@@2bussy but imagine if you spend some time on this. Your overall muscle memory will improve and your brain will develop many new patterns and memory space
Kadasya i would hope so but most tourneys are ran on ps4 they would have to have a converter which I hope is the case so keyboard players aren’t forced on a different controller
@Seth Wellington i mean, maybe if you were to go to an offline tournament where you have to put it on your knees. but otherwise no. its super easy to do advanced movement inputs.
A better tip in my opinion to play on pad is to use the triggers as multiples, for example: R1 = 1+2 R2 = 3+4 L1 = 1+4 L2 = 2+3 This means you can have fingers on all the buttons ready to go. 1+3 & 2+4 can just be done by you think. And doing 1+2+3+4 means you can just press R1+R2 L1+L2
Why didnt he review the wii fit? I heard its banned in tourney's cause some guy perfect'd Knee three times in a row while doing a light cardio work out.
@@zodiac909Its the default layout for old SNES emulators and have stuck with it since. I can't play keyboard only games if they don't allow rebinding right hand for movement. Funny thing is kb+M games Im totally fine with wasd movement. For Tekken by using the arrow keys you don't have to worry hitting other keys and in fighters its the more important and busy hand therefore it made sense to me Im using my dominant hand for that. I use sdxc for 1234 respectively, and fv for 1+2 and 3+4. A and Z is ki charge/heat (t7/t8) and Rage Art. Ki Charge button for easy chain grab, and I like to use it to find out if theres an extension to a string for unfamiliar characters. The idea is 1234 is the most frequently used buttons, putting "hands" on the top row and "legs" on the bottom row. The other four buttons (1+2, 3+4, ki, RA) is immediately accessible next to the 1234 buttons.
One keyboard / hitbox drawback that wasn't brought up in this video would be the possibinility of simultaneous left + right or up + down. While many games just negate it by interpreting "left + right" as neutral, some games (especially old ones) can read "left + right" simply as "right" which can really fuck up anything involving half circles if you aren't precise enough (ie. hitting "left + down + right" in the middle instead of sliding smoothly from "right + down" into "left + down"). Also, bonus points for the Red Alert 2 OST.
On pad you can always try claw grip and then pressing 2 buttons at once is much easier, i've been using claw grip since i got tekken 7 and it has been a huge improvement for me
for Controller for preventing blisters i have a very creative Idea for that! for the left pad i use a sleeve finger glove which are used for Mobile gaming to make my movement smooth for the Right pad i use a Bliaards gloves (snooker gloves) to play with for fast inputs like slipping through buttons and tbh i am new to the FGC believe me this technique is really comfortable!
I think you just convinced me to change to keyboard from pad :p my problem with the pad is the constant change in the friction of my thumb. Reliable execution with mishimas are pain in the ass (yess git gud and shizz) but with keyboard I could get rid of that easily and be much more accurate and faster with the movement and dash cancel attacks. Your videos are on point
What got me into TEKKEN, was starting TAG 2. I was using an Arcade FS due to the convenience of it. It was going to be used primarily for SCV, but I never grew comfortable w/ it for that game. Considering I use pad for SC. So I figured, for TEKKEN, the FS would suffice. And ever since then, I’ve grown very comfortable using a FS for TEKKEN. It feels so much more authentic/natural than using a pad. Perhaps I’m just used to the immense sensitivity of buttons/movement that of a FS than pad. As well as it being a game that was primarily for Arcade Cabinets.
Man I tried using a fight stick I really wanted to. I have been using pad since tekken3 it is so difficult to switch and adjust I feel like my years of experience on the d pad cant be replaced. I find it really easy to hit 3 buttons with bindings.
man i love the stick. i have reached usurper on negan and josie in only a few hundred games after getting the game! i switched to stick and now im hard stuck green rank! after a week thanks stick! *thumbs up kid smile nod head*
Use wasd for directional movement, + start - select And numpads or 5th column keys for square, circle, triangle, X I personally use TFGH directional keys, num4=1 num8=2 num5=3 num6=4 num7=L1 num9=R1 num1=L2 num3=R2 num+=start num-=select
its insane how underutilized analogue sticks are, i remember seeing a dude in tag 2 with sick movement and he told me he used both sticks. snake eyes also used the sticks to do standing/walk up 720s.
@@jaishkhan7442 keyboards are OP because you can bind player 2 hotkeys and they make some hard moves easy af. For example I only have like 5 hours in tekken but today I was able to do EWGF 10 times in a row using keyboard because I set the hotkeys up in a certain way
anosh khan shafiqmph it depends... I’ve bought two because the first one I got was a bit stiff (the grey colour), but then I bought a black one, and the D-pad is extremely responsive. It just depends on the condition, because these controllers are 20 years old
Gerald Torres there’s a converter called the brooks ps2 to PS4 converter. It’s the only one that does it I think. I actually asked the company before buying it if it would work on a PS1 controller and they said no, but I took the risk and it does work.
Used to play keyboard for some time in tekken, it's godly. If you want scrubby kbd, you can just bind LS down to space and do bb, space, bb and I believe that hitting the Space and A/D at the same time is not that difficult to get used to. Plus, you can bind every single combination of buttons possible and go for muscle memory. Only iWR may be kind of tricky, at least for me (I have been an FPS gamer for a long time on keyboard yet I feel like iWR is easier on pad).
