ALL Unreleased & Deleted Scenes from Lord of The Rings: The Two Towers

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  • @eongrobler
    @eongrobler 6 місяців тому +371

    Great video, especially as it's not clickbait. Thoroughly and well done.
    A Return of the King coverage would be welcomed.
    Hoping for those true Ultimate Editions along the line.

    • @MiddleEarthUpdates
      @MiddleEarthUpdates  6 місяців тому +16

      Thank you for the kind words, glad you enjoyed it!

    • @Stuck313
      @Stuck313 6 місяців тому +2

      Except it is clickbait. It isn't showing all those hundreds of hours of cut footage.. Simply narrating what is missing and showing a few clips here and there.
      Love the video, but it most certainly is still clickbait.

    • @pokemaniacmatt7148
      @pokemaniacmatt7148 5 місяців тому +4

      @@Stuck313 Kind of agree, but even before I clicked on the video I saw the 16 minute runtime and thought "Okay this clearly isn't showing 'ALL' the footage"

    • @davrion
      @davrion 5 місяців тому +4

      @@Stuck313 You can see the video length before you click it. You must have been the only person who expected hours of footage who clicked this link. Unreleased scenes are exactly that - unreleased. It's an absolute service to attempt to cobble together what these scenes may have been from teasers, trailers, and interviews from those in the know. Nothing came across as deceptive or sensationalized to me, which is the threshold for clickbait.

    • @Yamulo
      @Yamulo 5 місяців тому

      @@Stuck313 Nah, he says all unreleased scenes and then describes them all. Fairly sure noone but peter jackson would have the hundreds of hours of footage, and if you thought you were getting that you might be dumb

  • @danielsun6166
    @danielsun6166 6 місяців тому +1196

    I would watch a 5 hour version of this movie if ever released.

  • @VashTheStampede4K
    @VashTheStampede4K 6 місяців тому +533

    *R.I.P. Bernard Hill, the one and the only king Théoden of Rohan. We miss you, great actor.*
    *_Forth Eorlingas!_*

    • @FlowerGemsGirl
      @FlowerGemsGirl 6 місяців тому +13

      It would be a great homage to Bernard Hill if they included Theoden’s excellent speech at Helm’s Deep that they cut out. Even if it was just added as a bonus on the extended dvd’s.

    • @jakob2567
      @jakob2567 5 місяців тому +7

      You know Your a great Actor if they need You to delivere a speech that inspires hope and in the final edit they need to cut it because You inspired too much hope for the rest of the plot to work.

    • @loci5327
      @loci5327 5 місяців тому +4

      "Where was Gondor when the Westfold fell?!"

    • @cynthiaahern9081
      @cynthiaahern9081 4 місяці тому +2

      I am very sad at his passing 😢

    • @Double-R-Nothing
      @Double-R-Nothing 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@jakob2567 Is that seriously why it was cut? If so, God that's badass.

  • @Lauren-z8s
    @Lauren-z8s 5 місяців тому +177

    I would gladly see a whole movie just based on Aragorn and Arwen's story, with both their origins, their first encounter, their journey both separately and together, and their days as King and Queen of Gondor and the death of Aragorn and Arwen's end afterwards, and how their love story was all meant to happen since Eru decreted it was meant to be. I have a soft spot for these two characters. Viggo Mortensen and Liv Tyler were born to portray Aragorn and Arwen. You see them on screen and you just stand there, mesmerized ❤

    • @adhdhamster
      @adhdhamster 4 місяці тому +13

      I would absolutely spend any amount of hours watching that lol

    • @Lauren-z8s
      @Lauren-z8s 2 місяці тому +5

      @@deandean838 God please NO hahaha

  • @laurasaxon694
    @laurasaxon694 6 місяців тому +242

    Grima poisoning Theodred seems like a very good explanation for how quickly he deteriorated and why Grima looked so surprised when he came into the room and found Eowyn sobbing over him.

    • @bluueeberries
      @bluueeberries 6 місяців тому +7

      I thought of that when I've watched

    • @rj8877
      @rj8877 6 місяців тому +15

      PJ confirmed they did film a scene of Grima pouring poison into his ear, which was a reference to Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet. Originally during ROTK, Saruman was going to expose this to Theoden during the Voice of Saruman scene which was initially why Grima pulled the knife out.

    • @repentaren
      @repentaren 5 місяців тому +5

      I'm pretty sure this was in the script at some point. I am basing this on memory, but I'm pretty sure that the fact that Wormtounge poisoned Theodred is mentioned in some old game based on the movies (I think it's from the ROTK on Gameboy Advanced). Based on what I've heard, those games had access to early versions of the movie scripts to be able to finalize development and release close to the movie releases.
      Guessing there could a similar situation with the toy, that the poison vial is there due to that when manufacturing started, the intention was to have the poisoning be a plot point in the movie.

    • @1400RiverRoad
      @1400RiverRoad 5 місяців тому

      @@rj8877 Do you remember where you heard/read this?

  • @TheEggroll4321
    @TheEggroll4321 5 місяців тому +137

    There was no need for a scene depicting what Frodo would look like if he failed. Gollum was a constant representation of that the entire journey

    • @henriksentaylor
      @henriksentaylor 3 місяці тому +7

      That's very perspective😊

    • @Mohamed-u6y1o
      @Mohamed-u6y1o 22 дні тому +1

      Frodo get corrupted at last moment so its forshadowing

  • @tonypapas9854
    @tonypapas9854 6 місяців тому +220

    9:57 Bernard Hill just crushed his role as Theoden......even in a deleted scene.

