Router Plane Reviews - Lie Nielsen vs Bench Dog
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2024
- Router Plane Reviews - Lie Nielsen vs Bench Dog. In this video Rob Cosman does a router plane shoot-out review between a Lie Nielsen and a Bench Dog router plane. Which is the best bang for the buck?
00:00 Overview
01:08 Router Plane Overview
02:41 Unboxing
03:45 Lie Nielsen Router Plane Features
06:16 Initial Impressions
12:18 Flatness Test
14:48 An Observation
15:35 Use Test
17:55 Rob's Evaluation
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I'd rather support a local company like Lie Neilsen. That's worth the extra $50.
I agree 100% with you
Just wondering whether the local company will support its buyers by offering better prices when it’s clear that the tools CAN be made well at much lower prices. The local tools should actually be CHEAPER since they don’t have to spend on import duties and other taxes. I’m all for supporting “honest” local businesses which care for the community but often local companies and businesses use their monopoly to abuse pricing and only shape up when they have competition. It’s the same in every field whether it’s automotive, electronics, power tools, construction business etc.
@@GtubeVideos I feel that buying cheaper copies always eventually turns out badly. The imported tools always (in my experience) cut corners. I don't want a 'it's good enough tool' if I can have a first rate tool (or any 'lifetime' product) for a few bucks more. Especially if it supports more local producers, especially if they have a real commitment to making high quality products and to contributing improvements and innovations.
@@artswri well, that’s the whole point of Rob’s video. He concludes that there is almost no difference in the actual performance OR the build of the tool apart from few minor cosmetic differences. I’d appreciate if people still want to go ahead and buy a more expensive item just because they’re fans of a brand but then why even watch a comparison video like this if you can’t have an open mind about other alternatives? I personally don’t have any love towards any brand - I prefer a competitive market because that’s the only kind of market that drives innovation. These hand tools are a prime example - Stanley made the same planes for decades with minimal innovation until LN came in with some different approaches. Now LN is doing the same thing selling the same designs for decades and eventually someone new will come and replace them.
Too bad the Lie Nielsen large open throat has been out of stock for months with no ETA in sight. I've been waiting for an email from them for at least 6 months to get my hands on one.
I appreciate that as a craftsman you support those toolmakers who care for their craft as well.
I always want to support the team you brought a product to market and did innovated stuff over the guy who is just benefitted off of someone else's work.
There is no doubt in my mind that the Lie Nielsen tool is locally made is the best choice for me. This is a lifetime tool so $50.00 is not a deal breaker for quality.
Well said
My thoughts exactly. $50 for a lifetime tool to support a local business should not be a stretch for folks that do fine woodworking as a hobby, let alone as their profession.
Benchdog is currently 75 dollars cheaper and it's actually in stock. Not a counterpoint but production issues are a problem with the premium brands at the moment.
@@sfshilo Rockler putting on sale a plane that Rob was going to review... Hmmm. They've sold at least 3 today because of his review. (buyer reviews) Availability is everything.
@@mickeyd9369 lol yeup, smart on rockler
I have had a large Veritas Router Plane for a decade. It is an extraordinary tool. I think it is worth far more than I paid for it. I am sure the same is true of the Lie-Nielsen router plane, as well.
If the Bench Dog plane is close in performance to these two planes, then I would regard it as a good value, especially for the beginning wood worker.
Nice review. Thank you!
you bet...thanks for the comment
Nice review. Made is USA is worth $50 IMHO. Thanks for sharing.
I agree!
Rob. I've watched many of your reviews, and the thing I like about them is that you are honest and frank with your assessment of the item which you are reviewing. You call it as you see it, and that is a great quality. Your teaching of skills is also spot on for the person being instructed. (I am a former teacher and can see a good teacher. Honesty and clarity are keys) I appreciate all that you do for the vets as well as for the woodworking community. Thank you.
thanks for commenting. Keep watching and I will keep making the videos
To be truly honest, frank and do a complete review of this tool, the Veritas alternative must be included . In Canada the Veritas retails at $239.00. The LN at $250. PLUS a 41% exchange rate, plus shipping, plus taxes and duties. Comparison of a LN versus LV, look hard at the different features and you will realize Veritas is a winner in my book. The BD a distant third.