The problem with keyboard it's really hard to do input for a single frame only. When you tap the key input can last 2 or 3 frames (i checked with frame data bot) . So it makes the half circle really easy because after tapping a, the f input is still being buffered for a single frames (d/f) same for the free d/b. But there is a huge draw back to that. If you need a juste frame f * b+2 (JU) it's really hard to have it out in 3 frames. I was wondering if the stick/hitboxs button have the same issue.
I play on stick but ive been interested in buying a hitbox just to try it out. The hitbox is basically an optimized version of the keyboard specifically for fighting games
Yee i really want one too. dont have the $ yet. But Ive heard building your own is way cheaper, just find some good buttons a good box and an old controller.
If you have money, time, and experience in DIY projects then I suggest using switches off a mechanical keyboard rather than Sanwa buttons and/or a stick. Maybe you can create a keyboard with arcade stick circuits inside it, and maybe just have like 12 buttons or so, with the rest of the buttons being dummies to make this weird keyboard arcade stick thing more natural to use but tbh I think you only need a max of like 10 or 12 buttons. That way you can get keyboard style inputs whenever you can go to tournaments and such. I wonder if this will get banned though the moment a tournament player does make my idea a reality lmao
Nice vid, I was so tired seeing people complaining that they can't kbd or iwr cuz they were on pad and I'm over here kbdashing like a madman. Also the thumb pain (tips of the thumbs not joints) is real af, but after a couple months I don't even get that pain anymore lol
the hilarious thing is, i started yesterday using controller while i played a lot using keyboard, and before i couldnt even do electrics consistently, even less pewgf. now not only i can do normal electrics, but almost all my electrics are pewgf LOL on the other hand, is hard to do some combos or wavedashing like before, like using sweep or lancer, kinda ironic since is one of the things i use the most. but maybe i need time to soft the controller
It is actually extremely difficult to do Just Frame Inputs and get precise notations on keyboard. Ironically, the keyboard is so fast that it registers two inputs extremely quickly and you end up with 1+2 instead of 1,2. Hwoarang JSFR is almost impossible to do on keyboard. Side stepping cleanly is also extremely difficult. You actually have to literally slow the fork down to play well on keyboard and require very good timing.
went from playing tekken 3 on my RG350 (pad) to tekken 7 on my fightstick and noticed backdash cancelling is much harder on stick. its a lot of weird muscle memories imo. im sure it will feel great once i master it though.
Tekken 7 with a keyboard is godlike. You can customize it like a mixbox/crossup. With the analog and the dpad on the right places, ewgf, jfsr, pewgf, backdash, wavedash will be soo easy.
I play d-pad on ps4 controller and most people call me odd when i tell them about it but it definitely works well, the problem is entire cricle special moves. It's almost impossible to pull it off so i just avoid characters that have them other than that it's pretty nice
Congratulations on your purchase! It's all about retraining your muscle memory. I had always preferred stick ever since I learned how to consistently throw a fireball in SF2 CE. However, Sega's 6-button pads (Genesis & 2nd gen Saturn) were the best solution when a stick wasn't available. I made the complete switch over to JLF sticks and convex buttons when DC came out. That pad was awful. You could tell who played fighting games because their trigger buttons were either loose or broken!
Keyboard question: Anyone has difficulties with inputs like 1+2, 3+4? On a pad you have to push them more or less at the same time, however, on a keyboard it seems like they have to be pushed nearly perfectly at the same time, otherwise I get 1,2 or sometimes 1~2 input instead of 1+2. Very frustrating. I wonder whether it just needs more practice, or simply I need a better(maybe mechanical?) keyboard
I'm a keyboard player and after so many years I feel like I should play Geese or Akuma but no.....it's damn hard but your video inspired me ...I'm gonna try again😘
Max designs I don't know about you guys but when I play at the local arcades, switching from pad/kb to arcade makes you feel like a green rank that's why i bought a fighting stick, my finger movements are nimbler and my wrist has strain resistance, thus bringing joy to my gf as well.
One thing I do with keyboard for games like mk11 is I bind blocking to shift, it's really easy to block that way, and 1 2 3 4 to the numpads, e to amplify since it's easy to reach too
can i play on pc with an old logitech usb rumble pad 2 controller? i found no controller support list for pc on internet game is now downloading on steam, hope it works 😱
So to sum up. Stick better but takes time to learn :) Awsome, im gonna try the venom one as a budget entry i think. Subbed Mainmanswe ive been watching ALOT of your vids lately lol
Im so glad Tekken 7 has Pc version. I've been practicing in a modded tekken 6 (Tekken 7 mod) but weird thing is the controls are inverted E.g movement are right and attack are on left. Cant wait to buy tekken 7
I've been playing with keyboard since june 2019 until june 2020 which makes it exactly 1 year, and now I switched to Sony PS2 pad I can tell you that after around 7-10 months of playing, your nerves will start to hurt In the beginning it is overpowered just like TheMainMan said, but later, it just gets worse It gets worse to the point where you can't double tap Back,Back or Forward,Forward so fast anymore, it almost feels like your fingers don't want to listen to you. Now some of you probably won't believe me because people play other games on keyboard But you have to take into consideration that I also play other games on keyboard, some of them are Dota2, CS:GO, RainbowSix Siege But the difference is that in Tekken, movement is so important that you're forced to constantly double tap Back, Back, Up....Back, Back, Up - backdashing with sidestep to one side Back, Back, Down....Back, Back, Down - backdashing with sidestep to other side Forward, Forward, Back....Forward, Forward, Back - dash blocking In other games, let's say i'm peeking a corner to the right in CS:GO, you'll just hold the 'D' button (instead of double tapping it constantly), and when you reach your point where you think you should stop,you'll release 'D' button and you'll just tap 'A' button for opposite side to stop more quickly (without inertion) I'm writing all of this because of carpal tunnel, it's not a good thing and tekken movement combined with keyboard is definitely a way for getting it. Arcade sticks are unbeliveably expensive (200$) so I'd recommend using a pad, something like PS2 pad works perfectly, and can be connected to a PC with an adapter that costs like 1-2$ on AliExpress or Ebay.