    • @MarshWaha
      @MarshWaha 6 місяців тому +10

      RIP Bernard Hill

  • @surinurkholifah2083
    @surinurkholifah2083 5 місяців тому +62

    Bernard Hill was perfect for Theoden. He had that king’s aura that his speech could truly move the audiences. Hearing his speech in Pelennor Field was enough to make me want to join him in the war.

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      'Ere the sun rises!" Is quite possibly the most epic scene ever filmed in cinema history.

    • @AshleighBaggins
      @AshleighBaggins 7 днів тому +2

      Everyone was just absolutely made for their character. The casting was so fantastic! So few trilogies and movies are like that, and LOTR (and The Hobbit too) is definitely the best!

  • @flightlesslord2688
    @flightlesslord2688 6 місяців тому +148

    the Arwen stuff is super interesting, considering they already added a lot to her character.

    • @adammillar1324
      @adammillar1324 5 місяців тому +34

      I was intrigued by the Arwen alternatives as well!
      I always felt there was such a contrast to how we meet her in the first movie. She is playful, dynamic, and powerful.
      ‘What’s this? A ranger caught off his guard?’
      ‘If you want him, come and claim him!’
      Compared to her scenes in the rest of the films where mostly she cries, argues with Elrond, and is generally far from the action.
      Fighting alongside Aragorn at Helms Deep seems closer to the Arwen we first meet.
      I certainly don’t mean that a character can’t have both these elements, and Arwens choice to marry Aragorn as a mortal is narratively interesting.
      Just that Arwen changes so drastically from our first impression of her.

    • @dungeondesigns104
      @dungeondesigns104 2 місяці тому +5

      I would love to see her scenes at Helm’s Deep. I wonder what would have happened after? It would have been cool if she stayed with Aragorn for the rest of the movie.

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      @@dungeondesigns104 If Arwen had been at Helm's Deep, she would have been with the women and children fleeing through the glittering caves. If they included the probable scenes of Eowyn tending to the wounded, Arwen probably could have served a role there. If they included Eowyn's fight in the glittering caves, Arwen would not have been fighting. And if Arwen was made to fight with the men, she would be dead, just like almost every other man and elf at Helm's Deep.
      Arwen was a noble lady. Eowyn was the tom boy. They didn't need both women to be tom boys, any more than they needed both to be ladies. Arwen and Eowyn contrast eachother. It is telling that both loved Aragorn, but he chose Arwen, and while Arwen became queen mother, Eowyn married Faramir and became queen regent.
      In short, it is not Arwen being meek and mild later that was off, but Arwen portrayed as a warrior in the beginning that was wrong. Thank goodness Peter Jackson got the second and third books right.

  • @mevb
    @mevb 6 місяців тому +85

    I don't expect a newer extended edition but I certainly want an anniversary edition with those extra scenes as seperate deleted scenes to be released. Come on, Warner Bros! Just let Jackson release them already because it'll mean more money for you!

    • @chuiga2935
      @chuiga2935 6 місяців тому +15

      I would love to have extended ultra version with all behind the scenes and extra shots

    • @evercar5769
      @evercar5769 5 місяців тому +5

      “Shut up and take my money!”

  • @fydofire
    @fydofire 5 місяців тому +27

    What people don't notice is that "Haleth, son of Hama" the boy who talks to Aragorn while working on his sword...is actually the son of THAT mentioned Hama who died in the warg attack. Having Aragorn seen his death makes the scene a little bit more impactful. Could have dropped a line there.

    • @MiddleEarthUpdates
      @MiddleEarthUpdates  5 місяців тому +3

      That’s true and could have done a lot for the movie actually!

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      That is a great scene; thank you for pointing it out. I always have a hard time understanding what they are sayin in it. That and I did not know the name of Hama in the movie until I had watched it about two dozen times, nor even realized he died! I know that sounds ridiculous, but in armour, Hama and Grimbold looked similar enough that for years I registered them as the same person). It was also around that two dozen times mark when I realized that the Grimbold being put in command of a third of the Rohirim was a character we were actuially supposed to know, that we had already been introdouced to him.
      Sure, I am not the die hard fan, but I would bet the same points are true for 90% of viewers. In one ear and outb the other without stopping.

  • @joemck74
    @joemck74 6 місяців тому +62

    Imagine if they whipped out a 25 minute scene from the Old Forest to Bree, and it was actually awesome and believable - with a jolly but somehow terrifying Tom Bombadil singing songs that you can't get out of your head and Barrow Wights and living trees that give adults nightmares.

  • @zumeraaa
    @zumeraaa 5 місяців тому +35

    I would’ve loved more Arwen in the film. She was fantastic.

  • @unferrc
    @unferrc 5 місяців тому +24

    Thank you for putting this together. Very interesting and informative. I've always wished Arwen's story arc had a lot more than was shown. I understand the editing process is difficult, plus the pressure of compacting in a coherent way. But these additional shots would have made her character a stronger part of the story.

  • @joemanu96
    @joemanu96 2 місяці тому +7

    Arwen being at helms deep is soo interesting. Would of been hard to understand how elrond allowed his daughter to go.
    would of been cool for her to have potentially escaped rivendel at night and chase after the elven army for Helms Deep to aid Aragon. Or maybe Elrond could of been still reluctant to send the army at first. So she escapes for Helms Deep to force his hand and so he sends them there to help the humans win the battle to save his daughter.
    Either way it would of been nice to flesh out her character and to see her chop up a few orcs in the process.

