Good tutorial Cody but one thing everyone and this is very important: Read the workshop manual. If you don't have one, this is what it says: If and when you rebuild your starter clutch don't forget to clean the rollers and slots they run in, removing all traces of oil. That's right, no engine oil. As the manual states, it is very very important that we only use automotive silicon grease on these rollers. Silicon grease has lubrication qualities that allow the rollers to grab the race more efficiently. Oils and other greases are too slippery for this type of clutch unit to work at its best. When you use silicon grease, the unit will operate even better. Enjoy the ride!
Out of curiosity,on these 350s i guess this piece doesn't sit inside the crankcase itself? i have a 550 and on mine they sit inside the crankcase drenched in oil,i guess they are made different that this one?
I worked for Honda years ago and a few years back restored a '72 CB 350 TWIN to play with once in a while. Enjoyed watching your video, very casual but very informative to people that need info on getting around what could be a real headache. You need to put out a few more.
I have this same issue on a project cb360. I took it to a shop just to make sure the engine was good before I continued with the project. The guy suggested that I may need to remove the starter and go kick start only, otherwise I could damage the engine. He said that if I wanted to keep it electric start that it would involve splitting engine cases in order to repair the problem?? I did not understand fully what the issue was, but your video explained it very clearly and I think I now know what he was referring to. Thanks a lot for doing this video in such detail!
Thanks for the quick response and that did the trick! 👍 the springs were significantly compressed. Got the rebuild kit and finishing up today. Great video BTW!
Great video, loads of useful information! Just a quick tip to save some money, the rear wheel axle will fit the thread of the rotor and can be used as a rotor puller!
This was pretty great timing for me. My 83 CB1000 was making that awful starter noise and I'd just pulled it apart but wasn't sure what I was looking at. This helped A LOT!
You should make your website a hub for video how to when working on Hondas. You cant fix everything ever on every motorcycle that Honda built, but you are a Honda tech, so people could submit how to videos to your site, you go over it, if they aren't doing the repair right then don't post it, but if it is clear that they are following a service manual or are also a mechanic, then you could post the video. Your site could become a wikipedia for all Honda motorcycle repair and a person could pay the monthly fee in order to have solid how to videos, kind of like the donation stuff with Wikipedia. Also, I enjoy watching you fix things. Top notch videos.
My 82cb750k sounded very similar last year. The rollers and the clutch gear needed replacement. The gear was so scored and messed up. Found an original, in the package, replacement on eBay in Italy! It starts so smooth now.
Thanks for the video. You popped in the info about making a kick start system only very quickly but you ought to consider doing a short video specifically on that (including installing the plug). Would also love to see a video about rebuilding a starter motor. Really appreciate these videos. This one was a little dark so you might check your exposure/light correction settings.
A free( everyone should have this) rotor removal tool is to use the rear axle from the bike . The threads are the same. I had my rear wheel removed so it was available to me and it worked great.
Very similar problem I am having with my recently acquired ‘82 GL1100. I’m needing to push it down a slope every time I want to go for a ride! Not looking forward to taking the engine out but It’ll be a winter month project for my kids and I.
Thanks, Cody! You do great videos. Ever see the clutch housing cracked in two places like on my '69 350? All the components seem OK otherwise, three screws very tight.
I had a similar problem on my dohc cb750. the bolts you mentioned backed out but one of the rollers actually fell out of its place as well. really weird, now idea how it happened. I did some research and its something that often happens on these Hondas. I also found out that you can replace the starter clutch with one from an r6 that is more robust, and its nearly a bolt on solution
The music is fine, it makes all the difference to a vid. I hate it when you watch something & ur trying to listen & learn & they got this thrash metal crap going on. You cant hear bugger all. I just skip the vid. U did good cody.
Great Video, very helpful. My ‘68 CB450 has a very loud squeal when using the starter. No pocket change noise. It works, but sounds rough. Have you heard a starter clutch sound like that? Thanks.
Hi Cody; excellent video i have a question on the starter clutch box where all the oil is in before it leaks all out. after you do the rebuild do you put more oil in and how much and what kiind. i plan on rebuilding my starter clutch also. so for i have the cover off and lots of oil leaked out any info would be appreciated thanks
Hello, i need to do this in cb450s '88, this clutch is absolutely inside the egine... i'm thinking how to avoid this... Now i'm sure: kickstarter is really cool 😉👍🏻 Greetings from Poland🇵🇱 Thanks for your job
Douglas Phillips if anything it should help preserve magnetism... as it would act like a keeper? Certainly as you say won’t hurt as it’s always sat on a steel cog anyway.