Even though u are actually a better player than me I actually know how to do circle moves on d pad lol. Surprise u can’t do it. It’s not really about speed it’s about making sure your thumb hits the direction correctly as u pick up speed going around.
I wonder if keeping the controller plugged in reduces input lag? I know Smash Players use the GC controller not just because it's better but also because Wired has ZERO latency.
An easy way to get over the multiple input problem on pad is to map the inputs to the trigger buttons (E.G. instead of trying to press X and O at the same time, just map it to R2 easy peasy)
Hey man,great video as usual. I hate to add to the pile of noob questions you're probably used to,but I can't resist lol. When I see a great player like you playing on stick,I can't help but wonder how your stick is modded,or if it is at all. Mainly your tension spring.I've been playing since Tekken 2,but I switched to stick for the Tekken 7 release,and I LOVE it. I tinker with mods,find things I love and hate,but I'd love to maybe even see a video explaining your preference? I'm not saying it'll work for me,but I could use that explanation as a base to mod my stick more towards my preferences,cuz you'd be sort of trouble shooting for us ahead of time,ya know? Knowing WHY you like your stick the way you do would be a big jumpstart for guys just getting into it,like me. Thank you for everything,either way,and good luck at EVO!!!
I've been playing Tekken on Keyboard from 5 years, u can do giant swing and qcf easier than any other thing in the world...even more simple on a mechanical keyboard 😊...u know u can do qcf just by pressing down followed by forward in quick succession (just two inputs) 😊...good to see that you made a video on keyboard as an op controller
@@Alice_für_Deutschland not really, if your opponent makes a mistake in a medium range and you cant reach him with a normal dash, then you can wavedash and ewgf, very effective.
Well how do u think people play games on pc? Usually when u wanna play a pc game, if u don't have the pad ur forced to play on a keyboard which sometimes can be uncomfortable enough to make u buy a pad. In this case tho, it is really comfortable. I'd say the only real issue, is playing on the opposite side. Cuz with stick or pad u use the same muscle to control both sides while with keyboard ur forced to use different fingers. For an example i'm pretty fast and used to perform electrics on my main side, but on the other side i'm autistic (no offense for real autistics)
I have 2 gamepads and I don't use any for fighting games. I always play fighting games on keyboard, because I'm used to it and it's the most comfortable way to play for me.
@@princekanbatsu2301 I can't think of a single game that can make someone uncomfortable especially if the game is released for PC. Even ports like Final fantasy and other third person games or even racing/football games are way easier with the keyboard+mouse. Pad on the other hand can make your wrists tired really fast. Not to mention the thumbs and finger joints can become sore.
kira_bane2 im #1 Bry on xbl and i can tell u that the xb1 pad is really good if you practise with it for a bit. I play claw but also with bindings. Every controller / stick is good when used in the right hands. Its all just personal preference
Im a casual Tekken player and I noticed other players online, sometimes ducking extremely quickly. I dont get it myself with a Pad that quickly but then Ive tried it with keyboard and its working very well.
One thing that could be an issue with keyboards is tournament play. Sure you can map them all you want at home, but you can't map it when you're on a ps4. I haven't managed to make it work at all, but it might just be me being dumb
keyboard is a 100% broken you can use input from 1 and 2 player so you have 2 binds for each key so movement becomes super easy if you rebind the keys for 1234 to the numpad you can use your thumb for the arrow keys so you can more easy do Korean back dash and wave dash.
I was playing Tekken 7 on my xbox360 controller and i have to say the D-pad on that thing is the most cancerous thing ive ever tried playing fighting games with, was gonna buy an affordable Arcade Stick but i think im gonna give my keyboard a try lol.What you guys think about the 360 controller?Do you feel the same way about it?
I play on pad with the controller on my left knee and I use two fingers for my button inputs the claw method I guess you said. But I can input everything super fast like that. I can also play Inputting with my thumb but the two fingers are better. That's what she said.
OMG i just ordered a stick yesterday because of the thumb pain from pad. Electrics and backdash hurt so much these days lol. My friggin thumb nail has turned into this weird ground down nub from all the backdashing
Keyboard is literally overpowered, especially for mishimas. You can bind b and f inputs to multiple keys so you can bind one set of those for normal movement like wsad, and another one next to your 1,2,3,4 keys. Thanks to that i learned to wavedash superfast and do pewgf consistently in a span of like an hour. I wonder why noone uses these.
Imagine playing tekken using voice command:
FORWARD NEUTRAL DOWNFORWARD FORWARD PLUS 2!
*FOOK*
Or you can shortcut: EWGF!
Yep after winning u get two titles
Tekkem champion
Pokemon Master
I have a stutter. It would be a nightmare. My fighter would commit suicide i think.