I think a better comparison would be contrasting the Veritas with the LN. In my opinion, LN copies Stanley but has high quality standards, Veritas Improves on old designs and also has high standards.
thanks for watching and commenting
Love your video's Rob and from a US Marine veteran I deeply thank you and all your dedicated staff for the Purple Heart Project. After watching this shoot-out I purchased the Bench Dog. Let me say I did not have the same out of the box experience you did in so far as flatness and a square edge on the cutter. Being from Maine, I should have just driven to Lie Nielsen and purchased the tool I wanted. Lesson learned...again. So, after our great grand daughter's swing set project, someone will be getting a tuned up bench Dog and I'll get that Lie Nielsen. Thanks again Rob. Back to the bench!!!
The LN will hold its value better if you had to resell it. Going off on a tangent though I have the Veritas router plane. I like the angled handles. I also like how the blade detaches for sharpening. I would agree the LN has a superior depth adjuster, but I haven’t had a problem with mine.
Yes LN hold there value extremely well. In the last 18 months used ones actually have risen above purchase price due to the shortage of LN tools
Maybe I'm just missing them, but I don't think I've seen many reviews of the Veritas stuff on this channel. Makes me wonder if there isn't some bad blood between Mr. Cosman and his Canadian brethren at Veritas.
Yeah I prefer the Veritas though the adjustment is slightly nicer on LN
@@GM-gc8gg not so much bad blood as simple loyalty to his sponsor Woodcraft.
That's understandable, though I personally won't buy any WC Chinese mfr goods.
@@thwwoodcraft1449 Hear what what you are saying, but: 1) Woodcraft doesn't make or even sell a router plane as far as I can tell, so what's the harm of reviewing the Lee Valley "domestic" product, and 2) Lee Valley's "domestic" stuff seems to be more in the league of Lie-Nielsen than Woodcraft and Mr. Cosman doesn't have any problem reviewing Lie-Nielsen even when it provides direct competition for the Woodcraft product.
I have said it once I’ll say it again, buy once cry once. Save your money and buy the best, Lie Nielsen. Great video Rob and Jake. Oh, and you too Luther!
To be fair it looked like the copy cat was worthy from a use standpoint. This it where all the “buy local made” people need to put their money where their mouth is. Seems like the only compelling reason to go with LN is to support their business that made what the copycat stole and support local people. For me that will be reason enough whenever I get a router plane, but I don’t think everyone who says buy local with follow through.
Ammed...does your phone work?
I was about to order the Bench Dog router plane but after this video I am ordering the LN. I will gladly play a bit more for the original rather than the copy, specially if locally produced. I shop regularly at the local stores and only go to the big box stores as a last resort. Thank you Rob!
Seeing you work with your tools and talking about quality tools do quality work I completely agree with. I am doing projects on the side for family and friends at the moment but am hoping to expand as time progresses. I am hoping to add some of Lee Nielsen tools to my shop down the road as I progress. As you mentioned where they were made that solidified my choice. I want to help those domestically to keep jobs local. That is worth the cost to me. Enjoy watching your videos and keep up the good work.
I agree with you 100%
I appreciate your judgement in these comparison videos.
thanks I try hard to give the straight scoop
I am totally satisfied with ALL my LN tools...I just bought the LN router plane this week and can't wait to use it. I don't mind spending the extra 50 for the tool either. Local companies get my money, and besides quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten...
Mr. Cosman your honesty and forthright opinions are refreshing. Thanks for the good review.
you bet
Good video, Rob. Ironically, I just found my grandfathers Stanley the other day. I had it out, tuned up the blades and started flattening the bottom of the plane. The sole has some pretty deep scratches in it; but none seem to have sharp edges or burrs. I also started flattening the bottom a bit and found it has nice registration on the front and back but seems hollow ground in the middle. Should I be concerned about that?
My two cents is the Lie Nielsen. A real company; they sponsor events, provide assistance to make the craft better (like assisting your efforts with the vets.) Doing that kind of stuff cost money. Just building the tool to be acceptable sometimes isn't enough.
You need to worry about it in front of the mouth. That needs to be dead flat, there can be a slight hollow behind the mouth
I agree with you. Thank you for sharing. I like your honest opinions. Helps a lot.
The bench dog is currently $125 cheaper (holiday sale), performs just as well, and has no wait time. I know I’d be more proud to own a LN but that is getting really hard to pass up. What do others think?
Thanks for the review. I’ll stay with my LN’s.