Thank you MotorcycleMD for this video. In the background you have a Honda Dream 305 cc. I have one too. Have you made any videos on this bike. Please advise me if you have. I would love to watch them. Thank you - Honda Dream nutcase.
@@TheMotorcycleMD Thank you for the reply! would it whine under load and not in neutral? I have the cb600f. Hope your keeping well, your videos are invaluable!!
Hello, I have a 1964 honda cb77 and have just rebuilt and am in the process of reinstalling my starter clutch. Everything seemed to go smoothly however when I tried to put the sprocket that goes onto the starter motor it would not slide on far enough to allow me to put the clip on to hold it in place. Any suggestions? Thanks.
My CL175 had this problem. When you pressed the starter button, it spun the sprocket but wouldn't catch. I replaced the same Honda parts as you showed, but it still won't engage? Any thoughts. I did thoroughly clean everything.
I own an 81 cm400c and my starter clutch is doing just about the same thing. But I don’t think mine is as easy to get to. Any pointers you can give me?
How do three rollers pushed inward by tiny springs on to a smooth gear surface, create enough friction to turn over the entire crankshaft I don’t get it at all????
Sorry guys.. DO NOT USE GREASE OR OIL inside the starter clutch assembly! It's a no-no. I made this mistake and my as new spec starter clutch would not engage as well as it should have. I then went back to the factory manual and read the following. The FACTORY service manual explicitly states: " 4. Servicing - The serviceability of the starting clutch is dependent upon the function of the roller, therefore, exercise the following precautions when handling the rollers. a; Use only the specified silicone grease as lubricant on the rollers. b. Clean the rollers in gasoline and dry thoroughly before applying a light coating of silicone grease to entire surface of the rollers before assembly, using a fine hair brush. c. Characteristics of the silicone grease (a- Little change quality from low temperature through high temperature) (b- Temperature causes very little change to the friction coefficient on coated metal surface ! )
Hey Cody the #Hondagod I just had the starter of my 1980 cb750c make that same horrible starter noise so pulled it apart and my black bolt that holds my timing plate was loose I retightened it and now it doesn’t make that noise anymore should I loctite that bolt in so it doesn’t come apart again
hey cody what do you use to spread your amsoil grease? is it a paintbrush? iv tried using all kinds of stuff but cant get anything good. ie. sticks, toothpicks, cotton swabs, fat long screws....
Great video. I wasn't even thinking about starter clutches, but now I'm wondering if mine may eventually need some work. (1975 CB750.) I've had the bike for two years and 99 percent of the time it fires right up and sounds great, but every so often (maybe 1 out of 100 starts) it makes a weird noise when I hit the starter and doesn't start. I'll push the start button again two seconds later and it'll fire up fine. I guess if it starts happening more often, I should take a look at it. Or should I take a look now? It hasn't been getting worse from what I can tell. Also...that wasn't a phillips head screw driver, Cody, it was a JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard). I thought you went to Honda college, man. : )
Hi Cody , totally unrelated to the clutch vid , but have a 95 cbr600f3 that I'm working on , it currently has the squared off tail fairing , what would I need to change it to the rounded off type 98 fairing ? Would the 98 tail fairing fit right on ? I know I'd need to change rear light and maybe seat ,but just wanted your input on the fairing fitment . Thanks Rob
You think you can do some videos on some 1979 and newer, the ones with a double cam, seems no one has any videos on a motor tare down and rebuild, we need someone experienced to make a video, there’s nothing out there on a rebuild.