RUMP and LUMP ftw!
OG players use the controller open wires and give themselves real-life electrics to play Tekken 7.
that was a beautiful comment
True man. It's a lot more fun, without mentioning the realistic vibes you get when you play
Perfect electric
Using a keyboard for tekken and your mom comes in, you say you're writing an essay. LMAO
bro my mom legit thinking that im working on my last test
@@rehannoor4961 Study.
That's true 😂
way too broken
True Tekken Gods use the ps2 eye toy camera to play Tekken.
YES!!! I rember eye toy play. It was awesome at that time.
What about the dance pad controller
No tekken gods use playstation move controllers
real motherfuckers who can beat TMM with their eyes closed use the PS4 nunchucks, along with the DDR mat and the VR
That's what scrubs do. Real Gods use band hero drums
When you don't just do full circles quickly, but you do it FUCKING quickly.
The distinction is necessary. idk why I'm responding to such an old comment XD
Do it on Pad it's a lot easier at least for me
OG Veterans play on a Guitar Hero, Guitar
Lmfao
prosketch OFW
Best comment
No, they play on a racing wheel
prosketch OFW And someone used it in evo and won some matches
prosketch OFW the comma was not needed
You should do a challenge where you alternate between stick, pad, and keyboard between rounds in matches
Would be a shitshow. Muscle memory can't adapt in time.
@@2bussy but imagine if you spend some time on this. Your overall muscle memory will improve and your brain will develop many new patterns and memory space
@@tonybloodlossno
Been playing keyboard for fighters since the early 2000s but no one listened to me till recent years. Glad to see more people adopting this playstyle
Was anti ghosting a thing back then tho?
people seriously underestimate how advantageous it can be. it feels less natural than a ps controller, but is so simple and flexible.
Kadasya i would hope so but most tourneys are ran on ps4 they would have to have a converter which I hope is the case so keyboard players aren’t forced on a different controller
@Seth Wellington i mean, maybe if you were to go to an offline tournament where you have to put it on your knees. but otherwise no. its super easy to do advanced movement inputs.
@Seth Wellington i like playing king and kazuya. since they're fundamental heavy.
Real legends use a DDR mat.
No, they use a Guitar hero controller
a DDR mat x'D
DDR mats are used by true Lucky Chloe masters
I wonder which one of those formats actually won a major. GTFOH!!
Ultimate legends use TV remote
A better tip in my opinion to play on pad is to use the triggers as multiples, for example:
R1 = 1+2
R2 = 3+4
L1 = 1+4
L2 = 2+3
This means you can have fingers on all the buttons ready to go. 1+3 & 2+4 can just be done by you think. And doing 1+2+3+4 means you can just press R1+R2 L1+L2
You can even map those in keyboard, you can even map full combos on the keyboard :D Keyboard is OP
I can't believe I havent thought about this
Why didnt he review the wii fit? I heard its banned in tourney's cause some guy perfect'd Knee three times in a row while doing a light cardio work out.
“On stick I can comfortably hit 3 buttons at once to do that AMAZING taunt.” Lol
20 new keyboard warriors were born today
Trying to beef up my king
*36
:)
Keyboard comfort really depends on your bindings.
I always use arrow keys for movement and Z, X, Shift and C for 1/2/3/4.
While I respect this layout, I'll have to give it a shot...it seems very different for me at the moment though.
@@zodiac909Its the default layout for old SNES emulators and have stuck with it since. I can't play keyboard only games if they don't allow rebinding right hand for movement. Funny thing is kb+M games Im totally fine with wasd movement.
For Tekken by using the arrow keys you don't have to worry hitting other keys and in fighters its the more important and busy hand therefore it made sense to me Im using my dominant hand for that. I use sdxc for 1234 respectively, and fv for 1+2 and 3+4. A and Z is ki charge/heat (t7/t8) and Rage Art. Ki Charge button for easy chain grab, and I like to use it to find out if theres an extension to a string for unfamiliar characters. The idea is 1234 is the most frequently used buttons, putting "hands" on the top row and "legs" on the bottom row. The other four buttons (1+2, 3+4, ki, RA) is immediately accessible next to the 1234 buttons.
I did my first EWGF on a keyboard then mastered it consistently with my stick.
I started learning the real game in Tekken 7 and tried both PS4 and keyboard. Gotta say, keyboard is definitely the best imo.
I need a compilation of him just saying 'MainManSWE' at the beginning of every video and I can die happy
YES!!! A STICK VS PAD VS KEYBOARD REVIEW!!! THANKS, MAN!!!
One keyboard / hitbox drawback that wasn't brought up in this video would be the possibinility of simultaneous left + right or up + down. While many games just negate it by interpreting "left + right" as neutral, some games (especially old ones) can read "left + right" simply as "right" which can really fuck up anything involving half circles if you aren't precise enough (ie. hitting "left + down + right" in the middle instead of sliding smoothly from "right + down" into "left + down").
Also, bonus points for the Red Alert 2 OST.
For easier full circle motions try using spacebar as Up
I was a pad olayer for 2 years just switched to hitbox a month ago and things like wavedashing and kbd have improved a lot.
RN use Wii Motes
@ren real ninjas
@@Delta_Angel real niggas
@@ev5837 that's what he said
Ren was making a joke guys
In the Wii wheel
On pad you can always try claw grip and then pressing 2 buttons at once is much easier, i've been using claw grip since i got tekken 7 and it has been a huge improvement for me
why not r1 r2 l1 l2 bindings?