Me too
Living in Australia I too would pay the extra for the Lie Nielsen (my local brand). I wonder how it is that a copy can cost so much when the cost of labour is so different. It seems that rather than producing a product for a reasonable price they are looking at the market and seeing how much they can make on a copy. This may be fair enough if the people making the tool are also receiving a fair days pay. If we want quality tools from manufactures we trust and people who look to improve year on year then we must support them
Yeah definitely priced relative to what they copied rather than the lowest they could offer. Router planes are not something everyone will have and seen probably as more of a luxury than necessity, so they’re trying to price just low enough to get those people to reach for theirs.
Are you talking about bench dog copying Lie Nielsen's design or Lie Nielsen copying Stanley's design?
@@UserNameAnonymous The LN have improvements in quality and features. The BD is an exact copy of LN, no value added. Moreover the LN fit and finish is well above the BD. I have repeatedly found the copycats to be rough and crude, which I find an unending source of displeasure each time I use one. By contrast I enjoy the feel and beauty of quality tools each time I use one. I am most willing to pay for that. I will do without / make do, and save up for a quality product.
@@artswri - Sure. LN copied 95% of Stanley's design. Bench Dog copied 95% of Stanley's design and 5% of LN's one minor improvement (depending on who you ask) of switching from a collar to a set screw. Using a set screw isn't exactly revolutionary.
I support buying tools from LN and Veritas, but the "copycat" argument is very weak at best. LN copied 95% of the Stanley design, that doesn't make them bad. If we want to promote LN and Veritas, we need to do it the right way. If the only argument against BD was the copying, then I'd buy BD. Thankfully, there are way better reasons to support the premium brands.
well said
did you get clean corners in the groove even with the round edge on the cutter with the Bench Dog?
Yes it did an decent job
I got the bench dog router plane yesterday, and I can't see how to remove the blade. It seems trapped by the knurled adjustment knob, even when the knob is unscrewed completely off the top of the height adjustment bolt, the blade is trapped by the knob.
I'd take a Veritas over either. I'd also take a vintage Stanley over the Bench Dog. In the end were talking about a concealed surface so maybe I buy and old Stanley and clean it up, but if you want the best Veritas has that for the router plane.
Thanks for that review mr rob , I love my lie nelson router plane , makes my work much more fun .👍
LN is an awesome plane maker
Fair, accurate and balanced review, and very informative - thanks!
Thanks for watching and commenting
I used a router plane for the first time at The Unplugged Woodshop in Ontario. It has turned into a tool that I don’t know how I managed without it! I use Lie Nielsen all the time now.
I've been looking for a Router Plane. Glad to find this review and I appreciate your opinion on the Bench Dog unit.
you bet
Thanks for the review. Noted your clever flatness tester. I noticed the second screw on the bench dog. Stop collar?
yes it is
Good video. I like that there is a budget version of a quality tool available for those who need to watch their pennies, or even half pence. I purchased the Veritas router plane after about a year of bouncing back and forth with the Lie Nielson. I chose the Veritas because of the angled knobs and the two-piece cutting tool construction which makes sharpening a bit easier. It was a hard choice. I often start with a cheap tool to see how often I will use it. In this case, I went to a top end tool because I knew I would only buy once. I am very happy with the purchase, but am still second guessing.
On another topic, it will help if we knew what the current bottom line cost is to bring a vet in to the Purple Heart workshop. You talk about tools and such, but I think it would help knowing the full cost per person.
Full cost last time we ran the courseew which was two years ago because of COVID was 5000 per Vet
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I think folks would like to know. Maybe a few friends can come together to cover a position. Thanks for your efforts.
One issue not mentioned with LN right now is the loooooooooooong wait for any tools right now. Probably due to scaling back operations due to Covid. Whatever the reason, Prices on ebay are absolutely ridiculously high since LN has slowed down to a crawl at the moment.
Good luck getting a mortise chisel from LN I gave up and went with Narex doubt I will ever bother again. And after watching this I got a bench dog router plane for $103 compared to $225.
@@summerwind4590 I looked them up. LN is now $225 to $250 depending on the model. The Benchdog is 139.99. I would personally rather buy American to support a small American company even if it's a bit more. But with inflation putting a major squeeze on the wallet, the Benchdog is very tempting. I certainly wouldn't fault anyone for going that direction.
I never even knew this tool existed. Always nice to learn something new!
thanks for commenting
I want to see more of the nicely proportioned bookcase. Looks nice with those curves.
well do
Thank for another well produced and informative video, I have a Veritas and I find that it works well and is well made, and Canadian made.
thanks for commenting
Good review, thanks for taking the time to make the comparison between the two. It might have been helpful to include an old Stanley or Record plane in good condition just to see how both the Benchdog and LN compare.
