Why every disc golf manufacturer makes their own “Zone” | The Disc is in the Details
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- All Discraft intended to do was make a putter that was good in the wind. Instead, they created a disc that would define a category of Approach discs and spawn countless attempts to replicate the success of The Zone!
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You could say the same thing about the destroyer from Innova, literally, every disc manufacture has a 12 5 -1 3 disc.
Ah, you might like this video we did comparing “Destroyer” type discs: How can two 12/5/-1/3 discs fly the exact opposite? because Flight Numbers Don’t Matter | Destroyers
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Destroyers, teebird and Roc all copied by everyone.
@@jeffdejaynes7231 don't forget avior and firebird
Or the Wraith
Is anyone else jealous how smooth this college guy can FH?
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My first time with a zone was really cool. I spotted at Hudson mills 08 dglo tournament and mark Ellis gave my buddy an unmarked zone and told him to try it out. He said its brand new and it's going to change the short game forever. I threw it a few times and immediately fell in love. They only had d plastic at that time and I bought 2. The shots that disc created for me were absolutely amazing. It deserves all the hype and praise imo.
I use a DD Lucid Justice instead of a Zone. It's a speed 5 but it's a great head wind putter and flicks great
0:52 - This is not an accurate claim, sorry. The Zone was not the first overstable throwing putter.
The (simply amazing) Lat64 Sinus was approved by the PDGA 2+ years prior in Feb 2006.
The Zone is inspired by the Sinus, but isn't as good in my view.
Lat64 understood what the market needed - and the other overstable putters do not have the ultra-sharp bottom rim of the Sinus, which stops it from skipping and sliding when it lands.
I call the Sinus a "Negative Driver" - for its sharp bottom edge, and also because the Sinus is NOT a flying disc.
The Sinus (and some other discs) are in fact "spin-stabilised ballistic discs" which do not generate ANY lift over their top surface. All they do is create mechanical left from thee ramp below the parting lane.
I played disc golf for 20 years before I started throwing forehands. The zone is the disc that did it. 5 years later and I have a balanced game. I bag two zones and 4 drivers specifically for throwing forehands.
Great video! The Zone is definitely a must have in any players bag.
Soft Tactic and flex Zone
I didn't understand the need for this slot until I got one. Fun to throw and definite stroke saver.
I bag 2 "zones"... one a well seasoned ESP Zone that I can manipulate in any way I really want, but it still has the reliable Zone low speed stability. The other is a Gateway Devilhawk in Suregrip that has less glide, less groundplay and is a little more overstable.
My alternative is a Jokeri from Prodiscus
This is such a cool video! I'm surprised about the Marwede statistics! I didn't realize he was such a good putter! A Michigan boy! Love it 😁🥏🥏🥏⛳
He was #2 on tour from circle 1 in 2021 as well, solid!
besides pig/rhyno also the sinus came out prior. The zone is far from being first over stable approach disc... Not sure why they said it was the first of it's kind...
I'm a huge fan of the zone hand feel, but the new runs of champion that the toro has been released in captured my heart--some of the best feeling plastic in my bag. It's got the perfect tack and give while looking beautiful.
I got my hands on a Champion Toro recently and it felt nice enough for me to question whether I wanted to try it but I'm too in love with my Jarn!
The "Zone slot" defines my approach game for sure. I've been trying to find other "Zones" just to explore what's out there. So far I'm really enjoying the Kastaplast Jarn as well.
I see you have great taste in shapes, as well as discs.
i like the innova caiman. it def has more glide than the numbers say and it is reliable
I've found the Jarn is a further, straighter zone.
@@Discsforbasketswhat plastic? I have a K1 Jarn and it's miles more overstable than my Z and Cryztal Flex Zones
@@stbw33kastaplast isnt that reliable and very often more understable than other brands
ESP Zones come stock as well, I think the only plastic reserved for special editions is the metallic Z. Same thing with the Razor Claw mold, only the Tour Series versions have the really flat top all the way to the edge, and the stock and Neo ones are made in a different mold.
No, we owe it all to the Gator. Or to go back even further, the star whippet-x.
Feldberg says the Sinus is the real inspiration for the Zone
I will say the sinus was approved 2 years before the zone, making it the earlier os approach disc of the 2
Edit: I personally use the tactic because it’s deeper and unbeaded so I can throw it both FH and BH
I bag 3 harps
Beat in Tournament harp for the straight shots
VIP glimmer for super stable
Cycle in New Tournament for main approach disc
i threw the DGA Breaker for years before discovering my love for the Innova Rhyno. i now have a (very beat) RPro Rhyno and a Champ Rhyno in my bag
my go to overstable putter is the obsidian discs splinter. flies very similarly to a zone but the handfeel is imo much nicer
What about the Pig? That seems to fill the same slot? Ricky's Slammer seems to be trying to reproduce that.