@@TheSwiftblad3Yes! I have no idea why people don't do that!
@@TheSwiftblad3I play using claw grip AND the bindings, its life changing.
for Controller for preventing blisters i have a very creative Idea for that!
for the left pad i use a sleeve finger glove which are used for Mobile gaming to make my movement smooth
for the Right pad i use a Bliaards gloves (snooker gloves) to play with for fast inputs like slipping through buttons
and tbh i am new to the FGC believe me this technique is really comfortable!
I cut off the thumb part of a wool glove and put that on my left thumb to prevent blisters and it allows you to do full circles smooth and fast.
I think you just convinced me to change to keyboard from pad :p my problem with the pad is the constant change in the friction of my thumb. Reliable execution with mishimas are pain in the ass (yess git gud and shizz) but with keyboard I could get rid of that easily and be much more accurate and faster with the movement and dash cancel attacks. Your videos are on point
What got me into TEKKEN, was starting TAG 2. I was using an Arcade FS due to the convenience of it. It was going to be used primarily for SCV, but I never grew comfortable w/ it for that game. Considering I use pad for SC. So I figured, for TEKKEN, the FS would suffice. And ever since then, I’ve grown very comfortable using a FS for TEKKEN. It feels so much more authentic/natural than using a pad. Perhaps I’m just used to the immense sensitivity of buttons/movement that of a FS than pad. As well as it being a game that was primarily for Arcade Cabinets.
Omg the Red Alert 2 Soundtrack got me by surprise xD Never saw anybody besides me listen to this
Yehey someone also recognized it!
There are not many of us left
Man i love the soundtrack
Man I tried using a fight stick I really wanted to. I have been using pad since tekken3 it is so difficult to switch and adjust I feel like my years of experience on the d pad cant be replaced. I find it really easy to hit 3 buttons with bindings.
man i love the stick. i have reached usurper on negan and josie in only a few hundred games after getting the game! i switched to stick and now im hard stuck green rank! after a week thanks stick! *thumbs up kid smile nod head*
i just came out of my cave lol, didn't even know k/b was a thing, i'm shocked lol
KEYBOARD -
MOVE WITH W A S D
FIGHT WITH NUMPAD!
way easier
Why not arrow keys or ASD space (hitbox style)?
Numpad is a godsent for fighting games.
@@Wesmoen WASD for movement, arrow keys for limbs.
@@Wesmoen hey can u pls tell me the keyboard controls cause I'm new to the fighting genre
@@mahadevmnair9454 i think its J and K for attacks or something
Use wasd for directional movement,
+ start
- select
And numpads or 5th column keys for square, circle, triangle, X
I personally use
TFGH directional keys,
num4=1
num8=2
num5=3
num6=4
num7=L1
num9=R1
num1=L2
num3=R2
num+=start
num-=select
You should have a quick follow up on which characters are naturally best to use with each type of pad
*_Me in the background yelling that there's also the joysticks on pad to do full circles_*
its insane how underutilized analogue sticks are, i remember seeing a dude in tag 2 with sick movement and he told me he used both sticks. snake eyes also used the sticks to do standing/walk up 720s.
I personally use the dpad because it's precise, for not precised movements I use the stick
I want someone to make it to the top 8 with a keyboard, that would be surreal 😂😂😂
They don't allow Keyboards probably
Key board on your lap is very uncomfortable
@@jaishkhan7442 Wait what? Really?
@@tanyapunyo2074 no
At least not for me
@@jaishkhan7442 keyboards are OP because you can bind player 2 hotkeys and they make some hard moves easy af. For example I only have like 5 hours in tekken but today I was able to do EWGF 10 times in a row using keyboard because I set the hotkeys up in a certain way
I use a PS1 controller. No need for analogue sticks, and it feels lighter.
I've heard the DPAD is very good on that controller, thoughts?
Ignore me if it was just a joke
anosh khan shafiqmph it depends... I’ve bought two because the first one I got was a bit stiff (the grey colour), but then I bought a black one, and the D-pad is extremely responsive. It just depends on the condition, because these controllers are 20 years old
How do you use ps3 controller on the ps4 let alone ps1 or 2. Ive always found the ps3 controller more comfortable
Gerald Torres there’s a converter called the brooks ps2 to PS4 converter. It’s the only one that does it I think. I actually asked the company before buying it if it would work on a PS1 controller and they said no, but I took the risk and it does work.
I use a PS1 controller as well. Also nice Aphex Twin pic!
Used to play keyboard for some time in tekken, it's godly. If you want scrubby kbd, you can just bind LS down to space and do bb, space, bb and I believe that hitting the Space and A/D at the same time is not that difficult to get used to. Plus, you can bind every single combination of buttons possible and go for muscle memory. Only iWR may be kind of tricky, at least for me (I have been an FPS gamer for a long time on keyboard yet I feel like iWR is easier on pad).
Tmm switching to hitbox confirmed Kappa
you mean mixbox lol
The problem with keyboard it's really hard to do input for a single frame only. When you tap the key input can last 2 or 3 frames (i checked with frame data bot) . So it makes the half circle really easy because after tapping a, the f input is still being buffered for a single frames (d/f) same for the free d/b. But there is a huge draw back to that. If you need a juste frame f * b+2 (JU) it's really hard to have it out in 3 frames.
