Kilowatt Half Hour Ep 49: Are electric cars getting boring? | Electrifying.com
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This week, Ginny and Tom and Vicky discuss the new Skoda Elroq, Pricing on the new Hyundai Inster and our driving impressions of the Renault 5. They also help a listener find their perfect electric car and hit the postbag to discover what you thought of last week's episode.
If you have a car buying question or want to be included in our postbag, add your comment below or message us at podcast@electrifying.com.
Every week, the Electrifying.com meet online to discuss all the important matters at hand. Such as the weather, what we’re all having for our tea and who dumped who in last night’s Love Island. Between these heavyweight subjects, we also talk about electric cars. A lot. Probably an unhealthy amount to be honest.
And when we do discuss cars, we find out a lot. From industry gossip to the more mundane practicalities of electric car ownership, it’s the place where we dish the dirt on the cars we’ve been driving and deliver our own verdicts on the latest electric car news. We also like to have a good laugh at the daftest bits of anti-electric news that we’ve seen in the press.
We can’t promise that you’ll learn much. You probably won’t. But if you fancy 30 minutes of idle chat and gossip about the world of electric cars, we’re here for you. If you like it / hate it / think it’s too long or too short, let us know.
I’m now part of the electric car club now 🎉 I got the Scottish government grant to buy a second hand electric car and I found a Citroen eC4, 1500 miles, e-series and I couldn’t be more happier with the tech inside, she drives amazing!
A fantastic car
@@jeremygriffith6046 it really is! I’m obsessed 😍
Great choice, an underrated car.
@@philiptaylor7902 totally agree!… it’s super comfy too!
Glad to see the electric R5 isn't a giant, inefficient joke, but kept focus on humble and efficient, which is the better tribute.
I saw an initial review for it that stated its actually a tiny bit shorter than the current Clio, so definitely a small car.
@@karlInSanDiego have you seen how big its rims are?
@@toyotaprius79 It looks like 18-inch wheels with 195/55 R18 tires according to the French configurator. That's narrower than current Leaf, 500e, or ID3 and the same width as BMW's i3s. Tall wheels aren't necessarily bad for efficiency. BMW went out of their way to use of skinny 19" wheels on the base i3. Did you see a different size quoted for the new R5?
@@karlInSanDiego I believe they said all R4 will have 18 inch regardless of spec. Something to do with ensuring the proportions looked right.
There are around 8000 expressions of interest in buying the R5 in the UK. Seemingly, it is possible to get an "R-Pass" to get you nearer the front of the queue - at a cost of course.
We got our first ev on 24 August 2024, Citroen E-C4. 24 plate, paid £21000 on offer, 700 miles on clock. What a great car. We had Jaguar XF 2.2 diesel. Constant problems with Egr valve and Dpf filter. I’m not going back to petrol or diesel cars.
I do love your chats on this podcasty youtube episode that you bring is every week. An important point was made by one of the viewers/listeners in that if you are limited charging wise, then pay a monthly fee to join whichever charge provider and access cheaper charging. Also the chance to use any plug and charge using the granny charger is something many of us forget.
Nice to see that Stellantis are beginning to enter the real world and realised the high RRP did not help to sell EV's, even if they are discounted. This is becoming especially important with the looming VEL changes and that £40,000 luxury car tax, that is based in RRP.
On charging and running costs, i mostly charge at home on the overnight rate and with solar pv in the summer. Last year for 13500 miles i used £267 of electricity, less than 2p per mile. That was on an Octopus tariff, now swapped to Tomato Energy which on average is 30% cheaper.
I’m an avid ‘Electrifier’ so please keep up the good work (always make time for Ginny 😍). The latest Whatcar least reliable car results came out a week or two ago and amongst the worst are MG & Vauxhall EVs. Have you at Electrifying thought of doing your own survey of EV owners and publishing the results? Maybe you can add a reliability rating to your reviews and used car sales page? Peace and love! 🖖
Don't feel too bad about breaking the embargo. You weren't alone - Bryan McMorran may have had the same stressful evening 😂
I wish Skoda and the VW group in general, would offer a better warranty.