For the $50 I would go with the tool made right here in the USA, plus the LN has a bit better fit and finish than the Benchdog version. In general I prefer US or Canadian made planes over others.
Also, I've noticed you stay away from making comparisons to Veritas tools. I'm sure there is a reason but I've never heard an explanation as to why. I have a few of Veritas planes and find them to be as good quality as LN versions. Features set them apart sometimes but I think they both make quality tools.
the oy significant difference is the way the old Stanley's and Records held the blades; not nearly as solid as the LN
I have the bench dog, one issue I ran into is the brass square depth stop can break really easy. I was able to repair it, and I don't use it often, but it could be beefier. Other then that the router works just fine, and I was able to find other sized blades for it pretty easily.
great info, thanks for the comment
Interesting. I've noticed the depth stop's apparent fragility and thought about what I'd do if I over tightened the brass screw and fractured the stop. While many "Quick & Dirty" fixes come to mind, I think I'd get another chunk of brass larger than the ⅝" x ⅝" x ¼" stop it comes with and do the simple metalwork to make the ⅜"square post hole. and, depending on the knurled set-screw's thread and tpi, either replace it with another or use it as is. {Remember, there's a fine difference between tightening just "Snug" enough and tightening to a "Snug & an Oops".)
Great video Rob! Thanks.
thanks for watching
Is the cutter on both router planes interchangeable with each other.
Rob, I assume you gave the Bench Dog router's cutter a honing before the test comparison. Is that the case?
For me they both appear high quality. The major factor then becomes the sharpness and edge retention of the blade.
The advantage of pulling the router over pushing it is it helps to keep the sole from rotating. I have the Veritas and a Bosch router!
Very helpful video. I’d just add that with the Bench Dog, there’s occasionally a 20% off coupon through Rockler that would make it a better value proposition. At $50 dollars, I’d probably go with the LN for the reasons Rob put forward.
good point
Great review, we are on the same page, LN has been doing a great job over the decades ensuring great tools are available and improving them. I’ll have to keep this in mind the next time I consider something from Rockler.
LN does a great job
I wish
you may compare and review Veritas tools someday. I know about your lawyers recommendation, but still have a glimpse of hope
What was his lawyer's recommendation?
long as they advise me to not comment publicly on veritas I am not going to risk it
Thanks for sharing. I've looked at the Lie-Nelson website and there are router planes with an open and closed throat. Is there a big difference between them? (The open throat are out of stock). Thanks
The open throat, in my opinion, are less likely to clog up with shavings. But if you wanted to buy one right now I don’t think you’d mind the closed throat.
My Lie Nielsen just arrived today after being out of stock for quite a while. Just handling it the quality and workmanship are evident.
Quick question, will the LN blades fit and work in the Benchdog?
I didn't test for that, so sorry I dont know
Thank you!
You're welcome!
This helped me out a lot. Thank you I will be buying the Lie Nielsen USA!
Good decision
I agree.
I love my LN router planes.
me too
Thanks for the review, at the sale price of $99, I ordered the Bench dog. I'm a woodworker, not a collector, it's just a tool to me. Your bias is a little unfair however. You praise Lee Neilson tools for quality and innovation and bash the copy a bit, yet use foreign made Wood River planes. Just a bit hypocritical. But I still like your reviews.
Let me explain since I was expecting this to come up. LN copied Stanley bedrock planes, WR copied Stanley bedrock planes. WR made improvements, as an example, look at the top of the yoke, original to WR.
Hello Rob, excellent and precise as always. I do have one question though. I see open and closed mouth versions of router planes, is there ever an advantage to that other design?
Regards
Peter
I'm interested in this as well, I really would like to have both but the cost is very prohibitive, which one would I be best off getting first??
I dont think so. The idea with the open is you can see ahead of the blade better than a closed. I generally mount a secondary base on mine eliminating that feature. I really think it was more of a marketing gizmo Stanley did. I dont think it is a serious advantage
As of April 2022 Lie Nielsen is now a 225$ plane and this is still 125$. So it's now a 100$ difference... The Veritas plane is also still under 200$ as well.