I was wondering if the stick/hitboxs button have the same issue.
You may just have a cheap keyboard. I can EWGF on keyboard 100 times in a row on both sides and not botch it once.
Keyboard player, im very interested in what you have to say about this.
I play on stick but ive been interested in buying a hitbox just to try it out. The hitbox is basically an optimized version of the keyboard specifically for fighting games
Yee i really want one too. dont have the $ yet. But Ive heard building your own is way cheaper, just find some good buttons a good box and an old controller.
If you have money, time, and experience in DIY projects then I suggest using switches off a mechanical keyboard rather than Sanwa buttons and/or a stick. Maybe you can create a keyboard with arcade stick circuits inside it, and maybe just have like 12 buttons or so, with the rest of the buttons being dummies to make this weird keyboard arcade stick thing more natural to use but tbh I think you only need a max of like 10 or 12 buttons.
That way you can get keyboard style inputs whenever you can go to tournaments and such. I wonder if this will get banned though the moment a tournament player does make my idea a reality lmao
That would be really fun to try but idk if switches over Sanwa tho
Nice vid, I was so tired seeing people complaining that they can't kbd or iwr cuz they were on pad and I'm over here kbdashing like a madman. Also the thumb pain (tips of the thumbs not joints) is real af, but after a couple months I don't even get that pain anymore lol
Grant Barbour kbd on pad is only remotely hard if you're on 2p side but it is still perfectly doable
the hilarious thing is, i started yesterday using controller while i played a lot using keyboard, and before i couldnt even do electrics consistently, even less pewgf. now not only i can do normal electrics, but almost all my electrics are pewgf LOL
on the other hand, is hard to do some combos or wavedashing like before, like using sweep or lancer, kinda ironic since is one of the things i use the most. but maybe i need time to soft the controller
It is actually extremely difficult to do Just Frame Inputs and get precise notations on keyboard. Ironically, the keyboard is so fast that it registers two inputs extremely quickly and you end up with 1+2 instead of 1,2. Hwoarang JSFR is almost impossible to do on keyboard.
Side stepping cleanly is also extremely difficult. You actually have to literally slow the fork down to play well on keyboard and require very good timing.
went from playing tekken 3 on my RG350 (pad) to tekken 7 on my fightstick and noticed backdash cancelling is much harder on stick. its a lot of weird muscle memories imo. im sure it will feel great once i master it though.
Who knew word-processing could be so fun!
I cant afford an arcade stick so im practicing with a keyboard. I dont see much merit to it but I still want to play XD.
Tekken 7 with a keyboard is godlike. You can customize it like a mixbox/crossup. With the analog and the dpad on the right places, ewgf, jfsr, pewgf, backdash, wavedash will be soo easy.
best advice about controlls options hands down
thanks a lot man
I havent used a stick, but I swear by the keyboard. I improved so much after I transitioned from pad.
Hitboxes and Arcadesticks will stay relevant and widely used, but they are held back by being essentially only used for fighting games exclusively.
Hit boxes definitely, but arcade sticks at least have fans of actual arcade(-like/inspired) and certain 2D games backing them
They are made for that purpose lmfao
Thank u sir...
U have cleared do many questions that was in mymind
well majin plays with the claw method and rules everything
majin that got that raven hitter. the king.
Yea, that doesn't mean it works for everyone. That's kinda the point of this video. Lot of options. Find what works for you.
I have pad and stick but claw pad just feels so responsive and natural to me
Listen to his background music makes me remember red alert2
I play d-pad on ps4 controller and most people call me odd when i tell them about it but it definitely works well, the problem is entire cricle special moves. It's almost impossible to pull it off so i just avoid characters that have them other than that it's pretty nice
I play on a Dualshock with pad and stick at the same time, like I rotate between them lol
got my first arcade stick like a week ago, i can finally korean backdash and wavedash :s it feels like learning the game again ^_^'
Congratulations on your purchase! It's all about retraining your muscle memory. I had always preferred stick ever since I learned how to consistently throw a fireball in SF2 CE. However, Sega's 6-button pads (Genesis & 2nd gen Saturn) were the best solution when a stick wasn't available. I made the complete switch over to JLF sticks and convex buttons when DC came out. That pad was awful. You could tell who played fighting games because their trigger buttons were either loose or broken!
Damn sounds like you've been around for awhile ;) I happen to have the stick TMM is using which is seen on the video, I really like it.
Same I got my stick 4 days ago and my movement feels like I'm on pad.
Im still waiting for mine after being delayed i basically wasted 12 more bucks on delivery😡😡
how did u learn so quickly ? Ive had mine for a month and i cant backdash or wavedash for shit
"so we can see my stick, and my wonderful hands."
Keyboard question: Anyone has difficulties with inputs like 1+2, 3+4? On a pad you have to push them more or less at the same time, however, on a keyboard it seems like they have to be pushed nearly perfectly at the same time, otherwise I get 1,2 or sometimes 1~2 input instead of 1+2. Very frustrating. I wonder whether it just needs more practice, or simply I need a better(maybe mechanical?) keyboard
Yes but then 1+2 at another botton will not miss it😂
I also have that problem before too
@@Atommune new keyboard solved the problem ;)
You should definitely buy a mechanical keyboard if you own a membrane. Mechanical is very good
Imagine in the far future, there will be a punching bag connected to your computer that could mimic your punch to the punching bag
wavu on punching bag the future is here 😭
I don’t get blisters anymore. Now my buttons just get smooth.
