triggers for Sony and Canon.
Uuughhh!!
So basically would that also be that if I buy the Sony ttl model I can't get ttl with my Canon, Eve. Using a different Canon trigger?
The AD600 accepts signals from any X1, that's why there is only 1 model of it (as oppose to the AD360ii / V860II which are denoted as N, C, or S models for their respective brand. So all you need is the right X1 trigger and you'll have all the functions, without any receiver at all. Although you won't have TTL of course since the Manual 600 doesn't do it.
Robert Hall Photography thanks for the feeback Robert. I see the 600 sell as branded models also, for Canon, Sony, Nikon, so.....Just to further clarify ...So if I get a TTL version that sells as a Canon model with trigger, and I want to use it on a Nikon or Sony camera....If later I get a Sony or Nikon X1 trigger, I can get TTL on either camera using a AD600 that is ttl capable?
This should be more clear to consumers.
Hope you know and can clarify.
why don't you take them all out door vs the sun ?
So basically AD360 has almost same power as AD600+H600!???
Thinking aloud:
AD360 with accu weighs about 1.4kg
AB600 + H600 weights about 4kg
Big con for the H600 system in my opinion, or do I overlook something here?
Two notes/questions:
A) Recylce time is almost the same for both systems when you use a Y-cable for the AD360. So your statement that recycle is considerable slower with AD360 compared to AB600 is a bit misleading in my opinion.
B) There are rumours, that the H1200-head, powered by just ONE AD600 has less power loss compared to the H600 head (maybe due to a more efficient H1200 bulb?) Do you know anything about that?
+Florian Andreas not really that close, 16.9 for H600 vs 16.0 on AD360ii, that's 9/10 of a stop more light from the H600 which is about what's expected given they are a 600w/360w light.
A) If you look at the units at full power, and include the Y cable on the AD360II, then yes they both recycle full power at about 2 seconds. However, the AD600 is putting out 1.4 more stops of light at 1/1, so if you were to knock the AD600 to the same max output of the AD360II it would be recycle about 3x as fast as the AD360II, 6x as fast without the Y cable. That is a significant difference.
B) I've only known one person who's tested it and had those results, I can't verify but that seems to be the case so far!
f16.9 is nearly f22.0
克箂門特 he doesn't know what he's talking about. I mean, in which world does he get "22.4 stops" watch 5:47
+MAD Science Hacks hahahaha. You should really expand your photography knowledge before you come at people like this. Some lenses have a maximum aperture of 22, but others have a maximum aperture of 32. Then, looking beyond dSLRs you can get apertures of 64, or 128. Measuring light output is a matter of relativity and can go far beyond 22, even if your camera can't. If I cut the distance by 1/2 and measured that same light, it would measure at f/45.4
So again, make sure you are informed before you decide to try and trash someone else. And if you need more proof, just google "F/64"
Robert Hall Photography I think you should not assume what my expanse of knowledge is or isn't. I think you are comically confused. Aperture F22 and 22 stops does not refer to the same thing but is rather a standardised measurement of light output that enters the lens. 1 F stop is not generally 1 stop of light. You need to watch your video again and hear what you said... more than once. I kind of feel sorry for you. You spent all that time responding to me but all you did is ramble on about something so irrelevant. Proves how confused you are. I don't need Google to reassure myself of what I know. Saying "22.4 stops" is just insane. The standard scale of light stops would never exceed that much for the gear you are using. The standard scale from F1 to F32 is only 10 stops. And just to amuse you... DSLR's are capable of apertures beyond F32. Heard of pinhole photography? I'll give you some time to verify the above with Google..
i laugh so hard with the rip of lightmeter ahhahahaha. nice review.
Did he say 22 and a half stops!? Haha... Don't think he realised
+MAD Science Hacks don't think I realized what?
Robert Hall Photography... that you said "22 and a half stops"... There are only 8 stops from F1.4 to F22. 😉
I see your major problem here, you are writing with the wrong hand. Other than that the vid was very informative, thanks
Is the table about 4 feet long? I will like an idea of the distance between the octabox and the light meter.
Just roughly in my head, f 22.4 is just over one stop brighter than f 16. You said it was about 1.4 stops difference. Also, roughly in my head, f 16 is just under two stops (about 1 2/3 stops) brighter than f 8.8. You said it was just one stop.
In meter terms, a reading of 22.4 is "22 and 4/10th of a stop". 22.9 is 1/10th of a stop from 32, not 25.
Therefore 22.4 is 1.4 stops higher than 16, and 8.8 is 1.2 stops lower than 16.
A reading of 8.8 would be represented as F10 on a camera.
Thank you for clarifying what was confusing me.
+Harvey Louis no problem!
Do any of the Godox manuals provide guide numbers for various shutter speeds faster than the sync speed?
Guide numbers are useless for a studio strobe and do no speak to the volume of light. For instance do you use the bare strobe with no reflector for the test? If so what does that accomplish?
Why using the Head halfs the power on the AD600 ?? It should be exact the same power because it makes no difference, there is only a cable between it, nothing more... dont understand this! Can you tell me? EDIT: I tested it with my AD600MB, with head and withoud head, firing through a softbox, maximum power 1/1 in M Mode, 1/125. I didnt measured the light but i compared the photo. There is nearly no difference between both configurations. In your test with head there is a loss of a full step, but i have to my taste a loss of 1/8 steps. Nearly no difference.
I use the AD600 with the H600 head and can confirm Robert's measurement that the light loss is about 0.5 stop. This is due entirely to the power loss in the extension cable. Separating the flash lamp from the discharge electronics means that the very high discharge currents have to travel along a cable with finite resistance. Even although the cable resistance is probably only tens of milliohms the high current will lead to a significant power loss because the power loss is proportional to the square of the current.. However the flexibility of being able to mount the flash bulb in an extension boom to create a high light source easily outweighs the half stop loss for me. The power and portability of the AD600 opens up amazing possibilities for use in the field. Here are a few examples using HSS mode from the UCI Downhill World Cup in Fort William last week :
www.pinkbike.com/photo/13574661/
www.pinkbike.com/photo/13574687/
www.pinkbike.com/photo/13574679/
Thank you for your answer! But as i wrote, i got perhaps 1/8 step loss but never a half stop. i compared directly the images... perhaps there are build-differences in our cables? but yes you are right, this system is very great! Nice pictures/examples you posted!
In HSS Mode you can at least double the output by shifting the flash-time from F00: 0 to 26 in the X1T trigger, but the edges can get little bit darker then.
I doubt that the cables would be different as my H600 cables are already quite beefy and to reduce the loss virtually to zero would require a very substantial increase in copper thickness. How did you measure the difference?
Sorry Max - you already stated your post that you did not measure the difference. If you can see a visual difference in the image then it is probably at least a third of a stop so I am pretty sure that if you get out the light meter it will confirm the loss is actually half a stop.
c h600 мощность точно такая же. как ты мерил?))
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I use 2 AD360ii’s with out the modifiers they come with to shoot skateboarding outside in bright sunlight and they have absolutely no problem overpowering the sun to freeze action