  • @marcochelotti5495
    @marcochelotti5495 5 місяців тому +23

    113 hours of raw lord of the rings footage, I would take a week of work just to watch it!

  • @Marandahir
    @Marandahir 5 місяців тому +43

    Great vid. One note: Celeborn is pronounced Keleborn, not Seleborn.
    All names that start with C in Tolkien’s works make a K sound, not an S sound. He was of a mind to update the books with Ks instead of Cs but K looks harsher than C and he wanted to preserve the letter K for “ugly” words like Uruk (though even Orc and Sindarin Yrch replaces it with a C)!

  • @detaaditya6237
    @detaaditya6237 5 місяців тому +30

    That's a lot of original arwen + galadriel + elrond original storyline that was cut. That's very interesting

    • @harmhoeks5996
      @harmhoeks5996 Місяць тому +2

      Makes sense. It distracts from the original story of the fellowship.

  • @Shatter149
    @Shatter149 6 місяців тому +76

    arwen fighting at helms deep is the crazy part for me

    • @stormysummer162
      @stormysummer162 5 місяців тому +9

      Thank god thats not the case

    • @lamdao1242
      @lamdao1242 4 місяці тому +1

      @@stormysummer162agree

    • @lamdao1242
      @lamdao1242 4 місяці тому +11

      Absolutely does not make sense. Thank goodness it was deleted

    • @lollipop2920
      @lollipop2920 4 місяці тому +4

      @@lamdao1242ya agree, narratively it was the right decision. would still totally love to see the alternative version tho! can never say no to extra lotr

    • @Chris-we7hh
      @Chris-we7hh 2 місяці тому +2

      Yeah, wouldn't make sense that Elrond would send her daughter to such an incredibly dangerous siege.
      Especially later on RoTK where he's super protective of her and wanted her to go to the Undying Lands

  • @MrPeantify
    @MrPeantify 6 місяців тому +49

    I'm pretty sure when Gandald says "there is a union now between the two towers" that scene made it as a cut scene in the PS2 LOTR video game "Return of the King"

    • @MiddleEarthUpdates
      @MiddleEarthUpdates  6 місяців тому +5

      That’s a cool fact! Didn’t know that.

    • @halfblooddutchprince
      @halfblooddutchprince 6 місяців тому +3

      Few alternate shots in the game I believe.

    • @kortov7756
      @kortov7756 Місяць тому +1

      I played the PC version of that one and think you might be correct indeed! Been quite some time since then, but I recalled it now that you mentioned it.

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      I don't remember the line, but I sure loved that game, especially clearing Pelinore Fields.

  • @allandm
    @allandm 5 місяців тому +29

    Omg Eowyn having to fight one or two uruks in helm deep would've been AMAZING

    • @ankymrn
      @ankymrn Місяць тому +2

      It would be the girlboss Rey Skywalker moment that no one needed, so no. It's good they cut it out.

    • @allandm
      @allandm Місяць тому +2

      @@ankymrn i don't think it would be that unbelievable for her to beat one uruk there. I'm not asking her to beat a small army like Aragorn in Amon Hen 😂

    • @Gonzo2288
      @Gonzo2288 28 днів тому

      Nahhh glad it was cut

    • @Zoeaxel
      @Zoeaxel 25 днів тому +3

      @@allandm I would have loved to see this too! There always has to be someone that simply can't stand that women can be strong warriors, even when that's LITERALLY who Eowyn is 🤦🏻‍♀ a shieldmaiden of Rohan who defeated the Witch-king of Angmar ❤‍🔥 so yeah I agree that scene would have fit perfectly

    • @allandm
      @allandm 25 днів тому +2

      @Zoeaxel exactly, I think it would've worked even better. If we saw her fight (even if just one uruk) in Helms Deep, when we do see her fighting many orcs in Pelennor Fields it won't come as much of a surprise.. since we saw her mention she trains and we SAW her in action

  • @Chosenbythehorse
    @Chosenbythehorse 2 місяці тому +3

    I'm so sad about the Arwen cuts. I would have LOVED to see her at Helm's deep so much! Thank you for this wonderful video ❤ LOTR will always be one of the best movies ever made!! 🎉

  • @saphyrionelendilion7166
    @saphyrionelendilion7166 5 місяців тому +8

    Sooo much material, so much effort behind this movie, so little went on the screen. Cannot imagine how is for the actors as well, to see so much of their work not appearing every time. Thanks for the video!

    • @harmhoeks5996
      @harmhoeks5996 Місяць тому

      It's the reverse 😂😂. All the cut work makes the final product more endearing. Lasting ages by its distillment. Its hard work reflected through a shining diamond instead of a cobblestone.

  • @kobarsos82
    @kobarsos82 5 місяців тому +18

    Its insane, there was so much more material it could easily have been another full movie, making for a tetralogy. But its ok I guess we don't need to be greedy. We are lucky this happened in the first place, and this trilogy is already legendary enough even without all that material missing. Would have been so interesting and beautiful to see more of Arwen and Eowyn, the politics and the elves, but these movies do remain relevant even today, nothing even comes close when it comes to fantasy storytelling. What a terrific job from all that amazing cast and production team, Peter Jackson at the height of its career, a once in a century masterpiece. Damn!