Dude I need some help I’ve got a serious question why do my turn signals in the rear light up when pressing my brakes front or rear I cannot figure it out it’s 83 nighthawk 650
Very useful video. I bot a repair kit from Common-motor.com which was just the 3 rollers, pins and springs and had an older mechanic (familiar with old Hondas) install it but it did not help (1969 K1). Online seems other have had same experience (to be fair, the kit often solves the problem) So on another of my three old Honda twins (1976 CB500T) when the starter was slipping I bot a new starter clutch (very expensive and apparently the last one available in N Am. and UK) and had the mechanic install that along with the kit and that cured the problem. But from viewing your vid it seems that the inner part of the "clutch" is unlikely to be worn out by the 3 rollers so maybe it was a waste of $ for the clutch and the kit cured the problem? So my main Q is if I can ever source another starter clutch (PN 28120292000) will it likely solve the problem on the K1? (the starter motors all worked fine)
not too bad but you should have mentioned that the chain driven gear also gets damaged and you should be checking for flats and corrugations in that gear surface ...failure to replace gear that is damaged will make starter clutch fail in the future
I just got into bikes two years ago and a '63 Baby Dream was my first restoration. I love that bike and will keep it forever. Have fun sir. imgur.com/a/Zk9i7
Good tutorial Cody but one thing everyone and this is very important: Read the workshop manual. If you don't have one, this is what it says: If and when you rebuild your starter clutch don't forget to clean the rollers and slots they run in, removing all traces of oil. That's right, no engine oil. As the manual states, it is very very important that we only use automotive silicon grease on these rollers. Silicon grease has lubrication qualities that allow the rollers to grab the race more efficiently. Oils and other greases are too slippery for this type of clutch unit to work at its best. When you use silicon grease, the unit will operate even better. Enjoy the ride!
Out of curiosity,on these 350s i guess this piece doesn't sit inside the crankcase itself? i have a 550 and on mine they sit inside the crankcase drenched in oil,i guess they are made different that this one?
I worked for Honda years ago and a few years back restored a '72 CB 350 TWIN to play with once in a while. Enjoyed watching your video, very casual but very informative to people that need info on getting around what could be a real headache. You need to put out a few more.
I have this same issue on a project cb360. I took it to a shop just to make sure the engine was good before I continued with the project. The guy suggested that I may need to remove the starter and go kick start only, otherwise I could damage the engine. He said that if I wanted to keep it electric start that it would involve splitting engine cases in order to repair the problem?? I did not understand fully what the issue was, but your video explained it very clearly and I think I now know what he was referring to. Thanks a lot for doing this video in such detail!
Thanks for the quick response and that did the trick! 👍 the springs were significantly compressed. Got the rebuild kit and finishing up today. Great video BTW!
PERFECT!
Thanks a million for this - very useful close ups - helped me sort out those pesky rollers/springs/caps on a Honda CB450. Cheers - Mike in England.
Black gloves are not optimal background to view the parts you are showing us. Thank you for the tutorial, it is very helpful. Keep up the good work!
I accidentally shot the whole video in this stupid cinematic filter. Never again!! Thanks for watching!
These videos are being done very well not complaints here and that is saying something for me, a nit picker type of perfectionist.
Great video, loads of useful information! Just a quick tip to save some money, the rear wheel axle will fit the thread of the rotor and can be used as a rotor puller!
Boom!! 350 Gold!! Nice tip!
This was pretty great timing for me. My 83 CB1000 was making that awful starter noise and I'd just pulled it apart but wasn't sure what I was looking at. This helped A LOT!
You should make your website a hub for video how to when working on Hondas. You cant fix everything ever on every motorcycle that Honda built, but you are a Honda tech, so people could submit how to videos to your site, you go over it, if they aren't doing the repair right then don't post it, but if it is clear that they are following a service manual or are also a mechanic, then you could post the video. Your site could become a wikipedia for all Honda motorcycle repair and a person could pay the monthly fee in order to have solid how to videos, kind of like the donation stuff with Wikipedia. Also, I enjoy watching you fix things. Top notch videos.
hot shot rotor wattage numbers are off the charts. highly recommend.
I don’t doubt that one bit! 🤙🏻
My 82cb750k sounded very similar last year. The rollers and the clutch gear needed replacement. The gear was so scored and messed up. Found an original, in the package, replacement on eBay in Italy! It starts so smooth now.
Thanks for the video. You popped in the info about making a kick start system only very quickly but you ought to consider doing a short video specifically on that (including installing the plug). Would also love to see a video about rebuilding a starter motor. Really appreciate these videos. This one was a little dark so you might check your exposure/light correction settings.
A free( everyone should have this) rotor removal tool is to use the rear axle from the bike . The threads are the same. I had my rear wheel removed so it was available to me and it worked great.
Thanks for this great video. I’ll be doing this exact same job on a GL1100 Goldwing - a mega project for this inexperienced motorcycle mechanic!