I expect 5 years as standard.
I think it's possible to extend the warranty to 5 years, but you pay to do it. You meant for free I take it?
I'm awaiting the Hyundai Inster and Skoda Epiq. If they don't appeal to me, I will probably go for a used Kia EV3 in the next year or two.
Thanks EV team, for our weekly 30 minutes of EV info-fun.
I think most EVs are generic, because the designers all use AI, fed by wind tunnel programs. Result, . . . endless lines of deadly boring 4-door sedans and SUVs.
Once the overall concept is ready, the designers themselves can only add some "gimmicky" things. A line or stripe here, and a shadow with color there, the shape of the light longer or rounder . . . that's it. And it has to be easy and cheap to manufacture.
If you only saw the silhouette, no one would know what car it was.
Today you can see from a mile away that a car from the 50s or 60s is coming . . . . . . Why? . . . .
Those were still designed by a person, with enough imagination and a sense for special shapes, that HE thought were beautiful.
Tom I think that cars are like most things in life, we each have our own likes and dislikes. What suits me won't suit the next person. I'm glad that there is now a wider choice of EV's. I'm with Ginny on this, I love the look of the mini Enyaq (Elroq), it's much better than the EV3 or volvo. I think ṣ̌koda have done a great job with removing the badge from the bonnet and steering wheel and just putting the name. That's my humble opinion. Great job with today's video, loved the chemistry with the 3 of you. 💙💙💙
The Elroq looks exactly like my Kona facelift, and I like it, it's rear wheel drive which I think all EVs should be for general common sense.
Sorry about my NDA comment but I found it funny when you was speaking about breaking NDA's on the previous week's half hour kilowatt podcast 😂
Great work though guys! Your YT channel is my favourite for EV content! Thanks!
I'm intrigued to hear what Euro NCAP score the Inster and the Renault 5 get, if they ever get tested. My money is on the 5 doing better.
To the person who’s interested in a Fisker. Keep in mind, that the Oceans are being written-off, instead of repairing minor faults, as there are no spare parts. One was written-off, due to a loose door hinge. £20,000 is a lot to throw in the bin over a door hinge. Plus they’re a run it into the ground proposition, as the re-sale value will be £0.00. Unless you break it for parts.
And to the car name of Marvin - I think that Douglas Adams was having a joke, when he named the paranoid and eternally depressed robot Marvin. As Marvin was less than gay.
A manipulated T03, could be TOM or TOW.
Watching your channel is like a fresh breeze in the world of entertainment and laughter. Keep surprising and entertaining us with your quality content!🌸💣🐨
Crossover-SUV, crossover-SUV, crossover-SUV, crossover-SUV, crossover-SUV, crossover-SUV, crossover-SUV, crossover-SUV, crossover-SUV, crossover-SUV,
Halo car, crossover-SUV,
executive saloon for company fleets, crossover-SUV, pick-up truck, crossover-SUV,
discontinued A and B segment EVs and MORE CROSSOVER SUVs.
Go figure... Added on top of the reality that people have less spending power and the ageing demographic market of new car buyers...
Hi, i check my second hand market in Sweden and have seen deals on the new Cupra Tavascan. I haven’t seen you review it or talk about it in general. What are your thoughts?
Nice to hear about the Renault 5 and you can talk about it far more interesting than the 'new' Model Y. For that guy looking for a car none of your mentioned Xpeng G6 which is better than the Model Y and if you follow politics at all may not want your money ending up in the Republican election campaign in the US going with the Y. Good podcast again guys, luckily I mow my lawn the old fashioned way but my mower is a BEV from Ryobi and no apps. :)
What do you do when a car it too good to let go?
A few years ago my wife needed a new car. As the breadwinner in the family, she normally chooses the brand/style/colour ect (always silver!!!!) We had decided to go for an EV as we could charge from home and the range wasnt that pressing on her daily commute. However, we also have two lurchers and so needed a car with a boot big enough to accommodate them. This limited our choice and to my surprise, we ended up with an Enyaq. It is brilliant, lovely to drive, spacious, quiet and quick enough for a car of its size. Now my wife loves her car BUT, it will need to be changed soon. I would like to try the Buzz but the Enyaq has been so good, we are at an impasse. Half or us wants another Enyaq, half a Buzz, please help!