    • @harmhoeks5996
      @harmhoeks5996 Місяць тому +1

      It distracts too much from the 'main story' for a movie.
      Cutting content is a great way to show a beautiful focused movie or game

  • @bintube5269
    @bintube5269 6 місяців тому +60

    Crazy how im still finding out about new deleted scenes in these movies. Kinda like Star Wars, they just keep coming.

    • @Skuldug
      @Skuldug 5 місяців тому +2

      Yeah same
      Speaking of star wars I only just recently found out about the 4 hour initial cut if ROTS

  • @Melleina
    @Melleina 4 місяці тому +10

    1300 hours across all 3 films?
    less than half i would have hoped

  • @Stuck313
    @Stuck313 6 місяців тому +12

    They cut the close up of grima spitting on aragorns hand due to the wind blowing so hard he ended up spitting himself in the face. Which is also why it is cut together like it is in the movie, to give the illusion that he hits aragorns hand.

  • @amy_ambrosio
    @amy_ambrosio 2 місяці тому +3

    Awww, I'd have loved to see more of Arwen and Arwen+Aragorn together, great video 👐

  • @thephenome1462
    @thephenome1462 6 місяців тому +21

    Thanks for making this, quite a bit of new information there! I am glad that they chose to go with Haldir as the leader of the Elves, as Arwen was already more prominent in the movies than in the books, and her leading an army would've been a bit much, since we don't actually know how good of a leader she is, and there is no implication about her potential skills.
    Also, vision Frodo is hella creepy...

  • @janysmahoney1271
    @janysmahoney1271 Місяць тому +2

    Don't care if Lords trilogy was 10days long, I'd STILL watch/ love it and b mesmerised by points missed from the 1st 100x of watching it.
    A cinematic masterpiece which will never b liked again in my lifetime

  • @k7l3rworkman97
    @k7l3rworkman97 5 місяців тому +11

    Dunland was actually mentioned in the theatrical cut of the Fellowship. Legolas shouts
    “Grabeye from Dunland” after Gimli says it’s nothing, just a whiff of cloud… so Eowyn saying Dunlandans would’ve only slipped those who weren’t paying attention

  • @seanmiller5460
    @seanmiller5460 6 місяців тому +33

    Given Bernard Hill's passing, I would love to see his Helms Deep speech in the armory.

  • @allandm
    @allandm 5 місяців тому +12

    They did Eowyn dirty, cut her fighting uruks in helms deep and cut her fighting orcs at the pelenor fields. At least the latter made it into the extended edition

    • @FuchsiaFire444
      @FuchsiaFire444 Місяць тому +1

      Agreed. The treatment of the female characters ..

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      @@FuchsiaFire444 It wasn't sexism any more than cutting out Tom Bombadil or the scouring of the shire were sexist. I would have loved to see more Eowyn fighting too, but the films were already how many hours long despite how much was cut and condensed?

  • @legorearick1312
    @legorearick1312 6 місяців тому +34

    That's crazy seeing Frodo Baggins turning into Gollum he looks really creepy and scary 👀😦😱

    • @Shatter149
      @Shatter149 6 місяців тому +3

      glad they didn't use that. because ot doesnt make sense. hes turning so quickly yet frodo proves that he is the most resistant of the ring. gollum on the other hand took him years and years to evolve

    • @kelteel
      @kelteel 6 місяців тому +9

      It was a vision Faramir sees. Frodo didn't actually turn into Gollum. That's why he decided not to want the ring.

    • @Shatter149
      @Shatter149 5 місяців тому +2

      @@JavscoGaming i know that. but commonly in this vesion things can actually happen in the future! so in the end, its better they cut that off.

    • @julieeverett7442
      @julieeverett7442 4 місяці тому

      @@Shatter149 try centuries, at this point in time Gollum is over 600 years old

    • @Shatter149
      @Shatter149 4 місяці тому

      @@julieeverett7442 well so far the footage showed it happened like years months ago. did you watch the video? so im glad they cut that off

  • @SapphireExile
    @SapphireExile 2 місяці тому +1

    I love how informative this was!
    It wasn't a deleted scene moment, but a few years ago, the movie theater near me was playing the extended version of Return of the King. I was there with a friend and my dad at the time, and from the part when Frodo, Sam, and Gollum are trying to sneak towards the stairs, to when the Orcs are ambushing Faramir and everyone in Osgilith, the sound cut from the movie. This is one of my favorite moments ever, because to make up for it, when the Orcs were stomping out of Minas Morgul, the audience in the theater room, myself included, all began to stomp on the floor until the army was gone. The first sound we heard when the audio came back was when Gothmog and his army were coming from the water and Gothmog said "QUIET... "
    It really made everyone laugh. Best movie theater moment I've ever had.

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      The secret stairway out of Morgul Vale and around Cirith Ungol! That would have been an epic memory indeed!

  • @MSheen-ef3ly
    @MSheen-ef3ly 5 місяців тому +3

    I've watched the extended versions multiple times. It works the way it is, but there are just a couple of areas where the pacing shifts. This is why film studios have editors, the editors and director edit the 1300 hours down to something that is digestible by the audience.

  • @Jayne22
    @Jayne22 6 місяців тому +16

    Yes, I would watch all these too in an even longer version if it was possible

  • @egillskallagrimson5879
    @egillskallagrimson5879 2 місяці тому +3

    It amaze me how Jackson and his team took so many liberties inventing scenes and think "yeah this is respectful to Tolkien's work" yet most likely Tolkien wouldn't have liked the elves at Helm's Deep but certainly would have love a passionate speech of Theoden bc even when there is despair and fear in the hearts of men facing evil, hope and bravery is essential in Tolien's work and there is no elves in the book just the courage of men so that speech would have been top notch.