Wanted to see some electrics with keyboard
I'm a keyboard player and after so many years I feel like I should play Geese or Akuma but no.....it's damn hard but your video inspired me ...I'm gonna try again😘
Lemme correct tmm 4:20 , the ergonomics of the pad is suited to fit and adjust a comfortable feel in the grip of the user
Didn't know the keyboard is so much viable. Saved extra bucks was planning to get controller 🎮.
I use keyboard and i dont feel the need to change it :)
Max designs scrub
Max designs have fun with your skill ceiling at vanguard
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Max designs
I don't know about you guys but when I play at the local arcades, switching from pad/kb to arcade makes you feel like a green rank that's why i bought a fighting stick, my finger movements are nimbler and my wrist has strain resistance, thus bringing joy to my gf as well.
Welp, i use keyboard and i'm in vanquisher.
One thing I do with keyboard for games like mk11 is I bind blocking to shift, it's really easy to block that way, and 1 2 3 4 to the numpads, e to amplify since it's easy to reach too
can i play on pc with an old logitech usb rumble pad 2 controller?
i found no controller support list for pc on internet
game is now downloading on steam, hope it works 😱
So to sum up. Stick better but takes time to learn :) Awsome, im gonna try the venom one as a budget entry i think. Subbed Mainmanswe ive been watching ALOT of your vids lately lol
keyboard is basically a cheaper and more customizable hitbox but significantly more niche (id even recommend using the hitbox layout)
Im so glad Tekken 7 has Pc version. I've been practicing in a modded tekken 6 (Tekken 7 mod) but weird thing is the controls are inverted E.g movement are right and attack are on left. Cant wait to buy tekken 7
Did you buy it?
Did you buy it?
@@jesusmejia3417 He brought it
I've been playing with keyboard since june 2019 until june 2020 which makes it exactly 1 year, and now I switched to Sony PS2 pad
I can tell you that after around 7-10 months of playing, your nerves will start to hurt
In the beginning it is overpowered just like TheMainMan said, but later, it just gets worse
It gets worse to the point where you can't double tap Back,Back or Forward,Forward so fast anymore, it almost feels like your fingers don't want to listen to you.
Now some of you probably won't believe me because people play other games on keyboard
But you have to take into consideration that I also play other games on keyboard, some of them are Dota2, CS:GO, RainbowSix Siege
But the difference is that in Tekken, movement is so important that you're forced to constantly double tap
Back, Back, Up....Back, Back, Up - backdashing with sidestep to one side
Back, Back, Down....Back, Back, Down - backdashing with sidestep to other side
Forward, Forward, Back....Forward, Forward, Back - dash blocking
In other games, let's say i'm peeking a corner to the right in CS:GO, you'll just hold the 'D' button (instead of double tapping it constantly), and when you reach your point where you think you should stop,you'll release 'D' button and you'll just tap 'A' button for opposite side to stop more quickly (without inertion)
I'm writing all of this because of carpal tunnel, it's not a good thing and tekken movement combined with keyboard is definitely a way for getting it. Arcade sticks are unbeliveably expensive (200$) so I'd recommend using a pad, something like PS2 pad works perfectly, and can be connected to a PC with an adapter that costs like 1-2$ on AliExpress or Ebay.
WHY SO LONG?!
You gotta mention SOCD cleaning man, it's the single best feature that makes hitbox/keyboard _actually_ busted.
you’ve been uploading great vids lately tmm
Even though u are actually a better player than me I actually know how to do circle moves on d pad lol. Surprise u can’t do it. It’s not really about speed it’s about making sure your thumb hits the direction correctly as u pick up speed going around.
I wonder if keeping the controller plugged in reduces input lag? I know Smash Players use the GC controller not just because it's better but also because Wired has ZERO latency.
I'd like to add that getting a good stick is way more expensive than getting a good pad or keyboard.
An easy way to get over the multiple input problem on pad is to map the inputs to the trigger buttons (E.G. instead of trying to press X and O at the same time, just map it to R2 easy peasy)
and people are still asking .. why do u like TMM ? ... thank you bro .. i will try the keyboard from now on
Hey man,great video as usual. I hate to add to the pile of noob questions you're probably used to,but I can't resist lol. When I see a great player like you playing on stick,I can't help but wonder how your stick is modded,or if it is at all. Mainly your tension spring.I've been playing since Tekken 2,but I switched to stick for the Tekken 7 release,and I LOVE it. I tinker with mods,find things I love and hate,but I'd love to maybe even see a video explaining your preference? I'm not saying it'll work for me,but I could use that explanation as a base to mod my stick more towards my preferences,cuz you'd be sort of trouble shooting for us ahead of time,ya know? Knowing WHY you like your stick the way you do would be a big jumpstart for guys just getting into it,like me. Thank you for everything,either way,and good luck at EVO!!!
I've been playing Tekken on Keyboard from 5 years, u can do giant swing and qcf easier than any other thing in the world...even more simple on a mechanical keyboard 😊...u know u can do qcf just by pressing down followed by forward in quick succession (just two inputs) 😊...good to see that you made a video on keyboard as an op controller
And What u say about kazuya (PEWGF) on mechanicl keyboard ?
@@arslanshahzad2444 require some practice, and u r good to go
I use Dualshock 4 just because I don't want to have problems with wavedashes, electrics and all that short of stuff.