Just out of curiosity, are you guys going to/have a stand at the everything electric show in Farnbourgh next weekend?
e-golf owner for 4 1/2 year and it was awesome. Only just chopped it in for a Tesla Model Y. Like going from a trainer to a welly 😂 Would be handy if your 3 videos were cropped on the main video as it looks like you’re in a letterbox. Just cut the slides off to make you all bigger pls!
I'm looking forward to the video comparing the elroq vs the ev3.
I think the Smart #1 is more exciting than the Skoda and the Kia but the range isn’t as good, but that not a problem for me
I wouldn't worry about the price of the Inster. List prices are a guide at best these days and given the whopping discounts you can get on Stellantis products I imagine lots of cheap pre reg deals after it's been on sale a while
Skoda are very late to this party. We traded our ICE Karoq in for a used Kona Electric because we wanted something electric & smaller than the Karoq with a decent range. The Kona has been great but it's not without it's faults (annoying driver aids that can't be turned off permanently, too easy to spin the front wheels & the ride is a bit choppy). The Elroq looks to be the same size as the Karoq so probably not for us. As a result we'll have to wait for a used Skoda Epiq to replace our Kona in 2 years time. An EV3 might be an option but might be a tad too big but we will definitely not be considering the button-less & driver display-less EX30.
What about a Jeep Avenger vs Inster, great podcast episode keep it up ❤❤
Please don't encourage people to buy massive cars like a ioniq5 just because they have 1 kid. I have got by my whole life with supermins running around 1 or 2 kids and stuff. It's a massive misconception that you NEED all that space. I mean it would be nice every now and again but honestly just buy a small buggy instead of a big car. You'll save a lot of money 👍😁
About the Renault 5 - in Europe the base Model is €25K well in Germany at least so how is that 'cheap' compared to the Hyundai Inster?
In September we bought a slightly used MG5 to replace our old and thirsty Volvo XC70 to reduce running costs as we hope to retire soon. We live in a townhouse in a market town in Shropshire. Can you please suggest a simple and effective charging gully that the local county council is likely to approve? I have approached them but they seem extremely slow to respond. Thanks.
If Vicky is getting palpitations after having driven the Renault 5 you cannot imagine how dolally I feel waiting for my Alpine A290. It is not going to be by today’s standards a particularly fast hot hatch but I am hoping it will bring back the joy of my past (earlier) Golf GTi’s and my three ICE Mini Cooper S’s. I still love my current BMW i3s but as I have got older - even older than Tom - I find the hard ride waring on the pot holed and patched rural roads around where I live. I also have a Megane E-Tech which I have grown to like for its refinement and all round niceness - iMHO a much underrated car and just gob smackingly beautiful. It may be more of a hatchback than a crossover but nobody is going to confuse a(ny) Renault with a Hyundai.
The frog always will be the original Leaf
Can you help? I am in love with the R5, love that it's not a massive SUV and it really does replicate the original in an EV form, the interior is nice and interesting too. My only negative is that the WLTP is 250 miles, so sadly is probably about 200 miles and I need much closer to the actual 250, as I often drive over 100 miles on motoways (so we know that can equate to anything up to 150miles in EV terms haha) at a time and hate to pay the ridiculous public charging prices, so like to know I can get where I need to and back to charge at home. Do you think the R5 will get close or hit its 250 miles range or will I sadly end up going elsewhere, or to the Megane after my Ioniq5 lease ends next year?
If you drive at 60 instead of 70, you probably could squeeze out 200 miles on a nice enough day. On a cold day though you would definitely need a top-up to get to 200 miles.
@@riaz8783 yeah I was thinking the same mate.