The Rhyno, Pig, and Gator were all approved before the zone.
The Ryhno and Pig are DEEEP dish bois and the Gator is a mid-range. Not the same at all.
@@DRickAnderson they pig has the same rim depth as the zone and the Rhyno is 0.1cmdeeper. Far from DEEEP dish. The Gator may be rated a 5 speed, but it’s definitely slower than that. It’s a small diameter overstable approach disc just like the Zone is. It’s just beaded, but it pretty much fills the same slot. All 4 discs fill the OS approach slot. The zone was the last one approved.
@@jeffdejaynes7231 I actually own ALL of these discs, and the specifications filed with the PDGA actually show the Rhyno and Zone as having the same rim depth but it's so obvious when holding them that it's not. The Pig is 1.4cm (the zone and rhyno show 1.3 on the PDGA site). I'll have to get a caliper to check, but just pick one up. It's SUPER easy to feel the difference.
On that note, I get your argument 100%, just to be clear. I'm just being pedantic.
I agree, besides pig/rhyno also the sinus came out prior. The zone is far from being first over stable approach disc... Not sure why they said it was the first of its kind...
I can't speak to the other brands, but one disc Innova makes filled the overstable putt and approach disc slot since 1998, and that's the Rhyno. It's been available in every major plastic type, and the Ontario molds are apparently the most overstable. The Rhyno is differentiated from the Zone in that it has a thinner rim, is less aerodynamic, and not flat-top (some runs can be domey). And though not quite as stable or fast, up until the release of the Zone, the Rhyno was the closest to that slot to that point. The Zone did push the boundary of overstable approach discs, but it wasn't alone.
Coincidentally the Pig came out the same month the Zone did, is more stable than the Rhyno, but had a thicker rim, yet because of the Thumbtrac, is less aerodynamic than the Zone. That said, the Pig has generally been flatter than the Rhyno, without being flat top. The Pig and Zone are a lot more similar in terms of overstability, and arguably could fill the same spot, but the Rat (2017) and Toro (2021) have been the closest to a "Zone clone" to fill that slot, though in my experience the Rat is a touch less stable in comparable plastic, and the Toro a touch more stable, than the Zone.
Very well done video and an interesting watch.
That being said, it's only natural that every company has their "Zones" just like they have their Destroyer, Firebird, Teebird and Buzz clones as well. I feel like if you miss any of the aforementioned counterparts in your lineup, it will become a big issue for potential customers considering changing the whole bag (or sponsorship) to the said brand.
Glad you liked the video, I totally understand the idea of these companies looking at the success of the "staples" as many players call them and saying, of course we have to make those.
On the other hand, how do we ever get anything new in disc golf if we don't have companies like Kastaplast saying, ok sure we can make copies but what if we just do our own thing (perhaps until Latitude took over, we'll see what they come out with in the future).
No one else made a Berg, the Rask, etc. And while some of those discs are a bit divisive, the people that love them love them. Then again, some others were less successful like the Grym/Grym X or Stal, which has Firebird numbers but a totally different feel and definitely doesn't fly quite the same.
Love my Stal!
Its a tragedy the pig was never mentioned 😭
My gold line Claymore has made many over 90’ throw ins. It’s sort of flat like the zone. Also mako 3.
how about the Innova Rat? I believe it is also similar to the Zone
pig was before the zone but cheers
Sinus came before the Zone tho.
I wonder if the grip pads on the top made the Sinus just a little too different for players compared to the Zone.
@@SixSidedDiscs it's more the depth of the Sinus as it's pretty deep. Also I believe the grip pads caused more production issues but I might be wrong on that. The Spike is actually really pleasant for forehand flicks because of the grip pads imo.
I’m a tactic guy. Just like how it feels.
I tried the Tactic a couple times, I really like the plastic options, but its just a tiny bit too deep for me.
Wow. Shoutout to andrew marwede.
The harp is easily my favorite, that said I started only a week ago.
Try a pure. It's a lot straighter flying than the harp. For me anyways. And durable as all get out if you get the hard version.
@@KarstRats Picked up a Glitch since I posted this so I'm good on my straight flier for now :D
@@OvertPumkin that thing will teach you some touch for sure.
I bag the Toro. But before the Toro, there was the Caiman 😮💨😮💨😮💨. I bag both. But I also bag a Bobcat, and a Pyro. Similar over stability, but different uses. I like the the Toro and Caiman for forehand approaches, and the others for backhand. And I get it, the the only one that’s probably ‘approach’ type is the Toro. But mids and approach discs are fun. Rarely, I will even putt with my Toro.
