If you’re in a situation where you must have a puller today, the rear axle can be used as a puller. The nut end of the axle is the same size and threads as is what’s inside the starter clutch. Just put some vice grips super tight on the axle shaft for leverage to make a pseudo ratchet and do all the other same steps in the video. Not quite as sophisticated as the puller tool but it works in a pinch.
Hi all - Here's the deal on my starter clutch. I remembered reading somewhere that one should clean the starter clutch cavities and and then lube the starter clutch roller and surfaces with silicon grease. I went through the videos, I may have missed it, but I didn't find it. I've had my starter clutch apart like five times and this is the first time I used the silicon and it's actually working as it should. No noisy chain rattle, no more hit and miss starter clutch. I did eventually find where I had read it...... in the work-shop manual, of coarse! Quote from the CB450 work shop manual: "The serviceability of the starting clutch is dependent upon the function of the roller, therefore, exercise the following precautions when handling the rollers. a; Use only the specified silicone grease as lubircant on the rollers. b. Clean the rollers in gasoline and dry thoroughly before applying a light coating of silicone grease to entire surface of the rollers before assembly, using a fine hair brush. c. Characteristics of the silicone grease: ( a - Little change quality from low temperature through high temperature) (b - Temperature causes very little change to the friction coefficient (on coated metal surface!.)" *The exclamation is in the manual...it wasn't me. Fancy the Japanese doing that back in the '60's! * I believe this is likely crucial to a good outcome when rebuilding the starter clutch with the Common-Motor kits. Cheers
You guys should do videos that cover your personal rides. The Long Haul Series was great. Go over your bikes in detail. Mods, history, where they been ridden etc...
So on my bike, i can get all the way to 2 minutes 30 sec into the video. I have the filter wrench on the clutch and a breaker bar on the center bolt. I have used liquid wrench and I have tapped that center bolt a couple times with the impact driver. I cannot get that center bolt to budge. Any thoughts?
Is there a video for kick start repair? I have a 1974 CB450. When you put your foot on the kick start lever, it is about parallel with the ground. It doesn't seem like it engages properly. When you kick, it doesn't seem to have very much rotation.
the springs and other components were in pieces inside the starter clutch cavities. I ended up digging them out with a wire that i bent to fish them out.
No mention of a gasket for the stator cover. Mine has one. Also, does the chain cover come off without taking off the foot pedal? Mine doesn't look like it will clear.
All your videos are awesome guys but there is one thing to think about. DO NOT USE GREASE OR OIL inside the starter clutch assembly! It's a no-no. I made this mistake and my as rebuilt to new spec starter clutch would not engage correctly every time as it should. I then went back to the factory manual and read the following. The FACTORY service manual explicitly states: " 4. Servicing - The serviceability of the starting clutch is dependent upon the function of the roller, therefore, exercise the following precautions when handling the rollers. a; Use only the specified silicone grease as lubricant on the rollers. b. Clean the rollers in gasoline and dry thoroughly before applying a light coating of silicone grease to entire surface of the rollers before assembly, using a fine hair brush. c. Characteristics of the silicone grease (a- Little change quality from low temperature through high temperature) (b- Temperature causes very little change to the friction coefficient on coated metal surface ! ) Grease and oils are just too slippery for these clutches to operate at their optimum. Now my starter never makes a bad sound and engages quietly and perfectly every time. All the best, Dave
If switching to kick start only, do you have to do anything with the run switch on the handlebar controls? Or does just the ignition turning on take care of that?
Do you have to remove the larger of the two sprockets? (The one connected to the rotor) I pulled the chain and smaller sprocket and put in ya’ll’s plug where the starter was. Is that enough/ok?
Do I have to adjust that chain for the starter clutch and everything ? I put a new starter on my bike and now the bike won’t turn over , do I have to re time it or ??
I'm no expert, but considering that they say to entirely *REMOVE* the starter clutch when going kick-start only, I seriously down one affects the other.
If you’re in a situation where you must have a puller today, the rear axle can be used as a puller. The nut end of the axle is the same size and threads as is what’s inside the starter clutch. Just put some vice grips super tight on the axle shaft for leverage to make a pseudo ratchet and do all the other same steps in the video. Not quite as sophisticated as the puller tool but it works in a pinch.
Thanks to all at Common Motor for yet another clear and concise video , greatly appreciated
Glad to help!
Hi all - Here's the deal on my starter clutch. I remembered reading somewhere that one should clean the starter clutch cavities and and then lube the starter clutch roller and surfaces with silicon grease. I went through the videos, I may have missed it, but I didn't find it.
I've had my starter clutch apart like five times and this is the first time I used the silicon and it's actually working as it should.
No noisy chain rattle, no more hit and miss starter clutch. I did eventually find where I had read it......
in the work-shop manual, of coarse!