Nice review, Rob. I picked up the Lie-Nielsen based on their reputation and previous experience with their tools. (Your recommendations were icing on the cake.) I'll always prefer a product made in the US, but since discovering your tools and certain other Canadian outlets, I've modified that mentality to a preference of "made in North America." :-)
Good decision....
What are your thoughts on open vs. closed throat versions of a router plane? LN open throat is out of stock.
I dont think it makes a difference.
The difference at this time is $140 vs $250. that makes supporting the "home team" more difficult, to be sure.
🇺🇲 Made in the USA🇺🇲, Still a source of pride for me.
There you go
Thanks for the review. I appreciate your observations. I may have missed a comment on this, but i didn't hear any mention of the tool steel used on the Bench Dog version. My guess is that it is 01 steel which is fine, but i think that A2 steel that's been cryogenically treated is an upgrade and more expensive to produce. That could be a part of the price difference. The handles on the Lie Nielson look like they have a nicer finish on them. cosmetic, but just a better looking tool and better fit and finish, IMO.
Great comparison Rob. I'm with you on this one and would gladly spend the extra fifty dollars to support a domestic company employing local folks. In my case, I have an old Millers Falls router plane that I enjoy.
Out of curiosity is there any particular reason Veritas tools are not included in any of the comparisons? Not that I have or even considering them just strictly curious. I may have forgotten or missed one.
How do you feel about Woodriver then? Particularly their hand planes vs Lie Nielsen. Is the price difference big enough to go with imports over domestics?
My gripe against Bench Dog was that they were a direct copy of the LN. WoodRiver copied the Stanley Bedrock and made a few changes of their own.
I’m still a Miller’s Falls man. In so many ways I have found them to be of superior quality in workmanship and materials used. Heavy, well machined, balanced.
Nice review. Good comparison.
Glad you enjoyed it
I could be wrong, and just bad timing, but it's been a while since I saw a LN in stock. Availability being equal, I'll go LN every time. That said, also have the Veritas and love it. For the same reasons others have said.
thanks for watching and commenting
Love comparisons of the finest tools
I do as well but BD is not one. Veritas is the equal of LN and made in Canada at a considerable price difference when Canadians consider the exchange rate, shipping and taxes. I like LN’s products but not will to pay the additional money for a name.
The LN is now $225 and the Bench Dog $103 (on sale).
Watched this not long after it came out, but now looking at it and comparing the price, the LN is just shy of double the cost ($110 more) of the BD now, so to me, unless you have $$$ to burn, the BD is the choice. I'll be adding the BD to my tool list and do the little bit of touch up work on the knobs and blade. Oh and to the copying thing, it looks like LN has now added a brass depth stop similar to the BD, so fairs fair I guess.
Great video
thanks for watching and commenting
Good review of the two tools. Thank you. After seeing your review of one of the Bench Dog bench planes in which the Bench Dog faired poorly, I was surprised to see how well their router plane did in your assessment. I agree for a $50 difference, I would by the higher quality and original engineering of Lie Nielsen. However, the Lie Nielson is currently selling for $225, while the Bench Dog is $140 at Rockler. Also, with Rockler's recent 20% sale on one item of your choosing, I was able to get the Bench Dog for $112 and free shipping. So, for a $113+ difference, I had to go with the Bench Dog. On the other hand, you have sold me on WoodRiver bench planes, so I have a 5-1/2 and 7 on order from Woodcraft (if only you could ship WoodRivers to the US!). Thanks for the honest and thorough reviews and other great videos.
I'd love to try a lie -nielson plane but EVERY time I look they are out of stock and Notify me never seems to happen, like they are waiting for a certain number of requests like make to order and not cannot keep them on the shelfs. At least I can get Veritas, benchdog, and WoodRiver. Byt the time they notify mem i am sure to have found a used Stanley or gotten a different mfg :-(
I pride myself in my 6 decades of woodworking and my workmanship and especially my tools from Tom Lie Neilsen who has stood by and with me and I stand by him 100% as I do with Rob Cosman and his tools, simply none better at any price and 2 finer people you'll never meet; also have to add Tom Mclaughlin to that exclusive list.
Thanks for the great comment
Good informative video Rob.
No doubt, buy Lie Nielsen. In fact just ordered one tonight, but alas the 1/4 mortise chisels still out of stock.