I bag a lone star disc harpoon in victor 1 plastic and it is a great alternative for anyone who has small hands and finds that even the zone is a bit deep. The victor plastics are notably overstable. Maybe close to the new zone OS although I’ve only had a few throws with the zone os to compare.
I used to love mine, but they're noticeably less overstable than zones in my opinion. At least z plastic and not jawbreaker or anything similar. I didn't bag bravo or alpha though, so I might try those since the shallowness really was amazing.
I carry a zone and a Golem.
The zone is super consistent and the Golem is for when I need it to hit and stick because it’s rubber and super flexie
My "zone" slot is Innova Pig, mostly because thumtrac and more putter like handfeel. I still count Pig 3 speed what ever Innova say it's not even that bad to putt whit
The Gator and the Cro, were beadless overstable midranges well before the Zone. FH throwers have been throwing beadless midranges forever. The Zone just made it more popular. I recently switched to a royal savior by lat 64. As ive been trying to find a disc that has that feel of a star Cro. Also love the Justice when you need something just a bit more stable.
I have never really needed a Zone. I just find myself needing an overstable putter that feels good to forehand. That would be like Innova claiming the rights that all overstable drivers are Destroyer knock offs. And I don't think that I would go that far. People just need a disc for that overstable putter slot. Right now my favorite is the A2. Thrown the tactic, zone, harp, entropy and so far I like the A2. It probably will not always be that way. I do like all the discs that I mentioned. Entropy feels weird atm to forehand. I don't know what it is. Probably just me though.
Zone helped shape my forehand game! But I’m so glad I found the RPM Kea, it doesn’t seem to beat in! So reliably overstable, beautiful stamp and feels better in the hand than the zone in my opinion. Plus you get hipster clout for not being just another person throwing a zone!
4-speed OS is equivalent to the pitching wedge in ball golf.
Love me some tactics ;)
I have a 5 speed MVP deflector that’s technically a mid but I have not found a disc more cash for overstable approach discs. The thing is beef
my deflector is probably getting replaced with a zone os. I bag both currently but every time I wanted stupid beef I've grabbed the zone os since it's hand feel is more similar to my other approach discs, which are a RC3, Origio Harp, and CryZstal Zone.
Lonestar has the walker definitely zone like just one speed higher at a 5
It’s the vip harp for me
dude. the gator was out for decade before the zone. a beadless gator is a zone. star gators 2008-2012 were majority beadless.
Gateways Demon was doing this 2 years before the Zone. Also, Star Rancjo Rocs were this slot way before the Zone, too. Don't forget about the OGs of the game
Rocks don't feel like right in my hand though. Idk what it is. Doesn't feel good. Can't release it well because of that. Always thinking about my grip on that thing.
At least two years, for sure! Though the speed of the Demon puts it in a slightly different class maybe? Slow fairway driver instead of midrange/putter? But I remember when the Demon first came out, and everyone thought Gateway was so silly for making such a ridiculously overstable disc... And now every manufacturer has what feels to me like their version of the Demon. I'm throwing mostly MVP now, but I still prefer the Demon over the Entropy for what the kids on this vid are calling "Zone shots" 🤣
I dont' bag a zone or anything like it. The closest is an aviar x3 and I've been playing for 23 years.
Does the Legacy Recluse qualify?
If it flies that way for you then sure!
Get Freaky Crystal Flex Zone is my favorite approach disc
FYI: a puddle top does not increase disc stability.
I have puddled many discs over the decades (accidentally and on purpose) and their stability does not increase - sorry.
Talk to Yeti about the Aviar Yeti Pro: it is not more stable than a standard Aviar P&A despite having a puddle top.
The Puddle top is to improve putting grip and promote a nose flat or nose-down putt, which is very difficult to to with a domed putter.
I wouldn’t even include the Ricky Slammer on here for comparison. Completely different disc
We didn’t throw one but it looked too good to not be in the thumbnail!
Love this I need more
Ask and you shall receive!
@@SixSidedDiscs can’t wait
Gateway's Devilhawk is more overstable out of the box and in the suregrip, it will never skip.
The z flx zone is the best disc I've ever owned
I'm an A2 guy now days but I did pick up a jarn recently for more teepad work
I used to have a 400 A1 and 300 A2 and I loved them but eventually they got replaced, in hindsight idk why
I am one of the lucky one who has this 2018 Ledgestone Crystal Z flag dye zone.. if I lose it.. I do not know with what I can replace it, maybe Estonian Edition Crystal Zone is the closest one...