Quote from the CB450 work shop manual:
"The serviceability of the starting clutch is dependent
upon the function of the roller, therefore,
exercise the following precautions when handling
the rollers.
a; Use only the specified silicone grease as
lubircant on the rollers.
b. Clean the rollers in gasoline and dry thoroughly
before applying a light coating of silicone
grease to entire surface of the rollers before
assembly, using a fine hair brush.
c. Characteristics of the silicone grease:
( a - Little change quality from low temperature
through high temperature)
(b - Temperature causes very little change to
the friction coefficient (on coated metal surface!.)"
*The exclamation is in the manual...it wasn't me. Fancy the Japanese doing that back in the '60's! *
I believe this is likely crucial to a good outcome when rebuilding the starter clutch with the Common-Motor kits. Cheers
You guys should do videos that cover your personal rides. The Long Haul Series was great. Go over your bikes in detail. Mods, history, where they been ridden etc...
Great suggestion!
Thanks, my starter works but has that screeching noise you mentioned. Now I know it's the starter clutch.
Brilliant video. Thank you so much.
What do you do with the positive cable that was attached to the starter?
So on my bike, i can get all the way to 2 minutes 30 sec into the video. I have the filter wrench on the clutch and a breaker bar on the center bolt. I have used liquid wrench and I have tapped that center bolt a couple times with the impact driver. I cannot get that center bolt to budge. Any thoughts?
Is there a video for kick start repair? I have a 1974 CB450. When you put your foot on the kick start lever, it is about parallel with the ground. It doesn't seem like it engages properly. When you kick, it doesn't seem to have very much rotation.
the springs and other components were in pieces inside the starter clutch cavities. I ended up digging them out with a wire that i bent to fish them out.
Do one for spoking and truing wheels. I am about to do it on my 450 and I have no clue where to start.
We'll add it to the list!
Thank you for this video!
Thanks again fellas... you deserve the most :)
Thank you!
No mention of a gasket for the stator cover. Mine has one. Also, does the chain cover come off without taking off the foot pedal? Mine doesn't look like it will clear.
Yes there is a gasket for the stator. Chain covers usually have to take off the foot pedal, depends on the model.
Thanks for the video, very helpful! The starter clutch repair kit is out of stock? Are you expacting new stock soon?
Usually we will have themback in stock within 1-2 weeks!
@@Common-motor great, thanks!
Where I can buy that sprocket?
Great video! Do you have to set ignition timing on the bike once everything is put back in or have you not messed with the timing in the process?
This wouldn't change your timing!
What do you suggest I do if the threads in the crankshaft are stripped for the bolt that holds down the flywheel?
If we decide to go Kickstart only would you be able to take out the electric start solenoid and the electric start button on the handlebars?
Definitely! No need for them anymore.
You're pretty lucky if just replacing rollers, springs, and caps, will fix a slipping starter clutch.
All your videos are awesome guys but there is one thing to think about. DO NOT USE GREASE OR OIL inside the starter clutch assembly! It's a no-no.
I made this mistake and my as rebuilt to new spec starter clutch would not engage correctly every time as it should. I then went back to the factory manual and read the following.
The FACTORY service manual explicitly states: "
4. Servicing
-
The serviceability of the starting clutch is dependent
upon the function of the roller, therefore,
exercise the following precautions when handling
the rollers.
a; Use only the specified silicone grease as
lubricant on the rollers.
b. Clean the rollers in gasoline and dry thoroughly
before applying a light coating of silicone
grease to entire surface of the rollers before
assembly, using a fine hair brush.
c. Characteristics of the silicone grease
(a- Little change quality from low temperature
through high temperature)
(b- Temperature causes very little change to
the friction coefficient on coated metal
surface ! )
Grease and oils are just too slippery for these clutches to operate at their optimum.
Now my starter never makes a bad sound and engages quietly and perfectly every time.
All the best, Dave
Have tools but pulling that rotor has been hard.
Has not moved on bit.
Did you get it off I'm having the same issue
Any chance that kit would work with a CB200T?
If switching to kick start only, do you have to do anything with the run switch on the handlebar controls? Or does just the ignition turning on take care of that?
Exactly as you said. There is no wiring mod needed.
Do you have to remove the larger of the two sprockets? (The one connected to the rotor) I pulled the chain and smaller sprocket and put in ya’ll’s plug where the starter was. Is that enough/ok?
Did you ever get answer to this? Did you just leave the other sprocket on?
Do I have to adjust that chain for the starter clutch and everything ? I put a new starter on my bike and now the bike won’t turn over , do I have to re time it or ??
I have the same question, might as well re time it, they have a great video on that too!
Does a bad starter clutch affect the kick starter at all? Like can you have a faulty starter clutch and just use the kick starter?
Not sure on these but if its anything like a Yamaha warrior then no, you cant kick it over but probably can still roll start it...
I'm no expert, but considering that they say to entirely *REMOVE* the starter clutch when going kick-start only, I seriously down one affects the other.
I've pretty much rounded the rotor bolt trying to get off to fix my starter clutch. Any advice on how to remove it?
You'll probably have to pick up a bolt extractor socket set!
Do y’all carry this kit for the cb175 k4 or at least the plug?
Hey Richard, reach out to our support to our website. Often times if this kit doesn't already fit we can get one for you that does.