Very similar problem I am having with my recently acquired ‘82 GL1100. I’m needing to push it down a slope every time I want to go for a ride! Not looking forward to taking the engine out but It’ll be a winter month project for my kids and I.
can torque the rotor bolt if u put it in gear and sit on bike and hold brakes while torqing
Thanks, Cody! You do great videos. Ever see the clutch housing cracked in two places like on my '69 350? All the components seem OK otherwise, three screws very tight.
Awesome video. I have a 1985 Honda vt500 Shadow and I can't find a Stating clutch or rebuild it, where can I find it. Thanks
I had a similar problem on my dohc cb750. the bolts you mentioned backed out but one of the rollers actually fell out of its place as well. really weird, now idea how it happened. I did some research and its something that often happens on these Hondas. I also found out that you can replace the starter clutch with one from an r6 that is more robust, and its nearly a bolt on solution
The rear wheel spindle can also be used as a puller for the rotor.
The music is fine, it makes all the difference to a vid. I hate it when you watch something & ur trying to listen & learn & they got this thrash metal crap going on. You cant hear bugger all. I just skip the vid. U did good cody.
Thanks man!!
TheMotorcycleMD yeah. I actually liked the music quite a bit.
Video is good.but he never gave torque specs , which was my main reason for watching
Great Video, very helpful. My ‘68 CB450 has a very loud squeal when using the starter. No pocket change noise. It works, but sounds rough. Have you heard a starter clutch sound like that? Thanks.
Hi Cody; excellent video i have a question on the starter clutch box where all the oil is in before it leaks all out. after you do the rebuild do you put more oil in and how much and what kiind. i plan on rebuilding my starter clutch also. so for i have the cover off and lots of oil leaked out any info would be appreciated thanks
Hello, i need to do this in cb450s '88, this clutch is absolutely inside the egine... i'm thinking how to avoid this...
Now i'm sure: kickstarter is really cool 😉👍🏻
Greetings from Poland🇵🇱
Thanks for your job
I liked your video on 350 Honda starter clutch replacement. Where do you get your replacement parts?
Nice vid! Do you know where I can find a stator rotor bolt ?
Hey Cody, great video. On the magnet question, a magnet near or against a steel table will not cause it to lose its magnetic properties.
Douglas Phillips if anything it should help preserve magnetism... as it would act like a keeper?
Certainly as you say won’t hurt as it’s always sat on a steel cog anyway.
Thank you MotorcycleMD for this video. In the background you have a Honda Dream 305 cc. I have one too. Have you made any videos on this bike. Please advise me if you have. I would love to watch them. Thank you - Honda Dream nutcase.
Can the starter clutch whine under load if there's something wrong with it?
Yes
@@TheMotorcycleMD Thank you for the reply! would it whine under load and not in neutral? I have the cb600f. Hope your keeping well, your videos are invaluable!!
awesome stuff, man - thanks for sharing this!
Hello, I have a 1964 honda cb77 and have just rebuilt and am in the process of reinstalling my starter clutch. Everything seemed to go smoothly however when I tried to put the sprocket that goes onto the starter motor it would not slide on far enough to allow me to put the clip on to hold it in place. Any suggestions? Thanks.
My CL175 had this problem. When you pressed the starter button, it spun the sprocket but wouldn't catch. I replaced the same Honda parts as you showed, but it still won't engage? Any thoughts. I did thoroughly clean everything.
tip add some silicone to the threads of the bolts helps with stopping the leaks and stops the bolts un screwing them selves
I own an 81 cm400c and my starter clutch is doing just about the same thing. But I don’t think mine is as easy to get to. Any pointers you can give me?
How do three rollers pushed inward by tiny springs on to a smooth gear surface, create enough friction to turn over the entire crankshaft I don’t get it at all????
Sorry guys.. DO NOT USE GREASE OR OIL inside the starter clutch assembly! It's a no-no.
I made this mistake and my as new spec starter clutch would not engage as well as it should have. I then went back to the factory manual and read the following.