  • @dakapo8985
    @dakapo8985 3 місяці тому +3

    I can understand why it's not in the movie. But Shadowfax trying to smooch Gandalf is great.

  • @asmodiusjones9563
    @asmodiusjones9563 6 місяців тому +7

    There is footage of the orcs of Moria chasing the Fellowship into the woods after Gandalf falls, it was in the very first trailer of Fellowship of the Ring. I remember specifically an arrow wizzing past Boromir’s face.

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      That battle in Lorien would have been awesome, but I am okay with it being left out, assaid battle never happened in the book. Instead, we just hear the elves complaining that the Fellowship stirred up and led orcs to Lorien, and they the elves had to clean up the Fellowship's mess.

  • @ObiGommGaming
    @ObiGommGaming 6 місяців тому +3

    Awesome video thank you so much. This must have taken ages to put together!

  • @pho3nix-
    @pho3nix- Місяць тому +1

    Nice compilation, thanks

  • @VashTheStampede4K
    @VashTheStampede4K 6 місяців тому +33

    I would like very much an extra bonus version of the fight between Aragorn and Sauron at the Black Gate in 4K with the special effects and the full Dagorlad battle with Gil-galad and his death (it was filmed).
    Nice video.
    Greetings.

    • @Xiroi87
      @Xiroi87 6 місяців тому +11

      I'm sure PJ removed that scene because he was aware of all the backlash he's get. No, just no, there's a limit to what can be changed from the original.

    • @VashTheStampede4K
      @VashTheStampede4K 6 місяців тому +3

      @@Xiroi87
      I totally agree, but I would like to see that scene in 4K as an extra in the 25th Anniversary release of that masterpiece of a trilogy. I would love to see it, along with other deleted scenes.
      In my opinion, Peter Jackson was wrong to eliminate the parts with Gil-galad. In the original version of the movie Gil-galad is only seen for two seconds.
      I would have liked an extended version of the Battle of Dagorlad in the Extended Edition of L.O.T.R.

    • @kanukki84
      @kanukki84 6 місяців тому

      @@Xiroi87 Many people think Sauron was just a burning eye at the time, even though he had a proven physical body, it was his corrupt form and he was missing a finger.

    • @Xiroi87
      @Xiroi87 5 місяців тому +2

      @@kanukki84 He still didn't show up at the gates to personally fight Aragorn

    • @kanukki84
      @kanukki84 5 місяців тому

      Of course it won't appear, I know that very well. If he had appeared he would not have been able to appear in his Annatar form. I'm a walking encyclopedia of Middle-earth.

  • @armandobracero3725
    @armandobracero3725 6 місяців тому +6

    Arwen having involvement in the battle of helms deep is crazy.

  • @erinspeller4025
    @erinspeller4025 6 місяців тому +11

    What do we want? FULLL EXTENDED!!! I am actually quite annoyed with Arwen's cuts from this (partially for the amount of work Liv Tyler must have done only to be cut entirely), because they started off with her as a bit of a badass; outrunning Nazgûl, drawing her sword, and then using magic to defeat them temporarily (I know this is different in the books)... however, afterwards, she's just a quiet "princess in the tower" type of character. I would have loved seeing her at Helms Deep (although, I also know the Elven army was not present either).
    I think part of me just wants Arwen and Éowyn to have met...

    • @beau6634
      @beau6634 2 місяці тому +1

      Het narrative doesn’t even make sense anymore considering Galadriel is her grandmother. And now we get to watch what a badass Galadriel is in rings of power and I think arwin would definitely follow her footsteps.

    • @johnquigley1366
      @johnquigley1366 2 місяці тому

      Yes we need a scene of Arwen and Eowyn sword fighting for Aarogon

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      Arwen was not a warrior in the book. Her portrayal in the second and third movie were correct, while her portrayal as a warrior in the first was wrong.
      For the warrior woman story, you have Eowyn. Making Arwen another Eowyn eliminates one more female role model, and removes the contrast between Arwen and Eowyn.

  • @Rick_King
    @Rick_King 5 місяців тому +4

    Another problem with the Worg attack. The people were traveling east, from Edoras to Helm's Deep. The Worgs attacked from the left, or North. Coming from Isengard, they should have attacked from the right!
    No matter, I still love the films, and would love to see extended versions of the extended versions!

  • @madness9651
    @madness9651 6 місяців тому +14

    I can't believe they cast a real Ent for these movies. I wonder what happened to him?

  • @bubblebus1
    @bubblebus1 3 місяці тому +1

    Many thanks for all your work to gather these scenes. As I read the books long before the films were made, I can more easily get the context for some of the scenes omitted. That said, the text allows time for reflection and deeper understanding whilst the movies must have the wider audience appeal (perhaps for those with a shorter attention span?) It would be great to have the remaining scenes assembled for Return of the King, just to complete the set.

  • @ellietobe
    @ellietobe 6 місяців тому +10

    There is an interview of Christopher Lee in which he said that Jackson took at least 10 to 20 shots of each scene. That would make for tons of unreleased takes that would be very repetitious.

    • @balrog4779
      @balrog4779 6 місяців тому +2

      I remember the scene where Eomer's sword fell out of its scabbard. It's strange that they didn't reshoot this scene.

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      Yep. And that repetition would quickly ruin the magic of the story told. Thank goodness for all the editors.