Hopefully they will be back to full production soon
Ran across this video in my search for a decent beginner router plane that will only see occassional use. Thanks for your honest feedback. LN must have upped their prices fairly significantly recently. Everywhere I've looked, it's priced at $225 but, have not been able to find anywhere that has them in stock. The BD is currently $103 at the time I'm typing this. I'm all about spending a little extra to buy American made when possible but, I honestly couldn't justify the extra cost on this one. Looks like the Bench Dog is in my future. Thanks again for the vid. 👍
I'm seeing the same thing as of May '23. The LN is up to $225, and the BD price with coupon is about $125. After reading a number of reviews, it appears the BD has some QC issues in some cases (chipped irons, base not flat, etc). As I have a Rockler store nearby, I can inspect a plane for defects before I buy, so should be able to avoid obvious problems right out of the box. If the price delta was still $50, I'd go with the LN, but for $100, I'm leaning towards the BD. Veritas has a nice Canadian made closed throat model for about $190 that is a little more affordable option as well.
@@jamesberry5623 I bought the BD a few months ago. I am just a weekend warrior and this is my 1st and only router plane so I have nothing to compare it to. With that said, I have had zero issues with mine. I spent maybe 15-20 minutes flattening the bottom and sharpening the blade, then put it to work. Has been working great for me so far.
I buy locally made every chance I get and am willing to spend a little more. Not that I matter, but I agree with you conclusion completely.
thanks for watching and commenting
Nice!
Thanks
When I’ve seen all your videos, and now watching reruns
I love my old Stanley ...
This video sold a whole lot of Bench Dog router planes! And when the video dropped, Rockler had them on sale too! Was able to get one for $99, while LN has been out of stock for MONTHS now.
Got mine for less than $94.00 (+Governor Newsom's cut) in December of 2020 when they were regularly $124.99. Bottom is dead flat, blade shank housing dead-on vertical @90º, and it works like a charm. Wish I had more money to spend on the highest quality tools, but, as my mother used to say: "If wishes were fishes, we'd all go down the the sea and cast nets".(We do what we can with what we have and firnd ways to work around and/or smooth out the rough spots.)
I agree with Rob that it's ethical to spend the 50 and reward the innovator over the copycat. Once knock off companies take over a market their quality goes to nothing and you won't have an alternative.
Rob, do you prefer the open throat? And if so... why?
I'm with you Rob. In this market, you get what you pay for. Fit and finish does matter, especially as in indicator of overall quality. The clincher is domestic.
Good review. As an expatriate from Maine, I'll buy the Lie Nielson out of loyalty and domestic bias, but it's pretty clear Bench Dog has a competitive product. I'm a beginner woodworker and my experience with their hand planes is much different from this. I bought a #5 Bench Dog and had a horrible time trying to get it to cut and adjust well. Granted, I had no idea what the hell I was doing, and having a screw lock instead of the lever action of the Stanley style certainly didn't help. I bought a Lie Nielson #4, and find I like it a lot more. Granted the Bench Dog is a scrub plane now, which it's performing admirably at.
well a router plane is much simpler than a bench plane, so that's the big difference
Thank you for the review. The only question that you did not answer is the material for the blade. Is the bench craft A2 same as the LN? But really good review
Bench dog didnt list the blade material. I doubt its anything but tool steel or they would have listed it
Hi there, since the LN is out of stock I looked at getting the Bench Dog plane from Rockler, to be told that the cannot ship to Ontario Canada. I guess I go buy the Veritas plane instead
Thanks for commenting
I was hoping for an ultra-closeup of the bottom of the dado where to meets the sidewalls to see if there was a radius, but I guess the tenon is usually left a bit short. I also wondered if the vertical adjustment screw on the Lie Neilson has more threads per inch. The lie is the superior tool - much superior to my skill level 😊
You prefer the open mouth version in both?
I dont think there is a big difference between open and closed
Rob, regarding the depth adjustment, I think tightening the blade with the screwdriver is an unnecessary step.
The adjustment wheel cannot be used to push the blade to a desired depth, simply because there is too much backlash, and the iron will slip.
I just hand tighten the blade, enough so I can still push it down with my thumb until it rests on the adjustment wheel.
With this technique, I don't need to use a screwdriver, and it is a lot faster to make cuts in small increments (undo the adjustment wheel 1/4 turn, push the blade with my thumb and cut).
I am sure you know what I am talking about, I am curious to know what's your opinion.
I disagree. As I pointed out “thumb-tight” has never held well enough for me to rely on. If I were doing a lot of waste removal, and using the depth collar, I would probably rely on hand-tight so I could quickly move it up and down. But I rarely perform such a task, so I always use a screwdriver for a reliable depth that I know won’t change.