The FACTORY service manual explicitly states: "
4. Servicing
-
The serviceability of the starting clutch is dependent
upon the function of the roller, therefore,
exercise the following precautions when handling
the rollers.
a; Use only the specified silicone grease as
lubricant on the rollers.
b. Clean the rollers in gasoline and dry thoroughly
before applying a light coating of silicone
grease to entire surface of the rollers before
assembly, using a fine hair brush.
c. Characteristics of the silicone grease
(a- Little change quality from low temperature
through high temperature)
(b- Temperature causes very little change to
the friction coefficient on coated metal
surface ! )
Hello, how to remove starter clunch to honda cb 750c . Thanks
How will I know if you read my previous comment about vapor blasting instead of manual scraping shit ?? Or any comments at all. Thanks M. E.
Called also a sprag clutch. Much the same as in the helicopter engine to transmission connetion.
How do yo get that center rotor bolt off if it’s stuck? I have a cordless impact but it is not breaking free.
You can have a buddy sit on it in gear and hold the brakes!
Hey Cody the #Hondagod I just had the starter of my 1980 cb750c make that same horrible starter noise so pulled it apart and my black bolt that holds my timing plate was loose I retightened it and now it doesn’t make that noise anymore should I loctite that bolt in so it doesn’t come apart again
I may have missed it but what exactly is that rattle from?
Hi Cody. What happened to the Monday night broadcast's?
I have a 1982 v45 magna I adjusted the valves on it do i need to Synchronize the carbs
hey cody what do you use to spread your amsoil grease? is it a paintbrush? iv tried using all kinds of stuff but cant get anything good. ie. sticks, toothpicks, cotton swabs, fat long screws....
Yup! Just a tiny little cheap paint brush!
blightedmonkey I use a flux brush that's meant for copper flux paste and it works great
Great video. I wasn't even thinking about starter clutches, but now I'm wondering if mine may eventually need some work. (1975 CB750.) I've had the bike for two years and 99 percent of the time it fires right up and sounds great, but every so often (maybe 1 out of 100 starts) it makes a weird noise when I hit the starter and doesn't start. I'll push the start button again two seconds later and it'll fire up fine. I guess if it starts happening more often, I should take a look at it. Or should I take a look now? It hasn't been getting worse from what I can tell. Also...that wasn't a phillips head screw driver, Cody, it was a JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard). I thought you went to Honda college, man. : )
one thing that destroys magnets is getting them too hot, above the 'curie point'. The temperature is different for different magnet materials.
Hi Cody , totally unrelated to the clutch vid , but have a 95 cbr600f3 that I'm working on , it currently has the squared off tail fairing , what would I need to change it to the rounded off type 98 fairing ? Would the 98 tail fairing fit right on ? I know I'd need to change rear light and maybe seat ,but just wanted your input on the fairing fitment .
Thanks
Rob
You think you can do some videos on some 1979 and newer, the ones with a double cam, seems no one has any videos on a motor tare down and rebuild, we need someone experienced to make a video, there’s nothing out there on a rebuild.
Dude I need some help I’ve got a serious question why do my turn signals in the rear light up when pressing my brakes front or rear I cannot figure it out it’s 83 nighthawk 650
Thank You!
Very useful video. I bot a repair kit from Common-motor.com which was just the 3 rollers, pins and springs and had an older mechanic (familiar with old Hondas) install it but it did not help (1969 K1). Online seems other have had same experience (to be fair, the kit often solves the problem) So on another of my three old Honda twins (1976 CB500T) when the starter was slipping I bot a new starter clutch (very expensive and apparently the last one available in N Am. and UK) and had the mechanic install that along with the kit and that cured the problem. But from viewing your vid it seems that the inner part of the "clutch" is unlikely to be worn out by the 3 rollers so maybe it was a waste of $ for the clutch and the kit cured the problem? So my main Q is if I can ever source another starter clutch (PN 28120292000) will it likely solve the problem on the K1? (the starter motors all worked fine)
Can I put loctite on those screws
great vid, thank you
Mello rock classic guitar music great stuff.
Dont need to buy the "special tool" FYI the front axle fits and works nicely!
Should change that front sprocket on the chain
not too bad but you should have mentioned that the chain driven gear also gets damaged and you should be checking for flats and corrugations in that gear surface ...failure to replace gear that is damaged will make starter clutch fail in the future
Was that a 305 dream hiding back there?
A little CA150 dream I picked up! 🤙🏻
I just got into bikes two years ago and a '63 Baby Dream was my first restoration. I love that bike and will keep it forever. Have fun sir. imgur.com/a/Zk9i7