  • @jesusknight1
    @jesusknight1 5 місяців тому +3

    The scene when she tells Grima that his words are poison to her makes sense now.. she was letting him know she knew what he'd done.

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      Words being poison makes sense standing on its own. But even then, Wormtongue was called Wormtongue for a reason. And in the books, Theoden's deceit is clearly blamed on Worntongue. His words being poison already applied to Theoden, and needn't apply to Theodred as well.

  • @celinechamoun7350
    @celinechamoun7350 6 місяців тому +13

    Yes Please Return of the king unreleased scenes

  • @tamfang
    @tamfang 2 місяці тому +2

    Fun fact about Aragorn's stubble: according to Tolkien, certain high Dúnedain (because of their Elvish ancestry) have no beards, explicitly including Denethor & sons, Imrahil, and Aragorn.

  • @JaymeSplendid
    @JaymeSplendid 6 місяців тому +5

    9:06 No...
    In the 3rd film opening with Gollum first finding the ring, they showed his change. Gollum had the ring but used it constantly for 13 years before he was kicked out and by then, he hardly changed. He spent about another10 years before entering the caves for good. By the time he entered the cave, he was unrecognizable from what he used to be and the, he still hand't completely change and this was all practical effects until he was in the caves. Bilbo had the ring for 60 years and didn't change at all. I think the vision he had would have been what Frodo would change into about half way if he would have kept the ring but not the final change.
    Regardless, CGI was only used on Gollum after his 400 years of being the ring bearer and at his final transformation.

    • @k7l3rworkman97
      @k7l3rworkman97 5 місяців тому

      That AND seeing Frodo like that was only a sort of vision (if I heard correctly)
      Faramir only briefly sees Frodo in corrupted form. Meaning he wasn’t fully transformed, but Faramir was able to see/sense the power and corruption

  • @joel2craft
    @joel2craft 6 місяців тому +3

    Very good work and very good video, thanks for capturing all of this for us❤

    • @MiddleEarthUpdates
      @MiddleEarthUpdates  6 місяців тому +2

      Thank you for the kind words! It took a long time to edit the video, gathering all the clips and images from various sources. It's not just thanks to us that we have all the material; it's thanks to many people in the community who have found and gathered the images, quotes, clips, and more over the years! :)

    • @joel2craft
      @joel2craft 6 місяців тому

      @@MiddleEarthUpdates yeah i think i cant even imagine how long it took:) so you defintly deserve those words and thank you for all your work u put in your videos. As a hard LOTR nerd i love your account

  • @-_-3776
    @-_-3776 6 місяців тому +20

    Arwen/Liv Tyler deserves so much more sceen time in the trilogy they just removed so much

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      They removed a ton of everyone. They spent three months filming just at Helm's Deep. But in the end, the cuts are what made LoTR great, and the opposite why the Hobbit trilogy sucks.

  • @CyBromancer7562
    @CyBromancer7562 4 місяці тому +1

    I would be really down for a miniseries, either on streaming platforms or in a case, with as much unused scenes that could work in it, just because of the sheer immense length. If people still prefer the extended or theatrical cuts, they can stick to those of course! Alternate, storyboarded or unfinished scenes could be released as special features. There could be at least three episodes per movie, each being a chunky film in its own right. I heard how much Helms Deep footage was made (whether glittering caves or stunt fights), and I would be down for whole episode in the miniseries centered around that battle, adding on to the immersion, brutality, scale and importance of that fight. The Last Alliance intro, more Shire scenes, the Moria Orc ambush in Lothlorien, New Zealand travel montages, extended battles and more Fourth Age scenes would be things I would look forward to as well. I also wonder if they ever filmed more scenes with Bill the Pony, as he was very much a background character. I wonder if he had an introduction in Bree and interactions with Sam.

  • @XueYangbaby
    @XueYangbaby 4 місяці тому +1

    Jackson mentioned how much footage they have of unreleased scenes, miles long footages. don't care how long would it be at the end, but he HAS TO release ALL the unseen footage. I personaly can't get enough of LOTR and The Hobbit, also all the werk films etc. these films are just magical. cannot understand those who don't like them.

  • @Allannah_Of_Rome
    @Allannah_Of_Rome 6 місяців тому +4

    Miranda let slip in a podcast that her character became more popular than Liv's character by the end of Two Towers hence why she had a lot of scenes cut as not to upset anyone but in saying that, she still had way more scenes than Liv did anyhoo.

    • @Albtraum_TDDC
      @Albtraum_TDDC 6 місяців тому +1

      Cause she's more human than an idealized version.

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      Because Eowyn had a pivotal role in the story, while Arwen did not.

  • @Zoeaxel
    @Zoeaxel 25 днів тому +2

    It definitely would have made sense to include Eowyn's fighting scene.
    If I had seen that on the final version, I would have simply assumed that a small group of Uruk-hai were tasked with finding the glittering caves and unfortunately succeeded.
    Her killing them would NOT take away from her big moment when she defeated the Witch-king. It would have made perfect sense as we'd get to see that she is indeed a capable warrior.
    We would then have felt for her even more as she was still set aside basically for being a woman. It would have had all of us rooting for her and cheering for her even more when she turned out to be the one that defeated the Witch-king! And her very iconic line would have landed even better!! ❤‍🔥😍