Good tip on the ¼" turn on the adjustment wheel. Can be used with or without the use of a screwdriver to lock the blade's shaft in place. I'd consider it an intermediate series of depth stops until the blade bottoms out on the actual depth stop, just like the intermediate turret mounted depth stops are used on an electric plunge router.
Can you please make videos on string-rope clamping verses wedge and string-wedge clamping and best applications for each for regular type and outside-the-norm projects...??
Sorry but I dont use those clamping methods so I am not the guy to make a video on it
I only have one LN tool, a low-angle block plane, it's beautiful just about perfect and I use it most of the time. But I do have a Veritas router plane, it's a tool once you've used you wonder why you didn't get one earlier!
Thanks for watching and commenting
There is something to be said of the refinement of Lie-nielsen. I understand the affordability aspect at the same time. I agree with your assessment; I would get the Lie-Nielsen for the same reasons.
Think will stick with my old stanley actually it’s a record 😂but still wouldn’t change it
No 71 is a classic and fun to use.
a nice classic
I like how he's using a proper Gunsmithing/hollow ground screwdriver!
thats the screwdriver we sell... they are the best
HI rob cool advice.
Thanks for watching and commenting
I'm surprised there isn't a larger price difference. For me, paying only 50 bucks extra for USA made premium tool seems like a no brainer
Actually I was a bit surprised about that too.
I prefer local quality and am willing to pay for it. If price was to drive all decisions quality inevitably drops off. I'm a firm beliver in you get what you pay for and buyer beware.
Well said
I agree with you, Lie nielsen planes is awesome. I can't afford a set of their bench planes (the old stanley/record is good enough for me), but I have the groove and tongue plane no 48 which is again a copy of the old stanley 48 with improvements. They took some of the best planes out there and made them better, so good on you LN!
Rob, your screwdriver is scary, what is that stuff you have around it? ;-)
To me, "It's Scary" for another reason; The slot in the head of the brass screw is rectangular in cross section, not tapered. Screwdrivers for slotted screws in the gun-smithing trade are designed to have full contact on the entire wall of that shape of screw slot - top to bottom, thereby greatly reducing the chance of it slipping out and/or marring the screw's slot or whatever the screwdriver hits next.
I entirely agree with the comments about supporting domestic manufacturers when buying tools. The higher cost is a lesser issue in my view. In the UK there are no domestic manufacturers making router planes so anything you buy will be an import. I think the potential difference between the makers like Lie Neilsen and Bench Dog is one of product consistency. If you buy a Lie Neilsen plane today and the same one in five years time they will be identical in quality. Not so with makers like Bench Dog. Several years ago I bought an Axminster Rider Block plane. Great little tool which is well made and a pleasure to use. More recently I bought a Rider 4 1/2 smoothing plane. It wouldn't produce a shaving the shape and fit of the chip breaker was diabolical. Several hours work improved the shape and fit and yes it would produce shavings of a sort but not good. Eventually I returned to the plane and found the sole was not flat it was significantly hollow in from the mouth to the heel in the centre of the sole. More hours correcting this fault has produced a reasonable plane but not a good one. BTW Rider planes and Bench Dog tools appear to be made by the same manufacturer.
The fit & finish very likely accounts for the $50 price difference via labour costs (and middleman markup of course), but the point made about innovation can equally be leveraged against the Lie Neilsen here. The Bench Dog has a depth stop device, apparently absent from the LN. If it works correctly, it is as much an improvement for repeated setting as the square tool bit is to cutter clamping.
It would be nice if you could actually test the Rockwell hardness of each cutter. What’s actual and what is advertised could be different!
I wonder how much that testing machine would cost?
Think of all the things you could test for hardness though!
I find it funny that after no appreciable difference is found Rob mentions made locally,,,,,where are the Wood river planes made?? There is a complete set behind you on the wall.
One would think you should have been able to pay a extra 50$for a lie nelson....
He said in the video that it was made in India where as the LN was made in the USA. He was not making a video about what he is putting in his own person woodshop. I think it was meant to answer questions to those that are looking to save some money and don’t have LN size tool budget. $50 here and another $50 somewhere else and suddenly you have saved enough to buy another tool on a tight budget. I appreciate the video because I am very much a Buy Once, Cry Once person. But at least now I am crying with a slight smile on my face knowing that I am making the right choice getting the LN.