Wavedashes are overrated.
@@Alice_für_Deutschland not really, if your opponent makes a mistake in a medium range and you cant reach him with a normal dash, then you can wavedash and ewgf, very effective.
KEYBOARD IS AN OPTION?
Well how do u think people play games on pc?
Usually when u wanna play a pc game, if u don't have the pad ur forced to play on a keyboard which sometimes can be uncomfortable enough to make u buy a pad.
In this case tho, it is really comfortable.
I'd say the only real issue, is playing on the opposite side.
Cuz with stick or pad u use the same muscle to control both sides while with keyboard ur forced to use different fingers.
For an example i'm pretty fast and used to perform electrics on my main side, but on the other side i'm autistic (no offense for real autistics)
I have 2 gamepads and I don't use any for fighting games. I always play fighting games on keyboard, because I'm used to it and it's the most comfortable way to play for me.
Yes there is even a arcade “stick“ which has the arrow keys from a keyboard on it
I usually play with keyboard and now since I'm used to it , I can control the character better then a guy with those fancy pads
@@princekanbatsu2301 I can't think of a single game that can make someone uncomfortable especially if the game is released for PC. Even ports like Final fantasy and other third person games or even racing/football games are way easier with the keyboard+mouse. Pad on the other hand can make your wrists tired really fast. Not to mention the thumbs and finger joints can become sore.
I have never had a stick before, and I am thinking about getting one. What's the best and cheapest stick for a new beginner?
Really nice and honest video I subscribed pls do more nice and honest videos :)
I have tried all three but since I have been playing on a keyboard since I was a kid, I have decided to stick with it.
I'm a pad player(Xbox) I don't use claw method I just have bindings for 1+2 3+4 2+3 and 1+4 it makes things a lot easier
I recommend the PS4 pad tbh Xbox bad is bad for movement
philipanakwue I tried the ps4 pad Xbox 1 pad feels better imo
kira_bane2 im #1 Bry on xbl and i can tell u that the xb1 pad is really good if you practise with it for a bit. I play claw but also with bindings. Every controller / stick is good when used in the right hands. Its all just personal preference
Damn. I could barely do Instant while running on the Xbox 1. On the PS4 I could do it all the time.
True.
Im a casual Tekken player and I noticed other players online, sometimes ducking extremely quickly. I dont get it myself with a Pad that quickly but then Ive tried it with keyboard and its working very well.
Was going to get a stick but then I checked out the Xbox Elite and you can side step and do circles much better with the disc d pad toggle
One thing that could be an issue with keyboards is tournament play. Sure you can map them all you want at home, but you can't map it when you're on a ps4. I haven't managed to make it work at all, but it might just be me being dumb
Alejandro Escoto keyboard not supported on ps4 tekken, only for chatting in lobbies but not actually playing
Joystick knobs are the way to go, guitar hero made the best directional input device for a game that doesn't need that!
Dont forget the perfect ewgf on keyboard. 😅
Bro its so easy i love it
keyboard is a 100% broken you can use input from 1 and 2 player so you have 2 binds for each key so movement becomes super easy if you rebind the keys for 1234 to the numpad you can use your thumb for the arrow keys so you can more easy do Korean back dash and wave dash.
JP (or 2nd gen western) Sega Saturn pad is still the best pad for fighting games. The d-pad is PERFECT! Love the Rival Schools bgm in the 2nd half!!
I was playing Tekken 7 on my xbox360 controller and i have to say the D-pad on that thing is the most cancerous thing ive ever tried playing fighting games with, was gonna buy an affordable Arcade Stick but i think im gonna give my keyboard a try lol.What you guys think about the 360 controller?Do you feel the same way about it?
I used to play with x360 and xOne controllers, and their D-pad sucks for fighting games. Switched to DS4 eventually and am really glad
dont use xbox controllers for fighting games. its a life lesson
If you want a pretty nice pad for PC try the Hori Fighting Commander.
This is so bloody accurate.
I'm so limited on doing combos using it. But what choice do I have?
I use the dpad on the ps4 controller to play fighting games and the idea of using a stick scares me I don’t think I’d be able to adjust
To do circle motions on keyboard, I use multiple fingers.
360s feel impissible though.
On the keyboard it's hard to do Jack's 12345 unblockable
i just switched to arcade stick because my thumbs feels like it wants to come off after playing lee for 30 minutes. it feels great
I play on pad with the controller on my left knee and I use two fingers for my button inputs the claw method I guess you said. But I can input everything super fast like that. I can also play Inputting with my thumb but the two fingers are better. That's what she said.
Fightsticks might be kinda expensive but im sure it wont cost as much as the 4 controllers i broke playing tekken over the years
OMG i just ordered a stick yesterday because of the thumb pain from pad. Electrics and backdash hurt so much these days lol. My friggin thumb nail has turned into this weird ground down nub from all the backdashing
Yea that means you need to get a life ya fucking looser!!!!!
Lol he just back dashed yah comment
John Hosp God forbid someone has a hobby that he enjoys that doesn't involve women.
@@Phillmagroin thumb game strong though
Keyboard is literally overpowered, especially for mishimas. You can bind b and f inputs to multiple keys so you can bind one set of those for normal movement like wsad, and another one next to your 1,2,3,4 keys. Thanks to that i learned to wavedash superfast and do pewgf consistently in a span of like an hour. I wonder why noone uses these.