    • @ryanaegis3544
      @ryanaegis3544 10 днів тому

      Eowyn wasn't forbidden from fighting because she was a woman; she was trained and capable of riding and fighting. But her duty was to lead Rohan in the King's absence, a duty which she immaturely shirked when she disguised herself and rode off to battle.
      In the book, after she defeats the Witch King is one of the most heart wrenching scenes (that Peter Jackson also got completely wrong): Theoden is dying, Eowyn is laying lifeless very nearby, and Eomer comes and cradles Theoden's head as he passes. Theoden tells Eomer to relay a message to Eowyn back in Rohan, and Eomer doesn't have the heart to tell him that Eowyn is lying just feet away apparently dead. Eowyn is a wonderful character, displaying contrasting ideas of noble and lady like behavior with Arwen, also falling in love with Arwen's fiance, and yet, Eowyn also shows the petulance of youth, the rashness and depression and fear. She overcomes it in the end, but that story is again, better told in the book than the movie.
      I do agree with the Glittering Caves scene though; would have loved to have seen Eowyn fight (as she did there in the book). And it makes sense that Theoden charging out of the Hornburg would not clear out every Uruk, even if the Hornburg had a ramp like in the movie that could just be swept, as the Uruks had also taken the Deeping Wall, and were everywhere, not just at the front door; those not cut down would have quickly filled in behind Theodejn's paltry forces and stormed the caves (as they did in the book).

  • @harryb.3940
    @harryb.3940 5 місяців тому +3

    Namarie Bernhard Hill. The greatest king of Rohan. If they published the deleted scenes within the movies, I would by them.

  • @p.gin3955
    @p.gin3955 5 місяців тому +3

    Man I wish Peter Jackson would just have finished editing all the extra footage, make it work timeline wise, and release a new version of The Lord of the Rings in a series format...

  • @wolfyboy
    @wolfyboy 5 місяців тому +1

    The reason they cut the "grima spitting" part was that it was very windy that day (it had calm down in that scene) but it still blew the spit back into grimas face, or it simply flew back.

  • @xina968
    @xina968 6 місяців тому +4

    You do a very nice job! I enjoy your videos 👍

  • @thomassaldana2465
    @thomassaldana2465 Місяць тому +1

    When he says there are 1300 hours of footage, I have to wonder how much of that is just duplicate footage.
    What I mean is, if they have a ten-second shot, but they have twelve takes trying to get it right, that's two minutes. So, when they're counting that 1300 hours, does that include ten seconds from that shot, or two minutes?

  • @bluryfilms
    @bluryfilms 3 місяці тому +1

    i honestly would have LOVED to have seen arwen at the battle of helms deep....really showcase more of aragorns love for a woman who isn't just some pretty face that is absent from 99.9999999% of the story, but actually will be there to fight and possibly die at his side.

  • @AJ0223
    @AJ0223 5 місяців тому +8

    Ironic they would make more money releasing all this extra footage than they ever will making garbage series and bs movies that no one wants. People who still think its all about money dont get it

    • @henriksentaylor
      @henriksentaylor 2 місяці тому

      Yes. The fact that the deleted and left out scenes from LOTR is such outstanding quality compared to anything else, speaks volumes.

  • @Finis.Terrae
    @Finis.Terrae 6 місяців тому +3

    1300 hours of video material?
    Gladly...
    I watched movies countless times,but i think i watched ;;;how its made even more

  • @breannanorthrup5498
    @breannanorthrup5498 4 місяці тому +1

    I think this is an important reminder that art requires editing. You will make a bunch of stuff and some of it won't go with the rest of it and you have to keep trying things till it all makes sense.

  • @razr1703
    @razr1703 4 місяці тому +1

    7:49 that's interesting. In Two Towers game there's a level in Edoras when it's under attack, I always wandered where'd it come from

  • @Allannah_Of_Rome
    @Allannah_Of_Rome 6 місяців тому +6

    RIP Bernard Hill - I know your face!

  • @mevb
    @mevb 6 місяців тому +1

    Think the reason the close-up wasn't used was because of the hard winds at Mount Sunday, it made the spit not hit Viggo Mortensen's hand but actually make a sharp corner and fly off so they had no choice to skip it. It's bee cofmirmed in the behind the scenes documentaries.

  • @jwall2415
    @jwall2415 2 місяці тому +1

    We need an "Unrated Ultimate Cut"!

  • @rashida7777
    @rashida7777 Місяць тому +1

    Eowyn with a sword was ridiculous. She just didn't seem to have the strength to lift it. If she was a little more like Xena...I could see it. But they needed someone more athletic.

  • @sethnaffziger1402
    @sethnaffziger1402 3 місяці тому +1

    I love the deleted scenes and I would love to see a cut with most of them in it! I am happy Arwen wasn't in helms deep, that would have been egregiously lore breaking (more so than the elves) When I was younger I remember seeing an elf looking person in the scene that still has her in it and wondering who it was, I ended up thinking it was a random elf or Legolas 😂

  • @mevb
    @mevb 6 місяців тому +1

    The bit where the Uruks cover their ears when Gimli blows the Horn of Helm Hammerhand, it is part of the book. I think the reason it got cut was due to the pace fo the scene.

  • @ewwmorons
    @ewwmorons 5 місяців тому +1

    That Arwen fighting scene is epic indeed, but ridiculous.

  • @HandsomeSquidward-q7g
    @HandsomeSquidward-q7g 3 місяці тому +1

    1300 hours were filmed in total for the LotR trilogy.
    We've only seen maybe 12-14 hours of footage if we count the extended editions and all the deleted scenes we've seen so far. They cut a lot of really good stuff which has been fully filmed and/or rendered.
    WHERE ARE THE OTHER 1284+ HOURS?!?