The first sub-compact EV which will be fully capable of longer highway travels will be the upcoming Cupra Raval and Volkswagen ID.2. They will have something like 275 miles of WLTP range with the bigger battery option. 250 miles of real world mix range is totally realistic and probably 150 miles of highway range, even with a 9-10% battery buffer. They should fit your use case. Another rumor is that the big battery option of these vehicles can charge from 10-80% SoC in 21-22min, which is 8-10 min faster than any other sub-compact EV on the market right now, which makes it even more capable for longer stretches of highway travel. But let's see about that.
I'd take an ID7 touring over a Tesla any day.
I wonder if anyone can upgrade the batteries in an e-golf to increase the range, like you can upgrade a leaf (although I doubt you could just drop id3 batteries straight in)
Hi all love the podcasts and car reviews . Would like to know do i need a smart meter to get cheap off peak charging I dont want a smart meter .Does a smart charger work the same way you need a smart meter? And think the more electric cars there are the price of electricity will keep going up so wont be any cheaper than petrol . Love the look of the Renault 5 look forward to your review thanks .
I don't think you can get off-peak rates unless you have a smart meter. Eventually, you will have to have a smart meter, as it will become a necessity for an energy supplier to provide you with a service.... Many energy companies already have numerous tariffs that require a smart meter. This is bound to increase in the years ahead.
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I am 100% with Tom, Hyundai look wrong on the rear. The Insta is just too much. It needs to start under £20k. Renault 5 was kind of tuff but compared to the Insta it's a no brainer
This small sissi car the Casper? Did I hear that well? 7:36
What a naughty pronunciation, Ginny Winny.... 😂
A whole lot of reviewers French, German, Dutch etc dropped their review on driving the Renault R5. A bit disappointing to find none of my usual sources being yourself and fully charged having a review up. Was there some mad embargo on nine EU countries or something. Can’t wait for the R5 to drop coming from a home that’s had five MINI’s the last two currently on the drive factory ordered split new but the MINI electric with the sports pack - Legends grey the only one I like with the bigger battery is £36k plus so that isn’t going to happen. If that SE with works pack was £30k it would be on the drive, unless a huge drop second hand it’s the new Renault 5 and I’ve never owned a Renault so they are winning if people like me think the same.
Thank you for your reply I dont believe you should be forced into anything .I dont mind sending regular meter readings but why should i be penalized for not having a smart meter . Its like the old new customers only rule which has been overturned now .
There is no way Dreamworks animation would let Hyundai get away with using Casper in their main markets, they had a legal battle with a mattress company over the use of the trademark
Hi All really enjoy the podcasts but wondering why you keep referring to using solar energy as free when you can receive feed in payments? I currently charge overnight for 7p and feed in at 15p.
Sound proof egg boxes are the future 😂😂😂
24k for the insta is where I expected.
22k would be much better.
Give it 6 months and ex demos will be well under 20k.
16.5 k
I have been seeing quite a lot of the Explorer on the roads here, I think the new Capri will sell not too bad, a lot of people buying new cars and EVs are not like us. They dont care about the name or the legend of Capri. The Inster I think is too cute to sell massively, a bit like the other small cute cars on the market that don't end up selling well like the Ora cat and Ignis.
Ford is heavily discounting the Explorer EV to fleets at the moment. The onboard tech is old by todays standards because it is based on the ID3 which came out nearly four years ago
@@use-oc4mj6n yeah I know and agree, but people are still buying them, I think the majority of car buyers don't worry about it being the latest tech etc they probably don't even use all the functions, just like most tech it's overly produced, they just want a nice comfortable car that gets them where they need to go and back again.
@@jamesmccormack3229Nice to drive the Explorer EV but no heat pump option which will kill the range in the winter months
@@use-oc4mj6nI thought it was based on the ID4?
One concern with the quest for Cheap EVs. For a car to be sustainable (especially an EV which has much higher production emissions) we have to keep them on the road for as long as we can. A cheap car will always go to scrap sooner than a comparable but more expensive car, except when the cars are completely written off in a crash.
Why do I say that? Because every car's scrap event is based on a repair or set of repairs that exceeds its value. If a car retains value, it is worthwhile to repair and maintain it. So seeking price parity with ICE when EVs inherently cost more to produce because battery prices haven't dropped as promised, means cutting corners, building a more disposable car, and ultimately affecting sustainability for the worse.