I subscribing to the Järn. Love the Kastaplast K1 plastic and the Järn has a definitive overstability. It's my goto to scramble back and up the fairway from sticky situations. It will regain horisontal position from extremely anhyzered forehand shots. I'm still gearing up to its abilities as a approach disc (but that's 'cause I'm still somewhat new to the sport). The Järn just does something no other disc in my back does.
So 1st the stabilizer is nothing like a zone besides that it's overstable. It is shaped more like a putter it has dome and has a putter like rim. 2nd the harp doesn't have a bead, it has a midrange style rim. 3rd if any of these disc's tip their hat it's not to the zone. The zone was created to mimic the beardless roc which I think was the rancho roc being a flat beardless version of the roc meaning it's a more overstable roc and the rocs numbers were already 4 3 0 3.
Crystal flex zone is goated
Old R-Pro innova roc. That’s what the zone reminds me of. I’m talking 1990s/ early 2000s R-Pro plastic. Wish they still made those.
I bag both an ESP Zone and a Mr. Putt. They fly nearly identical, but the Mr. Putt has zero ground play. It literally just stops dead every time it hits the ground. Also because of the blocky flat rim, the Mr. Putt is a great forehand roller too.
You forgot the New soft Zone.
I love my A2, but it is slightly faster and over stable, however,, the new distortion to me matches my zone almost perfectly. I can get it to land a flat like my zones and the speed is slower than the a2. Prodigy nailed it with the distortion.
I've had a Z Zone for a while now and I love it!
Only thing I'm not such a fan of is that it has a tendency to skip a lot.
Therefore I just bought a cryztal flx zone in hope of getting a little less ground play in that one.
My alternative is the Drone.
Always in the bag.
DGA Breaker!!!
Me months to trust my buddy when he'd tell me "it's a zone shot" lol for sure this disc can do a lot of shapes.
I'm excited to get my mvp circuit challenge tempo on september 2nd to try it out.
A lot of manufactures have that one disc that’s copied by all other manufacturers:
Discraft Zone
Innova Destroyer
Kastaplast Berg
Has berg been copied? Cant think of any unless slammer can be considered as one.
@@harrisaari8067 lone star disc armadillo is pretty close. Still technically a harder thumb track but flight characteristics pretty spot on
@@Rowboats_Adventure That explains. Lonestar isnt being sold in finland at all.
The prodigy A2 you showed had so much flashing hahaha
Im glad you mentioned the slammer. I miss the original run of slammers before ricky signed to DD. I still bag a sockibomb for backhand but the deep rim throws of my forehand.
My zoneslot is huge.
Classic slammers, Sockibolb glow slammer, justice, Caiman.
Im not a brand loyalist. I just use what works.
I do not really like the new sockibomb slammer, so I switched to the culprit.
I’m a big fan of the pig
The zone for me is a throwing outter but my jawbreaker plastics film is wearing off because I grip in the same spot every time lol. I need to get a premium plastics zone type disc.
The breaker plastic is amazing. Sometimes the non premium plastics are better in my opinion, you can get a few of varying degrees of wear.
That's how my mid ranges are. All kc pro rocks, always bag a brand new on for headwind and big bombs. A slightly beat up rock for hyzer flips, a super beat in for turn over etc.
TORO FAN
I bag a harp, but want to try out the zone.
Would love to see what Ricky could do with a zone..
Based on the Socki Slammer he probably would have asked for a Zone OS lol
Ricky moonshine harp
I still haven't settled on one. I was a pig man, then a jarn man, and then a tactic guy, and currently the slot is open in my bag. Debating a get freaky or a zone os. I threw a pig in that spot for over a decade, maybe I'll pick another pig up.
This weekend I'll be throwing nothing in that slot. The most over stable mid ranges in my bag are an A4 and an EMAC truth. Maybe I'll toss my wife's entropy in the bag for the weekend. No idea.
This was a great video, you got yourself a new subscriber with it!
Thanks for your kind words and for subscribing! Good luck on finding your “zone”, luckily there’s no shortage of options.
The harp was first
What? the zone was approved by the PDGA in 2008, the harp wasn't released until 2013.
Prodigy a2 is far superior
Zone os would be more comparable to a toro
I haven’t been able to test a toro yet, is it that much more overstable?
@@SixSidedDiscs I think it'll get to the ground faster, but I found it flying extremely similar to a regular zone in the field.
No sir, the zone and toro are extremely comparable. The Zone OS makes a Toro look like paper plate, it's almost unthrowable.
@@SixSidedDiscs I have an a2/3 and the toro is much more over stable, a2/3 are supposed to be more like a zone I would say toro is more than zone maybe not as close as zone os