  • @deviandrianto
    @deviandrianto 6 місяців тому +3

    8:46 i did not know this scene was exist. its very cool if tey put in the movie.

  • @cincameron
    @cincameron 5 місяців тому +1

    I would love if they did another re-release of the films with complete deleted scenes included (as long as they do not contradict the story of the current films, ofc).

  • @imkluu
    @imkluu 5 місяців тому +5

    So happy they removed Arwen from the Helm's Deep battle. They made too many changes from the books already, but completely fabricating this and inserting it in would have been terrible.

  • @carlosherediavargas2985
    @carlosherediavargas2985 3 місяці тому

    Here there are many I'm really thankful didn't appear in the movies, but that scene of Frodo having this nightmare of becoming something very similar to Gollum was so powerful! I can't believe they didn't add it 💔

  • @No-hybrid-dino
    @No-hybrid-dino 5 днів тому

    2:16 It's the greatest scene. I remember it since my first time watching at 9 years old.
    And it could be longer!

  • @NorthEndLeader
    @NorthEndLeader 4 місяці тому +1

    i hope PJ actually does another cut of the movie like he has hinted to a few times.

  • @SkipCruciana-Argoud
    @SkipCruciana-Argoud 3 місяці тому

    Oh yes, a video on Return of the King please !

  • @nathancruz9172
    @nathancruz9172 6 місяців тому +1

    9:07 Frodo’s vision of being gollum is even more creepier than the real gollum.

  • @mevb
    @mevb 6 місяців тому +1

    One of the unused Treebeard lines he says "Hobbits? They're not on the old lists." reffering to a bit in the book when Treebeard tries to go throw a list of different creatures such as Men, Elves, Dwarves, Ents and several animals. Either Merry or Pippin suggest to add The Hobbits next to Men in the list, which he later confirms at the Ent Moot that the ents include hobbits in the list.

  • @bagginshieldforlife
    @bagginshieldforlife 6 місяців тому +2

    what about second extended edition?

  • @tss3393
    @tss3393 2 місяці тому

    7:30 Hama and Gamling's actors had one of the best BTS moments when they were dinking around with the crew's equipment.
    "Ridin', ridin', ridin', ridin', ridin', Ro...Haaaaan!"

  • @aitordominguezcomin9147
    @aitordominguezcomin9147 6 місяців тому +1

    4:50 the scene was cut because of the strong wind. The spit flew back into grimma's face so they couldnt use that angle.

  • @qdpqbp
    @qdpqbp Місяць тому

    Don't forget about the scene near the end where Aragorn comes home asking "what's for dinner" and Arwen says "Eowyn's stew" and he chokes on it so Arwen finally takes over Gondor which was the plan all along.

  • @conceptualhenry
    @conceptualhenry 5 місяців тому +3

    where is the shot at 16:18 from??

    • @MiddleEarthUpdates
      @MiddleEarthUpdates  5 місяців тому +3

      It’s was originally in the epilogue of the Retun of the King! We recently uploaded a video of that, check it out! ☺️

    • @conceptualhenry
      @conceptualhenry 5 місяців тому +1

      @@MiddleEarthUpdates thanks!

  • @jankovar5862
    @jankovar5862 2 місяці тому +1

    Great video, thanks (although Celeborn is pronounced "Keleborn") :-)

  • @igorvoloshin3406
    @igorvoloshin3406 5 місяців тому +3

    12:26 Did you know that Galadriel is grandmother of Arwen?

  • @Alexus1138
    @Alexus1138 2 місяці тому

    These vids are so so good

  • @beau6634
    @beau6634 2 місяці тому +1

    Of course the movies are masterpieces and I have to say I haven’t read the books. But everyone complained so much about rings of power lacking. Even though the other rings are almost completely left out of the first trilogy and due to a lot of cut scenes some things in the movies aren’t explained. I just rewatched the trilogy and I think the movies are good and I love the Tolkien universe but some characters stories are lacking a lot and because of cut scenes some things feel off. The battles are very well done, a great story and the movies are overall very beautifully filmed. Yes rings of power doesn’t hold up but how could it ever it’s a series instead of a movie. Rewatched the series as well and I really enjoy it and I am excited to see more this season. If the second season and the ones after that are better the haters just made fun of themselves because the first season was already good. Second season looks very promising and I’m excited to watch the first episodes tonight.

    • @beau6634
      @beau6634 2 місяці тому +1

      I just want to add that context I wish were in the movie is why the elves showed up at helm’s deep. And context about the blade that merry stepped the witch king with. I had to look it up because it isn’t explained in the movie so didn’t make sense he could be killed. And would have loved to see Arwen fight. Then of course there is other stuff like how Gríma controlled Theoden but those are the things I miss the most in the movies.

  • @fr.andygutierrez5356
    @fr.andygutierrez5356 6 місяців тому +1

    RotK video, please! Great job with putting this together

  • @occasx
    @occasx 5 місяців тому

    great work.

  • @NickyHelp
    @NickyHelp 4 місяці тому

    I looked at the movie, and I truly did see Arwen in the scene from 10:55, just as you informed.

  • @sandrakiefler4649
    @sandrakiefler4649 5 місяців тому +1

    No Fellowship of the Ring version of this video then? 🤨 or I’m an idiot and missing something (quite likely 😅)
    Love these btw!😉👍

  • @AshleighBaggins
    @AshleighBaggins 7 днів тому

    Why is Elijah so adorable that even when he’s made to look like Gollum, he’s still super cute?