Simplified EV cars, IMO, are perfectly acceptable, but let's strive for robust, resilient build and not seek junk that gets scrapped sooner than more premium builds.
Reading my comment, I suspect folks might argue that overly complex more expensive cars, require expensive fixes, so on balance those too might go to scrap too soon. That's certainly true. We'll need to focus on repairability, continued parts availability, long term software support for these so-called Software Defined Vehicles, but also building these cars with durability in mind. My argument is against disposable cars, the kind that are scrapped early because their initial cost was so low they quickly lose enough value to be repaired. For example, if you build a spectacularly crap car with 40 kWh battery, it will be scrapped early and the battery used for some off grid doomer to prep for the end. Build a similar car with higher value, and a second, third or even fourth owner could be repairing it knowing it's worth repairing.
Alternatively, a greater value per kWh is left in the battery of a cheap car scrapped sooner, so it's more likely to be re-used.
@@sIightIybored Used EV packs from a scrapped car are like a box of hundreds or thousands of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. So they will either be prematurely recycled, or sidelined for a decade as lower grade grid storage (which is rare because investors in grid tech don't like to play around with used junk that could fail without warning or catch fire because it was mistreated in a former life). Although some good mechanics are learning ways to perform nuanced cell replacement or in the case of Tesla's packs, crudely carving out failed cells, auto makers haven't planned carefully for how we should maintain packs with straight forward cell replacement. Modules and packs react poorly to a single new cell amongst older, partially degraded ones. We should be doing more to design them to be easily maintained.
Surely the best place for storing cables is in the frunk/froot? The whole idea of storing them at the bottom of the boot is just stupid. In my opinion!
Non boring EVs would be the Yoyo, the Carver and pretty much every weird two seater with no fast charge capability.
Help! I have a Grade 2 listed house, so do not think I can have a charger mounted to the wall outside. I could charge with a granny-charger lead through the letterbox, but cannot find if a wallbox charger could be fitted on an inside wall by the front door (and near the consumer unit) so I have it out of sight. Do you know the answer?
Mount the charger outside on a small gate-sized wall (you'd need to build one). It could be a few feet away from the house wall, with the supply cable from the house being buried. You could build it to take a planter on the top, if you wanted it more decorative....
@@Brian-om2hh Thanks but the house goes directly onto the road (although there is a space right by the door for my car).
It was Ford who stopped Tesla calling the 3 Model E
When do you lot think the 400 mile range will come?
MG are releasing a solid state battery based car next year...
Getting !!!!
Ioniq 5 FTW
With or without dirty rear wiper?
TBH I think the biggest news this week you failed to mention was MG going to give lifetime warranty on their EV batteries, that should shut up the anti-ev naysayers up. Any chance you could mention what it costs to insure an ev compared to an ice car as I think its an important part of the "what car to buy" cheers 👍🏴
Why so many advert this week ?
KIA EV3 RELEASE UK DATE anybody ?
The solar charging cost is what you could have sold the solar for: the opportunity cost. Its unlikely to ever be zero ie nobody will buy it from you.
Once saw a Testarossa where an old man was getting out of on hands and knees. It was the saddest thing I've ever seen. If you need an "exciting" car you probably are very boring and need a car to compensate for that.
No electric cars are boring. Just hideously expensive and full of distractions. I would take an Citreon E3 or even a Dacia Spring over any of stupidly priced vehicles being offered at the moment.
The fact that most people will never fully own a car outright anymore is just sad.
Just ignore the dangerous oversaturation of Crossover-SUVs and premium un-necessities pushing the market towards implosion and creating inflation over +15 years correlating with the premium-crossover-SUV trend.
I’d disagree and say 95% of cars are boring regardless of whether they are battery or internal combustion. They are just transport cocoons
Trouble is with the ID7 is that it really is only a four seater, no-one is going to want to sit in the middle of that rear seat for long
no longer expensive, my top range
Does it really matter if someone owns a car or not ? Driving it and enjoying it at an affordable price would seem to be more important. I speak as someone that does own an EV.
Tesla being like Apple..... :)
Lowest cost Model Y was dropped in US because it didn’t qualify for $7500 rebate so it was effectively more expensive than the current one. So the cheapest Tesla Y is actually a price reduction as well as a range increased. No brainer.
Sorry to hear you have ongoing technical issues.
I couldn't watch it as the video quality was terrible. Please don't use 720p webcams - it is 2024, not 1994!
I look forward to tuning in when it is all resolved.
solid state batteries will make current cars obsolescent.
You are right Tom, the Kona it's ugly
Getting boring..? They have always been boring…
Nothing like your leg and arms throbbing with a clutch and manual change. and that smell of fumes for your kids.
Great stuff.
There are people driving the original Fisker karma, if you know what are you doing(it can't be your only car for example) the Ocean it's a great car and community support it's growing
Wow 🙂
I get Tom is going for grumpy old man character but it’s actually getting very boring. I get that some people just want a car and don’t care what it is, so might for for Vauxhall corsa or Nissan leaf. But come on anyone who has any interest in what they buying is not going to pick an outdated corsa or leaf over a Kia Inster or Renault 5.
Well, outdated Leaf, but did you hear the sideswipe against the Dacia Duster the other week? The whole "buy my second hand castoff" argument isn't limited to Electrifying journalists but I do wish they'd extrapolate that up the line: why buy an inster when you could buy a second hand cat S model s type discussion. Doesn't admit any heterogeneousity in opinions does it?
I can't imagine ever advising someone to buy a Leaf these days, not without budgeting for a CCS adapter and hevra pack repairs.
Yet there it is. The recommendation. Still not as bad as Top Gear admitting in every way the T03 is better than the Spring but giving it a lower rating overall. 😂
The whole "you aren't allowed to buy what suits you" car journalism has been going on since the 1980s and THAT is genuinely boring.
SUV's are nothing but boring, I have the MG4 and now there is a different car whether you love it or hate it there is no accusation it is boring but aren;t most cars boring anyway.
Very good deals on the MG4 currently. Under £1k deposit and £250 per month for a MG4 Trophy LR 👍
@@use-oc4mj6n yep because new one they say is out next year with semi solid battery …
Bought our first SUV a few years ago (unless you can consider a mk2 multipla an SUV) and we love it. MG ZS Mk2. So soft, fast, comfortable and easy to drive. The other is a low slung estate and you know what, my back doesn't love it.
Take a look at EV depreciation, terrifying. Team Betamax.
Leap 29? Please explain. Is this a British thing?
It is not necessarily a British thing. On a leap year there is an extra day in February giving the 29th. Hopefully, that makes sense.
@@catherinegrimes2308 Got it. Thanks for responding. This was driving me crazy.
yes they are extremely boring I want gear changing paddle shift to keep me awake and give me something to do like DRIVE IT plus the seat position especially in the Peugeot brand your sitting like a tank regiment commander as in the seat is far to thick even with the seat fully down there not proper drivers cars and your sitting looking over the streeing wheel. really who drives like that if you want a drivers car try out the PUMA FORD ST and you will see what I mean. remember get the seat DOWN steering WHEEL out and UP then your good to go with paddle shift
They all look the same.. stuck on tablet touch screen, glass roof, pop out flush door handles
Tom..... I totally agree with you. the Inster is ugly as hell. and the Kona.
Tesla has MAGA, Trump and Russian interference written all over it.
No, they are not "getting" boring they have been boring from the get go.
My god chap, youre old before your time
Getting ? With the exception of Tesla, they have been boring from the start. Bring on the Chinese and Korean BEVs. The VW Group's and STELLANTIS' offerings have been snoozefests.
Tesla are the new Mondeos and Omegas. If they ever refilm that dire Potter movie the Dursley scenes will have a white Tesla in every drive. 😂
I suspect you've never driven one. because even the ID3 is anything but boring to drive.
With the exception of Tesla?! Because Tesla's just ooze personality inside and out don't they?
@@AlanTov If you are impressed by the id3 you must have VERY low expectations.
@@riaz8783 Tesla's range and performance for the money were game changers.